Watch Bernie Sanders' Red, Frowning Face as Trump Slams Socialism During SOTU

Sanders is an avowed democratic socialist.

During his State of the Union address on Tuesday night, President Donald Trump decried socialism, claiming that the U.S. "will never be a socialist country." Avowed democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) had an interesting response.

Trump was discussing the situation in Venezuela, where his administration has recognized opposition leader Juan Guaidó as the nation's new president, rather than Nicolás Maduro. "We stand with the Venezuelan people in their noble quest for freedom—and we condemn the brutality of the Maduro regime, whose socialist policies have turned that nation from being the wealthiest in South America into a state of abject poverty and despair," Trump said.

"Here, in the United States, we are alarmed by new calls to adopt socialism in our country. America was founded on liberty and independence—not government coercion, domination, and control," he added. "We are born free, and we will stay free. Tonight, we renew our resolve that America will never be a socialist country."

As Trump was discussing socialism, the camera panned to Sanders, who seemed to have a frown on his face:

President Donald Trump slams socialism: "America was founded on liberty and Independence and not government coercion, domination, and control. We are born free and we will stay free."

"America will never be a socialist country."

Bernie Sanders has a massive frown on his face pic.twitter.com/dY0D2J2CKJ

— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) February 6, 2019

Here's a still shot:

The Vermont independent and potential 2020 presidential candidate supports a range of socialist-leaning policies, from Medicare for All to a massive expansion of the estate tax.

For more on Sanders' policies, go here.

Comments

[No Longer Amused]

Lets just be honest about the whole thing and call Sanders a "Marxist Stooge"...

[Last of the Shitlords]

Yes, he is quite the pinko.

[Last of the Shitlords]

It would have been even better if in the middle of it Sanders stood up pointing angrily at Trump, his hand shaking with rage. Then clutched at his chest and keeled over.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland]

Unfortunately for malcontents, the people keeling over and taking their stale thinking to the grave are stale right-wingers, who are being replaced in our electorate by younger, better Americans every day. An America is becoming less rural, less religious, less white, and less bigoted is a great America, getting better as conservative aspirations are vanquished in already settled the culture war.

[Nardz]

Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[Titanian]

The Democratic Party has an age problem - CNNPolitics - CNN.com
CNN.com ' The average age of a Democratic member of Congress has topped 61 years old

[Hank Phillips]

The pro-choice Libertarian Party will soon turn 48. In about that many more years the logistical replacement curve indicates we should just about elbow aside one of the geezer looter parties and take its place.

[DenverJ]

Yawn

[David Emami]

Whoever wrote the RALK script, it's not doing a good job of passing the Turing test. At all. It clearly has no ability to analyze the topic of conversation, so most of the time the output it generates is a glaring non-sequitur, like this one. You need a more-sophisticated algorithm than "concatenate 2-4 random anti-right insults and 2-4 random pro-left kudos."

[NashTiger]

Orange Man Bad?

[Lurker Jack]

Better

[LiborCon]

Red Man Mad at Bad Orange Man?

[khm001]

"An America is becoming less rural, less religious, less white, and less bigoted is a great America, getting better"

This is an amazing statement showing just how great the lack of self-awareness democrats have. Democrats are bigoted against rural, religious, and white people, claiming getting rid of them makes America better, but claims this obvious and clear bigotry means a "less bigoted" America. Ha! You can't make this stuff up.

It's crazy how the calls to get rid of white people isn't considered racist.

FYI, Kirk, white people built this country. White people are the ONLY people to ever build peaceful prosperous nations, where the typical person can expect to live in immense wealth. Without white people, America becomes just like all the other countries run by non-whites, i.e., the US becomes just another unremarkable third world shithole.

[Black Richard]

Is there anywhere you don't troll? 🙁

[dan'o en barrel]

Yea, the politics of envy and free shit is fresh, ground-breaking thought.

[Jack Klompus Magic Ink]

Unfortunately you have yet to buy a gun and shoot yourself in the face.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Booooo! Hisssss!

Actually, maybe it's time to say it, he's actually a pretty decent President.

'Better people'? Who? Like Omar? Anti-semite idiot who piled on the Covington kid and allegedly married to her brother and already used her position of power improperly? AOC and her "takes" on morality and utter abject ignorance? Harris? The chick who slept around and went after poor people for truancy?

They - and Sanders - ARE ILLIBERAL. Do you understand?

