The Coming Transparency Battle Over the Mueller Report
The battle over the Mueller report will pit national security, executive privilege, and privacy against the public interest in the Russia investigation.

Last Friday, special counsel Robert Mueller delivered his long-awaited report on Russian interference in the 2016 election, possible coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign, and whether President Trump obstructed the investigation. But it remains very unclear how much the public will actually get to read of the most anticipated political document in recent history.
Attorney General William P. Barr and Justice Department staff will have the task of reviewing the Mueller report to determine how much of it contains classified information, grand jury materials, sensitive law enforcement records, and other portions shielded from public release by executive privilege.
The fight over the scope and breadth of the redactions to the public version of the Mueller report will pit privacy, national security, and presidential privilege against the considerable public interest in the Russia investigation. It will play out on two fronts: the Justice Department will face off against Congress, where the House recently voted 420-0 to urge the DOJ to make the Mueller report public; and the DOJ will also have to battle private groups in federal court.
In fact, the latter fight has already begun. On Friday, the same day Mueller delivered his report to Barr, the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit seeking the report and other Special Counsel materials.
It's going to take a while
Barr's initial review could take weeks, and FOIA lawsuits can drag on for years. It will be months before EPIC's lawsuit even gets rolling, and the government is notorious for stringing out public record suits as long as it can.
The federal court system is already jammed with a record number of FOIA lawsuits against the federal government by advocacy groups and news outlets. This is a result of both news organizations' zeal for investigating the Trump administration and the regrettable fact that the only reliable way to get public records from federal agencies in a useful timeframe is to sue them. (As a general matter, the federal government should release more records proactively and not fight FOIA lawsuits tooth and nail, which would speed up the release of public records.)
There will be many, many redactions
When the public version of the Mueller report is released, expect a lot of black boxes covering "sensitive" information. Some of these redactions will be the result of executive privilege—a power that allows the White House to withhold records concerning the president and his close advisers, under the reasoning that public disclosure would chill the president's ability to receive candid advice.
Bradley Moss, an attorney in Washington, D.C., who specializes in national security and FOIA litigation, says executive privilege will most likely come into play in the sections of the Mueller report on potential obstruction of justice by Trump.
"It's going to concern the nature of discussions and interviews with the president's inner circle—people like Hope Hicks and Don McGahn—who were there when he was ranting about wanting to fire Sessions or Mueller," Moss says. "The precedents in the Nixon and Clinton cases give us some guidance, but we don't know how it will play out."
Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton's attempts to invoke executive privilege in the Watergate and Monica Lewinsky scandals, respectively, were both rejected by federal courts, which have held that executive privilege is not a blanket protection against investigations into the Oval Office. The Obama White House likewise lost a bid to use executive privilege to withhold records tied to the Fast and Furious scandal from Republican-led congressional committees.
But executive privilege is still a powerful tool. For example, the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy recently invoked executive privilege to deny a FOIA request by Reason for 33 pages of fact-sheets from various federal agencies reportedly describing the dangers of marijuana legalization.
Executive privilege, like the ever-growing executive office itself, could stand to be rolled back. In the case of the Mueller report, the relevant conversations don't concern the Cuban Missile Crisis or any existential threat to the nation, but rather the president's handlers trying to control his intemperate outbursts.
Juicy Russia information will likely be classified
Intelligence agencies routinely withhold records under a "sources and methods" exemption, which will likely cover materials in the Mueller report on Russia's efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election.
"A lot of national security information might remain classified," says Jake Laperruque, senior counsel at the Project on Government Oversight, a government watchdog group. "The 'source and methods' exemption gets applied overbroadly, but it's certainly feasible to imagine that some of the information that led Mueller to make the conclusions he did would touch on sources and methods."
Courts give wide deference to intelligence agencies in such matters, and as Laperruque noted, FOIA offices use this to their advantage to frivolously withhold records.
Any national security redactions in the Muller report should be scrutinized. Unfortunately, it takes patience, a lot of money, and a bit of luck to defeat national security exemptions in court.
