Libertarian Republican Sen. Jeff Flake Will Not Run for Re-Election (UPDATED)
"There may not be a place for a Republican like me in the current Republican climate or the current Republican Party."

Republican Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake, known for his libertarian leanings and more recently for his critique of President Donald Trump's behavior, announced today he will not be running for re-election next year.
He will serve out the rest of his term, but he told the Arizona Republic, "there may not be a place for a Republican like me in the current Republican climate or the current Republican Party."
He explained further that he simply could not toe the line with the president's restrictionist attitudes on trade and immigration:
"Here's the bottom line: The path that I would have to travel to get the Republican nomination is a path I'm not willing to take, and that I can't in good conscience take," Flake told The Republic in a telephone interview. "It would require me to believe in positions I don't hold on such issues as trade and immigration and it would require me to condone behavior that I cannot condone."
He's giving speech on the Senate floor this afternoon (at the time of this blog post, actually). The Arizona Republic got a copy of his prepared statement:
"We must never regard as 'normal' the regular and casual undermining of our democratic norms and ideals," Flake says in his remarks as prepared for delivery. "We must never meekly accept the daily sundering of our country — the personal attacks, the threats against principles, freedoms, and institutions, the flagrant disregard for truth or decency, the reckless provocations, most often for the pettiest and most personal reasons, reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with the fortunes of the people that we have all been elected to serve.
UPDATE: Here is the full text of Flake's remarks
UPDATE II: CNN has posted the video of the Senate speech online:
There will be more to come on the fallout and consequences of Flake's decisions (plus whatever Trump tweets). In the meantime, watch Flake speak at a Reason's 40th anniversary gala in 2008 below:
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Flake is libertarian? WE BELIEVE YOU!
This freakin dildo uses Cultural Marxist language and smear labels. "While promoting his book to the media elites, Flake has blasted pro-Trump Republicans for being "xenophobic" and their "nativism."
"Flake is libertarian" makes me want to vomit a little.
Flake hearkens back to a time when Democrats and Republicans were allegedly united by a bipartisan spirit and "felt an institutional loyalty that would frequently create bonds across party lines in defense of congressional prerogatives in a unified front against the White House, regardless of the president's party."
Clearly DC Cartel material
Well, are they not xenophobic and nativist? I mean, a ton of them think that the Mexicans are stealing their jobs, raping their cattle, and stealing the taxes from the people who stole the taxes from them. And Trump is pretty openly nativist - he's got a core plank of his platform that requires heavy punishment for anyone who trades with anyone outside the US. That's pretty freakin' nativist to me.
That's not 'cultural Marxist language' and of course its a smear label. These people are doing things he dissaproves of and so he's labeling them. You just called him a 'dildo' - which is also a 'smear label'.
Hell, 'Cultural Marxist' is a fucking smear label.
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I keep hearing Flake described as a Libertarian but other than some budget issues he is a right wing religious conservative. What Libertarian would support making the Patriot Act permanent allowing spying on Americans without a warrant law forever.
As for his criticisms of Trump, he is leaving because he would lose. Channeling his inner Hilary to blame others.
Pretty much. It isn't Trump's fault he's trailing badly in the polls.
FTFY
(laughing) Bad Bluff, Flake is the psycho right, like the Paulista Cult.
I think 'theologically statist' is more accurately descriptive.
True on accuracy. But doesn't ridicule buybuy's wacky attack.
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Cucks lose... but your mom wins!
"We must never meekly accept the daily sundering of our country ? the personal attacks, the threats against principles, freedoms, and institutions, the flagrant disregard for truth or decency, the reckless provocations, most often for the pettiest and most personal reasons, reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with the fortunes of the people that we have all been elected to serve.
These are the words of an anthem kneeler.
"the daily sundering of our country"
God how I hate people who talk like this.
Too many syllables?
It'll be interesting if McCain dies to see AZ have to elect two senators. Flake was pretty good, and I only hope we get a better one than him.
No. You get worse. Much, much worse.
Probably this.
Yeah... I know.
Why do you think Trump pardoned Sheriff Joe?
Triggerpocalypse!
For the people of Arizona to vote for former Maricopa county Sheriff Joe Arpaio would indicate that they have been suckered. Joe Arpaio wasted millions and millions of dollars due to incompetence in his jail system. He arrested the principles of the Phoenix New Times in the middle of the night and jailed them because he could. I hope he takes his campaign fund and uses it to compensate the taxpayers of Maricopa county that have paid for his poor job behavior.
If you want a fine example of what Joe Arpaio is all about I hope that you will read the book If There Were Any Victims by BIll Louis the former assistant police chief of El Mirage, AZ.
http://www.iftherewereanyvicti.....uthor.html
Kelli Ward is like Christine O'Connell - except not as attractive.
Basically Sharonn Angle.
Which clearly is a step up from Corporate DC Cartel members Woodstock Acid head Pelosi and 'I Will Go and Take Trump Out Tonight' Waters
Not as attractive as Christine (I am not a witch) O'Connell, but just as crazy.
0/3. Kelly Ward. Christine O'Donnell. Sharron Angle. After you learn to spell, maybe you can visit all 57 states.
If McCain drops dead in the next few hours, I don't know if I'll be able to restrain my celebration.
Get ready for Senator McMuffin!
"Flake was pretty good, and I only hope we get a better one than him."
Don't hold your breath. I lived in AZ for 10 years and from what I've seen (mostly on facebook I admit) AZ republicans want more of what Trump is selling.
