Immigration

'Our Porous Border' and Other Myths of Trump's Increasingly Popular Wall Mania

Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, and other major Republicans are spreading misinformation in support of the president's fixation on a border wall.

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Washington Post

As the government shutdown continues, it's worth underscoring that the precipitating factor—President Donald Trump's insistence that any new spending bill include somewhere around $5 billion for the construction of a border wall, barrier, or fence—is built upon a foundation of sand. The president insists that "there is a growing humanitarian and security crisis at our southern border," but the evidence of that is scant.

Over the past several years, including two during which the Republican Party controlled the White House and Congress and could have appropriated funds to build the wall that Candidate Trump promised in speech after speech (usually claiming Mexico would pay the bill), there has been no mad rush or spike in people, especially terrorists, or drugs flowing north from Mexico that justify talk of crisis, especially one that can only be addressed by building physical barriers in the middle of nowhere.

Indeed, the number of illegal immigrants in the country is at a 10-year low and the number of people caught trying to enter the country illegally between checkpoints on the Southern border is one-fourth of what it was in 2000 (see chart). Compared to decades past, the majority of illegals enter the country legally and then overstay tourist, student, or work visas. In 2016, the Department of Homeland Security said 170,000 people entered the country illegally outside of border checkpoints while 628,000 people who entered the country legally overstayed visas. Whether traveling alone or as a family, asylum seekers from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador offer themselves to authorities in order to start the application process and, even though are overwhelmingly likely to be denied asylum (more on that in a moment), voluntarily show up for court dates between 83 percent and 99 percent of the time, according to government data.

As Cato's Alex Nowratesh has documented, the terrorist risk posed by people crossing the Southern border is vanishingly small. Between 1975 and 2017, 20 foreign-born terrorists entered the country either illegally or as asylees. "[Eleven] terrorists who entered as asylum seekers murdered 9 people in terrorist attacks…. Of those 9 terrorists who entered illegally, only 3 did so along the border with Mexico." The perpetrators were ethnic Albanians from Macedonia who were brought here as children.

To the extent that drugs, especially heroin and fentanyl, flow north, they overwhelmingly enter the country by being smuggled through legal checkpoints. Building walls or fences isn't going to stop that. Nor will lying about the number of terrorists supposedly caught at the border, as White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders did recently. She claimed, against all evidence, that the government had caught 4,000 "known or suspected terrorists" on the Southern border in 2017; in fact, six would-be immigrants were snagged.

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And yet respectable leading Republicans (no, not you, Rep. Steve King) such as Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Ted Cruz (R-Texas) insist, like the president, that we are suddenly so deep in crisis nothing short of a wall can fix it. Not long ago, both were Tea Party darlings whose emphasis was on reducing the size, scope, and spending of government across the board. Though both voted for a short-term spending bill in December that didn't include wall funding, they now agree that the government should not reopen until Trump gets his money.

In 2010, I remember hearing Rubio, the son of Cuban immigrants, give a speech at a Club for Growth event that raised the hair on the back of my neck because it was so emotionally powerful. He explicitly spoke not just to the wealthy grandees in the dinner hall that night but to the mostly Latino wait staff who lined the back of the room. America, he said, was a land of opportunity that has prospered materially and morally to the extent that we have been open to people coming here to work hard and pursue happiness. The future of his Republican Party, I remember him saying, depended on reaching out to newcomer immigrants and making it clear that they, like his parents, were welcome participants in the American experiment.

Early on in his Senate career, Rubio was a member of the so-called Gang of Eight, a group of senators who crafted comprehensive immigration reform that included a path to legalization for currently illegal immigrants, streamlined and expanded visas programs for both high-skill and low-skill workers, and various security measures, including increased requirements for employers to verify worker status. The Gang of Eight plan was recognized as moderate and passed the Senate overwhelmingly in 2013, by a vote of 68 to 32. The Republican House, led by Speaker John Boehner, refused to vote on the measure and it died, taking with it Rubio's commitment to immigration reform. Since that defeat—and massive abuse from increasingly nativist Republican voters, commentators, and elected officials—Rubio switched directions and fallen in line with restrictionists. He reversed his position on "dreamers," young immigrants brought here illegally as children by their parents, and has rejected a path to legal status for them. And he is currently joining in the Trump administration's demand for a wall as a precondition for reopening the government.

It's nice to see that some humanity remains in Rubio—he says the current "crisis" is "primarily a humanitarian one"—but he is wrong to imply that something has changed in our border policies or large-scale immigration flows.

In fact, about 50 percent of all asylum claims between 2011 through 2016 were denied. The denial rates are far, far higher than average for people from countries that are causing so much anxiety now. Over that time period, 90 percent of asylum claims for applicants from Mexico were denied and similarly long odds were faced by Salvadorans (83 percent denied), Hondurans (80 percent), and Guatemalans (77 percent). To the extent that the number of people, particularly families, applying for asylum has increased, that's primarily driven by events in home countries, not changes in our immigration policies. Since 2016, no one inside or outside of the United States is under the impression that we are rolling out the red carpet for the world's wretched refuse. Indeed, President Trump has tightened up asylum rules so that those presenting themselves at the border are even less likely to be approved. If the recent deaths of migrant children have highlighted problems with Customs and Border Protection (CBP), those problems date back to well before Donald Trump took office. They constitute not a crisis to be solved by a border wall or the declaration of a national emergency but better oversight and better use of either existing or increased resources.

For his part, Ted Cruz has reintroduced his "El Chapo Act," which

would reserve any amounts forfeited to the U.S. Government as a result of the criminal prosecution of "El Chapo" (formally named Joaquin Archivaldo Guzman Lorea) and other drug lords for border security assets and the completion of the wall along the U.S.-Mexico border…

Currently the U.S. Government is seeking the criminal forfeiture of more than $14 billion in drug proceeds and illicit profits from El Chapo, the former leader of the Sinaloa drug cartel who was extradited to the U.S. to face criminal prosecution for numerous alleged drug-related crimes, including conspiracy to commit murder and money laundering.

Cruz has released a video, complete with animated graphics, to explain how this all would work.

Whatever else you can say about Cruz's video, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is emphatic that virtually all heroin and fentanyl enters the country through legal checkpoints. In its most recent Drug Threat Assessment, the agency says,

A small percentage of all heroin seized by [Customs & Border Patrol] along the land border was between Ports of Entry (POEs)…. The majority of the flow is through [privately owned vehicles] entering the United States at legal ports of entry, followed by tractor-trailers, where the heroin is co-mingled with legal goods.

Donald Trump's insistence that there is a crisis on the border between the United States and Mexico has won over more than Rubio and Cruz. Rep. Mark Meadows (R-Tenn.), the leader of the so-called Freedom Caucus in the House of Representatives, has gone on the record calling for extraordinary measures, including the use of asset forfeiture and a national emergency to build the president's wall:

The Freedom Caucus was founded in 2015 and its mission statement reads in part:

The House Freedom Caucus gives a voice to countless Americans who feel that Washington does not represent them. We support open, accountable and limited government, the Constitution and the rule of law, and policies that promote the liberty, safety and prosperity of all Americans.

New York Times

There is evidence that Trump's insistence both on a border crisis and the need for a wall is slowly wearing down opposition, especially given the uncomfortable fact that leading Democrats such as Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) and Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) have voted for barriers in recent memory and they continue to speak the language of increasing "border security." Although Trump continues to have historically low approval ratings, support for a wall has actually risen slightly over the past six months or so. Call it the art of the deal or whatever you want, but the guy wears people out until they give him what he wants.

This is the peculiar genius of Donald Trump, and it's not trivial. More so than any other politician on the scene, he is able to set the terms of the national conversation. He may well "lose" the shutdown in the sense that he and the Republicans may suffer losses in 2020 or beyond. But there's every reason to believe that by the end of 2019, some sort of groundbreaking will have begun on a wall (or fence, or whatever) designed to address a crisis that doesn't exist.

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348 responses to “'Our Porous Border' and Other Myths of Trump's Increasingly Popular Wall Mania

  1. I’m beginning to wonder if members of Congress – if not the president as well – are all acting on political motivations.

    1. These kinds of suspicions are the first signs of paranoid delusions! All sane people are aware of the undisputed FACT that Government Almighty LOVES us DEARLY, more than we can EVER know! “Political motivations” are the LAST things that they EVER think of!!!!

      1. Scienfoology Song? GAWD = Government Almighty’s Wrath Delivers

        Government loves me, This I know,
        For the Government tells me so,
        Little ones to GAWD belong,
        We are weak, but GAWD is strong!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        My Nannies tell me so!

        GAWD does love me, yes indeed,
        Keeps me safe, and gives me feed,
        Shelters me from bad drugs and weed,
        And gives me all that I might need!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        My Nannies tell me so!

        DEA, CIA, KGB,
        Our protectors, they will be,
        FBI, TSA, and FDA,
        With us, astride us, in every way!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        My Nannies tell me so!

        1. This is rather insane.

          1. Meh, he just likes to sing, and the lyrics are catchy. You should see what some crazy protester did in New York City last weekend.

        2. You sound like such a douchebag when you post that shit. It’s like WoW who sing/type the “I’m a Little Paladin” song. They think it’s clever, and everyone else thinks they’re a fag.

          1. Hey, boundaries dude. Some gay men are loud and proud enough to take offence at that word.

    2. That unpossible, FoE. You might be coming down with a case of TDS.

  2. “Trump’s Increasingly Popular Wall Mania”?!?!?

    More like Trump’s ever-increasing bipolar wall mania!

    When will this bipolar manic freak ever get down from His Manic High Wall, get back on His Meds, and re-adjoin reality?!?!

    (One should NOT add anti-depressants to mood stabilizers like lithium, for example… Does Trump’s shrink even know this? Anti-depressants on top of mood stabilizers causes mania!!!! And, despite Government Almighty licenses dolled out to shrinks, SOME stupid shrinks do NOT know this simple fact!!!)

    Anyway… Trump, PLEASE get back on your meds, as prescribed by a COMPETENT shrink!!!

    1. I’M NOT CRAZY!

      YOU’RE THE ONE WHO’S CRAZY!

      YOU’RE DRIVING ME CRAZY!

      1. ‘Institutionalized’, by Suicidal Tendencies?

        1. The Body Count version would also be considered acceptable.

      2. All I wanted was a Pepsi.

    2. 80% of Americans, including most liberals, support a wall, for the same reason they support a front door–to stop homeless people and criminals helping themselves.

      The increasingly socialist cocksuckers running this rag stopped being libertarians a decade ago. There is ZERO conflict between a secure border and libertarianism. In fact, it means less credibility for demands random internal ID checks, and more resources freed up for those overstayed visas referenced in the article.

      That illegal apprehensions are down does not necessarily mean the number of illegals are down. Nor does it prevent a future influx. It’s like arguing against fixing the roof because it’s sunny and not leaking at present.

      Tests show your front door can easily be kicked in and won’t stop a burglar. So why do you have one?

      So I have no idea what meds YOU are on, but you definitely need them adjusted. And Gillespie needs to take the socialist cock out of his mouth.

  3. So, that chart showing a reduction in border apprehensions since 2000 must be a direct result of the Immigrant Patrol working like a charm.

    1. An excellent point not mentioned by Gillespie. Apprehensions don’t equate to the number of illegals who are not apprehended.

      Further, not a single mention of legal and illegal immigrants’ use of welfare. “Most U.S. families headed by illegal immigrants use taxpayer-funded welfare programs”, “immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives” and “the majority of households across the country benefitting from publicly-funded welfare programs are headed by immigrants, both legal and illegal”. Per the report at cis.org.

      As a Libertarian, I support enforcement of the law, or to change the law. Not selective enforcement putting the country under the rule of man, rather than the rule of law. Neither the RINOs or Democrats want to change the law, and prefer to selectively enforce it.

      1. Oh… well, if cis.org says it, it must be true.

      2. The real abuse of the welfare by illegals is those using phony IDs & other fake identities like SSNs….It is why so many can vote in elections!…Voter fraud is real!

  4. The Democrats can’t keep shitting their pants every time Trump tries to keep another promise.

    Trump has little to lose from swing voters in rust belt swing states for keeping his campaign promises.

    It’s been two years already guys! Are you ever gonna get over it? Is pants-shitting the new normal?

    Two years of pants-shitting and still no end is sight?

    1. Democrats are refusing to appease Pres. Trump’s intolerance and cynical bluster.

      They also are disinclined to flatter his supporters’ gullibility and ignorance.

      This became a “crisis” just as Democrats earned control of the House and Mr. Mueller’s report appeared to near completion.

