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The World Is Not Ending Because of Donald Trump. In Fact, It's Not Even Ending.

We will make it through the weekend, folks, but our problems will outlast the current president, alas.

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Todd Krainin

By now, you know the end of the world is not simply nigh, but almost fully complete. It's all Donald Trump's fault.

Yesterday, the president announced that he's pulling 2,000 troops out of Syria, a country the U.S. should not have entered in the first place (and did so only after spending most of the 21st century destabilizing the larger Middle East). The president then hinted he was going to do the same in Afghanistan, our country's longest and perhaps least successful war. Defense Secretary James Mattis—universally anointed "the last adult in the room" around Trump—resigned, making public his unmistakable contempt for his former boss. The markets have been tanking all month, a government shutdown over a stupid and sure-to-be-ineffectual wall on the border with Mexico is looming, the weekend's big release is a movie about Aquaman, and it's raining where I live.

The nation is in "a tailspin," pronounces The Washington Post,

At perhaps the most fragile moment of his presidency—and vulnerable to convulsions on the political right—Trump single-handedly propelled the U.S. government into crisis and sent markets tumbling with his gambits this week to salvage signature campaign promises.

The president's decisions and conduct have led to a fracturing of Trump's coalition. Hawks condemned his sudden decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria. Conservatives called him a "gutless president" and questioned whether he would ever build a wall. Political friends began privately questioning whether Trump needed to be reined in.

A few deep breaths are in order. Yes, Trump is what Jeb Bush called him in a Republican primary debate that took place what seems like 100 years ago (actually, December 2015): a "chaos candidate" who would be a "chaos president." He's thin-skinned, too: "One of the things he's most vulnerable to is mockery and mockery by his own supporters," an anti-immigration activist told the Post.

That is nothing worth celebrating in a teenager, much less a president, but the current end-of-worldism is a bit much. Trump is doing pretty much exactly what he promised he would do: Shrink our military footprint around the world, insist on a border wall, act impulsively and childlishly. Critics are right to chastise Trump for not following any sort of coherent process in arriving at or announcing his Syria decision, but it's still the right decision. It's always ugly and disturbing when the United States pulls out of occupied countries (remember Saigon?), but are we supposed to stay in Syria and Afghanistan forever?

In this case, Trump isn't the problem. The problem is American foreign policy, which has been a virtually unmitigated disaster for the entire 21st century (and really, can we talk about Yemen at some point?). It needs a reboot, partly because our Ozymandias-like endeavors (nation-building! region-building!) were so misguided and partly because the world has changed. America can't be everywhere and shouldn't try. That recognition stings, burns, humbles perhaps even the least-interventionist folks among us. In so many places and despite our intentions, Washington has made the world a worse place, a less stable place. Power, especially military power, isn't what it used to be.

If the markets are tanking and a recession is looming, well, of course. What have we done since the Great Recession other than recreate the exact conditions that led to it? We've increased government spending and debt in a way that predictably leads to low growth, a stifling of innovation, and, eventually, a bad labor market (federal spending has been above 20 percent of GDP, a historically high level, since 2008 and shows no signs of reducing). Again, Trump isn't the cause per se of this; he's just the latest in an apostolic succession of presidents who helped to light the path. His trade wars aren't helping, for sure, but that's not the biggest problem facing us right now when it comes to long-term economic growth. Congress, which abdicated its responsibility for foreign policy a few years after the attack on Pearl Harbor, is now doing the same thing with many of its other functions (when's the last time a real budget was enacted?). Parties end, bills come due. Not a good time. The same thing is happening in other parts of the world, especially Europe.

It's easy to focus on Donald Trump, who "single-handedly" propels the government, the media, the world into crisis on an almost hourly basis. But though he is very different in the way he presents himself and is treated by the media, his actions are not so very different from those of recent presidents, all of whom crossed lines that should never have been crossed "when it came to foreign policy, domestic surveillance, governmental overreach, the drug war, deportations, and so much more." What Trump ultimately represents or embodies is the twilight of postwar America, of a consensus forged for a very different world and very different circumstances. He too will pass from the scene, and then many, if not all, of the same problems will remain—until we reach a new consensus for a government that no longer tries to be all things to all people, both here and abroad.

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161 responses to “The World Is Not Ending Because of Donald Trump. In Fact, It's Not Even Ending.

  1. The markets have been tanking all month

    I’ve maxed out my 401K and employee stock plan! Buy low!

    1. For sure, this is the bottom =O

    2. Meh–might have something to do with the anointed leader of the free world hiding in his apartment a few weeks ago. A backlash against taxes and crony caps in France, whodathunk it

    3. We needed a correction anyway.

    4. Good move. Even if it were to fall a little more the risk/reward at this point is very attractive for long term.

  2. If you’re not constantly pooping, then you’re not constantly pooping!

  3. The media and various government flacks are forever lecturing the country about how we have to make “hard choices”. The reaction among those types to Trump’s decision to leave Syria shows that that claim like every other one they make is a lie. Trump just made a hard choice. There are risks that come with leaving Syria. There are also risks that come with staying there. There are no easy answers to the problem. Trump looked at the situation and I think rightfully concluded that whatever the risks of leaving they are less than the risks of staying and whatever we gain from staying isn’t worth the cost. That is making a hard choice. His critics on the other hand live in this fantasy world where staying entails no risk and we can forever fight these wars with no real purpose or end state in mind and in doing so avoid the hard choices the situation presents. Trump is actually making decisions and refusing to live in this fantasy world. And the people who created this fantasy world are losing their shit over it.

