Campus Free Speech

A Conservative Got Punched in the Face for Protesting Hate Crime Hoaxes

"Encouraging violence"

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A stranger punched a conservative activist in the face after becoming enraged at his posters, which said "Hate crime hoaxes hurt real victims" and "this is MAGA country." The altercation took place at the University of California-Berkeley.*

The University of California Police Department is attempting to identify the attacker, and a spokesperson for the university said it would take action if he turns out to be a student.

"Let me state in no uncertain terms that this university strongly condemns violence and harassment of any sort, for any reason," Dan Moguluf, assistant vice chancellor for communications, tells Campus Reform. "That sort of behavior is reprehensible and intolerable. We have, in recent years, spent millions of dollars to ensure that students from across the ideological/political spectrum can safely and successfully promote and discuss their beliefs. Our commitment to freedom of expression and belief is unwavering."

The student, Hayden Williams, is a field representative for the Leadership Institute, and he was helping with recruitment for Turning Point USA. Both organizations promote conservatism on college campuses.

The altercation, which was captured on video, took place at a public square near Williams' recruitment table. The video clearly shows a young man in a black shirt punching Williams directly in the face. Williams' only crimes, it seems, were promoting a conservative cause and attempting to record his interactions with students on his phone.

The video shows another person attempting to knock Williams' phone out of his hands and accusing Williams of "fucking encouraging violence" just before the man in the black shirt attacks him. I gather that this person believed Williams' provocative signs—which allude to the allegedly fake Jussie Smollett hate incident—were not mere speech but actually a kind of assault on marginalized communities.

The idea that words are themselves violence is regrettably popular among student activists. If words are violence, then punching somebody who says something offensive isn't wrong; it's just self-defense. The idea's results are on display in the video:

Update: This post initially identified the victim as a UC-Berkeley student. He is not.

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326 responses to “A Conservative Got Punched in the Face for Protesting Hate Crime Hoaxes

  1. ” I gather that this person believed Williams’ provocative signs?which allude to the allegedly fake Jussie Smollett hate incident?were not mere speech but actually a kind of assault on marginalized communities.

    The idea that words are themselves violence is regrettably popular among student activists. If words are violence, then punching somebody who says something offensive isn’t wrong; it’s just self-defense. The idea’s results are on display in the video:”

    Is it too much to ask for a more forceful denunciation of this behavior?

    1. He is nearest makes no difference the only person anywhere in the media focusing on this topic. He’s already way out on a limb by himself.

      And to his credit, he has quit with the “to be sure, these guys are despicable racists” qualifiers.

      He has been grinding away at this millstone long enough that right wing cranks on cable new shows are starting to call him in for his commentary. He is probably about 5 minutes away from being un-personed as a racist, homophobic, misogynistic alt-right fascist..

      1. Well if going to bother then say something worth saying.

        1. “Well if going to bother then say something worth saying.”

          Yeah.
          If he’s as close to being de-platformed as Cyto claims, waffling like that isn’t gonna help anyway.

          1. Besides which, some words are not only themselves a form of violence, but pose a serious danger to public safety, to the reputation of distinguished members of the community, and to the basic moral foundations of our society. That is why we here at NYU fought so hard to make sure that the author of inappropriately deadpan “parody” of one of our most reputable faculty members and administrators was arrested, jailed, and otherwise dealt with firmly by law enforcement authorities, regardless of the million or so dollars in taxpayer dollars that were spent on the matter. See the documentation of our nation’s leading criminal “satire” case at:

            https://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

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        2. This complaint has been made since the day Soave arrived.

          handwaving-qualification / toothless criticism is his m.o.

          1. You’re right Gilmore.

            My thinking is, if ever there is a time to grow a pair it’s when someone assaults a person for their speech.

            But Robby disagrees apparently.

            1. If Robbie doesn’t want to be instantly dismissed as a right-wing partisan when pointing out evil, he has to moderate how he speaks. He needs to be convincing, not sound like a demagogue.

              We’re up against a powerful, violent, misanthropic, ideological cult who currently controls the microphone and the speakers. You can’t just counter their propaganda by trying to out-shout them.

              “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

          2. Would you rather Robby just ignore this story like the corporate press? The demands on Robby by the commentariat is often ridiculous

            1. Right. A clear denunciation of assault for someone’s speech is ridiculous then?

            2. Would you rather Robby just ignore this story like the corporate press? The demands on Robby by the commentariat is often ridiculous

              My problem isn’t with the waffling, my problem is that frequently, the waffling betrays a more fundamental disbelief in facts, truth, liberty, and/or libertarianism. And the fact that it’s all sung in an exceedingly leftist key.

              There were no ‘to be sure’s when Robby said that he’s concerned that the lawsuit Nick Sadmann filed against the WaPo may go too far.

              If Christine Blasey Ford, Vaness Tyson, and Jussie Smollett claimed that the moon was made of cheese and that they know because Neil Armstrong sexually assaulted them during the Apollo mission and he’d require proof that their allegations weren’t credible.

              1. We need a Reason convention in Vegas. With lots of Q&A sessions with all the writers and editors. It would be fun to attend sessions where Robby, Shikha, etc. are brow beaten over all,the stuff we criticize them for where they have to respond to live people in person.

                It would also be interesting to see if folks like Tony and Hihn show up.

                1. Ask Nick about how Stalin wasn’t a true communist.

                  “Totalitarians professing communism killed millions of people, but this analogy is flawed. Hitler was the leader of Nazism, Stalin the leader of…Stalinism, not communism.”
                  https://goo.gl/xnJ8CT

            3. Seriously.

              I don’t know WTF is wrong with these people. I guess they literally just don’t care that they look like idiots, and non libertarians, despite writing for what is supposed to be a libertarian rag.

              They MUST read through the comments sometimes, and see all the criticisms, which means they KNOW what they’re doing.

              I would LOVE a live Q&A session to destroy them all. It will never happen though, because they wouldn’t want their fragile egos hurt.

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      2. Robby gonna Robby.

        However, I have noticed over the past few months Robby has been a lot more journalist-y and reporter-y on these issues than anyone else in the Media.

        I think getting dragged in the H&R comments for his childlike faith in some of Kavanaugh’s accusers taught him a valuable lesson. And as you pointed out he’s one of the few reporters actually investigating stuff like this; he has an opportunity to carve out a Stossel-like niche for himself.

        Besides, he’s just so damned dreamy….

        1. I am so horny for his head hair.

        2. “I have noticed over the past few months Robby has been a lot more journalist-y and reporter-y on these issues than anyone else in the Media.”

          Although, to be strictly honest, the same could be said of Winnie The Pooh. It ain’t a high bar.

        3. However, I have noticed over the past few months Robby has been a lot more journalist-y and reporter-y on these issues than anyone else in the Media.

          He has positioned himself to evolve on this and other topics better than mainstream media, that’s for sure.