Also, see DD's comment below.
The Mormon ticket is fairly strong in AZ, as is the Hispanic, and so I don't know if given a full field of choices that a Trump style would necessarily win, but that I definitely a fear I have.
That being said, I would be surprised if we do worse than McCain who is basically a monster and is probably responsible for many, many deaths.
"The Mormon ticket is fairly strong in AZ, as is the Hispanic, and so I don't know if given a full field of choices that a Trump style would necessarily win, but that I definitely a fear I have."
Mormons have been strange about Trump, at least the ones I know in AZ. They started out supporting Trump because... well they republicans and so is he apparently. Also he wasn't Hillary.
But the ones I know, now seem to support Trump so much they've turned their back on Flake, who is also Mormon BTW.
Really? I'm surprised to hear that. I know that Mormons were willing to go Trump given no other option, but it's still Arizona and so I imagine that this will end as a race between Republicans of sorts, and at that point their is more place for them to choose a candidate more closely aligned to their views.
Though, that being said, Mormons aren't exactly libertarian either.
The Mormons I know is AZ tend to lean... somewhat libertarian (sorta like Flake, who comes from Mesa which is full of Mormons?) yet here we are.
Yeah, I first heard of Flake when my family moved to Mess when I was a kid. He was a rep still. I was sad to see his financial restraint had lessened while in the Senate.
I didn't follow Flake to much after leaving AZ, except for the occasional Reason post.
Fun fact: I used to work out at the same gym as Flake. I'd always see him at the stationary bike. I never had the ballz to approach him.
Fun fact: I used to work out at the same gym as Flake. I'd always see him at the stationary bike. I never had the ballz to approach him.
Must have really made your faggot pee pee tingle.
BUCS, his financial restraint died when he got to the Senate. He hasn't been "libertarian" in a damned long time.
I am a Utah Mormon and can provide some perspective.
Trump was not close to my first choice but he was an easy choice over Hillary. I personally detest the man but I have been pleased with his regulatory rollback, his desire to get something done in Washington, and his court picks.
Even if Flake disagrees with Trump I can't see any benefit to blocking his agenda. The liberal media runs 10 hit stories per day against Trump, they don't need any help from Republican Senators.
I consider myself a pragmatic Libertarian, and I think that describes a lot of Mormons. Remember Reid is supposedly a Mormon also and you can see that is no guarantee of honesty or benefit to the country.
A Mormon arguing for the "lesser of 2 evils" sounds pretty hypocritical given their beliefs and history.
"Reid is supposedly a Mormon..."
Reid IS a Mormon.
I don't understand your point. Should a Mormon pick the greater of 2 evils?
Should a Mormon stand on principle and not vote? That sounds like a question that is asked around here all the time.
People are imperfect and politicians are less perfect than others. Mormons by nature are pragmatic and understanding of human flaws.
Reid is a Mormon. Just not a very good one.
Doesn't get any more liberty loving than Mormonism. Freedom baby!
Mike Lee is very good by US Senate standards.
And I'd vote for him in AZ. Though I keep forgetting I live in Washington now.
Mormons are more libertarian than most demographics. At least outside of Utah they are. Most of them can name an ancestor who was killed/lynched/imprisoned/expelled - from a place in the US - for some belief. In Flake's case, his greatgreatgreatgrandfather was killed in CA and his greatgreatgrandfather was imprisoned in AZ.
IMO any LDS church member that takes free agency seriously should be a libertarian.
McCain and his buddy Graham could throw darts at a world map and find a reason for US military intervention any place they landed.
We don't need any Republicans like Trump slashing regulations at every turn and passing the biggest tax reform in the last 50 years. We want true libertarians like Flake who believe in unlimited taxes to support unlimited welfare for unlimited Mexicans'n'Muslims. Freedom baby!
YESS! But be VERRY careful. You could ruin your keyboard
If that drool running down your chin ....
So much winning!
The age of the RINOsaurs is over!
#MAGA
Yeah, that 30% of the voters is POWERFUL.
You're obsolete.
We won't. We'll get two senators that will be a combination of McCain and Meecham.
Two steps forward, one and a half back. That's the way AZ works.
I consider it more likely that McCain is forced out due to deteriorating health. He should have resigned already. Only his total arrogance and spite are keeping him in office.
Like only your raging hatred keeps you posting here?
Flake, perhaps the most appropriately named member of Congress in history.
Nominative determinism
The headline puns are going to be excruciating.
Your lampshading is noted.
With Jeff Snowflake out and Judge Roy Moore in the Senate will lean more libertarian, we'll 3 or 4 of 'em anyways.
Are you writing on a phone? My phone corrects well to "we'll" a lot and that would explain your writing style.
Yes. My spelling is perfect w/o autocorrect.
SIV's writing style is explainable entirely as a symptom of chicken-transmitted STDs.
These days I tend to assume most weird spelling errors or word substitutions (if instead of or, for example) are the fault of phones and autocorrect. If only because the number of times I've seen my own phone make such substitutions.
Libertarians have been fiscally conservative and socially liberal since 1959.
Moore is a Christian Taliban.
Moore is a Constitutionist that happens to be Christian.
He's a Christianist who likes to shit on the constitution, but close.
If you replaced 'Christian' with 'progressive atheist' in that sentence, you would be fawning like a little girl over him.
Seriously Tony, your lack of self awareness is truly breathtaking.
