Elizabeth Warren's Terrible Policy Views Are More Disqualifying Than Her Dubious Ancestry Claims

A DNA test says the senator from Massachusetts is maybe, slightly, Native American. Who cares?

Ron Sachs/SIPA/Newscom

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.) has released the result of a DNA test proving that she does indeed possess Native American ancestry—way, way, way back.

The results are vague enough that everyone can go on believing their preferred narrative (choose "Fauxcohantas exposed, at last!" or "Take that, Drumpf!" as suits you). According to The Boston Globe, Warren's family tree probably includes a Native American ancestor six to 10 generations ago. A sixth-generation ancestor would make her 1/32 Native American. A tenth-generation ancestor would mean that Warren is only .097 percent Native American. (The Globe initially miscalculated this, due to a math error.) In this latter case, Warren wouldn't be any more of a Native American than the average U.S. citizen. But even in the more favorable scenario, 1/32 is generally not good enough to establish tribal membership.

Liberals have been hailing this as a #Resistance victory—Donald Trump has constantly belittled Warren for falsely claiming Native American blood—while conservatives are pouncing on the weakness of The Globe's claim. I say this is all a distraction from the real issue: Warren's actual public policy views, which are quite bad.

We can't say for sure that Warren is a faux-Indian, but we can say for sure that she is a faux-populist. Despite railing against big business, Warren failed to take a stance against the cronyist Export-Import Bank, a program that essentially provides welfare for Wall Street.

Warren had no interest in killing a government handout to big corporations, but she does enjoy going after the corporations themselves. The senator recently unveiled a truly awful plan that would force businesses to massively reorganize, ostensibly to give the public a stakeholder interest in large firms. The plan could cripple American innovation. The Niskanen Center's Samuel Hammond calls it "bad economics and worse business ethics."

I'm not convinced that Warren actually used her alleged Native American ancestry to advance her career at Harvard, though it does look like the administration was keen to tout her as a diversity hire after the fact. In any case, Elizabeth Warren's most elaborate deception is not her attempt to portray herself as a Native American. It's her attempt to portray herself as a trustworthy steward of the economy. That is what should disqualify her from the presidency.

Comments

[Sevo]

"We can't say for sure that Warren is a faux-Indian,"

Didn't even have to look at the by-line...

[Just Say'n]

http://www.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/s.....1938887680

[Juice]

Technically, she was born in America.

[Cathy L]

Why? Would someone else be able to say for sure?

[Just Say'n]

A DNA test that said she was a rounding error Native American, maybe?

[Just Say'n]

For context, 1/1,024th Native American is less Native American ancestory than the average white person in the US. So Warren is exceptionally white

[Ordinary Person]

Why are you deceptively trying to pass off the low estimate as "the" estimate?

[Just Say'n]

OK. At best she could be at best 1/64th Native American. Which would put her just above the range of the average white person in the US. Although, her relatives dispute that there was ever talk about recent Native American ancestors and her racial awakening in the mid-1980's when she changed her racial categorization from 'white' to 'Native American' conveniently coincided with teaching career. But, sure, I'm being "deceptive"

[Just Say'n]

As a reference, if Warren was in fact 1/64th Native American that would mean that her Native American relative was in fact alive around the time of Pocahontas.

[Ordinary Person]

You just don't understand the way DNA is inherited. The grandmother could have had a shitload of NA DNA and she may not have passed alot of it on to her daughter and granddaughter.

[Just Say'n]

"The grandmother could have had a shitload of NA DNA and she may not have passed alot of it on to her daughter and granddaughter."

Yup. That makes a lot of sense.

[Quadmax]

Sorry, Ordinary, it's you that don't understand how DNA is inherited. Exactly 1/2 of a person's DNA comes from their mother and the other half from their father, there's no partial passing of genetic material to one's offspring.

[Ordinary Person]

No Quadmax and Just sayin, it's ya'll who fail to grasp. Imagine if your dad had 50% NA DNA and the other 50% Euro DNA. So you get 50% of DNA from Dad but how much of that 50% is NA and how much is Euro. Your Dad could pass you mostly the Euro DNA and less of the NA DNA. And that process could repeat itself for your child. Your child could not have any of the NA DNA even though his grandfather had 50%.

[Johnimo]

That is not the way it works ... (period. period. period.)

[Brett Bellmore]

It isn't like it mixes like an ideal fluid. It's more like you have a bunch of marbles, and get a random 50% of them from each parent.

So, yeah, she could have had a NA grandmother and really extreme luck. Or no NA ancestor at all, and extreme luck.

[Bubba Jones]

It is just as likely she got a larger dose of dna than she might have expected.

[Ordinary Person]

The grandmother had enough NA DNA for people to notice she wasn't white. It was enough of the kind of DNA that marked you as different. That's just as important as the amount of DNA.

[JFree]

The grandmother had enough NA DNA for people to notice she wasn't white. It was enough of the kind of DNA that marked you as different. That's just as important as the amount of DNA.

Her story is that her mother and father 'had to elope' because her mother 'looked NA' and her father's parents were racist. ALL of which is apparently false. Her parents got married not eloped. If there was any opposition at the time from his parents, it was because they thought he would drop out of college - which he did. And while her mother has dark hair, that is a so what. More interestingly, in the Oklahoma of that time, her maternal family were Boomers not Sooners. Hence illegals if white. So no surprise, you get family stories that they are not illegal whites but legal unenrolled Indians.

She OTOH took that sort of stuff - AS AN ADULT - who had never experienced the slightest sort of anything - in order to claim a bogus solidarity with an ethnicity - purely on the basis of that bogus ethnicity. She is purely a self-serving fraud - and her 1/1000 Pocahantas pride is gonna blow up in her face.

[Agammamon]

You just don't understand the way DNA is inherited. The grandmother could have had a shitload of NA DNA and she may not have passed alot of it on to her daughter and granddaughter.

That's not how DNA works.

Unless you're Jewish.

[Last of the Shitlords]

"You just don't understand the way DNA is inherited. The grandmother could have had a shitload of NA DNA and she may not have passed alot of it on to her daughter and granddaughter."

Seriously?

This does not work the way you think it does.

[ThomasD]

"You just don't understand the way DNA is inherited."

Holy shit, neither do you. It's not remotely as random as your ignorance leads you to believe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ploidy

[ThomasD]

And before you dig your grave any deeper, you also need to consider that these sorts of ancestry tests (that's what they are - comparative tests of inheritance, because there is no genetic basis for race) involve comparing multiple alleles across multiple chromosomes in order to address the issues of incomplete inheritance.

[Rufus The Monocled]

'When I was a kid the other Injuns always gave me 1/64th of the corn on the cob! Now I know why!"

[TuIpa]

"Why are you deceptively trying to pass off the low estimate as "the" estimate?"

Why are you deceptively trying to say he did that?

[posmoo]

She wasn't even tested against Cherokee, she was tested against Mexican, Chilean, and Guatamalan or some such.

So all it proves is she might be 1/1000th Chilean.

That grasping old cunt is whiter than snow.

[Ordinary Person]

The Cherokee thing probably comes from the grandmother.

[Agammamon]

From *the* grandmother? Are you saying she only had one? And wouldn't that make her closer to 1/8th? Unless said grandmother was also mixed race. So maybe one of her grandmother's grandmothers might have been a Native American?

If that were that case I would say, conclusively, that that does not make Warren a Native American.

[Last of the Shitlords]

That bitch probably has more Cherokee from driving one than inheriting it.

[posmoo]

She wasn't even tested against Cherokee, she was tested against Mexican, Chilean, and Guatamalan or some such.

So all it proves is she might be 1/1000th Chilean.

That grasping old cunt is whiter than snow.

[posmoo]

She wasn't even tested against Cherokee, she was tested against Mexican, Chilean, and Guatamalan or some such.

So all it proves is she might be 1/1000th Chilean.

That grasping old cunt is whiter than snow.

[vek]

Ugh. To the people above, it is a well known fact that people CAN and DO inherit different parts of their genes in somewhat random ways.

It does NOT always perfectly split as it goes down the line. You can take a 100% German and a 100% Native American, and their kids will always end up 50/50 in DNA tests, being 50% from each purebred parent and all... But the kids of their kids can start diverging due to randomness.

One of their grandkids might come out the "perfect" 25% of each... But one might also come out 30% if they happened by dumb luck to inherit slightly more genes that are from the NA lineage.

This is a KNOWN thing. Commercial testing companies like 23 and Me even talk about this variance on their website, and explain how full siblings can have slightly differing results because of this.

[JesseAz]

No matter how you slice it, you can't claim shit if at most you're 1/64th Peruvian.

[mamabug]

I assume that is where the range variation comes in 6-to-10 generations is a much larger variance than it sounds given that each generation (barring in-breeding, which is actually quite rare in the US since, historically, we have a high mobility population and repeated influxes of DNA from non-overlapping geographic regions) is exponentially larger than the last.

6 to 10 means the difference between inheriting a maximum amount of DNA from the hypothetically Native American or South American ancestor and the minimum could involve up to 256 additional people that may or may not have been full-blooded.

tl;dr - the only people whiter than her have pure European ancestry.

[eyesay]

Just Say'n: What average, the mean or the median, and do you understand the difference between the two? I would guess that the median Native American ancestry among "white" Americans is zero, because I would guess that over half of "white" Americans have zero native American ancestry.

[vek]

IIRC that's actually not true. IIRC a majority of white Americans have very tiny percentages, a-la like what Warren has.

I know for a fact BOTH sides of my family have Native blood, and fully 50% of my great grandparents were fresh off the boat from Germany. Yet they ended up getting native cut in on both sides within 1 generation of landing here on one side, and 2 generations on the other. I may yet have native from more than the sources I even know for sure too.

So, nowadays a HUGE percentage of whites have juuust a touch, even if it's not enough to actually matter.

Also depends on if you wanna count Hispanics as white, since nearly 100% of them have a far larger chunk native blood than Anglo-Germanic Americans. If so I'm positive that would push it well over the 50% mark.

