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George Conway's Spat With Donald Trump Illustrates Psychiatry's Pernicious Influence on the Debate About the President's Fitness

Is Trump suffering from "narcissistic personality disorder"?

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This week George Conway, a Republican lawyer and prominent critic of Donald Trump who happens to be married to presidential adviser Kellyanne Conway, diagnosed the president with "narcissistic personality disorder." Trump responded by calling Conway "a total loser," then, upon reflection, a "stone cold LOSER & husband from hell!"

It is tempting to conclude that Conway was the winner of this exchange. His insult was certainly more detailed, and it seemed more sophisticated as well, relying on the supposedly scientific authority of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). But the spat illustrates psychiatry's pernicious influence on the debate about Trump's fitness for the presidency, in which his opponents often try to medicalize their political judgments by portraying his words and actions as symptoms of a mental illness.

Conway is by no means the first Trump critic to notice that the president seems to fit the diagnostic criteria for narcissistic personality disorder, which include grandiosity, attention seeking, self-centeredness, "exaggerated self-appraisal," condescension, feelings of entitlement, lack of empathy, and relationships that are "largely superficial and exist to serve self-esteem regulation." This week Conway retweeted a comment to that effect from Duty to Warn, "an association of mental health professionals warning Trump is psychologicallly unfit," whose members recently published an updated version of their 2017 book The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump.

What is gained from saying Donald Trump has a mental disorder, as opposed to saying Donald Trump displays a bunch of unattractive personal qualities that tend to go together? The substance of the two statements is exactly the same, since the diagnosis is based on nothing more than the collection of traits. But the former statement implies that people who do not like Trump have medical science on their side, which gives their opinions an aura of authority. It also implies that Trump is dangerously unhinged and cannot help himself, which lends support to the argument that he must removed from office through extraordinary means rather than the judgment of voters—who, after all, put him there in the first place, even though he had been displaying the "symptoms" of this "mental disorder" for years.

"Don't assume that the things he says and does are part of a rational plan or strategy, because they seldom are," Conway wrote on Twitter. "Consider them as a product of his pathologies, and they make perfect sense." He added that "*all* Americans should be thinking seriously *now* about Trump's mental condition and psychological state, including and especially the media, Congress—and the Vice President and Cabinet." Comments like that suggest impeachment or invocation of the 25th Amendment would be preferable to awaiting the outcome of the 2020 election.

"This is just my way of expressing my views about something I find thoroughly maddening, which is the utter incompetence and mendacity of the president and the administration," Conway told The New York Times. But by invoking the DSM, Conway is not just expressing his views about the president and his administration. He is suggesting that the president's scientifically validated mental incapacity makes it reckless to let voters decide whether he should remain in office.

Unlike Conway, I am not willing to let Trump off the hook by attributing the outrageous things he says and does to an unverifiable defect in his brain. Furthermore, I am still inclined to think his antics are doing all of us a favor by undermining respect for the presidency and making the case for reining in the executive branch. Maybe I am wrong. But the answer cannot be found in the DSM.

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150 responses to “George Conway's Spat With Donald Trump Illustrates Psychiatry's Pernicious Influence on the Debate About the President's Fitness

  1. “Duty to Warn, “an association of mental health professionals warning Trump is psychologicallly unfit,” whose members recently published an updated version of their 2017 book The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump.”

    I bet they’ll never vote Republican again!

    1. Even if Trump were all that, the claimants are retarded. The proof: They worry about Twitter posts.

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  2. “This is just my way of expressing my views about something I find thoroughly maddening, which is the utter incompetence and mendacity of the president and the administration,” Conway told The New York Times.

    I do believe the man has just self-diagnosed his own case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    1. is that what callous white males call people who are legitimately concerned about trump, because, you know, empathy isn’t cool?

      1. There’s legitimate concern and then there’s hysteria and hyperbole.

        1. if you’re more concerned with MSNBC hyperbole than you are with Trump, i’d say your judgement is poor.

          1. Fuck off, Hihn

          2. “i’d say your judgement is poor”

            What are you, a fucking psychologist?

      2. Fuck off and die, hihn

        1. cute. it’s angry. what else can it do?