Grand jury information is almost never released
Under normal circumstances, there are privacy protections for records gathered by the government on private citizens, and rightfully so. Capricious, malicious, or incompetent government investigations can ruin private citizens' reputations—not just for the main subject of investigations, but also minor figures who are caught up in them.
But courts also balance privacy protections against the public interest, and in this case the circumstances are rather extraordinary. The bigger obstacle to releasing the full Mueller report will be restrictions against releasing grand jury information.
"The degree to which Privacy Act protections could apply I think would be limited [due to law enforcement exceptions to that law]," Laperruque says. "As a broad principle, in a case like this government has to balance privacy against efforts to report or inform the public. A main item that would be sealed are grand jury materials. A lot of fact-finding occurs through that, and those are not necessarily open to public disclosure."
Federal courts have on rare occasions released grand jury information, but the fact that the Mueller report did not conclude that Trump obstructed justice, or that the Trump campaign "colluded" with Russia, weighs heavily against disclosure.
In his four-page letter summarizing the Mueller report, Barr noted the restrictions on releasing grand jury information "protects the integrity of grand jury proceedings and ensures that the unique and invaluable investigative powers of a grand jury are used strictly for their intended criminal justice function."
The government's unfettered power to investigate potential crimes demands strong skepticism of the government's claims, and strong protections for the reputations of those investigated but never charged or convicted.
Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) tweeted along similar lines today: "Whether it relates to Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, or Jussie Smollett, it's inappropriate for a prosecutor to declare someone not exonerated. Either prosecute or don't, but the burden of proof is on the government."
The public can rest assured, though, that the Justice Department will likely be extremely vigilant in applying all the relevant exemptions it can to the Mueller report.
Moss says he expects the Justice Department "is going to take a broader view in the beginning, and then there will be negotiation back and forth to see how much they can ultimately agree to make public."
It will be up to transparency advocates and the public to see how much of the report they can claw back.
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It has been so enjoyable the past few days watching #TrumpRussia denialists pretend they've been vindicated. The Glenn Greenwalds of the world refuse to admit how badly they botched this story. Fortunately there are still plenty of serious journalists like Rachel Maddow who have emerged looking better than ever.
The walls are closing in.
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Is this a redo?
The anti-Trumpers are still bitterly clinging to their belief that Mueller would make the Bad Orange Man go away. They spent more than two years hysterically building expectations for the report, but it fizzled on delivery. It's their worst blow since Hillary's loss and it will take time to for them to deal with this new grief.
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Someone took their hot take pills this morning.
That was actually a pretty fun take. Well done Homple . Made me laugh
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will you employ Mexicans, too? If you want in on the Reason Intersectional Games, you can't be halfway in.
Meanwhile, the Trump cultists are still making any excuse to defend the guy. I would think transparency would be in EVERYONE's interest, especially if it "exonerates" him fully as he says.
The fact that McConnell and Graham are in full-out, dick-waving triumph mode says that the report doesn't have anything new or shocking. These two aren't Trump, they calculate before they celebrate.
The Republicans will have Barr deliberately sit on it until the media works itself into another frenzy, and the Dems start up the impeachment talk again, and then they'll release it.
Time and time again this administration has baited the media and the Dems in this way, and yet they still fall for it.
The government shoudn't be allowed to have any secrets whatsoever, so the question of something as silly as the Mueller report is an easy one. It should already be published and free to anyone to review. Obviously.
It's going to be so heavily redacted it will inspire a mini JFK-like conspiracy industry.
Directed by Oliver Stone
So should the FISA warrant application.
There is a lot of information the public have no right to see including information on anyone who is not indicted and has had information collect as part of the investigation. This includes Trump and his family. I imaging Mueller has collected a lot of information on Trump, especially since they raided Cohen's office and absolutely violated attorney/client privilege.
There will be a hell of a lot of unproven here say evidence from testimony extorted from the many witnesses interviewed which contains unsubstantiated and unproven accusations. People will say anything to save their own skins.