[Sevo]

Cathy L|10.15.18 @ 3:42PM|#
"Why? Would someone else be able to say for sure?"

Given that you're an asshole, it's no great surprise you'd miss the point to prove what an asshole you are once more.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Whatever keeps her out of the big teepee at 1600 PA Ave.

[loveconstitution1789]

AmerIndian laughs

[Last of the Shitlords]

I would look at Fauxcahontas' taxes. I hear she take standard deduction to save big heap wampum. Even though she want big tax increase on the white man.

[Woody Chip Hurrrrr?]

If her ancestry claims weren't important, what's it doing here?

[loveconstitution1789]

Enquiring minds want to know?

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

Something about the bullshittery of racial preference on hiring decisions? I dunno. I just read the comments

[Cynical Asshole]

A lot of people partisan cock-gobblers are apparently trying to make a big deal out of whether and how much Native American ancestry she does or doesn't have instead of focusing on the real issue (shocking, I know), which is how much she sucks.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland]

The folks biting at Sen. Warren's ankles are the same yahoos who chanted "lock her up" and were enthusiastic birthers. The lessers of American society.

[TuIpa]

No one cares about your after hours activities.

[JesseAz]

Looking at idiots complain about the lock her up chants is highly amusing when they are the same ones cheering on the Mueller investigation and applauding the new York AG office.

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

Yeah! Dumb people are subhuman! They don't deserve to participate in the same society as enlightened beings like Arthur Kirkland and me!

[Juvenal]

No, Rev., the real lessers of American Society are the sock puppets like yourself covering for duplicitous behavior like that Sen. Warren, and others who keep mouthing lies they know to be lies. This has nothing with the "Whataboutism" of birthers or "lock her up" but about lying for personal gain (a fancy job at Harvard in Warren's case). You can parse and twist the facts, but lame sophistry only goes so far. She lied. Lessers, indeed.

[JesseAz]

I'm confused. After 2 years of trump being a compulsive liar... We don't care about lying anymore if it's a democrat?

Yes her policies suck. And her character sucks too, especially in light of her quadripling down on this controversy instead of admitting her mistake or saying her family lore could be wrong.

[BigT]

"A lot of people partisan cock-gobblers are apparently trying to make a big deal out of whether and how much Native American ancestry she does or doesn't have instead of focusing on the real issue (shocking, I know), which is how much she sucks."

Are you suggesting that DNA was in her mouth, but not part of her cheek?

[NoVaNick]

cock-gobbling certainly can put extra DNA in one's mouth

[loki]

So 1/64 of native Americans have had their dna in her mouth?

[Just Say'n]

Something tells me that if Warren was not the darling of the woke Left, Soave would make more hay out of a white woman masquerading as a minority for job advancement.

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

She's trans-racial, shitlord!

[Cy]

God I love this place.

[Stephen Lathrop]

Which never happened. Why does that BS get repeated so often on right-wing sites?

[TuIpa]

Your link is broken.

[JesseAz]

Yes it did happen. Warren was twice quoted by the Harvard administration as being the first tenured womab if color. You can find this in their newspaper archives at Harvard. Denying it now doesn't change that she was claimed as a native American. Looking at her place of employment bprior to Harvard it was Warren who changed her ethnicity to non white. The federalist has a good write-up to these instances with links to primary sources if you are actually intellectually curious.

[Stephen Lathrop]

Jesse, of course I'm curious. Show me the links.

Meantime, your first 4 sentences are nonsense, at least if you offer them as proof Warren somehow leveraged an ethnicity claim for career advancement. Harvard wanted to brag about diversity. It sent around a form to current faculty, including Warren. Based on whatever personal understanding she then had of her own ethnicity, Warren filled out the form. Only free-floating hatred for Warren, guided by nothing, can turn that sequence into some kind of colorable accusation.

I doubt you have any hint what Warren's policies have been. I have never seen any sign that you exercise the kind of intellectual curiosity you urge me to practice. I'm here commenting on a website where most others disagree vehemently with what I have to say. I do that because for me it would be hopelessly boring to waste time among a bunch of like-minded folks, who like commenters everywhere, are mostly dimwits. Like it or not, that's what the web serves up. You can make it more interesting. Get out of your own rut, and look for a bit of substance from opponents. But it's hard to find.

You're just poking around among like-minded self-congratulators?it's a crowd that seems to prize tribalism, prize ideology, prize theory, and disparage facts. But most of all, it prizes mindless mutual support. I don't see how that puts you in a place to example intellectual curiosity to anyone.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Based on whatever personal understanding she then had of her own ethnicity, Warren filled out the form.

Just because my crazy lesbian aunt says we're part Apache and part Huron doesn't make it so.

[Texasmotiv]

Woah woah woah let's hit the brakes here. Are you insisting that a libertarian would have no reason to dislike Elizabeth Warren?

[Stephen Lathrop]

Not at all. In another comment I said I expect libertarians won't like her. She's way too much into government action and regulations to suit libertarian tastes. On the other hand, any libertarians who say they don't like her because she is a socialist, or communist, don't know what they are talking about. Warren is a pro-capitalist, pro-regulation, economic populist in the general mode of FDR.

[ace_m82]

So, she's a fascist, not a communist? BTW, fascists are socialists!

[JesseAz]

Hey Stephen, I told you where to find the link fucktard. If you were curious you would go to the emerald the.com and look for the article from yesterday. Instead you choose ignorance as you always do. You're an uncurious idiot

[JesseAz]

Thefederalist.com. Weird autocorrect.

[posmoo]

I'm pretty sure if she listed her ethnicity as white when she applied to Harvard we'd have that document.

[Just Say'n]

Conveniently, she never identified as Native American until she she started teaching at colleges

[Dont Tread On Womyn]

Stephen Lathrop-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Y6JhOVYqw

Does Trevor Noah count as BS from right-wing sites ?

lol when an unfunny partisan schmuck who foams at the mouth over Trump is calling out one of his own for exactly what you say did not happen, you might want to stop to take a moment and reflect. 🙂

https://bit.ly/2yDoW7S

here's an article (Washington Times) describing the clip if you don't feel like sitting through mindless drivel.

[Stephen Lathrop]

Your link doesn't work.

And who is Trevor Noah?

And why should I pay attention to someone you call a partisan schmuck?

[JesseAz]

God you're a fucking idiot.

[Dont Tread On Womyn]

That's strange, I just tested both the links and they worked fine for me.

At any rate, I don't come to this website to have never ending disagreements (and won't participate in them), I come here because there are insightful people here willing to have serious conversations. If you really believe in what you're saying, try harder not to seem like someone unwilling to actually have an actual discussion.

[Dont Tread On Womyn]

That's strange, I tested both of the links and they worked fine for me.

I don't come to this website to have never-ending disagreements (and won't participate in them), I come here because there are insightful people willing to serious conversations, regardless if they agree or disagree. If you really believe in what you're saying, it might be better to actually engage and work through your own viewpoints, rather than whatever it is that you're currently doing.

[Dont Tread On Womyn]

ugh why.

[Stephen Lathrop]

Dont Tread On Womyn, I'm not much into the "viewpoints" most commenters have offered on this thread. Experience has taught me I don't have time to waste chasing "facts," which people assume they can deduce by "reasoning" from axioms and prejudices. At the first sign of a link to something Warren herself said to back any policy that justifies criticism she's getting, I'll be right on it.

This time, I mostly don't have viewpoints of my own either. I know a few facts about policies Warren has advocated. Those have interested me. But no one is discussing them here.

I'm uninterested in the whole Indian ancestry thing, for two reasons: 1) Her handling of it just confirms my previous impression that Warren isn't a skilled politician, and for that reason, if for no other, she should never be President; 2) The hostility the Indian thing generates is founded on a combination of stupidity, racism, and, most of all, hostility to the notions of affirmative action and diversity. I'm not a fan of those. I criticize them. But given that Warren wasn't really trying to leverage either idea to her own advantage, the howling about it here is disingenuous at best?not worth bothering with. I'm not as convinced as you are that our counter-parties are interested in a serious conversation on this issue.

[ThomasD]

Rico says you need to stop pouncing. Conservative pouncing, that is. Because that's the only sort of pouncing that exists in his world. You pounce and it marks you as a conservative. So everyone stop pouncing. Because that means you are a conservative.

Flouncing is ok with Rico, so everyone flounce away. That won't mark you as conservative. Probably not anywhere, but especially not in Rico land.That

Ridicule meanwhile, remains acceptable, so long as it's not pouncey.

[Microaggressor]

It's her attempt to portray herself as a trustworthy steward of the economy. That is what should disqualify her from the presidency.

It would be nice if we could live up to such high-minded ideals. But that's not what wins elections.

[Longtobefree]

Interesting that a comparison to South American non-"native American" DNA is proof one way or the other.
Show me the family tree, fully documented.

By the way, does any tribe actually carry her on the tribal rolls?

[loveconstitution1789]

If she was, it would be front page on every media outlet.

[Cathy L]

The comparison was to Mexican Indigenous and Canadian First Nations DNA, not non-native South American samples.

Warren has never even claimed to be a member of a tribe.

[loveconstitution1789]

Bullshit. The report says Mexican, Peruvian, and Columbian DNA samples.

[Just Say'n]

Warren claimed to be "Cherokee" in "Pow Wow Chow" (which is an actual cookbook that she contributed to about Native American cooking). She has also claimed that her mother and father had to elope because her mother's family was Cherokee.

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

She plagiarized the recipe from a NYT article, IIRC

[Just Say'n]

She claimed it came from the Chief Hiawatha Gazette. And later she contradicted herself by claiming that the recipe was passed down to her via smoke signals.

This may be all a lie, but it's as truthful as her being Native American

[Sevo]

Cathy L|10.15.18 @ 3:44PM|#
"Warren has never even claimed to be a member of a tribe."

An asshole AND a liar!

