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Trump's Anti-Press Rhetoric Is Irresponsible, Even If the Bomber Is Just a Crazy Person

Trump: "We must never allow political violence to take root in America."

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Authorities have arrested Cesar Sayoc, a 56-year-old resident of Florida, in connection with the dozen explosive packages mailed to the Clintons, the Obamas, CNN, and other political and media figures.

From what we can tell—based on his van and crazy social media ramblings—Sayoc seems like a textbook unhinged far-right troll. He worships President Trump and is violently obsessed with denigrating the media and Democrats. He appears to buy into every stereotypical right-wing conspiracy, from David Hogg being a crisis actor to Obama's missing birth certificate.

Sayoc also possesses a criminal record, and he was charged with making a bomb threat way back in 2002.

It's tempting to place some of the blame here on unhinged right-wing rhetoric. Unlike Jared Lee Loughner—whose motivations for shooting Gabby Giffords turned out to have nothing to do with Sarah Palin, or with right-wing politics in general, contrary to what many in the media continue to assert—Sayoc seems at first blush like a conventionally right-wing crazy person (at least in the Alex Jones sense) who was fired up about the sort of issues that animate the #MAGA fever swamps of social media.

We might learn new facts that complicate this narrative. Or we might not. Either way, ultimate blame lies with the person who committed the crime, not overheated rhetoric. Just as you shouldn't blame Sen. Bernie Sanders for the shooting of Steve Scalise, Trump is not directly responsible for those suspicious packages.

That said, Trump's statements about the media—CNN, in particular—are truly vile, and he should tone them down considerably. Calling the press "the enemy of the people" is something demagogues do. It's one thing to encourage healthy skepticism of mainstream narratives; it's quite another for the president to deliberately sow distrust of anyone trying to hold him accountable.

Trump spoke to attendees of Turning Point USA's Young Black Leadership Summit on Friday afternoon. He began by thanking law enforcement for their excellent work finding Sayoc so quickly.

"These terrorizing acts are despicable and have no place in our country," he said. "We must never allow political violence to take root in America. I am committed to do everything in my power to stop it, and stop it now."

Trump's subsequent remarks included none of the overheated anti-media denunciations that have become a common staple of his campaign rallies. It would be better for the country if this became the new normal, whether or not the president's anti-CNN screeds played any role in inspiring the bomb scares.

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  1. Popcorn is ready!

  2. I had my doubts before, but this does it. I’m positive Robby is purposely trolling the commentators of this website.

    1. I was going to say the same thing.
      “Trump’s Anti-Press Rhetoric Is Irresponsible” < - - this is peak Robby

      1. “Trump’s Anti-Press Rhetoric Is Irresponsible” < - - this is peak Robby"This is peak double standards

        1. Twin peaks?

    2. They could consider not trying to shoehorn libertarianism into support for a blatant rightwing demagogue.

      1. Could you articulate this thought more?

        1. Rightwing demagoguery is not the same thing as libertarianism? At least in theory.

          1. I was hoping you could describe the they you think you are talking about. Trying to diagnose if you are delusional paranoid or just paranoid.

            1. Got told by a prog friend last weekend that libertarians are part of Trump’s core and responsible for him. Can I give her your phone number Tony, so you can set her straight?

              1. Your friend was referring to faux libertarians.

                1. So delusional paranoid.

                2. So Rev, you? Because you are definitely the most authoritarian dickhead on here.

    3. Without a doubt. Robby knows how to get the clicks.

      1. It’s the libertarian in him.

        1. We call them clicktarians now.

    4. totally agree.

  3. ‘…textbook unhinged far-right troll’. ‘….a conventionally right-wing crazy person.’

    Now do democrats.

    1. Ricin attacks suspect wasn’t a democrat… Because reasons. Guy who attempted to stab a California candidate? Not a democrat. The guy who shot scalise, was purely coincidental that he favorites maddow and Bernie pages.

      What don’t you get?

      1. I forgot about that. Did Female Seth Rogan ever disavow her wannabe-assassin fanboy?

        1. Two Republican representatives were also assaulted in MN

          http://www.fox9.com/news/two-minnesot…..ed-punched

          1. This is why Robby is honestly retarded. If you start playing the game of “muh..rhetoric” then you basically concede the central principle underlying free speech: “words are not violence”.

            This knuckle head is embracing the standard that he supposedly takes issue with on college campuses

            1. Don’t forget a Wisconsin Democrat was just arrested for trying to buy “radioactive materials with an intent to kill”. Wanna guess who he was intending to kill?

              1. Googled that. He was a former Republican candidate for congress.
                https://tinyurl.com/yc89aqj7

                1. Is Segway Boy related to Trump? I mean, they are both pretending to be something they are not.

    2. No chance of that. Right wing crazy people don’t have cocktail parties, left-wing crazy people do.

      1. You don’t get invited to drinks in Georgetown if you slag the tribe.

  4. An unhinged, Native American, Trump-worshiping, far-right troll. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but that’s somehow familiar…

    1. You don’t seem to understand much anymore it seems

    2. Warren doesn’t worship trump dummy. But she is far enough left she is wrapping back around to the other side.

      1. I wasn’t referring to Lizzy.

    3. Wait, you don’t mean White Indian do you?

      Jesus sarc, put down the flask, Trump was clownishly failing at casino ownership and a Dwmocrat when Indian was around. Not to mention Indian was definitely not right wing.

      1. Notice the one person who is conspicuously missing from this thread? An old farmer from Georgia with Native American heritage and a MAGA hat?

        1. Ohhhh…

          I kind of edit him out of threads, but that IS highly unusual for him. This doesn’t strike me as a thread he’d miss.

        2. I have a MAGA hat?

          I must have got it from a Pawnee shop.

    4. AmerIndians…fighting terrorism since 1492.

  5. That said, Trump’s statements about the media?CNN, in particular?are truly vile…

    Let’s not set about defining down vile now, too. His statements were, at worst, cause for hurt feelings for those not used to political roughhousing.

    1. Trump calls cnn fake news because they’ve had a large number of fake stories. Trump needs to apologize.

      Cnn calls trump racist, Nazi, bigot, stupid, etc… No apology needed.

      This is what Robby actually thinks.

      1. ^this. Robby has no problem with Trump’s rhetoric…unless it’s directed at the media. I find his battle with the media the most compelling aspect of his character.

    2. Trump’s statements about the media?CNN, in particular?are truly vile
      CNN owns that. Their own rhetoric against anyone who isn’t part of the clerisy, haute bourgeoisie or one of their auxiliary bien pensants has been doubly vile.

      I think they should regarded with the same contempt as Der St?rmer, Pravda and the People’s Daily.

