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Bernie Sanders

Bernie Sanders Wanted 'Public Ownership of the Major Means of Production' in 1976

There's a word for that….

Matt Welch | 3.14.2019 4:34 PM

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We have long known that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has bad economic ideas, which have sadly been mainstreamed within the modern Democratic Party. We have further known that the democratic socialist at the outset of his political career in the 1970s had some, ah, unusual enthusiasms, ranging from widening freeway on-ramps for hitchhikers to the "abolition of all laws which interfere with the Constitutional right of citizens to bear arms"(!). Sanders described himself in 1976 as "clearly anti-capitalistic," and was prone that decade and others hence to embarrassing apologia for communist countries.

Still, reading today's tranche of '70s Bernie-brainfartery from CNN outrage-archeologists Andrew Kaczynski and Nathan McDermott is a striking reminder, against our current backdrop of Green-New-Deal-progressive-one-upsmanship, that the foundation of Sanders's political thinking is a pile of truly garbage economics that he refuses to disavow even while distancing himself from some of its particulars.

"I favor the public ownership of utilities, banks and major industries," Sanders told the Burlington Free Press in October 1976, at age 35, while making the last of four failed runs for office that decade. "There is a handful of people sitting at the head of the main banks controlling the destiny of underprivileged nations, the country as well as Vermont's economy. That is not tolerable. That control cannot be held by them. We need public control over capital; and the capital must be put to use for public need not for the advancement of those who made the investments."

When pointed out by the interviewer that "That is Socialism," Sanders replied "Of course. But that word has so many connotations—like 'capitalism'—that it has almost ceased to mean anything."

Well, yes and no. Pretty much every definition you can find of socialism, then as now, involves public ownership of the means of production. Which is precisely what 1976 Bernie was advocating.

"We have got to begin to deal with the fact that corporations do not have the god-given right to disrupt the lives of their workers or the economic foundation of their towns simply because they wish to move elsewhere to earn a higher rate of profit," he said in a CNN-unearthed press release in August 1976. "In the long run, the problem of the fleeing corporations must be dealt with on the national level by legislation which will bring about the public ownership of the major means of production and their conversion into worker-controlled enterprises."

Bolding mine, to emphasize #Socialism.

It is true, and important, that contemporary Sanders and his emulators have long since discarded the general means-of-production bit, though occasionally they have to confront the fact that their vast economic wishlists will replace entire industries with a single government provider. But the most damning of the CNN findings is actually the freshest of the quotes, from campaign spokesman Josh Orton:

Throughout his career, Bernie has fought on the side of working people and against the influence of both the powerful ultra-rich and giant corporations who seek only to further their own greed. The record shows that from the very beginning, Bernie anticipated and worked to combat the rise of a billionaire ruling class and the exploding power of Wall Street and multinational corporations. Whether fighting to lower energy prices or expand access to capital for local development, Bernie's first priority has always been—and will always be—defending the interests of working people across the country.

That's a funny way of saying I was wrong.

Look, there's no sugarcoating a basic fact of the last 100 years of human existence: Public ownership of the means of production has been one of the most wicked, misery inducing, environment-poisoning, dictator-enabling, freedom-destroying Frankenstein experiments ever inflicted on humankind. This was evident not just in the mid-1970s, but by the late 1930s, among anyone who cared enough to read widely available non-propaganda on the subject. Imagine being so blinkered by your wrongheaded economic priors that you travel to its most imperial practitioner, in its waning days, and laud the "cultural programs that go far beyond what we do in this country":

Bernie Sanders was lucky to be able to get to the Soviet Union in 1988 and praise all its stunning socialist achievements before the entire system and empire collapsed under the weight of its own spectacular failures. pic.twitter.com/bENmwVKi0g

— Carl Bildt (@carlbildt) February 25, 2019

The adult thing to do when the world demonstrably proves the monstrousness produced by the same ideas and regimes that you recently issued qualified praise for, is to take a step back, stock up on the new information, adapt your ideas accordingly, and if appropriate, apologize. It is not to quietly discard some of the excesses and otherwise insist that you've been with the proletariat all along. No. Really existing socialism makes workers poorer and less free, as predictably as night follows day.