If that's better in your world....I pity you.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

The Temptation of Trolls: you know the likes of the "Rev" are here to do nothing more than spout off some obnoxious bromides in order to get angry responses, and yet you cannot help but retort with all sorts of invective. For some reason I cannot comprehend they enjoy that sort of thing.

[Hank Phillips]

Tony and the Rev are outnumbered 30 to 1 by unemployable Republican prohibitionists and girl-bulliers spouting bromides no less obnoxious and way less literate. Like the soldiers in a Remarque novel, I enjoy watching from the bleachers and rooting for both sides to draw blood.

[NashTiger]

"girl-bulliers"? Like Lt Gov Fairfax?

I guess if Mao and Stalin were in hand to hand combat with 30 GIs, you'd root for them as well?

[mpercy]

"and less bigoted"

Except for Democratic office holders in Virginia, where blackface is apparently the costume de rigueur.

And for those enlightened enough to forgo the bigoted buffoonery, sexual assault or infanticide suffices to highlight their Democratic values.

[Hank Phillips]

Somebody cover little Percy's eyes lest he be triggered by a rerun of Blazing Saddles!

[Enemy of the State]

Better if he'd taken his shoe off, banged on the seat in front of him and hollered "We will bury you!"...

[JWatts]

+1, that would have been the moment of a life time

[John C. Randolph]

I prefer "commie rat bastard".

-jcr

[Last of the Shitlords]

Blue man turn red?

[Deconstructed Potato]

He's red all the way through.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Just how I like my steaks, salty and medium rare.

[Paloma]

Bernie is red in more ways than one. Still a feel good moment.

[MarioLanza]

Bernie and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez call themselves "Democratic Socialists" but all socialist countries start out with Lenin's and Mao's and Maduro's promising lots of "free" stuff to the people who vote for these guys then tthe "democratic" part becomes a farce.

[CarLitGuy]

Tsk, tsk. Bernie has already abandoned Venezuela with the all too common act of handwaving, "Not true Socialism".

Give it time, he'll find another shining beacon of the Socialist experiment to hold up as an ideal until it goes, inevitably, bad. He's hardly alone as a politician in divorcing experience from fairy tale.

if there's a story here, its that our newly elected (D) socialists aren't aware enough to join him in distancing themselves from Maduro. In their mind, its still America's fault that the failing state of Venezuela is so corrupt, just as the innumerable Socialist state exampless before it. Its almost as if humans are the problem the Socialist system of Government fails to solve.

[Paloma]

Even the socialist country of Albania has backed Guaido and disavowed Maduro. As well as Canada, the European Union, the Organization of American States, Chilean socialist Michelle Bachelet, and Isabel Allende, the niece of Salvador Allende.

It's not too hard to see who the hard line Marxists are.

[CDRSchafer]

When you've lost Albania . . .

[Austen Heller]

But we won that war. I saw it in a doc. Jim Belushi was in it. He was Albanian.

[Enemy of the State]

Isn't that where Bill's wife risked her life dodging bullets?

[dan'o en barrel]

I keep hearing that Bern got the boot from a commune for not carrying his weight. Anyone know if that story is legit?

[DenverJ]

Sure, why not

[DaveSs]

Kinda legit
He didn't exactly go to the commune to stay and live.

If I understand correctly he went there to get some info for an article about natural childbirth for some sort of socialist paper.

When he wasn't dealing with questions about birthing he sorta wandered around and interrupted people who were doing actual work to bother them about politics.

So they asked him to leave because he was bothering everyone.

[Trainer]

So the ideologue kept interrupting the idealists and they didn't like it. What commune? The Farm?

[Last of the Shitlords]

Real story. They even interviewed the guy who had to tel him to get out. Basically he was a layabout, and also kept others from doing commune chores. So after three days he got the boot.

[Lurker Kurt]

I read that several times during the 2016 campaign.

Bernie liked to talk. A lot. But he wasn't so keen on the manual labor part involved in keeping a commune active and solvent.

As far as I know, it has never been disputed.

[WhoLivesOnCredibilityStre]

Fantastic statement about liberty and about Socialism. Loved it. Now, more Liberty and less socialism, please!

[Joe M]

Haha, thanks for sharing a true highlight from what I'm sure was an otherwise stultifying speech.

[Overt]

The GOP should create a commercial with Trump saying that line- specifically calling out how Venezuela has turned into a shit hole, and then while he is saying this, cut to all the Republicans clapping, and then show ALL of the Democrats who sit there seething and declining to clap. You cannot pick a better video to show just how stark the difference in philosophies is (even if both parties seem to make the same leviathan government when given the chance).