      1. Q: Why is progressive/corporate media so threatened that Trump called them the enemy of the people?
        A: Because they are.

        Nothing is more threatening than the truth.

        1. +1

          That and clearly Americans are not listening to propaganda of the Lefty media.

        2. Winner

        3. When I talk about bringing McCathyism back, our current media is EXACTLY why.

        4. Yup. If the centrist people who still think CNN tells the truth just realized how much they spin and/or outright lie… The Dems would be DONE.

  6. This bomb scare thing, since it was done by someone hating leftists, makes me want more leftism in my life.

    Please, let’s support leftists because of this. It’s the only sensible thing to do.

  7. Let’s all ignore how condemning rhetoric was never made when Bernie Sanders said healthcare reform would murder people and then one of his supporters shot up a bunch of GOP representatives

    1. Just a reminder about rhetoric that Robby and the writers at Reason never condemned:

      http://www.thehill.com/policy/healthc…..ill-people

      1. Just a few weeks later Rand Paul and other Republican members of congress were nearly assassinated by a Bernie bro who said “this is for healthcare” (according to Rand Paul)

        1. https://www.reason.com/blog/2017/06/14…..l-rhetoric

          So, this is the article that Welch wrote after the baseball shooting.

          “Sanders did not choose in this moment to stand up and denounce the increasingly violent rhetoric coming from the left wing of American politics, and appropriately so: As I argued after Jared Loughner’s deadly Arizona shooting rampage in 2011 (and again as recently as last month), responsibility for acts of violence lies with the perpetrators, not unconnected persons engaged in political hyperbole, no matter how deranged the latter.”

          1. Nice try, though, Sarc. It’s totally relevant to discuss a piece written by a contributor who notes that calling Republicans murders is not accurate.

            Real relevant to the shooting, except for the fact that it was written before the shooting. You tried, though

          2. I agree with him there. I don’t know if Sander should not have denounced the left or not, but I do agree with his final point. Wonder what he has to say about this one.

            1. Sanders didn’t need to apologize for the shooter, even though his rhetoric was wrong. Trump’s rhetoric is somewhat less hateful and despicable than Bernie’s (though more crass in nature), and he also has nothing to apologize for.

              1. He certainly doesn’t need to apologize for the shooter. Denouncing it though, I don’t know. And I mean that as I truly don’t know either way. I have no strong feelings about that.

            2. Welch is write in his analysis. What I am suggesting is that Robby’s attempt to suggest that however this time rhetoric matters is desperately and transparently hypocritical.

              1. *right

            3. And there is nothing wrong with agreeing with him. The problem is that that logic has been thrown out the window here even though it applies equally well.

              1. One thing is it’s Robby not Matt. Hit and Run is just a blog basically. There’s no obvious editorial oversight, for better or worse.

                I will disagree with Robby here. And I will point out that he admits at the end that Trump did not mention the press in the discussion at the college today. So Robby is the one who inserted it into this particular narrative.

                1. The insanity of a guy like Robby who covers colleges and ostensibly disagrees with the notion that “words are violence” then turning around and condemning rhetoric and equating it with actual violence is breathtaking.

                  It’s a massive concession to the detriment of free speech

                  1. Yes, Robby is inconsistent on a lot of stuff related to Trump. Even his college analysis is often hysterical seeming to me .I disagree with the general trend, but even then some of the stuff he reports on doesn’t seem particularly egregious to me.

          3. Welch from the article:

            “On days like today, it’s worth engaging in a little self-inventory to see how you reacted when the political violence was aimed at the opposing team. If in one case you assign responsibility to the shooter, and not to the political opponents of the targets, you really ought to do so in the other.”

            LOL. Should forward to Robby.

      2. Remy did a bit on that.

    2. That is supposed to be at the bottom.of the memory hole, dammit!

  8. It might help if the press tried to comport itself with a modicum of dispassionate professionalism with regards to criticizing Trump and the GOP in general and propping up the Democrats.

    1. *blinks*

      I suppose you’re one of the many people here who’ve never ever seen Hannity.

      1. Hey, guess what: We can hate the mainstream media AND hate Sean Hannity. Him being a blowhard doesn’t somehow make the rest of them any better.

      2. Sean Hannity is “the press”?

        1. He seems to think so.

          1. So, in your crazy mind, Rachel “Alex Jones” Maddow is the press too?

            1. So we’re limiting the discussion to straight news readers who you think have a bias against the most ridiculous clown ever to set foot in the White House?

              1. Who has a progressive bias and covers Republicans and Democrats differently?

                You can’t be honest here. It’s accepted fact at this point

                1. Who’s a whiny little bitch?

                  It’s a free country with a free press. And if you count radio and the internet, the left hardly has a stranglehold on public opinion.

                  1. So, the media is free time biasly report but it is in proper for the President to criticize them for it? Hmmmmm, that seems consistent with the 1A. Got to love leftist logic

                  2. Who’s a whiny little bitch?
                    Is this a rhetorical question, Tony? Self-address?

            2. So there’s no problem that 90%+ of the press coverage in the US is biased heavily towards the left huh?

              Honestly, I’d be just as worried if it were ALL biased towards the right Tony. That’s the difference between you and I. I think that libertarian and conservative opinions, if given remotely equal coverage, would in fact crush the garbage arguments the left makes. So I have no fear of equal coverage.

              But the left sure seems to. Perhaps they KNOW their arguments are garbage? Which is why they have to spit propaganda instead of objective facts, and when delving into opinion they have to push only one side as being correct?

      3. Hannity is not a reporter. His show is opinion.

        I personslly have always found his argument style tedious, even when I agree with him, as he latches onto minutiae and often misses the bigger issue.

        1. I hate the man. Can’t watch his show. He invites guests on, asks them a question, and then interrupts their attempts to answer. What’s the point in having guests if you’re going to talk over them? And at random times, he’ll start extolling his own virtues, what a great guy he is.

          Fuck him.

          1. Which is why I don’t watch his show. I mostly know of him from when he was a radio personality in Atlanta.

            1. I use to listen to a local radio station that would play Hannity’s show after another local show that I listened to wrapped up. I couldn’t stand his god awful intro song (“Let Freedom Ring”).

              But, also watch what you say about Hannity. Dude knows karate:

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fkdv9g5aFk

        2. He’s pretty awful. Though I did get to hear his live breakdown during the 2016 election, blaming Glenn Beck and the Never-Trumpers et. al. if Trump lost. It was pretty glorious.

