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Campus Free Speech

Is Edinburgh Really Investigating a Student for Mocking ISIS on Facebook?

Student Robbie Travers is suspected of putting "minority students at risk and in a state of panic."

Robby Soave | 9.5.2017 2:29 PM

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The University of Edinburgh is investigating a law student, Robbie Travers, for allegedly harrassing and discriminating against minority students. As evidence of this behavior, the person making the accusation cited a Facebook post in which Travers celebrated the bombing of an ISIS stronghold in Afghanistan last April.

"I'm glad we could bring these barbarians a step closer to collecting their 72 virgins," Travers wrote.

These and other Facebook rants directed at Muslim extremists were deemed offensive by an Edinburgh student, who submitted screenshots of them to the administration as evidence that Travers "has consistently mocked, disparaged, and incited hatred against religious groups and protected characteristics on numerous occasions."

Travers tells me he stands accused of the following campus infractions:

12.3 Violent, indecent, disorderly, threatening or offensive behaviour or language (whether expressed orally, in writing or electronically) including harassment of any Person whilst engaged in any University work, study or activity.

12.7 Harassing, victimising or discriminating against any Person on grounds of age, disability, race, ethnic or national origin, religion or beliefs, sex, sexual orientation, gender reassignment, pregnancy, maternity, marriage or civil partnership, colour or socio-economic background.

He also shared with me the text of the complaint and screenshots of the posts that landed him in trouble. They are provactive statements, often aimed at members of the left. (In one such post, Travers chides "prissy, hypocritical, over-sensitive minorities" who accused the Lou Reed song "Walk on the Wild Side" of being transphobic.) But they hardly seem violent, indecent, or harassing. If a university forbids merely offensive speech, then almost any statement could qualify.

The Daily Mail's story about the investigation cites Edinburgh student Esme Allman as Travers' accuser, but the copy of the complaint I received suggests that another student who objected to Travers's behavior toward Allman filed the complaint on her behalf. This student alleged that Travers quoted Allman out of context when he publicized a comment she had made referring to black men as "trash." Allman is a candidate for student government, and a "self-proclaimed feminist and womanist" with a "strong interest in intersectionality," so one can see why she might be angry about being associated with racist comments.

"Travers published a decontextualized quote by Allman from a privileged conversation generated by minority students in a safe space he is neither subscribed to nor a member of without her consent," according to the complaint. This student accused him of putting "minority students at risk and in a state of panic."

The university confirmed the investigation into Travers but disputed the way it has been characterized by the media.

"We can confirm that complaints alleging misconduct have been received against Mr. Travers and these are being investigated," university spokesperson Ronnie Kerr tells me. "It is, however, untrue to suggest that Mr. Travers is 'under investigation' for 'mocking ISIS'."

Kerr is right. It's more accurate to say that Travers' Facebook post mocking ISIS was submitted as evidence that he makes violent and abusive statements about minorities. This is not quite as scandalous as The Mail's headline, but it's still fairly absurd.

Edinburgh is a public university in Scotland. Its students don't enjoy the same free speech protections as American public university students, and so the university might very well be within its rights to investigate Travers. As Kerr said in his statement, "We are committed to providing an environment in which all members of the University community treat each other with dignity and respect. Our Code of Student Conduct sets out clear expectations of behaviour."

But do those clear expectations of behavior actually prevent a student from writing a Facebook post that belittles the views of religious extremists, or takes the social justice left to task for casually labelling a trans-friendly song transphobic? If a student wanted to make the case that Travers had mistreated Allman, the student should have focused on that. By including all those screenshots of Travers' posts, his accuser lends credence to Travers' contention that his opponents are "prissy, hypocritical, and over-sensitive," though it remains to be seen whether pointing this out is some kind of crime at Edinburgh.

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  1. Charles Easterly   8 years ago

    Well, at least you still have Lou Reed....

    1. wingnutx   8 years ago

      He's dead, anyway.

      1. Quixote   8 years ago

        Any mockery of individuals dead or alive should be rapidly suppressed at Edinburgh and other academic institutions where such conduct is found to take place. Surely no one here would dare to defend the "First Amendment dissent" of a single, isolated judge in America's leading criminal "satire" case, or of a "media law and journalism specialist" who is apparently trying to stir up controversy about that little matter? See the documentation at:

        https://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

  2. Jerryskids   8 years ago

    12.3 Violent, indecent, disorderly, threatening or offensive behaviour or language (whether expressed orally, in writing or electronically) including harassment of any Person whilst engaged in any University work, study or activity.

    Huh, sounds like filing a complaint would be grounds for having a complaint filed against you. Maybe Robby ought to look into this.

    1. Rhywun   8 years ago

      I wonder how posting on Facebook is considered "engaged in any University work, study or activity".

      1. Zeb   8 years ago

        Multitasking. It doesn't say it has to be part of the work, study or activity, just simultaneous with it.

  3. Half-Virtue, Half-Vice   8 years ago

    And what's the punishment for self identifying as a member of ISIS?