[NashTiger]

Someone put the Curb Your Enthusiasm music over a pan in shot of Bernie. That would work in the commercial

[Longtobefree]

We won't get fooled again?
The times they are a changin?
Imagine?
Eve of destruction?
the list goes on and on

[Paloma]

Total Eclipse of the Heart?

[Austen Heller]

Fool on the Hill

[Lurker Jack]

Trees
Tom Sawyer
Hell, all of Rush

[dpbisme]

Trump is a fun guy because when he speaks the LEFTISTS who think they are smarter and morally superior, heads more or less explode.

I mean he is a jerk and probably should not twitter and speak ever again but he has done great things for the country, He sure surprised me.

When the Democrats get in charge next time and try to destroy the economy with regs, rules, and taxs, Then .outlaw firearms, personal property, and the internal combustion machine. So many people are going to miss him.

[granite state destroyer]

"Trump slams Socialism"

Trump has about as much moral standing to slam socialism as Boris Yeltsin railing about the failings of the West. Failed businessmen who have never met an authoritarian corrupt government they don't love, and who think eminent domain should be a key part of a developer's repertoire are not the greatest advocates for the glories of the Free Market. Sanders is pissed at Trump for stealing his populist rhetoric, and taking the funds Putin should have earmarked for Bernie, not because Trump is actually an enemy of socialism

[Quo Usque Tandem]

I don't give a fly'n what Trump says; yeah, he's a narcissistic jerk, but there are certainly some silver linings you cannot ignore:

1. HRC is not the POTUS.
2. Neil Gorsuch is a Supreme Court Justice.
3. Brett Kavanaugh " " " " "
4. More appointments to the federal judiciary than any president ever, with more to come [141 vacancies, 51 in the pipeline, 90 more to go]
5. Very likely a third Supreme Court Justice when RBG dies of metastatic lung cancer [I giver her 6 months to a year, tops]

These judges will serve for at least two generations. That is how progressive dreams die.

[hayek > friedman]

hey dude. this is a libertarian website, not conservative. The triumph of MAGA trash over the Sandernistas on the left is nothing to celebrate.

Only a white male would celebrate HRC being defeated by Trump. Everyone else, however, understands that HRC far from perfect or even greatness, but certainly was better for non-white peoples' liberty - if you care about that, which is debatable with a lot of your stereotypical white, male libertarians. but yeah, emails or benghazi or something.

[Deconstructed Potato]

Straw men getting burned to the ground by someone's sock. Hillary "bring them to heel" Clinton absolutely doesn't give a shit about anyone's liberty, and demonstrably not those pesky minorities.

[Lurker Jack]

It's funny in a very sad way that it claims hayek as it's moniker. A dem that actually cares about non-whites past vote buying schemes? Tell me another funny story Grandpa.

[hayek > friedman]

hey look, trash. hayek supporter government provided healthcare among other things. If you're not an anarcho capitalist, meaning, if you support any sort of centralized state, to that degree, you support socialism. get over it.

[hayek > friedman]

again, it appears you are confusing a straw man fallacy with another. Perhaps you thought i was implying an ad hominen fallacy above. you should really get this straight before posting about it, otherwise you just like, again, that classic freshman douche who just wrapped up logic 101 and thinks he's the next Mises.

[Rossami]

Trump has plenty of moral standing to slam socialism. Trump is a crony-capitalist at heart. That's the eminent domain connection. Crony-capitalism is it's own evil but it's a very different evil from socialism.

[loveconstitution1789]

Plus, maybe he took something from the eminent domain loss that he was wrong and changed that part of his behavior.

I am much more willing to believe that a guy like Trump walked the fence for decades and then decided he want to implement Libertarian-ish policies as President than a life-long Democrats suddenly find Libertarianism.

Even Stossel (A long-time Democrat) says things that still have a Lefty-taint to them. Its great that Stossel says a bunch of Libertarian things but I don't think he 100% is on board.

[Lurker Kurt]

Trump is a fun guy because when he speaks the LEFTISTS who think they are smarter and morally superior, heads more or less explode.

And this is part of the reason he got elected. He calls a spade a spade and he fights back at the Democrats.

[tommyguns2]

"He calls a spade a spade..."

Racism, racism, racism!! Ahhhhhhh!

