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Students Crashed College Republicans' Meeting at UC-Santa Cruz, Demanded Shutdown

Fascists do not deserve the right of assembly or free speech, protesters claim.

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Activist students at the University of California at Santa Cruz reject the "right of assembly" and "right of free speech" when it comes to white supremacists and fascists. In their view, this includes the College Republicans.

And so, the students crashed a CR meeting in the basement of a campus library earlier this week. The CRs attempted to have a dialogue with the protesters, but the protesters maintained that "dialogue is violence" and that the CRs' mere presence in the library was an explicit threat against marginalized students and act of violence. The protesters even asked library staff to evict the CRs from the building, according to Campus Reform.

After two hours, the police involved themselves, and three of the protesters were arrested. The CRs have also asked UC-Santa Cruz's student government to sanction the protesters, since two of them were in fact members of the student government.

Campus Reform obtained some video footage of the incident. In the clip below, CRs and protesters are heatedly arguing with one another. There's nothing wrong with that, of course—they appear to be having the exact kind of dialogue the CRs claimed they wanted and the protesters claimed was violence. But my favorite part of the exchange happens toward the end, when one of the students—presumably a CR—accuses the protesters of selection bias.

"If this was any other group, if it was a communist group, or socialist group, if it was a Democratic group, if it was a centrist group, nobody would be here saying anything," said the student. "But because the title says Republicans, and because that's connected to Trump…"

"Because communists aren't fucking racists," a protester interjected.

Communism has killed and impoverished millions, but it's arguably true that communists committed these murders irrespective of the race or ethnic origins of their victims. That's what really matters, it seems.

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  1. Commies are groovy ’cause they beat, murdered, jailed, enslaved, and starved everyone equally, supposedly, except for the commie party bosses… At least they (supposedly) were / are not RACIST!!!

    OK then!

    1. Yeah, and in the country I was born in and have the vast majority of experience with communists got beaten up by racists in Alabama, marched against the Vietnam War and the proliferation of nuclear weapons. What have College Republicans done besides bitch about how they don’t get invited to the cool parties on campus?

      1. “communists got beaten up by racists in Alabama,”
        Communism is a race? I thought it was a random idiocy

        “marched against the Vietnam War and the proliferation of nuclear weapons”
        Pick them cherries, you slimy piece of shit.

        1. If communism has a genetic component then we can finally devise a gene based bio weapon and exterminate them for all time.

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        2. LOL if only the real communists were against the Vietnam war those Viet Cong wouldn’t have had so many AK-47s.

          1. The communists were protesting the Soviet-Afghan War, too!

            Of course, they only wanted the Afghanis to surrender on that one. But protest they did, nonetheless!

      2. So do you think communism can work if it is done right? Do you think that it ultimately leads to corruption, graft, and bankruptcy?
        Do you believe that communists governments have killed well over 200 million people whereas capitalism has brought 100s of millions of people out of poverty the world over.

        Do you think capitalism, with all of its flaws, is by far the best economic system the world has ever seen? You don’t need to answer that one.

        1. Hey, the slime bag found two of three ‘good’ communists!
          As far as he’s concerned, if the trains run on time, what’s a little mass-murder?

        2. Probably not. Probably. No. Probably not. No.

          1. Then why do you comment on this thread? You don’t know history or are willfully blind to the myriad examples of communist/socialist/fascist failures and atrocities.

            Since you don’t believe this, provide your well founded education to the contrary. Tell me why Che’ was such a good guy and not a horrible murderer. Then go to little Havana and say that. You will get pummeled by the people who were his victims and who had everything stolen from them.

            Me thinks you are not honest enough to have a debate.

            1. Me thinks you are not honest enough to have a debate.

              ^ This.

              This guy doesn’t even have a Tony level of integrity.

              1. Progressives (ie regressives) do not debate. They scream and throw tantrums and get your speaking event forcefully shut down and then call themselves oppressed victims.

                1. Maybe we should oblige them and actually oppress them. Marxists have no right to exist.

                  1. “Marxists have no right to exist.”

                    Yes, they do.
                    They provide great comic relief for the sane.

                    1. Ok, you got me on that one. Maybe we could put shock collars on them and then play with the remote? AmSoc would be most entertain8ng under those circumstances, I would wager.

                    2. Ok, you got me on that one.

                    3. unless they get power.

                2. RJSP is not even a progressive. He is actually a self-described communist. He may be the last one in the country. I believe him to be an aging Boomer who hasn’t evolved his thinking even slightly since 1968.

                  1. He just answered in the negative for “communism can work if done right” and in the positive for “communism leads to corruption, etc.”

                    That doesn’t sound like a communist to me. Y’all aren’t even responding to what he wrote.

                    1. I just tell them not to get cocky about how great America is with it’s Vietnam War, Gulf War, military-industrial complex, and Jim Crow and they start throwing around how I ?? Pol Pot. SOP, around here.

                    2. “I just tell them not to get cocky about how great America is with it’s Vietnam War, Gulf War, military-industrial complex, and Jim Crow and they start throwing around how I ?? Pol Pot.”

                      Yep, we certainly need some slimy piece of shit who can’t honor his commitments to keep us honest.

                    3. Libertarians are against all of those things. Wars are bad for free market capitalism.
                      The thing that makes you sound silly is your claims of good aspects of communism. I am simply saying that you cAnt have a little bit of Marxism. It leads to a lot of it and suppression of freedom and liberty. It also eventually violates the greatest aspects of a free society and functional economy. Private property, contract law, and profit motive. Marxism is socialism is communism is fascism in the lens of horribly oppressive and murderous failing systems.

                    4. Sorry: we have low tolerance for racists.

                    5. That doesn’t sound like a communist to me. Y’all aren’t even responding to what he wrote.

                      Because this is not RJSPs first rodeo. Whether or not he’s a communist depends on immediate local circumstances. He’s considerably less consistent than Tony, and perhaps even more ignorant. His posts don’t merit serious consideration.