      1. Has there ever been a principle before that prevented the Democrats from spending $5 billion?

        lol

        The only “crisis” that will happen when Mueller’s investigation ends will be the people on his team who have become accustomed to getting paid outrageous fees by the taxpayers to do nothing of value.

        1. Indeed Ken. It’s also looking like Mueller, and several members of his team have broken the law on a few occasions.

          1. (laughing)

          2. +100

      2. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland|1.13.19 @ 5:56PM|#
        “They also are disinclined to flatter his supporters’ gullibility and ignorance.”

        Yeah, asshole, they prefer blowhard imbeciles like you.

      3. Except that every one of these democrats previously made speeches which completely echo the things Trump is now saying.
        This is pure political games by the democrats.

        This is purely about resisting anything Trump stands for no matter how much of a hypocrite it makes you.
        It is pretty pathetic really, especially considering Trump is only asking for ?5.7 billion which is a small fraction of the overall budget.
        The Dems are effectively shutting down the government for less than 1% of the budget.
        Also considering the proposed budget also included an earmark for a payment of $1.9 billion to Jordan for the building of a wall over there, how can this be justified when they refused to give Trump even this amount to protect the southern border.
        They certainly can’t use the pathetic argument that walls are immoral.

    2. Democrats, by denying the half of the country that voted for Trump and his wall (full disclosure, I voted for Johnson), funds that amount to less than 0.1% of the budget, show how petty they are and how much they hate Trump and his supporters. Meanwhile, illegals consume at least one order of magnitude more in welfare benefits than a wall would cost.

  5. I have a proposal.

    No wall but we change our minds and have the biggest bestest military parade ever!

    And a night time show with fireworks, music and dancing all to thank Trump for his brilliant leadership.

    In the meantime we assure him that top people are studying the matter and we should get a report in 6-8 years. Because we want his legacy to be perfect and beautiful.

    Think he will go for it? It will at least distract him and the rest of us can just move on.

    1. We’ve seen Trump compromise. It seem like he just won’t compromise about whether he’ll keep a campaign promise. I happen to oppose a lot of things he’s promised, but he keeps ’em.

      Trump promised to renegotiate NAFTA, and that’s what he did.

      Trump promised to withdraw from the Paris accord, and that’s what he did.

      Trump promised to withdraw from Obama’s Iranian nuclear agreement, and that’s what he did.

      Trump promised to respect state laws on cannabis, and that’s what he did.

      Trump promised to work with Putin to defeat ISIS in Syria, and that’s what he did.

      Trump promised to shove a trade war up China’s ying-yang, and that’s what he did.

      if the wall doesn’t get built, it won’t be because of a lack of effort on his part. He might compromise on something about the wall, but with a record of keeping campaign promises like that, I don’t see why he’d give up on the wall–until an interest payment comes due. And if and when it comes to that, he might claim emergency powers and let the the voters decide come 2020. I don’t imagine impeaching Trump–seemingly–for building a wall will do the Democrat candidate much good in 2020 either.

      1. Trump promised us that the Mexicans would pay for the wall. How’s that one stacking up?

        1. He may to try to squirm and double talk and blather his way around that.

          He may claim that the new NAFTA deal more than pays for the $5 billion he’s asking for now–although he probably doesn’t want to see the new NAFTA ratification hung up like this.

          He may still try to make Mexico pay for the wall in the future somehow.

          Regardless, pointing out that part of his promise wasn’t kept isn’t a good reason for him to give up on the rest of it. What are you going to do–tell him you want him to give up on the wall and then turn around and criticize him for not keeping that promise? Like I said, he may invoke emergency powers to build it. Is that what you want him to do in the name of promise keeping?

          I hope he gives up on his promise, but just because I want something to happen doesn’t mean I have to pretend that’s what he’s likely to do. He has little to lose from swing voters in rust belt swing states by keeping his promise to build a wall–and that’s regardless of whether I want him to build one or not. Meanwhile, it looks to me like he intends to run on his record, and regardless of whether you like the promises he’s made, he’s done a pretty good job of doing his best to keep them.

          1. He promised to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it.

            He promised to incarcerate Hillary Clinton.

            He promised to repeal Obamacare.

            Those, from my recollection of his Hee Haw tour, were the big three.

            1. You’re disappointed because Hillary Clinton isn’t in prison?

              1. I know that I sure am.

                  1. Me too.

                1. #MeToo

              2. I am!

                Lock her up!

            2. “He promised to incarcerate Hillary Clinton.”

              Day ain’t over, bitch.

              1. For Trump it is, Goober.

                In the very late 90s, after multiple bankruptcies, Trump was near broke, and US banks REFUSED to lend him money.

                He did find another lender, for nearly a half-billion dollars — Deutsche Bank, a convicted money launderer for Russians. (They also financed Jerod)

                Now we know Trump invested virtually the entire amount in real estate properties, in a little over two years.

                Now, we know he paid CASH for all of them. (NO mortgages)

                Connect the dots..

                A convicted money launderer “loaned” nearly a half-billion in cash … UNSECURED … to a deadbeat.

                The bank launders Russian money.

                Trump owes his ENTIRE fortune to Russia.

                Is that why he kisses Putin’s ass, repeatedly … and tries to destroy NATO?

                He did campaign on removing Russian sanctions .. which the Senate jammed up his ass, 98-2.
                The ONLY votes for removing Russian sanctions came from a socialist, Bernie Sanders, and ….
                RAND PAUL. Hmmm.

                1. Birthers: No one could be more retarded than us!

                  Demorrhoids: Hold our Tide Pods: RUSSIAN HACKERS!

                2. It is fascinating how Demorrhoid shitheads (pardon the redundancy) completely ignore the fact that the US military, under orders from Trump, utterly destroyed a Russian mercenary battalion in Syria, bombing it almost to the stone age and decimating it.

                  And is pulling out of Syria. I mean, I know Demorrhoids love starting wars (virtually every war the US was in in the last century), but I never expected them to PUBLICLY demand a war continue.

                  It does prove, however, that Pinochet did nothing wrong.

            3. So you just ignore all the things he promised that he did in fact deliver? Have you ever seen a politician deliver on all his promises?

              1. He delivered on 10%, FAILED on 60% and did the OPPOSITE on 40%. Like his BULLSHIT on the debt.

                Are you also ignorant that he promised to pay off the entire federal debt in 8 years — but has ALREADY added MORE 8-year debt than Obama!!!

                THE REPUBLICAN NEW DEAL — ALREADY WORSE THAN OBAMA! (8-year debt)
                $ 9.6 T Obama (after 8 years)
                $10.7 T Trump (in only TWO years, wants MORE)

                Obama’s 8-year debt (billions) 19,539.6 – 9,986.1 = 9,553.5

                Trump’s 8-year debt
                $30,042 August Forecast for 2024 (804 estimate for 2018)
                ++++181 (985 actual – 804)
                —19,540 (Trump inherited)
                ==10,683 (Trump already)

                Trump, first President to EVER increase deficit by 47% … in one year … with a booming economy (OMFG) (same link)

                Obama inherited 2nd worst recession since the 1930s.
                Trump inherited longest recovery EVER for an incoming President — FROM OBAMA!!!

                Anything else? (lol)

          2. “He may claim that the new NAFTA deal more than pays for the $5 billion he’s asking for now–although he probably doesn’t want to see the new NAFTA ratification hung up like this.”

            Does anyone here doubt that the Democrats might refuse to ratify the new NAFTA deal solely on the basis that Trump started saying on television that the new NAFTA deal makes Mexico pay for his border wall?

            If the only reason somebody opposes the president doing something is that it would allow him to fulfill a campaign promise, then that person might have TDS.

            1. to ratify the new NAFTA deal solely on the basis that Trump started saying on television that the new NAFTA deal makes Mexico pay for his border wall?

              Most Democrats are not dumb enough to believe that. Nor are most Republicans, libertarians and independents.

              He also campaigned on paying off the debt in 8 years — totally — then became THE WORST PRESIDENT EVAH ON ADDING NEW DEBT.

              If the only reason somebody opposes the president doing something is that it would allow him to fulfill a campaign promise, then that person might have TDS.

              a better reason to oppose it is … MOST AMERICANS OPPOSE IT (duh) …. they also blame Trump and the GOP for the shutdown, which Trump was PROUD TO CAUSE …. until he flipped AGAIN, but only Trumptards blame it on Pelosi. And on Obama being a Muslim from Kenya … and 6,000 other poven lies.

              1. But Russian Hackers are totally real, right?

                Are they under your bed right now?

              2. He also campaigned on paying off the debt in 8 years — totally — then became THE WORST PRESIDENT EVAH ON ADDING NEW DEBT.

                Put the bong down.

                Bush I added 1.5 trillion
                Clinton added 2.2 trillion
                Bush II added 4.6 trillion
                Obama added 9 trillion
                (number are rounded) goto Treasury Dept site and search Daily Treasury Report for exact numbers.

                1. Put the bong down.

                  I’ll put it UP … your ignorant ass.
                  Brainwashed TrumpTARD compares 8 years with TWO!!! (sneer)

                  THE REPUBLICAN NEW DEAL — ALREADY WORSE THAN OBAMA! (8-year debt)
                  $ 9.6 T Obama (after 8 years)
                  $10.7 T Trump (in only TWO years, wants MORE)

                  Obama’s 8-year debt (billions) 19,539.6 – 9,986.1 = 9,553.5

                  Trump’s 8-year debt
                  $30,042 August CBO Forecast for 2024 (804 estimate for 2018)
                  ++++181 (985 actual – 804)
                  —19,540 (Trump inherited)
                  ==10,683 (Trump already)

                  Trump, first President to EVER increase deficit by 47% … in one year … with a booming economy (OMFG) (same link)

                  Obama inherited 2nd worst recession since the 1930s.
                  Trump inherited longest recovery EVER for an incoming President — FROM OBAMA!!!

                  Anything else, loser?

        2. “Trump promised us that the Mexicans would pay for the wall. How’s that one stacking up?”

          No one who supported the wall really cared. Sure, if he could make it happen, that would be great, but most we just thought it was funny. Like “the wall just got 10 feet higher!”. That wasn’t literally true either, but it wasn’t the point.

          The only people complaining about Mexico not paying for the wall are those who were always opposed to the wall. And all of them would shit their pants if Trump did make Mexico pay for it.

          1. (snort)

          2. “No one who supported the wall really cared.”

            Convenient, huh? Here’s a general observation about Trump and his supporters :

            He lies – continuously, obsessively, compulsively, shamelessly – and his cult-like groupies swallow every falsehood. If you drag them kicking and screaming to face all the facts otherwise, they fight every step of the way, right up until the end. Then they’ll announce “it wasn’t important” or “they never believed it” or “they didn’t take him literally”. If you win one of these battles against child-grade prevarication, don’t expect the next one to be any easier. The groupie will fight just as hard defending the next stupid lie, and the next, and the next, and the next….

            You kinda wonder about the self-respect of people like that…….

            1. They don’t even have a self to respect.

            2. The wall would be a thousand feet now if you counted up every time Trump said “the wall just got 10 feet higher”.

              You can be an ignoramus and take that literally. Trump supporters never did.

              1. ANOTHER ass-whupping on Trump … this one by a GURL!

                Border Agent Debunks Trump’s Case For A Wall To His Face: This Is A Tunnel Built Under Existing Wall

                U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agent Melissa Lucio showed President Trump how enterprising border crossers have dug elaborate tunnels under walled off sections of the U.S.-Mexico border, “Here, this is just a couple of miles from where we stand. This is a tunnel,” she said, pointing to a photograph of the tunnel. “This is the second tunnel recently that we have located. This is an area that we actually have wall.”

                She’s not being paid, and is a woman, but she IS protecting our borders
                a) on the job, and
                b) by whupping Trump’s sorry ass.

                Trump’s border visit, ANOTHER public humiliation!
                Trumpbots be as wacky as Berniebots!!!!

              2. buybuygoober snears, “Yeah, he FUCKED me that Mexico would pay for it … but NOT that the wall would be a thousand feet high!”

                (They publicly ridicule themselves, just like Trump does of himself. RETARDS ON THE MARCH!)

          3. “And all of them would shit their pants if Trump did make Mexico pay for it.” — They’d open an investigation for Trump colluding with Mexico!

      2. “if the wall doesn’t get built, it won’t be because of a lack of effort on his part. ”

        Man you are usually pretty spot on, but this couldn’t be further from the truth. The wall was always a bait and switch telling the people he wanted to vote for him what they wanted to hear. I guarantee you he gives less than 0 fucks about it.

        He promised that a wall:

        -Would be built
        -Paid for by Mexico
        -Would start right away
        -Would be done quickly (touted his expertise at building things)
        -Would be a “big, beautiful, concrete” wall

        And after having what he should have thought was his only window of R’s controlling the major branches (history shows the mid-terms usually swing the other way), he rarely brought it up, didn’t fight for it, and caved AGAIN (with R leadership to pass legislation) in the previous negotiation until Laura Ingraham and he ilk said he was an impotent failure basically.