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    2. Well, his words did result in violence. So …

      1. Her short skirt did encourage a rape

    3. Not from progressives.

      The dark cloud of fascism is always descending upon Republicans but it always turns out to be composed of progressives and Democrats.

      He brought an American flag to protest fascism in Portland. Then antifa attacked him

      Quote:
      Paul Welch came to the downtown protest Aug. 4 to let his political leanings be known.

      With pride he clutched his U.S. flag as he moved among the crowd of like-thinking demonstrators.

      Soon a group of black-clad anti-fascist protesters, also known as antifa, demanded he lose the flag, calling it a fascist symbol. Welch refused, and a tug-of-war ensued.

      Video captured by Mike Bivins, a freelance journalist, shows what happened next.

      As Welch and the counter-protesters wrangle over the flag, another masked counter-protester begins to strike Welch’s body from behind using a weapon concealed in black fabric.

      That person then uses the weapon to club Welch on the back of the head, causing him to collapse instantly. The demonstrator with the weapon wanders off.

      1. “The black clad terrorists, using time honored fascist tactics, used open violence to suppress free speech.”

        There you go, fact checked it.

    4. “provocative signs”

      Obviously he was asking for it.

    5. I agree that the victim should have maced and stomped the aggressor.

  2. Williams’ only crimes, it seems, were promoting a conservative cause

    Good to know that being against false claims of crimes occurring is a conservative cause. Even the “This is MAGA Country” can be taken as a relatively apolitical comment on the claims that Smollett made.

    1. It’s a bit sad when things like free speech and being against hoax, staged hate-crimes are seen as conservative causes.

      Seems to me that “conservative” describes a philosophical orientation towards the world, not a specific set of beliefs. But I appear to be in a minority. Most people just want to see teams.

      1. Conservatives are really just classical liberals for the most part. Not as principled as libertarians by any means, but a far better ally than the authoritarian left.

        1. Totalitarian.
          Totalitarian left.

      2. It’s a bit sad when things like free speech and being against hoax, staged hate-crimes are seen as conservative causes.

        I haven’t looked too hard, but local media covering Smollett’s case has me wanting to vomit. Literally every single local source I’ve listened to takes the hoax as an opportunity to highlight the plight of black and LGBT victims and how this incident only further damages their legal and social standing. The closest anyone comes at any point to denouncing what Smollett did directly is playing the clip from Chief Johnson denouncing his activity as a slap in the face to the city.

      3. “Seems to me that “conservative” describes a philosophical orientation towards the world, not a specific set of beliefs. But I appear to be in a minority.”

        It is just the difference between upper case “C” vs lower case “c”. You are correct in using the lower case to describe conservatism. Many people who call themselves “Conservative” (noun rather than adjective) pretty much seem to have no concept of what it means today.

  3. “Our commitment to freedom of expression and belief is unwavering.”

    I’d hate to think how many speeches they’d have cancelled if their commitment *wasn’t* unwavering.

    1. LOL. It is funny because they are really that ridiculous.

    2. “Let me state in no uncertain terms that this university strongly condemns violence and harassment of any sort, for any reason,” said Dan Moguluf, lying.

    3. Maybe Moguluf is confused about the meaning of “unwavering”, and imagines free speech going under the waves.

    4. “Let me state in no uncertain terms that this university strongly condemns violence and harassment of any sort, for any reason,” Dan Moguluf, assistant vice chancellor for communications, tells Campus Reform. “That sort of behavior is reprehensible and intolerable. We have, in recent years, spent millions of dollars to ensure that students from across the ideological/political spectrum can safely and successfully promote and discuss their beliefs. Our commitment to freedom of expression and belief is unwavering.”

      The sort of reprehensible and intolerable violence and harassment that he’s speaking of is, of course, openly expressing an opinion anywhere to the right of Mao. He’s condemning the actions of the guy who got attacked exactly what he deserved, not the guy who attacked him bravely defended himself against the reprehensible and intolerable violence and harassment of the conservative speaker.

      And, as always, people who claim that speech is violence should be punched in the mouth on the grounds that they attacked you with their speech – see how long they stick with the principle that speech and action are equally violent.

  4. Can you blame him? What with the rapidly increasing trend of MAGA violence against minority and marginal groups? He was simply defending himself, really, when you think about it.

    1. It is true. I have heard it repeated at least 50 times over the last two days on the network news. There is an epidemic explosion of right-wing violence by people wearing Maga hats. This is known.

      1. Would be nice if they could provide a few non-hoax examples to support the contention. Seems like increased reporting and hoaxes account for any increase in such incidents, which are and have been extremely rare..

        1. You mean like Bill Clinton, rapist; and Hillary Clinton, rapist-enabler and victim-denier?

          1. I’m not sure what you are trying to say, but I’m pretty sure it’s not what I mean.

            1. It is not a hoax that Bill Clinton is a rapist. Hillary’s denials of that were claims that the victims were hoaxers; her denials are not hoaxes; denials that she was hoaxing are not hoaxes but were false.

              There’s plenty of meat in there, and not just her cankles.

          2. But were they wearing MAGA hats during the rapes?
            Because nothing else matters.

            1. We’ll have to wait 35 years for a women to come forward to tell us.

        2. The demand for racism obviously is exceeding the supply, so substitutes will be supplied.

      2. “”There is an epidemic explosion of right-wing violence by people wearing Maga hats”‘

        Does that include Nigerian brothers?

      3. You know nothing, Jon Snow

      4. Killer clowns, and now this! I don’t feel safe on the streets or even in my home anymore.

    2. (Citations Needed)

      If there’s anything we have learned from the Smollett case, it’s that there’s such a lack of MAGA racist homophobic violence, that the liberals have had to manufacture it themselves.

      1. Don’t let a crisis go to waste. Make a crisis if none exists.

    3. What with the rapidly increasing trend of MAGA violence against minority and marginal groups?

      Remember when drunk-as-a-skunk Tim Trybus got uncomfortably close to a woman wearing a Puerto Rican flag t-shirt and raised his voice?

      We’re lucky this incident didn’t turn out like that massacre!

  5. While I condemn all forms of political violence, we must keep in mind that it is almost exclusively Drumpf’s supporters who are the attackers in these cases. Jussie Smollett’s would-be lynchers are still at large and the Chicago police apparently don’t care. It’s only a matter of time before they strike again.

    1. A+

          1. I’m with you guys.

      1. I’ll second that A+!

        1. You people have some low standards.

          1. Says the guy reading a Soave piece.

    2. or as Dan Rather said “the documents are fake but the story is true to”

      1. Dam Rather should have been wearing an ‘I Want to Bekieve’ t-shirt when he said that.

    3. OpenBorders, and your statistics proving this are??? Or is this just another leftist lie being throwm out with no actual facts to back it up?

      1. My strong impression is that OpenBordersLiberal-tarian is a satire account. The problem being that it is hard to satirize the complete insane.

        1. Aaand it seems the Reason’s comment system doesn’t probably handle URLs with special characters.

          Come on. A software upgrade is years overdue.