Something reasonably close to the inverse happens as well: When you move toward private ownership and free trade, you get such results as the modern miracle of one billion people lifted out of extreme poverty since Bernie's last visit to the Soviet Union. (This hasn't led to as much political freedom as one would hope, particularly in China, but citizens there have considerably more latitude than in 1989.) As Bono knows, but Bernie (and the Pope!) refuse to believe, entrepreneurial capitalism, and the kind of mutual tariff-reduction Sanders has opposed at every opportunity during his long career, have been the primary engines fueling global anti-poverty.

So yeah, we knew Sanders had some weird—including some good!—ideas in the 1970s, and '80s, and even to this day. He is right about wanting to roll back both the Drug War and our Forever War. His spinoff from Seinfeld sure has been funny. But as Glenn Garvin pointed out in a great Reason profile from 2016, Bernie has been yammering about "oligarchy" and clamoring for "worker-owned businesses" for going on a half-century now, with little evident sign of self-reflection as the world disproved socialism on his watch. As pretty much the only alternative to the unlovable power-politician Hillary Clinton, Sanders was able to easily absorb flak about his past errors of judgment. But in a crowded Democratic field that includes at least some token self-described "capitalists," Bernie's bad ideas, past and present, are likely to get a far more thorough examination.

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  1. Serial Microaggressor   6 years ago

    "There's a word for that..."
    Sharing? Community organizing? State capitalism?

    1. perlchpr   6 years ago

      "idiot", "moron", "thief", "psychopath"?

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      2. John C. Randolph   6 years ago

        I prefer "power-hungry commie bastard".

        -jcr

    2. Last of the Shitlords   6 years ago

      Communists should be on blacklists. Not in congress.

      1. TJJ2000   6 years ago

        ^EXACTLY....

      2. 0x1000   6 years ago

        Frankly anyone who professes an ideology harmful to the state should be blacklisted.

        1. TJJ2000   6 years ago

          Hey... This nation isn't a "Democracy"! It has a Constitution that deprives government of infringing human rights such as Individual rights to Life, Liberty and Property. If you're in Congress; you have made a SWORN OATH to uphold that Constitution. Ideology in the practice of legislation that dismissing the 'inalienable' individual rights of the Constitution isn't "Free Speech" its Treason.

        2. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

          0x1000= statist the troll

    3. Skedoosker   6 years ago

      Fascism?

  2. Tu­lpa AKA "feeling smug"   6 years ago

    Hitler?

  3. esteve7   6 years ago

    Slavery. The correct word for Socialism is Slavery, and it needs to be referenced more often. Socialism means not owning the fruits of your own labor, which is Slavery

    1. Serial Microaggressor   6 years ago

      I like to think of the income tax as part-time slavery. For a fraction of the year, I am forced to give up the product of my labor as a condition of working at all.

      The slave owner is the one who gets to say "you work, I eat".

    2. Tony   6 years ago

      The maybe communism is for you, where you really get to own the fruit of your labor, hard.

      1. TJJ2000   6 years ago

        Maybe UP is DOWN and LEFT is RIGHT.. Maybe nothing means anything at all. Leftist "educational superiority" on full display.

  4. Necron 99   6 years ago

    Democratic Socialist are literally just communists who are too lazy to throw a revolution.

    1. Ride 'Em   6 years ago

      To me, they should be correctly called Socialist Democrats. Democratic Socialists implies that they in democracy which they as Socialism can only "work" with authoritarianism.

      1. Ride 'Em   6 years ago

        Should be "it implies that they believe in democracy" and "which they know Socialism"

        1. Deconstructed Potato   6 years ago

          They believe in democracy as far as it gets them into power. After that, not so much.

          1. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

            +100

          2. You're Kidding   6 years ago

            But see, Bernie is not ultra rich. He's only rich. That makes it all O.K.