                    6. Yep, Tony at least seems like he is trying to argue in good faith to some extent. RJSP is just noise.

                    7. “That doesn’t sound like a communist to me. Y’all aren’t even responding to what he wrote.”

                      I’m sure you’re willing to believe the lie he posted this time.

                    8. RE: I’m sure you’re willing to believe the lie he posted this time.

                      My default position it take anything anyone says on the internet at face value, unless it’s marked with a /sarc (or it’s obviously a joke).

              2. It is Tony.
                Lowering his integrity to prove he can.

      3. Communism by nature demands conformity. There’s very little room for diversity of any nature: religious, sexual, ethnic, and especially physical deformities that some of us are born with. That list usually excludes most of these freaks in the West who keep cheering for glorious communism that they learn only from marxist history professors who learned it from marxist history professors. Fact is, these societal freaks would be the first shipped off to the gulags in a communist country.

        You can argue communist regimes are less “sexist” but that’s only because they repress sexuality (so women are de facto protected from becoming sex objects in sexual materials that can only be freely published in the West and mostly in the US) and communism also strips the need for the nuclear family, so even the idealized mother is erases. Everyone becomes one big gray blob.

        Only in free societies, especially the US, can even the most outlandish freaks prosper. Note that these college kids are likely to achieve economic stability and peace throughout their existences inside the belly of the capitalist beast itself. America can handle the blows of its hostile agitators like marxist college kids, it has for ages. But communism, like a house of cards or any cult, collapses upon the slights internal conflict.

      4. marched against the US fighting their comrades in the Vietnam War and the inability of the USSR to keep up with reards to the proliferation of nuclear weapons

        Fixed that for you.

      5. Hey, kid, news flash: Its cool to be Conservative. We are the new counterculture, whereas you leftists are the establishment in its death throes. Why else would there be such an automaton-like rage issuing from these young, impressionable, indoctrinated minds, that they are “marginalized”. Maybe that is because your views are toxic and not in accord with the very values and principles that animate ANY free and open society? This is how Fascist tyranny manifests itself in these United States. Be not mistaken.

        1. I despise all things “cool” and “counterculture.” I like tweed sweaters, pipes, the smack of leather on willow.

          1. I despise all things “cool” and “counterculture.” I like tweed sweaters, pipes, the smack of leather on willow.

            ^ Case in point. For RJSP it is still 1968, and all of those struggles are still 100% meaningful.

            Who killed the Kennedys, RJSP? WHO?

      6. communists got beaten up by racists in Alabama

        Guess those crackers weren’t that bad after all.

      7. Let’s look at these, shall we?

        The Vietnam War was a war against communists, so no surprise that communists would protest them.

        Nuclear weapons were the only bulwark the West had against the numerical superiority of the USSR, so again, communist protests are simple self-interest.

        As for “got beaten up by racists”, stoking racial disconent and divisiveness, and preventing African Americans from making economic progress was a political and covert operations objective of the USSR.

        So you are right: that was your experience with communists. You may not quite understand, though, what that experience means because you are seeing it through the lens of communist propaganda.

    2. All of humanity is equally repugnant, except when they pull out their SJW Grievance Hierarchy calculator, though all that decides is who would die last.

    3. The NORKs seem pretty racist.

      1. But, but…Dennis Rodman! I mean, they have a black friend, right?

    4. Petr Beckmann told of this Russian named Rosenburg applying for an exit visa. “And what is YOUR reason?” asked the passport clerk.
      “I am told a pogrom is planned targeting the Jews and the barbers,” he replied.
      “Why the barbers?”
      “Everybody asks that; that’s why I want to leave!” Moral: racial collectivism is a specialty, not a difference in kind.

  2. “Because communists aren’t fucking racists,” a protester interjected.

    It’s a shame this twit made it all the way to college and never learned the history of the USSR.

    1. Or Cuba. Or China. Or….

      1. Seconded. I believe Che’ referred to blacks as “cockroaches” or somesuch. And it is well know that Asians are actually quite racist against – wait for it – other Asians.

        1. Everyone is most chauvinistic towards those closest to them. You ever seen people from different Latin American countries talk about each other? Hell, have you seen how people in the US react to people from other states? Truly, we learn to hate the ones we know.

          I actually like it, because that’s where you get the sweetest stereotypes from. The generic one that the “other” is lazy/stupid/too many kids/whatever is pretty common around the world. What’s more awesome is when you get weirdly specific forms of mockery, like Mexican’s making fun of Spaniards lisps.

          1. Spaniards don’t lisp, they just pronounce C and Z differently from other Spanish speakers. S is pronounced as usual.

            1. That is not strictly correct, on any of the points.

              And it is called the ceceo

            2. Stop Engsplaining it, white man!

          2. Does anyone remember the outrage, within the black community, when Oprah had a show highlighting the different treatment lighter skinned blacks directed towards darker-skinned ones?
            They were aghast that one of their own would expose this type of discrimination within a group crying about how they were discriminated against.

    2. It’s tragic that nobody was on hand to yell back “tell it to the Uighurs, the Chechens, and the Kazakhs, you pig-ignorant pissant.”

      -jcr

  3. “After two hours, the police involved themselves, and three of the protesters were arrested.”

    For a faster police response, conservative students should advertise at each of their meetings that they will be taking up a collection for the Police Benevolent Donut Fund.

    1. Better yet, just tell the cops that the protesters are carrying loose cash and have probably been within two miles of a drug dealer.

