A Midterm Vote Against Trump and Against Collectivism: Reason Roundup
Plus: Russian bots still stirring election fears and social media growth in U.S. is flat.

Do those opposed to Trump have a duty to vote Democrat? That's a midterm election argument percolating in some surprising spaces.
"I do not much like the Democratic Party," writes Conor Friedersdorf, a longtime libertarian-leaning conservative, at The Atlantic. "But I desperately want Republicans to conclude that the GOP harms rather than helps its prospects when it vilifies minorities, stokes the authoritarian impulses of its most frightened voters, and willfully divides Americans. Decisively defeating GOP candidates in the midterms is the surest way to send that message—while a Republican victory will encourage future campaign ads that even more closely resemble the work of D.W. Griffith."
In the weeks leading up to the election, President Donald Trump has indulged in increasingly deranged and divisive rhetoric. He's also been hitting heavily on the idea that this election is a referendum on his brand of Republicanism—a brand that includes belligerent taunting of enemies domestic and abroad, no respect for free markets and trade, and baseless fearmongering about refugees.
"If the GOP succeeds … at the ballot box, politicians all over the country will conclude that they can advance their careers by vilifying minority groups, frightening voters predisposed to xenophobia, and dividing Americans," writes Friedersdorf, urging principled anti-Trump conservatives, independents, and libertarians to suck it up and vote Democrat this year.
But Democrats have done nothing to deserve the votes of disaffected conservatives, complains David French at National Review.
"Democrats claim that now is the time to reject the politics of personal destruction," he writes. "They look at a president who calls people names, who spins out wild conspiracy theories (Ted Cruz's father participated in the Kennedy assassination? Really?), and they demand better. I agree." And yet… Democrats engage in some of the same political spin, blind-eyeing corruption, and other antics they complain about in their GOP counterparts. And while they push the idea that our very democracy is at stake, they won't modify positions on abortion, immigration, etc. to win over anti-Trump Republicans, French suggests.
There, his argument falls short for me. There's not much that many Democrats could do—short of completely upending their core positions—to make themselves attractive to Republicans like French.
French is more persuasive pointing out that we have options other than simply choosing between Republicans and Democrats. Voters can choose libertarians or other third party candidates. They could choose to write-in candidates. They could stay home.
But "the rejection of one candidate" should not "lead automatically to a vote for his opponent," argues French.
Each candidate has to earn your vote, and if no one has, it is entirely acceptable to write in a name or go on strike — to stay home until the political parties can produce a candidate worth your support.
French adds that he'll vote for anyone, Republican or Democrat, who shares his political values. But that means evaluating "the individual whose name is on the ballot, not the president who isn't yet up for reelection."
FREE MINDS
Memory of Russian bots looms large over midterms. Facebook announced yesterday that 85 Instagram accounts and 30 Facebook accounts were deleted after being "linked to foreign entities" in what's still a "very early-stage investigation."
"On Sunday evening, US law enforcement contacted us about online activity that they recently discovered," said Nathaniel Gleicher, head of cybersecurity at Facebook, in a Monday statement. "Almost all the Facebook Pages associated with these accounts appear to be in the French or Russian languages, while the Instagram accounts seem to have mostly been in English," with some "focused on celebrities, others political debate." It's as yet unclear whether the "accounts are linked to the Russia-based Internet Research Agency or other foreign entities," Gleicher added.
A statement from Department of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen, Attorney General Jeff Sessions, FBI Director Christopher Wray, and National Intelligence Director Dan Coats on Sunday warned that "Americans should be aware that foreign actors—and Russia in particular—continue to try to influence public sentiment and voter perceptions through actions intended to sow discord."
"The United States will not tolerate foreign interference in our elections from Russia, China, Iran, or other nations," continued the statement.
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Social media growth in the U.S is over. In fact, some networks are seeing shrinkage among American audiences. And while growth continues globally, it's not quite the same. From ReCode:
Facebook's daily user base has been the same for the past three quarters. Twitter and Snapchat have both lost users in the U.S. or North America, respectively, in back-to-back quarters.
American users are incredibly valuable to these tech giants. Social media users in the U.S. generally have more disposable income than those in emerging markets, which makes them more attractive to more advertisers. As a result, these users generate more advertising revenue for social media companies, on average, than users in other parts of the world. By a wide margin.
[…] In short, the fact that these user bases are no longer growing means these companies need to figure out other ways to grow their advertising businesses.
QUICK HITS
Most of the Twitter personalities, corporate brands, and others chanting "Go. Vote. It's Sooooo Important" want everyone to vote Democrat, so why not just say that instead of doing this phony apolitical civic duty routine
— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) November 6, 2018
- An overview of criminal justice issues on state ballots this year.
- Thirty-six states will vote for governors today, and Democrats are poised for some big wins.
Excellent Radiolab on some of the benefits of Single Transferrable Vote electoral systems. Also, alas, touches on a huge barrier to reform: By definition, power is held by those who do well under our existing rules for voting & have no interest in change. https://t.co/vP8W87HXKB
— Julian Sanchez (@normative) November 6, 2018
- Another "human traffickng sting" where no human trafficking arrests were made and the majority of those arrested were sex workers. Sheriff Rand Henderson said he is "so proud" of the operation. "This was a great opportunity."
- "Liberal Democrats were more likely than other ideological and partisan groups" to be politically active on social media.
- The social platform Gab is back online.
- A LiveScience writer "took nine different commercial DNA tests and got six different results."
On Friday, the Elkhart, Indiana, Police Department released a 30-second clip of two officers beating a man in custody. Now we have the full 30 minutes, ending with the man leaving the police station on a stretcher. https://t.co/3nwWDhUP3Mpic.twitter.com/VlxyuU2XWw
— ProPublica (@ProPublica) November 6, 2018
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Do those opposed to Trump have a duty to vote Democrat?
If you're voting for for women's health and open borders for everyone who isn't Russian, YOU MUST GET OUT AND VOTE RIGHT NOW LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT. Otherwise, the election is next week sometime.
Hello.
"I do not much like the Democratic Party," writes Conor Friedersdorf, a longtime libertarian-leaning conservative, at The Atlantic. "But I desperately want Republicans to conclude that the GOP harms rather than helps its prospects when it vilifies minorities, stokes the authoritarian impulses of its most frightened voters, and willfully divides Americans. Decisively defeating GOP candidates in the midterms is the surest way to send that message?while a Republican victory will encourage future campaign ads that even more closely resemble the work of D.W. Griffith."
Ah.
Vote GOP in other words.
God dammit this TDS.
And libertarians wonder why Republicans give them the back of their hand. With friends like these, who needs enemies?
Its always a red flag that people work at these lefty media outlets and then say that they are Libertarian-leaning or conservative-leaning.
Its all bullshit. These Lefty propaganda outlets dont hire non-Lefties. Every Lefty knows what the deal is. They need a token "conservative" to seem unbiased.