        3. Hannity is not that awesome. Once in awhile he’ll have a good run, but not my guy. Tucker Carlson on the other hand, has been pretty rad lately. He ALSO goes some shitty stuff like just steam roll over guests… But somehow I like his style better while doing it! Also, he just eviscerates people. And his arguments are usually pretty legit. Sometimes not, as he is a little too bible thumpery a LITTLE BIT on some issues, but often is awesome.

      4. I suppose you’re one of the many people here who’ve never ever seen Hannity.

        *search-log* *media* *error* *error* *sean hannity* *faux news* *bigot* *right-wing* *trump-tard* *white-supremacist* *end-seq*

      5. Sean Hannity is not a member of the press. He hosts an opinion show. He is upfront about this. CNN and MSNBC do not do this.

    2. Fuck dispassionate professionalism, that’s a pipe dream. Give me a halfway developed sense of proportion, and memory lasting longer than a week.

      1. You don’t ask for much, do you?

  9. And yet most right-wing nutjobs never end up doing anything violent. We’re on a political website, and so it becomes our job to view everything through that lens, but the more likely truth is that his political beliefs are coincident with his actions rather than responsible for them.

    And before anyone gets to me, yes, that’s true of many left-wing nutjobs too.

      1. This guy actually linked to the SPLC and thinks we should really consider what they have to say.

        1. K, find me the link that says actually liberals cause more terrorism and then I’ll point and laugh at your source.

          1. Are you not aware of the 60’s and 70’s? Or the fact that the SPLC is a discredited organization?

          2. The vast majority of US domestic terrorist attacks are performed by eco-terrorists.
            More than 2000 attacks, in fact, mostly by the Earth Liberation Front or the Animal Liberation Front.

            1. they’re actually right wing conservatives

      2. let me guess….they count hate speech as terror attacks and attacks carried out by Muslims as workplace violence

      3. Yes, you can split statistical noise. Because any set of values you can perform operations like that on. That has nothing to do with my point.

        The GTD, the source they reference, is also questionable at times. For instance, it says Stephen Paddock was an anti-government terrorist. This is definitely questionable, as last I checked no official motive was ever discovered and the case was closed. So, you have something besides the point of what I said, that rests on questionable stats regardless.

      4. Well when you arbitrarily classify all of the following as “Right-wing” :

        “last year were tied to racist, anti-Muslim, homophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, anti-government, or xenophobic motivations,”

        It’s just laughable to claim all these are right wing.

        “”were driven by left-wing ideologies ? and Islamic extremism.””

        I’m trying to figure out whey they did’t classify Islamic extremism as right wing too. Obviously they are all conservative, religious extremists.

        1. On the contrary I think it’s generous of them not to include Muslim terrorism as right-wing.

          1. Proof that politics is religion to leftist idiots. They just replaced the devil as the cause of all evil with the imaginary right wing evil they must fight against. You’re a religious nut Tony.

            1. I simply consider terrorism motivated by extreme conservative religion to be more right-wing than left-wing, because that’s what the words mean.

              1. No. It’s not what the words mean in a classical political sense.

              2. But right wingers “hate” Islam while left-wingers, clearly, do not.

        2. I’m trying to figure out whey they did’t classify Islamic extremism as right wing too. Obviously they are all conservative, religious extremists.

          All I see is that Democrats are bigger terrorists than fascists. Literally worse than Nazis.

      5. If there were as many examples of right wing violence as the splc claims, there wouldn’t be the need for a database of fake hate crimes that are now numbered in the 100s.

      6. A link to the splc? Now THAT is some good, old-fashioned trolling.

        But seriously fuck off with that shit. They label everyone to the right of Grandpa Gulag, Liz of the Fauxhicans and She Guevera as a “far-right extremist”.

        1. Conservatives protest with their families for conservative issues, like being anti-abortion.

      7. It helps when you lump a whole bunch of contradictory ideologies together and call them “the Right”.

        It also helps when your kind get to decide which attacks count as “terrorism.”

  10. That crazy Seminole bomber should’ve just beat up people instead of mailing FAKE BOMBS – – he’s got some muscles on him.

    1. Robbie’s article would be more coherent if he called out the issue of steroids and violence instead of Trump’s rhetoric.

  11. I’m not going to blame Bernie Sanders for the shooting of Steve Scalise, but if the left blames Trump for this weirdo, then I will.

    1. Bernie Sanders never, to the best of my knowledge, told his followers that Steve Scalise was an enemy of the people or offer to pay their legal fees if they attack him.

      1. He’s a socialist. He’s not going to spend his money on someone else.

      2. Most of the people who were sent bombs we’re not the media. In fact none were. Cnn keeps trying to claim victim good, but that was a package to Brennan, not cnn.

        1. They were sent to Democrats, that is the media.

          1. Fine I concede my objection.

      3. told his followers that Steve Scalise was an enemy of the people

        No, just Republicans in general. And he said that they would “take away healthcare” resulting in “the deaths of millions”.

        1. And the shooter wasn’t targeting scalise, he asked specifically if it was Republicans there. He didn’t care which ones.

        2. And the shooter wasn’t targeting scalise, he asked specifically if it was Republicans there. He didn’t care which ones.

  12. The NYT is currently publishing assasination fiction about Trump. It is a bit rich for the media to complain that Trump says mean things about them. And does Robby think the assasination porn if vile?

    1. If it wasn’t for double standards, Robby wouldn’t have any standards at all.

  13. “Trump’s Anti-Press Rhetoric Is Irresponsible, Even If the Bomber Is Just a Crazy Person”

    The press has no idea how much they’re hated by average people. If Trump is successful in turning this election into a referendum on the press, the Republicans are going to outperform on election day.

    “WASHINGTON, D.C. — Americans’ trust and confidence in the mass media “to report the news fully, accurately and fairly” has dropped to its lowest level in Gallup polling history, with 32% saying they have a great deal or fair amount of trust in the media. This is down eight percentage points from last year.”

    —-Gallup

    September 14, 2016

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/19…..w-low.aspx

    Trump didn’t just win in spite of the bad coverage–he won, at least in part, because of it.

    As bad as Trump’s and Hillary’s approval rating were, America’s opinion of the press was even lower–and the press has done anything since then to change their awful coverage. In fact, it’s gotten worse. The American people hate the press–and they should. The elitist, conformist, propagandist press deserves every bit of our contempt.

    If the press doesn’t like being hated and criticized for being so biased and awful, instead of blaming those like Trump who are pointing out the obvious, maybe the press should stop being so biased and awful.

    1. Lots of us hate the press for helping make Trump president with its insufferable both-sidesism, distractability, and ratings whoring.

      1. Yeah, Trump won the Presidency because of all of the positive coverage the media gave him. You really do live in bizzaro world.