          1. Create sockpuppets of itself?

            1. so you alt-right types have a fetish for some dude named michael hihn, cuckoldry, and sock puppets? anything else i should be aware of, D?

              1. velcro – binder clip = bumper sticker!!!!

            2. Can it let me off the hook? I’m getting tired.

  3. Narcissists are people, too.

    1. It’s a spectrum.

    2. “Narcissistic personality disorder” is AKA being an asshole!!! It doesn’t need destigmatized or treated medically; it needs to be verbally condemned, banned, shunned, and discriminated against! If it causes criminal actions (where “crime” is defined reasonably, and not merely as “hurting my baby feelings), it needs to be punished criminally!

      To hell with medicalizing everything!!!!

      1. where’d you get your Psych degree?

        1. Do we need a Psych degree to be allowed to oppose having the Universe run by shrinks?!

          Where did you get your degree in composition and literature, that you should be allowed to write comments here?

          (Not that I am trying to stigmatize you; My shrink has FORBIDDEN me to stigmatize ANYONE, up to and including mass murderers!!! They can ALL be cured, given that we allocate enough tax money to the shrinks!!!!)

          1. making heterodox clams counter to the consensus of experts? then you should have some sort of relevant education on the subject matter to be viewed as credible. surely you understand that, trashley?

            1. Appeal to Authority.

              1. ahhh. sounds like you just wrapped up your first logic and argumentation class – good luck in college.

                Informal appeals to authority informally are valid, perfectly fine arguments. It’s only fallacious when you say A is necessarily true because an authority said so.

                So, saying “global warming MUST be caused by human beings because 98% of the experts say so” = fallacious reasoning.

                but if i said, “the fact that 98% of experts believe that global warming is caused by humans means that it probably is caused by humans,” i’ve made a perfectly valid, informal argument.

                1. I earned my undergraduate degree in Psychology from the University of Texas at Austin and my PhD from the University of Calcutta. My current post-doctoral program is run by the University of Bern although I am not local to them.

                  What can I help you with?

                  1. He’s a lost cause. Jack him up with SSRIs and lock him away

                    1. If “hayek > friedman” is bipolar, especially if he-she-it is bipolar with strong tendencies towards mania, then SSRIs is the LAST thing that one typically wants to add on top of a mood stabilizer!!! In that case, there is an EXCELLENT chance that SSRIs will fuel the mania!!!

                      It’s a dicey thing sometimes with the hit-and-miss of the meds, and despite my anger at the incompetent and power-hungry shrinks who love to play over-paid “trolls under the bridge”, demanding payments for your “access” to the meds, I do wish the shrinks (as a group containing the good, the bad, and the indifferent) good luck in their quests to “heal”! Not wishing then good luck in gathering more power… Except just for the power to “heal” the willing!

                  2. Should the experts of expertology be automatically entitled to run society? Keep in mind that Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, and Pol Pot were eminent experts in practical, everyday, applied authoritarianism…

                    Is it just absolutely horrible to “stigmatize” those with “Narcissistic personality disorder” and call them the assholes that they are? Does psychology recognize a thing called “free will”, and fully contemplate that some people willing, freely, and with malice and arrogance to boot, chose to be “afflicted” with “Narcissistic personality disorder”?

                  3. “Narcissistic personality disorder” is AKA being an asshole!!! It doesn’t need destigmatized or treated medically; it needs to be verbally condemned, banned, shunned, and discriminated against! If it causes criminal actions (where “crime” is defined reasonably, and not merely as “hurting my baby feelings), it needs to be punished criminally!

                    To hell with medicalizing everything!!!!” – is any of this true?

                    1. Is beauty good or bad? Is pleasure good or bad? Is pain good or bad? Death? Life? Destruction? Chaos? Badness? Halitosis? Whale lice? Parasites in general? Entrophy, malice, benevolence, Love, creativity, imagination?

                      Can you prove ANYTHING true or false, other than 2 + 2 = 4? Keep in mind that even mathematics cannot prove itself true or false; ALL is either “value judgments” at the end of the day, or, if even vaguely provable true or false, then is usually ethically-morally meaningless! AND based on fundamental assumptions to begin with! What meaning do YOU assign to the assumed truth of 2 + 2 = 4?

          2. Squirrely One:

            I completely agree.