If a Lefty propaganda outlet did have a non-Lefty writing for them, everyone would know who that person was and he and the company execs would be blasted daily to get rid of that person.
Why would Lefties give up the power to control propaganda?
Propaganda has worked so well for Lefties. Now that media bias is seen for what it is, Trump gets elected and many Americans just ignore Lefty media.
The Lefty propagandists hate it.
I have heard on NPR and CSPAN more "conservative libertarians" planning to vote for Ds than there are Elvis impersonators in Vegas.
D.W. Griffith? Like Intolerance or Of Mice and Men? D.W. Griffith was one of the greatest directors in cinematic history; perhaps Friedersdorf is suggesting that Republicans have closed the cultural gap with Democrats and are now producing ads of first-rate artistry with their newfound allies in the creative class.
Decisively defeating GOP candidates in the midterms is the surest way to send that message
Because electing Democrats is the surest way to send the GOP the message that we want them to be less like Democrats. They bent over backward to elect "bi-partisan" RINO John McCain and when that didn't work they bent over forward to elect Mitt Romney, a RINO so liberal he could get elected in Massachusetts and the *one* damn Republican in the whole country who couldn't possibly criticize Obamacare, and when that didn't work they let Trump - a Democrat who actually wrote checks to his good friend Hillary - walk off with the nomination. And that one worked! I'm pretty sure the GOP doesn't need to be told that running to the left is a winning strategy.
There are legitimate reasons from both libertarian and conservative positions to criticize and oppose Trump.
It isn't all TDS.
There are no legitimate libertarian or republican positions that makes supporting those who WILL criminalize 'long time, no see' a valid course of action.
A temper tantrum? Sure.
An example of petulant sullenness? Absolutely.
But to vote in such a way that you know you're handing power to an ideological opponent that is vengeful is just insane.
It is the very picture of TDS
True dat
Not everyone who is critical of or opposes Trump wants to "criminalize 'long time, no see' ".
In fact, there are even people with TDS who don't want to "criminalize 'long time, no see' ".
The constituency that wants to "criminalize 'long time, no see' " is essentially no bigger than the one that wants to exterminate all the Jews or to make slavery legal again.
I should have said:
"The constituency, if it even exists , rather than being a single lone snowflake*, that wants to "criminalize 'long time, no see' "....."
*who is already being ridiculed extensively.
I wonder if we've seen a rise in Democrats sharing KMW's principled non-voter article(s) with Republicans recently.
So you're saying only Democrats read KMW anymore because Reason has gone full cuck?
VOTE RIGHT NOW LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT
Early and often?
Facebook announced yesterday that 85 Instagram accounts and 30 Facebook accounts were deleted after being "linked to foreign entities" in what's still a "very early-stage investigation."
THEY PROBABLY ALREADY INFLUENCED DOZENS OF VOTES!
.@svdate went to a Trump rally and asked his supporters if they care whether he lies all the time. One woman's response: "I don't care if he sprouts a third dick up there."
I went to Candidate Trump's last rally in my state, along with a couple 20-something California Dems. The Dems were stunned that non-white Trump Supporters failed to share their outrage at The Donald's horribleness.
We all see what we want.
Wait a minute. He has 2 dicks?
Yup. One as VP, one as Attorney General.
I thought this was known.
2 scoops, 2 genders, 2 terms, 2 dicks
Trumps lies have not costed me money or freedom.
Russian bots still stirring election fears and social media growth in U.S. is flat.
Lefty bots like Buttplugger, Tony, Kirkland are no problem though.
"Liberal Democrats were more likely than other ideological and partisan groups" to be politically active on social media.
Anyone with even a tangential exposure to social media already knows this.
Democrats do love good programming in a virtual reality.
Social media is infested, inside and out.
National Review Prognosticator: Democrats Will Win House Due to "Democrat-RINO Alliance"
It's always been a con. As I mentioned, they are liberal, urban, socially-progressive, pro-gay-marriage, pretty much pro-choice (granted, so am I on that, but I wouldn't claim that I should get to overrule 85% of the party due to my individual wishes), open borders RINOs who control a party whose largest block of voters is genuine conservatives, so they have been lying and lying and lying for years about their true political preferences.
This is why they're always selling us out with Failure Theater or, as Mark Levin calls it, "Play-Fight and Then Surrender." They have to pretend they're fighting for the conservative agenda items they're in fact adamantly, viscerally opposed to, and then cutting deals with Democrats to make sure the liberal position prevails but in a way that appears they did their Utmost to Resist.
Well, now these liars and cross-dressers have very little mask left on their faces. They are liberals. They never opposed Trump because they feared he'd be too liberal; they opposed Trump because he was not beholden to the liberal corporate donor structure and therefore might turn out to be too conservative.
"pro-gay-marriage"
Yeah, because nothing says "conservative" and "liberty" and "limited government" like having the government tell two adults who they can and can't marry.
They do that now.
From a quick glance this looks brilliant. One issue: It's interesting to note that Bob Dole has been a staunch Trump supporter from day one, for most of his campaign basically his most prominent--actually, basically his only--source of cred within the establishment. You'd think, given how unexpected this would be to most people, that there would have been all kinds of crazy attention paid to it, but somehow nobody seems to have noticed or remember it. Only thing more eyebrow-raising would be if it turns out Dole took over the Prime Trump Booster role from Howard Baker.
A LiveScience writer "took nine different commercial DNA tests and got six different results."
Freak.
Yes, but all six results had more Native American DNA than Lizzy Warren.
Its gonna be a Democrat bloodbath today.
All the Vote Abrams signs were placed right next to the Kemp signs and it looks like someone placed the Abrams signs and ran away fast. They tend to be all crooked.
My prediction is a 15-20 seat Dem majority in the House, the Reps gain a few seats in the Senate, and both sides claim victory.
I'd much prefer to see crying on at least one of the cable news channels.
115th Congress:
193 Democrats
235 Republicans
Which means that Democrats need 22 seats to have a majority.
You're saying that Democrats will get those 22 seats PLUS 15-20 more seats?
This is 2016 election all over again for bad predictions.
The average midterm change is something on the order of 24 seats going to the opposition party. Ken has been posting those numbers for a while now. Given how divided the country is, I expect Trump's midterm to be worse than that for the Republicans.
Yes I think the Dems will be +30 to +40.
Also, I don't have a horse in the race. I personally would rather see gridlock. Whether that is due to Dem control or a razor-thin Rep majority in the house, gridlock is likely the result. There's about a 99% likelihood of one of those scenarios.
I predict both house and senate will go to the dems, with the house possibly +60 or +70, like what we saw with the Tea Party in 2010 for the GOP. They will then immediately begin impeachment proceedings. The dems will also pick up governorships that were assumed to be walks in the park for the GOP, like MD and Mass.
I know this isn't what people here want to hear (except OBL, Tony, and the Rev), but from what I have been seeing, that's where it is heading.