    1. He put them in there, he can take them out. Who cares? This is a lot of bed wetting over nothing. Now, when he takes troops out of Turkey, Iraq and Afganistan (which he should and possibly will) that will be something to see. There’s nothing to win over there and Trump, if anyone, should know there’s no point in fighting if there’s nothing to win. Those country’s will either stand or collapse under their own wait. We’ve done all we can at this point.

      1. I think he likely will. Trump listened to the advice of his military people and gave them a chance to do it there way. And now he is seeing that there way doesn’t work and isn’t producing the results they claim it will. I bet he pulls out of a lot of places.

        1. Do you think Trump will reduce the military’s budget?

          1. I doubt it. But, if he can get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan, we can at least use that money to upgrade the military and have something to show for it rather than pissing it away over there. The public doesn’t realize how worn down the military is right now after 18 years of constant war. The equipment is worn out, the people are worn out. It needs a lot of refitting.

            1. So when do we leave Africa?

              1. When do we leave Japan, SK and the Philippines?

                1. Hopefully sooner rather than later. I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make. Though you were advocating our eternal presence in Syria in the Links thread, so I assume you saying these things as if they’re completely outrageous.

                  1. What goes unsaid is while the plan is to move 2,000+ troops out of Syria, we (DoD) are building 10 240-person dorms at Muwaffaq-Salti Air Base in Jordan — the math says the construction will support 2,400 troops. These construction projects are in the current POM build.

                    This is just a case of “Whack-a-mole” — nothing more and nothing less. While the LSM breathlessly pontificates about the U.S. leaving Syria, nothing is said about the U.S. populating the country right next door.

                    WTF?

                    1. That is true. And that is why I think Trump talking about drawing down in Afghanistan combined wth him actually ordering a whithdrawl from Syria is what has these people so panicked. If Trump doesn’t do anything else, then this is a big nothing. But one thing this shows is that Trump is willing to tell the military and foreign policy establishment to pound sand and actually leave a conflict. So there is at least a reasonable possibility this is just the first of a larger set of changes.

                    2. Going against the MIC is a quick way to find yourself getting doubletapped.

                  2. He’s not trying to make a point….he’s a fucking troll.

                2. The US has already drawn down in the Philippines. Clark and Subic were shut down years ago.

    2. One thing the political class does not want to consider is that because they bypassed putting the case for military action in Syria to the voting public, the public’s opinion on this ranges from “get our troops out of Syria” to “we have troops in Syria?!”. They never bothered to build any kind of support for what they were doing, as well as it seems entirely open ended, they cannot explain when or how they policy goals would be considered accomplished.

      In hiding this they shot their own case in foot, whatever its merits may have been.

  4. I’m totally scared you guys.

    1. Russia is going to take over Syria. It is a sign of the Apocolypse.

      1. Anyone who wants to see a weaker and less influential Russia and who is cognizant of the last two decades of US involvement in Middle East and SW Asia should really be cheering Trump’s decision. It won’t so much create a power vacuum, but rather a black hole that will engulf Russia.

        1. Exactly. We have the best military in the world and are coming off more than 15 years of fighting insurgencies and trying to stabilize nations. And we are not going to stabilize Syria. Russia has no chance of accomplishing anything there except going broke and wasting its military.

          1. I suppose it *could* benefit certain Russian oil and gas oligarchs if Russian military actions caused greater regional instability, leading to higher oil prices. Saudi Arabia and other big oil-producing nations might have something to say about that, and I don’t see how that is a net gain for broader Russian interests.

        1. My sentiments exactly….if they fuck up Syria as bad as they have fucked up Russia, Assad will be begging us to save him in no time, lol.

    2. Your mama is not here to take care of you now. It’s just you, me, and Uncle Sam.

    3. [hugs Crusty and comforts him]

    4. I’m literally shaking

  5. our country’s longest and perhaps least successful war.

    Vietnam was still longer, so far.

    1. *War* war or just war? Because the war on poverty and the war on drugs are clear front runners in both categories, IMO.

  6. “Critics are right to chastise Trump for not following any sort of coherent process in arriving at or announcing his Syria decision”

    Not really. If he followed the normal process then we would have never left Syria. Obama’s lofty ideals about ending overseas conflicts “followed the process” which amounted to even more conflicts overseas.

    You need a crazy person in order to end these conflicts, because a sane person realizes how unpopular it is within the foreign policy establishment to reduce our overseas conflicts even by a little.