Yeah, like Ron Paul is a constitutionalist (lol).
At least not a rot-brained retarded sister-fucking old man shitting in his diapers like Michael Hihn, waiting for the 2nd coming of his Lord and Saviour Billy Weld.
I LOVE Ron Paul supporters!!
Support the Christian Taliban! See a goddamn queer?. Stone it to death! And STONE every infidel, per Deuteronomy 13. As the God and Founders intended.
George Wallace, Orval Faubus and Ron Paul forever!
Moore is more libertarian than Flake like 2% Milk is more combustible than vegetable oil.
I'll believe that Roy Moore leans when he votes against a budget bill with Rand Paul. Until then he is just another Mike Lee wannabee (who doesn't lean much IMO).
Good point! We already know he and Rand Paul would hold tent revivals, nationwide, to protest the severe threat to America of marriage equality. It's a threat to MY marriage ... and MY liberty ... EVERY tine two queers "marry" ... anywhere in America.
Sex is ONLY for procreation! GOD SAID SO, by creating humans as the ONLY species that can enjoy sex ... WITHOUT the female being in heat. Errrr.....
What I want to see is enough conservative pushback against both Ryan And McConnell. Then maybe they can get some useful shit done. ACA repeal would be nice.
Agree. But how would we also destroy the Democrat Party?
Given that his approval rating is currently 18% and Kelli Ward is whomping him in the polls by double digits, it wouldn't be a great leap to interpret "choose not to run" as "got run out of town on a rail".
Well, reading her website makes her look like a generic conservative with good and bad. But no politician's website gives us much information at all.
I think it's the open borders thing that did him in. That isn't gonna win you much of anything these days, unless you're running for a punch in the face.
Indeed. Being pro open borders is awe fully tome deaf these days.
Well, she's an osteopath so, hopefully she'll promote all kinds of hippy-dippy woo-woo healthcare bullshit.
I avoid doctors but when I need to see one (thankfully very rarely) I go to an osteopath. They're really no different than M.D.s but any little bit helps.
If a D.O.is helping you, that's great, but the underlying theory of Osteopathy is still woo-woo. Chiropractors can help you like physical therapists or a masseur can, too. For more complicated healing, I'd stay away from a bonecracker.
Kevin R
If you read your own link it explains that DOs in the US are essentially indistinguishable from MDs.
I had a gynecological resident forty years ago, while in medical school.. The only thing he did different was crack backs. There is no telling what "hands on" care does for patients, nowadays! There is so much "hands off" treatment that one wonders why people keep going!? Human contact seems to be very helpful in some patient groups.
The plus to a DO is that they can prescribe drugs. Which mine would usually do more easily than my GP. Unfortunately, my DO died recently. So after twenty years, I'm stuck building a doctor patient relationship all over again. My DO knew me enough to know if I asked for pain killers, I really needed them, and gave me pretty much anything I asked for. Not anymore. Now it's like being treated as an addict if I dare ask for 10 mg hydros.
If Ward couldn't beat McCain, but she can beat Flake, AZ is so fucked.
Arpaio proves t.
In Arizona, apparently being a warmonger is the main criterion.
So at this moment the most likely next US Senator from Arizona is a bisexual atheist woman. Hm.
I think Craig Britton still has a shot.
It would fit the pattern of Republicans finding the next-slimiest creature after the last to elevate to high office.
Pornographers are a deeply underrepresented minority in the Senate
Not really. Every senator is in the business of making sure lots of people get fucked.
Tony, the scum you worship include vicious murderers, serial rapists, pedophiles, and practitioners of high treason. So of course you call out republicans for their ethics.
Typical shitbag progtard. Now go drink your fucking Drano.
Says the typical self-righteous contard.
Why do you insist on making Tony look so morally superior to you and your fellow rightwing fascists?
FYI.
"Kyrsten believes the terms non-theist, atheist or nonbeliever are not befitting of her life's work or personal character,"
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/f.....n-atheist/
The FULL quote:
"Kyrsten believes the terms non-theist, atheist or nonbeliever are not befitting of her life's work or personal character," Unga said in email. "She does not identify as any of the above."
She's merely secular and supports Separation. Like Washington, Adams, Jefferson and the Founding Fathers overall.
You're just trying to get me hot.
Kyrsten Sinema (D) vs Kelli Ward (R)
CHICKENFIGHT!
I like the bi chick.
She had me at, 'wealth redistribution'.
"We must never regard as 'normal' the regular and casual undermining of our democratic norms and ideals," Flake says in his remarks as prepared for delivery. "We must never meekly accept the daily sundering of our country ? the personal attacks, the threats against principles, freedoms, and institutions, the flagrant disregard for truth or decency, the reckless provocations, most often for the pettiest and most personal reasons, reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with the fortunes of the people that we have all been elected to serve."
that covers the last President and Hillary pretty well so to me it sounds like the day to day workings of DC since its inception but of course now TRUMP
No it doesn't. It's his own party. If Trump were remotely normal, he wouldn't say those things. You're being stupid. Trump is an unprecedented freakshow, and you goddamn well know it. Either that or the frat fucks and bimbos on FOX are really earning their paychecks.
"Ron" might actually be that stupid.
Trump is just really bad at lying and spews off ridiculous bullshit about insignificant things. His actual actions and what his administration has actually done is not unprecedented in any way at all.
When it comes to the lies about actual policy and our military actions, the Trump administration is not worse than any other president.