[TuIpa]

"The comparison was to Mexican Indigenous and Canadian First Nations DNA, not non-native South American samples"

No one is surprised at the absence of proof for this. It's ypur MO.

Someone says something you don't like and you storm in to bawl at them and screech your unsupported opinion then slink away when you realize you were caught.

You know you have no credibility. You know no one just beloeves you, and that an actual link that supports what you're saying is the only way you'll be believed.

[JesseAz]

Cathy, are you a liar or just fucking stupid? The report doesn't mention Canadian tribes.

[damikesc]

By the way, does any tribe actually carry her on the tribal rolls?

The Cherokee, who she claims to be, quite publicly do not.

[Mickey Rat]

So she can claim to be Native American under the one drop rule.

I am not sure she legally claim to a member of any tribe with such a scant ancestry, though. Letting Harvard tout her as a diversity hire may be considered lying by omission.

[Eddy]

But it got Prof. Bell to stop his boycott, didn't it?

[Mickey Rat]

It is evidence of bad character and the absurdity of hiring on basis of supposed racial identity as a stand in for diversity.

[loveconstitution1789]

Lefty non-white people should take this trickery from their leaders and run with it.

Elizabeth Warren took an affirmative action college seat from a real non-white person.

[Stephen Lathrop]

Did not happen.

[Just Say'n]

Harvard used Elizabeth Warren as an example of diversity on their teaching faculty by listing her as a "person of color". There is a very strong possibility that she did take a job that otherwise would have been afforded to a non-white person

[Stephen Lathrop]

Yeah, Just Say'n, except that the Harvard form Warren checked came to her long after she got her professorship. That was all covered in the very first national news story that came out on the subject. Warren had been long-since employed at Harvard, so on what basis this "very strong possibility" it got her the job?

You are behaving like a sucker, swallowing propaganda from folks who hate Warren for her policies. As I mentioned, those are polices that a lot of ordinary folks would back, if they ever heard them from Warren.

I'm not saying libertarians would back them. Most wouldn't. But that's an entirely different matter.

[BigT]

You're missing the "We already got Warren, why do we need another Indian ( or other minority) here?"

To the extent her presence diminished the future hiring of a minority she took a place of a minority.

[Stephen Lathrop]

BigT, that seems an uninformed assumption. I would bet serious money Harvard thinks it needs every native American it can get.

[TuIpa]

Still no link steevy.

[JesseAz]

Stephen, you're ignorant on this matter.

[Stephen Lathrop]

You're wrong there Jessie. I started following Warren at least 2 years before she was being mentioned as a possible political figure by anyone. I had seen her lecture. At first I noted her policies, and mentioned her on the VC as a potential political phenomenon shortly afterward. I'll bet I was the first person to discuss her in a political context on that blog, and probably among the first anywhere. So I started reading everything about her as it showed up. I started out as a fan.

Later, I got to watch her political performance in the Scott Brown race, and decided she didn't have the temperament for big-time politics. In Massachusetts it was a can't lose race that she managed to put in jeopardy anyway, although she did win it. I haven't seen sign of political improvement since. And now I think she is too old besides.

The one big advantage Warren does have is that she is not in the least beholding to the Hillary wing of the party. If the Ds could find someone better at politics, and younger, and similarly economically populist, that's what I would prefer to Warren. I doubt they will find that, or want it, and I fear the next Democratic candidate will be some hopeless retread, like Biden or Kerry?both even older than Warren, and more out of it.

[Social Justice is neither]

by the Lizzie Warren standard I should claim to be African American in everything with a racial handout attached. Science says it's true if we just go back far enough.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland]

Elizabeth Warren took an affirmative action college seat from a real non-white person.

That is the argument advanced by the people who were birthers. The gullible, half-educated, bigoted, unskilled, superstitious, can't-keep-up element of American society.

[Just Say'n]

There is a better probability suggesting that Warren's convenient racial awakening in the late 80's (whereby she changed her racial classification from "white" to "Native American") deprived an actual minority from the job that she took than the probability that Warren is anything more than a white woman

[TuIpa]

The Rev is fine with keeping actual minorities down, he just said so.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Oh come now. It's not like a Native has a high enough IQ to do Warren's job. She HAD to do it. For the minorities.

And good of the children.

[Johnimo]

Oh, my Gawd. I love your sense of humor.

[Stephen Lathrop]

Of all the potential D candidates, expect Warren to be the one least likely to stress minority stuff. It's the Democratic Party, so she will probably get cornered into some of that. Her own inclination will be to look for economic policies which benefit alike all people of ordinary means, regardless of race and ethnicity.

Plus which, nationalizing business is no part of Warren's policies. That's just false. For a discussion, Google:

Kevin Williamson's unhinged attack on Elizabeth Warren's corporate accountability bill, explained

[D-Pizzle]

The federal charter for large businesses would have the following stipulations:
?Company directors would be explicitly instructed to consider the interests of all relevant stakeholders ? shareholders, but also customers, employees, and the communities in which the company operates ? when making decisions.
?40 percent of the directors would be elected by the company's workforce, with the other 60 percent elected by shareholders.
?Corporate executives would be required to hold on to shares of stock granted to them for at least five years after they were received and at least three years after a share buyback.
?Corporate political activity would require the specific authorization of both 75 percent of shareholders and 75 percent of board members.

In other words, under this plan, no businesses would be nationalized. Williamson alleges that under this bill, "the federal government would then dictate to these businesses the composition of their boards, the details of internal corporate governance, compensation practices, personnel policies, and much more."

The above is from the Vox (lol) article that comes up first. Let's pick it apart, shall we.

The federal govt. would dictate the composition of their boards - See bullet point #2.
...The details of corporate governance - See bullet point #1.
...Compensation practices - See bullet point #3.
...Personnel practices - Again, see bullet point #1.
...And much more - Yet again, bullet point #1.

[Stephen Lathrop]

Yup. It's a system just as capitalist as we have now, but with corporate governance adjusted to encompass a broader range of interests. There is zero socialism in it. No government ownership of the means of production at all.

Against that, aside from questions of practical implementation, the argument seems to be that you prefer corporate charters which empower corporate managers ahead of even corporate owners?pretty much the system the nation uses now, to the detriment of almost everyone but the managers.

You also chose not to mention (from the link) the discussion of other nations (Germany, Denmark, for instance) where similar systems of corporate governance have long been in place, with more successful results than out system has achieved?with success measured in terms of stuff such as preservation of industrial base, and less unequal income distribution.

So I'm mystified by your suggestion that you have picked apart Warren's proposal. All your "see bullet point" stuff seems empty of any actual critical content. Maybe you need to say more.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

""Yup. It's a system just as capitalist as we have now, but with corporate governance adjusted to encompass a broader range of interests""

The latter usurps the first.

[Naaman Brown]

Justin Wingerter, "Cherokee Nation slams Elizabeth Warren's DNA test as 'inappropriate and wrong'", The Oklahoman, 15 Oct 2018.

[Last of the Shitlords]

"The gullible, half-educated, bigoted, unskilled, superstitious, can't-keep-up element of American society."

Yeah, democrats.

[loveconstitution1789]

Her report does not tie her to any AmerIndian tribes.

[Mickey Rat]

I was not saying it did. Just that she could not meet the minimum legal qualifications to be considered a member of an Indian nation with a 1/512th blood connection to any one of them.

[loveconstitution1789]

I was just adding to what you said.

[Mickey Rat]

Oh, okay.

[loveconstitution1789]

I have been laughing all day about Warren's DNA results, so my sarcasto and addition-to meters are out of calibration.

[SIV]

Actually, you could technically be zero native American genetically and be an enrolled member of a federally recognized tribe. We have immigrants who are near 100% native American wo can not be. Mayans and Aztecs are from the wrong side of the border.

[Mickey Rat]

Was Warren claiming her Amerind ancestry was from outside the current US borders

I think you are kind of missing my point. How little ancestry in a group allows one to claim any legal privileges associated with that group?

[SIV]

It's not the "ancestry" that counts, It is strictly recognition by the group.

[JesseAz]

Like Shaun King?

[ThomasD]

I've always like that term Amerindian. It avoids the whole problem of 'native' American being anyone born here, while keeping the Indian term. A term which many tribes embrace.

The funny part is they were given the name 'Indian' by an Italian, who thought he was someplace he wasn't. And 'amer' in Italian means bitter.

Which, if you know anything about Indian humor, really works.

[dave b.]

The one drop rule only applies to blacks

[JesseAz]

The no drop rule applies to some democrats, see Shaun King or dozeal

[dave b.]

I don't know much about Shaun King but Dolezal plays both sides of the fence like Warren. She sued Howard University for discrimination because she was white

[Dan S.]

Didn't she say she wasn't even aware of being listed as Native American in a Harvard directory until after she left Harvard? As I understand it, she says she once checked a box indicating that she had Native American ancestry, because she had always been told that she did. The administration at Harvard then used that info to tout her as a "diversity hire" and list her as NA in campus directories that no one paid attention to. Believable? Maybe. Important now? No.

[Stephen Lathrop]

Dan S., extremely important now. Politically important. The folks playing this up support Trump, the most flagrant liar in the history of American politics. His supporters need to turn that around, somehow, to get emotional cover for ignoring what they can't afford to admit outright. No matter how stupid and disproportionate castigating Warren is, it let's them say, "See, she's a liar too."

It's something to hang their hats on, to repeat to each other, and to feel self-righteous about. Without stuff like that, the whole Trump movement would fall apart, like belief in the Emperor's new clothes. They all know that, so they don't give a damn about any facts behind the charges against Warren, let alone about any importance to the charges?stuff which only fools would bother with otherwise.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

""the most flagrant liar in the history of American politics""

The below is an example of the above.

"It's something to hang their hats on, to repeat to each other, and to feel self-righteous about."

People that claim that about Trump don't know enough about lies and politicians historically to make that call.

I dare say Hillary is one of the most flagrant liars in American politics I've seen in my lifetime. She would lie to you about a cough, bring on a fake accent to appease voters, pretend to be sympatric to the #metoo then defend Bill's cheating with an intern under his authority as not an abuse of power.