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        2. Fuck off, Hihn.

          1. hi, Sevo. mom make the good meatloaf today?

            1. His mom makes meatloaf?

              Awesome!!

              You are clearly upset that yours only makes 5 dollars giving handies.

              1. oh clever. you implied my mother is a prostitute. dug deep on that one, eh?

                1. Your mother is a prostitute? Can you prove this to us, to be either true or false?

  4. First of all, if we prevented narcisists from working in the government, there would be no one to run it. Byond that, Conway is a guy who has spent the last three years using his wife’s position in one desparate plea for attention after another. Yet, we are assured it is Trump who is the narcissist.

    And I am still inclined to think reason’s antics are doing all of us a favor by undermining respect for the media and making the case for reining in the media and the Washington media in particular. . Maybe I am wrong. But the answer cannot be found in the DSM.

  5. It is tempting to conclude that Conway was the winner of this exchange. His insult was certainly more detailed, and it seemed more sophisticated as well, relying on the supposedly scientific authority of the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

    While the DSM has its controversies, a lawyer pulling a diagnosis out of it isn’t one of them. That’s why when a babbling homeless person shows up in the ER, they don’t call a lawyer to come in and evaluate him.

    1. That is exactly what the DSM predicts someone with a personality disorder would say.

      1. ^ This. Psychiatry is bullshit, a fake and un/dis (whatever)provable “science.” I believe we all have our individual psychology, but putting people in boxes, and the DSM, are absolute bullshit. That’s why it took so long to come out with DSM 5; it’s all up for a vote of the fake science “experts” in the room. THAT’S retarded.

        It is a highly abused bunch of crap.

        1. Right, there are legitimate mental problems, some of them even treatable with drugs, but the psychiatry profession is so completely politicized it’s become a joke.

          Mostly in the sense of all the mental illnesses that stopped being illnesses because the Democrats wanted their votes…

    2. With how politicized the DSM has become, it is rapidly spending its respect capital.

      1. I suspect that If every lay person pulled diagnoses out of the ICD 10 handbook, it would get politicized pretty quickly too.

      2. It doesn’t have any respect capital, it’s currently burning through its respect borrowing power.

  6. “Conway is by no means the first Trump critic to notice that the president seems to fit the diagnostic criteria for narcissistic personality disorder, which include grandiosity, attention seeking, self-centeredness, “exaggerated self-appraisal,” condescension, feelings of entitlement, lack of empathy, and relationships that are “largely superficial and exist to serve self-esteem regulation.”

    That “diagnostic critieria” also fits Barack Obama to exactly the same extent.

    1. It fits Obama exactly to every extent. But that is different because reasons.

      1. Yah… So between Obama and Trump who is the one who decorates their buildings with their own name in giant gold lettering ?

        1. Did Obama develop any buildings?

          Trump says he puts his name on his buildings (and other real estate developments) as a guarantee of quality. He’s putting his name on the line, so to speak. If you are unimpressed with one of his buildings or golf courses, you have no doubt who to fault if the name is in giant gold lettering on the front.

    2. Gilbert Martin: “i don’t like Obama because he’s black, and 2 years after he’s gone, i’m still playing the ‘what about’ card”

      – fixed it for you.

      1. Yeah, thinking a guy who was famous for using “I” in nearly every sentence is a narcissist is just racist!!!

        You called it dude

        And shut the fuck up Hihn. No one cares what you think about anything.

        1. don’t know who hihn is

          “Yeah, thinking a guy who was famous for using “I” in nearly every sentence is a narcissist is just racist!!!” – [missing citation]

          stand by my original remark. you little boys always get so butthurt when people point out your prejudice.

          1. You are just a troll sock puppet. Go troll somewhere else.

            1. listen, son. i’m a libertarian, and i’m disappointed that a libertarian site has a comment board full of alt-right little boys. I’m going to continue to make fun of you and others, because it’s a.) justified, and b.) entertaining. If you don’t like it, i don’t know what to tell you. Be better?

              1. Wait you’re making fun of people?

                Why are you hiding behind a sock then?

                Have some balls.

                1. you people and your socks. i know that’s where you guys normally leave your swimmers, but outside of this, i’m not getting the reference.

              2. Seconded. I wish all these alt-right people could either just go back to fox or at least offer more commentary with a little bit of substance.