        2. OBL is the voice of Reason.
          To be sure.

          …though Robby has been a little bit better of late

          1. OBL is satirizing the image of Reason that the more unhinged right-leaning commenters have in their minds.

            Which makes it hard to tell if the intent is to satirize Reason or to satirize the commenters who have somehow convinced themselves that Reason is all liberal Democrats.

            1. Heh.

              You go on thinking that.

            2. Seriously though, can even a proper libertarian purist say that the way Reason handles things is on the up and up?

              I’m mostly libertarian, but when I diverge from orthodoxy I tend to lean towards the conservative position… From that angle Reason is TOTALLY cucked out and left leaning. But even from a purists perspective they’re horrible. All their willing to compromise on gun rights, taxes, totes cool to force people to bake gay wedding cakes, etc etc etc.

              They’re neither proper purists, OR sane real world pragmatists… They’re very clearly left leaning people with libertarian leanings on economics thrown into the mix. Calling them anything more than that is overly generous.

    4. 9/10 for this one. Best one in a while.

      1. Agreed. You can’t tell if he’s being serious or not, which is the key to satire.

        1. Uh…

        2. Or – – – –
          you could look at the header and see who it is

    5. Wonderful satire, OBL.

      You are doing God’s work!

    6. You’re just a parody of what an idiot right-winger imagines a liberal to be.

      1. He is actually a parody of what we know you to be; you just proved it.

      2. Holy shit. I just noticed the sun rises in the east. WTF?

        1. He’s more then just a direct parody of it, writ large. He’s a character of a very specific young, very sincere kid.

      3. OBL beats Tony, chemjeff, and you to the punch on many of these, stealing your thunder by exposing its farcical nature.

      4. Mikey’s Butt Plug!

      5. Parody has become reality my friend! 30 years ago most self professed liberals wouldn’t have been so retarded… But nowadays his silly posts are basically the official leftist party line in the USA.

    7. I’m pretty sure OBL is trying to be sarcastic. It’s not coming through very well, though.

      1. Only if you need your satire spoon fed to you.

    8. Agreed. Racism is rampant in Trump’s America.

      Portland Food Cart Shuts Down Following Harassment by Occupy ICE Protesters

      Quote:
      A Portland food cart is closing down following harassment and alleged threats of violence from protestors who objected to the business serving federal immigration agents.

      Video taken by a female Happy Camper employee shows a demonstrator using a megaphone to call the staffer a “bitch” and accuse her of laughing at the victims of U.S. immigration laws.

      According to Scott Hakes, the last straw came when protestors threatened his 21-year-old daughter for serving food to a DHS employee. “If they catch her outside the cart, they’re going to hurt her. They’re constantly cussing at her and screaming at her,” he told KGW. According to the owners, protestors also threatened to burn down the cart.

      1. Antifa people should be beaten on sight. Just like all dirty hippies.

    9. I heard they have hired O.J. Simpson to lead a search for the true muggers.
      If I was them, I would be worried. Very worried.

    10. You need to turn off your internet for a while until you get a better handle on sarcasm

    11. I’m a little thick, but I think I finally am getting the sarcasm.

    12. OpenBordersLooneyLiberal-tarian…….

      This is an example of satire….Right ? Right ? If so….Ha, ha, ha, ha….that’s a good one…!!!!!

  6. I hope this turns out to be a staged hoax.

    1. Lol

  7. accusing Williams of “fucking encouraging violence” just before the man in the black shirt attacks him

    Clearly the dude was right.

    1. That’s better than “encouraging fucking violence”, which would cleary be misogynistic.

      1. What if it’s a rough encounter between two dudes?

      2. Not when committed against a white boi.

      3. Some chicks like it rough. I would bet money in Vegas that AOC likes it rough from behind while standing.

  8. “…accusing Williams of “fucking encouraging violence”…”

    Just like Trump’s election: The left said that if Trump were elected, there would be increased violence.
    He was and the left promptly delivered additional violence where ever it could.

    1. I hope the counterproductive loser who punched Hayden Williams is identified, apprehended, and severely punished.

      Thank goodness conservative malcontents tend to be hapless yahoos who get caught consequent to their stupidity before they can turn their weapons collections, diffuse bigotry, and crackpot schemes into lethal violence.

      The differences can be striking.

      Carry on, clingers.

      1. Because white-ethnostate supporting nationalists and conservatives are the same thing. It must be difficult to wield a brush that broad.

        1. It also takes a breathtaking pile of stupid, but the asshole rev delivers on that constantly.

          1. It’s just a sock trolling. Just scroll past it as if it were Ken bloviating.

            1. I enjoy Ken Schultz’s considered musings

              1. As do I. I dosage often, but at least they are reasoned instead of hate spewed in the name of tolerance like Rev.

                1. Dosage…. I didn’t proofread nearly enough.

      2. In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion,[3] whether for the troll’s amusement or a specific gain.

  9. Trump will pay his legal fees.

    1. Uuuuuuhhh

  10. There’s so much to learn from this incident, it’s hard to know where to begin.

    1. There is never anything to learn from an anecdote.

      1. LOL.

        Ok, well, I’m that case, violent crime and gun violence have been in massive decline, so next time someone gets shot, STFU.

        1. If we’re talking about gun-related deaths, that’s just a fucking lie. Do you think I don’t have Google?

          1. Calm down, Susan.

            Google’s free: everyone has google. Weird, capitalism and all.

            Anyway, some people are just too stupid to interpret data (wink wink).

          2. As a percentage of total population, you dumb idiot.

            1. Tony does that a lot. He suggests that his argument is supported by data he never produces because

              1) he is usually too stupid to properly interpret it

              2) he knows that if he posts it, someone else will properly interpret it and make him look even dumber

              1. I find it tiresome to do other people’s Googling for them.

                The fact is things are worse than Brian thought when he was trying to zing me.

                Crime has indeed been going down for decades now. What hasn’t been going down are gun-related deaths, which have been going up.

                People have fetishes. But if furries were committing tens of thousands of deaths a year, even furries would admit obvious reality.

                1. See? Still no data because

                  1) he is usually too stupid to properly interpret it

                  2) he knows that if he posts it, someone else will properly interpret it and make him look even dumber

                    1. “Gun-related suicides ”

                      Aaaaand you prove both of my points.

                    2. You think I didn’t know that your point was to conveniently ignore suicide deaths when judging the validity of gun-death data? Well that’s just what a psychopathic fetishist would do. A large spike in suicides is relevant both to public interest and, very likely, gun availability.

                      Also, gun homicides are up too. See the graph I linked to. Idiot.

                    3. I’ll give you this, Tony:

                      You don’t make big anecdotal stories out of suicides.

                      All better, retard?

                    4. “You think I didn’t know that your point was to conveniently ignore suicide deaths”

                      It was just the first point. For some stupid fucking reason you don’t get why claiming one thing then providing datat which says something else makes you look reatrded.