[loveconstitution1789]

Elizabeth Warren's Terrible Policy Views Are More Disqualifying Than Her Dubious Ancestry Claims

BOTH are reasons that she is a horrible person.

She's a Socialist and a liar that is trying to equate South American heritage of less than 1% to being an AmerIndian.

[Cathy L]

South American heritage of less than 1%

Oh look, the right-wingers are plugged into the right-wing talking points, what a shock.

[loveconstitution1789]

I finally looked at the report after laughing all morning.

You Lefties are working overtime today peddling the narrative that her report says other than what it says.

[Just Say'n]

Judging by your response, I take it that the prog talking point is to just ignore the fact that your champion is as white as Wonder Bread and masqueraded as a minority for job advancement

[Stephen Lathrop]

Did not happen.

[Just Say'n]

Pretty sure that she most definitely masqueraded as Native American

[TuIpa]

You keep insisting this never happened but provide exactly nothing.

[Stephen Lathrop]

Tulpa, make a substantive charge?meaning use evidence?of some attempt at citing ethnicity for job advancement by Warren, and I will revise my understanding. Until then, did not happen.

I'm content to dig in my heels for now, because I followed the first charges as they developed, and already knew the Harvard survey background which made the changes nonsense. If you have something else, let's see it. I'm not closed-minded, and I'm not backing Warren for any office.

[Last of the Shitlords]

Cathy, just learn to obey. Thinking doesn't work very well for you.

[Eddy]

Hey Harvard, not only am I am Aztec, I worship Quet...Quez...Quezcoall...anyway, that Aztec deity. I bring more diversity than Warren ever would, in case you're looking for, I dunno, a new professor, or a new Director of Diversity.

[Mickey Rat]

You might want to watch who you drag to the top of your pyramid to sacrifice. You do not want it to be someone more oppressed than you.

[Eddy]

You think it's a problem if a guy puts a lot of heart into his work?

[Mickey Rat]

As always, it matters whose heart you put in.

[Eddy]

All I know is, those Indiana Jones villains from Temple of Doom are such wusses. All that chanting and drum-beating drama and they're only ripping out *one* guy's heart? I can rip out *many* more hearts in the same time.

[Eddy]

Shit, I'm like everyone's ex-girlfriend and ex-boyfriend rolled into one.

[Mickey Rat]

Now you are bringing up evil Asian stereotypes. You are never going to survive if you are not more careful.

[Eddy]

I'm *criticizing* the lamo-o stereotypes in that movie. I'm super-multicultural.

[Red Tony]

Actually, Quetzalcoatl was one of the few Aztec deities that did not demand human sacrifice, although Quetzalcoatl is supposed to have enjoyed the sound of children screaming.

[Eddy]

Are you dissing my valiant Aztec ancestors?

[Eddy]

Anyway, ripping out hearts, assigning extra homework, whatever, my forebears were badasses.

[Last of the Shitlords]

My forebears were immortal Scotsmen who decpaitated each other to capture quickenings.

[Red Tony]

I'm dissing your lack of knowledge about Aztec religion.

[Eddy]

There's only one Aztec deity I can even come close to spelling the name of, and he's some kind of vegetarian?

That sucks.

[Red Tony]

To be fair, Quetzalcoatl is pretty much the only famous Aztec deity. Had you chosen another one, such as Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli or Xolotl, I wouldn't have recognized the first and would have thought the second was a bassist I once knew.

[Eddy]

"Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli"

Now they're just showing off.

[albo]

Hey Harvard, not only am I am Aztec, I worship Quet...Quez...Quezcoall...anyway, that Aztec deity

So YOU'RE the Pumaman!

[JP88]

Damn Robby, you must have missed where the Globe updated the numbers! She is either 1/64th to 1/1,024th Native American.

I agree with you for the most part, but her self own is hilarious.

[Eddy]

Meanwhile, the gal who's only 1/2,048th Indian is really pissed for not making the cut.

[Pro Libertate]

What did she claim in the first place?

[Ordinary Person]

You should watch the video she put out with the results.

[Pro Libertate]

I meant when she first started mentioning, years ago.

[Ordinary Person]

It's a family story. Warren grew up believing her grandmother and grandfather eloped because of her grandmother's Native American appearance. This DNA shit is a recent phenomenon. If you're told that your grandmother is a fucking Indian then that a good reason to believe you're part NA and to be proud instead of ashamed of it.

[Pro Libertate]

I guess I don't care what she lies about. Her politics and economics are awful, and she lacks credibility for plenty of other reasons.

[Just Say'n]

Except there is no way based upon the DNA results that her grandmother was Native American. And she suddenly had a racial awakening in the 1980's while she was a professor at Univ. of PA and decided to start listing herself as "Native American" after previously listing herself as "white".

If any other white woman had so obviously lied about her ethnic background for career advancement I highly doubt people would be giving her the benefit of the doubt

[Pro Libertate]

I'm perfectly willing to believe she's lying. I just don't care. What, I'm going to vote against her with extra vigor?

[Just Say'n]

Vigor and malice

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

You may be asked to show identification when you check-in at your polling place for any of the following reasons:

You are voting for the first time in Massachusetts in a federal election;
You are an inactive voter;
You are casting a provisional or challenged ballot;
The poll worker has a reasonable suspicion that leads them to request identification.

There's a chance you could drive up from Tampa during the next election and vote against her if:

1. You're not casting a provisional or changed ballot.
2. You don't raise suspicion with the poll worker.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Sorry, link.

[Pro Libertate]

I have my own Astrosenator to dethrone.

[Ordinary Person]

Her grandmother believed she was Native American. Her grandmother lived near NA territory in Oklahoma and apparently looked NA. You have to understand there was no DNA analysis at that time. If you looked like a NA, lived near a reservation in Oklahoma and were told you were NA then you had no other basis to question the belief. It's more than just DNA. You're just some fucking idiot with an opinion. You didn't live her grandmother's life.

[Just Say'n]

Then why did she identify as "white" in her job until the late 1980's, if this was just a tale that she was always told?

[Ordinary Person]

I can't speak for her but maybe she thought it was cool that she had NA ancestory and she mistakenly believed that she had more of the NA DNA. She had good reason to believe she could have alot of the DNA because she was told her grandmother was a NA. For all we know Warren may have inherited her facial DNA from the DNA. People place so much emphasis on the DNA that determines your skin and eye color but they forget there's more to it. You could have a guy with 90% NA DNA and 10% Euro who looks Euro because of where the DNA is. Then you could have a guy with 90% Euro DNA and 10% NA DNA who looks like what we associate with NA.

[Pro Libertate]

I'm just surrounded by experts today! Upblog, there are masters of the "caged woman" genre. Here, there are people who knew Warren's grandmother! Color me embarrassed.

[Just Say'n]

VIGOR AND MALICE

[damikesc]

Her grandmother lived near NA territory in Oklahoma and apparently looked NA.

Nobody took a photo of her at any point of her life? Seriously?

You're aware the government was keeping track of native and non-native back then, right? The government didn't list her as native.

[ThomasD]

Reservation people have a word for the sorts who claim Indian ancestry. They are even more skeptical when the story is maternal ancestry.

Because, back in the day, no white woman would ever admit to screwing an Indian man.

[Cynical Asshole]

If any other white woman had so obviously lied about her ethnic background for career advancement I highly doubt people would be giving her the benefit of the doubt

Apparently, it's even worse than not getting the benefit of the doubt: she's end up getting charged with welfare fraud.

[TuIpa]

"If you're told that your grandmother is a fucking Indian then that a good reason to believe you're part NA "

Maybe. But it's a shitty reason to steal from actual minorities.

[Johnimo]

And that's the reason nobody should give a SHIT about a job applicants NA heritage. Our family heritage is fun to explore, but it should have no effect on your job, unless you're trying to get a role in a movie.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Lost quotes:

"Who cares if your identity is based on a lie! As long as you're embiggened to believe it."

/Jebediah Springfield.

[damikesc]

If you're told that your grandmother is a fucking Indian then that a good reason to believe you're part NA and to be proud instead of ashamed of it.

And if the family story ends up being false, claim the media is attacking your mom.
Which is what she did, mind you.

You can have family make untrue claims. And did ANYBODY else in her family claim NA heritage? No official documents from that time claim that any of her grands were native.

[Last of the Shitlords]

OP, she appropriated their culture! That isn't hers! Both you and Elizabeth Warren need to check your white privilege!

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

I meant when she first started mentioning, years ago.

I believe her oldest mention was something like a 1984 cook book called Pow Wow Chow (I'm not making that up).

[Ordinary Person]

Her whole family talks about the NA grandmother. The family was talking about it when the NA grandmother married the white grandfather. Warren probably first heard the story when she was a child. If a grandmother was ostracized for being a NA then clearly you can see how the daughter and granddaughter could internalize it all.

[Just Say'n]

"Her whole family talks about the NA grandmother"

Not true. Most of her family dispute her tale.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2.....n-heritage

[TuIpa]

Why are there so many people in this thread unapologetically defending her?

[Just Say'n]

I guess this story was forwarded on by some progressive or something. There are a lot of Warren lovers in this thread

[TuIpa]

It's just weird, she's demosntrably awful as a person, even if she weren't lying about her ancestry.

[Cynical Asshole]

Because they're idiots.

[loveconstitution1789]

Lefties will defend the lefty narrative, no matter what.

[Dillinger]

>>>Her whole family talks about the NA grandmother.

Everybody's whole family talks about their NA grandmothers

[Pro Libertate]

Actually, I have heard that one plenty over the years.

[Dont Tread On Womyn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Y6JhOVYqw

Yup no joke, although it is downright hysterical, it has been a part of the discourse for awhile now. Even Trevor Noah felt she deserved to be scalped for it.

https://bit.ly/2yDoW7S

(Washington Times article, incase you are like me and can't stand Trevor Noah.)