What have you been seeing?
Lots of angry feminazis
Awww--lookit him in his bubble!
He's so cute!
And we can all be happy that there's a limited supply of oxygen in there with him (it's probably why he sounds more and more deranged)
The country is no more divided than other elections in the last 20 years.
The conservatives just have Trump to rally behind who is fighting for them.
This may rally Lefties to vote Democrat but the country voting power base shifted right in 2016.
It has again shifted right.
The Dems may well take the house but I doubt in a landslide. They will not take the senate, and that's arguably more important.
So you're going Ds +50?
That's a lot of koolaid
Check your math. I'll admit it's confusing, because flipping a seat double-counts (a loss and a gain).
A 15 seat majority is D +30. A 21 seat majority is D +33.
By the way, 538 has a good tool to help with the math. They also predict the most likely outcome is D +39, so my prediction is conservative compared to that.
I hope you and NoVaNick are wrong!
Why the fuck is everyone else getting so glum all of a sudden? Now I'm really freaking out!
Hope I am too, but you have a lot of progs who have been astroturfing in exurban/rural swing districts like they are on some kind of crusade, where there are bored soccer mom types looking for anything to add meaning to their lives. The weather is pretty bad today too, so probably only the most passionate will show up and older folks will stay home, which does not bode well for the GOP
See I told you all about the fucking soccer moms! No one believed me!
All the soccer moms voted against Trump, remember?
Pay attention to the Democrats freaking out. They know that they have lost seats this election.
Don't drink the red (or blue) Kool-Aid! The Dems most certainly will pick up seats this election, as the opposite party tends to do in midterms. Whether or not it is a blow-out remains to be seen, but think a dem blowout is more likely than the GOP picking up seats.
Sheriff Rand Henderson said he is "so proud" of the operation. "This was a great opportunity."
...to network.
Decisively defeating GOP candidates in the midterms is the surest way to send that message...
WRONG. The message will be they didn't go far enough.
"I do not much like the Democratic Party," writes Conor Friedersdorf, a longtime libertarian-leaning conservative, at The Atlantic. "But I desperately want Republicans to conclude that the GOP harms rather than helps its prospects when it vilifies minorities, stokes the authoritarian impulses of its most frightened voters, and willfully divides Americans. Decisively defeating GOP candidates in the midterms is the surest way to send that message?while a Republican victory will encourage future campaign ads that even more closely resemble the work of D.W. Griffith."
I agree a lot with this. I don't want the Democrats to win, but I definitely do want the Republicans punished for what they have become. Fortunately, unlike Friedersdorf, I can recognize that any vote against Republicans is a punishment of them and it doesn't have to go to Democrats.
Typical libertarian. When the going gets tough, they reliably hew to the left.
How do you mean? Did you read what he said? He said specifically ". I don't want the Democrats to win, " and "I can recognize that any vote against Republicans is a punishment of them and it doesn't have to go to Democrats."
People see what they want to see...
He endorsed Hillary in 2016 because NEVERTRUMP
Like two progressives in a pod
There, his argument falls short for me. There's not much that many Democrats could do?short of completely upending their core positions?to make themselves attractive to Republicans like French.
I wonder about this point. It seems meaningless. His whole point is Democrats are doing nothing to actually persuade people, except saying they are not Trump. French then points out one can go third party, or not vote, or whatever, to deny the two party system. To deny this either/or scenario. She agrees with everything else, but calls out that part to disagree with, even though it's consistent with every other part of the argument.
That, along with using "complains" to describe the action of the article just makes it feel to be me that ENB can't bring herself to agree with David French, even though the argument is consistent with most of the stuff ENB regularly advocates for.
Thoughts?
I believe that it's more than meaningless. The use of the words " completely upending" are quite peculiar, unless one takes the idea that things like moderation for the sake of persuasion and compromise with policymakers on the other side are just too much to ask for.
I don't agree with the concept above that Trump's behavior is "Trump's brand of Republicanism". Trump is an insufferable prick. He has always been one - he was an insufferable prick from the time he became known to the public in the late '70s/early '80s. Republicanism has nothing to do with it.
And it's not like he's unique in that.
Know who was an epic dick? Obama.
Hillary is an even bigger one.
Obama was super cocky, but he's not obnoxious like Trump is.
Hillary (and Bill) are just hopelessly dishonest and corrupt.
Obama was exceedingly douchey
Smarmy, self righteous and incompetent is how I would describe him. But douchey works as well.
Obama was super cocky, but he's not obnoxious like Trump is.
Are you kidding? Obama was and is every bit the deliberately divisive and polarizing asshole that Trump is. Are you going to make me post the entire litany of quotes to prove it?
I didn't say Obama was likable. He is arrogant way beyond his capabilities and experience. And he said some really stupid shit.
But I think he's smarter than Trump. He's certainly smoother, which isn't a compliment. And he doesn't suffer from verbal diarrhea like Trump does.
Name something intelligent Obama ever said or did.
I'll wait
We all know its nothing from Obama but good to give the opportunity.
Comparing IQ, SAT scores and academic achievement I'm pretty sure that you would find that Obama and Trump are pretty much on the same level.
Each knows how to talk to his target audience and that might measure a quality known as "smartness". It does not provide us with anything that would tell us which one is actually "smarter."
Trump is confrontational, Obama is passive-aggressive with a bit more polite language.
Obama is obnoxious, cliched and gauche.
But so dreamy.
Nightmares are also dreams.
While Trump himself is the very definition of "gauche".
Oh, wait, he's from Queens which is widely accepted as the very definition of "gauche". 🙂
You can take the kid out of Queens, you just can't take the Queens out of the kid.
Trump is Hawkeye. Obama is Frank Burns.
Hawkeye evolved into a douche
Trump is more Trapper John, who left the show before it amped up the melodrama and started taking itself too seriously.
There's a lot of push to declare him particularly Republican. But his views have been approximately around here as long as I've been aware of him. Even when he was a Democrat.
Which is not to say that Democrats are particularly responsible for Trump. If there is one thing that defines Trump it is a lack of any particular ideology or philosophy (at least political ideology or philosophy) grounding much of what he does. He is a maverick in the system. And you can analyze bottom-up why his attitude led to a win in the Presidency, people did ultimately vote for him, but it feels like journalists are so stuck in their mindset of national politics that the analysis frequently becomes top down.
The Lefty media in the USA are propagandists, so of course their "analysis" of Trump and any non-Lefty is Top Down. By design.
Propagandists tell you what the news is and how you are supposed to think and react.
"Propagandists tell you what the news is and how you are supposed to think and react."
You don't have to be a lefty to notice that Trump is a total asshole. I noticed it when I was in college.
And yet people who actually know him like him a lot.
Notice that no old friends or ex-wives talked shit about him? Some of that could have been NDAs but that cannot explain it all.
Trump trolls people because it makes him money and he fucking hates Lefty douche bags.