        1. It’s telling that he didn’t turn it into a reality TV style showdown until the D’s got control of the house. It’s almost like he knew the R’s don’t really have the will to pass it and it’s not very popular overall in the country, so he waited to dig his heels in until he had someone to blame that he (and his supporters) WANTS to quarrel with. Very WWF of him.

          He didn’t want it to be Trump vs Ryan/McConnell, he wanted Trump Vs Chuck-n-Nancy. Otherwise it would look like it isn’t something the R’s don’t care all that much about (*Gasp*) when the day is over. Though we should have assumed that since they never really fought for it when they had more power than they are likely to have in the next 2 years.

          1. The question isn’t whether Trump is a man of virtue and integrity. He’s a narcissistic jackass is what he is.

            That being said, he’s worked hard to keep his promises, and he isn’t going through this exercise because he doesn’t give a crap. He’s invested all his political capital into getting this wall built. There’s certainly more reason to think he cares about getting the wall built than not.

            I’m not sure Trump has any principles he abides by, but he does seem to want to keep his campaign promises–to the point that he spends his political capital to keep them. If you’re not convinced that he genuinely wants to build a wall at this point, what more does he have to do to convince you?

            P.S. Waiting until after the midterm elections to bring up a highly controversial issue that might have cost the Republicans even more House seats isn’t indicative of anything but intelligence. Republicans were already looking at the same big losses in the House that typically come with any first term midterm. Why throw kerosene on that fire?

            Yeah, now that the midterms are over and the next election is two years away–now is the right time to have a food fight over immigration. I don’t see how that has anything to do with waiting for the Democrats to take over the House. Holding off on immigration was about not helping the Democrats take over the House.

            1. Trump should have had the immigration fight before the primaries. If Republicans are going to lose seats, let them clear out the Globalist Uniparty dead enders from the Republican Party.

              1. They would have lost more House seats.

                They might have lost seats in the Senate.

                Winning elections is about reaching voters who are not true believers. Politicians generally don’t want to take controversial stands ahead of an election for that reason. They highlight the controversial stands of their adversary and portray themselves as uniters rather than dividers.

                A wedge issue is meant to cut off a chunk of the other guy’s support–and unify it behind you. As much as you might support the Republicans because of Trump’s positions on immigration, congressional Republicans need to win the support of voters who don’t support the president on immigration. Because it was already going to be bad was not a good reason to make it even worse.

                1. Might have lost more seats. Might have gained them.

                  The more immigration enforcement is debated, the more support it gets.

                  And that *lack* of action on immigration clearly had demoralized the base. Ann Coulter was busy calling him out. That cost Republicans votes.

                  Don’t be so sure of your prognostications.

                  Who predicted Trump would win in the first place? Ann Coulter. Who *also* predicted that immigration enforcement is a winning issue for Republicans.

            2. That being said, he’s worked hard to keep his promises

              And FAILED at over 90% of them … roughly the same as his many business failures.

        2. Basic rule of politics: Never promise anything in terms you can be held accountable for later.

          Lofty goals like controlling the borders are fine but Trump promised an actual physical thing.

          It did get him the election and made a great slogan.

          The current manufactured crisis is because two years have passed and no wall. He has to appease the base.

          Remember the Muslim ban? His words came back to haunt him “all of them” They did eventually get a watered down version but not what his supporters expected.

          1. Running on having kept your campaign promises is an excellent strategy.

            The Democrats can criticize him for pulling out of the Paris accord, but they can’t do so without reminding people that he did pull out of the Paris accord as promised.

            It’ll be the same thing with the wall if he gets it built. Trump’s critics will claim that he didn’t do this with the wall and he didn’t do that, but it will only remind people that he fought like hell for the wall.

            If building the wall is a winning issue in western Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin, then the criticism of how he built the wall will be an issue for the loser. What’s Liz Warren gonna do–promise to build the wall differently? Promise to make Mexico pay for it for reals this time?

            She’s either for the wall or she’s against it. Trump is clearly for it. He’s done everything short of invoking emergency powers to build it, and he may still do that.

            1. I live in one of those states. I do not have the sense that immigration or a far away Wall are an issue.

              The first three issues are jobs and not just any job, followed by health care and the drug problem.

              1. Same here, I live in western PA; the people that swung the election in PA are my family, friends, neighbors, and myself. I live and work with these people. It was overwhelmingly not about a wall in western PA. Most of us don’t give a flying fuck about it.

                Will you find some support for the wall if you ask enough people, sure, of course. But that isn’t near what it was about in this region. It was about a few big things:

                -hatred of the clintons / her haggyness (a very weak candidate)
                -a message of hope for the rust belt (the industry lifers want to hear industry is coming back, Hillary literally told them maybe they need to look at retraining so they can get a job?! who would you vote for?)
                -the SJW identity politics madness of the far left
                -desire for tax cuts
                -middle finger to “govt classic”

                Those are by far the most consistent things that the independents and R’s in the “blue wall” states voted for. It certainly wasn’t a clamoring for Trump and his wall, that isn’t anything close to an everyday thought or threat in the midwest.

            2. To elaborate. Trump came to this region with grandiose romantic visions from the past of steel, cars and coal. None of that is happening and it cannot. Those days are gone. Talk with people about education, tech and a better future. The city of Akron is banking on its university, not tires. Nobody wants to crawl back in the coal mines. In fact GM is closing a plant nearby which will devestate one community.

              The only border around is with Canada and the only problem moving over it currently is cold air.

              1. the only problem moving over it currently is cold air.

                When I worked in Toronto for a few years, they would RIDICULE “dumbass Americans” who would visit Toronto with skis atop their cars.

        3. Things are going slower than planned, but Trump, and his supporters, didn’t count on a #DeepState coup against him.

          I’m willing to cut him a little slack in his timeline to fight the coup.

          1. All those people should be infederal prison for that, or worse.

          2. +1000

          3. lol @ hashtag deep state

            Obama started with majorities and then lost them. When the R’s obstructed him for the rest of his time the country thought:

            1. Thank you
            2. Good
            3. That’s how the fucking country works

            The extremely low bar for trump’s accomplishments in that every time he trips on his dick it’s the “#deepstate” or the democrats fault, is laughable. He cant make deals and he cant get shit done. Get over it man.

            But in the mind of his lemmings it’s always that he is this glowing patriot carrying the american flag uphill fighting off socialist traitors who want the country to implode, and any small step forward he makes is miraculous…because…well that’s how children rationalize things.

      3. I will give Trump credit where it is due. He understands that his employers are the people who voted for him, not the past presidents who signed treaties, and he acts accordingly. He is more willing to break a treaty than to break a campaign promise. After 8 years of Obama saying that the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty is negotiable, Trump decided to apply that logic to all treaties.

        After over a century of having a “living constitution” Americans might not take treaties seriously enough to expect our government to follow them. Heck, let’s be honest. How often do Reason viewers read a treaty from start to finish, much less think about America’s compliance with treaties?

      4. Trump promised to nominate Originalist-ish justices and judges and he has.

        1. FASCISTS like you LIE about original intent … and were TOTALLY ridiculed by … Thomas Jefferson.

  6. Considering all the proven cases of illegals’ crimes recently, our border is being invaded and is hardly a myth that there is real danger…

    1. Its too bad we don’t put up a wall to stop all those illegal temporal immigrants from coming in and committing crimes.

    2. The crime rate among illegal immigrants is 100% because it’s a crime to enter the country illegally!

    3. You link to a CRACKPOT source … that FAILS to prove illegals commit more crimes than native born.

      1. It doesn’t matter 2 shits whether illegals commit more or less crime as a percentage. They’re here, some of them commit crimes.
        Those who are fed up with the selective enforcement and entire states offering taxpayer money to pave the way for illegals don’t care if the wall is a wall or a barrier or whatever. They would like all of the laws enforced and if it is determined we need more unskilled labor then we open the spigot on legal immigration.

        1. COWARDLY DIVERSION ,… by a PROUD authoritarian.

  7. And yet ….

    “As Trump Sticks With His Wall, His Ratings Stay Stuck in Place”

    From yesterday’s NYT, https://www.nytimes.com/ 2019/01/12/upshot/trump-border-wall-polls.html

    1. “As Trump Sticks With His Wall, His Ratings Stay Stuck in Place”

      Those quotation marks are SHAMEFUL BULLSHIT!

      I fixed your link … to expose your sorry ass.

      The Wall Is Not Popular. (And Neither Is Trump.)

      There has been little polling since the government shutdown began last month, but what there is indicates that voters oppose a border wall, blame the president for the shutdown, believe the shutdown will have adverse consequences and don’t believe the government should be shut down over the wall.

      Support for the wall is closely tied to support for the president, though. Over all, polls show it consistently tracks just a few points beneath the president’s approval rating, and support for the wall is almost exclusively confined to voters who already support the president. ((((which is a MINORITY!)))

      It’s hard to see how the issue can be used to help him win re-election. Midterm exit poll data, election results, voter file data and pre-election polls indicate that the president’s approval rating is below 50 percent in states worth at least 317 electoral votes (270 are needed to win).

      Lying Trump supported by lying voters. PROVEN AGAIN

  8. Let’s review some of the claims here.

    1. The number of illegal immigrants is at a 10 year low, and there are less apprehensions at the border, so there’s no crisis.

    The numbers are a little misleading. That’s because the United States currently has the highest number of illegal immigrants in the first world…and one of the highest per capita, at roughly 1 in 30. That, by the way, is pretty amazing. One out of every 30 people in the US is here illegally, and alone is a reason for enhanced security.

    However the crisis is not the pure numbers, but the shift towards families and unaccompanied minors, rather than previously what were generally healthy adults. The crisis is 5 and 6 year old children trying to hike through rough wilderness to cross the border, coming down will illnesses, and dying. A wall acts as a visible barrier to stop them, thus preventing them from trying in the first place.

    2. Overstaying visas is the real numbers problem.

    Again, this avoids the crisis issue. Leave alone the issue that people who get visas have to get clearance to get into the country to start. It is the rush to cross the border illegally, then try to claim asylum, then being released into the US that’s the issue. (This generally doesn’t work when entering through a port of entry)

    1. The crisis is 5 and 6 year old children trying to hike through rough wilderness to cross the border, coming down will illnesses, and dying. A wall acts as a visible barrier to stop them, thus preventing them from trying in the first place.

      If hundreds of miles of rough wilderness isn’t enough of a natural ‘wall’ to deter these migrants, then a stupid steel fence that a saw can cut through isn’t going to do the trick either.

      1. Coyotes ride them in the back of trucks a good part of the way, but often dump them in the middle of nowhere with nothing if they think there may be trouble.
        Coyotes can’t just drive across a wall, so their focal point will be switched to smuggling through checkpoints. There’s a lot less danger if a panicky smuggler dumps you near a border crossing than in the middle of the desert.

        1. It’s so cute that you actually want people to think that you have actual concern for the well being of these migrants.

          1. What, you’re a mind reader now?

            Who cares about his or your feelings? What a waste of time you’ve become

          2. Oh look, Jeffy o,yam get the race card again. When he swears he doesn’t do that.

          3. Ummm, What? Do you deny that asylum seekers are dying in the wilderness or do you think that is secondary to proving how much you feelz more than the other guy?

            1. I think people like FancyLad dishonestly pretend to care about the well being of migrants being smuggled by coyotes, in order to justify their big beautiful wall fantasies, when in reality these same people couldn’t give two shits if the migrants died, just as long as they died *somewhere else* and not in America.

        2. The only reason coyotes exist in the first place (the human kind) is the labor prohibition represented by immigration enforcement.

          Same as with drug lords and drug prohibition.

          Same as with pimps and sex prohibition.

          There’s a very simple way to take away the power of coyotes, and drug lords, and pimps, to make people’s lives miserable.

          1. The only reason coyotes exist in the first place (the human kind) is the labor prohibition represented by immigration enforcement.

            No, the only reason is our giant welfare state.

            1. Would you walk 2,000 miles on foot through a foreign country filled with ‘bad hombres’ for the sake of Section 8 vouchers? Really?

              What do you think is going through the heads of migrants as they are walking north?

              1. Would you stick around Venezuela when you can’t buy food or toilet paper?

                1. You mean Venezuela is like the Walgreens in Paterson if you’re an out-of-towner?

              2. Jeffy, you clearly have a soft, pampered existence. So you don’t understand these things of which you speak.

                1. (sneer)
                  Trump publicly humiliates himself again!

                  President Trump Went to a Border Town to Prove They Need a Wall. Residents Say Otherwise.