[Last of the Shitlords]

Given that most people who do not come from sub-Saharan Africa have 1-4& Neanderthal DNA, it is a mortal lock that Warren is more genetically white Neanderthal than she is Native American.

[Dont Tread On Womyn]

Ya but that doesn't account for those high cheekbones.
Check and mate, Republican.
Also I can't confirm but you're definitely a racist.

[Dont Tread On Womyn]

/sarc if it wasn't obvious

[Dont Tread On Womyn]

What I find so interesting about all of this is that so many seem to think this is a hill worth dying on. It's just not. This is only worth talking about because Warren can't seem to just let this go.

Dems can't seem to stop shooting themselves in the foot, and so close to the midterms.

I think libertarians in general would want any reason to find common ground with liberals and Dems, but they seem unable to wake up from their Trump nightmare and instead double down on their out-of-touchness.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

""I think libertarians in general would want any reason to find common ground with liberals and Dems, "'

Your proposing a one way street. Liberals and Dems have made it very clear they have no interests in finding common ground with libertarians.

[posmoo]

She claimed her great grandmother had to elope and leave the city because her racist great grandfathers parents didn't want their son marrying an injun girl.

Seriously, and then the conservative press dug up the marraige announcement they put in the paper to celebrate it. Woops. Oh and they found out he was in the Tennessee militia that forced the Cherokee to Oklahoma on the trail of tears.

Don't make your lies too specific leftists. Keep your lies simple like Blasey Ford. I don't remember the house, the time, the date, the year, the city, how I got there or how I got home.

[Dillinger]

One Drop the flavor of the day again now?

If I get CTE from SMDH against what policy is my claim made?

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

I'm not convinced that Warren actually used her alleged Native American ancestry to advance her career at Harvard

Based on what? She was touted as a diversity hire at HLS and Penn.

[Stephen Lathrop]

Citation needed for any record of advancement related to ancestry, and for any attempt at advancement related to ancestry.

[Just Say'n]

http://www.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/s.....1938887680

There is a whole thread that goes through all of her efforts to use her Native American lie to advance her career.

I know that this is a tough time for you, but your woke messiah is fraud

[TuIpa]

10 bucks says he never replies.

[D-Pizzle]

Too bad no one took you up on the bet. You could have collected from Stephen, Rev, Chemjeff, Tony, Cathy, et al. That's beer money for at least 2 weekends (but I'm not judging).

[TrickyVic (old school)]

What's funny is she did a Mexican Oatmeal Soup in the Pow Wow Chow, which is more in line with the DNA result.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

She's good people.

[Rossami]

The question is whether she exploited the claim or whether the institutions attempted to exploit it.

Silly either way but it does matter slightly as to how much blame she personally deserves.

And as the article points out, she uncontroversially deserves A LOT more blame for her destructive, unconstitutional and flat-out evil policy proposals.

[Social Justice is neither]

Look Derp-o she's credible and that's all that matter. facts and evidence be damned this is Soaveville.

[Ken Shultz]

Warren's ancestry claims speak directly to her policy ideas. They show that she doesn't care about how her claims or policies hurt people. She just cares about seizing power, and she's willing to say or do almost anything to achieve that.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Trump's 'pussy-grabbing' comments speak directly to his policy ideas. They show that he doesn't care about how his claims or policies hurt people. He just cares about seizing power, and he's willing to say or do almost anything to achieve that.

[Red Tony]

^I laughed.

[Dillinger]

funny because it's true

[Ken Shultz]

You think Trump's pussy grabbing comment helped him seize power?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

It helped him seize something, that's for sure.

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

Pussy = power?

[TuIpa]

That is actually totally accurate.

[Tony]

Speak for yourself.

[TuIpa]

So you're not a human? I believe that.

[Last of the Shitlords]

Tony is NOT human. He is a soulless unclean thing that exists to bugger young teen boys, amd thirsts to oppress humanity.

[Dillinger]

they rule the world.

[Juice]

reading is fundamental

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Just hold Trump to the same standard that you hold Warren.

[loveconstitution1789]

Chemjeff is funny.

He thinks we care what he says.

[damikesc]

I will. If Trump claims to be Native, I'll need proof of that also.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Oh, enough of that garbage Chemjeff. What he said was 'when you're famous women let you grab them by the pussy.' He didn't say 'grab them by the pussy if you want action.'

And that's just a fucken reality. Ever hear of groupies? Rod Stewart?

[Nardz]

Funny story:
I was at Vortex in ATL once and there was a guy who looked like rod Stewart. Waitress said he wasn't, but tried to pretend he was, going so far as to pull a fake ID out of his wallet (she could see his real one). Later, he got kicked out for getting a BJ in the restroom

[Rufus The Monocled]

He said, 'I was only joking!'

[Uncle Jay]

Warren has as much Indian blood in her as she has credibility.

[albo]

I'm a Viking under the One Drop of Ralph Wiggum Rule

"Oh, boy, sleep! That's where I'm a viking!"

[Eddy]

I'm one of the few descendants of the famous Viking raider, Sigurd the Informed-Consent Notarizer.

[Colossal Douchebag]

Run her against Trump in '20. Go ahead. I dare you.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Grabbing Warren's sweet, corn-scented pussy.

I slab some cum on it and slurpy it like some good old cob.

I'd pay him so much money if he'd say that. So much.

[newshutz]

Her campaign slogans write themselves:

Warren 2020, she's not as bad as Hillary

[Juice]

Who cares?

Harvard did, apparently.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Who cares?

Elizabeth Warren does.

[Pro Libertate]

The truth is that she thought her grandfather was that American Indian in the 70s' pollution commercial. Granted, he was Italian, and not her grandmother or grandfather, but she's confused in other ways, why not this way?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Look, all I know is I'm getting my DNA tested and whatever the most remote ethnic content I can find, that's how I'm identifying. Unfortunately, no Native American DNA for me because my ancestors were all dirty immigrants within the last two generations.

I'm hoping for some Italiano so I can claim I'm Roman. Unfortunately, I suspect it's mostly Hobbit and Slav.

[Pro Libertate]

My dad got tested. About as much Northern European as it gets. And Mom is probably even more so, though no test yet. To be honest, from what I've read, those tests remain pretty dubious.

In any case, I'm a big loser in the identity politics game, as currently scored.

[Rufus The Monocled]

If you go any more North you'll be Inuit!

[loveconstitution1789]

Laplander? They are nordic eskimos or something.

When asked, check the other box and right in laplander.

[loveconstitution1789]

*write in...

[Last of the Shitlords]

I'm writing in 'Highlander'. After all, I'm the end, there can be only one.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Apparently, our family name was traced back to Venice. Some fucko decided it was a good idea to go to Calabria.

[Pro Libertate]

What's that get you up there?

[Rufus The Monocled]

Nothing. We're white. Hello.

All of Europe is one culture now according to the narrative.

[Pro Libertate]

Well, that simplifies matters.

[Canman]

Trump should have himself tested. He'd probably beat her.

[Just Say'n]

If we're applying the "one drop of blood" principle which some seem to be pushing in order to justify Warren's lie then it is likely that Trump could prove to have Jewish ancestory (considering that his family is German). That would probably cause literal head explosions on CNN

[Eddy]

"I'll tell you who my Indian ancestor *wasn't* - he wasn't the guy who sold Manhattan for a string of beads. Loser!"

[Nardz]

LOL

[creech]

Actually, that was a good deal. Had the NA put the "$24" into Royal Dutch Bonds, they would be valued -compounded and re-invested - in the trillions today.

[CE]

So there are trillions in Royal Dutch Bonds still on the market? Really?

[CE]

I think I'd rather own Manhattan, as bad as it is.

[Last of the Shitlords]

And you don't want to k ow what those Indians did with those beads...........

[Stephen Lathrop]

Warren's economic and corporate policy would probably sell pretty well to the Trump base, if they ever heard it. Problem is, you have to hear it from her, and not from right-wing media.

That doesn't mean I think Warren should run for president. She shouldn't. She is too old, and she has shown herself to be a terrible politician. Before everything else, the presidency is a political office. Bad politicians don't do well.

[Just Say'n]

"Warren's economic and corporate policy would probably sell pretty well to the Trump base, if they ever heard it"

Warren would do absolutely terrible in the Midwest. Trump's emphasis on manufacturing and tariffs to support manufacturing is what won him that region. Nationalization of industry, as Warren proposes, would not work there. Ohio is not Boston. People don't like socialism there. They like protectionism.

[Stephen Lathrop]

Just Say'n here, is a case in point. He has no notion?from Warren?what her economic policies are, or would be. He starts, for no particular reason, with the idea that she must be a socialist, and therefore she is in favor of nationalizing industry, and therefore the Midwest will hate her.

Try this out. Google "Elizabeth Warren" and "nationalize industry." You will find plenty. None of it from Warren herself. Instead, it's all Fox News commentary and other similar swill, all carrying water for big business, which wants Warren tarred as a communist. She is nothing of the kind. She is an energetic and creative opponent of run-wild corporate plunder of the economy. Does that sound to you like something the Rust Belt will hate?

Warren is a pro-capitalist, pro-regulatory, economic maverick?much closer to FDR than probably anyone else now in government. In bad economic times in the Midwest, FDR did pretty well. Warren has also come out against trade deals, and admitted outright she sides with the Trump administration at times on trade questions.

Warren consistently makes the economic well-being of ordinary Americans her policy touchstone. And she was doing that long before she got into government. That was what her Harvard Law classes were about?focusing on aspects of the legal system which economically disadvantaged people like her own family.

[Eddy]

But suppose she ran against Trump?

We can imagine a swing voter saying, "they both make sense on economics," but what will make the key difference so that Joe and Josephine 6-pack say, "OK, as between Trump and Warren I prefer Warren because..."

[Eddy]

Maybe Joe(sephine) 6-pack wouldn't mind that Warren put one over on her stuffy Harvard bosses by finding an Indian ancestor - that might even indicate some boldness and negotiating skill. That incident in isolation could be spun as a thumb in the nose to political correctness.