      2. Nardz   6 years ago

        Social Democracy is already a thing - the centrally organized welfare state.
        It's a type of progressivism.
        Democratic Socialism, allied with Communism, defeated Fascism in World War II - giving birth to Social Democracy in the aftermath.
        All are types of progressivism

        1. Nardz   6 years ago

          *organized/planned

        2. Last of the Shitlords   6 years ago

          All should be expunged from this world.

    2. Tony   6 years ago

      And too stupid not to use the word socialist to describe themselves.

      1. Sevo   6 years ago

        Yeah, they should lie about it like you.

    3. ace_m82   6 years ago

      Or they know they'll lose.

      Badly.

  5. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   6 years ago

    Besides the fact that he's a straight white cis-male, Sanders' economic ideas are a big part of the reason he's not my first choice for the Democratic nomination. Nevertheless, I'd support him over any Republican because his Supreme Court picks would be so much better.

  6. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   6 years ago

    He wants it now.

  7. Sevo   6 years ago

    "There's a word for that?."

    "Stupid" comes to mind.

  8. Tony   6 years ago

    Don't lump the weirdo socialist in with us executive socialists.

    1. Unicorn Abattoir   6 years ago

      And it all comes down to executions.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   6 years ago

        But one execution comes with free healthcare.

  9. Deconstructed Potato   6 years ago

    I used to know a Bernie bro who considered himself pretty intelligent and tried to look for explanations as to why I and a couple of other people might express views he couldn't abide. He'd asked questions like,
    "have you been watching some gross right wing propaganda!?", and "Planned Parenthood is some people's only access to healthcare, and all the negative stuff and horrifying pictures are fake and made up by right wing pro life crazy Christians." He also once emphatically exclaimed "FUCK CAPITALISM". Up to a certain point he seemed like a reasonable man with a pretty good sense of humor, but then something snapped and it was like he'd been brainwashed into the cult of Democratic Socialism.

    Speaking of beautifully eloquent and cogent expressions of polticial insight, did anyone see the onslaught of vitriolic tweets against Peggy Noonan? It's miserable and pretty depressing to be reminded of how many people out their are so full of hate and completely oblivious to how ridiculous they are. "FUCK OFF AND DIE NOONE LIEKS [sic] WHAT YOU ARE SAYING", etc. She was brilliant in her dry responses to people who likely didn't even know who she was other than someone to admonish and threaten on twatter. I imagine it does take a toll after a while. Go Peggy.

    1. Tony   6 years ago

      Bernie bros are a cult, and that makes them dangerous in a field of 20 candidates splitting up votes.

      What did Pegglingdish Noonington say this time? It's usually something really stupid and out of touch.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   6 years ago

        If Beto gets done with his VisionQuest on time for 2020, he's a shoo-in.

      2. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

        Tony and his Executive socialists really believe that they are NOT in a cult of slavers.

        1. Last of the Shitlords   6 years ago

          All of them need to go.

      3. You're Kidding   6 years ago

        Bernie bros are low IQ ignorants. Thousands showed up for his visit to my town during the last election.

        Their comments on social media and to the MSM that covered it were telling. They were all inspired by "free shit for everyone" and could care less where it came from. They assumed they were just going to get slices of the pie that "the rich" were holding onto.

        It's actually kind of scary. Mob rule always is.

      4. Deconstructed Potato   6 years ago

        What did [Peggy Noonan] say this time? It's usually something really stupid and out of touch.

        Clickety-click (WSJ article).

  10. Trigger Warning   6 years ago

    Bernie Sanders can eat a dick.

  11. Juice   6 years ago

    I knew some Russians and Belarusians who were kids during Soviet times and they did say that one of the good parts of communism was the shit they got to do after school. They did all kinds of stuff that usually only well off families would do in more capitalist countries, like sailing and horse type things. And they did a lot of dance, music, and theater, which usually doesn't take a shitload of money anyway though.

    1. Michael Cox   6 years ago

      And I know some Russians and Ukrainians who got to play the "how do we get out of the country before the secret police shoot us" game! They also had "where will my next meal come from", and the ever popular "what can I use to bribe the authorities so that I am not randomly victimized today" activities. These are also activities not generally available to common folk in capitalist countries. But, ponies are nice, too.