      1. Well done sir.

      2. Or an unlicensed hot dog vendor.

      3. And have a cell phone that can be traced back to some prime real estate.

    2. Somehow, “protesters” doesn’t sound like an adequate description of these disruptive people. I’m trying to think of a better term, but I’m not sure what it would be. They’re not quite “rioters”, thank goodness. If the College Republicans had reserved the room they were meeting in, and these other people just barged in, perhaps “trespassers” would be a good description.

      1. “assholes”. It get used a lot, but when it’s right it’s right.

      2. “Thugs” fits well.

      3. No, “rioters” they are:
        PENAL CODE – PEN
        PART 1. OF CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS [25 – 680] ( Part 1 enacted 1872. )
        TITLE 11. OF CRIMES AGAINST THE PUBLIC PEACE [403 – 420.1] ( Title 11 enacted 1872. )
        404.
        (a) Any use of force or violence, disturbing the public peace, or any threat to use force or violence, if accompanied by immediate power of execution, by two or more persons acting together, and without authority of law, is a riot.

  4. “Because communists aren’t fucking racists,” a protester interjected.

    Sure… Even though every young screw-up’s favorite communist dreamboat, Che Guevara, was virulently anti-black and anti-gay. But he gets a pass because his face looks good on t-shirts and posters, damn it!

      1. And a sweet and tender hooligan.

    1. Terrifyingly literal.

      1. Ironically, coincidentally or fatefully… some of the fascists are already part of student government.

  5. “The students were arrested for disturbing the peace, failure to disperse, unlawful assembly and trespassing.”

    Was anyone charged under this statute – “Every person who, without authority of law, willfully disturbs or breaks up any assembly or meeting that is not unlawful in its character…is guilty of a misdemeanor.”?

    If not, why not?

    1. I don’t know if that would be constitutional applied to assemblies or meetings in public places. But for a meeting or event in a venue that is not generally considered a public space where anyone can be at any time, I think enforcing that law would perhaps be reasonable.

  6. If I was a communist and a college student there’s no way I would go anywhere near a College Republican meeting. Who needs all the death threats and bitching after you are doxxed by these right-wing groups on campus.

    Robby, did you blow your load all over your computer when Milo Yiannopoulos forwarded this video to you?

    1. Because doxxing is totally a one-sided problem…

      1. Projection, on the other hand….

    2. Apparently thre were commies there-

      The University of California, Santa Cruz, Police Department arrested three students for disrupting a meeting organized by College Republicans and College Democrats Sunday night.

      That should have been mentioned in the article and that explains why the hipster says he never voted republican. It also shows that this is about loyalty- how DARE you talk to the enemy!- and not politics.

      1. Can’t communists attend meetings held by College Republicans. I think a debate about the Republican Party is full of racists and, even, whether White Nationalists should be able to have a meeting on a college campus is perfectly fine. Why are the people that published this video so quick to run to right-wingers at large to air their endless fucking grievances against anyone that says something nasty about them?

        1. Anyone can attend a meeting in a public forum. Disrupting the forum and shouting down anyone who wants to speak is just rude, obnoxious, and hypocritical in its idiocy.

          1. What it also does quite well is prove how stupid these SJW are. They are incoherent morons almost every time.

            1. Dogma spouting zealots aren’t concerned with coherence, only purity and obedience.

              1. Shame!…. Shame!….. SHAME!

          2. This didn’t appear to be a public forum. I’m assuming it was a club which should be open to everyone if it’s on a college campus but meetings don’t have to be. And if it were, attending and disrupting are two different things.

        2. If you could please tell me where you work, I’d like to air some grievances against you.

          1. Why would AMSOC work? To pay his mortgage?

            1. It was a longshot, I know.

          2. He works here. He is getting paid by Russia to spread propaganda, of course.

      2. The College Democrats are probably the furthest right org on UCSC’s campus after the College Republicans. In fact I’m shocked there are any Republicans on campus there at all

        1. Republicans like to surf too. Well, some do.

          1. Republicans like to surf too.

            That’s what Cal Poly SLO is for.

            1. CSULB or CSF

        2. The College Democrats are probably the furthest right org on UCSC’s campus after the College Republicans.

          ^ This.

    3. Do you go home weekends to have mommy do the laundry?

  7. “It’s arguably true that communists committed these murders irrespective of the race or ethnic origins of their victims.”

    But that’s demonstrably not true. Some of the worst communist regimes were blatantly racist and ethno-nationalist.

    1. The Khmer Rouge tried to systematically eliminate all minorities no differently than Hitler.

      1. This world will not allow any comparison of brutality to hitler. That destroys the narrative that the only evil people in the world are white Europeans and their ancestors abroad.
        Certainly not communists and certainly not any bad people of color.

        Its just so transparent its only worth laughing at.

        1. This world will not allow any comparison of brutality to hitler. That destroys the narrative that the only evil people in the world are white Europeans and their ancestors abroad.
          Certainly not communists and certainly not any bad people of color.

          And it’s funny because Pol Pot trumps Hitler. PP killed ONE FOURTH OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN HIS COUNTRY (and he did it in about 4 years). Nobody can claim a number like that.

      2. The only reason the Nazi’s battled the communists in pre-WW2 Germany, and invaded the Soviet Union, was they were trying to get rid of the competition.
        National Socialists were just as communist as the USSR was, just with different leaders.
        The idea that communism and Naziism were opposites is a construct of the remaining communists in our midst.

        1. The only reason the Nazi’s battled the communists in pre-WW2 Germany, and invaded the Soviet Union, was they were trying to get rid of the competition.

          True. They will try to win “their” side first before attacking others.

          Look at the “alt right”. Who is Bannon, for example, targeting — Republicans or Democrats? Currently, it’s Republicans. He wants to “win” the party. THEN he would attack Democrats.

  8. The CRs have also asked UC-Santa Cruz’s student government to sanction the protesters, since two of them were in fact members of the student government.

    This is the kind of people we want in government? People that believe in using violence in shutting down those with whom they disagree?