          2. hayek > friedman|3.20.19 @ 3:02PM|#
            “don’t know who hihn is”

            Fuck off, Hihn. No one is fooled by your pathetic socks.

            1. socks? son, when you try to talk while angry, you end up sounding really dumb often. Like, you might say the same thing over and over again thinking it has an effect that isn’t entertaining.

              1. “when you try to talk while angry, you end up sounding really dumb often.”

                Ahahahahhaha ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER? DO YOU SPEAK IT!!!!!

                AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAJA!#!!!?

                1. see above about anger and perception.

          3. “don’t know who hihn is”

            Hihn, you’re so fucking old and senile that this is actually true.

        2. Hahahaaaaaahaha.

          Obama and Trump vs. everyone else
          On two key dimensions, Obama and Trump look similar ? and stand in marked contrast to all other presidents.

          First, their rhetoric is much more self-referential, meaning it uses more first-person pronouns. Obama’s rhetoric is 69 percent more self-referential than the presidential average, and Trump exceeds Obama by another 20 percent.

          Trump employs almost 50 percent more first-person pronouns than the second most heavily self-referential president after Obama, Gerald Ford. Trump’s rhetoric is twice as self-referential as the postwar presidential average.

          1. i think you’re trying to cite a source. you almost got there.

          2. There is no citation to that. No one cares Hihn. You crazy bastard.

            1. this Hihn person sound like s/he really pushes your buttons. You keep mentioning that name. Ex Lover?

              1. Michael Hihn is a longtime libertarian activist who is frustrated with today’s libertarians who aren’t smart enough to listen to his proposals, like supporting common sense gun safety legislation.

                In what was probably a mistake, Reason.com seems to have banned him. I hope he gets reinstated.

                #UnbanMichaelHihn

                1. there are libertarians here?

                2. Hihn wouldn’t recognize “common sense” gun safety legislation if it bit him in the ass.

              2. hayek > friedman|3.20.19 @ 3:11PM|#
                “this Hihn person sound like s/he really pushes your buttons. You keep mentioning that name. Ex Lover?”

                Fuck off, Hihn.

                1. hi Sevo. You seem especially angry today. have you considered therapy?

                  1. Fuck off, Hihn.

                    1. i’m curious how much time you will spend copying and pasting that. do you ever try to make substantive comments?

                    2. You mean like

                      “when you try to talk while angry, you end up sounding really dumb often. ”

                      Lolololl

                      #givingyouatitleIXviolation

                    3. oh i see. are you unfamiliar with the constraints surrounding informal and formal speech. Like, if you expected a blog conversation to be written in the same prose as a dissertation, that would be really dumb. You get that, right?

                      “#givingyouatitleIXviolation” – i’m guessing the ladies cover their drinks when you arrive at parties.

      2. Lame. So we must be racist to not like Obama? Nothing to do with his stupid socialist-lite big govt policies?

        1. well, if your first comment on an article about the current sitting president, who has been in office for 2+ years now, is “what about Obama?” – people are gonna wonder. Same with the people who are still going on about Hillary’s emails. Same with the people who were still complaining about W Bush well into Obama’s term.

          “So we must be racist to not like Obama?” – c’mon, boy, be better than obvious straw men.

          1. The point was the people claiming it about Trump never said a word about Obama despite it applying just as well to him. That is pretty strong evidence these people are just political hacks.

            Come back when you are capable of understanding logic and deductive reasoning. Your stupidity is highly offensive.

            1. yeah, no we got that point. It was as huge “whataboutism” and AFAIK, presidents aren’t normally accused of NPD, not just narcissism, but a personality disorder.

              As others have pointed out, all politicians have elements of narcissism. That’s nothing new. What’s different here is that Conway is accusing trump of NPD. So besides the original point being a huge “what about benghazi,” it wasn’t even correct.

              1. Everything you have said was already clear. You are boring, and an asshole.

                1. you are a colossal douchebag

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          2. Well, the Democrats were still going “What about Bush?” in Obama’s 7th year in office.

            1. yes, and it was stupid when they did that. Just like your comment, because it was also a “whataboutism.”

              1. I’m sorry you’re butthurt that your lightbringer fares poorly in comparison.

                Cry more about it.