But Warren's Democratic Party affiliation might indicate to Joe(sephine) that maybe she takes this PC business more seriously than she ought. And in Trump, Joe(sephine) already has someone willing to take on PC foolishness.

Josephine 6-pack may be a woman, but perhaps she has a husband, a brother and sons and doesn't want them sexually smeared by some random woman.

[Eddy]

I mean, from Josephine's perspective, getting manufacturing jobs back wouldn't be much use if her son is blacklisted in the industry for failing to invite the trans student to the prom, contrary to the Warren Administration Trans-Inclusive Guidelines.

[Stephen Lathrop]

Eddy, show me any example of Warren making identity politics a focus of any proposed policy. I don't think you can find it. Maybe I'm wrong. She is a Democrat, and who knows what they have pushed her into. But I have paid attention to her career since a few years before she became a political figure, and that doesn't sound like her. Let's see your PC fears confirmed in some remarks she makes while discussing her own field of policy expertise.

As for the six-pack family, maybe you assume they are too stupid to notice that Trump has rhetoric, but no systematic policy to help them?except maybe for some crazy-ass chaotic protectionism. (I say that as someone looking for a better protectionist.) Warren is also somewhat protectionist, and has a hell of a lot better economic policy grasp than Trump?which the six-pack family's smarter relatives may notice. Who knows, maybe they will even mention that to the six-pack family themselves.

[Stephen Lathrop]

Eddy, I was going too fast, and went by this, ". . . contrary to the Warren Administration Trans-Inclusive Guidelines." Tell me, what is the point of discussing politics if you just want to make stuff up. It's as if you don't take politics seriously.

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

Also, her policy ideas are terrible.

[Pro Libertate]

Which is why she should be repudiated by voters. She can do Mazola commercials after she's out of politics, for all I care.

[Just Say'n]

Land 'o Lakes could use a new model for their advertisements

[Pro Libertate]

Perfect!

[Eddy]

"You didn't spread that."

[Pro Libertate]

"At least 1/64th pure butter."

[JesseAz]

"I can't believe it's not butter, because it isn't"

[TuIpa]

"Problem is, you have to hear it from her, "

Would she be lying about it like she has her ancestry?

[Rufus The Monocled]

Lol. She's a miserable commie twat. Didn't she claim to have been sexually assaulted by a former friend and colleague....who is dead? Nice lady accusing a guy who can't defend himself. The way she described it, if I recall, he chased her around a desk in his office. Yosemite Sam and Grandma as it were.

Her *ideas* are awful and your a tool and a fool for buying into them.

[Rufus The Monocled]

you're

[Pro Libertate]

That was my point up above. I already don't like her politics, so she's done as far as I'm concerned. Why waste time on finding new reasons to not vote for her?

[Nardz]

The jokes, man.
Think of the jokes!

[swillfredo pareto]

Why waste time on finding new reasons to not vote for her?

Because her politics appeal to an unhealthy percentage of Americans. If the people who can be persuaded by her fraudulent attempt to claim native American ancestry are combined with the people who hate her for her economic illiteracy and slavish desire to enlarge the welfare state maybe she will be impaled on a cornstalk in the Iowa primaries.

[loveconstitution1789]

Identity politicis is the name of the game to ignorant young voters who might fall for her wompom appeal.

Shut it down and shut her down before it even starts,

Then go back to bashing her commie economic ideas and chase her out of the Senate.

[Nardz]

Stephen, every time you post it makes you look really, really, really stupid.

Please don't stop

[JesseAz]

He's one of the volokh liberals from WaPo that followed him here. Kirkland is the other. They never make an intelligent argument.

[newshutz]

Actually both were Volokh commenters before the WP move, but the RAK may not be the orignial.

The original AK was left of center and biased against the south, but not nearly as deranged as RAK.

[Tony]

As a person also from Oklahoma, where everyone thinks they have Native ancestry, watching the rest of the country get into a tizzy about this is baffling.

It tells me it's all the evil Republicans have on her. Good luck with that.

[Just Say'n]

Yeah. The Democrats should definitely nominate an entitled white woman again. Working real well last time

[Unicorn Abattoir]

She's only 96.875% white!! Stop discriminating against minorities!!!

[Just Say'n]

"She's only 96.875% white!! Stop discriminating against minorities!!!"

Correction: At best she is 98.5% white (if she is 1/64th Native American). At worst she is 99.99% white.

She is whiter than the average American in the US

[Unicorn Abattoir]

I was going with 1/32.

Only her heart is black.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

""At worst she is 99.99% white"'

Ivory soap white?

[TuIpa]

An entitled white woman who stole from minorities.

Go ahead and try to sell her as a real Indian. Do it.

[Tony]

I suppose white men do have the better track record, might as well never risk anything else.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

It's true, white men really are the best.

[Tony]

And what the fuck does "entitled" mean here? Born with a half a billion dollars in the piggy bank? Oh no, must be something else. Do explain.

[Just Say'n]

"And what the fuck does "entitled" mean here?"

She was a tenured college professor. One of the most heavily subsidized and privileged positions in the country.

[TuIpa]

Tony sticking up for people with privilege like him.

[Tony]

At Harvard, one of the most difficult jobs to get in the world. But she'll be running against Trump so obviously the privilege, subsidy, and entitlement issue is quite canceled out.

[JesseAz]

Not difficult if you get put on the tenured woman of color track like she was put on.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Warren/Hillary.

IT'S THEIR DAMN TURN AND THEY'RE ON THE WAR PATH.

/Indian war song. Whatever that is. Let's go with the Atlanta Braves chant.

[loveconstitution1789]

Warren will be the only 1/512th fake AmerIndian to have all the actual AmerIndians vote against her.

[Stephen Lathrop]

Just out of curiosity, what do you know about Warren's "entitled," biography? Her personal history is really, really far from Hillary Clinton's.

[creech]

I agree with Tony. Hey, it's not like she approved a book jacket biography that said she was "born in Kenya" or something.

[Tony]

Ooh if we finally prove it can we set a precedent for canceling out presidencies after the fact?

[creech]

I'm not trying to assert he was born in Kenya. He was born in Hawai'i but I don't buy that the publisher made the biographical mistake; I think it was coldly calculated by himself to sell more books.

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

This. I believe Barry was born in America but I also believe he will make any claim whatsoever that gives him an advantage inn the moment.

[Last of the Shitlords]

I firmly believe he fraudently applied and was granted student aid as a foreign citizen (he did have an Indonesian passport). Which is why no one will ever see his college transcripts or application form.

[M.L.]

Warren has been a disgrace ever since she published a grossly misleading "study" about health care costs and bankruptcies. I encountered her awfulness before she was ever a politician.

Now she releases a DNA test that shows she's a liar and claims victory. As little as 1/1024 South American, not even Native American.

[Rufus The Monocled]

I knew of her before even Americans outside New England did because I listen to Howie Carr.

[Stephen Lathrop]

Was that the pre-Limbaugh Howie Carr, or the mentally deteriorated post-Limbaugh version?

[D-Pizzle]

I had to use her financially ignorant Bankruptcy text book in law school. My professor was a hard core Warren acolyte. She was an idiot too.

[Last of the Shitlords]

Not surprising. I've found that a preponderance of legal scholars don't know jack about finance or economics.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

You know who else determined ethnicity by how many generations removed...

[CE]

About time someone pointed that out....

[lap83]

Matthew and Luke?

[Johnny B]

They were Democrats too,

[dave b.]

I automatically disbelieve any white person who claims Native ancestry from one of the 5 civilized tribes. Your ancestors are $5 Indians who stole land from the real Natives via the Dawes rolls

[Ordinary Person]

My dad thought we may have had NA DNA but none of us did when tested our shit. but that doesn't mean we didn't have a NA familiar ancestor. We just might not have gotten his DNA. I could have a great grandfather with 25% NA DNA and people living around him may have considered him NA. But that DNA could have vanished by the time it reached us. But we would have that story in the family and that would explain our belief that we might have NA DNA.

[Pro Libertate]

This is true--your genes don't reflect all of your ancestry.

[Just Say'n]

"We just might not have gotten his DNA."

DNA isn't like hair loss. It doesn't skip a generation

[Just Say'n]

Upon looking this up, it does appear that DNA is more random than being directly passed down. Which I guess I had just never learned or forgotten about from high school. OK, your point makes sense then. And I just learned (or relearned) something

[Bubba Jones]

It is random but you have 50-100 chunks handed down each generation. That should approximate 50-100 coin flips. How far from 50% do you really expect that to be?

[lap83]

But we would have that story in the family and that would explain our belief that we might have NA DNA.

What is it with progs and their obsession with narratives? Just because you're right about the DNA doesn't mean everyone has to believe your story, much less that you deserve special treatment because of it.

[Last of the Shitlords]

OP, you're confusing genetic traits with your actual genes. You do get everything from your ancestors, however a given individual may not actively manifest all potential genetic traits. Also, so,e genetic traits have a tendency to skip a generation.

It doesn't mean that it's still not in your genetic code.

[Just Say'n]

http://www.twitter.com/JustinWingerte.....1576169476

Cherokee Nation doesn't seem to buy Warren's "origin myth". Warren defenders hardest hit and now currently working on the "Cherokee Nation is a racist remnant of white supremacy" talking point.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Cherokee Nation is part of Proud Boys now?

[Last of the Shitlords]

Calling out the Cherokee Tribe as white racists will serve them well. Nothing could go wrong with that tactic.

Not a thing.

[Ken Shultz]

I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this yet, but one of the things we should keep in mind is the margin of error.

I don't know what the margin of error is on these tests, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were greater than plus or minus 1/512.

1/512 = 0.001953125 or 2 tenths of one percent. Am I getting that math right?

I've seen Mory Povitch on occasion, and when they do paternity tests, isn't it usually 99% that you're the father?

What are the chances that paternity tests are more accurate than tests for ethnicity? If the margin of error is plus or minus one percent, that means it's five times greater than the percentage is that Warren is Native American.