    1. What violence did they use? I didn’t see any. Can’t communists attend College Republican meetings and tell them to their face what a fucking asshole Dear Leader is or do College Republicans need their safe space?

      1. Passive aggression is just passive until the passive part doesn’t work. That’s why this is violence- the aggression part is implied and only kept in check by the willing victims.

        If I come into your home and don’t let you eat dinner, I’m sure you would feel that it was violence even if you stopped eating so I didn’t have to actually assault you to keep you from eating. They stopped their meeting to interact with the protesters. Why? Because if they hadn’t it would have escalated. I’m sure they had other things on the agenda that night.

      2. Aggressively entering a space for the purpose of disrupting a peaceful meeting is violent. If not violence, then about as near to it as you can get.

        But you know that.

      3. The reserved the room ahead of time, they had permission from the owners to use the room for a specific purpose. As such they have the right to expel people from their meeting. The communists were trespassing. This is why the police had grounds to arrest them. Trespassing is violence.

        1. Yes, that is the correct answer. Thank you.

        2. But to communists, trespassing is only violence when it happens to them.

      4. When they say that ‘dialogue is violence’, they should be held to the standard they claim.

      5. What violence did they use? I didn’t see any. Can’t communists attend College Republican meetings and tell them to their face what a fucking asshole Dear Leader is or do College Republicans need their safe space?

        Ironically, pointing a gun at somebody isn’t ACTUALLY violence.

  9. This is not the type of discussion anyone should be having. It’s totally illogical from the protesters standpoint and you can’t logically argue with people who aren’t logical.

  10. *click*

    Now youse can’t leave.

  11. We’re here! We’re fascists! We’re her to protest fascists!

    We don’t even know why we’re protesting anymore! TV said so!

  12. The theater of the absurd continues….

  13. “Communism has killed and impoverished millions, but it’s arguably true that communists committed these murders irrespective of the race or ethnic origins of their victims.”

    I see that somebody needs to brush up on their history and read up on Stalin’s ethnic cleansing in the Soviet Union.

  14. Communism has killed and impoverished millions, but it’s arguably true that communists committed these murders irrespective of the race or ethnic origins of their victims. That’s what really matters, it seems.

    From “Ethnicity line axed from Russian passports”:

    The new papers include one change particularly welcome among Russian Jews. Now gone is the infamous “fifth paragraph” ? the declaration of nationality that reinforced Soviet-era discrimination against minorities.

    Edward Frenkel, a Jewish mathematician who grew up in the USSR, wrote an article on discrimination against himself as a Jew in the Soviet Union. The original is no longer online but it is mirrored here.

  15. I can’t watch these videos any more. My blood boils with impotent rage as I come face-to-face with people that are completely unmoored from logic and critical thinking. That are nothing more than quivering pieces of flesh consumed by hate and emotion.

    It violates my quaint libertarian sensibilities that the majority of people can at least be reasoned with even if I don’t agree with them.

    But actually, these brainless protesters are a very small slice of humanity. I have to keep telling myself that.

    1. They’re soulless to, so not even really people. So anything you do to them is ok.

      1. Like Gingers?

        1. Souls or not, there are arguments for keeping them around…….

          goo.gl/LEZEZQ

  16. My favorite part is “one of the student activists [ran] out into the main library area screaming that there were ‘Nazis downstairs'”.

    This is the behavior of either a small child or an unwell person experiencing a psychotic break – not sure which.

    1. You’re supposed to be quiet in a library

      1. Heh there is that too.

      2. This made me think of a mime jumping up and down yelling “there are Nazi’s down stairs” in a library. It made me smile.

  17. they appear to be having the exact kind of dialogue the CRs claimed they wanted

    to be sure.

    of course they wanted some group to aggressively interrupt their own meeting in a public library. It was *exactly* what they wanted. there’s no way they might have preferred a more appropriate forum, with an audience of disinterested listeners, and some agreed-upon respectful give and take.

    No, they should be welcoming being screamed at by idiots in the middle of their own meetings. Their failure to appreciate it shows their hypocrisy, clearly.

    1. I was having trouble identifying what part of this article proved that Robby is still a proggie shitbag. Thanks for the assist.

      1. what part of this article proved that Robby is still a proggie shitbag

        For future reference: its the byline

  18. RE: Students Crashed College Republicans’ Meeting at UC-Santa Cruz, Demanded Shutdown
    Fascists do not deserve the right of assembly or free speech, protesters claim.

    Ironic, isn’t it.
    These leftist snowflakes are engaging in the same tactics the fascists Hitler and Mussolini engaged in. Yet these spoiled rich white kids can’t connect the dots. To these clueless, over-educated kids free speech is a concept reserved only for themselves and people who agree with them.
    Welcome to liberal fascism on campus.

    1. I don’t think “over-educated” is their problem.

      1. over-indoctrinated?

        willfully oblivious?

        1. Thoughtless and selfish?

          1. Privileged, failing at life, and externalizing blame.

  19. I agree with the guy in the grey shirt and jeans. “I stand for the right to speak.” Yep, that’s what these protesters were doing. Speech is hard. Support Trump in front of people who siblings are being deported? Well, someone might show up at your meeting and tell you that you’re an asshole. Textbook 1st Amendment.

    1. Do you not understand trespassing? Would it be ok for libertarians to disrupt a meeting of communists?

      Your thinking is so disordered that you have to be yanking our chains. Commenters: I can’t remember – is this one real?

      1. Probably not. Its sole purpose is to preach the wonders of communism and explain how the bad communists weren’t really communists.

      2. Communists inherently do not understand trespassing. That is why they are such stupid assholes. That is how they can so quickly be converted in to murderous thieves.

        All communists start out under the veil of benevolence then they realize that force is the only thing that can make their moronic ideology work. For a little while.