    Also, there is no legitimate argument against ending an unauthorized and thereby illegal war in Syria.

    1. Also, I’m not convinced that Gillespie wrote this, because there are no squiggly lines around Trump’s head.

    2. What “process” does Nick think should be followed? Trump told his military people that they were not going to stay there forever. They assured him they could do all of these wonderful things if allowed to. Here we are two years into Trump giving them the job and they have done some good things but hardly accomplished what they claimed they could and Trump is pulling the plug. Trump is actually holding the military accountable for not producing results. This is a complete shock to people in Washington. People in Washington live in a world where your failure just gets you more resources and power to try harder not causes you to have to pull the plug on your project.

      1. I think a little part of Gillespie is upset, because now he knows that Walter Block is going to hold this over him forever.

      2. Gillespie: Unilateral declaration of war with a phone and a pen? It’s not very libertarian, but it happens.
        Gillespie: Unilateral ending of a war with a phone and pen? Whoa whoa whoa! There are procedures to be followed! The President can’t just *end* a war…

        I think the real surprise is that anybody though Nick’s anti-war stance was deeper and more well thought than his pro-free speech or pro-immigration stances.

        1. I don’t think that’s a very good characterization of Nick’s position here. He’s been quite clear that it’s the right decision. He’s just still attached to the procedural niceties people are used to. But he clearly acknowledges that The President can just end a war and seems pleased with that.

          1. Apropos of nothing, I wrote a paper in law school about whether a president could veto a declaration of war. I concluded that he could, though that’s never been tested.

            1. Hmm. That is an interesting question.

            2. Being the Commander in Chief, would he need to? Would an order not to act mean anything?

              1. Well, the president has a duty to faithfully execute his functions. If doesn’t do so just for the heck of it, he’s potentially impeachable. That’s a real threat if there’s already been a declaration of war (I, for one, mostly view AUMFs as declarations of war).

                On the other hand, if he can veto, he’s within his rights to not prosecute the war.

    3. Solid points, well done.

  7. He too will pass from the scene, and then many, if not all, of the same problems will remain?until we reach a new consensus for a government that no longer tries to be all things to all people, both here and abroad.

    Which ain’t gonna happen until we change our overall belief that moar gov’t is what is needed?just done the “right way.”

    Which will never happen.

    So, we are perpetually screwed.

    1. Probably 80% of the people are always going to need someone they consider their guardian and protector, and they will always get it somehow.

      My goal is to not have their chosen guardian and protector affect me in any way.

      I think the empowerment of individuals will eventually cause that to happen, though I will probably have ascended into the internet before it happens in the physical world.

  8. The nation is in “a tailspin,” pronounces The Washington Post

    Jesus H Christ on a popsicle stick. Somebody needs to build a wall around DC, with no way out. Then, those self-absorbed idiots can wet their pants all they like over the latest travesty du jour and the rest of the country can get on with their lives.

  9. I’m putting Gillespie down as a “Always Trumper”, instead of a “Never Trumper”.

  10. “Our problems will outlast the current president, alas.”

    Saying this to Democrats may have become more controversial than suggesting that people are the solution to their own problems (rather than government).

    The other day, I heard someone blame Trump for the next mass extinction event. You’d think he was a comet on a collision course with the earth.

    Now I know how prehistoric civilizations must have turned legendary figures into gods. If you believed half the things Trump’s opponents said, you might think he could wipe out millions (refugees), destroy the position of women in society, impoverish us all, and wipe out all species on earth–simply by making a decision.

    Maybe somewhere in the mists of prehistory, people used to talk about Odin Derangement Syndrome. King Odin’s opponents may have blamed him for the pointless deaths of so many warriors, and, after he was gone, the progressives of the day couldn’t walk back their silly hyperbole–so they started sacrificing people to the god of death.

  11. Critics are right to chastise Trump for not following any sort of coherent process in arriving at or announcing his Syria decision, but it’s still the right decision.

    How do they know what process he followed? And if he arrives at the correct answer, why does it matter?

    1. As I recall, Trump has been consistent about this since during his candidacy.

      John McCain and the Never Trumpers in the Republican Party became Never Trumpers because they were neocons and they hated his announced foreign policy goals–like collaborating with Putin on ISIS in Syria, how Iraq was a big mistake, getting out of Syria, etc.

      It’s probably hard for some people to separate the real Trump from the one that’s been portrayed in the media for so long, but just because ignorant journalists have been portraying Trump as neocon warmonger in unison (especially in regards to his support for Saudi Arabia and his stance against Iran), that doesn’t mean it’s true.

      I don’t see where this Syria position is a reversal of any kind on Trump’s part. It’s just that what the White House press corps and their usual menagerie of commentators have been selling as news was horseshit.

  12. I figured there would be more praise of Trump in libertarian circles.

    Criminal justice reform (albeit mild), pulling out of large swaths of the middle east, and attempts to defang the regulatory state are HUGE wins. For any foibles Trump may have, those are minor in comparison.

    The mainstream media can eat a bag of dicks.