  12. You're Kidding   6 years ago

    Public ownership of the means of production is just another version of Lord of the Flies.

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  14. James Pollock   6 years ago

    "Bernie Sanders Wanted 'Public Ownership of the Major Means of Production' in 1976"

    So Bernie favors public corporations? Shocking.

    1. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

      Socialism.

      Capitalism is privately owned public companies.

  15. Br549   6 years ago

    But now he has a 29 year old econ major/bartender sidekick who's the boss and like literally knows everything about anything so socialism will like really, really work this time

  16. No Yards Penalty   6 years ago

    Fucking commie should have his Jew ass thrown in Guantanamo with no outside visitors.

    1. Deconstructed Potato   6 years ago

      Yikes

    2. Michael Cox   6 years ago

      Funny, with an ethnic slur and support for a concentration camp, I'm surprised you're not on the commie's side. FOS.

    3. John C. Randolph   6 years ago

      Fuck off, Adolf.

      -jcr

  17. TJJ2000   6 years ago

    "I favor the public ownership of utilities, banks and major industries" -- Oh yes, there it is; just as figured. Bernie isn't for "breaking" up the banking monopolies and the Federal Reserve powers that creates them.

    He's for The Federal Reserve 2.0 in which Government OWNS all the money, banks, and transactions. An even more stringent MONOPOLY of the BANKING industry. Yep, that's communism USSR style. I still cannot fathom how American "voters" elect such imbeciles to destroy this country founded on a Individual Rights / Freedoms that are utterly under attack.

    1. ace_m82   6 years ago

      Oh, he's not against monopolistic control, he's against OTHER people having that control.

      He's fine controlling everything in your life as long as he's doing it.

      Actually, this is all very "Road to Serfdom" and "The Fatal Conceit".

  18. David Emami   6 years ago

    "We have got to begin to deal with the fact that corporations do not have the god-given right to disrupt the lives of their workers or the economic foundation of their towns simply because they wish to move elsewhere to earn a higher rate of profit."

    Hey, if it looks like they're going to escape, that's what the Stasi are for, right?

  19. Hattori Hanzo   6 years ago

    Bernie received kid glove treatment in '16 because Hillary was viewed as the sure thing in a rigged primary. His past will surface now.

    1. John C. Randolph   6 years ago

      Also because he agreed to STFU and be a good little Hillary-fluffer once they sat him down and showed him the oppo research they had on him.

      Not surprising of course, there's never been any such thing as a commie with any integrity.

      -jcr

    2. ElvisIsReal   6 years ago

      He's also not alone promising to be Santa Claus, and he's an old white guy.

  20. SimpleRules   6 years ago

    Socialism assumes wealth creation in the absence of incentives.
    Capitalism assumes people respond to incentives.
    It is this simple yet some want to ignore human nature.

  21. TGoodchild   6 years ago

    "I favor the public ownership of utilities, banks and major industries."

    Only a hardened idiot could be a 35 year old in 1976 and genuine have that position. He owes his political career to being able to obscurely fester in Vermont.

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  24. JoeBlow123   6 years ago

    "(This hasn't led to as much political freedom as one would hope, particularly in China, but citizens there have considerably more latitude than in 1989.)"

    This is intellectually lazy. This cannot just be hand waved away no matter how much you would like it to. China is increasingly proving that "free trade" (if you can describe what China does as anything approaching free trade) does not necessarily go hand in hand with political or personal freedom. You cannot claim the good (poverty reduction) of your narrative then throw out the bad (wholesale imprisonment of minorities, a massive police state that cannot be described as anything less than dystopian).

  25. Skedoosker   6 years ago

    Public ownership of the major means of production is one of the defining aspects of fascism.

  26. Dave 0204346   6 years ago

    Owners sometimes suffer losses. Unless the workers are subjected to the downturns of businesses, I say, no. Share in the RISK, then, reap rewards. If the business FAILS, let creditors attach workers assets. Bernie and other Socialists assume that every business is an Amazon or a Microsoft. Total hogwash. He wants a setup where, if the business collapses, the workers just look for another job. The owner loses his shirt (if not his home that he has mortgaged to fund his venture.)

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