                      You’re on a libertarian website fuckboy. We believe in self-ownership. Save your “the staye owns your body” shit for your slaver buddies.

                      Then fuck off.

                    5. Okay, so just respond to the spike in gun homicides in the data I linked to.

                    6. Okay, so just respond to the spike in gun homicides in the data I linked to

                      The population grew.

                    7. “”Okay, so just respond to the spike in gun homicides in the data I linked to””

                      What’s funny is he is demanding something from people which he never does himself.

                    8. “Also, gun homicides are up too. See the graph I linked to. Idiot.”

                      “Homicides by weapon type, 1976?2004”

                      THAT graph says you’re lying. It also is a straight count, not per capita.

                      Are you done looking massively retarded?

                    9. Oh, the US does far worse when looking at per capita data, so I’m not sure why you’d retreat to that argument.

                      Wait, are you trying to argue that the US does not have a gun fatality problem or what? What are you even trying to do here?

                    10. “Oh, the US does far worse when looking at per capita data, so I’m not sure why you’d retreat to that argument.”

                      You don’t even understand what I said.

                    11. And not only do you not understand what I said, you just conveniently ignore that you were wrong about the graph.

                    12. Oh, the US does far worse when looking at per capita data

                      According to that graph, I don’t see how that’s possible.

                      The number of homicides has decreased since a high in 1993 (according to that graph) while population has increased.

                      So, not possible.

                      Wait, are you trying to argue that the US does not have a gun fatality problem or what?

                      Ah, the goalpost shift.

                      The FBI includes justifiable homicides in the overall homicide stats. That means if a cop justifiably shoots a criminal, it counts.

                      That kind of conflation makes the stats pretty worthless.

                    13. Should suicides by gun be considered? Do you think violating the bill of rights will make people be less suicidal? Is it possible that abolishing civil rights might make more people suicidal?

                    14. A large spike in suicides is relevant both to public interest and, very likely, gun availability.

                      That availability has been the same over the last 20 years. So why did suicides stay flat from 1999 to 2006, and begin a steady increase since then? Why did gun homicide numbers stay steady from 1999-2014, do a two-year spike, and then level off?

                      You’re going to have to come up with something a little less simplistic than “gun availability,” given that the argument resembles the claim that higher taxes will bring in more revenue.

                    15. Wait, so your argument is that there would be less suicides without guns?
                      Really? I guess guns are a huge problem in Japan right?

                    16. A common-sense approach here is obvious.

                      Pass strict new laws that makes it illegal to commit suicide by guns and SEVERELY punish those who do so. Perhaps even so far as to make committing suicide with a gun a capital offense–punishable by the death penalty.

                      Like all common-sense guns laws, that’ll be sure to make a difference.

                    17. Suicide is a gun crime in the same way that masturbation is a sex crime.

                    18. Prove It: Get someone to hang themselves at a schoolyard and then masturbate in the bushes when the kids gather around and tell us how much more trouble you get in.

                    19. In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion,[3] whether for the troll’s amusement or a specific gain.

                    20. It appears this thread has become another cataloging of Tony’s faults.

                    21. That article is from 2015 and its data is even older. Notice the post-2015 spike in the more updated graph I linked to.

                    22. No, I don’t. Link directly to the graph please, not a very long article.

                    23. Yeah, when you zoom in, “noise” looks like “spikes”, and a few years of data magically contradict a decades-old trend greater by orders of magnitude. That’s just science, and you’re proving my point: you can’t interpret data.

                      Better let the policy making be made by someone who can.

                    24. That’s just science, and you’re proving my point: you can’t interpret data.

                      Look, Brian: Numbers are a construct of dead old white guys and are not needed when you “believe” in science like Tony does.

                    25. Data “are”, not data “is”. Do try to get the basics right

                    26. Tony, that graph is bullshit. Why does it start in 1999? It starts in 1999 because that was a recent low point in gun homicides. Pretty standard way to lie with statistics.
                      Try this chart. The rate of handgun murders (which is almost all gun murders) is still lower than it has been for the great majority of the last 40 years +.

                    27. Tony, that’s more your thing.

                2. Crime has indeed been going down for decades now. What hasn’t been going down are gun-related deaths, which have been going up.

                  Male suicide is, admittedly, quite high.

                  So, what percentage of the increase in gun deaths are suicides?

              2. “2) he knows that if he posts it, someone else will properly interpret it and make him look even dumber”

                He and the thankfully-banned turd are famous for posting links only to have someone read them and find the showed the opposite of the claim.
                Tony, d-u-m as rocks, is gun-shy now; he’s been busted entirely too often.

                1. I think everyone is largely aware of it. If Tony were more intelligent and read his own date critically, he could avoid looking idiotic constantly.

                  He’d rather make stupid assertions nased on his flawed understanding, then claim victory and flee.

                  1. Tony is a troll and I imagine he posts seriously under another pseudonym.

                    1. My mind would be BLOWN if I found out Tony was just a troll account, and he was one of the saner posters on here with a different handle!

                      But I doubt it.

                      Overall: Guns have no relation to any numbers for violence or suicide, when compared internationally.

                      ~85% of murders in the US are committed by black or Hispanic people, mostly all gang related. The reason Europe and Asia have vastly lower gun murder deaths is because they don’t have those problems like we do.

                      White and Asian Americans commit murder at rates similar to or lower than all those European and Asian nations… Despite that we’re drowning in guns.

                      Any of the leftist line on guns falls apart when one looks at the data sensibly. So kindly fuck off Tony!

        2. “Ok, well, I’m that case, violent crime and gun violence have been in massive decline, so next time someone gets shot, STFU.”

          Exactly.

          Tony said something right, for once, and can’t seem to get his head around the obvious implications.

          No policy or position should be changed because of one incident of anything.

          1. Or how about “the best countries to live in all have high per capita billionaires, so next time you bitch about plutocracy, STFU.”

          2. “Tony said something right, for once, and can’t seem to get his head around the obvious implications.”

            Of course he didn’t. He opposes violence (if it is against lefties). He opposes the electoral college (if an R gets elected). Etc.
            That sorry excuse for humanity heard of “principles’ someplace. He just can’t remember where.

          3. Presumably you people are referring to the dozens of anecdotes where people with readily available guns murder large numbers of schoolchildren and such. Of course even regular mass shootings, unique to our country, are not the same as data, unlike the Jussie Smollett case, which has universal implications.

            1. “Of course even regular mass shootings, unique to our country, are not the same as data, ”

              Neither is your post.

            2. “Of course even regular mass shootings, unique to our country,”

              Yer right. In France, for example, they use trucks, bombs and guns.

              1. Yer right. In France, for example, they use trucks, bombs and guns.

                In addition, of course, to guns (see: Bataclan, Charlie Hebdo, etc.)

                Don’t argue with the idiot. He gets his “science” straight from his feelings.

                1. Yer right. In France, for example, they use trucks, bombs and guns.

                  Ahhhhhhhh. Sorry Sevo, reading comprehension ain’t my strong point these days. I didn’t notice you said “and guns”.