        1. Estimates are in the billions of dollars for the free press he got.

          1. So calling him a racist and a facist and all of his supporters white supremacists every day for months leading to the election is “free press”. Wow.

            1. Does Trump’s shtick appeal to people or not? And does that shtick not include incessant whining about the media? So if he’s all over the media all of the time, is he not getting political help from the coverage? He did win. Maybe he was just a real good politician.

              1. So the fact that liberals and their allies went insane and attacked Trump but did so in such a completely idiotic way that it made Trump more popular means Trump got elected becasue of all this free press?

                Tony you belong to a movement that is insane and makes up for it by being incompetent. And Trump has handed you your ass and will continue to do so. Why that is the media’s fault is a mystery knonw only to you.

                1. So the media is responsible for untold amounts of evil in the world… except Trump.

                  The problem is that when Trump called his political opponents childish names and mocked their looks and grabbed pussies and couldn’t so much as keep his little tiny mouth shut when parents of a dead American soldier criticized him, a lot of Americans liked it. The problem is you. Just how you think the problem is me for being educated and believing in fairness, peace, and tolerance.

                  1. You have to be a troll. No one can be this lacking in self awareness.

                    Don’t look now but 90% of media coverage of Trump has been negative since day 1. Not that looking at facts would change your mind.

                    1. And maybe that is because 90% of Trump is negative. I’ll even spot him the fucking 10%, but don’t ask me to point to it on a diagram.

                    2. Like what?

          2. Estimates are in the billions of dollars for the free press he got.

            I would like to know how that estimate was done.

            And you conveniently forget the 99% negative coverage during and since the election.

            1. Maybe he should stop being such a shitshow of epic proportions and the press will cover him differently.

              Stop being a whiny little bitch. If you want a press that butters Trump’s balls, start your own newspaper. Or just realizes that FOX News, all of talk radio, and a good chunk of the internet already exists to do that.

              1. Maybe he should stop being such a shitshow of epic proportions and the press will cover him differently.

                I’m glad you acknowledge most of the coverage is negative. Now adjust the rest of your narrative so you sound like less of a child

                1. Because he deserves it… get it?

              2. Maybe he should stop being such a shitshow of epic proportions and the press will cover him differently.

                I would like them to make an honest attempt at impartiality. Is that too much to ask? (I suspect that it is…)

                1. The press reporting on the things Trump says and does is not fucking bias, it’s their job.

                  1. “Look at this imbecilic thing Trump said, what a buffoon he must be.” Sure, that’s fair.

                    There’s seldom an attempt to apply those same critical standards to equivalent figures on the left, like Obama or Hillary. It’s usually considered “taking things out of context” or just insincere nitpicking.

                    So yes, I’m going to say it’s portraying evidence of their inherent bias. They simply don’t put figures on “their side” under the same level of scrutiny.

                  2. Yeah and they do it so well they even report things he doesn’t say or do.

                  3. It’s their job to ignore 99% of a speech and focus on a single term? And if that doesn’t work take an innocuous word and declare it a dog whistle?

                  4. Tony, the MSM’s job is to spread propaganda.

              3. “Stop being a whiny little bitch”

                Physician heal thyself.

                1. Well Tony, PERHAPS if half or so of the country AGREES with Trump on most/all of his positions… PERHAPS those issues and positions should be treated seriously? Taking a position half the country holds, and then just calling it evil, insane, ridiculous, moronic, etc etc etc is a bit much I think.

                  But that’s what the press does. ONLY one answer is the correct answer, and it’s always whatever the left is pushing. The other ideas on how to deal with a certain issue are always “bad” in one way or another.

                  Same with Trump. Trump has done plenty of awesome stuff, and stuff that lots of the country likes… Yet all they do is bag on even those as being horrible mistakes or whatever.

                  It’s preposterous, and normal people can see it… But you’re not normal. You’re an NPC.

          3. “Estimates are in the billions of dollars for the free press he got”

            You’ll notice that Tony concedes that it wasn’t positive press.

            1. Because what is a libertarian if not a person who whines about politicians getting bad press?

              1. My lord, Tony, did you even read what you just wrote ?

              2. “Because what is a libertarian if not a person who whines about politicians getting bad press?”

                Whine about libertarians some more.

    2. My only hope is that general hatred of the press can be turned into healthy skepticism, of the press and other things as well, rather than just pure reactionary hatred.

      1. The notion that libertarians shouldn’t have contempt for a press that constantly cheer leads on overseas wars and expansive government, while ignoring alternative voices is insane.

        1. The media has made nearly every libertarian idea considered beyond the pale for even consideration as a policy. A libertarian cheerleading the press is insane to put it mildly.

        2. Yes, and this should not be taken as advocacy for the press. It’s more that skepticism towards near all information is necessary. We live in a world where we never, NEVER, have all information we could need in scenarios. We aren’t God and thus, are limited in our knowledge.

          The Press often seems to act in poor faith, but even if they were trying to be completely neutral, completely objective, they would fall short by the fact that they are people too. Having some skepticism is always necessary.

          My fear, and I have seen this from people, is that doubt of the press will morph into outright rejection of everything they say. So if they say A, then !A is the truth. Which is not a helpful shift.

          People often wax nostalgic about a time when there was only one news anchor, and one news source. The world was objective because they presented it as objective. At the very least we are getting away from that nightmare.

          1. “My fear, and I have seen this from people, is that doubt of the press will morph into outright rejection of everything they say. So if they say A, then !A is the truth. Which is not a helpful shift.”

            Yeah, true

          2. People often wax nostalgic about a time when there was only one news anchor, and one news source. The world was objective because they presented it as objective. At the very least we are getting away from that nightmare.

            Agreed that we’re getting away from the perception of news being objective, disagreed that a larger portion of people at the time personally collected their own news objectively.

            1. That was terribly cryptic.

              It’s good people doubt the news, it’s bad that the news *and consumption of it* has proliferated to the point that it has despite the decrease in objectivity.

              1. Thanks for the clarification.

          3. Well said BUCS.

      2. I find people’s refusal to just buy whatever they’re being sold an encouraging sign.

        1. Agreed, my big fear, as I said above, is that it turns from skepticism to just reversal. So if the press says A, people assume !A.

      3. I’d be happy if they just admitted their bias. For instance, CNN calls themselves “facts first”. They are looking you in the eye while pissing on you and telling you that it is rain.

      4. “My only hope is that general hatred of the press can be turned into healthy skepticism…”

        You’re joking right?

        You really think people went from credulity straight to general hatred? And if they did, you think them rational enough to now moderate their hatred?

        No, this situation we find ourselves in developed gradually. We mostly passed healthy skepticism a long time ago. The Gell-Mann amnesia affect hardly being a new found concept.