The public has absolutely no right to see any of the above if it is unproven
Any information about Trump's personal finance is also off limits unless it is found Trump has committed some financial crime, and since Mueller has not indicted Trump on any such crime, then clearly the public has no right to see this information any more than your next door neighbour has the right to see how much you pay in taxes or how much you earn.
I trust Barr will redact any information the public or Congress do not have the right to see, and I know Congress will continue to say Trump and Barr are trying to hide stuff from them.
impeach hillary now.
Her time is coming, believe me. Now that the Mueller investigation is over, the Dems can no longer cry that Trump is trying to deflect attention from the probe or scream about interfering or obstructing because he is pushing for a separate investigation into the Clinton foundation or any of her many other crimes.
Trump now has free reign to launch havoc on Clinton, Obama, Brennan and all the other pond life who nearly destroyed America and would have completed America's destruction is HRC has won the election.
The next 2 years are going to be very interesting.
You might be the most ignorant dumbfuck here, compounding your stupidity by deciding to state this nonsense so that others may observe your lack of comprehension. Guys like you haven't been this much fun since the birther days.
For clingers, the next two years will be largely the same as the preceding 70 years ? whining and ranting inconsequentially while getting stomped in the culture war. And getting two years closer to being replaced.
Two mysteries about the Barr summary, which seems to read as a whitewash to buy some time:
What begins the quoted sentence that declares the Trumps clear of conspiracy charges?
Why did he put "not exonerated" in there? Some people with lawyer brains speculate that Mueller found that the president was highly indictable on obstruction of justice except for the fact that he's president.
Close reading of this whitewash document indicates far more damning information to come, but the best Barr could do was set the media narrative for "weeks, not months" as he further scours the papers.
Of course the Starr report was released in its entirety, grand jury stuff and all.
"Why did he put "not exonerated" in there?"
Because neither Mueller nor Bar want to admit that after 2 years and $$millions, they came up with exactly squat.
Donald Trump, known to every New Yorker as a world-class grifter, obviously must be pure as fresh snow angels. Why? Because of that (R) after his name of course. No (R) has ever done anything bad like invade the wrong country or torture people or Watergate or Iran-Contra or Russiagate or Savings and Loan.
Relevance, Tony, relevance. Focus.
You are asking too much from so little.
Is that what you tell your girlfriends?
Different rules applied to the Starr report. Do your homework, please.
Different rules applied to the Starr report. Do your homework, please.
Tony, if there's no crime, there was nothing to obstruct.
You can't be 'obstructing' when you came out and told the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth from the very first--'Trump DID NOT collude with Russia'.
Done.
There's nothing, no underlying crime that's indictable, so there's no 'obstruction'.
Let's come to a common understanding that Russia very much did try to collude with them and did interfere in the election in the ways reported. Glenn Greenwald can't get there, but surely we can.
Now we'll just wait for the actual report to see what's in it. The Barr summary, when picked apart, is a whitewash, probably. Which is probably why he was hired.
""Let's come to a common understanding that Russia very much did try to collude with them and did interfere in the election in the ways reported. "'
That common understanding as you call it is just your partisan hackery. There was NO interference in the election. Unless you think silly facebook memes constitute interference. I bet you can't find one person, not one who says they decided to vote for Trump based on those memes.
The Barr report states Mueller found no evidence of Russian collusion and Trump.
The barr report actually states the trump campaign turned down Russian proposals.
""Let's come to a common understanding that Russia very much did try to collude with them and did interfere in the election in the ways reported. "'
That common understanding as you call it is just your partisan hackery. There was NO interference in the election. Unless you think silly facebook memes constitute interference. I bet you can't find one person, not one who says they decided to vote for Trump based on those memes.
The Barr report states Mueller found no evidence of Russian collusion and Trump.
Actually, to be fair, sending armies of trolls into our social media to set people off against one another, is extremely damaging to our civil discourse, and has absolutely contributed to the increased perception of division and animosity in our society.