                  1. “Guns” bears repeating.

            3. You need to use your data to make some kind of rational argument, Tony.

              Because OJ went free isn’t a good reason to get rid of jury trials.

              If a string of mass shootings is a good reason to repeal the Second Amendment, then you need to make that case. Go ahead and make it, citing the data, and then defend it while rational people subject your argument to scrutiny.

              That is how rational positions are created and defended, and that is how rational minds are persuaded. If you’re just citing sensational incidents, appealing to pity, then you’re not convincing anybody rational of anything. You’re just creating pornography.

              There is nothing rational to learn from the spectacle of this guy getting hit for being a conservative that wasn’t already apparent before it happened.

              There wasn’t anything to learn from the Smollett incident that wasn’t already apparent through rational argument before we learned it was a hoax either.

              1. I think guns should be heavily restricted for the same reason you think they should be readily available: they are tools whose sole purpose is to kill people.

                Despite your feeble attempts to muddy the water, the correlation between gun availability and gun deaths is not only supported by data, but common sense a kindergartner could be capable of.

                You’re never going to be able to outgun the US federal government, so that excuse is masturbatory horseshit. And droning on about self-defense, apart from also ignoring the data, ignores the phenomenon of an arms race. When does it end? If only criminals had sticks, all you’d need is a knife. And cops wouldn’t need to be paramilitary in force if there weren’t so many arsenals in private hands,

                1. gun deaths

                  Ah. Another goal post shift.

                  1. My goalpost was never at criminal homicide. My whole point is that the presence of guns makes gun death, in any form, more likely. Which is bad.

                    1. The biggest single possessor of firearms is the government. Government (the State, really) is the biggest murderer on the planet, taking the lives of 262 million UNARMED people in 100 years, mostly by self described “socialist” governments.

                      https://www.reason.com/archives/2014/0…..-and-proud

                      So, if you REALLY BELIEVE what you say, you’d be anti-government.

                    2. “So, if you REALLY BELIEVE what you say, you’d be anti-government”

                      Or, he’d just admit that he wants us to live in a totalitarian state under a government armed to the teeth without any capacity at all to resist that government. Because oppression is a positive social good. Or something.

                    3. “Which is bad.”

                      Obvious troll is obvious.

                2. Despite your feeble attempts to muddy the water, the correlation between gun availability and gun deaths is not only supported by data, but common sense a kindergartner could be capable of.

                  Chicago has exceptionally tough gun control laws. Yet, the death rate is really, really high. Far higher than in cities that DO NOT have really, really tough gun control laws. Any idea why?

                  Can you correlate gun death rates with areas with strict gun control laws?

                3. And droning on about self-defense, apart from also ignoring the data, ignores the phenomenon of an arms race. When does it end? If only criminals had sticks, all you’d need is a knife.

                  If the criminal has a knife, all I need is a gun. And turning a home invader’s face inside-out with a shotgun blast is doing society a service.

                4. Is this your attempt at a rational argument?

                  Okay.

                  “I think guns should be heavily restricted for the same reason you think they should be readily available: they are tools whose sole purpose is to kill people.”

                  You don’t know why I think people should be free to own guns.

                  And even if the fact that guns can’t kill people were a good reason to ban them, the sole purpose of guns is not to kill people. They are also used for hunting deer, target shooting, collecting, and as family heirlooms.

                  the correlation between gun availability and gun deaths

                  You might think you’re comparing apples to apples, but this is just comparing an apple to itself.

                  Have you also looked at the availability of apples and the correlation with people who choke on apples?

                  “You’re never going to be able to outgun the US federal government, so that excuse is masturbatory horseshit.”

                  Does the term “insurgency” mean anything to you in reference to Iraq?

                  “If only criminals had sticks, all you’d need is a knife.”

                  The stats I’m seeing show that there are more than 300 million guns in the United States. How long will it take you to confiscate them all, and do you plan to do so over the objections of the American people?

                  1. With armed agents of the state of course.

                    1. California is having a hard time with that–even when they know who has the guns!

                      “A representative for then-Attorney General Kamala Harris said eliminating a backlog that had grown to nearly 20,000 people was her “top priority” and estimated it could be done in three years.

                      Six years later, the state has been able to cut the list only in half. As of July, the backlog of people whose guns should be confiscated totaled about 9,000.”

                      —-San Francisco Chronicle

                      February 18, 2019

                      http://www.sfchronicle.com/pol…..624039.php

                      If the federal government wanted to confiscate all 300 million guns from the American people, how successful are they likely to be?

                      Certainly not to the point where the criminals are only left with “sticks” as Tony says.

                    2. If they were to attempt to confiscate all 300 million guns from the American people, it would be interesting to see if their attitude toward border security changed. Because guns, magazines, and ammo would pour across the southern border.

                    3. I am impressed that the same people convinced deporting 30 something million illegals is impossible thinks taking guns away is doable.

                  2. do you plan to do so over the objections of the American people?

                    Definitely! When making an omelette, the eggs don’t break themselves.

                  3. do you plan to do so over the objections of the American people?

                    Definitely! When making an omelette, the eggs don’t break themselves.

                5. Tony|2.22.19 @ 12:24PM|#
                  “I think guns should be heavily restricted for the same reason you think they should be readily available: they are tools whose sole purpose is to kill people.”

                  Opinions from brain-dead lefties are to be ignored when considering policy.

                6. You’re never going to be able to outgun the US federal government
                  Tell that to the Afghanis, the Vietnamese, the Colonials in 1775 you dumb stupid.
                  Also, the point of the possibility of armed resistance by citizens is not to DEFEAT the government, but to INCREASE THE COST OF TYRANNY, you dumb stupid.

                7. If only criminals had sticks, all you’d need is a knife.

                  Criminals all too frequently use guns to attack completely unarmed people. And if I have a knife, rest assured the criminals will use a gun to counter it. Especially because your notion of the criminals having nothing but sticks is utopian claptrap.

                  To the extent that there is an “arms race”, it is initiated by the criminals who after all are the ones on offense.

                  1. If sticks were outlawed, only outlaws would have sticks

                8. You’re never going to be able to outgun the US federal government, so that excuse is masturbatory horseshit.

                  You aren’t going to meet them on the battlefield and defeat them. But as a bunch of assholes in Afghanistand and Iraq have shown, you can fight them for a long time. And that’s in other countries, where the soldiers don’t have the moral problem of being ordered to kill your fellow citizens to be concerned with.

                  1. Most soldiers will not support a leftist govt. leader telling them to crack down on civilians in the name of whatever marxist bullshit they’re spouting.

            4. You really are stupid. You can’t even use Google.

              Crime Prevention Research Center 8/30/2018 using the same definition of mass public shootings that Adam Lankford used.