[hayek > friedman]

"leftists call me racist alot" - hmm, maybe it's because you're a racist. Or maybe because there's this huge, vast conspiracy of leftists with vastly greater academic achievements than yours, who want nothing more than to keep you down, random white dude.

What is the simpler explanation? Occam's razor anyone?

[Deconstructed Potato]

He never claimed anything about a "vast conspiracy". The definition of "racism" is ever mutable and subjective but has crept over time and so many people who don't keep up and reserve the right to speak as plainly as they please are often judged in bad faith to be "racist" by people reacting to words or even an innocuous, ambiguous facial expression out of context, without ever actually engaging in any meaningful discussion.

[hayek > friedman]

in his case, it's most probable that if he's called racist a lot, he's probably racist. are there social media mob reactions? do people get overreact about things. certainly. but, still, i'm gonna guys tommguns2 has no post secondary degree, is actually racist, and secretly supports Trump.

[NashTiger]

People call you a stupid evil douche a lot....

[Vaelyn]

If you do that on a mirror in a dark room with only a candle to light it, Al Sharpton will appear and call you a cracker.

[hayek > friedman]

hey look, white trash! howdy, cletus!

[hayek > friedman]

in other words, rights and normalcy for non whites, LGBTQ, immigrants, etc don't matter to you. You'd trade those to make democrats angry. What a well thought out, mature approach to politics. You should be proud. Praise an bad man because....schadenfreude. seriously. re-think your life. considering whether someone else might be better off if you were gone.

[Deconstructed Potato]

Do you understand anything about libertarian positions on positive rights? Do you realise that you are arguing for a destructive system of ever more convoluted and conflicted identity politics which by it's very nature is entirely in bad faith. Why do you suppose people are concerned about their basic, natural rights of free expression, freedom of association, and freedom to do as they please, peacefully abiding by the NAP? You come here to put words in others' mouths, to tell people what they think and why they think it, and ever so cynically define their motivation. You are likely jist a malcontent or a troll who's designs are on introducing rancor and disruption here, but, despte that high probability, I have engaged you in good faith in an actual discussion, if you have any worthwhile response beyond non sequitur and straw men.

[hayek > friedman]

yes, i'm gonna go ahead and guess i understand it better than you.

"Do you realise that you are arguing for a destructive system of ever more convoluted and conflicted identity politics which by it's very nature is entirely in bad faith."

- i know that's the assertion you want to prove to be true.

I am here to troll crass libertarians who are nothing but racist conservatives, who maybe voted for Ron Paul once.

Also, while we're talking about the NAP. You must admit that if you support any form of State, you support violation of the NAP to a certain degree. Want the govevernment to tax money and spend it on national defense? you support socialism, and the violation of the NAP.

This level of nuance and distinction seems to be lost on your average poster here.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Get wreckt, shitlib.

[hayek > friedman]

wow, cletus. you're really owning the libtards.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

You're definitely Kunta Kinte.

[hayek > friedman]

i see what you did there, trashley. Clever, girl.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Your name is Toby.

[Trainer]

He doesn't just have socialist leanings who "supports a range of socialist-leaning policies", he is a proud and avowed socialist.

[Fats of Fury]

The thought bubble on Bernie says "I'll give you my socialism when you pry it from my cold, dead shit stained fingers"

[granite state destroyer]

No, it says "Putin loved me first, damn it!"

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Is that you, Hillary?

[Migrant Log Chipper]

Of course the dipshit loves socialism, his first regular job was mayor of Burlington and he hasn't left the government teat since. With any luck the fuckhead will keel over sooner rather than later.

[Austen Heller]

No, better that Bernie lives and we get to enjoy his phony phun and phriviolities phluffed to phantastic phlights of phancy.

[Forcewind]

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[Art Gecko]

Wow. That's awesome. Sign me up... I just called my boss and told him I quit.

[loki]

BERNIE SANDERS ATTENDS SOTU ADDRESS WEARING REDFACE!

[loveconstitution1789]

+100

[tommyguns2]

"BERNIE SANDERS ATTENDS SOTU ADDRESS WEARING REDFACE!"

Epic. Well done. I guess that settles it, Bernie hates native americans.

[OneSimpleLesson]

And yet no one is calling for his resignation? No recall vote? No twitter hashtag campaign?

[C. S. P. Schofield]

Sanders being an a owed Socialist is beside the point. Sanders, and most of his ilk, is a would-be Aristocrat. He desperately, DESPERATELY wants to live in a society where his whims are Law. He's a Socialist because he believes that will get him what he wants. If he thought being a Bible Thumping Baptist-Cannibal would accomplish that faster, he would be a Televangelist advocating Swift's A MODEST PROPOSAL.