                  McAllen Mayor Jim Darling, … I understand why someone would say ‘Okay, those were all confiscated at the point of entry, so what’s that gotta do with people crossing the river?'”

                  Julie Hillrichs, spokeswoman for the Texas Border Coalition, a group of border mayors (including Darling), county judges and border communities focused on issues that impact border quality of life for more than 2.5 million people, tells TIME the Coalition believes the real way to increase security at the border would not be a wall, but increased investment in the legal ports of entry that already exist in their area.

                  “The Border Coalition has consistently over the years stated we believe the wall is a wasted investment.”

                  Read the whole piece to see how totally Trump screwed up

                  MORE PROOF! Trump a bat-shit crazy liar (for any who still NEED proof)
                  FBI data: the 100 most dangerous cities in America … NO border city in the top 60, SUCKERS!

                  The “crisis” is not at the border. It’s in Trump’s total lack of moral values. And his low-information puppets.

          2. Yes, we should improve our immigration process by streamlining the process and issuing more visas. It will take a long time to get congress on board with that. In the meanwhile, a series of pocket parks will reduce the suffering of asylum seekers.

        3. Yeah, there’s a humanitarian reason to not let the current system of hiking through the wilderness of the American Southwest continue. A series of small parks on our side of the border where asylum seekers can wait for ICE can accomplish this more affordably.

      2. Mighty strong 5 and 6 year olds…

    2. We caught 500,000 last year so that’s at least 500,000 criminals entering the country. Why are you soft on crime? Maybe we should all just start ignoring the law?

    3. ANOTHER dishonest lawyer!!

      Let’s review some of the claims here.

      Lies about his own words!

      1. The number of illegal immigrants is at a 10 year low, and there are less apprehensions at the border, so there’s no crisis.

      That’s because the United States currently has the highest number of illegal immigrants in the first world

      And red is a color because my shirt has buttons.

  9. Now, let’s review Trump’s best option here for ending the Crisis. Declaring an Emergency.

    Democrats don’t want the wall. Not because they’re opposed to it (many voted for it before). But because Trump wants it. The wall effective, generally inoffensive, generally doesn’t hurt people, and a good visible sign, especially for people who lack the physical strength to cross it. Here’s the Trump plan.

    1. Declare an Emergency due to the crisis at the southern border, coupled with the lack of funding for Government Employees charged with protecting the border.
    2. Use DoD funds to build more of the wall, in accordance with the Secure Fences Act of 2006, which allows the Secretary of Homeland Security to build all physical barriers necessary to secure the southern border.
    3. Rather than use eminent domain (initially), authorize payment up to 3 times the value of the property in order to secure swift access to the property. It’ll probably save money by not having to fight the lawsuits.
    4. In addition, use some of the funds to pay the federal employees currently tasked with supporting the security of the country, as employees who aren’t paid begin to represent a potential risk, due to financial difficulties.

    The beauty here is
    1. No eminent domain reduces the court issues and potential for lawsuits.
    2. Getting the fence built quickly makes it harder to remove
    3. Funding the employees working without pay is a important. Democrats will look foolish if they try to stop payment.

    1. There are a few different points of view here re immigration, but I doubt you’ll find too much agreement with tyrannical declarations of emergency. Even Lincoln gets shit for that.
      Second, while Congress may have authorized the building of the wall, they didn’t provide funds for it.

      1. Obama used the declarations of national emergency eleven times.

    2. He’d be impeached. And convicted.

      1. Wait, what? You’re saying Trump ~won’t~ be impeached after the Mueller Report?!?

        Ruh-REEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

        1. Wait, what? You’re saying Trump ~won’t~ be impeached after the Mueller Report?!?

          How often does Dace Highlander make a TOTAL public fool of him/her self?

          (sneer)

  10. Hundreds of thousands of unidentified people crossing the border unchecked is a pretty good sign of a porous border.

    Itd be nice if Gillespie/Reason/Cato were honest about why they oppose border control: “Fuck the middle and working class, that’s why.”
    “Progress uber alles!”

    1. They’re obviously part of the child sex trafficking/fentanyl smuggling cartel that rules the Southwest.

    2. LAME bullshit to cover up TRUMP’S psychotic lies.

      1. TheLibertyTruthTeller|1.13.19 @ 7:40PM|#
        “LAME bullshit to cover up TRUMP’S psychotic lies.”

        Not enough CAPS and !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, you pathetic piece of shit.

        1. Easy there, Red Hihn. Don’t get too worked up.

      2. The Hihnfaggot hath reared it’s ugly head. It must be done fucking chickens for,the day.

        1. (sneer)
          Trump publicly humiliates himself again!

          President Trump Went to a Border Town to Prove They Need a Wall. Residents Say Otherwise.

          McAllen Mayor Jim Darling, … I understand why someone would say ‘Okay, those were all confiscated at the point of entry, so what’s that gotta do with people crossing the river?'”

          Spokeswoman for the Texas Border Coalition, a group of border mayors (including Darling), county judges and border communities focused on issues that impact border quality of life for more than 2.5 million people, tells TIME the Coalition believes the real way to increase security at the border would not be a wall, but increased investment in the legal ports of entry that already exist in their area.

          “The Border Coalition has consistently over the years stated we believe the wall is a wasted investment.”

          Read the whole piece to see how totally Trump screwed up

          MORE PROOF! Trump a bat-shit crazy liar (for any who still NEED proof)
          FBI data: the 100 most dangerous cities in America … NO border city in the top 60, SUCKERS!

          The “crisis” is not at the border. It’s in Trump’s total lack of moral values. And his low-information puppets.

          1. ANOTHER ass-whupping on Trump … this one by a GURL!

            Border Agent Debunks Trump’s Case For A Wall To His Face: This Is A Tunnel Built Under Existing Wall

            U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agent Melissa Lucio showed President Trump how enterprising border crossers have dug elaborate tunnels under walled off sections of the U.S.-Mexico border, “Here, this is just a couple of miles from where we stand. This is a tunnel,” she said, pointing to a photograph of the tunnel. “This is the second tunnel recently that we have located. This is an area that we actually have wall.”

            She’s not being paid, and a woman, but she IS protecting the borders
            a) on the job, and
            b) by whupping Trump’s sorry ass.

            Clearly, his border visit was HUMILIATING

            1. The wall is already there.

              Hihn you still suck and the shit on your site is more insane than anything Trump, Obama, Bush and Clinton have ever done or said.

              1. (Boldface in defense of MORE aggression by a PROVEN idiot)

                The wall is already there.

                (sneer)
                WHO TELLS TRUMP????? (sneer)

                That’s even crazieer than your MASSIVE fuckup on national debt!

                HERE. YOU ASSAULT ME FOR QUOTING TIME MAGAZINE.
                It was TIME who kicked your pathetic ass.
                FAKE NEWS?

                1. It was TIME who kicked your pathetic ass.

                  And the Guardian
                  AND THE FBI!

                  ATTACK THE MESSENGER FOR FACTS … as the THUG you are.

    3. For our betters things like lawn care, live-in maids and nanny services can be expensive as hell if you have to pay a minimum wage to a government licensed provider. Fighting the over-regulation that leads to those expenses is hard and fruitless.

      It’s far more progressive and tolerant to just pay Consuelo 20 bucks and a 2 packs of instant ramen for a 14 hour day. If only the Orange Man weren’t so racist he’d see the value of undocumented labour too.

      1. It’s far more progressive and tolerant to just pay Consuelo 20 bucks and a 2 packs of instant ramen for a 14 hour day.

        The compassionate thing to do, of course, is to deport Consuelo back to Guatemala, where she will make 2 bucks a day!

        1. Hey, just because you’re too lazy to do your own yardwork doesn’t mean we have to craft national immigration policy around it.

          1. And zing! There goes the point right over your head.

            The point is, many of the people around here who pretend to be so concerned about the well being of these migrants, have absolutely no problem deporting them back to shithole countries where they will likely fare much worse.

            1. And here you are mind reading again.

              Why do you assume anyone gives a damn about anyone else? Why can’t we be concerned about our own lives and where our money goes? Why can’t you keep your greedy progressive hands out of my pocket? Why can’t people fix their own problems instead of running to us?

              1. I think that people like FancyLad dishonestly pretend to care about the well being of migrants, by bringing up migrants being exploited working under the table, when those very same people would have no problems seeing those migrants being exploited under far worse conditions, as long as they are exploited *somewhere else* and not in America.

            2. Jeffy, ost of is here have so much shit paifpd for on our backs you couldn’t possibly imagine it. Illegals are just one more. And there will be a breaking point.

              Just because you’re a kid with mommy and daddy taking care of you doesn’t give you the right to dump the cost of your feelz on the rest of us.

            3. Are there any laws you feel you need to follow? It’s really telling how you feel like you should be able to pay them below what is legal. I’m assuming you are against all minimum wage laws and child labor laws?

      2. is this the libertarian website where we all defend the virtues of minimum wage law and occupational licensing?

        and shit on freedom of association?!?

  11. The reason immigrants come here is because we destabilize their countries with military ‘aid’. I hope Trump follows through with his threat to cut them off. This more than anything will staunch the flow. The wall is a complete abomination. Far better to spend the money on another moon shot or something fun. Or just let people keep their own money. The purpose of the wall isn’t to build it but to not build it. Why? As a pretext to round up the bad homres and detain them indefinitely, and if anyone complains say, “We can’t send them back – the wall isn’t built yet you idiot!” As a bad hombre myself whose ‘homeland’ is Israel, this makes me shudder. Lord knows none of you lunkheads will speak out for me.

    1. The reason immigrants come here is because we destabilize their countries with military ‘aid’

      Crazy Trumptard LIAR has been brainwashed to believe we provide MILITARY aid … to dictators!!! OMFG

      How many times can these VERY low-in formation voters publicly humiliate themselves?

      1. Fuck off Hihn.

        1. How many times can these VERY low-in formation voters publicly humiliate themselves?
          That was another.

          1. Hihnfaggot, I have a question.

            After you finish fucking the chicken, do you then bite it’s head off too?

            Just curious. Oh, amd. Fuck off.

            1. (snort)
              ANOTHER ass-whupping on Trump … this one by a GURL!

              Border Agent Debunks Trump’s Case For A Wall To His Face: This Is A Tunnel Built Under Existing Wall

              U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agent Melissa Lucio showed President Trump how enterprising border crossers have dug elaborate tunnels under walled off sections of the U.S.-Mexico border, “Here, this is just a couple of miles from where we stand. This is a tunnel,” she said, pointing to a photograph of the tunnel. “This is the second tunnel recently that we have located. This is an area that we actually have wall.”

              She’s not being paid, and a woman, but she IS protecting the borders
              a) on the job, and
              b) by whupping Trump’s sorry ass.

              Clearly, his border visit was HUMILIATING.

              1. Isnt this more of a case of we need even more intense security than just a wall? That we need extra?

                1. Isnt this more of a case of we need even more intense security than just a wall? That we need extra?

                  No. It proves that a wall is the LOWEST priority.

                  ANOTHER ass-whupping on Trump … this one by a GURL!

                  Border Agent Debunks Trump’s Case For A Wall To His Face: This Is A Tunnel Built Under Existing Wall

                  U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agent Melissa Lucio showed President Trump how enterprising border crossers have dug elaborate tunnels under walled off sections of the U.S.-Mexico border, “Here, this is just a couple of miles from where we stand. This is a tunnel,” she said, pointing to a photograph of the tunnel. “This is the second tunnel recently that we have located. This is an area that we actually have wall.”

                  She’s not being paid, and is a woman, but she IS protecting our borders
                  a) on the job, and
                  b) by whupping Trump’s sorry ass.

                  Trump’s border visit, ANOTHER public humiliation!

            2. How many times can these VERY low-in formation voters publicly humiliate themselves?
              That was another

              And this another.

              1. (That last one was zeroed in on Last of the Shitheads, not damikesc)

    2. Lord knows none of you lunkheads will speak out for me.

      Are you worried about a silent Holocaust, or a more individualistic deadly “no snitch” situation that Jews might get caught up in one family at a time?

  12. CLEARLY, the conditions in Central America are very very bad, so bad that many people there think that walking a thousand miles across a foreign country with nothing but the clothes on their back is a viable alternative to staying put. The government can put more and more border security measures all they want, but it won’t change this essential dynamic of why the migrants are leaving. So, we libertarians can either demand that the state build the wall higher and higher and higher, or, we can advocate actually doing something to ameliorate the terrible conditions in those foreign countries.

    Of course progressives want to just hurl taxpayer money at their corrupt governments in the form of foreign aid. The neocons want to bomb them into a state of liberty.