Thankfully, with a President Trump, our press is actually doing their fucking job after 8 years of acting like Pravda. That is the only saving grace about it all. Granted, once a Democrat is back in office they'll go right back to being cheerleaders.
Eh, the last crisis still devolved into discussion s about Trump being rude versus why we are in Niger to begin with. They're being critical, which is good, but not asking many good questions.
^ this
Four American soldiers died from an ambush while patrolling a forest in Niger. Why don't the Niger-ites (or whatever they call themselves) patrol their own forests?
Thankfully, with a President Trump, our press is actually doing their fucking job after 8 years of acting like Pravda
Are they? Sure, they are very critical of Trump. But I have yet to hear someone question why we have troops in Niger, as opposed to questioning how Trump handled their deaths.
The media lost its mind so badly, it doesn't matter what they say because no one listens to them anymore.
Just shut up and obey. He's the best president ever, after all, and definitely not a monumental fucking freakshow, so why not just let him govern without any pesky scrutiny?
Just shut up and obey. He's the best president ever, after all, and definitely not a monumental fucking freakshow, so why not just let him govern without any pesky scrutiny?
Literally exactly what Tony said about Obama. Maybe if Trump pulled down his pants and exposed a massive black cock Tony could recover.
I LOVE Ron Paul supporters!
That's WHY I founded Infowars.
A foundation for the FOURTH Reich!
Colorblind, the press is in NO WAY doing their fucking job. They just mindlessly attack and distort, irrespective and/or devoid of any facts. Look at this Russia probe bullshit. No evidence whatsoever. Yet Hillary, who was absolutely in cahoots with them, is getting zero attention from these assholes. Even though she almost certainly committed high treason.
Them doing their job would be to report on things related to Trump that are actually real. Both good and bad. They will never do that. Republican bad, democrat good.
His and his administration's ineptitude is unprecedented in my lifetime. His total disregard for actual governance is unprecedented in my lifetime. The way he undermines and picks petty fights with members of his own administration is unprecedented in my lifetime.
Remember when someone would criticize Obama and someone else would say "But Bush"? Let's not do that with Trump. He is awful. No need to qualify that any further.
His and his administration's ineptitude is unprecedented in my lifetime.
This. It is not much different to call him inept over a liar for ignorant bullshit he says like "The Iran deal is the worst deal in history" because he doesn't know what is in it. He doesn't know what is in NAFTA. His own people want to keep the Iran deal - Mattis, Tillerson, etc. They know Iran gave up its nuke weapon program for 15 years.
Inept or a liar?
Inept or a liar?
As usual, the answer is "both"
The Iran deal is one of the worst if not the worst deal in history. Obama gave Iran billions of dollars in unmarked cash in return for nothing. All he did was fund their missile and nuclear programs. It was a horrendous strategic blunder that the world will be paying for decades.
Call me when Trump ships billions of dollars in cash to one of the world's most dangerous and warlike regimes.
Obama didn't "give" them shit, you moron. He unfroze their own assets.
It wasn't their assets. IT was assets that belonged to the old regime that they wanted to loot. And he gave it all to them.
Yeah, but you're wasting your time speaking truth here, a nesting ground for Fox, Breitbart, WND and Infowars,
You are an idiot Nolan. Those assets didn't belong to them. Those assets belonged to the former government. They were only frozen in the sense that the US wouldn't let them steal them.
(smirk)
That's like saying American assets belong to Obama.
And how does ANY of that convert the ownership of those assets to the US?
We libertarians would say the assets belong to the PEOPLE
It's proggies who have NO respect for property.
I agree with all that. However, I'm not aware we took the money for ourselves, as opposed to keeping it from a regime that took over at gunpoint and does not have the support of it's own people. Although if there were an internal popular uprising that replaced the current theocratic despotism with a government that was backed by the people and didn't sponsor acts of terror, then most certainly that money should be returned in full.
John, just a heads up. Nolan is a Hihn sock.
How would that make him any less confused? Or make you seem adult?
It wasn't really theirs. They took over the country, and we kept them from stealing said assets.
Either way, John is correct about the result, it I'm sure you cheered Obama on anyway. You being an enemy of humanity.
When you sink THAT low into the gutter, he has kicked your sorry ass.
Again.
If you think Iran gave up on its Nuke program then you are the stupid one. they already aren't abiding by the deal and you think the bogus deal by Obama was good. now that is fucking stupid.
You calling me stupid was one hell of an argument point now wasn't it.
Trump Administration Again Certifies Iran Is Complying With Nuclear Deal
Announcement delayed several hours by internal administration debate
Wall Street Journal
Let's wait for the final word from Hans Blix before we jump to any conclusions.
His and his administration's ineptitude is unprecedented in my lifetime
I love how people say this shit and then never give a single example of what they are talking about. What exactly has Trump done that you consider to be the most inept thing in your lifetime? Seriously, think about what you are saying. I really curious what has happened in the last eight months that counts as the most inept government in your life time.
This. It is not much different to call him inept over a liar for ignorant bullshit he says like "The Iran deal is the worst deal in history" because he doesn't know what is in it. He doesn't know what is in NAFTA. His own people want to keep the Iran deal - Mattis, Tillerson, etc. They know Iran gave up its nuke weapon program for 15 years.
Inept or a liar?
No border wall, no ACA repeal, no Muslim ban, no tax reform, no killing NAFTA/Iran deal, etc etc etc
Trump is a failure by his own accord.