    1. The criminal justice reform is mild. But any reform has been unthinkable for decades. Even though it is just a start and hardly solves all of the problem, the fact that it happened at all is a very big deal.

      I think leaving Syria is similar. We didn’t have that many people there and were not really doing much after we whacked most of ISIS. What is important is that we are actually ending a mission and leaving somewhere.

    2. Me too.
      It was something he campaigned upon, and it is something that libertarians traditionally support, get out of foreign wars and involvements.
      Yes, removing ourselves will cause a lot of heartache and suffering, but that is not our nation’s responsibility. We are constantly pumping money and resources/people into areas of the world that are fundamentally defective, corrupt and chronically sick. Our efforts there do not correct the problems, but only act as a continuing stop-gap measure. We literally will have to be there forever.
      At some point, you have to let the people there live with the governments they will tolerate. The incumbent people are always fundamentally responsible for the leaders they allow/choose to control them.

    3. TDS gonna TDS
      After years of hysterical pants shitting over Trump, how can they face the truth that he is the most libertarian President in our lifetime?

  13. Trumpty Dumpty wanted a wall,
    Trumpty Dumpty upset them all;

    1. “A woman, a dog, a walnut tree…”

  14. “in Afghanistan, our country’s longest and perhaps least successful war”

    I’m not sure that’s right. It’s been so long that everyone has forgotten – the reason the war started because we were attacked on 9/11 by the de facto government of Afghanistan. The original purpose of the war was to drive the Taliban and OBL’s boys out of power in the country, which we accomplished in short order with relatively minimal loss of life. So in that sense it might actually have been our shortest and most successful war.

    The problem came when we started the nation-building shit, which almost never works. Afghanistan is essentially ungovernable, which is something we should have recognized and gotten the hell out.

    1. “”which is something we should have recognized and gotten the hell out.”‘

      That’s what Russia did. For some reason some people want to then draw a line from Russia to Trump. So Russia would be “owning” Trump if we followed their example.

      Pretty silly.

    2. Afghanistan really was a war of self-defense.

      I’m not sure the objective was to turn it into an American style democracy.

      If the leadership of Al Qaeda is dead and they haven’t been able to use Afghanistan as a staging ground for terrorist attacks against American civilians, then I’m not sure it hasn’t been a success either.

      I think there’s also a possibility that when antiwar folks try to persuade people that Afghanistan was a failure, they may be shooting themselves in the foot. Leaving a failure behind is what quagmires are made of for a number of reasons–maybe we can’t leave so long as people keep calling it a failure. Maybe the way out is to convince people that it was a success. It’s like a sunk costs fallacy. People don’t want to believe that our heroes died for nothing, and so long as it isn’t over, the great thing they died for is still coming (in people’s minds). It just hasn’t arrived yet.

      Declare victory already and then maybe we can sunset the AUMF.

  15. I am not sure what to think of the Fed raising interest rates. On the one hand, there seems to be little inflation, which is generally the reason the Fed raises rates. On the other hand, hasn’t the consensus for the last 20 years been that the Fed has been causing all kinds of mischief by maintaining artificially low interest rates for short term economic gain? If that is the case, and a lot of people were until this week convinced that it was, then it seems to me that the Fed raising rates is a good thing and a needed correction.

    1. Exactly

      1. It is the same with the stock market going down. The market has been overvalued for a long time. And it boomed under Obama yet the wage growth and employment and overall growth basically sucked for his entire administration. So, rising stock prices didn’t reflect or translate into any improvement in the health of the larger economy. So, I am skeptical stocks tanking are going to mean the good wage and employment growth we have been having is going to end.

    2. Yeah, they’re trying to head off the damage from not buying as many bonds now as they have in the past.

      Also, the question isn’t just whether inflation is relatively low now. It’s also about where inflation was headed. Last I checked just ahead of the last raise, the difference between inflation-adjusted treasuries and their non-inflation adjusted counterparts was showing that the market expects inflation of around 3% next year. The Fed’s target inflation rate is 2% (as I recall). So, although inflation is low by historical standards, it’s still above their target rate.

      Meanwhile, the job market is strong enough that hikes in the interest rate aren’t likely to be too devastating on that count.

      Ultimately, they’re trying to compensate for effectively leaving lots more debt out there in the market and unwinding their own position to get back to normal. Seeing the stock market fall and the housing market cool off is a good thing. Those things heating up were not unrelated to the low rates, and if we’re due for another recession, the time to let whatever air might be in those bubbles out is probably now. Anyway, I think that’s what the Fed was thinking.

    3. I’ve been under the misguided opinion that extremely low interests rates contributes to malinvestments. Too much money sloshing around and investing in fried chicken and lingerie emporiums seems like a good idea. At least it won’t hurt as much when it folds.

      Considering rates have been hovering near zero for decades now, any increase is going to seem like Armageddon. No, it probably isn’t good for growth, but it will mean the next collapse will be a little less painful.

      It is actually Keynesian economics as Keynes intended it.