People who actually knew Ted Bundy "liked him a lot." 🙂
Not exactly a recommendation.
People who actually knew FDR "liked him a lot."
People who actually knew LBJ "liked him a lot."
People who actually knew GWB "liked him a lot."
People who actually know Bill Clinton "like him a lot."
People who know Barack Obama "like him a lot."
I don't care who's besties with anyone, I care about policy and projection of authority and power.
Great! Trump has done great to rollback government, cut taxes, get decent judge appointed
AND people who know him "liked him a lot".
"but it feels like journalists are so stuck in their mindset of national politics that the analysis frequently becomes top down."
Yeah, people are forgetting that before he steamrolled Hillary with his schtick he steamrolled an entire field of Republicans using the same methods. The Republicans haven't forgotten it - several of them still have the treadmarks on their asses. It's really no wonder that they don't stand up to the guy, whether they disagree with him or not. But the national media is too hung up in the "two team" mindset to understand this, plus the majority of them are sympathetic to the Dems anyway so they're part of the tantrum that the left has been throwing for two years and counting.
The last time the GOP got punished for what they had become, the immediate result was Obamacare. What other corporatist mess o'pottage are you willing to live with to send that message?
By definition, power is held by those who do well under our existing rules for voting & have no interest in change.
careful you dont run afoul of campaign finance reform there
The social platform Gab is back online.
Finally, the go-to site for domestic right wing terrorists is back.
Some people's speech is more equal than others!
Antifa uses Gab? Who knew!
The dark cloud of fascism is always descending upon Republicans but it always turns out to be composed of progressives and Democrats.
The 9 Minutes that almost changed America: Congressional Baseball Shooting
...Americans should be aware that foreign actors -- and Russia in particular -- continue to try to influence public sentiment and voter perceptions through actions intended to sow discord.
That's what domestic journalism is for!
Apex fallacy:
The hidden classism of modern feminism
Yet what I've noticed recently, and what I actually meant when teasing my friend about next year's plumber and truck-driver costumes, is that within the feminist grievance narrative, there is no whining about women being "excluded" from working-class male-dominated professions. There is more than plenty of talk about the dearth of women in science, in engineering, in upper management positions, and as CEOs. But there is no one asking: where are all the female garbage-collectors, the female elevator technicians, the female landscape laborers, the female oil rig workers?
All of this reveals that feminist clamoring for "equal representation" is not about equality at all. It is about power and prestige.
What about female prison population? We demand equality!
I saw the same thing when I was in the Navy. Feminists wanted to be fighter pilots, COs of aircraft carriers, the CNO, etc. They didn't want to be Bosun's Mates.
I served with (and trained) some EXCELLENT female Bosun's Mates.
I know that some of them are excellent. But I never hear a feminist Womyn's Studies professor complain that women are underrepresented in that rate.
When Democrats lose this election too, who will tech execs blame since they have been removing non-Lefty political views for months?
In the extremely unlikely event Democrats don't win Congress, it will be because of a combination of gerrymandering, Russian hacking, and voter suppression.
But I'm confident they'll do very well today.
#BlueTsunami
In the weeks leading up to the election, President Donald Trump has indulged in increasingly deranged and divisive rhetoric
Hey, nothing wrong with a Trump campaign rally.
Most of the Twitter personalities, corporate brands, and others chanting "Go. Vote. It's Sooooo Important" want everyone to vote Democrat, so why not just say that instead of doing this phony apolitical civic duty routine
Democracy is often held up as an inherently good thing so I do think that part of it is not wanting to undercut this fundamental idea. See also: blaming facebook for 2016
Louis Farrakhan Leads 'Death to America' Slogan in Iran (+Video)
TEHRAN (Tasnim) - Louis Farrakhan, the leader of Nation of Islam, chanted "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" slogans during a recent visit to Tehran on the 39th anniversary of the 1979 US embassy takeover in the Iranian capital.
Obama's butt buddy.
Should have revoked his passport.
The Photo That Never Saw The Light of Day: Obama With [racist and anti-semite Louis] Farrakhan in 2005
Facebook's daily user base has been the same for the past three quarters. Twitter and Snapchat have both lost users in the U.S. or North America, respectively, in back-to-back quarters.
who could have predicted that industries in their infancy wouldn't actually become institutions entrenched enough to become part of a conversation about nationalizing them?
Midterm elections and your vote: Remember how Democrats literally tried to destroy Kavanaugh
Remember when you go to the polls Tuesday that in the wake of Kavanaugh's confirmation vote, Ariel Dumas, writer for "The Late Show with Stephen Colbert" tweeted, "Whatever happens, I'm just glad we ruined Brett Kavanaugh's life."
She gave us a very telling page out of the liberal playbook. If they couldn't defeat Kavanaugh with everything they've got then they'd at least celebrate destroying his life. This perverse way of thinking is nothing short of pure evil.
Nothing would be more beautiful than watching the Democrats get decimated.
They're far worse than the GOP.
+1000
Ezra Klein explains what's at stake in the unlikely event Democrats fail to take the House:
I don't think people are ready for the crisis that will follow if Democrats win the House popular vote but not the majority. After Kavanaugh, Trump, Garland, Citizens United, Bush v. Gore, etc, the party is on the edge of losing faith in the system (and reasonably so).
Whenever Democrats lose, it's because the system itself is flawed. For example, Hillary Clinton was the most qualified candidate ever, and she beat Drumpf by 3 million votes. But the absurd "Electoral College" declared Putin's Puppet the winner. So we are currently living under an illegitimate presidency. The House of Representatives will likewise be illegitimate if Democrats don't control it next year.
#HousePopularVote
Kavanaugh. Even are the lies they're gonna push it, eh?
We should run the USA like the UK. The UK had a straight up popular vote, every vote counting the same, on Brexit, Brexit won, and so the left is accepting that defeat and making sure the Will of the People is being implemented instead of fighting to keep power in the hands of a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.
House popular vote?
If more people nationwide cast votes for Democratic Congresspeople than for Republican Congresspeople, but the Republicans still have a majority in the House, it will mean Democrats won the House popular vote. It's an extremely useful concept that illustrates how defective the House is due to gerrymandering and other issues. (Probably not as defective as the Senate, which gives equal representation to California and Wyoming, but still.)
I was afraid that's what it meant. That's taking the collectivist outlook to a whole other, wonderful level.
I assume this is the first year it's being discussed.
I blame it on the fact that Millennials didn't grow up with School House Rock.
Damny my Gen-X privilege!
Best effort to date. A++
WTF is Klein talking about?
Half the House is up for election every two years--do I have that right?
Klein wants the entire House to go up for election every four years?!
Is that what he's saying?
"Half the House is up for election every two years--do I have that right?....Is that what he's saying?"
No, the entire House is up for election every two years. Every six in the Senate, so they're on staggered terms.
Klein is just doing the usual whine from the left that the population centers - particularly New York and Los Angeles - can't dictate policy to the rest of the country.