              Even when we use coding choices that are most charitable to Lankford, such as excluding any cases of insurgencies or battles over territory, his estimate of the US share of shooters falls from 31 percent to 1.43 percent. It also accounts for 2.1 percent of murders, and 2.88 percent of their attacks. All these are much less than the United States’ 4.6 percent share of the population.

              Of the 86 countries where we have identified mass public shootings, the US ranks 56th per capita in its rate of attacks and 61st in mass public shooting murder rate. Norway, Finland, Switzerland and Russia all have at least 45 percent higher rates of murder from mass public shootings than the United States.”

              We just don’t hear about other countries because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

              1. Yup. But even IF it were true, it would have nothing to do with guns. We have ALWAYS had tons of guns. My dad brought his to school as a kid, because they did shooting classes after school with the PE teachers. No mass shootings then…

                IMO it is a combo of the media making all these people famous, and probably just the general fucked-upedness of our society. But guns themselves are not the problem.

    2. Poor Ken. Stuck going through life knowing that people find things interesting.

      1. How’s it feel to see Tony say something smarter than you?

        1. Doesn’t bother me at all. How does it feel to agree with Tony for the second time?

        2. Damn, lol.

  11. Last year I saw a post on social media by Leftists that argues that speech like this fails the Brandenburg tests and therefore is not only not protected by the 1st Amendment but also justifies “punch a Nazi” violence on the grounds that it is “self-defense”. This is ridiculously wrong in several ways but it’s what they’re going with.

    1. Leftists on Social Media are a shit show.

      I’d say it’s worse than Robby’s post except professional journalists should know better.

      If there’s anything rational to learn from this incident maybe it’s that journalists who obsessed over the hoax itself should be ashamed of themselves.

      1. I think they’ve had their sense of shame surgically removed.

      2. Leftists on Social Media are a shit show.

        One more reason to pine for the good old days, when conservatives (and Republican Party officials) were passing around images of the Obamas with bones through their noses, as chimpanzees, or chasing buckets of fried chicken.

        Carry on, clingers.

        1. Oooh he mad!!! Ken made him mad!!!

        2. lol Obama ate a dog. A fucking dog. The guy you voted for for president ate a dog.

          1. Trump eats expensive steak with ketchup. That’s worse.

            1. (shudder) I have to go along with you on that.

              1. Well, one is an irrational feeling of “aww cute puppy” and the other is a crime against gastronomy.

                1. I confess to an irrational bias of my own: I can’t fucking stand ketchup on anything. If somebody put ketchup on my steak–even a cheap cut–I’ll slap the taste buds right out of his mouth. (Granted, if he’s putting ketchup on steak somebody probably already did that.)

                  1. Had a date once with a gal who put ketchup on her scrambled eggs. Talk about a buzz kill

                2. Gastronomy. Another reminder of the fact that even though your old wrinkled ass hasn’t fucked anyone in twenty years you are still cringily queenish.

            2. No. It isn’t. And you know it which is why you’re so upset about it.

            3. “Trump eats expensive steak with ketchup. That’s worse.”

              And just above, you were pointing out how anecdotes are irrelevant.
              If you didn’t talk out of both sides of your mouth, you wouldn’t say a word.

              1. You don’t even know what the word anecdote means?

                1. Is that French for “I’ll have the dog platter”?

                  1. Tulpa, carrying the baton for the “aww cute aminal” vegetarian argument. It’s funny what you can get up to here.

                    1. You’re on the wrong side of history dog-eater.

                2. “You don’t even know what the word anecdote means?”

                  OK, class, this is called “projection”; blaming a personal failure on another.

            4. How the fuck would you know what goes well with an expensive steak?

              Obama at a dog.

              1. Yes, Obama ate a dog in Indonesia.

                We learned this after discovering that Romney had strapped his dog to the roof of the family car and drove it halfway across the country.

                Is this the manner in which our leaders are chosen?

                The journalists who brought these incidents to our attention should all be ashamed of themselves. If they aren’t, let’s help them.

                One of the things you can do? When you go to a streaming service, check out Philo and Sling. I don’t think Philo has any cable news to speak of at all, and Sling only gives you CNN with the standard package. I wish I could opt out of that!

                When you look at cable news, the audience for their shows is much smaller than the number of cable subscribers out there. I want to drain the news swamp for reals! We don’t have to pay for Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, etc. if we don’t want to! The more we switch to streaming services that gives us the ability to opt out of cable news, the more “journalists” end up becoming insurance salesmen, which is what they should be doing rather turning American politics into a shit show for retards.

            5. What’s with all the ketchup hate?

              Somebody bitched about it on eggs… That’s THE ONLY way to fly. Other than maybe salsa.

              But ketchup is a magical condiment, useful for many things.

              I would never put it on steak, but it’s awesome on damn near everything else. So you haters can fuck right off!

              BONUS QUESTION: For those that freak out about it on steak… What about BBQ sauce on steak? Acceptable, or no? I don’t really do it on purpose, I just cook my steaks right with proper seasoning, but BBQ sauce isn’t horrible on steaks.

          2. If someone served me dog, I’d give it a try. I’ve heard it’s not very good, though.

            1. Go to Puerto Rico.

              Pinchos. Dog on a stick.

              Tastes like the McRib or chicken depending on how its seasoned.

            2. I don’t think I could do it unless I were starving.

              Dogs are such AWESOME animals. You can’t eat them. It’s like eating other people or something, except worse, because dogs are better than most people!

              Cows, chickens, etc who gives a fuck? They suck. Pigs are also actually smart and decent critters… But they taste SO damn good, and aren’t as cute as dogs. But most animals are just not cool, cute, smart, or interesting, which is why we don’t mind eating them.

        3. “One more reason to pine for the good old days, when conservatives (and Republican Party officials) were passing around images of the Obamas with bones through their noses, as chimpanzees, or chasing buckets of fried chicken.”

          Are you saying that it’s important to remember that right-wing social media is also a shit show for some reason?

          What is the reason?

          1. I think his point was to illustrate that the right wing makes better memes?

            LOL 🙂

        4. I’m sorry. Did you say something?

    2. Enjoy Every Sandwich, so I guess this means that “shoot the guy who is about to punch the Nazi” is the next step in the self-defense chain of logic.

      1. Not in mine, and not in the eyes of the law. But I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens.

      2. If those two Hispanic marines that were beaten by the Antifa mob had shot their attackers, they would have been justified to do so under the principle of self-defense.

        1. Yeah, in that case the concept of disparity of force would apply.

  12. “”Our enemies ? rapists and their defenders ? not only go unpunished; they remain influential arbiters of morality; they have high and esteemed places in the society; […] Dworkin said in a lecture […] After Trump’s election, the Brett Kavanaugh hearings, and revelations of predation by men including Roger Ailes, Harvey Weinstein, Les Moonves, Larry Nassar and countless figures in the Catholic Church, her words seem frighteningly perceptive.”

    These people are completely fucking insane. Listing Larry Nassar alongside Trump and Kavanaugh? My god.