        Healthy skepticism is what led to people noticing the arrogance of the media and the contempt expressed towards anyone who questioned them. A long train of further abuses is what has brought us to this moment.

        To be sure.

        1. Good point, Thomas

    3. “The American people hate the press–and they should. The elitist, conformist, propagandist press deserves every bit of our contempt.”

      They’re Enemies of the People.

      1. They’re the enemies of reason, logic, rationality, facts, and critical thinking. In that way, I suppose they are the enemies of the people.

  14. Did I miss Robby’s article about the dress having some responsibility?

      1. Monicas dress?

        He was too young but I’m sure if he was of age he’d be all over that

        1. Based on her recent pics Monica has definitely reached Hot Cougar status.

  15. Since the media is basically communist how can it not be the enemy of the people?

    1. Because you need to be better to socialists

      1. It’s been so long, can anyone even remember the last time a socialist did anything except pet dogs and feed the homeless? Has it ever happened? I gaze deep into the sands of the past, and yet I still find nothing… I can find nothing at all.

        1. There was supposedly some Socialists who did something bad somehere in South America recently, but I think they were being confused with free market capitalists.

          Poor Venezuelans. What hath Fred Hayek wrought?

  16. *pops popcorn*

    This comment thread should be entertaining.

  17. The insanity of a guy like Robby who covers colleges and ostensibly disagrees with the notion that “words are violence” then turning around and condemning rhetoric and equating it with actual violence is breathtaking.

    Reason has been profoundly bad on free speech for a few years now (including employing people who have openly justified the use of violence over words), but this is a dangerous game of essentially conceding the argument that in fact “words are violence”. That’s a dangerous slippery slope and another example that the brand of libertarianism endorsed by Reason is not very pro-liberty and not an alternative to anything really, if we’re being honest.

    1. If Trump has something to answer for for his words, then people who want to ban hate speech have a point.

      1. Well, there is a difference. The president’s words and actions can have a chilling effect on the exercise of free speech. That’s a reason for concern, though it’s not really having that effect here.

        1. The President has every right to call his opponents names and criticize people just so long as he doens’t threaten legal action against them.

        2. “The president’s words and actions can have a chilling effect on the exercise of free speech. That’s a reason for concern, though it’s not really having that effect here.”

          That is true. However, I don’t think any action has been taken against any media outlet. If anything, his attacks on them has boosted their sales

          1. Can’t argue with that. Publishers must love him.

        3. Can you name a single point in America history where someone became frightened yo speak their mind because of the president? Maybe the Japanese under FDR. Even with j Edgar Hoover you had people talking about communism openly.

          1. “Can you name a single point in America history where someone became frightened too speak their mind because of the president?”

            Woodrow Wilson. He had journalists, among others, imprisoned over their speech.

            But progressivism makes you sinless.

          2. I believe Adams jailed an editor because he didn’t like an editorial he wrote about the evils of the seditious acts.

            1. Also, the lefts newest historical hero, Hamilton, was the one who helped push the seditious acts that made criticizing the government illegal.

            2. Lincoln jailed journalists too,I read.

        4. The various witch hunts of people with WrongThink have a much broader chilling effect.

      2. Exactly. Robby is conceding that words cause violence. Which is not what someone who supports free speech would say.

        To be fair, though, Robby and his publication are not real big champions of anything beyond lax immigration and managed trade deals. So, I guess we shouldn’t expect him to take a pro-free speech position. His co-workers include two people who advocated for violence over words.

        1. And to be fair Robby is also dumb as a post. So it is entirely possible that he does not fully understand the logical implications of what he is saying here.

          1. But the Hair is so pretty.

            The Hair should ditch Robby and go solo.

  18. Crazy dude was convicted in 2002 for bomb threats. Blame trump.

    1. The entire reason it’s irresponsible for Trump to rattle off an enemies list every time he speaks to his moron followers is because there’s going to be a few crazy people among them.

      1. Is it irresponsible for Maxin Waters to say that no Republican should ever be allowed to so much as eat at a restaurant in peace again?

        1. Yep. And to get to the only point you care about: also politically stupid.

          1. So the bomber was reacting to Mad Max’s words not Trumps.

      2. The Left’s enemies list is everyone to the Right of Mao.

        “Bash the Fash”

  19. Isn’t this article just an attempt to leverage someone else’s terrorism?

    1. I’m having trouble seeing a meaningful difference between Robby Soave and Adam Lanza.

  20. I don’t care for Trump’s hyperbole or juvenile behavior, but it’s not like there’s an actual chilling effect here. He’s not actually doing much but mouthing off, which is what he does for a living. Trump wouldn’t be possible if so much of the media weren’t so incredibly biased.

    1. The entire mass media seems obsessed with insulting and showing their hatred for Trump. I think it is fair to say that his words have not had a chilling effect on speech.

      1. I must agree. In fact, I think they secretly like fighting with him.

        1. They love it. They can’t help themselves.

          1. Oh yeah.

            It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that, at this point, Twitter were entirely populated by Donald Trump, other self-absorbed celebrities, the media, and Russian bots.

            1. Im not on twatter. Nobody that I know are on there either. Including young family members.

              Its an echo chamber of people who like that formot and/or make a living off getting their reason article imfo from there.

        2. They’re both totally Tsun-tsun for each other.

        3. worst kept secret ever.

  21. That said, Trump’s statements about the media?CNN, in particular?are truly vile

    Accurate in sentiment and CNN has done nothing except double/triple/quadruple/quintuple down on lying and idiocy. (along with the rest of the msm)

    you shouldn’t blame Sen. Bernie Sanders for the shooting of Steve Scalise,

    Right.

    Trump is not directly responsible for those suspicious packages.

    Fascinating.

    1. Robby is really a mendacious little fucker isn’t he? He is the king of dishonest bullshit.

      1. Worst part is he thinks himself a subtle wordsmith.

    2. What? That’s a ridiculous statement. Trump’s not responsible at all, unless he ordered this done himself. I’m no fan of his, but that kind of statement is unworthy.

  22. “Obama said 57 states, thus proving his unfitness for office.”

    ?Every one here absolving Trump of all responsibility for targeting every one of these potential murder victims in his demagoguery

    1. You kicked the shit out of that straw man.

    2. If you want, I’ll say again that I’d prefer Trump wasn’t President.

      1. And I don’t want ebola in my breakfast. So brave.

        1. Kind of set me up for a lose-lose there, huh?

    3. Uh, kinda like the Russia investigation, targeting potential murder victims with non-lethal weapons itself borders on not even being a crime.