Maybe we're talking past each other, but my understanding is that one-third of the Senate is up for election every two years--they serve six-year terms.
My understanding is that one-half of the House is up for election every two years--and they serve four-year terms.
Two-year terms for representatives, so the entire House is up every two years.
We're talking past each other on the Senate for sure - I was saying the same thing you said but you phrased it more clearly.
The term for a member of the House of Representatives is 2 years, so theoretically the House rolls over every other year - although since most of them are re-elected there isn't much rollover. Every seat in the House is up for election today, and will be again in 2020.
My understanding is that one-half of the House is up for election every two years--and they serve four-year terms.
Two year terms Ken. Where did you get that they served four years?
Article I, Section 3:
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, chosen by the legislature thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote.
Immediately after they shall be assembled in consequence of the first election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three classes. The seats of the Senators of the first class shall be vacated at the expiration of the second year, of the second class at the expiration of the fourth year, and the third class at the expiration of the sixth year, so that one third may be chosen every second year; and if vacancies happen by resignation, or otherwise, during the recess of the legislature of any state, the executive thereof may make temporary appointments until the next meeting of the legislature, which shall then fill such vacancies.
Article I, Section 2.
The House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every second year by the people of the several states, and the electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislature.
Now now, we had many years of people saying that if they just heard and understood the Team Blue message, no rational human being would ever vote Republican. Because Team Blue is some small third party or something?
House Popular Vote
Like the national popular vote for president, this is not a thing. But it does tell us what leftists think about dual sovereignty, and State/local representation.
Facebook announced yesterday that 85 Instagram accounts and 30 Facebook accounts were deleted after being "linked to foreign entities" in what's still a "very early-stage investigation."
for those who voted early, how will they ever get their altered vote back? where is the restitution?
Although this is one guy who, if I lived in his district, I would definitely be tempted to vote for the Democrat, just to see him lose.
http://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-.....07162.html
Christ what an asshole.
I've said this before, but I don't understand why there is so little coverage of all but a few select Senators. You hear the same ten names over and over, and I will admit you sometimes hear about Tom King, it's still rare and dominated by the politics of a very select few.
That is not the Senator from New York, but a rep from Iowa.
Whoops, thank you for the correction.
I think my point still stands though. Why so much of national politics is still focused on such a few elected officials.
Steve King must have a disturbing taste in porn.
In the weeks leading up to the election, President Donald Trump has indulged in increasingly deranged and divisive rhetoric.
In other words, normal first mid-terms presidential politicking.
Facebook's daily user base has been the same for the past three quarters. Twitter and Snapchat have both lost users in the U.S. or North America, respectively, in back-to-back quarters.
Yeah, purges will do that.
You know: Fascism.
Many Republicans saw their chance to come out of the closet (or bring down the door) with the election of DJT and show everyone their truest of colors: nativist, collectivist, jingoistic, anti-market, pro-central economic planning (not in a Marxian way but a more traditional mercantilist flavor) pro-eternal war, illiberal. And as economically incompetent as their fellow travelers on the Progressive side of the authoritarian spectrum.
Why don't you go burn some American flags in mexico or something?
You know: Fascism.
Because tax cuts and deregulation are textbook fascism. . . . . .
None of that is fascist.
Taunting enemies? Trade policy? Enforcing immigration law that was on the books long before he was even inaugurated?
Fascism has a meaning, wetback. Learn it.
You're correct. Which makes any conservative voting for the Democrats a total fucking idiot. If you are voting for the Democrats, you have forfeited any claim to not being a progressive and in lockstep support of the ideology.
Remember, many of the writers here had few problems voting for Hillary.
Most of the Twitter personalities, corporate brands, and others chanting "Go. Vote. It's Sooooo Important" want everyone to vote Democrat, so why not just say that instead of doing this phony apolitical civic duty routine
? Michael Tracey (@mtracey) November 6, 2018
The American voter who takes cues from social media doesn't know subtle.
"I desperately want Republicans to conclude that the GOP harms rather than helps its prospects when it vilifies minorities, stokes the authoritarian impulses of its most frightened voters, and willfully divides Americans."
This reads sort of like a religious socon view of what scientists do every morning: Why, they wake up, have breakfast, swill a latte, and then try to think up new and better ways to prove that there's no God!
Um . . . no.
The GOP isn't a single organism with a single mind, and it doesn't wake up every morning, punch the clock, and immediately start vilifying minorities, stoking authoritarian impulses, and trying to think up new and better ways to divide Americans.
That might describe identitarian social justice warriors. T
alk about vilifying minorities--aren't they all about vilifying the white, blue collar, middle class? Talk about dividing Americans, is there anybody out there setting the government against male "rape culture", denouncing Christianity and Christians for being inherently homophobic, denouncing all white people as being inherently racist, etc? Speaking of authoritarians, who is it that wants to strip us of our gun rights and thinks that free speech is inherently racist?
Find me a Democrat that is unapologetically pro-free markets and supports both the First and Second Amendments, and then maybe we can talk about the GOP stoking authoritarian impulses.
Barack Obama was more a bigger, more hateful, and more divisive racist by far than most elected republicans.
And most of these asshat contributors here at Reason seriously talked about him as if was a uniter and a great guy just like all their friends in the media, and attacked anyone who ever dared to point out otherwise with his own words.
Fuck all of them, especially the joke Friedersdorf.
And notice Fredersdorf is totally unbothered by the Demcorats constant deomonization of white males and the dreaded "white working class". And even though he claims "not to be a fan" of them, somehow they still deserve to be in power and the Republicans "punished".
It is just phony bullshit. I can't believe anyone thinks with that much cognitive dissonence. Yet, at the same time part of me thinks that Fredersdorf isn't lying here and really does think this. These people are just morons.
Leftists and progressives are so concerned about racism because it thrives the most in their own midst:
Portland ICE protesters spewed racist insults
It is not racism when they do it. Didn't you know that?
The Fash the Nation guys did some great deep dives on the Senate and House races. What makes them worthwhile is that in 2016 they called the races closer than any of the "professional" pollsters and pundits. Even if you hate the alt-right, these guys do their homework.
Do those opposed to Trump have a duty to vote Democrat
Absolutely, even if you're dead, imprisoned, undocumented, or already voted. No excuses
*slow clap*
Those people, mind you, are known as "polite losers".
Romney was one of those. And for all of his niceness and politeness, he was only a bigot who hated women, gays, and abused animals. While giving the wives of workers cancer.
Keep being nice to people who hate you. You simply demonstrate that you are too stupid to ever take seriously.
Yep, pull that D lever all the way down! Maybe we can make the US just like San Francisco:
"Illegal Airbnb rentals get San Francisco couple $2.25M fine"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news
/illegal-airbnb-rentals-get-san-
francisco-couple-2-25m-fine/
They thought that was THEIR property!
I hope they're put to death after paying their fine.