    1. oops wrong article

      1. Eh, still works.

  13. Protesting hoaxes–is there anything more futile?

    If it turns out that the guy protesting the hoax hired whomever attacked him, will that make any difference to anybody? If so, why?

    1. If he did hire him, hopefully he wasn’t stupid enough to write the guy a check.

      1. “And I better get a receipt for that chlorine and rope, or you guys don’t get paid!”

  14. Come on, progressives: violence isn’t the answer. Terrorism isn’t the answer. It’s self-defeating. Don’t give everyone a great reason to hate all of you.

    1. Too late, bruh.

    2. Come on, progressives: violence isn’t the answer.
      Every true progressive government from the Paris Commune onwards begs to differ…

    3. Violence is very often the answer. The left knows this. I just think they’re miscalculating in this instance.

      Commies may have taken over some countries by force, but they got their asses handed to them in lots of other countries. The USA is definitely one of the countries where they will get their asses handed to them. So I say let them bring it.

  15. The real question in my mind is: Is the guy throwing the punch going to be prosecuted by the legal system for assault and battery? I hope Williams presses charges.

    1. He needs a good talking-to, hopefully by a trained safe-space counselor, perhaps while gently clutching a fuzzy teddy bear.

      1. Nice euphemisms!

    2. He needs to be sentenced to wear a MAGA and volunteer for Trump’s campaign.

  16. “Our commitment to freedom of expression and belief is unwavering.”

    Fuck off you lying sack of shit.

  17. Wait, there are conservatives at Berkeley? Where? In the campus zoo?

    1. Sure, there are conservatives at Berkeley.

      Some right-wingers talk big but choose (for themselves or their children) the strong liberal-libertarian schools they claim to disdain, rejecting the shambling right-wing campuses they claim to admire.

      Other right-wingers demonstrate principles and consistency by choosing the likes of Regent, Hillsdale, Biola, Ouachita Baptist, and Wheaton, with the predictable downscale consequences associated with conservative-controlled schools.

      1. Some right-wingers talk big but choose (for themselves or their children) the strong liberal-libertarian schools they claim to disdain, rejecting the shambling right-wing campuses they claim to admire.

        You can’t subvert the enemy unless you’re in his environment.

      2. “Some right-wingers talk big but choose (for themselves or their children) the strong liberal-libertarian schools they claim to disdain, rejecting the shambling right-wing campuses they claim to admire.”

        Hoping against hope to bring some amount of sanity back to those campuses, asshole

        1. Or, perhaps, seeking education in a field best taught at some such campus. There is more to an educational choice than assessing the political atmosphere of a campus, though that is clearly a consideration.

    2. Heh. +1

  18. The idea that words are themselves violence is regrettably popular among student activists.

    It’s even more regrettable that many believe *thoughts* are themselves violence.

    1. It’s almost as if George Orwell was on to something with 1984

      1. I expect to see that book banned.

        1. no. required reading as an operating manual.

          1. Yes, re-imagined as a Utopia, it can still be quite useful.

      2. What’s crazy, is you could almost just tell people that the story is about a wayward soul who goes wrong… And it’s about how ultimately Big Brother helps to save him from his own evil.

        Some people would actually buy that explanation.

  19. The idea that words are themselves violence is regrettably popular among student activists.

    Blame Seether

    1. Seether sighting in the wild! This is the high-quality commenting that brings me back.

  20. I blame democrat leadership: the horrible things they’ve said about conservatives and republicans. They’ve incited so many, it was only a matter of time. When will we stop the hate and get rid of those people?

    1. When Rodney King becomes president.

      1. Now there’s an idea whose time has come.

        1. He’s dead, Jim.

          1. So much the better.
            Kind of guarantees a lack of scandal, to say nothing of pulpit bullying, bad-law-signing, and the various other crimes against humanity presidents get up to.
            Run that sucker!

    2. KILL ALL THE VIOLENT PEOPLE!

  21. “…accusing Williams of “fucking encouraging violence” just before the man in the black shirt attacks him.”

    There you go; guess the guy had it coming to him…

    1. Don’t wanna get hit by a violent thug, don’t fucking encourage violence like a violent thug.

  22. “The University of California Police Department is attempting to identify the attacker, and a spokesperson for the university said it would take action if he turns out to be a student.”

    So, some kind of progressive achievement award?

    1. You’re mistaking a strong educational institution for a Trump rally, you half-educated, bigoted rube.

      1. Hey Art, meet you at high noon in that plaza. Be there or be square.

      2. Strong educational institution? Who talks like this- CS-Baskerfield grads.

    2. a spokesperson for the university said it would take action if he turns out to be a student.

      Holy Fucking Title IX batman! Could you imagine if the assailant waltzed onto campus, raped a coed and left?

      Do we, for one minute, think the University’s policy would be “*If* he turns out to be a student, then we’ll do something about it.”?

      The spokesperson would be tarred and feathered to chants of “End rape culture!”

  23. As a liberal alumni, this is a disgusting attack against Free Speech on Sproul Plaza, among the original epicenters of the Free Speech Movement. There are all sorts of crazies trying to attract attention there. Foisting an attack on someone with a sign (anywhere but particularly here) is a retrograde, degenerative act.

    1. Alumnus or alumna. Alumni is plural, Bezerkeley grad.

        1. It’s Hihn.

          Meaning there are at least 3 personalities rattling around in his skull, all liberal, so ‘alumni’ is the correct term.

          1. Ok, you got that one.

            1. But ‘an alumni’ is still improper usage.

      1. Zes can identify as plural if zes want.

    2. I have to demur if slightly: Sproul Plaza was THE epicenter of the FSM in 1964. A somewhat motley band led by Mario Savio, Jack Weinberg, Bettina Aptheker and several others sparked a wildfire over the now seemingly simple idea that students should be able to engage in free political expression in the open plaza. Of course, even then they were basically looking at students from the center leftward, but conservative students did take advantage of the gains at the time. Now? The spirit of free speech in Sproul Plaza is dead. The Berkeley radicals who birthed it have killed it.

      1. The left’s approach to free speech is entirely consistent with their approach to elections – one man, one vote, one time.

        1. Unless we don’t like the outcome. Then we find ballot boxes in trunks of cars and in the mail.

      2. The spirit of ‘free speech’ at Sproul Plaza was ALWAYS ‘let the left speak unopposed’. It has never been anything but.

        Pretending that it was otherwise is what got us here–where the left uses violence to crush it’s opposition without fear of retaliation.

  24. So signs stating the Captain Obvious fact that Smollett was perpetuating a hoax gets the libbies in a twist?

    I mean what other completely obvious reality provokes them>? Lets have a contest

  25. Gavin McInnes gave a speech no problem at Berkeley. he also had the Proud Boys protecting him. Lesson learned. If you are going to preach conservatism in libtardia bring muscle.

  26. Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

    I hope bullyboi gets a good hard taste of the system.

    1. Has he been arrested, suspended, expelled? I have heard nothing. If the roles were reversed he would be tied to a stake and the fire would be starting.