Granted there are plenty of Americans who like to troll and pick people's scabs and stir the pot (I know I do sometimes), but even most of those people have limits, and the understanding that when shit actually gets real, we are all on the same team. Having people come along behind that (relatively) good natured trolling, with more serious, hateful and divisive rhetoric that takes the conversation to a genuinely bad place, does MASSIVE damage to our ability as citizens to participate in our civil discourse and share our perspectives in good faith.
I think the witch hunt is as stupid as anyone. But it would be stupid to ignore our very real enemies, and the harm they intend us.
Armies? That seem to be overstating it. It wasn't that many.
But yes, Russia has been engaging this kind of trolling for probably better than a decade and not just here in the US.
Russia is like the silly uncle that says shit to the kids to get them all fired up. We are the kids.
However, the best cure is for us to stop being kids and quit believing shit we see on social media and quit trying to be agents of division.
The Russians can't divide us without our help. We are so invested in the us vs them game that people will rail on people who vote for a third party. We are doing this shit to ourselves.
Russia just acts as a bellow, we are the fire. We can inoculate ourselves from Russian trolls. That's the conversation we should be having.
Russia has spent far more on anti energy groups I'm the US to protest energy development here. Far greater reaching than pro trump memes. Tony is silent on those though.
I'm fine with countering Russian influence on US policy in any context. The question is, are Republicans?
Russia going along and people in Trump's campaign going along with that are two different things. The summary mentions Russians offering help; it also says no collusion occurred.
It's a bit silly to believe that the summary would contradict what's in the full report.
Tony still thinks 25 million in random Facebook ads beats 1 billion spent by Hillary. You are a fucking stupid person Tony.
Anyone perpetuating one of the anti-Hillary lies is living, breathing evidence that the propaganda campaign was a success.
You wouldn't have participated in any of that behavior, I'm sure.
By the way dumb fuck Tony... do you remember what the media did pounce on? Manafort banking records which forced Manafort from the campaign. It is now being investigated that Ukraine dumped these to friendly media to help Hillary. This had a bigger media reaction than Russia.
Turned out to be friendly to Trump too though. Manafort wasn't in the campaign long enough to really taint it. And as innocent as Manafort might be of collusion, you know he was going to try to monetize his connection with Trump as much as he could. The fact he was out well before the election probably saved Trump a lot of grief.
yeah, you definitely don't have a JD.
Actually, whether there was a real crime or not someone can still obstruct investigations into the possible crime!...The thing is that obstruction is usually witness tampering, destroying of evidence, perjury to forcing or threatening other to lie for you, etc...In other words what HidaBeast did in her e-mail scandal...Trump did NONE of those things & as Barr concluded there was no obstruction of justice....Alas, Horse-Face Mueller should've easily concluded the same! I think he just wanted to throw a bone to his longtime LIB DC Swamp Critters!
HOT TAKE PLOT TWIST!!!
God-Emperor Trump, in his evil infinite genius, concocted a plan with Barr to gaslight the left into giving him the 2020 election.
He specifically told Barr to write his report in such a way that it counts the decision over obstruction back to the Democratically controlled Congress, knowing full well that the closest thing to obstruction that our beloved God-Emperor could be accused of, is righteous indignation in correctly calling the Deep State's partisan witch hunt against him by it's true name.
That's the only conclusion I can come up with. Given how fully Trump's adversaries have invested themselves into his extra-democratic removal from office by any means necessary, they literally can't ignore that opening without enraging the Trump Derangement Syndrome-afflicted base that they themselves created through their demagoguery, even if they know for a fact that co tongued investigation is a dead end. The hard left now has to either back off - admitting that their whole play has been a sham all along, or double down, and alienate literally every person in this country whose politics sit to the right of Nancy Pelosi.
Seriously. Trump has played the left so hard, that Nancy frickin' Pelosi is now the "stable voice of reason" for the Democratic Party. That is how badly our God-Emperor has outmaneuvered the deep state now, and beaten them at their own game.