Hey dumb ass, that is Congress that does those things. Trump would have happily signed anything Congress gave him. You are just telling me Congress is incompetent.
And illegal immigration is down like 80%. Trump is also on track to be the first President in history to leave with fewer government regulations than when he was elected. And on top of that, he is completely dismantling Obama's administrative actions. By 2020, it will be like Obama was never in office, which will actually be a boon to Democrats as the country forgets what an idiot he actually was.
he has seven more years to accomplish what he wanted.
And what exactly did Obama ever get through Congress other than the porkulus and Obamacare? He literally did nothing except pay off the Iranians and destroy Libya and help destroy Syria and Iraq during his last six years in office.
- The first attempt at the travel ban
- Being completely unaware of what were in the various Obamacare repeal/replace attempts
- Getting key points about the powers and responsibilities of the executive branch wrong
- Actively undermining his own Secretary of State
Do you want me to go on? Or do you want to argue that the Trump administration is actually functional and doing a good job of executing the President's governing agenda?
The first attempt at the travel ban
The travel ban has been found constitutional by every appellate court that has looked at it. The fact that a partisan judge struck it down initially is no reflection on Trump. That same judge struck down every travel ban that came before him and has always been overruled. Try again,
eing completely unaware of what were in the various Obamacare repeal/replace attempts
Congress doesn't know what was in those bills. the people who wrote them don't know what was in them. Moreover, even if he should know, none of them ever got out of Congress for him to sign. So what difference does it make.
Getting key points about the powers and responsibilities of the executive branch wrong
I don't know what that means. That is just more bullshit assertions. What key points? Sorry but you need to give examples not just make shit up.
Actively undermining his own Secretary of State
He is his boss. He is under no obligation to support him. It is the SOS's job to support Trump. Moreover, how has he undermined him and what does that mean in the real world? Nothing as far as I can see.
John, well said. Thank you for saving me the trouble.
Meanwhile, Lynchpin, do you really think the petty bullshit you listed is worse than Obama bombing Libya and leaving it as a failed state? Or Clinton destroying our long-term relationship with Russia to fight an illegal war against Syria over Kosovo? Or George Bush invading Iraq with no clue how he was going to occupy it or replace the existing government? The list goes on and on.
Again, do you really believe that? Are you just virtue signaling here? Or are you really that stupid?
Again, do you really believe that? Are you just virtue signaling here? Or are you really that stupid?
He'd have to gain about 40 IQ points to get up to that stupid.
Your idiotic histrionics are unprecedented. Nothing else. Give it a few more years to sober up off the Obama cum and maybe you can regain your composure.
I LOVE Ron Paul supporters!
Marching together to the FOURTH Reich.
And AGAINST the ass-fucking faggots!!
Goose-stepping for liberty!
Norms of basic human decency aren't nothing. Whether our country is a laughingstock to the entire planet isn't nothing.
So his one virtue is he lets the sleazefucks who run the Republican party do all his thinking for him. I'm sure you were so forgiving of the last guy to hold the job.
Tony I think leaving that ambassador to die was an affront to human decency. So was letting Asad use chemical weapons was as well. I have to give you credit Tony, you seem to be starting to understand just what a disgrace Obama was.
Just stop fucking watching FOX News for Christ's sake. I know you have the capacity for somewhat rational thought. Your brain is just done pickled, that's all.
At this point I'm downright impressed by the cognitive dissonance that appears to be completely genuine. Bravo. Maybe Roger Ailes was a piker compared to whatever shitstains they have running the propaganda machine now. I mean you'd have to be really fucking sealed in the bubble to say the crap you say.
I don't watch Fox News. Obama leaving those people to die and then blaiming it on a video was on CNN. So was Assad gasing those people and Obama standing around doing nothing.
Trump didn't even fucking know there were people in the country where he left them to die. He couldn't even find the country on the map. He thinks Chad is a butler at Mar a Lago. On top of that he insulted the grieving wife of one of the dead.
Benghazi!! Give me a fucking break. I'd say this is beneath you, but fucktarded is as fucktarded does.
Hey John, how many congressional investigations should go into Trump's alleged crimes? As many, fewer, or more than were done for Benghazi?
When Trump destroys evidence and commits perjury maybe we should treat him the same way as the woman who destroyed evidence and committed perjury.
He already did, chump.
Tony, that entire rant was just a combination of lies, distortions, and general orgtard bullshit. Quit buying into all the bullshit on Media Matters talking points.
One of the many of Hil-Dog's great failings is that she didn't personally attack the Orange Fucking Moron - like his own people are now.
One of the many...
Because you know, no one in the media or any of Hillary's supporters ever attacked Trump during the campaign. She just let Trump win out of kindness. Hillary lost because she just wasn't mean and unpleasant enough. Shreek is always good for to put it politely "unique" takes on politics.
It's a fine like to walk when you're a, you know, "cunt who deserves to be hanged."
Hillary is a felon but not guilty of any capital crimes.
At some point Trumptards will have a choice. Well, they won't, they are entirely predictable. Mueller will finish the investigation, the tards will call him fake news, a conspiracy theory, a chemtrail climategate Pizzagate whatever. But politicians will have a choice. Take the cover that Mueller offers them and declare that they have no choice but to get rid of the man (before he does anymore damage). Or they can follow the tards off the cliffs of insanity. To date only the ones who won't or can't win reelection are willing to say what they think. I presume this state of affairs will cause absolutely no introspection on your part with respect to the company you keep.