With any luck, Sanders will stroke out during a Trump speach, on National Television.

[CDRSchafer]

Red faced red looks like he drank a pitcher of vodka

[Rufus The Monocled]

Poor Grandpa Gulag.

As far as I'm concerned, the USA and the West needed a leader to say it.

That left-wingers like Omar, AOC, Warren and Sanders (and probably Harris depending on how evil she wants to be) sit in Congress are four too many.

Nip this shit in the bud before it's too late.

[Anomalous]

Grandpa Gulag! Love it.

[tlapp]

Give Trump credit for that line. Seems we have many fellow citizens that need to be reminded about the principles that made this country prosper.

[loveconstitution1789]

"Here, in the United States, we are alarmed by new calls to adopt socialism in our country. America was founded on liberty and independence?not government coercion, domination, and control," he added. "We are born free, and we will stay free. Tonight, we renew our resolve that America will never be a socialist country."

As Trump was discussing socialism, the camera panned to Sanders, who seemed to have a frown on his face:

MAGA!

[yawbus]

Wah!! I want the U.S. to be just like Venezuela!! Wah!!

[Art Gecko]

Thanks to Social Security and Medicare, it will. Just wait till all the baby boomers are drawing benefits.

[hayek > friedman]

"hey everyone, i want you to know that i'm not smart enough to realize that Venezuela is only one example of ostensibly socialist leaning countries, and plenty of the social democracies with cradle to grave healthcare/welfare in Europe are pretty great and rich places to live, and are in no danger of economic collapse. in fact, they pay less for healthcare and get the same results!"

[hayek > friedman]

"hey everyone, i want you to know that i'm not smart enough to realize that Venezuela is only one example of ostensibly socialist leaning countries, and plenty of the social democracies with cradle to grave healthcare/welfare in Europe are pretty great and rich places to live, and are in no danger of economic collapse. in fact, they pay less for healthcare and get the same results!"

[JoeBlow123]

How can you possibly be a fan of Hayek and be a water carrier for "social democracies." He has ZERO love and explicitly warns against any kind of socialized government bullshit.

I am going to call a spade a spade and say you are some troll who has never read Hayek. Please change your name or just stop posting here altogether.

[Sevo]

"How can you possibly be a fan of Hayek and be a water carrier for "social democracies." He has ZERO love and explicitly warns against any kind of socialized government bullshit."

Pretty sure that's but one more Hihnsock.

[gormadoc]

If it is Hihn that's just sad. He's gone from self-righteously obnoxious to obvious crappy trolling. Hihn himself doesn't like socialism.

[hayek > friedman]

hayek and mises, unlike rothbard, were not anarchists. they believed in some degree of central government.

"Nor is there any reason why the state should not assist individuals in providing for those common hazards of life against which, because of their uncertainty, few individuals can make adequate provision. " - Hayek, road to serfdom.

In other words, know your place, and stfu.

[hayek > friedman]

From the Road to Serfdom:

"Nor is there any reason why the state should not assist individuals in providing for those common hazards of life against which, because of their uncertainty, few individuals can make adequate provision. Where, as in the case of sickness and accident, neither the desire to avoid such calamities nor the efforts to overcome their consequences are as a rule weakened by the provision of assistance, where, in short, we deal with genuinely insurable risks, the case for the state helping to organise a comprehensive system of social insurance is very strong. There are many points of detail where those wishing to preserve the competitive system and those wishing to supersede it by something different will disagree on the details of such schemes; and it is possible under the name of social insurance to introduce measures which tend to make competition more or less ineffective. But there is no incompatibility in principle between the state providing greater security in this way and the preservation of individual freedom."

That took two seconds of googling. You are literally that fcking stupid.

[Wrath0fKahn]

That C-SPAN camera man deserves a raise. The long, lingering shot of Sanders is priceless.

[ThomasD]

Never attribute to socialist malice that which can adequately be explained by old man flatulence.

[Olderthandirt-stillkickin]

"Democratic Socialist"......isn't that sort of like a Virgin Hooker?

[Darth Soros]

If I could paste a comic book style thought balloon over Berne's head in that picture, it would say, "When are these reactionaries going to learn that there is no more blessed state for a man that servitude!?"