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      3. D- troll grade for you.

        1. wicked burn, son.

          1. Fuck off, Hihn.

            1. hey what’soffthefuk?

              1. Fuck off, Hihn.

                1. hey what’soffthefuk?

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                    1. oh, you white trash types. I like Sevo better. More consistent. Less insecure.

    3. That’s not even remotely true. He has his shortcomings, but narcissism is not among them.

    4. It fits practically anyone egotistical enough to run for the presidency. It’s embodied in the famous phrase “no one who can be elected to the presidency should ever be allowed to have the job”.

      You need a large measure of arrogance to look at this post, far too large for any human to fill, and thing “I can do this”.

      1. Ya, I was going to say, how is this different than any president, or probably even any high-ranking member of Congress?

  7. It would be easier to count the politicians who do not have narcissism as their defining personality trait.

    1. there’s narcissism as a personality trait, and narcissism to the extent that it’s a full-blown personality disorder. I believe the latter is what Conway is alleging in regard to trump.

      1. Most politicians are disordered personalities. It tends to attract such.

        1. [citation missing]

          1. [brain missing]
            Fuck off, Hihn.

            1. whoah, zing!

              1. [brain still missing]
                Fuck off, Hihn.

                1. cuts me deep, sevo. it really does. you, nincompoop dumbface blunderbuss, you. **shakes fist ironically**

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      2. Yeah, seriously, only a deranged person would say something like this: “I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m gonna think I’m a better political director than my political director.”

        No, I’d say most of the people in higher level politics are well into personality disorder territory, except for one thing: Psychiatrists now follow a rule that, if you can keep it under control enough to lead a normal life, you’re not nuts even if you do think you’re a 4 year my little pony in a 50 year old man’s body.

        Presidents and members of Congress are high functioning nutjobs, which means they’re officially NOT nutjobs.

    2. I think a one handed man with no fingers could count the total

  8. Of course he has a narcissistic personality. Show me one president since the start of the television era that didn’t have a narcissistic personality. Under the system we use for elections these days, it’s become a job requirement.

    Trump may be an uncivil boor but Conway’s an idiot if he thinks that counts as an insult to a modern politician.

  9. Drumpf is an intelligence asset of a hostile foreign power and is literally turning this country into a combination of Nazi Germany and The Handmaid’s Tale. All decent people should want him removed from office by any legal means available.

    Ideally, Robert Mueller will soon deliver incontrovertible proof of Russian collusion and the #BlueTsunami House will #Impeach. If that somehow fails to happen, the next best option is to have Drumpf declared mentally unfit. Conway is absolutely right to begin laying the groundwork for this approach.

    1. #LibertariansForConway
      #(TheHusbandNotTheWife)

    2. **yawn**

      1. You have to be particularly brain-damaged to re-use a sock which you’ve admitted was one of your crowded lot of them, and then claim it isn’t.
        Anyone of even normal intelligence would have the sense to be embarrassed; not you. Hihn, there are very few people here as fucking stupid as you.
        Fuck off, Hihn.

        1. oh really. tell me more about what you think, son?

          1. Hihn would have narcissistic personality disorder, but he only refers to DSMs written in 1789.

            1. did this Hihn guy leave egg on Sevo’s face or something? I recently was told it refers to a Michael Hihn – googled his name. He has some bush-league looking blog that i determined wasn’t worth reading. How could you guys possibly that upset about some nobody?

              1. It isn’t worth reading, but you immortalized my name on your enemies list.

                1. that doesn’t make you sound like a creepy old dude at all. nope.

              2. “did this Hihn guy leave egg on Sevo’s face or something? ”

                Nah he just splattered incoherent stupidity everywhere between bouts of fugue.

                It’s why people think you’re him.

                1. so you alt right trash types ganged up on michael and now any libertarian lurkers here are also michael? I was expecting the inside joke to be better. now that i know how the sausage is made, i’m underwhelmed.

  10. “It is tempting to conclude that Conway was the winner of this exchange. ”

    Huh? Pretty sure one guy is president and the other is not

    1. 50 bucks says KAC calls out Trump’s name in bed, and another 50 says her husband requests it

  11. “Conway is by no means the first Trump critic to notice that the president seems to fit the diagnostic criteria for narcissistic personality disorder,”

    Which might be significant if you could find a politician who didn’t fit those criteria above the level of a student counsel race.