      Even if Trump said “Mail fake bombs to De Niro, Brennan, The Clintons, The Obamas, DWS…” the most you can do is say, “He can’t say that!”

    4. Who said Barry was unfit for office because of that? There was a myriad of other, actual reasons he was unfit. He made a gaffe. It was funny. So what? You mad that the Caramel Jesus is, in fact, human? Anyway, have fun burning that strawman.

    5. The bomber was reacting to the violence on the left.

    6. “Criticizing the Left means you’re Hitler”

  23. I dislike Reason’s recent use of other events to introduce their own agenda / claims on a mostly separate issue.
    Just a recent article using the news of the caravan was used by Reason to criticize Trump’s view of immigration that was unrelated to the actual caravan indent itself.

    Reason is beginning to stink of too mush politics in their articles as a motive for their pet issues.

    1. The caravan only exists to highlight opposition to Trumps views on immigration. So yea, I suppose any discussion of the caravan would rightly include criticism of Trump’s views on immigration. I mean, unless you were actually going to do some reporting on the nature and origins of the caravan and who is behind it. But let’s not get crazy here.

  24. What does anti press rhetoric have to do with mailing fake bombs to politicians? Nothing. Oh and by the way the entire country is anti press. Try again.

  25. Looking pretty desperate there robby

  26. Any accurate discussion of the American media is going to be truly vile, because the topic of the discussion is truly vile.

    Maybe the media should attempt to be less vile?

    1. And what with Trump being such a paragon of poise and etiquette.

      1. Order of events matters. Trump responds to being attacked.

        And he’s right.

        1. If he doesn’t want to be attacked maybe he shouldn’t be a ridiculous traitorous violence-inspiring demented clown.

          1. The price of being liked by the media is too high for any person with even a minimal degree of self respect to pay. For starters, he would have had to have run as a Democrat, or lost.

            1. He had plenty of unearned positive media attention before he decided to be in control of our government.

              What do you people want? For the media not to report on the things he says and does?

              1. It would be nice of they reported on everything he said and did instead of only segmenting his actions and words to push a preconceived narrative.

              2. “He had plenty of unearned positive media attention before he decided to be in control of our government”

                Which should indicate to any thinking individual how biased the press is.

              3. For the media to admit that they are propagandists.

          2. If Mad Maxine doesn’t want to be attacked maybe she shouldn’t be a ridiculous traitorous violence-inspiring demented clown.

          3. Traitorous? Going down the rabbit hole of stupidity again Tony.

            1. Has he ever left that particular rabbit hole?

    2. If birthers object to mainstream media performance, mainstream media should be applauded.

      Carry on, clingers. Enjoy the little remaining time of your last gasp of political relevance in an America whose progress is shaped by the liberal-libertarian mainstream.

  27. “…it’s quite another for the president to deliberately sow distrust of anyone trying to hold him accountable.”

    Not trying to take up for Trump here. But, I don’t see much difference between a lot of what Trump has said and some of Obama’s statements about Fox News. I agree “Enemy of the people” is way too far. But, I don’t think it’s that much worse than what Obama said in Rolling Stone in 2010.

    “President Obama said in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine that Fox News promoted a point of view that was “destructive” to the growth of the United States.”

    Trump seems to have taken everything bad in modern politics, washed it though his hyperbole filter, and spit it back out on Twitter. It’s almost like his Twitter feed is a rouge AI bot that’s picked up all the bad political habits and keeps amplifying them because they seem to be working.

    1. What Obama said was much worse. And he backed up those words by having his DOJ spy on and indict reporters that were hostile to him. And reason never said a peep about it.

      1. I’m pretty sure they have had articles about government spying on reporters before. Maybe not about James Rosen specifically. Not sure I’ve ever seen anything here condemning Obama’s attacks on Fox. But, I’d bet they have written about it before.

    2. “Not trying to take up for Trump here. ”

      That was the story of 2015.

      Everyone with a shred of honesty finding themselves forced to defend Trump against the despicable Press.

  28. I swear to fucking god half the comments here are about how Trump is a victim of the media.

    What the fuck people.

    1. They started it. Remember it was the CNN started accusing others of fake news.

    2. Stop being a whiny bitch about it Tony.

    3. If CNN weren’t so fucking biased, Trump wouldn’t have HAD to declare war on them.

      CNN didn’t USED to be that bad. Go watch clips from the 90s, or hell even the 2000s. They were getting bad by the 2000s, but NOTHING like they are now. And in the 90s they were pretty decent.

      There’s a REASON that tons of their top hosts have left to go be on Fox or other places… Even the Caspar Milquetoast conservatives were too much for them to stomach, so they either got fired, or probably encouraged to quit by the management. The same has indeed happened at Fox too, with a few of their more centrist people leaving for CNN/MSNBC etc… The thing about it all is, ALL the major media outlets EXCEPT Fox are the lefty ones.

      It’s BS, and it’s why they’ve brought this world of shit down on themselves. If they’d just let Lou Dobbs and other moderate light leaners do their thing, people probably wouldn’t be giving them so much flack!

  29. So I take it New Woke Reason isn’t going to feature that “Prefident Jefferson?” video anymore?

    You know, the one they run out every time someone complains about how bad political rhetoric has gotten nowadays?

    It’s amazing to see what positions and principles Trump has caused Reason to abandon in order that they may properly virtue-signal to the rest of the Media.

    1. If Trump declared the borders open, Reason would suddenly find the virtues of border security.

  30. Yes, and you’re an ass.

    That makes you responsible for all the bad things people do.

    Apologize!

  31. Alternative take – Cesar was triggered by several democrats (Clinton, Holder, Waters, Pelosi) endorsing political violence on the republicans and felt compelled to act. Remember, words are literally “violence” according to SJW. We can play this kind of game all day log, because the left insist on playing it.

    It’s not presidential for the POTUS to characterize the press as the enemy of the people. It wasn’t presidential for Barack Obama to belittle the disabled on late night TV or demand republicans to get back on the bus. But that’s for the sake of decorum. If saying things like “press is the enemy of the people” or “take back our country” is irresponsible, then 90% of the commenters here and even some Reason writers are irresponsible.

    Stossel produced a video here recently showing how CNN pretended the EPA was groveling to mining interest and allowing them to blow up wild life, and all the company did was asking for a permit. Reason was finally alarmed by social media removing police accountability accounts. The media and social media are dishonest. The fact that the president or a talk radio show host resorts to hyperbole to criticize them doesn’t change that fact.

    1. That is a valid take. But one that would never cross Robby’s tiny mind.

    2. Defending CNN on an grounds is preposterous. Robby is preposterous.

      CNN is pure garbage. They deserve all the mockery and scorn they receive.