        1. Makes sense since they think everything yours is theirs.

          1. Which is why destroying them is the corr3ct thing to do. Every Marxist is an existential threat to your freedom.

            1. Marxists don’t get rights! Amirite?

    2. Textbook commie.

    3. Are you assuming their immigration status?

      You fucking racist

    4. Yup, nothing like invading someone elses’ meeting to shut down their free speech in order to engage free speech.

    5. If you don’t like the law, ask your rep in Congress to work to change the law.
      You can’t knock the President for enforcing it as written, even if you disagree.

      1. He just likes the previous emperors decree better.

    6. SOme crazy dude standing in front of an elementary school screaming “I fuck pigs” at the top of his lungs is also textbook first amendment, but he’s still an asshole.

      And I’m not sure that disrupting a meeting is necessarily protected speech. If you show up to a meeting that you have been invited and say things that people don’t like, you should be protected from legal consequences. But if your behavior is meant to disrupt and silence people, you are doing something beyond speech.

    7. “Textbook 1st Amendment” is in the public square, not at a meeting of others, in a private space.
      But you show your commie stripes when you claim it is OK to disrupt a meeting, that supports enforcing the law.

    8. Support Trump in front of people who siblings are being deported?

      You’re right, we should send the other family members back with them, too.

  20. College Republicans are such snowflakes. Somebody raises their voice about racism in America and on go the iPhones to record these microaggressions.

    1. You sound like the classic pussy.

      1. If by “pussy” you mwan “troll”.

    2. “”College Republicans are such snowflakes. Somebody raises their voice about racism in America and on go the iPhones to record these microaggressions.””

      Bitch, bitch, bitch..

    3. Go back to humping your favorite Stalin statue.

    4. You’re trying too hard and giving it away.

    5. Raising your voice, to the extent that it disrupts the meeting, is not a microaggression – it is a full-on aggression and would be deserving of a violent reaction, but for the fact that Republicans tend to be in favor of lawful responses, like having the disruptive aggressors arrested.

  21. I think Republicans are a bunch of tools, but the idea that it’s okay to barge into one of their meetings and accuse them of violence merely by existing is fucking stupid. What, were they bored and just wanted to get their faces on the news? The only difference between these lefty twats and Pol Pot is that Pol Pot had guns. These are the kind of people who would not blink at mass graves and ideological cleansings.

    “”…since two of them were in fact members of the student government.””

    Why the fuck do student governments even exist? Do they have any power, or are they just play acting at having power?

    1. Yep, play-time for future wastrels.

    2. “These are the kind of people who would not blink at mass graves and ideological cleansings.”

      And this is where the criticism of the protestors goes way overboard.

      Yes they were wrong to barge in on a private meeting. Yes they were rude. No they shouldn’t have disrupted the meeting.

      And from all of this, you get to “they would be okay with mass murder”? Really?

      Is it because they are lefties, and some lefties in the past perpetrated crimes such as mass murder? Well okay, if you are going to play that game, then let’s just accuse all righties of being okay with mass murder too, since some righties in the past also perpetrated crimes such as mass murder.

      It’s wrong all around to be accusing people of being guilty by association. Perhaps the more sane approach is not to engage in it.

      1. Yay! Someone has a sense of proportion. Yay!

        1. And that person isn’t you.

      2. Marxists have no souls.

      3. If you’re a leftist, you’re okay with mass graves, ideological, ethnographic, and religious cleansings. You’re also a supporter of genocide. Because killing people that get in the way of the Revolution is a core tenet of leftism.

        Well okay, if you are going to play that game, then let’s just accuse all righties of being okay with mass murder too, since some righties in the past also perpetrated crimes such as mass murder.

        No one on the right ever committed an act of mass murder. Ever.

        There has never been a mass murder committed to further right wing ideals–there couldn’t be. A school of thought that starts with a respect for individual rights never gets to ‘mass’ anything.

        Leftists of all stripes commit mass murder because people don’t behave the way that leftism demands. Psychotic frustration is the inevitable result.

        1. No one on the right ever committed an act of mass murder. Ever.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet

        2. There has never been a mass murder committed to further right wing ideals–there couldn’t be. A school of thought that starts with a respect for individual rights never gets to ‘mass’ anything.

          You are confusing “right wing ideals” with libertarianism.

        3. No one on the right ever committed an act of mass murder. Ever.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Franco

          1. National Socialists and Fascists are NOT on the right no matter how many times you say that they are. Franco was not right wing.

            The left says Pinochet committed mass murder. The people of Chile say that he removed the communist threat that was trying to abrogate the Chilean constitution and destroy Chile. The relative prosperity of Chile in comparison to the socialist shitholes that are a stain upon South America suggests that they were right.

            But Pinochet was not right wing. He was not as far left as the people he stopped–to them, he was ‘right’–by any objective measure, he was left of center.

            Libertarianism is to the right of conservatism. Conservatives retain the fear of total liberty that mars the GOP and the entirety of the left.

            But I said ‘ideals’. Ideals are the big ideas that you try to live up to. At base, Republicans, conservatives, and Libertarians all claim to follow nearly identical ideals. Do they always live up to them? No.

        4. Right-wing denotes a religious fanatic altruist initiating force to please his invisible playmate God, Allah or Ra. Left wing is that exact same altruist looter initiating force for government bureaucrats and politicians as replacement gods. You can see it here, where they flock to try to infiltrate and deactivate libertarian voters while scratching each others’ eyes out.

          1. No, Hank.

            Initiating force to please one’s invisible playmate God, Allah(not Ra, maybe Aten) OR initiating force for government bureaucrats and politicians coms from the same collectivist, central authority impulse.

            If any ‘side’ applies, it is the left one. The innate collectivization of religion runs counter to right-wing ideals if it is used as any type of state power.