    1. Scarecrow Repair & Chippering   8 years ago

      Death by suicide?

      1. Trigger Warning   8 years ago

        Refugee status?

  4. Ken Shultz   8 years ago

    So, this student hasn't been disciplined in any way?

    Does anyone have a right not to have complaints against them investigated?

    "Edinburgh is a public university in Scotland. Its students don't enjoy the same free speech protections as American public university students, and so the university might very well be within its rights to investigate Travers."

    Same natural rights as anyone, but not the same legal protections--okay.

    Why wouldn't the university be within its rights to investigate?

    How 'bout saving it until he's actually disciplined for speech? Ever hear the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf?

    Has someone's rights been violated yet?

    Where?

    1. AlmightyJB   8 years ago

      There's no basis for an investigation. The snowflake that complained should have been told to grow up and bugger off. Entertaining these types of things at all has gotten us to the point we're at. Which is zero common sense used or allowed. By first response to anyone bringing that crap in my office would be Get Out.

    2. Zeb   8 years ago

      "The process is the punishment"

      1. Arcxjo   8 years ago

        I think you mean "Die Proze?"

  5. flatdarkmars   8 years ago

    "Feminist *and* womanist"... talk about running the gamut.

    1. Scarecrow Repair & Chippering   8 years ago

      Not also a zeist (zheist? I lost track eons ago) What a loser!

  6. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

    "I'm glad we could bring these barbarians a step closer to collecting their 72 virgins," Travers wrote.

    "I've never slept with a virgin, but I love breaking the seal on a new jar of peanut butter."

    1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

      "...with my penis."

      1. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

        I'm not surprised you ruined the image with your crass comment.

        1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

          Not as badly as you ruined that jar of peanut butter.

          1. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

            Perhaps he's a worthless heathen who likes his PB extra-creamy.

            1. Scarecrow Repair & Chippering   8 years ago

              It can be both creamy and nutty!

  7. Rhywun   8 years ago

    Edinburgh is a public university in Scotland. Its students don't enjoy the same free speech protections as American public university students

    I'm beginning to grasp that outside of the United States one doesn't have any free speech protections at all.

    1. Half-Virtue, Half-Vice   8 years ago

      Didn't realize at first this wasn't about a US college; I feel a modicum better.

    2. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

      I'm pretty grateful my ancestors got the fuck off of that shitty little island, that's for sure.

    3. ChipToBeSquare   8 years ago

      True, but everywhere outside of the United States has permanently ended bigotry by restricting hate speech. We're the last holdout* because we're so uniquely bad

      *With the exception of this one student, who must be reeducated

  8. Microaggressor   8 years ago

    Robbies always look out for each other.

    1. Sports Reporter Charles Manson   8 years ago

      Check out the Scottish Robbie's hair - if he weren't Scottish I'd think he was in some kind of 80s hair band.

  9. Sports Reporter Charles Manson   8 years ago

    "accused the Lou Reed song "Walk on the Wild Side" of being transphobic."

    What do the "colored girls" say about that?

    1. Mickey Rat   8 years ago

      "Doo da doo"?

      1. Sports Reporter Charles Manson   8 years ago

        That Lou Reed...how's he been doing lately, by the way?

        1. Mickey Rat   8 years ago

          He is busy decomposing.

        2. Zeb   8 years ago

          Ask Walter Becker.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    Is this Robbie's hair better or worse than our Robbie's hair? I can't tell.

    1. Sports Reporter Charles Manson   8 years ago

      The Scottish Robbie's hair has more of a Braveheart look.

    2. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

      Simple - that depends on whether or not you prefer SBTB Zach Morris to The Rockers-era Shawn Michaels.

  11. Mickey Rat   8 years ago

    The University may be within its legal authority to investigate Travers, but not within its rights, as that authority is unjust and abusive of rights.

  12. Rebel Scum   8 years ago

    I'm glad we could bring these barbarians a step closer to collecting their 72 virgins

    Heh. This guy.

  13. DajjaI   8 years ago

    I was banned by Reason for mocking The Great Wall of Trump.

    (I now think it's a terrific idea!)

    Jill Stein approves this message.

    1. Mickey Rat   8 years ago

      Quit whinging about it.

    2. Sports Reporter Charles Manson   8 years ago

      "I was banned by Reason"

      But you got better?

      1. DajjaI   8 years ago

        No - resurrected. I'm at life #3 and not sure if I have any left. The sad thing is, no one defended me or even tried to help, as far as I know.

        The Great Wall of Trump is a terrific idea!

        1. Brian   8 years ago

          Sorry: I was busy, and didn't notice you.

          What help do you need, exactly?

      2. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

        It got banned for being pointlessly obnoxious by a site that doesn't even ban spambots. Make of that what you will.

        1. DajjaI   8 years ago

          banned for being pointlessly obnoxious

          I would LOVE to know what that is supposed to mean!

          1. Sports Reporter Charles Manson   8 years ago

            If they don't like you on their site, find a site which does like you.