[Uncle Jay]

Comrade Bernie has a frown on his face because socialists don't like to listen to differing opinions.
That will all change once Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez becomes president and opens the gulags.
Then we'll see who is frowning then.

[JonFrum]

Democratic Socialist = a socialist who doesn't control the guns yet.

[Nuwanda]

Damn straight. I've always said, they'll be in favor of free speech until they nationalize the last printing press.

[hayek > friedman]

you're right. Europe is such a brutal police state. horrible place. don't visit.

real talk: do you not realize how badly you represent liberty minded people with stupid comments like that? if your goal is to convince people you have about the same intellectual capacity as a trump supporter, well done.

[JoeBlow123]

You are dumb as bricks. Stop pretending to be a fan of Hayek.

[hayek > friedman]

it's like you're trying to be ironic. If so, hats off to you. excellent satire. But, let's be real, you're not.

[Sevo]

hayek > friedman|2.6.19 @ 7:27PM|#
"you're right. Europe is such a brutal police state. horrible place. don't visit."

hayek > friedman is such a fucking ignoramus. Horrible posts.
Do we have a new Hihn sock, or just one more fucking ignoramus?

[Lurker Jack]

Word of the day for idiots like this: smugnorant

[hayek > friedman]

my word of the day is cunt. as in, you're a dumb little cunt.

[Art Gecko]

Why would Trump slam socialism? He signed the last federal hurricane relief bill, and the bill to bail out farmers hurt by his tariffs. And I've never heard him call for repealing the Social Security Act or Medicare.

[Hank Phillips]

You know who else made impassioned speeches about deep faith and the Common Good?

[Deconstructed Potato]

Mahatma Gandhi?

[Vaelyn]

Every politician who ever lived?

[Nuwanda]

This must make all of Reason's Socialist Libertarian readers uncomfy.

But, but...

[hayek > friedman]

10 bucks says you can't accurately articulate the essential differences between social libertarianism and mainstream libertarianism.

[Nuwanda]

And we have a winner.

You just made my point for me.

[hayek > friedman]

the irony here is painful. God you guys are embarrassing. The worst part about being a libertarian is the having things in common with all the knuckle draggers such as yourself.

[Sevo]

hayek > friedman|2.6.19 @ 7:24PM|#
10 bucks says you can't accurately articulate the essential differences between social libertarianism and mainstream libertarianism."

Fuck off, scumbag,

[hayek > friedman]

omg. devastating rejoinder. that money you spent on your associates degree at suffolk nights community college was clearly well spent.

[hayek > friedman]

socialized medicine seems to be working in europe at a fraction of the cost we pay for our mixed healthcare markets.

In the US, we've also socialized national defense long ago, we socialize education, the provision of adjudicative services, interest rates, police and fire protection services, intellectual monopoly enforcement, roads, utility services etc. We are far from a pure market economy.

What's really dumb are the bad kind of libertarians who don't have the ability to distinguish between socialism in Venezuela and, say, Sweden. You deserve to be relegated to the margin of serious discussion along with the entirety of the MAGA crowd if you make that mistake.

[Deconstructed Potato]

Again with the straw men. Who on earth beyond a couple of left wing "seee look it works on Sweden" fringe simpletons is actually conflating these two things? The only thing I ever see about Sweden etc in these here parts is that it's evidence of a strong market economy being necessary to support the burden of socialized healthcare etc. What have you been reading?

[hayek > friedman]

i don't think you know what a straw man argument is. I'm sure you took a freshman logic course one time in college and think you do, but, what you're really trying to point out is what you feel is non causa pro causa reasoning in my original post. not a straw man.

Because you can't even get your fallacies straight, you're not worth talking to. Please end your own life accordingly.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Because you can't even get your fallacies straight, you're not worth talking to.

This coming from someone claiming that "any form of centralized government = socialism"

[JoeBlow123]

Hey fuckface, Sweden is not socialist. Look up the definition of socialism before you try to start spouting off your college freshmen talking points on here.

[hayek > friedman]

how are you this effing dumb? the underlying point is that there's no one agreed upon definition of socialism. Is it an economy where the state owns all factors of production? Or what about a mixed economy like sweden with socialized medicine, heavy welfare etc?

The point being, this sky is falling nonsense about sweden when we talk about socializing certain aspects of the economy is just rtrded.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

the underlying point is that there's no one agreed upon definition of socialism.

Must be why you committed a fallacy by claiming that supporting any centralization of government is automatically supporting socialism.