      4. I think you are right if talking about the left in general. But a lot of these activists are pretty hard-left, defenders of actual murderous commies. These particular people probably would blink at mass killings and ideological purges. But they (some at least) are promoting and defending systems that depend on things like that.

    3. I’m good with calling any political organization promoters of violence, that is what government and politics is in its essence.

      But it’s pretty rich coming from proponents of the most violent political system of them all.

    4. Funny, they think the same about you….

  22. Communism has killed and impoverished millions, but it’s arguably true that communists committed these murders irrespective of the race or ethnic origins of their victim

    Just one example:

    – Cuba is more than half black
    – Cuba has never had a black person in any position of significant authority in govt

    One of the first mistakes Castro made when he took power in 1959 was to determine that racism was solved in Cuba. Like Castro, Soviet officials made similar ill-advised declarations that allowed even more racism to fester. In Cuba, 62 percent of the population is black, but 71 percent of its public leadership is white, according to a 2009 study. What’s even more disturbing: In 2009, 70 percent of black Cubans were unemployed; 60 percent of black Cubans cited racial discrimination as the cause.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Cuba

    Go visit cuba, and go to any of the major hotels/bars/restaurants set up for visiting tourists (the only area of the economy where people can make significant income improvements). Try and find 1 black employee.

    You’d think after a century, you wouldn’t have to explain (to self-styled libertarian writers) that you don’t measure ‘communists’ by what they say, you look at what they have done.

    1. Well, he did say “arguably”.

    2. I saw plenty.

      1. to be sure, i should have added “that weren’t exclusively used to clean the toilets

        who to take seriously? The author of a book about racism in cuba? or the new AmSoc? i shall flip a coin.

    3. I think you’re reading too much into that line. Robby’s point there was that even if that person’s argument was correct, it’s a stupid justification for communists being ok (but not Republicans) because it implies that killing and oppressing millions is fine as long as you don’t do it for racial reasons. I think he didn’t want to dive into an argument about the motivations of communist killings at the very end, but I think a link proving that guy wrong would have been nice.

      The USSR also committed ethnic cleansing and discrimination at various points. Lots of anti-Semitism in the Eastern Bloc. And communist China has done plenty of oppressing of minorities as well.

      1. Robby’s point there was … I think he didn’t want ….would have been nice.

        yeah, that whole “give Soave the benefit of the doubt”-ship sailed a long time ago.

        The USSR also committed ethnic cleansing and discrimination at various points. Lots of anti-Semitism in the Eastern Bloc. And communist China has done plenty of oppressing of minorities as well.

        indeed.

        there are a lot of hilarious hand-wringing articles in the commie-sphere asking chinstroking questions like,

        “How is it that the Super-Racially-Tolerant Soviet Union turned into a racist backwater like Russia overnight?!?”

        …effectively, still taking the communist racial propaganda at face value.

        1. My point is that the sentence there is clearly put their to mock the stupidity of the guy and the video and condemn the actions of communists, and he uses the word arguably to signal that the claim is not necessarily true, yet you read it as indication that he’s defending communists. Same thing with your complaint about the byline above – you apparently read it as him agreeing with the protesters when it seems much more obvious that he’s just summarizing the stupid argument he’s about to tear down.

          1. My point is that the sentence there is clearly …

            ‘Arguably’ …

            Robby’s hallmark is surely his incisive moral clarity, and utter lack of equivocation

            1. Does the sentence not mock the reasoning of the student, and blame communists for murdering and impoverishing millions of people? Clearly those are the marks of communist apologia.

              1. Well, at least they’re not racist.

              2. Oh, also:

                If i think Robby grants these idiots too much in his weaksauce rebuttal (*which has been his M.O. for years)… I’m not alone in that observation

  23. Bitch, bitch, bitch. Like I said I wouldn’t come near a CR meeting for very obvious reasons. I went– once– to a Tea Party meeting and had some guy lay his hands on me because I essentially asked the speaker why he and his crowd were so angry and if they thought taking on the local constable was the rationale behind the 2nd amendment. I was worried– and not without reason I think– that I might have gotten shot outside the meeting hall. Never again. I’ve got kids. Who needs to pick a fight with these right-wing nutcases?

      1. Bitch, bitch, bitch.

    1. I’m guessing all your shirts are brown.

      1. He and his fellow socialists are in denial that Nazis were socialists too.

        1. I’ve encountered that! Too funny.

        2. One self-deceiving altruist has a hitlerwasacapitalist.blogspot blog. This same twerp edits Wikipedia entries to replace national socialist with the Russian “nazi” nickname in every entry he can find. But Hitler, Ford, Bellamy, Howells, Bryan–all the early fascisti of christian socialism were religious conservative altruists. International socialist altruists dispense with the mystical Zeus creature, and to them, on both sides, THAT is the important difference. There are mystical blogs swearing that the man 98% christian Germany elected and reelected was neither xtian nor socialist. Back then nearly all of them were both. It’s a lucky thing they hate each other.

      2. Brownshirt tactics included disrupting meetings and shouting down people they disagreed with, then later condoning their arrest, imprisonment and mass slaughter.

        Were the College Republicans disrupting the College Communists meetings?

        1. 50 years ago you could get in trouble for being communist or for expressing communist ideas on campus.

          The same way generals are always fighting the last war, SJWs are always crusading against yesterday’s social tyrannies, not realizing that they themselves are the social tyranny of today.

    2. Typical snowflake nutcase you are. You think all conservatives will hurt you with guns yet that rarely happens even with tens of millions of people that carry guns.

      You were disrupting the private discussion and they wanted you to leave. It’s trespassing If you stay. I personally would have emanated your little socialist with an answer to your question and then a question for you.

      Why do socialists kill millions of people that do not bow down to the socialist state?
      No answer? That is why dead smart people added the 2nd Amendment and alive smart support citizen firearm possession.