So, yeah, my big question: Is the margin of error greater than or less than Warren's one-tenth of one percent?

[Rufus The Monocled]

Ken watches Maury Povich. That's the big take away here.

[Ken Shultz]

I've seen it.

[creech]

My first dna test showed 9% Iberian peninsula. I was all ready to claim I was Hispanic. As the dna lab got more reference families in their data base, my Iberian percentage dropped to zero. Now they claim I'm actually more Germanic than the average person who lives in Germany today. You know who else was Germanic??

[Rufus The Monocled]

Nosferatu?

[Last of the Shitlords]

Coach Feratu?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jBOfj61PWCo

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

You know who else was Germanic??

The English language?

[loveconstitution1789]

Albert Einstein?

[loveconstitution1789]

Elizabeth Warren?

[newshutz]

Queen Elizabeth II ?

[Naaman Brown]

Supposedly there is Saponi and Cherokee in my family tree.
I was not raised in American Indian culture, or know any of the languages or lore.
I would feel like a complete poseur to claim to be American Indian based on remote relatives.

[Naaman Brown]

Justin Wingerter, "Cherokee Nation slams Elizabeth Warren's DNA test as 'inappropriate and wrong'", The Oklahoman, 15 Oct 2018.

[Bubba Jones]

Bwahahahahhaha

[Tony]

Trump poses as a self-made billionaire and a person capable of grownup thoughts, so meh.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

The only difference here is I'm not sure if there's a major old-print newspaper trying to rehabilitate one of those notions.

[Gilbert Martin]

And you pose as someone with more than one brain cell.

[Last of the Shitlords]

Well Tony, there's far more truth to that than anything tired old Fauxcahontas has claimed.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Huh, right wing Boston Globe just released a correction to the correction.

Correction: Due to a math error, a story about Elizabeth Warren misstated the ancestry percentage of a potential 6th to 10th generation relative. The generational range based on the ancestor that the report identified suggests she's between 1/64th and 1/1,024th Native American

Warren may have scored a massive own-goal by choosing to do a DNA test to prove her Native roots.

[Ken Shultz]

Did she claim that one of her grandparents was disowned for marrying a Native American?

1/4 would mean one of her grandparents was 100% Native American.

1/8 would mean one of her great-grandparents were 100%.

1/64, at best, would mean that one of her great, great, great, great grandparents was 100% Native American.

If she claimed that one of her grandparents was disowned for marrying a Native American, her story doesn't check out.

[Bubba Jones]

She claimed her mom was so Cherokee/Delaware that her parents had to elope.

[Bubba Jones]

I have a Spanish friend who checks the Hispanic box on his HR forms.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

My daughter accidentally checked "hispanic" on some paperwork when she was in elementary school. She regularly gets mail from hispanic students' organizations and it causes me a chuckle-- and I won't lift a finger to correct it. I'm wondering if it will follow her into college as she's still getting this stuff as a jr in high school. If it does and she ever runs for office, that'll be a fun time explaining that.

[Bubba Jones]

We should be celebrating Warren 's subversion of affirmative action.

If she were willing to take that position.

[dave b.]

Most forms specify it as White of Hispanic Descent, being that Hispanic is not a race. Hispanics are generally classified as white in the US anyway

[mlwjr]

I find that depends on the situation and how the person classifying needs it to support an assertion

[TrickyVic (old school)]

I did the HRSA UDS report for my old job. According to the Fed, at least for healthcare reporting, Hispanic is not a race, it's an ethnicity. The funny thing is that the ethnicity choices are Hispanic, or Non-Hispanic. You could be a white Hispanic, or a black Hispanic, or pacific islander and Hispanic if you choose.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

UDS Table 3B

[Naaman Brown]

These are among the questions on the ATF Firearms Transaction Record Form 4473 (rev 17 Nov 2017) required for gun purchase from a licensed dealer.
(In addition to ethnicity, select one or more race in 10.b.
Both 10.a. and 10.b. must be answered.)
10.a. Ethnicity
[] Hispanic or Latino
[] Not Hispanic or Latino
10.b.
[] American Indian or Alaska Native
[] Asian
[] Black or African American
[] Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander
[] White

[Brett Bellmore]

"In this latter case, Warren wouldn't be any more of a Native American than the average U.S. citizen."

Correction: She'd be less of a Native American than the average U.S. citizen of European ancestry.

[Inigo Montoya]

Well, this settles it, we as a culture have officially become stupid. All the focus is on what tiny fractional percentage of native Warren is, and nearly no attention is given to her terrible ideas or cluelessness about economics. It's just like BK: zero discussion of his judicial record, which is awful (Patriot Act? Torture memo?) but we got day after day, 24-hour coverage of his high school years!

The body public has officially shit the bed: discussing ideas requires thinking and thinking is hard! Pathetic.

[Naaman Brown]

His judicial record would be his public performance on the circuit court, what, 12 years?

Speculation on his input to the Patriot Act or Torture Memo, meh.

[Last of the Shitlords]

His judicial record isn't awful, but has some bad points. And to correct you. He isn't bad on torture. Since limited waterboardijg isn't torture.

[Bubba Jones]

I like the excuse that the dna test wasn't specific for Cherokee.

As if Warren didn't hand pick a sympathetic academic to ensure the best possible chance of success. Perhaps they should have discussed this ahead of time.

[Naaman Brown]

She could pass a lie detector test:
"What is your name?"
"Is this paper a dna report?"
Bingo, she wins a doeskin dress and moccasins.

[CDRSchafer]

She's 99% She-Jackass.

[John C. Randolph]

She is not a Jackass. Jackasses are capable of doing useful work.

-jcr

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Yeah I don't really give a shit how much of a Native American she claims to be. That's not why she's an awful candidate.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Fauxahontus, to be sure.

[Eddy]

Collector's Item: Pow Wow Chow cookbook, with a contribution from Warren.

[Rockabilly]

Some moons ago E Warren came to our Cherokee Tribe.

She said she was a Cherokee squaw in search of her roots.

Our Medicine Man, Flying Buffalo was present.

He asked to her come to him so he could smell her hair. She did as was told.

Flying Buffalo took her hair, smelled it, winced, and then spoke
" I do not smell Cherokee squaw, I smell white liberal guilt and head and shoulders shampoo! Begone Fakehonutus !!!"

She turned bright red and fled.

We all laughed at Flying Buffalo's joke but also thanked him for his wisdom in identifying the white she devil

[Agammamon]

A DNA test says the senator from Massachusetts is maybe, slightly, Native American. Who cares?

She did Soave. She did. And so did a lot of other people who offered her special privileges and help that they wouldn't have offered otherwise.

So yeah, whether she is or not is kind of important now. Not because of anything that could be described as 'objective' but because a lot of people think things like 'race' and 'ethnicity' are incredibly important.

[vek]

I'm VASTLY more Native American blood than this slut... I actually tan, and can't grow a decent damn beard! But I never felt the need to affirmative action my way through life. What a weasely slut.

[loveconstitution1789]

She does have quite the beard on her face.

[Eddy]

The thing is that if you want to talk about disadvantaged populations, Indians on reservations are it.

In the non-reservation world outside, there has traditionally been more assimilation, even in eras where whites were otherwise racially exclusive.

But on reservations, the land is basically the leavings which the white government allowed when the rest of the Indian land was seized. Not a lot of opportunity, but a lot of social dysfunction.

There's a reason the term "leaving the reservation" has such cultural resonance. Call it selling out if you will, it's going from a community of limited opportunity to a country of broader opportunities.

It's a serious situation, and it takes some balls for an white academic careerist to exploit genuine concern about conditions on the reservations in order to get a promotion - all the while talking about standing up for the little guys and the people who have been left behind.

[Eddy]

It's not the assimilated group which is disadvantaged, it's the ones on the American Bantustans (what else would you call them?).

Ely S. Parker became an aide to General Grant, and Indian Commissioner.

Charles Curtis was 3/8 Indian and served as Vice President in the 1920s - a time when it's hard to imagine some other kind of nonwhite person getting such a position.

Maybe it helped that they were both Republicans.

So I don't think any affirmative-action rationale (even if we accepted such things) would apply to the assimilated part of the Native American population.

Recruiting gifted students from the reservations would actually bear some resemblance to a policy of helping actual disadvantaged folks.

[vek]

It is totally true that Americans have always had a weird relationship with Native Americans. We certainly called them savages, and mocked many of their ways back in the day... But we also had a weird respect for them too. We respected their bravery in combat, in some tribes the strength of character and honor they displayed.

And it is a straight up fact that half breeds with Indians were mostly accepted straight into white society. They might catch some flack, but didn't face the kind of outright legal restrictions other mixed race people did. This is why most natives just got lost in the mix, BECAUSE they were accepted in, and allowed to join white society.

I'm part native on both sides of my family. One is Seminole from a side of my family that lived in Florida/Alabama until my grandpas branch moved out west. The other is supposedly Aztec from Mexico. The Seminole I am sure of, but the Aztec I dunno... It's definitely some kind of Indian from Mexico!

On both sides they just melted into white society fully, despite BOTH of my grandpas where the native blood came from tanning like motha fuckas. Nobody paid it any mind, even back many decades ago. They both married into WASP (presumably, if there isn't MORE native blood hidden) families with no flack.

[loveconstitution1789]

Its a complex history because there were times of peaceful exchange, then warfare, then peace treaties.

The biggest thing to remember is that the World would be a very different place without the USA and all its harm of slaves and AmerIndians. In the end, America and Americans are a mix of all that history and a common desire for freedom and wealth.

Black, white, AmerIndian, Indian, Asian, Mexican, European, African, South American...we are American not American't.

[vek]

Different is true. Far worse without the USA is also true IMO.

The Americas would probably be a backwards and poor part of the world without the conquest of the USA and Canada by Europeans. As somebody that is considerably above average in my native American blood, I have ZERO problem saying that I'm glad we conquered north America from the natives. We could have been a bit nicer about it sometimes, there were some outright slaughters and the like... But the natives were frequently more brutal to white folks than white folks were being to them too.