            1. Sports Reporter Charles Manson   8 years ago

              Think of them as a bakery - if they won't make a cake for you, try another bakery.

        2. Rhywun   8 years ago

          I wonder what percentage of my Reasonable blocklist are just him.

          1. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

            Where do you find the current version of Reasonable now? I looked but couldn't find it.

            1. Zeb   8 years ago

              Here

  14. Mickey Rat   8 years ago

    Are the people filing the complaint identifying Mudlims with ISIS? Is the criticism of Reed's "Lola" as "transphobic" not laughable?

    1. Rhywun   8 years ago

      I do find it odd that one's terror group membership is now a protected class.

      1. Sports Reporter Charles Manson   8 years ago

        No, no, it's that he crititicized ISIS in the context of a pattern of harassment of Muslims.

        If he'd just said, "those violent extremists sure are violent, we must stay strong!" it would have been fine.

        1. Sports Reporter Charles Manson   8 years ago

          /sarc

        2. Rhywun   8 years ago

          "Pattern of harassment"? Who does he think he is, Trump?

    2. Careless   8 years ago

      That typo is a hate crime

  15. Bubba Jones   8 years ago

    The U.K. is the kind of place where you can be called racist for displaying an English flag.

    1. Sports Reporter Charles Manson   8 years ago

      ...which, when you get down to it, is basically half of the UK flag. So the UK flag is at least half racist if not more.

      1. Fuck you, Shikha (Nunya)   8 years ago

        Half racist is 200% racist.

  16. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   8 years ago

    protected characteristics

    So what now?

  17. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   8 years ago

    a safe space he is neither subscribed to nor a member of without her consent,"

    So there are rules here, I see.

  18. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   8 years ago

    Edinburgh is a public university in Scotland. Its students don't enjoy the same free speech protections as American public university students

    So then, really no free speech at all.

  19. DajjaI   8 years ago

    Secularism is a religion whose core doctrine is, "My belief that killing religious people is justified is not religious." It's a far greater threat to Western civilization than even militant Islam.

    1. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

      Please ban this commenter.

      1. Charles Easterly   8 years ago

        Very well... because you have requested this for yourself, I ban thee.

        1. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

          Dammit.

      2. Uncle Jay   8 years ago

        No, no.
        Don't ban him.
        I need the laughs.

    2. mattcid   8 years ago

      I must have fallen asleep during the sermon again.

  20. AlmightyJB   8 years ago

    Nice to hear at least one Scot still has a pair.

  21. Pro Libertate   8 years ago

    FREEE-DOMMM!!!

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   8 years ago

      "I wanna hear all the ladies say, 'Free', now all the fellas say 'Dumb'!"

      1. Pro Libertate   8 years ago

        You're doing it wrong.

    2. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

      "I'm afraid I just blue myself."

  22. Pogue Mahon   8 years ago

    "Travers published a decontextualized quote by Allman from a privileged conversation generated by minority students in a safe space he is neither subscribed to nor a member of without her consent," according to the complaint.

    decontextualized... privileged... minority... safe space... consent... BINGO! I have BINGO!

    1. Mickey Rat   8 years ago

      You are now under investigation.

  23. Uncle Jay   8 years ago

    RE: Is Edinburgh Really Investigating a Student for Mocking ISIS on Facebook?
    Student Robbie Travers is suspected of putting "minority students at risk and in a state of panic."

    I often said that political correctness is insanity on steroids.
    This is a good example of that.

  24. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

    The Daily Mail's story about the investigation cites Edinburgh student Esme Allman as Travers' accuser

    Esme's no angel.

    1. mattcid   8 years ago

      Not until her vest gets remotely detonated.

  25. Brian   8 years ago

    I get the concept of separation of church and state, but I really don't get the whole "religious groups need special protection" BS.

    If someone can say "republicans are idiots," then they should be able to say "Muslims are idiots." We judge people all the time for their ideas. Religious ideas shouldn't be specially protected.

    Slapping a "religion" label on stupid doesn't make it respectable and smart.

    1. Zeb   8 years ago

      The text of the rule ("religion or beliefs") seems to indicate that saying "republicans are idiots" would be forbidden as well.

    2. Sports Reporter Charles Manson   8 years ago

      "Muslims are idiots" is both a political and a religious view and is hence doubly protected under the First Amendment, which protects freedom of expression *and* freedom of religion.

      (Because of various technicalities, of course, the First Amendment doesn't apply to Scotland.)

  26. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    Is this the first time that The Daily Mail got play in an actual article?

  27. the wolf   8 years ago

    "If a university forbids merely offensive speech, then almost any statement could qualify."

    Yes, that's the way it works now. Don't be surprised when they're selective as to which statements qualify though.

  28. Paulina   8 years ago

    By this time you should already know that everything you put on the social platform can come back eventually and bite you in the ass. That's why you should always be careful about what you say online. For example, if I were to recommend a resume-writing service online I would say to check personal statement writing service UK and not be afraid to post it. But there are some things that you should keep private about your opinions because they can hurt some people. Thanks for the article.

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