  12. >>>his antics are doing all of us a favor by undermining respect for the presidency and making the case for reining in the executive branch

    dude if you’re grasping to “respect for the presidency” you may have chosen the wrong profession … T highlights the entirety of nonsense in DC by not being them

  13. The elephant in the room here is the question of whether psychiatry itself has any legitimacy.

    1. You see the elephant, too? Good, I thought I was hallucinating.

      1. To be fair, there have been a few psychiatrists who have questioned whether “personality disorders” should be considered mental illnesses.

        1. The idea that having a narcissistic personality is a “disorder”, without being able to articulate it as being, in any way, destructive, to either the one possessing it, or to society, in general, makes such “diagnoses” nothing but sophistry.
          Meanwhile, there are true delusional disorders, that manifest themselves in such actions as chemically and surgically mutilating the human body, with a far higher rate of suicide attached, that the “psychiatric community”, through political pressure, removed from the list of mental illnesses and have been required to be celebrated, by force, throughout the Western world.
          That’s one big-ass elephant.

          1. In the case of some “personality disorders”, there’s an ethical question for psychiatrists. A doctor’s responsibility is to his patient, for the health and well-being of the patient?not to anyone else. Someone with NPD or some other personality disorders can be a nightmare for his family, friends, co-workers, or neighbors, and yet be perfectly happy with himself and his life, successful at taking care of himself and meeting his basic responsibilities, and feeling no need to be changed with “treatment”. When that is the case, is it ethical for his doctor to try to change him, not for the patient’s own benefit, but for the benefit of others in his life who have to deal with him?

      2. ^^ Exactly. I alluded to it above, before I got down here.

        1. More than alluded – don’t know where that came from. I flat out said it. This bullshit needs to be reckoned with. And I’m not talking about pseudo-fucks “analyzing Trump. It’s the whole fucking thang.

    2. Correct!!!

      No one dares ask whether the emperor has any clothes. After all, it is we who clothed him.

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    1. How would the great British Public prefer to be murdered?

      1. British food?

  15. Is Conway drawing his excerpts from the same group that defines masculinity as an affliction?

    Yes, and poor Barack was over-compensating for being a mediocre student bullied because his ears stuck out and he looked like Alfred E. Newman.

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  17. Our culture is addicted to labels and acronyms, thinking that we can slap a word or an alphabet turd on something and make it fit our conclusions. So what if he’s NPD? Having a diagnosis or a “label” doesn’t mean one can’t function, it just describes circumstances that define some different ways in which he may function. Poll all of the worlds leaders and industrial giants and you will find characteristics that enable them to make decisions and take actions that most people could not. How many of these arm-chair, Monday morning psychiatrists have a clue what they are talking about? If Trump was charming and smooth instead of obnoxious nobody would give a toot.

  18. Speaking as a psychiatrist, let me add the following. Valid diagnoses are not made in absentia or by proxy. Pronouncements like Conway’s tell us more about the one doing the diagnosing than the one being diagnosed, and their acceptance tells us much about the audience they are intended for. All Conway (or anyone for that matter) can do is examine and interpret the public persona of the president, the media created monster that some love and others love to hate, while conveniently forgetting that it is a fabrication based on agendas as is his consumption of it.

  19. It’s not just Conway about Trump, either, nor is it a recent thing.

    Think about how “islamophobia” is applied to anyone that suggests Islam is anything but the vaunted “Religion of Peace” that leftists claim it is, or how someone is supposedly homophobic for not wanting some person waving their dangly bits in everyone’s face at a Gay Pride parade, demanding to be not only tolerated by the general public but praised for their exhibitionism and hedonism.

    It’s all about trying to sound authoritative, instead of the truth that what they really mean is “WAAAAAAAHHH! He dares to disagree with me and I’m such an emotional cripple that I can’t handle that!”.

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  21. I would argue that all politicians are narcissistic.