Are 'tards fair game now? 'Cause I'd like to go back to using that term.
What are they gonna do, drool about it?
We probably need a special investigation to look into Uranium One.
Russia is bad. Questions need answers. Impartiality is necessary. Documents must be subpoenaed. For the sake of democracy, yadda yadda yadda.
Your psychotic felon cunt queen still doesn't get the office even if your delusional fever dreams ever actually came to pass.
I LOVE Ron Paul supporters!
All hail the coming FOURTH REICH.
Everyone's just been so nice to Trump since about 2015.
It's out of their decency and good will, obviously.
Whenever I see a reason article that tries to claim some Republican as "libertarian", I always wonder how self-deluded they have to be.
It's a little hard to see clearly when you're in the middle of a Libertarian Moment.
You're probably also ignorant of Goldwater, Reagan and Buckley, all fleshing out the GOP's now-dead libertarian wing.
I agree with you about Goldwater and Buckley. But Reagan? Absolutely not, Reagan was a pragmatic conservative not a libertarian. Even calling him a small "l" libertarian is a stretch. His rhetoric was good though.
There's a lot of brainwashing about Reagan ... mostly based on ignorance and bullshit. Reagan and Goldwater were defending gays in the 70s ... two decades before Clinton shamelessly signed both DOMA and DADT, and three decades before Obama evolved.
Reagan scored a MAJOR defeat over the extreme Christian Right. Google the Briggs Initiative, to ban gay school teachers. It was leading in the polls until Reagan came out against it, forcefully It lost in a landslide, the first defeat for the nationwide, anti-gay Anita Bryant Crusade, which then collapsed, brought down by Reagan. His best line was that gay teachers are no threat to our children because homosexuality is not communicable, like measles!
Now Google the Grace Commission, which sent accountants and managers into federal departments, to propose massive spending cuts, which would have cut the deficit $10 trillion by 2000. When it was buried, in a REPUBLICAN Senate, he began promoting a Line Item Veto ? over his own party.
Now New Federalism, a detailed attempt to consolidate government programs at ONE level, state or federal, to hold SOMEONE accountable. (Like instead of welfare being run at 2-3 different levels, with NO overall accountability.). That came VERY close, but Congress fucked the states, as they are now for Medicaid. TEMPORARY block grants.
Fiscally conservative, socially liberal and the most radical reform on governance since the Constitution.
Anything else?
We know you really, really like fucking butts Mikey Hihn. But that's not actually got anything to do with libertarianism.
I LOVE Ron Paul supporters!
We authoritarians are always infantile, trash-talking bullie.. And who the fuck believes libertarians are socially liberal ... except ass-fuckers like the founder of the Libertarian Party, the Cato Institute, The World's Smallest Political Quiz, Advocates for Self-Government, and the so-called libertarian establishment..
And your tiny ... hands! ONWARD TO THE FOURTH REICH!
Jeff Flake's enthusiasm for the centralization of health care under federal authority surely disqualifies him from being called an actual libertarian.
You would think. But to reason being a libertarian begins and ends with gays, open borders, and pot. Everything else is just eccentricity. As long as you are pro open borders, pro anything the gays demand, and pro-legalization of pot, you can be a full-on socialist, or a full on gun grabber and still be a Libertarian in good standing with reason.
That seems to be at least approximately the case these days. You'll be scolded for unaccountably being on the wrong side on a bunch of issues, but still be considered "libertarian". Meanwhile Trumpettes seem to be doing much more for individual liberty overall, yet they'll be counted merely as stopped clocks who are right twice a day.
Like Ron Paul! It's all part of our Master Plan.
SQUASHING those fucking fags. Call out Gold Star Widows as fucking liars. SHIT all over the Constitution. Campaign on a 60% tax cit for HIM and his cronies!
Ron Paul is the intellectual flounder of the alt-right. Donald Trump arose to be our Savior.
Loving liberty is bullshit. HATING GOVERNMENT is our Salvation. Onward to the Fourth Reich!
A shameful lie. Which John, of course, swallowed.
He supported the plan proposed by that fucking socialist ... Ted Cruz.!
I was kinda looking at his stances on gay marriage and the Patriot Act. The ACLU gave him 27%, his liberty scorecard is an F.
Nobody liked the guy's politics, not sure why Reason wants to claim him as one of our own.
Same as Ron Paul. Or Rand. More "proof" of that libertarian moment ... when the movement is actually a zombie, walking dead for over a decade. In the real world, fiscally conservative and socially conservative is ... conservative!
Left - Right = Zero
hallelujah! when it comes to foreign replacements workers on H-1b/L-1b visas Flake is as bad as it gets.
Open borders are a dead loser. Flake had his virtues but he chose to die on the hill of open borders. Oh well, he go make his millions on K street as a pay back for all of the cronies he helped out with the HB1 program.
And the Progressitarian tears do flow
Flake's "Libertarian" credentials: his support for unfettered mass immigration. Which, along with pot legalization, sums up the pathetic libertarian *Weltanschaung."
Only to the brainwashed and/or ignorant.
Which describes most of Libertariana.
How little you know ....
Shit in your diapers some more, buttfucker.
I LOVE Ron Paul supporters!
Just to be clear, we don't ALL share your fascination with ass-fucking and cock-sucking which, psychology teaches us, is how you people repress your latent homosexuality.,
Flake gave up his "libertarian" creds a long time ago.