    A much better solution to all of that is to simply allow these migrants to work here and send remittances home back to their families. Those remittances are a form of foreign aid that bypasses the corrupt governments and actually have a measurable impact in making these desperate people’s lives better in those places. It is not trivial either – in a nation like Haiti, remittances can constitute upwards of 30% of total GDP. That is huge.

    If you don’t like this idea, then what is yours? Just building bigger and bigger walls doesn’t change the reasons for the migrants to leave in the first place.

    1. Literally: reverse colonialism

      1. What precisely are you so afraid of, Nardz?

        1. Reverse colonialism. He was pretty clear.

          1. So you are afraid that Guatemalans will conquer and subjugate Americans living here?

            1. Appears they’re doing so, if progressive social justice narratives are considered conventional wisdom now.

            2. See CA for details.

              One party Leftist crap state.

              1. Jeffy isn’t capable of understanding things, or learning.

              2. You’re right. Prop 187 had nothing at all to do with CA being the state that it’s in. It’s all the brown peoples’ fault!

                What about TX? How come CA is always brought up as the cautionary tale. TX has just as many illegal immigrants as CA does and yet TX seems to be doing just fine.

                1. “TX seems to be doing just fine.”

                  Go look at the House map for Texas. The Southernmost districts are all blue.

                  TX is going the way of CA. They just started with a more conservative base.

        2. Wogs, niggers. wops, dagoes and spics. Isn’t it obvious?

          He’s probably a little afraid of kikes and polacks too.

          1. Maybe chinks, japs and gooks, as well.

          2. WTF is a ‘wog’?

            1. Any “nonwhite” person, but used for Irish.

              1. While “Any “nonwhite” person” is generally correct the term is specifically applied to Indians (sib-continent) and Arabs, not the Irish

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns0uRr6aPQE.

            2. ‘wog’ s the diminutive of ‘golliwog’

          3. You forgot crackers and honkies.

        3. What precisely are you so afraid of, Nardz?Facts have always been a threat to liars.

          1. Must be why you work so,scrupulously to avoid them, eh Hihnfaggot?

            1. Your ilk has been oppressing and bullying others for centuries.
              Libertarians have been defying you for 50 years. You’ve already lost.
              As PROVEN by your INFANTILE nothingburgers.

              Keep them coming, Chump.

    2. Well Chemhead,
      Perhaps exercising the simple power of pain or pleasure is in order.

      “Just building bigger and bigger walls doesn’t change the reasons for the migrants to leave.”
      No, shit it doesn’t change the reasons but it sure does play a role in their ability and willingness to come here. Are you suggesting a strategy to change their reasons making America an equivalent shithole, or better yet, a greater shithole to really dis-incentivize them from coming.

      Yeah, send those f’ing remittances back, you know, the money that they could be using to make an actual contribution by stimulating America’s economy instead of just being parasites. Oh, that’s right. They already give so much in taxes which makes me wonder how they do it. Obviously, those that exploit them for profit at the expense of others would disagree with me.

      1. You really think people who are willing to walk for a thousand miles through a foreign country where law and order is more of a theoretical concept than an actual one, will be deterred by a wall that can be cut through with a simple saw?

        Fine. Suppose you’re right. Suppose the government builds bigger and bigger walls, deports all the illegals, sends them all home. Then Guatemala gets even poorer because there’s a lot fewer remittances coming home. It’s even more of a shithole now. What is your big plan now? “Screw them I don’t care”? Well, at some point not even your big beautiful wall will deter them. Then what?

        1. will be deterred by a wall that can be cut through with a simple saw?
          Oh. So you actually bought Setyon’s asinine argument that initial materials testing for something not even designed yet, somehow constitutes a finished product.
          You’re either incredibly dishonest, incredibly credulous or both. I’m thinking number three.

          1. You’re right. I’m sure the final wall will be made of an alloy of Adamantium and Vibranium.

            1. We could always build it with leftovers from the burrito trucks.

            2. Actually Jeffy, the wall proposals I’ve seen involve a multi stage barrier that provides countermeasures to various types of circumvention. I would invite you to investigate the proposal, but you’re too stupid and uninterested in that.

              1. +100

                1. +100 for Last of the Shitlords.

        2. Eliminate the incentives and create deterrence. This is not rocket science AND OH YEAH IT WORKED FOR ITALY. Who woulda guessed.

          Migrant crisis: Illegal entries to EU at lowest level in five years

          “An estimated 150,000 illegal crossings were registered by Frontex last year, the lowest amount since 2013.

          It highlighted a sharp fall in the numbers crossing the Mediterranean to Italy, where a populist government has refused to allow rescue boats to dock.”

          1. From your article:

            “In September, UNHCR said that while the number of people arriving in Europe had fallen, the number of deaths had risen sharply.

            International Organization for Migration (IOM) data says that more than 2,000 people died or went missing making crossings last year.”

            So the migrants are still seeking to migrate, they are just taking more risks in trying to do so.

            And last I checked, Libya is still a shithole country. So the conditions there which encourages migrations haven’t measurably changed.

            It’s the same deal here. So what is your solution?

          2. “Eliminate the incentives and create deterrence.”

            Well, the PRIMARY incentive to migrate here is the vastly larger amount of economic opportunity here compared to most of Central America. Unless there actually is a sovereign debt default or something, that’s not going to change anytime soon.

            And as I pointed out, deterrence only goes so far. In that article you linked, those same migrants are still trying to migrate to Europe, they are just taking more risks and/or going the long way round. Then what?

            1. If it’s hard enough, few get through. And we can catch most of,them once it’s a smaller number.

            2. Your chosen solution will work wonders on eliminating that incentive. Go away with your faux concern over other people using money forcibly stolen from others.

            3. I can’t understand the kind of mind that can think that “you’ve got something better than me, so I get you stuff, too” is a valid idea.

              Americans didn’t take the Untied States from anyone–they bought conquered and settled land that is much like the land on the other side of the border and BUILT the economic engine we have today.

              Do what we did. It would even be easier–most of the nations in south and central America have already cast off the colonial shackles. Now simply use the Constitution and you’ll have what WE have.

        3. Yes. Fuck them. They aren’t entitled to our resources

          Now what?

          1. At some point, their problems become our problems. That is my point.

            1. Yes, when they come here and receive welfare

              Now you’re getting it

          2. Whatchoo mean “our”resources, leach?

        4. Are you saying that law and order is just a theoretical concept in Mexico? Isn’t that just a bit racist? Are you saying our brown brothers south of the Rio Grande routinely abrogate the law? And that the white overlords north of the Rio Grande uphold the law and it isn’t a detriment to the brown brothers coming here? I’m so confused by your blatant racism.

      2. I think Chemjeff’s suggestion of letting more people work here legally and send remittance home is the best solution we have. It’s not like there is a limited supply of work or workers. This is not the local warehouse where you can chase out all the hard workers until the 4 lazy guys left can squeeze the boss for more pay or an inner city school where you can taunt the studious kid until the teacher has to choose between handing out free A’s or failing everyone. With a national population of over 300 million people, trying to alter the USA economy via the immigration policy is foolish, inhumane, and ineffective.

        1. We should also ask why Ciudad Juarez is not the preferred destination for Spanish speaking migrants. It is a large Mexican city across the river from El Paso. How about Americans setting up a non-profit in El Paso to send volunteers to Ciudad Juarez to revitalize that city until it becomes a more attractive destination than the USA is?

    3. “If you don’t like this idea, then what is yours? Just building bigger and bigger walls doesn’t change the reasons for the migrants to leave in the first place.”

      I agree. Lady Liberty was wearing a short skirt and she clearly wanted it, the Guatemalans and Hondurans were only giving her what she wanted; she wanted more of them in her.

    4. Prohibit the government from initiating force.

      1. How many times can you fuck that up?

        1. Fuck off and die, Hihn.

        2. Hihnfaggot, time for you to commit suicide!

          1. Study: Most Innocent People Need to Hire Thirty-Five Lawyers at Some Point

            (The Borowitz Report)?According to the study, thirty-five is the “bare minimum” number of lawyers that an innocent person should have on retainer in the event that he or she becomes the subject of an entirely unjustified criminal investigation.

            “An innocent person who has absolutely nothing to hide should do everything in his or her power to avoid answering questions from investigators,” he said. “Thirty-five lawyers can really help you do that.”

            “Nothing says ‘I’m innocent’ like hiring thirty-five lawyers,” he said.

            Logsdon emphasized that thirty-five lawyers provide necessary protection against unforeseen legal complications. “If, for example, one of your lawyers goes to prison, you will still have thirty-four,” he said.

            “Legal bills for thirty-five lawyers can be very expensive, unless you’re a person who doesn’t pay his bills.”

    5. There was a column published today, by the first Guatamaulian congress critter, urging the US help support the United Nations team in Guatemala. It seems to lay out the history of the current crisis fairly well, and argues that improving Guatemala would help stem the tide of illegals from that country.

      1. EXACTLY. And remittances back home is about the most libertarian-friendly version of foreign aid that exists. I doubt that giving money to some UN dude is the best way to spend money, though.

        1. How many checks have you sent to Guatemala this month?

          1. Dan, I’m not sure Jeffy’s allowance is enough for that sort of thing. No matter how many tantrums he has when his parents say no.

          2. Dan, I’m not sure Jeffy’s allowance is enough for that sort of thing. No matter how many tantrums he has when his parents say no.

          3. Guatemalans are doing what you ask of them – helping to make their own country better. And they are doing it in the most libertarian way imaginable – working a job and sending their own earned money back home to their own families. And that isn’t even good enough for you.

            1. Your citation fell off Chemjeff.

            2. I’m asking illegals to leave.

        2. In fairness, we have to also consider the security situation. Foreign aid to Somalia was difficult, because of the violence, and we gave up on securing that country rather quickly under Bill Clinton.

      2. “Give us money or we’ll send more poor people”

        If I ever need to hold someone ransom it will 100 percent be a progressive

        1. TRUMP IS A PROGRESSIVE!

    6. “Invasion America, because sad foreigners.”

      1. With your choice of strategies, you can’t keep out the “invaders” forever. At some point you will have to consider the reasons why those countries are the way they are, in a serious manner, and not just some simplistic “well they are brown people therefore inferior” type of bigoted nonsense.

        1. Why can’t we just improve Mexico to the point that they will stop there?

        2. racebaitingjeff strikes again, in his usual racist way.

          Just can’t see any other reason for countries being the way they are besides the race of the people in them.

          Lefties are always guilty of whatever they accuse you of.

    7. The last step of that journey says something too: Life in Mexico is so bad, that Spanish speakers choose to add over 1,000 miles to the trip and cross into the USA instead of settling in Mexico’s southern most towns. Please tell us more about how inhumane Mexico is.

  13. You can’t push a string, and you can’t protect people who don’t want to be safe. I mean you can try, but when this happens, don’t say I didn’t warn you.

    1. Hysteria monger.

      1. Fuck off and die, Hihn.

        1. Then you would lose your arch nemesis, Red Hinh, and would drift aimlessly through the streets of San Francisco, stepping in feces.

          1. Fuck of and die scumbag CMB.

            1. Study: Most Innocent People Need to Hire Thirty-Five Lawyers at Some Point

              (The Borowitz Report)?According to the study, thirty-five is the “bare minimum” number of lawyers that an innocent person should have on retainer in the event that he or she becomes the subject of an entirely unjustified criminal investigation.

              “An innocent person who has absolutely nothing to hide should do everything in his or her power to avoid answering questions from investigators,” he said. “Thirty-five lawyers can really help you do that.”

              “Nothing says ‘I’m innocent’ like hiring thirty-five lawyers,” he said.

              Logsdon emphasized that thirty-five lawyers provide necessary protection against unforeseen legal complications. “If, for example, one of your lawyers goes to prison, you will still have thirty-four,” he said.

              “Legal bills for thirty-five lawyers can be very expensive, unless you’re a person who doesn’t pay his bills.”

    2. Listen to what the Tibbett family is saying and doing.

      Carries a lot more weight than anything you or I can say.

      Dajjal, do you know anything about the author of this quote?

      “Fear builds walls to bar the light”
      Baal Shem Tov

      1. What is the Tibbett family doing?

        Why, they’ve taken in a relative of the man who killed their daughter. That’s what the Tibbett family is doing.

        Is it an elaborate revenge wherein they will engender such a great sense of trust that they will be able to stream his skinning over Facebook live as a mariachi band mixes in with the sounds of his screams?

        Or did they hate their daughter so much that they would give aid to a relative of her killer–whose family fled because they were afraid that they would get picked up because they were such a tight knit family?

        There is ‘turning the other cheek’, and there is ‘washing the blood and fingerprints off the knife that killed your child’.

        AAnd the Tibbett’s seem a lot closer to the latter.