  22. A wise clinical psychology professor once remarked that it is unethical and rather stupid as well to attempt to diagnose someone “remotely.” Professional clinical training should cause you to withhold any judgment unless and until you’ve actually had time with the person in a clinical environment.
    So, Conway is simply speaking from ignorance (He’s not trained.), but Duty to Warn is committing professional and ethical malpractice with their comments. In either case, the comments have no merit.

  23. Your statement about the “authority” of the DSM is one which should be given further investigation, as you will soon find that the DSM is nothing more than a collection of “made up” mental “diseases”, voted on, yes I said “voted” into existence by the DSM panel of “expert” psychiatrists. These are NOT diseases. There is NO blood test, no biopsies, nothing close to what real diseases undergo before being classified.

    Psychiatry is the biggest fraud to ever walk the earth. They have been working at legitimizing themselves for a long time in order to con those in power to give themselves power and money to create the world the way they think it should be. As one-time director of the WHO, psychiatrist Brock Chisolm stated, “To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas”.

    Now, psychiatrists are the biggest drug pushers of “legal” drugs, psycho-pharmaceuticals, created by Big Pharma who give us an endless stream of commercial ads on MSM channels to tell us all that we suffer from these made-up diseases so they can rake in billions annually. And MSM isn’t going to investigate or chastise the golden goose that gives them the majority of their ad revenue… talk about a perfect storm… and we all gullibly watch the screens and believe the “doctors” and take their poisons. We’ve become victims to these life-sucking vampires in white coats… the psychiatrists.

    1. The important caveat, often overlooked (in this case willfully), when discussing personality disorders is that the particular personality traits (said traits being possessed by all people to one degree or another) must be causing harm or problems to the patient.

      If there is no harm, or concern on the part of the patient then the character trait is not a problem and there is no disorder. Being an asshole is not a DSM disorder. If it were then Conway and Trump would both share the diagnosis.

      Narcissism is not always a bad thing. Most surgeons are strongly narcissistic, as are fighter pilots, and many other sorts of professionals. To a certain extent you need to have an inordinate degree of self regard to even consider going into such fields in the first place. The narcissism that leads you to try does not do much to guarantee your success, but it is very much a barrier to entry for those who are no so self confidant.

    2. Yes. I said mostly the same thing up near the beginning yesterday. I’ll add here, that anyone who thinks, as someone above wrote, that doctors’ first concern is their patients or something similar, that is wrong.

      It is also wrong to believe records – including talks with a “counselor” type, are strictly confidential. They share notes and all kinds of stuff over the digital means…for example, when referring you to another doc type, try to see what they send over. Shit that has NOTHING to do with the referral doc’s specialty.

      And just try getting your hands on their notes. They may threaten to call security – and write you down, (in those notes we aren’t allowed to see), as, well, difficult, possibly with some kind of voted on “disorder,” maybe crazy. It’s despicable.

      HIPPA was bad, and the reverse of what “they” claim.

    3. Yes. I said mostly the same thing up near the beginning yesterday. I’ll add here, that anyone who thinks, as someone above wrote, that doctors’ first concern is their patients or something similar, that is wrong.

      It is also wrong to believe records – including talks with a “counselor” type, are strictly confidential. They share notes and all kinds of stuff over the digital means…for example, when referring you to another doc type, try to see what they send over. Shit that has NOTHING to do with the referral doc’s specialty.

      And just try getting your hands on their notes. They may threaten to call security – and write you down, (in those notes we aren’t allowed to see), as, well, difficult, possibly with some kind of voted on “disorder,” maybe crazy. It’s despicable.

      HIPPA was bad, and the reverse of what “they” claim.

      1. Whoops. Slow computer, didn’t realize it was turning around up there.

  24. The problem is calling it a disorder. He does have a narcissistic personality, but it is functional and not a disorder. He also tends to bully people that attack him in any way, even the lightest slight. Again, this is unpleasant, but not a disorder.

  25. “narcissistic personality disorder”? Really?

    And this didn’t apply to the Clintons? How about FDR? Obumbles certainly had it. Still does. I’m not sure Jimmy Carter had it while he was President, though there are signs, but he certainly developed a rampant case later. Every Democrat candidate I can think of (there are surely ones I haven’t noticed) exhibits all the signs; Elizabeth Warren doubled in spades.

    Say that narcissistic personality disorder disqualifies one from holding the office of the President, and I suspect the post will go empty.

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