      1. There is no escaping the business cycle. The more the government tries to escape it, the more painful the reckoning when it occurs. And there are two sides to interest rates. Low interest rates are great for borrowers and great for banks who can get virtually free money and lend it out. But they suck for investors and savers. I don’t see how fucking anyone who saves by forcing interest rates lower than the market would dictate is any kind of a solid economic policy or anything that should be missed.

        1. “There is no escaping the business cycle. The more the government tries to escape it, the more painful the reckoning when it occurs.”

          As it happens, I’m reading “The Incredible Bread Machine”, wherein Grant spends quite a bit of ink showing, historically, that government ‘bandaids’ applied in the hopes of ‘curing’ the business cycle *always* make it worse.

        2. John, of course never one to blame the state of the economy on a president.

          1. The funny thing about your posts Tony is that you honestly have no idea how stupid they make you look.

            1. The sad thing about your posts is everyone knows you’re a ridiculous hypocrite but you’re kept around for the occasional eruptions of impotent rage that are just pure entertainment.

              1. John’s great. Tony is a psychopath Lefty.

    4. It’s a needed correction that’s about 8 years too late. Now everyone’s gotten used to the free money and any increase is gonna hurt.

      It needs to happen, but it’s also going to slow the growth we’ve seen over the last two years.

  16. “By now, you know the end of the world is not simply nigh, but almost fully complete. It’s all Donald Trump’s fault.”

    I’ve noticed this. In fact, it’s kind of hard to not notice it.
    I’m reminded of it every time I open a newspaper, see a news web site, or (heaven forbid) end up in a waiting room with a news-station on the TV.
    In fact, sorta like Climate Change, the world should have ended sometime back.
    Strangely, it hasn’t.

    1. In fact, sorta like Climate Change, the world should have ended sometime back.
      Strangely, it hasn’t.

      Speak for yourself. For some of us, the world ended on Sep. 6th.

      1. Because Martina Navratilova requested asylum [1975]? Because W admitted they were running secret prisons and using torture [2006]? Because McKinley was shot [1901]? Hurricane Irma hit Puerto Rico [2017]?

  17. Another large asteroid could strike the earth, wiping out all of mankind, and the earth itself would hardly notice. Puts all of our real and imagined problems into their proper perspective.

    1. The Earth wouldn’t notice at all.

      It’s a rock.

  18. Another large asteroid could strike the earth, wiping out all of mankind, and the earth itself would hardly notice. Puts all of our real and imagined problems into their proper perspective.

  19. “The markets have been tanking all month”

    BTW, a sure-fire investing tip:
    You can only lose actual money if you sell when the price of your portfolio is lower than it was when you bought.
    Do not do that.
    Also, remember the magic words which saved me from losing one penny in ’08: ‘The market will return to trend’.

    1. The former commenter Fluffy made maybe the best comment I have ever seen on the internet talking about falling prices and Keynesian economics. His point was that there is no such thing as a liquidity trap. Prices will never reach zero. Unemployment will never reach 100%. At some point prices will get low enough that people will start buying again. Wages will get low enough that businesses will start hiring again and the whole business cycle will start over.

  20. Old cut ‘n run Donny. That’s what you idiots would be calling him if he had a (D) after his name. Protector of ISIS. Putin’s butt boy. It’s so incredibly sad because you people don’t have actual allegiance to Russia. It’s just that fucking (R).

    1. And if he had a (D) after his name you’d be calling for him to receive a Nobel Peace Prize. Pointing out the hypocrisy of the other side isn’t very effective when you and your side share the same tendencies.

      1. Who was it who sent troops to Syria, with a phone and a pen? He got a Nobel Prize, but that was well before he did anything.

      2. Oh, haha, I wrote my comment before I knew that Fox & Friends, of all people, was tearing into his stupid orange ass over Syria.

    2. Tony|12.21.18 @ 11:52AM|#
      “Old cut ‘n run Donny.”

      If Obo ever had the sense to end a war instead of starting new ones, scumbag here would be lobbying for another Nobel.

      1. I don’t know if getting the ‘No Blood For Oil!’ crowd to call for keeping troops in Syria is the most hilarious bit of trolling Trump has ever accomplished, but it’s definitely in the top 3.

        1. Does that include James Mattis and Fox & Friends?

          It’s not that the policy is necessarily bad, it’s that he’s doing it because he’s being blackmailed by a foreign dictator.

          1. “It’s not that the policy is necessarily bad, it’s that he’s doing it because he’s being blackmailed by a foreign dictator.”

            Oh, yeah, that’s for sure the reason he’s doing it. I mean, the blackmail has been proven to exist, and there’s no other possible explanation for the decision. The fact that it’s a quagmire with no end in sight can’t be a factor in the decision. No way.

            Geez, listen to yourself. You constantly say that the right has lost its mind (with some justification) then personally demonstrate that the left is every bit as deranged.

            Trump is like a Rorschach Test with only one possible interpretation. Everybody who looks at it loses their senses.