BTW, we at the Sevo household prefer to celebrate the first Tuesday in November as the annual 'Reduction in Egregious Lying Day'.
Have a beverage in celebration!
PROST!
SALUD!
+100
Any good election night coverage drinking games? Asking for a friend.
Just like voting, early and often.
What makes you think there will be another election if we vote for democrats "to show Trump a lesson"?
No sane person votes for 'more statist' against 'less statist' if they have any respect for individual freedoms.
The republicans are going to lose house seats because that is what happens, not because of some blue wave.
The socialists would have to flip 50 or 60 seats to show a 'wave' rather than history at work.
"The rejection of one candidate" should not "lead automatically to a vote for his opponent"
There's obviously something to this, but there's also something good from a libertarian perspective about average voters using the separation of powers to limit the executive--of whatever party.
Shirley, if seeing President Warren's, President Obama's, President Trump's, or President Reagan's powers limited is more important to you than anything else, voting for the opposition party in Congress is the rational thing to do.
That's reassuring from a libertarian perspective because it means the demise of the separation of powers may have been highly exaggerated.
Nothing makes a libertarian like me want to vote for Republicans like being free to choose between two Democrats for Senate.
There is something worse than choosing between two parties, and that's having only one party to choose from. I'd love to get to the point where I can lodge a protest vote for Libertarians again, but what does a protest vote mean in the Senate race now?
The progressives of Sacramento call Trump an authoritarian, but they're rigging the voting system to turn California into a one-party state--and not just figuratively.
This was supposed to be a response to Sevo's comment.
I blame it on the squirrels, rape culture, and Trump's hatred of all that is good and holy.
So why was I called out?
Friedersdorf voted for Hillary and hated Trump before he was even elected.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/11.....rump/print
Well, he is a "libertarian-leaning conservative", and according to the asshole rev and turd, that means he must have voted for HRC.
They all did that.
Well, he is a "libertarian-leaning conservative",
That's sure an awkward spelling of "cuck".
He's another lying professional fake libertarian, just like most of the con artists here. I'm a little surprised Welchie Boy hasn't hired him actually.
Because he has kissed enough ass to work at better publications than reason. He is just a sorry little bastard. I have more respect for honest leftists than I do for lying concern trolls like Friedersdorf.
" Voters can choose libertarians or other third party candidates. They could choose to write-in candidates. They could stay home."
More of this horse shit I see.
It's not that I'm a Republican; it's that I loathe Democrats, at least the hate [free] speech vilifying, gun controlling, identity politics and race baiting, and collectivist socialists they have become.
Libertarianism is a great philosophy, just not a good use of your one and only vote. Sorry but there is just too much at stake for that.
Libertarianism is a great philosophy, just not a good use of your one and only vote. Sorry but there is just too much at stake for that.
Not really. This election is not a point about which the nation will hinge. There's very little at stake, actually. In both houses, either party will have a razor slim majority, and we'll likely end up with a Democratic house (ie split government). Not much will get past the Senate anyway because the Republicans in the Senate are notorious for not voting as a bloc.
If this midterm election isn't the right time for a third party vote, then no election will ever rise to that standard.
I am not sure which is more sad, that Democrats think that the world will end if they don't take the House or that they think Maxine Waters issuing subpeonas that Trump will ignore will save the world.
The Democrats spent 8 years making the Presidency effectively immune to congressional oversight. But now they think that taking the House with a small majority is going to "stop Trump" whatever that means?
"Hey! Where did he get that pen and that phone?!"
LOL
The Russians must have given it to him. Part of me thinks that the Democrats are going to take the House today because justice demands that they do so and see Trump do to them what they cheered Obama doing to the Republicans after they took the House in 2010.
"I do not much like the Democratic Party," writes Conor Friedersdorf, a longtime libertarian-leaning conservative, at The Atlantic. "But I desperately want Republicans to conclude that the GOP harms rather than helps its prospects when it vilifies minorities, stokes the authoritarian impulses of its most frightened voters, and willfully divides Americans. Decisively defeating GOP candidates in the midterms is the surest way to send that message?while a Republican victory will encourage future campaign ads that even more closely resemble the work of D.W. Griffith."
Just let the Demcorats win and Conner will like you. And Connor doesn't much like the Democratic party, but somehow seems to support them in every election. Do these people even listen to themselves?
We have to let the Dems win just this once, for the sake of True Conservatism.
Ahoy.
I find it very odd that both Ezra Klein and Chris Chizilla both came up with the "what if the Democrats win the majority of the votes for the House but don't take a majority of seats?" talking point on their own. That was clearly fed to them by the DNC as the daily talking point. That makes me wonder if the Democrats are not very confident about taking the House. Why else get the spin out that early?
Beyond that, it is an unbelievably absurd talking point. The US is a federal republic. There is not a single office in the federal government that is chosen by national popular vote. That was by design. The national popular vote on an issue is absolutely irrelevent in federal politics. To claim it matters on anything much less the election of the House is a new level of stupidity and dishonesty even for these morons.
Why don't they quit futzing around and just come out and say it: they want votes in San Francisco to be the only votes that count.
It is also indicative of how much they chafe under federalism and the balance of powers.
Liberal Democrats were more likely than other ideological and partisan groups" to be politically active on social media."
Only because if you aren't liberal your not allowed on social media. Not proof that liberals are more adapted to social media as a way of claiming superiority
By definition, power is held by those who do well under our existing rules for voting & have no interest in change.
See Prop 9 in California. Removed from the ballot by the courts. I don't have a strong opinion either way on Prop 9 but it says a lot to me that when something has the potential to rally shake up the powers in place, they just say 'nope, can't vote on that you little people stick to voting on the size of chicken cages instead' (Prop 12)
There are rules for what issues can be decided by a popular vote and how you get an issue on the ballot. If Prop 9 isn't a proper subject for popular vote or they didn't follow the right procedures to get it on the ballot, then I don't have a problem with the court kicking it off the ballot. I have no idea if that is the case. Maybe the court made a bad decision here and didn't follow the law. If so, then that is complete bullshit. But if they did, then it is not a bad decision just because it took something off the ballot.
test
fucking squirrels
By definition, power is held by those who do well under our existing rules for voting & have no interest in change.
See Prop 9 in California. The courts just flat out removed it from the ballot for "reasons". I'm not sure what to think of Prop 9 but it says a lot when there is something that would actually be a major shake up to the entrenched powers that be and they just step in "Nope, we're not gonna let you vote on THAT, you little people can just stick to voting on road bonds and the size of chicken cages " (Prop 12, literally voting on the size of chicken cages SMDH)
"The United States will not tolerate foreign interference in our elections from Russia, China, Iran, or other nations," continued the statement.
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I couldn't vote this morning. The instructions from my Russian handlers accidentily ended up in my spam folder and got deleted.
"The United States will not tolerate foreign interference in our elections from Russia, China, Iran, or other nations," continued the statement.