        Why?

        T. D. S.

        1. Why, they’ve taken in a relative of the man who killed their daughter.

          Where did you get that?

          Or is all “all Mexicans are related” the latest variation on “all blacks look alike”?

  14. Indeed, the number of illegal immigrants in the country is at a 10-year low and the number of people caught trying to enter the country illegally between checkpoints on the Southern border is one-fourth of what it was in 2000 (see chart).

    Look, I’m with you guys when it comes to the stupidity and futility of building this wall. But who are you trying to convince here?

    Not anyone with an ounce of sense.

    Just because there’s fewer people illegally coming across the border today than at some time in the past doesn’t mean that today’s numbers aren’t a ‘crisis’ – it just means (at best) its less of a crisis than it was at that peak in the 2000’s. And it doesn’t mean the numbers couldn’t again spike at any time.

    I think it would help if you spent some time putting these arguments to the people who actually oppose immigration from the South and *listen* to their replies rather than putting these arguments to the people who already agree with you.

    The former will test your argument – forcing you to hone it – the latter will just nod and say ‘right on’.

    1. And you can say ‘but I’ve got better arguments later in the article’ all you want – you opened with the above. That’s what your opponent’s will fixate on. That irrelevant bit of data will be what they use to justify ignoring the rest as you having already been shown to be wrong.

  15. TRUMP should pay for the wall! Pay him 15% interest until the loan is repaid with dollars from Mexico! (Call out his bullshit, yet again)

    President Trump Went to a Border Town to Prove They Need a Wall. Residents Say Otherwise.

    McAllen Mayor Jim Darling … tells TIME that Okay, those were all confiscated at the point of entry, so what’s that gotta do with people crossing the river?'”

    Julie Hillrichs, spokeswoman for the Texas Border Coalition, a group of border mayors (including Darling), county judges and border communities focused on issues that impact border quality of life for more than 2.5 million people, tells TIME the Coalition believes the real way to increase security at the border would not be a wall, but increased investment in the legal ports of entry that already exist in their area.

    “The Border Coalition has consistently over the years stated we believe the wall is a wasted investment.”

    Read the whole piece to see how totally he screwed up AGAIN!

    MORE PROOF! Trump a bat-shit crazy liar (for any who still NEED proof)

    FBI data … the 100 most dangerous cities in America … NO border city in the top 60, SUCKERS!
    The “crisis” is not at the border. It’s Trump’s total lack of moral values … and “alternative facts” swallowed by his brainwashed cult of puppets.

    1. Fuck off Hihn.

      1. CRUSHED by the facts. Shoot the messenger,. Like all losers do,

        1. Fuck off and die, Hihn.

          1. Study: Most Innocent People Need to Hire Thirty-Five Lawyers at Some Point

            (The Borowitz Report)?According to the study, thirty-five is the “bare minimum” number of lawyers that an innocent person should have on retainer in the event that he or she becomes the subject of an entirely unjustified criminal investigation.

            “An innocent person who has absolutely nothing to hide should do everything in his or her power to avoid answering questions from investigators,” he said. “Thirty-five lawyers can really help you do that.”

            “Nothing says ‘I’m innocent’ like hiring thirty-five lawyers,” he said.

            Logsdon emphasized that thirty-five lawyers provide necessary protection against unforeseen legal complications. “If, for example, one of your lawyers goes to prison, you will still have thirty-four,” he said.

            “Legal bills for thirty-five lawyers can be very expensive, unless you’re a person who doesn’t pay his bills.”

    2. Hihnfaggot FAILS AGAIN!

      1. Hihnfaggot FAILS AGAIN!

        NOT TO ANYONE WHO CHECKS THE LINKS. (SNORT)

        Your ilk has been oppressing and bullying others for centuries.
        Libertarians have been defying you for 50 years. You’ve already lost.
        As PROVEN by your INFANTILE nothingburgers.

        Keep them coming, Chump.
        Childish insults versus documented proof

  16. “Building walls or fences isn’t going to stop that.”

    Is it a panacea and why is it being framed as so? But it can discourage no?

    The thing I don’t understand is people who are pushing back against Trump seem to be okay or at least comfortable with some level of illegal immigration because whaddya gonna do? I could be wrong.

    Not even Canadians are that flippant:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4HHENGtfOE

    1. “Building walls or fences isn’t going to stop that.”

      Is it a panacea and why is it being framed as so?

      Because Trump is a PUSSY, being controlled by two women, both blonde!

      The thing I don’t understand

      There are thousands.

      people who are pushing back against Trump seem to be okay or at least comfortable with some level of illegal immigration because whaddya gonna do? I could be wrong.

      You’re full of shit. Probably say they’re coming for our guns. And Obama is from Kenya, And Trump will not get hauled off to prison.

      Hysteria is the game of dictators, And their eagerly brainwashed puppets.

    2. You can never get the crime rate down to zero for any crime. This begs the question: What level of illegal immigration can we consider background noise instead of a problem to address?

      1. You can never get the crime rate down to zero for any crime. A higher share of illegals would REDUCE our rate!

        Also when Trump is jailed.

  17. Are a bunch of individual-freedom maximalists making excuses for an authoritarian power grab in order to build a monument to the incompetent authoritarian’s own ego at taxpayer expense? All is normal, carry on.

    1. “Socialist for Latin American invasion of America so they can escape their socialist crapholes”

      1. Dog whistles do not become you. Why aren’t you agitating for a wall on the Canadian border, as full of socialists as that country is?

        1. Because Canadians are not invading America in large numbers.

    2. Hey Tony, it’s too bad you’re not dead.

    3. Hey Tony, it’s too bad you’re not dead.

      1. Your ilk has been oppressing and bullying others for centuries.
        Libertarians have been defying you for 50 years. You’ve already lost.
        As PROVEN by your INFANTILE nothingburgers.

        PLEASE Keep them coming, Chump!

  18. In 2016, the Department of Homeland Security said 170,000 people entered the country illegally outside of border checkpoints while 628,000 people who entered the country legally overstayed visas [and] the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is emphatic that virtually all heroin and fentanyl enters the country through legal checkpoints.

    *** scratches head ***

    Is this reason fodder for Trump to close the legal checkpoints?

    1. ***scratches head ****
      Do you realize you asked that in public?

      1. Fuck off and die, Hihn.

        1. Your ilk has been oppressing and bullying others for centuries.
          Libertarians have been defying you for 50 years. You’ve already lost.
          As PROVEN by your INFANTILE nothingburgers.

          PLEASE Keep them coming, Chump!

  19. The border wall has already been built you stupid fucking idiots. Your memories are trash. We had this debate in Bush’s administration after 9/11 no less and they built the walls and shoveled money at the border and immigration. They created Homeland Security to specifically focus on terrorists and the border. They poured money into military and border enforcement to fund the “homeland defense.” They built walls where it MADE SENSE (to the rightwing scum of that day) and used other methods to control the other places. Unauthorized immigration plummeted as a result of the “money is no object we have to protect the homeland” mentality that took hold after 9/11. This new “emergency” from the King of Crazy is all about giving his brain dead morally bankrupt sycophants something to chew on to distract them all from their pathetic sadistic lives and the daily disgraces from the Trump administration.

    1. “This new “emergency” from the King of Crazy is all about giving his brain dead morally bankrupt sycophants something to chew on to distract them all from their pathetic sadistic lives and the daily disgraces from the Trump administration.”

      Thank you, exceptional piece of shit.

    2. Hopefully MS-13 carjacks your family members.

      1. (sneer)
        Trump publicly humiliates himself again!

        President Trump Went to a Border Town to Prove They Need a Wall. Residents Say Otherwise.

        McAllen Mayor Jim Darling, … I understand why someone would say ‘Okay, those were all confiscated at the point of entry, so what’s that gotta do with people crossing the river?'”

        Julie Hillrichs, spokeswoman for the Texas Border Coalition, a group of border mayors (including Darling), county judges and border communities focused on issues that impact border quality of life for more than 2.5 million people, tells TIME the Coalition believes the real way to increase security at the border would not be a wall, but increased investment in the legal ports of entry that already exist in their area.

        “The Border Coalition has consistently over the years stated we believe the wall is a wasted investment.”

        Read the whole piece to see how totally Trump screwed up

        MORE PROOF! Trump a bat-shit crazy liar (for any who still NEED proof)
        FBI data: the 100 most dangerous cities in America … NO border city in the top 60, SUCKERS!

        The “crisis” is not at the border. It’s in Trump’s total lack of moral values. And his low-information puppets.

        1. Fuck off and die, Hihn.

          1. “Fuck off and die, Hihn.”

            Typical worn out response from Sevo and the rest of the lockstepping clan when presented with reality.

            1. Yes ire either Hihnfaggot, or a Hihnfaggot collaborator.

              Either way, fuck off.

        2. Eat Shit, Hihn.

          1. ANOTHER ass-whupping on Trump … this one by a GURL!

            Border Agent Debunks Trump’s Case For A Wall To His Face: This Is A Tunnel Built Under Existing Wall

            U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agent Melissa Lucio showed President Trump how enterprising border crossers have dug elaborate tunnels under walled off sections of the U.S.-Mexico border, “Here, this is just a couple of miles from where we stand. This is a tunnel,” she said, pointing to a photograph of the tunnel. “This is the second tunnel recently that we have located. This is an area that we actually have wall.”

            She’s not being paid, and a woman, but she IS protecting the borders
            a) on the job, and
            b) by whupping Trump’s sorry ass.

            Clearly, his border visit was HUMILIATING.

    3. You read like a Lyndon LaRouche pamphlet.

      1. Your ilk has been oppressing and bullying others for centuries.
        Libertarians have been defying you for 50 years. You’ve already lost.
        As PROVEN by your INFANTILE nothingburgers.

        PLEASE Keep them coming, Chump!

  20. So what the hell is this invasion at the southern border that Rogue-republicans keep crying about because from where I’m standing I don’t see a damn thing!

    1. You can’t see much from inside your wives F.U.P.A

      1. (sneer)
        Trump publicly humiliates himself again!

        President Trump Went to a Border Town to Prove They Need a Wall. Residents Say Otherwise.

        McAllen Mayor Jim Darling, … I understand why someone would say ‘Okay, those were all confiscated at the point of entry, so what’s that gotta do with people crossing the river?'”

        Julie Hillrichs, spokeswoman for the Texas Border Coalition, a group of border mayors (including Darling), county judges and border communities focused on issues that impact border quality of life for more than 2.5 million people, tells TIME the Coalition believes the real way to increase security at the border would not be a wall, but increased investment in the legal ports of entry that already exist in their area.

        “The Border Coalition has consistently over the years stated we believe the wall is a wasted investment.”

        Read the whole piece to see how totally Trump screwed up

        MORE PROOF! Trump a bat-shit crazy liar (for any who still NEED proof)
        FBI data: the 100 most dangerous cities in America … NO border city in the top 60, SUCKERS!

        The “crisis” is not at the border. It’s in Trump’s total lack of moral values. And his low-information puppets.

        1. Fuck off and die, Hihn.

        2. Suck dick Hihn.

          1. (SNEER) ANOTHER ass-whupping on Trump … this one by a GURL!

            Border Agent Debunks Trump’s Case For A Wall To His Face: This Is A Tunnel Built Under Existing Wall (video at source)

            U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agent Melissa Lucio showed President Trump how enterprising border crossers have dug elaborate tunnels under walled off sections of the U.S.-Mexico border, “Here, this is just a couple of miles from where we stand. This is a tunnel,” she said, pointing to a photograph of the tunnel. “This is the second tunnel recently that we have located. This is an area that we actually have wall.”

            She’s not being paid, and a woman, but she IS protecting the borders
            a) on the job, and
            b) by whupping Trump’s sorry ass.

            Clearly, his border visit was HUMILIATING.

          2. Your ilk has been oppressing others for centuries.
            Libertarians have been defying you for 50 years. You’ve already lost.
            As PROVEN by your actions. (smirk)

            1. Chicken fucking Hihnfaggot eats his own shit.

              1. Childish AND a poor loser AND a whining pussy!!

    2. The conservative estimate of illegals in the country are at 10mil.

  21. I like this Welfare Wall idea. The bonus is if it looked like it had a chance of happening Shikha, Nick, Matt and Alex Nowrasteh would shit enough bricks to build Trump’s wall.

  22. The problem is the government initiating force. The solution is to prohibit it from doing so.

    1. Fucks up NAP again!
      But FINALLY agrees Trump is a fucking tyrant.

      1. Fuck off and die, Hihn.

        1. Study: Most Innocent People Need to Hire Thirty-Five Lawyers at Some Point

          (The Borowitz Report)?… thirty-five is the “bare minimum” number of lawyers that an innocent person should have on retainer in the event that he or she becomes the subject of an entirely unjustified criminal investigation.