            1. I’ll be perfectly honest. I’m pretty much a pacifist, though I wouldn’t shed a tear if every member of ISIS were turned into corpse remnants. I suspect that unaccountability has led to the DoD making bad decisions. I know for a fact that invading Iraq was a total criminal evil waste of life.

              However, I am not so single-minded that I don’t wonder, from time to time, if the so-called foreign policy establishment might know a little more about its role in the world than I do from my armchair. Because I know another fact: Donald Trump is a moron who doesn’t know what he’s doing. I do not choose to gamble on him, even if the only other choice is the establishment.

              1. Go take another slurp out of Hillary’s colostomy bag.

              2. Tony|12.21.18 @ 2:21PM|#
                “…Because I know another fact: Donald Trump is a moron who doesn’t know what he’s doing.”

                You’re a fucking lefty ignoramus who thinks he’s smarter than a seagull and wrong.

                1. I am smarter than a whole colony of seagulls.

                  Betcha didn’t know they come in colonies, not flocks.

    3. Old cut ‘n run Donny

      Idiot.

      He RAN on this. This is a campaign promise.

    4. Most of us called Obama out for getting involved in Syria in the first place you lying piece of shit.

  21. The problem is not leaving Syria in some general sense. It is leaving Syria so abruptly, leaving the very same regional allies who helped us beat back ISIS in the lurch as Erdogan is sharpening his claws, without any warning to our other allies or any meaningful progress on a diplomatic front. Yes, cut back foreign entanglements, but within a coherent global strategy that doesn’t spook our allies and embolden our enemies.

    And it makes no sense whatsoever to blame federal spending for economic woes. If you want to blame deficits, fine – but don’t forget that this publication celebrated the tax cuts that helped boost them to where they now are. The recent market gyrations are the product of Trump’s chaos, expressed as illegal tariffs, incoherent trade policy, geopolitical instability, and now giddiness over shutting down the federal government. The markets didn’t just discover that the U.S. is heavily indebted. They are looking at Trump’s erratic behavior since the election and are spooked.

    Impeach Trump before it gets worse. Put plain-Jane Pence in and restore some order and regularity to our presidency, before Trump triggers both a war and a depression.

    1. The federal government is collecting more money today than it ever has. So to blame the deficit on “tax cuts” is just absurd. You are assuming that the federal government can forever raise tax rates and have it result in increased revenue. If that were true, socialism would actually work. Sadly, it isn’t.

      Syria has been in chaos for years now. There is not a single indication that our presence there made it less chaotic. And saying we are leaving too abruptly is only a meaningful statement if you have some idea of what not leaving too abrubtly is. Without that, saying we are leaving too abruptuly is just a dishonest way of saying that we shouldn’t leave at all because there is never a good time to leave.

      Your whole post is just vomited conventional Washington thinking. It is the sort of reasonable sounding nonsense that has gotten us where we are today.

    2. SimonP|12.21.18 @ 12:01PM|#
      “The problem is not leaving Syria in some general sense. It is leaving Syria so abruptly, leaving the very same regional allies who helped us beat back ISIS in the lurch as Erdogan is sharpening his claws, without any warning to our other allies or any meaningful progress on a diplomatic front.”

      Go peddle your lefty bullshit elsewhere, idiot.

    3. “”The markets didn’t just discover that the U.S. is heavily indebted. They are looking at Trump’s erratic behavior since the election and are spooked.”‘

      His behavior has been the same since he took office.

  22. Washington Post? Bezos looks like Dr. Evil but…oh wait

    1. Speaking of Dr. Evil… have you seen Southpark? Southpark cracks on a bunch of stuff about Amazon and Bezos.

      1. No. Now its on my list, thanks!

        1. every South Park for the last decade should be on the list

          1. See the school shooting episode? Hilarious!

  23. The comments thread at WaPo are a deranged mess.

    TDS truly has ruined lives.

    1. I try to steer clear of the WaPo and especially the comments section-can’t tell if most of them are trolls, but if not, there are some truly scary people out there

      1. The WaPo comments are the original home of our beloved Rev. Arthur Kirkland. That should tell you everything you need to know about them.

        1. Fine but….they’re retarded.

  24. This just in: Ginsberg has lung cancer [just out of surgery]; the world can now proceed to ending.

    1. She is 85, so not unexpected that she would have some major health issue soon. A few years ago, she had to be taken off a plane because she mixed booze with sleeping pills

      1. If I were on my death bed I would stay alive just to watch the shit show that will ensue if she either dies or has to give up her spot on the court.

        I wonder what Amy Barrett has in her high school year book?

        1. Bezos, Bloomberg and Steyer will rise up and take over the country and the world. Bloomberg’s op/eds are starting to promote China’s state run capitalism, an envy of sorts.

          1. They are a ‘reasonably enlightened’ group of dictators, according to New York Times editorial writer Thomas Friedman.

      2. Because God has a sense of humor, she is going to finally croke in the spring of 2020, the spring before an election just like Scalia. And the Republicans will then happily confirm her replacement causing Demcorats to be even more angry and derranged than they already are. I bet that is what happens.