Clearly a red line drawn in the sand.
Calling Conor Friedersdorf a "conservative" is ridiculous. He's a smidgen libertarian but his positions are basically partisan limousine-liberal. There is nothing conservative about him. Does anyone at Reason do research anymore?
Calling Friedersdorf a "Libertarian is ridiculous. He is a leftist Progressive through and through. He doesn't have a single conservative or Libertarian view other than a few issues like drugs and sodomy that are useful to the left in the culture war. He is just a moron.
538 (and if you can't trust them who can you trust?) seems to have downgraded their Senate GOP edge quite a bit. Now they say only 1/2 seat gain!
Only upgrading that Democratic house edge though! There must be a mighty ugly early turnout story being told for the Republicans!
I hope everyone enjoyed taunting the progs over their tears and hysteria over the past two years! We are in for a hell of a treat for the next two.
The Republicans were doing better in early voting than they were in 2016. And it is only 11:20 on the east coast. I really don't know what information they could have that would be more than anecdotal or particularly compelling one way or another.
Well I have to say if there is nationwide shitty weather that may be the worst thing of all. We're really just playing for time until the Republicans die off; there's no reason to hasten demographic fate more than necessary. Bah; I will just stay home and eat some soup today, no need to risk a slip and fall. Morrie and Mabel and Doris will be voting anyway; I know it. Mine won't matter much.
Hard to instant-message oldsters too.
For what it is worth, my polling place in deep blue Maryland was pretty empty. The crowd was about the same as it was in 10 and 14 but much smaller than any of the Presidential elections.
All the news seems to be about record lines. Nationwide they're saying that, and they're saying that on Long Island here specifically; NY normally has tiny turnout and well-staffed sites so that is remarkable. I have to admit, if it wasn't obvious already, I care far more about the state senate than the US House. Even today, most policy takes place at the states; and while I'm not ready to actually cheer for a Democratic House like Just Say'n, preventing a Democratic trifecta is much, much more important than preventing split government.
Huge turnouts in places like Long Island likely don't do the Democrats any good. It just increases their winning margins in races they were certain to win anyway.
At the Congressional level, big nationwide turnout has not been great news for the Democrats since 2008. 2016 had a big turnout and they still didn't take either house of Congress.
I don't know why everyone keeps treating Long Island like it's some sort of historical Democratic stronghold. Every time I mention it, every non-New Yorker sniffs at me like I am staring at the heart of a stereotypical Northeast prog blue bubble marvelling at its blueness. Long Island is historically the very picture of perfect, stereotypical, hardline soccer-mom Republicanism. This used to be a purple state, with a red presidential voting habit; it had a three-term Republican governor not long ago; it was the home of Al D'Amato (and the ultra-opportunistic Pat Moynihan was a typical Democrat); Pete King still is here; LI has a Democratic machine head who is basically a Republican; there has been a Republican Senate almost constantly since forever, and LI was its lynchpin; the Senate leader is from there.
Furthermore LI is historically uncommon among soccer mom suburbs because of how rabidly frightened about immigration it once was. The Suffolk County President, Dan Levy, actually crossed over to the Republicans ten years ago on that issue.
Much of this is gone. My state is about to go dark blue at all levels, for good. This is an important erosion. If the "Dem-friendly tendencies" of the upper middle class--not only the new hipsteresque urban repopulaters, but the may-I-speak-with-your-manager soccer moms--are now overwhelming the "Republican-friendly tendencies" then this seals the GOP's fate. And Long Island is the best litmus test out there.
The reason that New York is turning blue is because so many middle class voters are leaving it. New York is losing native population by the millions. It lost something like 4% of its native population since 2010.
Who are the people moving? Just a guess but I bet most of them are the types of middle class voters who voted for people like King and D'Amato. So I don't think New York going blue is indication of the rest of the country. I think it is a result of the government and taxes being so bad Republican voters are just leaving.
I'll have to think about it for a bit. But for what it's worth, it's already a commonplace folk belief upstate that the Democrats are deliberately destroying and fucking over upstate in order to depopulate it, so NYC can have an absolute majority. And I think statewide among some there is almost a sense that natives are being "replaced" in a political-demographic strategy, almost like the sense you'd get in a European country over their issues, in favor of NYC becoming a sort of magnet for flyover America's wokest progs.
The soccer moms will go back to voting republican when they have to choose between getting a bikini wax or filling up their SUV at $8 per gallon.
You live in MD? Damn, you have my sympathies. Just did a trip through Gettysburg, Monticello, and down to Savannah and avoided that Republik at all costs [I have a concealed carry and figured they'd likely toss me in jail for being out of State]
Be very careful traveling back here with any kind of weapons. Maryland is actually not too insane. They basically don't regulate long guns. But they demand all handguns be registered. But there is a seven year statute of limitations on that law and it is rarely enforced.
They don't have good gun laws but they are not totally insane the way New York and New Jersey are. Sadly, Virginia is nearly as bad as Maryland these days. As bad as Maryland is, the Maryland Republican party manages to produce decent governors. Hogan is about as good as you can expect. Virginia seems to be caught in a vice between the lunatic SJWs in NOVA and the lunatic SOCONs in the rest of the state. The Virginia Republican Party seems to have a gift for running morons for governor.
What is so lunatic about their socons? They don't seem to make much trouble these days. (Except when they unite with the progs over liquor laws or whatever.)
I am surprised Hogan is actually a good governor; I'd have expected especially given his enormous margins in a state like Maryland he would basically be like the governors of MA and VT.
Once upon a time you could sometimes just be a competent executive and get elected under the right circumstances. Like Jersey City in the 1990s elected a Republican mayor. And we are talking about a very, very, very conservative Republican mayor, in a city that is less than five percent Republican. But I cannot see that happening anywhere today no matter what. I don't know what the Democratic versus Republican way to take out the garbage is, but I'm sure they exist.
I like the SOCONs and go out of my way to defend them. But they forever can't seem to keep from making statements about the culture war that offends the idiot subrubanites that are needed to stop the Democrats. I keep thinking the voters in Virginia will get enough Democratic governance good and hard enough they will wisen up. My God, even the people in Maryland did. But they never seem to.
I keep thinking the voters in Virginia will get enough Democratic governance good and hard enough they will wisen up.
Unlikely, unless they give Arlington and Alexandria back to DC.
Maryland did and Montgomery County is just as liberal as Arlington.
Arlington and Alexandria have about 400,000 people and vote 80% DEM-that would at least turn Virginia back to a purple state. Throw in Fairfax and Prince William and it would be a red state. For Maryland, you can give MoCo and PG counties to DC and it would be a purple state. Maybe this is how they should propose DC statehood.
OMG, black folks with MAGA hats on at the polling station today!
Haha. Its gonna be a Democrat bloodbath.
Put down the mirror, LC. You're a handsome guy, but you're gonna bump into something if you're not careful.