      1. You were disrupting the private discussion

        They specifically mentioned all were welcome. I came and asked them questions. You should have seen the shitstorm.

        socialists have killed millions

        Really? Where? *Communists* certainly. Socialists? No.

        1. Hitler’s national socialists, nazis, killed six million Jews so there’s that. Are you rally this mis-informed or are you just bored.

          What folks like you obviously cannot grasp is that fascism/socialism/communism are all ultimately the same.
          Fascism inevitably becomes socialism which in turn devolves into communism. Although usually by that point the country is simply a dictatorship with a ruling class. Pick up a Miami paper about Venezuela sometime then attempt to have a conversation here.

        2. The last I checked Communism is a Socialism? Btw, Socialism is proven not to work, on so many levels, so why would you support any further Socializing of our political economy, unless, of course, one be a bitter, envious parasite?

          1. So what you’re saying is you can’t distinguish between Pierre Trudeau, Francois Mitterrand, Clement Attlee, Bernie Sanders on the one hand and Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot and Josef Stalin on the other. Maybe it’s you that has an unclear view of history.

            1. Just remember the rise of Hitler’s German Socialist Party was a direct result of the Globalist Nuremberg trials after WW I. That set the stage for the atrocities todays pro Globalist socialist parties rail against so vehemently now. Be careful of what you wish for.

          2. If you’re going to be strictly Marxist about it, Socialism is a statist perversion that utilizes the rhetoric of Communism to achieve total state control of the Proletariat.

            The idea of a “Communist government” is Orwell-level doublespeak, and this is what allows communists to disavow what seems to the inevitable result of their ideas – if a state emerges that tyrannizes people, it wasn’t real Communism.

            In actual Communism, we don’t need a government because once the Capitalists are expunged from society, we won’t need it anymore – free markets will prevail because of the Solidarity of the Proletariat.

            1. As for Trump, his victory over the establishment Globalists, the Democrat and Republican party elites, the VRWC and MSM may be the fist true proletariat revolution in the history of the world. Viva Trump. MAGA
              The forth estate have conscripted the surge in grassroots progressive activism to become the fifth column to lead activists to dismantle American sovereignty by the Globalists in both parties.
              My only issue is: How can you square the notion the fledgling colonies that birthed a nation of 3 million people that declared our sovereign independence to become the envy of the world with 300 million citizens is not the direct result of the independence we declared in 1776? Should we now allow the advocates of “Dollar Diplomacy” to sell out our sovereign independence at the sacrifice of 242 years of self determination. Globalization is a process of interaction and integration among the people, companies, and governments of different nations, a process driven by international agreements and regulation i.e. “Dollar Diplomacy”. Free speech and the free press often called the forth estate have conscripted the surge in grassroots progressive activism to become the fifth column to lead activists to dismantle American sovereignty. I’ll be stocking up on canned goods and ammo until I see evidence that this movement is stopped in it’s tracks.

      2. Why do socialists kill millions of people that do not bow down to the socialist state?
        No answer? That is why dead smart people added the 2nd Amendment and alive smart support citizen firearm possession.

        Umm I’m pretty sure that the 18th-century Second Amendment predated the 20th-century horrors of socialism

    3. “”Bitch, bitch, bitch.””

      Isn’t that what they are doing?

    4. Bitch, bitch, bitch.”

      Yeah, that damn First Amendment is so damn annoying to all the proggies out there.

    5. Robespierre Josef Stalin Pot|10.20.17 @ 12:29PM|#
      “…I went– once– to a Tea Party meeting and had some guy lay his hands on me because I essentially asked the speaker why he and his crowd were so angry and if they thought taking on the local constable was the rationale behind the 2nd amendment…”

      You’ve never posted without lying before, so you’ll forgive me if I call you a fucking liar.

      1. You have to notice the equivocation of saying I essentially asked…
        Which means it wasn’t what was asked, at all.
        Probably something much more confrontational and insulting.
        He knew what he was doing and that he would get the result he was expecting so he could make this stupid claim of knowing what the TEA party people were like. He planted himself to get the reaction he wanted.
        People like that need to be planted.

    6. I don’t believe you for a second. you’re a dirty liar, a cheat and a scofflaw. Your word means nothing. Odds are you were an asshole and started that fight with what was actually a decent, peaceful person.

    7. Nice story; tell it to Reader’s Digest

  24. Proof again that censorship makes you dumber.

  25. Fascists do not deserve the right of assembly or free speech, protesters claim.

    The ironic thing is that censorship is a trademark of fascist regimes and these idiots are fighting in favor of censorship. So who’s the fascist, the “fascist” or the fascist?

  26. To me it looks like its a bitch disrupting a male space, because she can.

  27. These guys would fail miserably in a real college debate. The seem to have absolutely zero understanding of fallacies.

    Appeal to personal attack
    Generalization
    Guilt by association
    False equivalency
    Appeal to hypocrisy

    Just to name a few

    They are bullies that don’t understand or care about history.

    1. Or the pillar of Free Speech.

  28. The idea that a nation would exert its sovereignty and national prerogative is anathema to these touchy-feelies. There are, to whit, many within the libertarian rank and file who also believe in a “no borders” policy, to human movement and free trade, but why then even have a nation of laws. I suppose language, culture and borders doesn’t any longer matter?

    1. Whose culture? Yours? Mine? There really is no such thing as one unique “American culture”. We all live in our separate cultural milieus. Those who bleat on about “protecting American culture” really have as their aim a desire to enforce one culture upon everyone. And I don’t agree with that sort of prescription.

      1. “Enforce one culture upon everyone”.
        That’s from your playbook, not ours.