      But Robby wants POTUS to play nice with them?

      GTFOH.

      1. Right-wing losers always resent their betters. Being disaffected, inconsequential, bitter malcontents in about all they have left in a society that has rejected their bigoted, uneducated, superstitious, backward, authoritarian ways.

        Carry on, clingers. So far as your betters permit, anyway.

      2. Exactly Rufus.

  32. What the fuck? If the press is shitty (and they often are), then I don’t want people to be quiet about just because they’re the press.

    Trump is shit, but so is the media. And I want them to all call each other out on it. Why the hell is Reason so determined to abandon rationality and principle just because every once it while it would require not hating everything about Trump? It’s shamefully revealing that your libertarianism is just because it’s punk, to a certain degree, and not because of anything higher.

    1. “Why the hell is Reason so determined to abandon rationality and principle just because every once it while it would require not hating everything about Trump?”

      The cocktail parties are to die for.

  33. What the fuck? If the press is shitty (and they often are), then I don’t want people to be quiet about just because they’re the press.

    Trump is shit, but so is the media. And I want them to all call each other out on it. Why the hell is Reason so determined to abandon rationality and principle just because every once it while it would require not hating everything about Trump? It’s shamefully revealing that your libertarianism is just because it’s punk, to a certain degree, and not because of anything higher.

  34. “Calling the press “the enemy of the people” is…” This is twisting the quote. Has Trump changed this statement? I’ve heard him state that “A few days ago, I called the fake news the enemy of the people because they have no sources ? they just make it up,” (quoted correctly in the linked NYT article)

    Since then I’ve heard that changed by opponents to some variant of “He’s attacking the press!!! He said the press is the enemy of the people!” Ironically reinforcing his point. I can’t forget the NYT banging the drum for the Iraq war and the WMD justification. That certainly wasn’t something good for America or the American people. I don’t know of any occurrence of him stating verbatim “The media is the enemy of the people” or “the press is the enemy of the people”.

    Plenty of objectionable things about the current administration, there’s no need to make things up.

  35. Is this list correct about the people who were sent bombish things?

    George Soros
    Hillary Clinton
    Barack Obama
    John O. Brennan
    Maxine Waters
    Eric H. Holder Jr.
    Joseph R. Biden Jr.
    Robert De Niro
    James R. Clapper Jr.
    Cory Booker
    Kamala Harris
    Tom Steyer

    If so, how does this have anything to do with the press or anything Trump has specifically said? To me, this looks like a list of people who’ve said exceptionally nasty things about Trump, though there are a lot of other commonalities between them as well.

    I wasn’t really following this story till Robby made it about Trump and the press, so it’s possible I’ve missed something.

    1. None of those people are connected with CNN. None of them are even reporters. But Robby thinks Trump saying mean things about the medis is partially to blame.

      Robby is a moron.

      1. Brennan does CNN.

        1. But he is a politcal figure who happens to be on TV occasionally.

        2. Brennan lost his clearance. Hahaha.

      2. Brennan does CNN.

    2. Possible that we all missed something. When probability is that small.

    3. The FBI is researching the stuff from the packages to see if they are bombs.

      If EOD guys cannot quickly determine if the junk is a bomb then its likely not a bomb. If they were explosive devices the government would be blabbing it on every propaganda outlet.

      Putting junk together to look like a bomb is not illegal.

      Its even funnier that the media cannot admit that this nutjob might be genius enought to send packages that scared Lefties but he never broke the law.

  36. Here’s Robby’s article, condensed for clarity:

    “Please hire me, CNN!”

    1. Yep.

      The day Scalise was shot the media knew the shooter was shouting “this is for healthcare” yet chose not to mention it.

      Meanwhile, every mention of this bomber includes descriptive mention of the bumper stickers on his van.

      And it’s all Trump’s fault.

    2. I thought every Reason article was “Please hire me, Salon!”

  37. “That said, Trump’s statements about the media?CNN, in particular?are truly vile, and he should tone them down considerably.”

    Peak Robby?

  38. Reason goin hard today. It’s like they’re painting the word libertarian on a pig and expecting people to believe it’s Kate Upton.

    1. Not enough slavish worship of politicians, right?

      1. Right

      2. Tony|10.26.18 @ 7:15PM|#
        “Not enough slavish worship of politicians, right?”

        Lefty shitbags focus on the person and the process; lefty shitbags also don’t like what Trump has done. And lefty shitbags claim a higher ‘sensibility’ in desiring the appearance of formality rather than results of actions.
        Tony, being a lefty shitbag, does all of the above. I’m sure Hitler’s Wannasee conference, conducted in such formality, would have met with shitbag’s approval.

  39. Trump makes the media feel bad.

    Look at what that did to Megan Kelly.

    1. Orange Man Bad

    2. Megyn?

      You can take the intolerant, stale-thinking, conservative bottle blonde out of Fox News, but you can’t take the Fox News out of the clueless right-wing mouthpiece.

      Carry on, clingers. Just don’t think you’re going to accomplish anything lasting as society passes you by.

  40. Trump hasn’t called the press “enemy of the people”. He may have said it about mainstream ‘journalism’ or some specific news media outlets such as CNN, but not about journalism in general.

    In fact, Trump has as much right under the 1st amendment to criticize media outlets as they do to criticize him.

    (I did not vote for Trump, btw)

  41. TO BE SURE.

    1. …Robby’s colors are red and gold, da?

  42. Trump is 100% correct about CNN and the rest of the Ministry of Propaganda. Their propaganda is blatantly dishonest and partisan. That doesn’t mean anyone should commit acts of violence against them.

  43. Good call robby, all animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

  44. Are we allowed to blame this on George W. Bush?

    1. W’s cone of responsibility ended when Obama’s term drew to a close. Everything after that is Trump’s fault.

      Except the economy. That’s Obama’s.

  45. Soave brings the suck. What’s wrong with you, boy?

  46. Fuck the media.

    1. No. Don’t. How else are we going to find out what DC is really up to?

      1. ^ lololololol THIS IS WHAT HE ACTUALLY BELIEVES!!!

        1. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH HE THINKS AHAHHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHA REALLY UP TO BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA SOOOO NAIVE AHAHAJAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH

          1. BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH REALLY UP TO AAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHAHAJ

            1. HOW ELSE ARE WE GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT DC IS REALLY UP TO HE SAYS!!

              AHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHH

  47. So Trump’s speech is responsible for for the bomber? If so then who is responsible for the shooting of the republican congressman in 2017 before Trump was so outspoken? Who was responsible for all the harassment of republicans when they were in public establishments such as restaurants? Who was responsible for the destructive riots in 2016 every time a conservative speaker tried to speak at many universities? If Trump is responsible for the bomber then the democrats and it is almost all of them have done the same thing and it promoted public violence. One example is where Obama said when going to a knife fight bring a gun. In other words hit them harder than they hit you.