At birth.
the personal attacks, the threats against principles, freedoms, and institutions, the flagrant disregard for truth or decency, the reckless provocations, most often for the pettiest and most personal reasons
That's called "New York values". Loud, lewd, crude, boorish, vulgar, boastful, vain, petty.... it's a stereotype of a New Yorker for a reason. It's the same reason the joke's about a tourist in New York stopping a passer-by and asking, "Excuse me, sir, can you tell me where the Empire State Building is, or should I just go fuck myself?" and not a tourist in San Francisco looking for the Golden Gate Bridge or a tourist in St. Louis looking for the Gateway Arch. Trump's a fucking goombah.
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THEY HURT MY FEEWINGS!
Yet more destruction of the GOP by Trump. Not that there was much left anyhow.
Both parties are imploding A growing majority of Americans has no loyalty to either tribe. This gives a louder voice and more power to the hardcore fanatics in each party .. which drives more away ... which makes each tribe even wackier ... which repels even more, etc. etc. etc. . A death spiral.
What could be more deadly than Warren and Bernie on the left, versus Trump and Cruz on the right? Two opposing tribes of bellowing blowhards -- less than 40% of the electorate combined --- fighting to see submarine will crash to the ocean bottom first. Increasingly, we're being governed by a shrill minority. In the politics of hatred, HILLARY LOST is a greater triumph than TRUMP WON.
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Time to start learning Chinese.
Yeah, the Republicans just own the Congress, the White House, the Supreme Court and 2/3rds of the state houses. They sure are imploding. And sorry but it takes a better IQ than your 90 to learn Chinese as a Westerner.
Thanks for proving my point about power lust.
Bannon will give you a cookie.
They are not imploding. They are in better shape than they have ever been. That doesn't mean they are right. But not liking them doesn't change reality or make pretending they are imploding cause you to look any less stupid.
I read the current polls. You're stuck in the last election.
They've already im0plodede on healthcare alone. How fucking stupid is it to make Obamacare APPROVED BY A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ... once they saw the GOP has NOTHING. Trumpcare's approval is 18%
First, they (dumbfuck GOP) REFUSED the Obamacare deal, a private and competitive non-profit .... AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO SINGLE PAYER, Now, even crazier, their Medicare cuts alone could destroy them.
Do you know anything? Anything at all? Like Americans have ALWAYS been wiling to pay for treatment for the uninsured, regardless of income ... right up to the launch of Medicaid. .
Do you even know this care was provided by charity hospitals, financed by churches and private charities? Umm, we call that FREE MARKET OUTCOME, Ever hear of THAT?
So ... if Republicans are too fucking stupid to evolve back to FREE MARKET OUTCOMES ... that leaves progressives with the ONLY approach people are WILLING TO PAY FOR.
DUH
You're WAY over your head here.
Or, what if they had accepted the bipartisan deal on Obamacare? Huh?
Single-payer health care: Mikey Hihn libertarianism.
Obammycare covers your diapers, so just go sit in the corner and shit in them like a good demented little retard, Mikey.
FUCK THE FREE MARKET THAT HIHN DEFENDS!
I wonder if there is a connection between cheating to win and being completely incapable of governing.
Yeah Tony. they cheated. They used special mind control to get the Democrats to spend years expressing total contempt for large areas of the country and most of the voting population. You called it.
So contempt for large areas of the country is what makes people lose elections.
I suppose all us coastal liberal elitist faggots aren't quite as good at choosing the mots justes?
You could at least live on the coast.
Yes, Tony, calling 50+% of the country racist or deplorable or privileged or sociopaths does lose you elections.
And you know what, you're doing it even more than you did before the last election. You're going to get absolutely trounced again.
What about Republicans, who are even worse on the hatred and conspiracy scales? And ... Faux News!
Left - Right = Zero
Mikey Hihn is an expert consultant on losing elections. Just as his buddy Billy Weld.
50% of Trump supporters are deplorable. Get it right, asshole. And that's being extremely generous.
Tony is a deplorable, dumb ass dip shit who believes in stealing other people's money and controlling them. Fuck off, fucktard, go back to looking at gay porn in your mother's basement.
Libertarian?!?!
WTF?!?!
Who the fuck calls this clown libertarian?
I've known him since he was a local state representative and his ranching family before then. He began back-stabbing libertarians beginning more than 2 decades ago. We in the state party have been declaring him the true statist he is ever since then.
Seriously,...whomever bought into tnat bullshit never talked to any of us at the AZLP.
He's the least possible libertarian type of Republican.
The people here love him!
The same folks who say the Ron/Rand Paul Cult is libertarian.
True libertarians support single payer health care and reeducation camps for non-believers, like Mikey Hihn and his dom-daddy Billy Weld.
He says this--
As he lets us know he's decided to sit it out.
Thanks. Thanks a lot.
Loser.
Trump has still not said anything near as bad as Obama's bitter clingers or Hillary's deplorables. Trump calls out the elite, and that they cannot stand. Flake is a statist douche and a sore loser, good riddance.
How many moons circle YOUR planet? How many Presidents have called a Gold Star Widow a liar? And what sort of asshole blames another hero for being captured? Trump is just as vicious ... several times every single day .... TO HIS OWN PARTY!!
Even General Kelly said Trump lied about that phone call. But that's your tribe, right?
McCain and Bergdahl: legendary heroes of Mikey Hihn libertarianism.