They are just there to intimidate the other minorities into not voting.
I was just looking around at all the little things that make people individuals:
Some 10+ year old car pulled up with Obama 2008 hope and change bumper sticker.
Black folks with MAGA hats on.
Somewhat new Georgians who were figuring out things worked here.
Voters who left the polls and did not seem to know there way around town. Almost like they dont live here.
The old ladies running the polling station talking about how the line was a few hundred deep Friday night.
I saw a guy in my very prog polling place wearing a shirt with an AR-15 on it. I also got a very worried look from a woman because I was wearing a bright red rain jacket-not political or anything, just like the color and its highly visible. Or it could have been my button down outfit and lack of facial hair and tattoos that worried her.
LOL although I've had a beard since 1985, I've never gotten a tattoo (even when I was in the Navy). Back then it made me a "square"; nowadays it's practically an act of rebellion to not have a tattoo.
Still no mention of this, Reason?:
China's president vows to lower tariffs, increase imports amid tensions with US
Long time no Xi.
But Mexican and Shreek assure me that the Chinese are winning the trade war and propping up the US economy.
No shit. they both claim this.
Oh Jesus I actually didn't read that while I was making my idiotic callback pun! That's incredible! Unfortunately it's too 11th hour; it will not make it into the news cycle. Yesterday, and maybe we could've salvaged the Midwest.
In b4 everyone loses their shit over my "we" heresy again, drawing all sorts of overblown and unwarranted conclusions.
I will say it's interesting how historically the media has portrayed foreign leaders (especially if they're seen as adversarial) as one-dimensional brutes who should under no circumstances be antagonized.
I'm against the tariffs and they're hitting directly at not just my industry but my company specifically.
Anyhoo, I think this portrayal of foreign leaders in this way is a pretty myopic view. Foreign leaders and governments can and do respond to incentives. It'll be interesting to see this play out.
This country has a terrible habit of either rolling over to foreign nations and giving them everything or decidign they are adversaries and demanding their complete humiliation. Presidents of both parties seem to be incapable of understanding that in order to get another leader to do what you want, you have to give them a reason to do so. And do it or else usually doesn't work or if it does gives you a pyric victory because the nation and the leader never forget the humiliation and eventually take their revenge.
People made fun of Trump's claims to make deals but he had a point. If we want China to do something, we need to make it so doing it is in their interests. That means potentially antagonizing them and making life harder if they don't do what we want.
I'm just being told I have to vote. And vote for anyone or anything. But as long as I vote, Trump loses I think.
As I have said before many times-Trump could easily have been (and was) a Democrat circa 1995. Back when they were tough on crime, drugs, and illegal immigration, and enjoyed blowing people up too. And it was the blue collar dems who helped elect him, like they did Bill Clinton. But the Dems hate being reminded of this earlier version of themselves, much like in Mad Men, when Don Draper met his long lost brother. Trump is like the crazy uncle you keep in the attic.
I like this analysis!
There used to be a fair number of sane Democrats who while they believed in government, were not full on socialists and didn't loath the country at large and want it transformed into something more to their liking. Sadly, those Democrats don't really exist anymore or to the extent they do they are bullied into supporting the lunatics who run the party.
If we had a healthy Republic with two competing but mostly sane parties, Trump probably still would be a Democrat and would be a President simular to Bill Clinton after the Democrats lost control of the Congress.
Sadly, we don't have a healthy Republic right now. We have on party the Democrats that has gone absolutely batshit insane and another party, the Republicans, that until Trump was run by people happy to sit fat dumb and happy as the loyal and ineffective oppostion to the lunatic party.
In saner times the 2016 election would have been Trump or someone like him for the Democrats and Ron Paul or maybe Scott Walker running for the Republicans. Even if you didn't like those choices, the choices would have at least made sense and neither of the candidates likely to do at least a respectable job if they were elected.
A certain bougie type, now in firm and permanent ascendance, does not hate the United States but they do as you say hate most of it (even, perhaps especially, if they come from there). And they do find patriotism gauche, but this isn't even the real story. Patriotism with our level of zealousy and un-self-consciousness is rather an American peculiarity; and what these folks actually hate is all our American peculiarities. It's like the virtue-signalling cocktail parties we're always talking about, but writ international. Why can't we just be like every other civilized country? That we are not is embarrassing in front of the other rich countries that are way more sophisticated than us. (And of course, expressing such a sentiment as an individual is yet another way of demonstrating your urbane, global sophistication. Not nasty backward "nationalism.")
...We all laughed at these people for decades. Well who's laughing now? It's now become dangerous. And the demographic future is theirs, and they will use it to turn us into the UK or worse. (Some aspects more rapidly than others.) This is why Trump arose. The Democrats turned themselves fully into a Euro-soc-dem party; to fill the vacuum we needed a euro-style "populism" (booga-booga!). But we are behind the curve; Europe may be pulling back from its own excesses in many ways, but we have a long way to go toward their status quo before we do the same. If you think the Republicans can all of a sudden start winning Latinos--not, oh how great we got almost 40% of them this one election--then yes we can save you. But good fucking luck. They can't even get the Jews and get back the Asians.
Latinos are much more diverse than blacks or other traditional minorities. There is also a huge amount of intermarriage between Latinos and whites such that the term is starting to be less and less meaningful. All of the Progs and the few actual white nationalists point to the rise in the Latino population as the end of the evil white male. The problem is that there is so much intermarriage that more and more Latinos are not very Latin.
Beyond that, a lot of Latinos are not very good fits for the Demcorats. For example, 51% of them support putting troops on the border. The idea that some fourth generation Mexican in San Antonio is going to be all for letting huge numbers of Salvadorans and Somalians into the country is absurd. Or that a largely Catholic group is going to suddenly be totally okay with Transgenderism and making gays a protected class. I don't think Republicans will be getting a majority of them anytime soon. But I don't think Democrats are ever going to get 80 or 90 percent of their votes like they imagine. And with the Democrats increasingly writing off 70 or more percent of the white vote, getting even 60 or 70 percent of the Latino vote isn't going to do it for them.
Trump is a hand grenade. He was thrown at Washington to blow shit up.
What the media still doesn't understand about Trump is that he won partly because he wasn't an ideologue. The country had 16 years of first Bush trying to save the world for democracy and then Obama trying to transform the country into his own image whether they liked it or not. It was tired of ideology and very reciptive to someone who claimed to just want to get things done and do what was best for the country.
Anyone who claims dividing Americans is a reason to vote Democrat is an idiot.
+1000
The Democrats have been the ones dividing us for the past 50 years now
Nothing says unity like claiming anyone who disagrees with you is just a racist.
God bless Iowahawk.
>>>Do those opposed to Trump have a duty to vote Democrat?
T not on ballot. Der.
"In the weeks leading up to the election, President Donald Trump has indulged in increasingly deranged and divisive rhetoric."
And the Democrats are singing kumbaya?