        1. Mine? I’m not on the left. I take a “live and let live” attitude towards a person’s culture.

          1. You always appear pretty lefty with your posts.

            1. Oh really now. Is it because I don’t go off the deep end with frothing rage against Mexicans, Muslims, Chinese, Leftists, the media, or anyone else who is an enemy of the Red Tribe?

              1. You may not think you sound lefty, but you do.

  29. If Trump and Republicans are “fascists,” and “Nazis,” then they’re “democratic fascists” and “democratic Nazis.”

    They obtained power by winning elections, made no attempt to outlaw opposing parties, or keep themselves in power by cancelling subsequent elections like Mussolini and Hitler did.

  30. No free speech for fascists?

    What else is new? See http://unz.org/Pub/Search/?Con…..ion=Search

  31. I once asked a friend of mine rather rhetorically why we don’t become as vocal and virulent as those on the Left. He answered rather succinctly: if we were as loud and obnoxious and violent as Leftists, we’d be Leftists.

  32. Dialogue is violence! Damn right!

    You people need to stop oppressing me and shut up!

  33. Recently I dug up a copy of one essay Orwell wrote about the difference between patriotism and nationalism that I thought was remarkable. The fist time I read 1984 I recall wondering how the population could let this happen. Now I am completely mesmerized about which side I am on. I know I oppose Globalism but it is too early to see where the story goes from hear. I see the ministry of truth gaining favor among the population steadily for about the last year and picture some international monetary court emerging as big brother perhaps. I am both white and a nationalist, I am not ashamed of my race nor my country. Ethnocentric maybe, racist never.
    Believe this you won’t be better off under Globalism. Globalization is a process of interaction and integration among the people, companies, and governments of different nations, a process driven by international agreements and regulation i.e. “Dollar Diplomacy”. Free speech and the free press often called the forth estate have conscripted the surge in grassroots progressive activism to become the fifth column to lead activists to dismantle American sovereignty. As the BLM and MSM proclaim: “White silence is violence.”
    Who knows. Someday when asked “what did you do in the sovereignty war Gramps” ? I’ll say “gave ’em he!! on the comment boards while they lasted.” Keep it civil.

  34. It’s time for College Republicans to start crashing the meetings leftwing SJW charging them with fascism, racism and sexism. Why should only the Left get attention from school administrators and be granted special dispensation for feeling uncomfortable or “emotionally triggered” by those holding points of view that differ from theirs? Conservatives have had enough of the Left’s fascist attempts to take away their constitutional rights. Let’s take the fight to their doorstep and disrupt their speeches for the same reasons they give – except that ours fears would be real and born out of the violence perpetrated by Antifa, BLM, and every other pink pussy-hatted puke on campus

  35. Re: “”Because communists aren’t fucking racists,” a protester interjected.”

    Let me show you a long-running racist act that liberals are quiet about — because it’s a racist act committed by liberals:

    “Why affirmative action failed black families where it matters most” http://malemattersusa.wordpres…..-families/

    This is not what you think it is. It may be too shocking for some.

  36. I thought for a few minutes about communism and concluded that it is a stupid, unworkable economic system.

    Distributing the fruits of my labor beyond my family and friends would incentivize me to not cooperate with such a system.

    If I could not effectively take my earnings underground, then I would simply stop earning. Working for nothing is tiresome.

    Everybody spirals down into poverty. Well, everybody except the thieves and murderers at the top.

    Very inspiring philosophy. To some.

  37. “The CRs attempted to have a dialogue with the protesters, but the protesters maintained that “dialogue is violence”…

    Hmm well I would agree that people who use the word “dialogue” are very annoying.

  38. The right to free speech is unquestioned in America except in very few cases. The protesting students forget that and they also forget they don’t have the right to brand people fascists in a highly political manner to justify their bad behavior. We all know the reason free speech was set in stone. It was to protect all of us against these tyrants who will come up with any allegation, prejudiced rationale, lies, etc. to claim the right of free speech is no longer valid.

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  42. SJW’s are idiots. They get accepted into their little tribe and learn what to think or at least learn about the latest thing that they are required to get angry about and act out against. Their advantage isn’t logic. Quite the opposite. Their advantage is numbers. If you get into an inevitably futile debate with one idiot, you can walk away or ignore them until they’ll get lost. Not so with groups of idiots.

    The primal psychology of these people isn’t very different from flash mobs or lynch mobs. The people they victimize wrongly assume that the rules of engagement with SJW’s are same as what they were taught by their parents, in kindergarten, during church service, during a lecture, and so on, but SJW’s are so high on their own self-righteousness that they don’t think rules apply to them. They may unconvincingly pose as intellectuals, but the truth is that they are what they are because they’re inept at putting clear thoughts together. So much so, that maturity and civil discourse is “oppressive” to them. If the authorities are unwilling or unable to bring these thugs under control, then they’ll escalate.

  43. Roundabout 1980 an engineer was scheduled to address a YAF-type meeting on the UT campus. Looters planted in the audience threw a yoghurt custard in the man’s face. The photo of his surprise appeared in the campus paper. The initiation of force was altruistic–to save the planet from impending doom by (insert hobgoblin here)–therefore good. The superstition is no less ignorant when a religious fanatic with a gun tries to murder a clinic physician, or when altruists march “the selfish” into extermination camps. Faith manufactures the hobgoblin that demands the initiation of force.

  44. I cannot believe that in this country, people are allowed to engage in this type of activity. Of course, it is in California, so nothing is really surprising. The sad part is these idiots do not grasp the moment one group of people is denied the right to assembly and freedom of speech, it is easy to deny everyone. In addition, they do not get to decide who is allowed to speak or what they are allowed to speak about or where. The most amusing part of this entire movement is they claim to be “fighting fascism”, yet it is they who are the actual fascists. This country cannot survive if this type of insanity to allowed to continue unchecked.

  45. I’m mostly a peaceful person except when it comes to totalitarians then I want to smash a commie’s face with my fist.

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