Where is my popcorn?
"Close reading of this whitewash document indicates far more damning information to come"
The distinguishing feature of a conspiracy theory is not the specifics of the beliefs it requires, but that contradictory information is integrated into the theory as support. The model grows as necessary to cover doubts and preserve the ego of the theorist.
When I have questions, someone is guilty!
And I have a bunch of fucking questions!
"What begins the quoted sentence that declares the Trumps clear of conspiracy charges?"
Something something instead of "HE's FUCKING GUILTY", like he should have.
"Why did he put "not exonerated" in there?"
Because he's so fucking guilty you can't even say it! That's why!
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Not exonerated for obstructing an apparently baseless Trump-Putin collusion investigation? (This was not a Russian meddling investigation -- we know, they know, we meddle in their affairs, they meddle in ours. Those saying Mueller proved the "Russians"* meddled are actually backing up the goalpost. The goal was collusion.)
If an investigation is baseless but backed by political animus, not wanting to obstruct it would be suspicious behaviour, would it not?
*The possibilities in "Russian" meddling (which I think failed more often than succeeded) could included pro-Putin, anti-Putin, pro-Trump, anti-Trump, or random Ukrainian anarchists or anti-Kremlin activitists sowing confusion for confusion sake.
Shockingly poor journalism from C.J. There are specific rules regarding the contents of reports from special prosecutors, which changed from the Nixon days to the Clinton day. C.J. makes not even passing mention of them. More Reason TDS dressed up as a "transparency" issue. So happy I'm not actually paying for any Reason subscription.
With the report now the resistors have nothing and will have to find a good candidate or something. Maybe the Cortex girl will be the Dem candidate.
While stupid enough... she's not old enough. Too bad transagism isnt a thing yet.
there are those on the alt-right screaming nothingburger as they have from the beginning, and the rachel maddow crowd who are no doubt disappointed with Barr's summary. As always, until we see the report, it's hard to draw non-trivial conclusions. Both sides should support transparency.
""Both sides should support transparency."'
I agree. And since we know a questionable, unverified document was used in a FISA court application, we should pop that wide open too. They should not be allowed to hide behind a methods exposure argument because the methods themselves are in question.
we should probably investigate benghazi after that a couple dozen more times.
Time for Republicans to get serious and conduct an omnibus birth certificate-Benghazi-Hillary-Vince Foster-moon landing-Pizzagate-fluoridation-evolution-sharia law investigation.
These dumbfucks deserve everything they've been forced to swallow in the culture war and every bit of what is coming to them on the way to their replacement.
What's hilarious is that alt right groups the media have hated for 2 years are all in the Yang Gang now and the media is silent.
We kinda know alot of it already. We know Manafort was found by a judge to have lied about giving polling data to his Russian govt connected sidekick. We know Mueller described it "as going to the heart of the matter". We know the story on Manafort and Russian money. We know Trump was swearing no one in his campaign had any "contacts" with the Russian govt. But now we know that was a lie. And Trump was lying when he said he had no business interests in Russia. I think Trump saw Russia as a chance to make money. I think he saw Putin as a like minded political ally. I think Trump was very aware that Russia was helping him in the election. I think Trump was on edge of a criminal conspiracy and I think the report will prove that even more clearly once we see it after Trump leaves office.
What's clear is that more info is needed. What's not clear to me is whether Trump is intelligent enough to have conducted a conspiracy of this alleged sort successfully.
It wasn't necessary to involve Trump in the actual Russian plots to hack. You wouldn't find a connection there. The Russians aren't going to involve him or any Americans in something like that. Take what Papadopoulos did. He says he found out about a Russian connected professor who claimed Russia had Hillary's emails. Papadopoulos met with that guy multiple times and he was encouraged by Trump to pursue the alliance. But that was the end it. Papadopoulos didn't get the emails and the professor has not been seen since. The Russians were not going to make it easy for the FBI. I bet the Russians pulled that professor back because he was too close to Trump. There's a badass story behind all of this.
it certainly is suspicious how pretty much everyone involved lied about their contact with various Russian nationals during and after the campaign.