[Sevo]

hayek > friedman|2.6.19 @ 7:23PM|#
"socialized medicine seems to be working in europe at a fraction of the cost we pay for our mixed healthcare markets."

OK, fucking Hihn-sock.
Yes, it 'works', so long as you don't mind dying while you wait for treatment. Please, go there and die, scumbag.

[hayek > friedman]

and ours works as long as you don't mind dying if you can't afford care or have a pre-existing condition. Anyone can come up with extreme anecdotes where either system has failed someone. No system is perfect. Why do people think single anecdotes prove anything compared to aggregate data? Why are you this fcking stupid?

The point being, they have largely the same healthcare outcomes as a whole and spend less. Both systems have some aspect of socialization, so neither can reasonably called free market. Therefore, since the choice is between different methods of socialism, let's make sure we pick the better one, which is single payer, not the third party payer model we have now via government subsidized, employer sponsored insurance plans.

[NashTiger]

Pre-X conditions have been covered for going on 8 years now. It's time to update the talking points

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

What's really dumb are the bad kind of libertarians who don't have the ability to distinguish between socialism in Venezuela and, say, Sweden

The latter is run by the white people you despise?

[hayek > friedman]

hi, cletus. I'm sorry about your childhood. Have you publicly called out your uncle yet about all that time in the barn he spent alone with you? He should be held accountable. his time is up. we support you.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Hey soyboy. Still butthurt from the time my buddies shoved you in the locker?

[hayek > friedman]

oh look, it's trying to mimic me. i'm flattered. seriously. realize your life is not worth living. it's ok. just end it. no one will miss you. Think of how much better off your friends and family would be.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Nah, watching an estrogen case like yourself play out your frustration at not getting to fuck the head cheerleader in high school is more fun

[hayek > friedman]

"estrogen case" - you thought this was a clever way of calling me a female. that's previous. i'm giggling.

you seem to be stuck on gender. that's kinda weird. Do you think one gender is superior to the other or something?

Who cares about what happened in high school?

You're like a real life Uncle Rico. Can you throw a football over them mountains?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Previous to what? Talk about hilarious.

You seem to be stuck on race. That's kind of weird. Do you think some races are inferior to others or something?

[hayek > friedman]

well i'm white, and i think that you, as white trash, are a skid mark on the the gusset of society's panties. You're probably sexually frustrated, given how frequently you've brought up gender and used the word soyboy. Most likely sexually abused as a child, and earning less than the median income for Alabama or whatever third world hell hole allows you to live.

It has nothing to do with your race. Just the culture of inbreeding, bible thumping, anti intellectualism, opioid addiction, blue collar work in which you live. There's a cure, though.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Ooooh, another self-loathing hicklib, the nigger of the left. Must be why they want us to emulate majority white socialist countries and not non-white ones. Don't worry, there's a cure for that, too.

[hayek > friedman]

you've gone full trash, gramps. i can't compete. this is amazing to watch, though. Tell us more about your racial theories. this should be rich. like, you'd think you'd realize when someone is intentionally trolling you so they can be entertained at your expense, but i guess not?

you're not very good at this, but keep going. Let's here about the hicklibs, and the libtards, and what were you saying about the n words on the left? Do you have time before Matlock is on?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

you've gone full trash, gramps. i can't compete. this is amazing to watch, though.

Not nearly as amazing as a self-loathing hicklib trying to pretend to be a sophisticated intellectual.

you're not very good at this, but keep going. Let's here about the hicklibs, and the libtards, and what were you saying about the n words on the left? Do you have time before Matlock is on?

"Let's here" about white trash, and child molestation, and what were you saying about any centralization being socialism?

[John Thomas]

Trump is such an idiot. -- The U.S. has been significantly socialist for more than a century. The world's largest socialist project is the U.S. Interstate Highway System. --- All of the programs of FDR's New Deal were programs of the U.S. Socialist Party. --- FDR instituted them to steal the thunder and power of the Socialists and save capitalism. -- It worked, for a while...

[Sevo]

Are you posting to prove what an imbecile you are? You've done a good job.

[John Thomas]

No. You just proved you are one by not being able to respond with any substance. Just the lamest of insults. -- Sad.

[Benitacanova]

John Thomas = Dick.

[John Thomas]

Benitacanova - Another person who is unable to respond to points. -- How pathetic, and confirming of the great benefit of socially uplifting policies.

[hayek > friedman]

it's hard supporting liberty when you look at your average liberty supporters. bunch of rtrded bro in a circle jerk.