Either way, it is what it is. I think there were a lot of mistakes made along the way on many fronts, but if I have a binary option of having it happen exactly like it did, or no Europeans ever setting foot in the Americas... I'd take it exactly like it happened no problem. It DID result in my existing after all!

[John C. Randolph]

if you want to talk about disadvantaged populations, Indians on reservations are it.

and they're the canonical example of why letting the federal government take care of you is a terrible thing.

-jcr

[Agammamon]

Warren's family tree probably includes a Native American ancestor six to 10 generations ago. A sixth-generation ancestor would make her 1/32 Native American. A tenth-generation ancestor would mean that Warren is only .097 percent Native American.

. . .

We can't say for sure that Warren is a faux-Indian . . .

Yes we can. We can say *quite conclusively* that she's a fake Indian - and not a good fake like Iron Eyes Cody.

[Bubba Jones]

I'm a Cherokee outlaw. My baby, she's a Chippewa.

[Stephen Lathrop]

It's notable that an article about Warren?saying her real problem is policy, not ethnicity?has overwhelmingly attracted comments about ethnicity from Warren's opponents?plus a few jibes showing the opponents have no notion of what her policies actually are.

That is telling us something about the way right wing media are framing Warren's potential candidacy. If you happen to number yourself among the small subset of libertarians who prioritize the economic circumstances of ordinary Americans, you could do worse than to try to get out of the right-wing echo chamber, and take a look at Warren's own advocacy of her policies. You aren't getting it straight here, not by a long shot.

[Bubba Jones]

Pick a policy. We will explain how she is a self serving tool.

[Eddy]

Yeah, let us focus on her actual policies, like her bill, the Native American Voting Rights Act of 2018.

[lap83]

The obsession progressives have with race is just despicable. There's no other way to put it.

[Tony]

Well unlike conservatives we actually have races.

[Bubba Jones]

Republicans elect a Hispanic and you send the whitest Irish dude ever after him.

[JeremyR]

But give him a vaguely latino sounding nickname...

[eyesay]

Beto O'Rourke actually speaks Spanish and I believe opinion polls show that Hispanic Texans prefer Mr. O'Rourke to Mr. Cruz. That said, I urge all voters to vote based on policy, character, and integrity, and may the best candidate win.

[vek]

That's because most of the Hispanics in Texas NOWADAYS haven't been there for any length of time, and have bought into the whole Democrat leftist thing. Old school Hispanics in the American west, the kind whose families fought Santa Ana to win independence, or were in California in the 1800s, were VERY well integrated, and basically the same as white Texans, Californians, Nevadans, etc.

How do I know you may ask? Because my moms dad was from a long time in the USA Hispanic family in California. He was a gun toting, cowboy shirt wearing, logger in the Sierra Nevada mountains. Same thing as long time Hispanics in Texas. All the NEW ones, that came from the Reagan amnesty and later illegal immigration... They're the ones that want to live on the Democratic plantation.

[eyesay]

This is a political website, so it is OK to say that Senator Warren supports policy X and I the writer believe policy X would have bad consequences. It is not OK to lie about the controversy. The controversy is that Senator Warren allegedly made untrue statements about having Native American ancestry and advanced her career at Harvard on the basis of those alleged untrue statements. Well, now we know that Senator Warren didn't make untrue statements about her ancestry. She really does have Native American Ancestry, and more important, she didn't use that fact to advance her career at Harvard, and Harvard didn't consider her (tiny fractional) Native American ancestry in advancing her career. That is the issue, and all those, including President Trump, who claimed that she was making stuff up about her Native American ancestry and that Harvard advanced her career on that basis, are liars. That is the real story here.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Fuckin' LOL at this earnest proglydyte lunacy. You should really stop drunk-posting, toots.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

She really does have Native American Ancestry

No, she doesn't. Her DNA was measured against Mexicans and Colombians, and the suck-up professor who did the test couldn't even get a specific range that 23andme gets on a routine basis.

[Chipper Jones]

Warren may not have advanced her academic career by using her alleged Native American ancestry, but right now she is clearly trying to advance her political career using her alleged Native American ancestry.

[Last of the Shitlords]

Bullshit. She has less AI than the average American honky. She is a lying piece of progressive shit.

[vek]

Pshh. If I ever run into this chick, I'm going to tell her that as somebody who ACTUALLY has native American ancestry, I think she's a piece of shit for exploiting it to get a gig she wasn't qualified for.

Not that I really give a crap that I'm part buffalo fucker... But just because she's a tool for either completely making up, or scamming on her minimal native blood, to get a leg up.

[loki]

Any tribes out there looking to claim her? Any one?
*crickets*

[William Walsh]

Falsus in uno. Falsus in omnibus.

I cannot imagine a scenario where Warren's dissembling about here ethnic heritage was not consciously used to advance her career. Regardless, Her claims are directly connected to her politics and policy and should not be dismissed as some kind of distraction. At the very least, Warren does not deal directly with reality but through the lens of a false narrative that we must assume informs every decision. At worst she is a helpless liar.

[Duelles]

She was tested against Peruvians, Mexicans etc. sooooo her " American DNA could be a lot of Chinese since there was a 1400s explore by the Chinese. In addition she cannot afford to have an independent lab do her DNA test because with her Euro Ancestry she is likely 2% - 2.8% Neanderthal. What would that do for the intellect of a Harvard professor given the reputation of Neanderthals.

[Last of the Shitlords]

She is 100% progtard.

[mpercy]

My mother says her grandmother was 1/2 Mohawk. From the picture my mother showed me of her grandmother, I'd tend to believe it. So my great-grandmother was ostensibly 1/2 Mohawk.

At no point in my life have I ever thought to check "Native American" on any form.

Warren is a lying psycho who tried to game the system for her own benefit and is now getting burned by her intersectionality.

OTOH, maybe she can just "identify as Cherokee".

[heart_of_flint]

I predict a huge spike in Native American applicants to colleges and jobs if Warren becomes the Democratic nominee.

[vek]

Everybody should just start doing that anyway. It would effectively destroy the system. Affirmative action is a bunch of bullshit, all up and down the line. The best qualified people should ALWAYS get into the best schools or jobs. Not being allowed into Harvard on affirmative action doesn't mean some minority will all of a sudden never make it into a college on their merit... It just means they aren't cut out for an Ivy League school.

Anybody even considered as being admittable on affirmative action grounds to Harvard can probably easily make it into a good state school on merit. What's more, by putting them in a program that is commensurate with their capabilities, it is probably actually serving the student BETTER than forcing them into a program they can't keep up with. There have been studies shown that there are more people who drop out when they're admitted to schools they aren't good enough for... So what's better in the job market, a dropout from Harvard, or a degree from a top state school? I think we all know the answer there...

[Salero21]

I call her Loony Lizzie, she belongs in the Loony bin. She's also a Commie, a Con, and a Crook like Bernie.

[Oli]

>article: her DNA test doesn't matter
>commenters: BUT HER DNA TEST

[dafmatok]

wow, she is indian as much as trump is an Eskimo,
people in America are losing it.
dafmatok.co.il

[mtrueman]

"as much as trump is an Eskimo,"

Trump's grandad made a fortune running a whorehouse in the Klondike during the gold rush. It's not improbable that Trump has his own shameful secrets about his ancestry.

[HANSENWT]

I agree on all fronts...the troubling thing about the American Indian thing is she just can't let it go and she obviously went way out of her way to find someone that would "corroborate" and not discuss all the other possibilities. I don't even think the Boston Globe article mentions that she matched up to South American Indians because they had no North American Indian samples....but it doesn't matter she should be well aware that she is and was raised a white girl...she is not quading down because of Trump, she is doing it to maintain street cred with the Progressive Diversity Identity Politics driven Dems....which she will need against Kamala Harris who I expect to be the front runner ultimately. The payoff is even bigger if she is the first Native American nominee or President (Obama got 65 mil on his first book as the first half black President)....so it is entirely selfish instead of just leaving it where it was. This is all transparent to her character which no one should want her anywhere near Washington DC except wearing a pink hat out in the cold.

[HANSENWT]

I agree on all fronts...the troubling thing about the American Indian thing is she just can't let it go and she obviously went way out of her way to find someone that would "corroborate" and not discuss all the other possibilities. I don't even think the Boston Globe article mentions that she matched up to South American Indians because they had no North American Indian samples....but it doesn't matter she should be well aware that she is and was raised a white girl...she is not quading down because of Trump, she is doing it to maintain street cred with the Progressive Diversity Identity Politics driven Dems....which she will need against Kamala Harris who I expect to be the front runner ultimately. The payoff is even bigger if she is the first Native American nominee or President (Obama got 65 mil on his first book as the first half black President)....so it is entirely selfish instead of just leaving it where it was. This is all transparent to her character which no one should want her anywhere near Washington DC except wearing a pink hat out in the cold.

[HANSENWT]

I agree on all fronts...the troubling thing about the American Indian thing is she just can't let it go and she obviously went way out of her way to find someone that would "corroborate" and not discuss all the other possibilities. I don't even think the Boston Globe article mentions that she matched up to South American Indians because they had no North American Indian samples....but it doesn't matter she should be well aware that she is and was raised a white girl...she is not quading down because of Trump, she is doing it to maintain street cred with the Progressive Diversity Identity Politics driven Dems....which she will need against Kamala Harris who I expect to be the front runner ultimately. The payoff is even bigger if she is the first Native American nominee or President (Obama got 65 mil on his first book as the first half black President)....so it is entirely selfish instead of just leaving it where it was. This is all transparent to her character which no one should want her anywhere near Washington DC except wearing a pink hat out in the cold.

[MabelPotter89]

Stay at home mom Kelly Richards from New York after resigning from her full time job managed to average from $6000-$8000 a month from freelancing at home... This is how she done it
.......
???USA~JOB-START