That doesn't prove coordination or conspiracy, but it certainly makes them seem guilty.
Carter Page didn't lie.
And he was the one they supposedly had the most dirt on. He was the only one they manufactured enough evidence to get a FISA warrant for and he was as clean as a whistle.
sorry - was referring to the myriad trump admin officials and trump himself.
Full retard.
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Did anyone actually read the Barr letter where he said he is going to leave it up to Mueller and his team to decide what can be released in accordance with the law?
After citing the statute that says Grand Jury material cannot be released he says Mueller's team will decide what Grand Jury material that can't be released by statute is, and any material that would hinder any of the prosecutions still I'm progress:
"Given these restrictions, the schedule for processing the report depends in part on how quickly the Department can identify the 6(e) material that by law cannot be made public. I have requested the assistance of the Special Counsel in identifying all 6(e) information contained in the report as quickly as possible. Separately, I also must identify any information that could impact other ongoing matters, including those that the Special Counsel has referred to other offices."
Speaking of transparency Trump needs to order all FBI interrogations be recorded, at least if they are going to be the basis of a lying to the FBI charge.
The perjury trap is not a legitimate prosecutorial tool. If someone lies that's fair game, if someone is manipulated into a false statement, let the jury hear the whole conversation and decide for themselves.
I would expect the same transparency we saw in the Hillary Clinton e-mail investigation, in other words none.
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What an unnecessary, wasteful, partisan, ridiculous, cynical, shit show this whole banana republic investigation was.
And the damage this has done poisoning minds pushing people into a conspiratorial corner will be felt for a long time to come.
Hurl your rotten vegetables to all the unsavoury actors who played a part in this poorly thought out and executed theatre production.
i'm sorry, how did you get a copy of the report before everyone else?
Maybe Rufus is someone on the inside, and therefore might know what he is talking about?
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What to call this? Maybe it's a point of order. How is that Barr, a political appointee in the executive branch, has any power whatever to determine what the Congress, a co-equal branch of government, can and cannot see?
For all of those talking about grand jury rules, and necessary redactions, why would any of that apply to confidential hearings in Congress? In short, on what principle can anyone claim a power to prevent Congress from seeing the whole report and all its exhibits right now?
To be honest, I just dropped in to watch OP make an ass of himself again, but found SL has taken over the role of self-admitted asses:
Stephen Lathrop
March.29.2019 at 4:05 pm
"What to call this? Maybe it’s a point of order. How is that Barr, a political appointee in the executive branch, has any power whatever to determine what the Congress, a co-equal branch of government, can and cannot see?"
To make it clear to fucking idiots like you, there are rules which govern who gets to see what. You may not like them, but nobody gives a shit what you like.
"For all of those talking about grand jury rules, and necessary redactions, why would any of that apply to confidential hearings in Congress? In short, on what principle can anyone claim a power to prevent Congress from seeing the whole report and all its exhibits right now?"
Once more: To make it clear to fucking idiots like you, there are rules which govern who gets to see what. You may not like them, but nobody gives a shit what you like.
Even a cave man can figure that out; give it a try. Lathrop, perhaps you *might* be equal to the job.
Oh, and you lost, loser. Grow up.
In the Office of Inspector General Report on Operation Fast and Furious and other matters, we got a redacted report (cases were still being adjudicated) and a less redacted OIG OFF Report (after a few cases were adjudicated).
No full interviewing of Dennis Burke (architect of the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban who was in charge in Arizona during OWR and OFF) because he resigned and declined to be interviewed further. (The OIG had complained of "demonstrably inaccurate information provided by Burke".)
No release of the HQ papers requested by the OFF investigating committee.
But Democrats are champions of full transparency on the Mueller Report. Ha! They know there can be no full un-redacted release because reasons. Like the KIRK cartoon on the Green New Deal: "Promise your base stuff that has no chance .... then blame the other party ..."