Relevance?
"Libertarian" who thinks that a dead military relative should make one immune from contradiction in politics
TDS is mental illness
Pathetic evasion. By a cowardly bully.
"Flake's a Libertarian"
Own him suckers.
I'm shocked to see a Repub that actually has some balls to tell it like it is. Now all the rest of them will come forward and finally get rid of the Orange Joker.
And while you're still lapping up Hillary's cunt drool, Trump will still be shredding regulations and passing the biggest tax reform in a century. Keep at it.
Just one more reason we need gov out of schools.
to stop the spread of cultural Marxism propaganda amongst impressionable minds?
yay!
So much winning!
My takeaway from this is, when is the last time you saw someone refuse to change their beliefs to get elected? If you want to focus on his low approval rating, I think you're missing the point. He knew the situation, and could've slowly changed his tune to avoid a primary challenge, but he didn't. I think if integrity matters to you, we need to start rewarding it and not treating it like an afterthought. Although personally, I would've liked to see him run on what he believes, even if he lost. He could've made an even more profound point that way, but regardless, it was a great speech.
He's showcasing his lack of integrity by refusing to run on his convictions.
He's saying, 'I might lose, so I won't even try.'
He's saying, 'We---well you, have to fight for what's right, I'm going to go home.'
If you have so little faith in your beliefs that you won't even attempt to fight for them no one needs you.
Such a simple point to make .. when someone else is financing the campaign.
"If you have so little faith in your beliefs that you won't even attempt to fight for them no one needs you."
Wouldn't that presume the only place to fight for them is in elective office? I never thought I'd hear that on a libertarian site.
Hundreds of looter sockpuppets are sent here to convince us that a vote that forces them to repeal bad laws is a wasted vote. Whereas a vote that keeps the same looter kleptocracy taking turns with its evil twin politicians to rob, enslave and murder you is YOUR victory. That's their message:
Looter votes goood, Libertarian votes baaad!
Josh, do you see the phrase 'elective office' anywhere in what I said?
No?
Ah.
Jeff Flake has stepped boldly forward to say 'I'm running away.' He doesn't detail how he's going to keep up the fight-- though "he hasn't ruled out a 2020 prez run". As what? Head of the Quitter Party (motto--If it gets tough, we go home)?
It's Jeff who seems to think that the only place is elective office--and then only if you don't have to fight for what you believe in.
Given that we're talking about whether or not he should run for elective office again, I hope you'll forgive my assumption.
You just lied about your own comment!
This should be a good one....
It sucked.
Saying what you think and quitting (as an elected representative; it would be different, for example, for a cabinet member) is far, far less courageous and powerful than saying what you think and staying in the arena to fight.
Yeah, you'd probably lose your primary. But take every opportunity to say what you have to say on the campaign trail. A sitting R Senator running against Trump would get plenty of headlines for months.
"But take every opportunity to say what you have to say on the campaign trail. A sitting R Senator running against Trump would get plenty of headlines for months."
I kind of agree. However, there is the argument that everyday you spend campaigning is a day you don't spend governing, and while you look like you're taking the high road now, you could come off as petty in time, thus undermining your point.
Read anything local Arizonians have to say about Flake and you'll quickly hear that he has cast away all of his Tea-Party small government, Libertarian leanings and campaign promises to be little more than a McCain mini-me media suck-up.
Flake is abdicating now, because his poll numbers are horrid among the center-right that got him elected. They all feel betrayed by him.
I strongly suspect that Flake jumped on the Anti-Trump train with this speech solely to stick a toe in the water of switching parties. He's fishing for donors to support a run as a Dem and playing to the media to help bait the hook. the man is a self-serving hack, just like his fellow senator from AZ.
Like Charlie Crist with silver conchos on his belt.
It'll work out about as well for Flake as it did for Crist.
"I strongly suspect that Flake jumped on the Anti-Trump train with this speech solely to stick a toe in the water of switching parties. "
Except he's been on that train since day one.
That is not accurate. Flake was not a Trump fan, but he was never rabidly anti-Trump. Seemed like he tried to position himself as a 'voice of reason', self-servingly believing that that was the direction of the political winds. Miscalculated and lost the support of most of his base. The Rageaholic summarized it best on youtube. Flake's only job is to represent the voters. He chose not to, and saw his poll numbers plummet into unredeemable lows.
I suspect he's going to switch parties...in the most self-serving way possible.
"...but he was never rabidly anti-Trump."
He literally didn't think the man was fit to be president. Maybe he wasn't foaming at the mouth when he criticized him, but I'm not sure how much more opposed you can get. He even acknowledged at the time he was making his own future more difficult, so it can hardly be viewed as calculating.
Where is the Reason article on the revival of forced-arbitration when it comes to banks and other financial institutions? If lawsuits are to be a deterrent in lieu of regulation, then you can't have customers constantly forced into arbitration clauses.
So Nicholas Sarwark spoke truly when he said the Republican party hates libertarians, including the cross-dressing impersonators still clinging to its prohibitionist apron. There's your proof.
Thanks for your service Jeff!
Come on Reason, seriously, Jeff Flake a libertarian? Give me a break. I've heard some ringers from Reason but this one takes the cake. Flake is a stale flake and he is not libertarian, just as the draconian, big government NAFTA isn't free trade. Who the fuck writes the shit?
They also say Ron Paul is libertarian!
The new definition is .a theocrat who hates secular government. Statists for Jesus!