          “An innocent person who has absolutely nothing to hide should do everything in his or her power to avoid answering questions from investigators,” he said. “Thirty-five lawyers can really help you do that.”

          “Nothing says ‘I’m innocent’ like hiring thirty-five lawyers.”

          “If, for example, one of your lawyers goes to prison, you will still have thirty-four,”

          “Legal bills for thirty-five lawyers can be very expensive, unless you’re a person who doesn’t pay his bills.”

  23. Feeling the pressure of investigations and a partial government shutdown.

    1. He knows he’ll be hauled off in handcuffs soon.

      1. Fuck off and die, Hihn.

      2. But you implied above that he wouldn’t be impeached after the Mueller Report!?!?!

        Ruh-REEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

        1. But you implied above that he wouldn’t be impeached after the Mueller Report!?!?!

          I GET TO RIDICULE YOUR ILLITERATE DUMBFUCKERY AGAIN!!
          (SMIRK)

          NOW. you equate conviction of impeachment with CONVICTION OF A CRIME! omfg
          Crazy-ass Trumptard says an impeachment conviction means being “hauled off in handcuffs.”

          They travel in a pack like wild dogs …. AND THEY VOTE.

  24. …is built upon a foundation of sand.

    Sand is great for building tunnels. Which part is sandy?? (asking for a friend)

    1. Are ALL Trumptards psycho liars?

      …is built upon a foundation of sand.
      President Donald Trump’s insistence that any new spending bill include somewhere around $5 billion for the construction of a border wall, barrier, or fence?is built upon a foundation of sand

      Sand is great for building tunnels. Which part is sandy?? (asking for a friend)

      For how long has the drool been dripping off your chin? (asking for a friend)

      1. Fuck off and die, Hihn,

      2. Have you ever considered not being a spammy piece of shit, Hihn?

        1. Your ilk has been oppressing others for centuries.
          Libertarians have been defying you for 50 years. You’ve already lost.
          As PROVEN by your actions.

          1. You only prove you Rick chickens Hihnfaggot.

            1. Your ilk has been oppressing and bullying others for centuries.
              Libertarians have been defying you for 50 years. You’ve already lost.
              As PROVEN by your INFANTILE nothingburgers.

              PLEASE Keep them coming, Chump!
              Childish insults versus documented proof

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  26. ANOTHER ass-whupping on Trump … this one by a GURL!

    Border Agent Debunks Trump’s Case For A Wall To His Face: This Is A Tunnel Built Under Existing Wall (video at source)

    U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agent Melissa Lucio showed President Trump how enterprising border crossers have dug elaborate tunnels under walled off sections of the U.S.-Mexico border, “Here, this is just a couple of miles from where we stand. This is a tunnel,” she said, pointing to a photograph of the tunnel. “This is the second tunnel recently that we have located. This is an area that we actually have wall.”

    She’s not being paid, and a woman, but she IS protecting the borders
    a) on the job, and
    b) by whupping Trump’s sorry ass.

    Clearly, his border visit was HUMILIATING.

    1. Which showed that walls work – they make it harder to cross the border. Digging a tunnel is a lot more work than strolling across a border.

      Security is about making things harder, not impossible.

      1. “Working” means STOPPING THE DRUGS, Trumptard.

  27. “People overstaying their visas” are basically people who fly in from the world outside America PLUS Mexicans. And America surely beefed up security everywhere since 9/11. In the 90’s Mexicans used to just cross the borders to get jobs at nearby American stores. Those days are gone.

    The wall wasn’t necessary in 2007. In the age of migrant surges, its something that should be considered without being dismissed out of hand. Assuming that the caravan becomes an biannual tradition and we build no additional walls anywhere, we’ll need to spend millions and billions to provide housing, medical services and legal feels for these people.

    You think citizens either Mexico or the United States (even Canada) will endure the migrant crossing for the next 10 years, you’re smoking something. A handful of kids died making the trip, and many more might go missing crossing a narco state ran by corrupt people. Inevitably, and predictably, a major tragedy will strike somewhere. Libertarians stress unintended consequences of the economy, I don’t understand why they don’t see it in the caravan.

    1. I don’t understand why they don’t see it in the caravan

      Oh they do, they just don’t give a shit. Because the caravan is full of *those people*.

    2. 3D-printed homes are coming to America. This will greatly reduce our need for illegal construction workers while making it easy to build homes for new arrivals. The bottleneck is the land use regulations that make neighbors fight over homes as if homes were scarce natural resources.

      1. 10 million illegals also drives up the demand for homes. Wouldn’t have to build so many if they left.

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  29. Nick ~ For the love of Pete … forget Donald Trump, the Border Patrol wants the wall because they know it works. Of course, the wall will not keep out people overstaying their visas. Don’t be daft. Build The Wall – Secure The Border! Send the welfare hordes back to Central America. What kind of Libertarian are you Nick …. the Marxist kind?

    1. the Border Patrol wants the wall because they know it work

      EVERYONE knows your a brainwashed goober!
      MOAR PROOF:

      Border Agent Debunks Trump’s Case For A Wall To His Face: This Is A Tunnel Built Under Existing Wall

      U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agent Melissa Lucio showed President Trump how enterprising border crossers have dug elaborate tunnels under walled off sections of the U.S.-Mexico border, “Here, this is just a couple of miles from where we stand. This is a tunnel,” she said, pointing to a photograph of the tunnel. “This is the second tunnel recently that we have located. This is an area that we actually have wall.”

      She’s not being paid, and a woman, but she IS protecting the borders
      a) on the job, and
      b) by whupping Trump’s sorry ass.
      Like yours was just whupped

  30. Whether traveling alone or as a family, asylum seekers from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador offer themselves to authorities in order to start the application process and, even though are overwhelmingly likely to be denied asylum (more on that in a moment), voluntarily show up for court dates between 83 percent and 99 percent of the time, according to government data.

    This is a key fact that changed my mind. It means that most illegal border crossings are simply the first step in following our asylum law, because we wrote the law that way. It’s logistically easier for us to run our asylum process if we do it on our land and we put the burden of getting into our jurisdiction on the asylum seeker instead of sending our army out to protect aspiring asylum seekers. If anything, lets build a series of pocket parks along our southern border to make the process of getting caught by ICE safer and more efficient for asylum seekers crossing between ports of entry.

  31. Between 1975 and 2017, 20 foreign-born terrorists who entered the country either illegally or as asylees. “[Eleven] terrorists who entered as asylum seekers murdered 9 people in terrorist attacks…. Of those 9 terrorists who entered illegally, only 3 did so along the border with Mexico.” The perpetrators were ethnic Albanians from Macedonia who were brought here as children.

    Yeah, I would bet on an Albanian over an Afghani in any fight. It’s a long story.

  32. Call it the art of the deal or whatever you want, but the guy wears people out until they give him what he wants.

    He can be difficult to negotiate with, but at least his supporters are not stabbing politicians who disagree with him.

  33. US Const., Article I, Section 9, Clause 1:
    The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each person.

    Congress has the power to regulate migrants as of 1808, the power for national defense, and the power for Naturalization rules.

    1. The “such persons” referred to above are slaves. No Constitutional scholar believes this clause refers to general immigration. Most Congress critters twist the clause granting authority to provide for universal rules of naturalization as a grant of power over immigration, but the Supreme Ct in cir. 1890 reached for penumbras emanating nonsense as grant of authority from power to enforce violations of law of Nations. This was obviously a big stretch, but because Supremes worship precedent, it has held up. The Tenth Amendment should rule, but the Supremes won’t allow it.
      There are a couple of bills languishing in Congress to allow States more power over immigration, but Congress is not known for relinquishing power over a hot button issue they can grandstand to inflame their bases and raise funds over.

      1. “No Constitutional scholar believes this clause refers to general immigration.”

        The clause literally refers to migration. Slaves did not “migrate” to the US. If they wanted to limit the clause to slaves, they could have just written slaves. They didn’t.

    2. That about SLAVERY, lovefascism1789
      AND CONGRESS KEEPS VOTING AGAINST IT !

    3. The clause is about slavery (see 13A) and free person migrants.

      1. LIAR fucks up WORSE!

  34. So why not disprove the stuff Trump actually alleges, with numbers n’ stuff? The more I see the more it looks like God’s Own Prohibitionists are at Armageddon. The wall with slots in it is less vulnerable to a blast wave. But piling brush against it and setting it alight could make it soft enough to droop on its own. All of this wall talk is handy for shifting attention away from the Equal Rights Amendments passing in places like Vermont.

    1. ANOTHER ass-whupping on Trump … this one by a GURL!

      Border Agent Debunks Trump’s Case For A Wall To His Face: This Is A Tunnel Built Under Existing Wall

      U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agent Melissa Lucio showed President Trump how enterprising border crossers have dug elaborate tunnels under walled off sections of the U.S.-Mexico border, “Here, this is just a couple of miles from where we stand. This is a tunnel,” she said, pointing to a photograph of the tunnel. “This is the second tunnel recently that we have located. This is an area that we actually have wall.”

      She’s not being paid, and is a woman, but she IS protecting our borders
      a) on the job, and
      b) by whupping Trump’s sorry ass.

      Trump’s border visit, ANOTHER public humiliation!
      Trumpbots be as wacky as Berniebots!!!!

  35. I see the “wall” issue as strictly partisan at this point. The Dems that oppose it voted for almost the exact thing several years ago and Repubs against.

    Living pretty close the border and in a sanctuary city I can honestly say that the number of illegals has gone way up (or is at least way more visible) over the past 10-15 years.

    Should we have some barrier to enter our Country – yes. Should it be the “wall” – in places yes. Will the “wall” stop people from trying to enter illegally – no. Will it do some good. In addition to the barrier that is already in place, I think so.

    The partisanship is causing the biggest issues and wasting the most time and money. Both sides are lying to fit their agenda without caring about anyone else.

  36. The porous border is a “myth”?

    How often do we read that an illegal immigrant that just killed somebody had been DEPORTED several times before?

    How are all these families and children that keep getting apprehended INSIDE the border get in?

    To claim the border isn’t porous is fantasy.

    1. Fickin-a-bubba …..

  37. just because apprehensions have fallen does not mean that people aren’t coming is other areas of our pourous border

  38. Not a fan at all of a wall. It’s supposed to be a free country, so let’s be free. The border doesn’t define the nation – the laws that operate up to the border is what matters.

    That said, this article seems full of misinformation.

    How can they possibly know if drugs are successfully smuggled across the border where there are insufficient defenses?

    The number of apprehensions is a similar dubious argument.

    Republicans could not have passed funding for the wall without some democrats. There’s a 60 vote cloture requirement in the senate and the republicans had 51 senators.

    &c

    1. We’re supposed to be a free country but we aren’t close. Drug prohibition alone proves that.

    2. The DEA probably has a fair estimate of the volume of drugs and where it is coming from. They use multiple sources of information, not just border seizures.

    3. The USA is a constitutional democratic republic.

  39. “Over the past several years, including two during which the Republican Party controlled the White House and Congress and could have appropriated funds to build the wall ”

    Uh, they would have needed Democrat votes in the Senate. Really? I thought Nick was better than lies like this.

  40. “there has been no mad rush or spike in people”

    There has been a massive increases in illegal border crossings since mid-2017, well over 100%. And more like 500% for “families” because they caught onto the “bring a kid and claim asylum” gambit.

    1. It is not illegal to cross the border and request asylum which is why people are doing it. It would be illegal to refuse to process the claim actually.

      1. Asylum is REQUIRED to be done form American soil.
        The only thing as dumb as a Trumptard is a Bernietard

  41. “Gang of Eight” was a joke – mass blanket amnesty first, then later on a promised, illusory “enforcement” that would never materialize. Just another open borders gambit.

  42. “The House Freedom Caucus gives a voice to countless Americans who feel that Washington does not represent them.”

    There is no issue on which D.C. fails to represent Americans to a greater extent than immigration, and it’s not even close. Black Americans are the most restrictionist, with an overwhelming majority support for slashing legal immigration levels to 0, 250k or 500k annually. Hispanic Americans are next, again with majority support for reducing legal immigration.

    1. LIAR

      1. Actually no, moron. Look up polling data. They just did some new large scale polls on the subject, and even a majority of Hispanics think both legal and illegal immigration should be reduced!

        Just because you’re a fuck wit who wants your fuck wit ideas to happen doesn’t mean everybody else does. I’m part beaner myself, and I’d deport every single man, woman, and child here illegally, ESPECIALLY “Dreamers” just to make a point that we won’t tolerate this shit anymore. Hell, I’d rescind the Reagan amnesty and toss all those fucks out too, and retroactively get rid of birth right citizenship if I could really get my wet dream to become reality…

        Now none of that stuff is likely, and I would be fine with plenty less than that… But all that stuff would be badass. And I’m part Mexican. So don’t go fooling yourself into thinking you know how everybody believes.