      3. Was (is) she a smoker? Of course, at her age, something is going to happen, even if it doesn’t kill you. I saw something recently about smoking actually causing cancer due to toxicity and due to ionizing radiation. The latter I somehow never knew.

        I’m no fan of her as a justice, but I don’t wish cancer or death on her, either. People are losing their minds over politics.

        1. They really are. I feel bad for the person Trump nominates to replace her. After what they tried to do to Kavanaugh, God only knows what they will try to do if Ginsburg dies.

          1. The asshole rev will be back peddling his court-packing malarkey.

          2. Trump replacing RBG and Trump winning reelection in 2020 will be the final straw for the Socialist nutjobs to kick off Helter Skelter.

            1. Sounds like a Kurt Schlichter novel. Meanwhile buy em’ cheap and stack em’ deep.

        2. She needed to retire years ago.

          I dont really wish ill will on most people but this lady gots to go.

          Now Trump will be able to replace her with a conservative justice that will do the opposite of RBG- protect the Constitution.

    2. I’m sure there’s already a go-fund-me link to pay for all sorts of ‘heroic measures’.

      1. And fuckheads offering to donate their lungs.

        1. The more Lefties that donate both lungs immediately, the better.

  25. I must say it is amusing to see progtards now trying to defend militarism and mass incarceration simply because Trump has taken steps against them.

    1. It is.

      A Bush hating liberal friend of mine posted that the Syrian withdraw leaves 30,000 ISIS members that want to come here.

      Fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here.

      I wanted to ask what he would do to keep them from getting here. Tighter border security?

  26. >>>Defense Secretary James Mattis?universally anointed “the last adult in the room” around Trump–resigned

    too hard to just report what happened? *universally* is a strong word and T doesn’t truly act like a child … brevity soul wit.

  27. The political situation currently is that:

    – Trump can put out a tweet that can move the stock market up or down several hundred points.

    – Any initiative that fails can be blamed on the Democrats in the house.

    – Trump can temporarily turn the economy around by walking back his tariff talk.

    If this situation maintains, Trump can manipulate pretty much all the factors needed to get himself elected.

    By luck or design, he’s managed to put himself more in power than any previous non-wartime president I know of.

    1. Delusion doesn’t win elections.

      1. “Delusion doesn’t win elections.”

        The hag found this to be true.

      2. I dunno, Tony, how do you account for Obama?

      3. I dare say delusion wins every election.

  28. Excellent article, Nick. Thanks.

  29. But the NY Times and Washington Compost is very angry that Trump is removing troops from the Middle East.

    Now the true vicious nature of the democrat progressive socialist can be viewed.

    1. He didn’t say “Mother may I?” and he didn’t check with them first. He’s a big poopy-head!

    2. They care sooooo much for Syria they want to suffocate them with their love for them.

      They didn’t seem to care about ‘consequences’ when Obama pulled out of Iraq but WaPo retards are lecturing about how bad leaving Syria is. Lunatic, lousy neocon louts.

      You really can’t make this shit up anymore.

      And it’s actually disquieting as it is frightful.

      1. Actually, Obama pulled out of Iraq on the schedule that was set by the Bush administration. But not before he tried to extend the deadline. He was still praised by the Democrat base. Skeptics noted that all he had done was follow a set timetable and thus didn’t deserve any praise for just doing his job.

        1. IIRC, the current use of force agreement expired and Obama wasn’t that interested in negotiating another. So it expired. Without that agreement we could not continue operations

    3. The Compost has always been a fierce defender of US imperialism, which makes sense when you consider who their readers mostly are. The NYT is slightly better on this except for Tom Friedman of course.

  30. Back in late 1972 I was one of the last stream of Americans leaving Vietnam. After that withdrawal was complete, nothing happened for several years, then a lot happened rather quickly according to an efficient plan.

    Today Vietnam is an economic backwater resembling Venezuela or Cuba. Their problem is they won. Their Jane Fonda/Che Guevara paradise arrived wrapped in ribbons and bows! I have a shelf in my mancave with all my war memorabilia but also a bunch of little tanks, jeeps, helicopters, and aircraft made out of scrap hardware in some family workshop in Hanoi. The items are distributed in the US as casino bonus gifts.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if my artsy miniature military is not the major Vietnamese export, after stinky fish sauce. A Viet ex-pat female law enforcement colleague of mine who left as a child went back to visit and was shocked at how really horrible and stubbornly backward everything was. Even the French stamp on the country fades as the architecture crumbles.

    1. My dad was in Vietnam and I was in Iraq. After talking about our experiences we both realized the two conflicts have one thing in common; the United States tried to get people to defend themselves who were not willing to do so. South Vietnam had decades of French and United States assistence and tens of billions of dollars in aid thrown at it. And at the end of all that, they couldn’t fend off a rag tag invasion of a few divisions from the North in April of 1975. That failure is their failure not ours. Same is true for Iraq. The US occupied Iraq for 8 years and spent over a trillion dollars and 10,000 lives trying to help it back on its feet. And after all that, once the US left, the country basically folded when faced with a bunch of apes preaching the Jihad and driving pickups known as ISIS. Again, that is on the Iraqis. The US’s only failure in both cases was the erroneous belief that they could make people into something they were not.