      If nothing happens, it would be okay if a couple of Proud Boys beats him down, right?

  27. Oh, these poor little snowflakes. They think words are violence! God forbid they have the opportunity to experience some REAL violence…but if it ever happens, I will laugh myself into a hernia.

  28. Serious stuff here; a conservative Berkeley student?
    Where is the endangered species act when you need it?

    1. The so-called “assault” was simply a wildlife officer trying to bag and tag him.

      1. Wildlife officers are much better trained than the self-loathing child who threw that unprovoked haymaker.

  29. The reality is we have people who think they are morally superior and able to do whatever they think they want and justify it as “self defense”. Progressives have embraced the tactics of fascism, like the use of violence, and they pretend they are only “protecting everyone”. Their rhetoric is no different than the Nazis and yet they have the gall to label conservatives as Nazis. Clearly the guy is a student and I hope he is not only jailed, but expelled. His body language from the start is aggressive and he was clearly attempting to use intimidation. Conservatives think they have to accept such behavior because any act by them will be portrayed in the media as aggression. However, the time is quickly coming when conservatives will realize they are going to lose the argument in the media no matter what and there for it is time to fight back. The other thing I always find interesting is the person attacking is always at an advantage. In this case, the guy throwing the punch outweighed his victim by at least 50-60 pounds. The defenseless are always who leftist choose to attack and always in locations they believe they are “safe” from police or other authorities.

  30. So… the protester “is encouraging violence”, yet some punk ass punches him in the face.

    I doubt Berkeley Police will do anything but that punk bitch will get a life lesson going around punching people.

    There is always someone tougher than you out there.

    He’ll be butt raped in prison by the time he is 30 years old.

  31. These situations are what concealed carry is for.

    1. Don’t they teach smirking at Berkeley?

    2. But in California, there is no second amendment state wide, not just airports and government bunkers.
      Which is why instead of a nice formal duel, we have street assaults with fists.

      What is required to suppress this violence is a little common sense hand control. A simple license, training to properly use a fist, and felony convictions for taking a fist or fist components (fingers, palms, etc) outside the home.

  32. How long did it take to identify the bike-lock asshole? Wasn’t it something like a week?

    -jcr

    1. The problem is the shit lib prosecutors and judges basically let that guy off with barely a slap on the wrist. Even the ACTUAL court system is completely perverted politically in some parts of the country now.

  33. It’s time to bring the troops home from Afghanistan, and deploy them to defend freedom in Berkeley.

    1. As you may have noticed, there is no freedom at Berkeley – – – – – – – –

  34. UPDATE: Just watched Robby on Fox News trashing hate crime hoaxes/statistics. His hair was perfect! (later spotted drinking a Pina Calada at Trader Vic’s).

  35. Of course the left has to be violent because they know that they have no substance to their arguments.

  36. Seriously? I love Reason, but are you kidding me? Did you learn nothing from Covington? Your video has literally ZERO context. The video starts with some dude just walking up and literally started punching people in the face out of the blue??? Where is the offending sign that supposedly brought him to such a fit of hulk rage that he started punching people the moment he saw it? What was said to him that he started punching people out? Who are the people? Who are the “good” guys and who are the “bad” guys? Seriously?

    I guess you’re like all the other outlets that you pretend to look down on for their partisanship. You posted a video with zero context and the headline designed to induce the rage in your readers that you always accuse the left and right of fomenting. I really expected better. If it’s true please revel in your partisan hatred of the left (and the right), but if this turns out to be a bullshit I hope you print a retraction.

    1. Not bad, but you are going to have to learn how to edit better if you want to take OBL’s crown.

    2. And if it doesn’t…?

    3. wja1969|2.22.19 @ 8:32PM|#
      “Seriously? I love Reason, but are you kidding me?”

      Seriously? Are you that fucking stupid?

    4. How does a dumbass like you remember how and when to breathe?

      The Covington incident used no-context footage to smear high school kids as racists. This video shows someone cursing at and punching another guy in the face and the article says it’s a video of some dude cursing at and punching another guy in the face.

    5. wja1969….

      I’m sure if you go to U-Tube there will be 18 different angles of this altercation shot by 18 different people….

  37. Our outrage culture is to blame. And the asshole who threw the punch. And that a-hole is not a student of UC Berkeley! Not the Left. Not the right. Not President Trump. Not Senator Warren. Resist the insanity created by information overload. As a side question, I know ironic, what is the conservative student’s major? Berkeley is a super hard school to get into. I am just curious how conservative students correlate to certain majors. I was an engineering major myself.

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  42. Democrats say when conservatives speak, it’s a hate crime inciting violence. When Antifa attacks, it’s engaging in freedom of speech.

  43. Why the fake outrage? Conservatives are absolute advocates of the initiation of coercive, harmful and deadly force–just like the other half of the entrenched Kleptocracy. I’m sure their motives are altruistic, so here’s their chance to finance government stadiums. Let ’em fight it out in a government stadium with swords, mace and spears and I’ll buy the first round of popcorn.

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  45. “If words are violence, then punching somebody who says something offensive isn’t wrong; it’s just self-defense.” Is it a coincidence that high school kids who are ‘bullied’ in the form of verbal attacks have become more likely to bring a gun to school and blow away their ‘assaulters’? I don’t think so.

    1. You make a good comment for eliminating government schools because they allow bullying, talking back to teachers, and aren’t much different than day jail for a lot of kids. While the free market creates schools that parents and students want. Yeah, I’m not surprised kids in government day jail bring guns.

      Ask yourself, why is there such a movement among liberals to make speech a criminal offense depending upon how it is interpreted? And ask yourself, do you want the freedom to speak, or are you willing to give others the right to make your speech a crime for which you’ll be punched by the government?

      I learned in kindergarten that sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me. Seems half the country thinks this lesson is no longer true. Those who react to words with violence are morally inferior, and they don’t see themselves. IMHO the last thing a liberal wants is to acknowledge is that they are morally inferior, yet they keep reacting that way.

  46. ter?ror?ism
    /?ter??riz?m/
    noun
    the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

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  48. How much longer before the right starts taking the offensive in these types of situations and shit really spirals out of control?

    I don’t think these bloviating left wing pussies know what they’re doing.

  49. I couldn’t find video or any other source saying Turning Point had a “This is MAGA country” sign there. Can you provide the source for that information in your article?

  50. The FBI can identify this punk in a second. That’s a very good picture. His biometric data is in a federal database. He looks like he is old enough to drive. They are deliberately dragging their feet. I think they are hoping the media doesn’t run with it. It’s too late. All people need to do is keep the story alive and keep talking about it. They will be forced to throw him under the bus at some point. The UC UC-Berkeley police are a joke. The Feds should pick this up as a hate crime.

  51. Why is that most of the time the extreme radical leftists are doing something stupid in the news, it’s almost always at Berkeley, NYC, or Harvard? I have half a mind to disown my kids if they apply to one of these three schools at this point!

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