[John Thomas]

Another proving TrumpBots don't have an inkling of how to debate. - Every time you open your mouths, nothing comes out but the most ignorant insults.

[hayek > friedman]

friendly fire, dude. i'm agreeing with you. Again, just noting how a lot of the commenters on here seem to be, like, really really dumb. Yourself, not included.

Like, do they not realize that Venezuela is just one instance of socialism?

That the provision of roads, schools, adjudicative services, national defense, etc are already socialized?

[John Thomas]

Whoops. -- Thanks for the clarification. -- It's a shame so many don't realize we're all in the same family. - 'Course, they may come from dysfunctional nuclear families, so don't really know what family means, nor the real meaning of their religion, if they have one.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

The world's largest socialist project is the U.S. Interstate Highway System.

"ROOOOOAAAAADDDDZZZZZ!"

This is almost as stupid as Rashida Tlaib claiming that the post office and libraries are socialist institutions.

[John Thomas]

They are, of course. Especially libraries. That is the collective serving every citizen equally, regardless of race, income or other factors. -- It seems the criticism of socialism only comes from those who don't understand what it is.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

They are, of course. Especially libraries.

No, John. Public funding of any service does not automatically equal socialism. Especially ones that sprang up long before it was ever identified and implemented as an economic philosophy.

[dchang0]

Let all these socialists/communists lead by example.

First, they must give up 100% of what they own to the government. It's easy to do, just write a check to the US Treasury and donate any property to local, state, or federal gov't.

THEN, we might actually believe them when they champion socialism.

[hayek > friedman]

what you're implying is a tu quoque fallacy. eat a dck, trashley.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Soyboy shitlibs don't like following their own standards. Get the full Kent State, hick.

[hayek > friedman]

this is great. You're like a stereotype of a stereotype. Please tell me you have stuff stuck in your teeth, holes in your underwear, overalls, and a foam maga hat.....

soyboy? can you think of a better way of saying, "hey, i'm blue collar, uneducated, white trash?"

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

This is great. You're like a stereotype of a stereotype.

Oh, the irony.

Tell us, how long did it take for you to extract yourself from the fetal position when Hillary got beat by a real estate huckster?

[hayek > friedman]

cletus, that election was over 2 years ago. it's over. Hillary was an underwhelming candidate. we've all accepted it, except for you apparently. move on.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Don't worry, soyboy, I'm sure you'll still come up with a way she can be President.

[hayek > friedman]

nah, if you lose to trump, you're done forever.

What is with the white trash obsession with gender and hillary. it's really creepy. can't you just pop your next oxy and forget about it? don't you have to go clean coal or something? Did you already spend all your EBT this month?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

What is the proglydyte obsession with race. It's really creepy. Can't you just pop your next Klonopin and forget about it? Don't you have to go complain about how women never like nice guys or something?

[hayek > friedman]

there you go, mimicking me again. I'm flattered. proglydyte - that's cute. Better than libtard, but still sounds pretty white trashy.

Dude, you're white trash. Accept it. move on. start your car in your garage, shut the windows and the door, and wait. should work itself out.

"Don't you have to go complain about how women never like nice guys or something?" - i'm going go ahead and guess at this point that you're projecting your sexual frustration on others. As if my sexual activity has anything to do with my intelligence or your white trash status.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

"Don't you have to go complain about how women never like nice guys or something?" - i'm going go ahead and guess at this point that you're projecting your sexual frustration on others

By this logic, you're a self-loathing white trash hicklib. Accept it and move on.

[hayek > friedman]

white

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Self-loathing

[hayek > friedman]

trash

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

hicklib

[Sonny Bono's Ghost]

Ok, thats it. I want an itemized list of all government programs that my taxes are put towards (I know they really aren't), and I want to be able to opt out of whatever services, and thus avoid the taxes to support ones that I choose not to.

Wouldn't that be a better, more "Democratic(tm)" system?

[Rockabilly]

"Sometimes there's a man? I won't say a hero, 'cause, what's a hero? Sometimes, there's a man. And I'm talkin' about The Donald here ? The Donald from New York City. Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's the Donald, The Donald, from New York City.

And even if he's a crude man ? and The Donald is most certainly that. Quite possibly the crudest in all of New York City, which would place him high in the runnin' for crudest worldwide. Sometimes there's a man, sometimes, there's a man. Well, I lost my train of thought here. But? aw, hell. I've done introduced him enough."