        1. The bullshittters BABBLE … NEVER with any links (like I ALWAYS provide)
          Guess why not!

          And THIS is downright PSYCHO

          So don’t go fooling yourself into thinking you know how everybody believes.

          WHERE did I do that? Or anything even close to it?
          (sneer)

          1. It’s called Google, or Duckduckgo better yet, moron. I don’t bookmark every single one of the THOUSAND of stats or articles I have read.

            https://duckduckgo.com/?q=majority+hispanics+ want+immigration+reduced&t=h_&ia=web

            Take your pick of places that go through the stats. Obviously right wing sites jumped on it, but you don’t see much CNN commentary. That’s not the first poll to ever show a far more mixed view of immigration from Hispanics, AND whites/blacks/etc tend to be even more heavily in favor of less immigration going back MANY years, and in basically all polls.

  43. Is Nick an Affirmative Action program member for editors with learning disabilities? Like for example the ability to Reason.

    Gee if we had no security then border apprehensions be reduced to zero. Problem solved? How much of a dumb fuck can you be to try and use that statistic?

    And I don’t recall a steady procession of caravans until recent.

    1. Gee if we had no security then border apprehensions be reduced to zero. Problem solved? How much of a dumb fuck can you be to try and use that statistic?

      Fucking stupid enough to be a wreckinball.
      With no balls whatsoever
      Anything else?

  44. Study: Most Innocent People Need to Hire Thirty-Five Lawyers at Some Point

    WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)?… thirty-five is the “bare minimum” number of lawyers that an innocent person should have on retainer in the event that he or she becomes the subject of an entirely unjustified criminal investigation.

    “An innocent person who has absolutely nothing to hide should do everything in his or her power to avoid answering questions from investigators,” he said. “Thirty-five lawyers can really help you do that.”

    “Nothing says ‘I’m innocent’ like hiring thirty-five lawyers.”

    “If, for example, one of your lawyers goes to prison, you will still have thirty-four,”

    “Legal bills for thirty-five lawyers can be very expensive, unless you’re a person who doesn’t pay his bills.”

  45. There it is. It took awhile but after the first hint I was just waiting for the confirmation that he-who-shall-not-be-named had shown up with yet another sock puppet.

    1. I Want This Cap!

      ANOTHER ass-whupping on Trump … this one by a GURL!

      Border Agent Debunks Trump’s Case For A Wall To His Face: This Is A Tunnel Built Under Existing Wall

      U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agent Melissa Lucio showed President Trump how enterprising border crossers have dug elaborate tunnels under walled off sections of the U.S.-Mexico border, “Here, this is just a couple of miles from where we stand. This is a tunnel,” she said, pointing to a photograph of the tunnel. “This is the second tunnel recently that we have located. This is an area that we actually have wall.”

      She’s not being paid, and a woman, but she IS protecting the borders
      a) on the job, and
      b) by whupping Trump’s sorry ass.

      SINGALONG: “another one bites … another one bites … another one bites THE DUST!”

      1. And when exactly did anybody EVER say that nobody would try to get around the wall? Never.

        You know what it did do though, force them to spend tons of time and money making a tunnel. Making it harder will reduce the number of people willing to do it, which is the entire point you moron.

        As far as things go, they apparently have some pretty fancy gear they’ve figured out in recent years. Motion sensors for above ground, and even seismic sensors to detect people… wait for it… digging tunnels.

        So even stuff like this CAN be prevented if we want.

        This shit is a massive problem, and has to be dealt with. Decades of letting it run wild have changed the entire political map of the country, swinging it hard to the left, AND costs US taxpayers literally trillions of dollars collectively over this time. I’m part beaner myself, and this shit has to stop.

        1. And when exactly did anybody EVER say that nobody would try to get around the wall? Never.

          (snort) NON SEQUITUR …. as a COWARDLY DIVERSION

          1. Not that I’m going to engage with you Hihn, because that is pointless… But you specifically tried to point out that a wall is futile, because there are ways around it… I merely pointed out nobody every expected it to stop 100% of people, merely cut it back, and make it harder for those really willing to go through the BS. God you’re stupid.

            1. Called out as a liar … changes the subject!

              For any other retards, THIS IS A NON SEQUITUR

              And when exactly did anybody EVER say that nobody would try to get around the wall? Never.

              Just like Trump, SHRIEKS disagreement … with things that have never been said

            2. The El Chapo Trial Shows Trump Is All Wrong About Drugs

              … no matter what the president says, the southern border is not how drugs come to America.

              For eight weeks, a jury in Brooklyn federal court has been listening to witnesses recount how Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman moved tons of cocaine and heroin from Mexico to the United States, almost none of it?if any at all?across an unsecured stretch of border.

              The makings of tens of thousands of overdoses was not backpacked across the desert by undocumented aliens. Much of it was smuggled by licensed drivers in vehicles through official points of entry, hidden in jalapeno pepper cans or frozen seafood or hidden compartments or wherever else might elude the searchers and their canines.

              …. trains and ships and submarines, none of which would be hampered by a wall. And he did not use tunnels just to break out of a Mexican prison. He constructed more than 100 that ran under border barriers…

              “FAKE NEWS?” (lol)

              Anyone with HALF a brain should be able to grasp that highly profitable drugs are NOT carried in the small backpacks of unemployed immigrants, swimming across the Rio Grande. (smirk)

              1. Again, when did I even talk about drugs? I don’t care about drugs, I think they should be legal. You should really seek professional help.

  46. It’s a fence, not a wall. They are effective. The democrats voted for 700 miles of fencing ten years ago. Spare us the suffocating hypocrisy Nick.

    1. 700 is not 2,000, TRUMP says you’re full of shit …. AND ….

      ANOTHER ass-whupping on Trump … this one by a GURL!

      Border Agent Debunks Trump’s Case For A Wall To His Face: This Is A Tunnel Built Under Existing Wall

      U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agent Melissa Lucio showed President Trump how enterprising border crossers have dug elaborate tunnels under walled off sections of the U.S.-Mexico border, “Here, this is just a couple of miles from where we stand. This is a tunnel,” she said, pointing to a photograph of the tunnel. “This is the second tunnel recently that we have located. This is an area that we actually have wall.”

      She’s not being paid, and is a woman, but she IS protecting the borders ….
      a) on the job, and
      b) by whupping Trump’s sorry ass. (almost as badly as Pelosi is)

      Clearly, his border visit was HUMILIATING.

      – LIBERTYTruthTeller

      P.S. You’d even lie to defend him from murder, Trump has gloated about your integrity.

      1. So new Hihn sock then?

        1. CRUSHED ON THE ISSUE … LOSERS attack the winner.
          Every fucking time

    2. +1000

      1. The El Chapo Trial Shows Trump Is All Wrong About Drugs

        … no matter what the president says, the southern border is not how drugs come to America.

        For eight weeks, a jury in Brooklyn federal court has been listening to witnesses recount how Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman moved tons of cocaine and heroin from Mexico to the United States, almost none of it?if any at all?across an unsecured stretch of border.

        The makings of tens of thousands of overdoses was not backpacked across the desert by undocumented aliens. Much of it was smuggled by licensed drivers in vehicles through official points of entry, hidden in jalapeno pepper cans or frozen seafood or hidden compartments or wherever else might elude the searchers and their canines.

        …. trains and ships and submarines, none of which would be hampered by a wall. And he did not use tunnels just to break out of a Mexican prison. He constructed more than 100 that ran under border barriers…

        “FAKE NEWS?” (lol)

        Anyone with HALF a brain should be able to grasp that highly profitable drugs are NOT carried in the small backpacks of unemployed immigrants, swimming across the Rio Grande. (smirk)

        Trumptards!

  47. Poor Nick, he can’t help it – he was born with a permanent Rectal-Cranial Inversion.

    1. Just like Trump! Falling on the floor, kicking your legs and screaming a tantrum can ….. change reality! (smirk)

      5 numbers that prove the Mueller probe is NOT a “big fat hoax.

      That is demonstrably false. And, I’ll prove it — in just five numbers: 192, 36, 7, 4 and 1.

      * 192 is the number of overall criminal counts brought by Mueller’s team to date

      * 36 is the number of people and entities charged in the Mueller probe

      * 7 is the number of people who have pleaded guilty in the investigation

      * 4 is the number of people who have been sentenced to jail for their wrongdoing unearthed by Mueller

      * 1 is the person (Paul Manafort) who was convicted of crimes sniffed out by Mueller’s team

      And reminder: The Mueller probe isn’t over yet. And no one — up to and including Trump — knows what Mueller knows and, more importantly, what he can prove.

    2. +10

      1. I Want This Cap!

        MAGA = Morons Are Governing America
        MAGA = My Attorney Got Arrested!
        MAGA = My Advisors Going Away!
        MAGA = My Associates Getting Allocutions!
        MAGA = Make America (debt) Great Again.!

  48. I would not be surprised If President Trump got up in the morning, called a press conference and announced “My fellow Americans, Fuck you.” and walked out. I would do it and tell everyone one of you dumb motherfuckers to enjoy all your new house guests. The barbarians are at the gate and its too bad your grapes are not going get picked but instead burned.
    Everyone can be a Democrat now. Nobody has even addressed the possibility and probability that Billary did not win the election because no way was Mister Bill going to be First Lady, no way in hell.

    1. Study: Most Innocent People Need to Hire Thirty-Five Lawyers at Some Point

      (The Borowitz Report)?… thirty-five is the “bare minimum” number of lawyers that an innocent person should have on retainer in the event that he or she becomes the subject of an entirely unjustified criminal investigation.

      “An innocent person who has absolutely nothing to hide should do everything in his or her power to avoid answering questions from investigators,” he said. “Thirty-five lawyers can really help you do that.”

      “Nothing says ‘I’m innocent’ like hiring thirty-five lawyers.”

      “If, for example, one of your lawyers goes to prison, you will still have thirty-four,”

      “Legal bills for thirty-five lawyers can be very expensive, unless you’re a person who doesn’t pay

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  50. Hihn represents Reason magazine very well.
    Good job guys

    1. Study: Most Innocent People Need to Hire Thirty-Five Lawyers at Some Point

      (The Borowitz Report)?… thirty-five is the “bare minimum” number of lawyers that an innocent person should have on retainer in the event that he or she becomes the subject of an entirely unjustified criminal investigation.

      “An innocent person who has absolutely nothing to hide should do everything in his or her power to avoid answering questions from investigators,” he said. “Thirty-five lawyers can really help you do that.”

      “Nothing says ‘I’m innocent’ like hiring thirty-five lawyers.”

      “If, for example, one of your lawyers goes to prison, you will still have thirty-four,”

      “Legal bills for thirty-five lawyers can be very expensive, unless you’re a person who doesn’t pay his bills.”

  51. Since California is a sanctuary state, the wall is immoral etc. etc.

    I suggest an experiment.

    Remove the wall separating Tijuana (one of the most crime ridden places on earth) from San Diego.
    Wait to see what happens.

    If my theory is correct, in a very short time, criminals will overrun Southern CA and Democrats will realize walls are useful.

    At this time the President should only negotiate when Democrat leaders publicly acknowledge their idiotic policy and do whatever the President ask for.

    1. (sneer)
      Trump publicly humiliates himself again!

      President Trump Went to a Border Town to Prove They Need a Wall. Residents Say Otherwise.

      McAllen Mayor Jim Darling, … I understand why someone would say ‘Okay, those were all confiscated at the point of entry, so what’s that gotta do with people crossing the river?'”

      Julie Hillrichs, spokeswoman for the Texas Border Coalition, a group of border mayors (including Darling), county judges and border communities focused on issues that impact border quality of life for more than 2.5 million people, tells TIME the Coalition believes the real way to increase security at the border would not be a wall, but increased investment in the legal ports of entry that already exist in their area.

      “The Border Coalition has consistently over the years stated we believe the wall is a wasted investment.”

      Read the whole piece to see how totally Trump screwed up

      MORE PROOF! Trump a bat-shit crazy liar (for any who still NEED proof)
      FBI data: the 100 most dangerous cities in America … NO border city in the top 60, SUCKERS!

      The “crisis” is not at the border. It’s in Trump’s total lack of moral values. And his low-information puppets.

  52. You have to expect a despicable liefest,garbage article like this from a leftard garbage site like reason. We’re being invaded by hordes of third world rodents coming here to receive the “freebies” being promised by the scumbag demonrat,leftard,America hatin’ trash mongrels in exchange for votes.

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