    1. Haven’t you learned? Its OK for leftists to endorse violence because social justice

  48. “Trump’s Anti-Press Rhetoric Is Irresponsible, Even If the Bomber Is Just a Crazy Person”

    AFAICT, his “Anti-Press Rhetoric” is not “Rhetoric”, it is an honest statement of fact. The legacy “press” (print, broadcast, “e”-forms) hates Trump, has not yet come to understand that the hag they supported lost for the very good reason that she is a fucking pathetic excuse for humanity and deserved to lose.
    As it happens, Poole’s “A Think Tank for Liberty” just arrived, and it seems Welsh, et al ought to read it. Poole mentions learning from the Fabians, and being attacked for such “Gradualism” by the “Abolitionists”: “[S]elling out!” ‘member that one?
    Those of you suffering from TDS are more than welcome to focus on Trump’s boorish behavior, and thereby prove what fucking ignoramuses you are by ignoring his libertarian (yes, that) accomplishments, regardless of whether they are intended or by accident.
    Please explain to those of us who do not have TDS or another RBG on the SCOTUS, who are no longer bound to throw money at 3rd-world countries through that Paris fuck-up, how O-care is going to die on it’s own, since healthy young people are not required to support old farts like me, how the net is now not subject to price fixing, how we have DeVos doing her damnedest to reign-in Title 9 bullshit and help charter schools, how his boorishness is just SOOO uncomfortable to your refined sensibilities that you’re willing to ignore all that.
    Oh, and stuff it up your ass at the same time.

  49. ‘ That said, Trump’s statements about the media?CNN, in particular?are truly vile, and he should tone them down considerably. Calling the press “the enemy of the people” is something demagogues do. It’s one thing to encourage healthy skepticism of mainstream narratives; it’s quite another for the president to deliberately sow distrust of anyone trying to hold him accountable. ‘

    But the incessant comparisons of Trump to “demagogues”, “authoritarians”, and Hitler by the MSM are just fine and dandy.

    You deliberately sow distrust of anyone trying to hold the Press accountable. You *are* an Enemy of the People, Robby.

    As are most of the MSM. You’re Pravda, pushing the Deep State party line. That’s why you’re invited to the cool cocktail parties. Maybe it hurts your tender feelings to hear it from Orange Man, but don’t expect sympathy from the hoi polloi.

    The Deplorables didn’t *start* the politics of character assassination. The Right has foolishly granted the Left the benefit of the doubt in all things for a century, while the Left slurred and slandered the Right.

    The success of the Left’s tactics were always dependent for their success on the Right never fighting back.
    No more.

    1. Struggle all you like, wingnuts. America’s liberal-libertarian mainstream will continue to shape America against your stale, ignorant, bigoted, authoritarian preferences and will continue to ignore your whining about all of this damned progress, tolerance, science, liberty, reason, and education..

      1. Well, their best efforts couldn’t even win an election against an orange clown so your prognostication is a tad optimistic.

        Add in the continuous dismantling of their meager policy implementations that Trump is doing and they look like they aren’t going to have a chance to do anything other than shoot up some more baseball games.

      2. So much projection, Resistance boy.

        RBG just aint looking too hearty these days, is she?

        The 6 man constitutionalist Supreme Court will be a good time.

        Can’t wait for the rulings to come rolling off the conveyor belt. The impotent shrieks of the Left will be delicious!

        Keep clinging to your dreams of power. Oh the times, they are a changin … back!

  50. But James Hodgkinson, who shot Steve Scalise and others at a Congressional baseball game practice in Alexandria, was just a crazy person, and not motivated by any political rhetoric…at least according to Democrats.

  51. Is Trump a good president?

  52. “That said, Trump’s statements about the media?CNN, in particular?are truly vile, and he should tone them down considerably. Calling the press “the enemy of the people””

    Are you fucking serious???

    How is it “vile” to call out media companies that blatantly lie, distort, and basically outright commit 100% to a propaganda campaign against a certain political party?

    That is NOT the free press at work… That is a controlled press. The fact that it isn’t the Ministry Of Propaganda calling the shots doesn’t REALLY make it appreciably better.

    Reason, as progged out as it has become, and as underhanded in terms of misquoting, only telling one side of a story, etc, is still semi sane on at least some issues. But anybody who gets all their info from CNN is getting literally nothing but propaganda. All the do is misquote, quote out of context, outright lie often, then trot out “experts” that tell you the ONLY rational interpretation of XYZ situation is Trump is LITERALLY HITLER.

    It’s a sad, terrifying joke. And anybody who doesn’t have their head up their ass can see it for the horrible thing that it is. As it stands now the media IS the enemy of the people, insofar as they’re relentlessly pushing left wing ideology and lies about anybody who disagrees with it. If you REALLY can’t see that Robby, then you’re a moron.

  53. Also, think about this folks:

    The entire media, news, Hollywood, other culture creation things, etc… They’re ALL completely progged out. They push a narrative. They outright lie all the time, and when they don’t do that they distort the shit out of reality through selective editing, selective use of facts, etc.

    IMAGINE a media that was even just 50/50, not even right biased. AKA fair and objective.

    If 90% of the media shilling for the left doesn’t even typically net the Dems control of half the offices in the country, keeping in mind they don’t got shit for governorship’s, state houses/senates, local, etc… How fucking TOAST do you think the Democrats would be without the media shilling for them?

    They’d be SO DONE it would be ridiculous. And they know it. That is a MAJOR part of why they’ve freaked out over him calling out the media more than things that should be WAY more substantial.

    Imagine the Dems getting so trounced that the Republicans end up with 70-80% of government positions almost overnight, and then you know why they freak out about his war with the fake media so much. Some other lefties would rise up no doubt, or maybe even a sane centrist party, but until a coherent opposition came up, the Rs would OWN everything.

    And they can’t have THAT happening right? So they freak about him calling them on their shit.

  54. The Main Stream Media turn up the heat to a boil and blames President Trump and his supporters for complaining, they’ve called Americans racists, Nazis, murderers, dregs and terrorists for owning firearms yet they stay silent when Republicans are attacked, censored, banned and deleted.

    Yet you think President Trump is wrong to retaliate by calling out their calumny – their outrageous and sometimes unprintable insults – and accurately labelling the MSM as the enemy of the people. Ridiculous, it’s the MSM and your antipathy to constitutionally elected President Trump that’s really the cause of the problem!

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