      1. If schools only taught why Americans wanted to become free from the British and how that spirit is the main ingredient in what makes America so great.

      2. Good freaking God man. America doesn’t deserve some blame for the bad outcomes resulting from, you, know invading and occupying the country? It’s not like they were asking.

        You remain a piece of fucking work man.

        1. Tony you are a fucking moron. You don’t even qualify as being stupid. You are something beneath that. You never understand a single point. Everything goes right over your head and becomes a reason to emmote some absurd partisan hate point. If you were not such a genuinely awful person, I would feel sorry for you. As it is, I just wish you would go away and allow those who are able to have an intelligent conversation once in a while.

          1. You just said that the only blame the US deserves for the Iraq occupation is that we cared too much.

            1. Tony you are a fucking moron

            2. It’s not what he’s saying.

              Nuance isn’t a strong suit of the progressive left despite how many times they say they are.

              1. “The US’s only failure in both cases was the erroneous belief that they could make people into something they were not.”

                Fine, that’s what he’s saying. There’s a fine line between nuance and being a nitpicking bastard, I guess.

      3. Vietnamization. They couldn’t have cared less.

      4. Ultimately, the US should not have engaged in Vietnam or Iraq. That is not the fault of the US military but the fault of US politicians and the military / industrial complex, aptly named. And, I agree with you, neither the South Vietnamese nor the Iraqi’s wanted to be free nor democratic in a way Americans understand those concepts. It’s a tragedy so many young Americans died in vain during both conflicts.

      5. Ultimately, the US should not have engaged in Vietnam or Iraq. That is not the fault of the US military but the fault of US politicians and the military / industrial complex, aptly named. And, I agree with you, neither the South Vietnamese nor the Iraqi’s wanted to be free nor democratic in a way Americans understand those concepts. It’s a tragedy so many young Americans died in vain during both conflicts.

  31. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 85, undergoes lung procedure to remove cancerous growth

    This lady still wont retire? What is with these bureaucrats and thinking the USA “needs” them?

    I wonder who Trump will pick to replace RBG on the SCOTUS?

    1. While I do not personally wish her ill, I can hardly wait for the shit show that will ensue.

      Whoever he picks they had better vet those high school, and maybe junior high, year books.

      1. They’ll drag back Blasey Ford who’s memory right now is coming into focus. J’accuse _____________! (fill in the blank later)

  32. It’s kinda interesting how the Left loves Mad-dog Mattis all of a sudden.

    1. Exactly.

  33. This article could be called “50 Shades of Trump: A Review”

    All these neoliberals want is to escape their meaningless lives and settle down to a nice cup of outrage. The pain and pleasure sensors in the brain are right next to eachother, and nothing makes that more clear when someone they hate does something they like. Their programming is malfunctioning, and all they can do now is get off on fear. At this point I wouldnt be surprised if feminists were fingerblasting eachother to those WaPo articles.

  34. Excellent article Nick.

  35. Observation: if we can’t make people into “something they are not” when they are in Syria, or Afghanistan, or Guatemala, or some other fine hell hole, how do they magically become advanced First World citizenship material when they arrive here as welcomed refugees or welcome themselves by walking across an open border?

    To me, the only difference seems to be the way the legacy media treats them– playing up their chronic problems and hiding their not-so positive behaviors and/or stonewalling all that and just running glowing promotional stories on how wonderful they all are and hopefully they will soon be voting for the mainstream media’s favorite political party (if they are already, that story will be hidden as well!)

    1. “Observation: if we can’t make people into “something they are not” when they are in Syria, or Afghanistan, or Guatemala, or some other fine hell hole, how do they magically become advanced First World citizenship material when they arrive here as welcomed refugees or welcome themselves by walking across an open border?”

      Observation:
      Painting the individual with the same brush as the average of an ethnic group doesn’t show a lot of intelligence.

  36. Almost a good article. But the Trump Derangment Syndrome is preventing you from performing an effective analysis of Trump, his actions, or the reaction to them. Much like the morons with room temperature IQ who rant and whine about his Tweets, and as a result are completely blind to what they accomplish.

  37. Trump has been doing far more for this country for the better, but the Left needs to keep whining and complaining! We put up with your candidate for 8 years, why can’t you, lefties, now be adults and lose gracefully to ours?
    https://aladyofreason.wordpress.com/

  38. Interesting because about the only thing I though I would have agreed with Obama was less foreign intervention but then after 8 years we spent more on foreign wars than in 8 years of Bush. He expanded the war in Afghanistan, started one in Libya, backed Syria and Yemen wars.
    Trump is a mixed bag but good for him. Don’t let the establishment back him off of Afghanistan withdrawal this time. Nothing to be won there. Then bring home the 40,000 we have in Germany. The cold war ended decades ago and the Germans and Europeans can defend themselves.

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