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A.M. Links: Latest on North Korea, Trump vs. McConnell, Tesla Readies Self-Driving Semi-Truck

Damon Root | 8.10.2017 9:00 AM

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    New poll: 70 percent of Americans "believe the federal investigation into Russia's efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election in the US should be able to look into President Donald Trump's finances."

  • President Trump attacked Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell today on Twitter. "Can you believe that Mitch McConnell, who has screamed Repeal & Replace for 7 years, couldn't get it done," Trump wrote.
  • Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera says that Japan can shoot down a North Korean missile attack against Guam.
  • "The Algerian national suspected of ploughing a hire car into a group of soldiers in a wealthy Paris suburb is believed to be unknown to French intelligence services and had no criminal record, a police source said on Thursday."
  • Tesla is reportedly close to testing a prototype of a self-driving semi-truck.
  • Scientists at the Natural History Museum in London have named a recently discovered species of prehistoric sea crocodile after Motörhead singer and heavy metal icon Lemmy Kilmister. The crocodile will be known as Lemmysuchus obtusidens.

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Damon Root is a senior editor at Reason and the author of A Glorious Liberty: Frederick Douglass and the Fight for an Antislavery Constitution (Potomac Books).

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    70 percent of Americans "believe the federal investigation into Russia's efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election in the US should be able to look into President Donald Trump's finances."

    30 percent said, "Huh?"

    1. Rufus The Monocled   8 years ago

      Hello.

      30% are logical. Makes sense to me.

    2. Rhywun   8 years ago

      Since we know the Russians were meddling on all sides, I wonder what their response was when asked about Clinton's finances.

      1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

        Russians: "Nu, shto ti', tovarischi?" [hysterical laughter, sound of bottles being opened]

  2. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

    "Can you believe that Mitch McConnell, who has screamed Repeal & Replace for 7 years, couldn't get it done," Trump wrote.

    Yes.

    1. Rufus The Monocled   8 years ago

      McConnell looks like he'd be perfect cast as Pyjama boy's grandfather.

      Two generations of cucks!

    2. Jerryskids   8 years ago

      I can't believe Trump didn't make a deal with McConnell to get it done. It would have been simple and easy and everybody would have loved it.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    "Can you believe that Mitch McConnell, who has screamed Repeal & Replace for 7 years, couldn't get it done," Trump wrote.

    Yes?

    1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

      Seriously.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

        I picture Trump saying this into a mic while standing in front of a fake brick wall, as the setup to the opening joke of his act.

        1. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

          "What's the deal with government health care? It doesn't improve your health, and the government doesn't care."

          1. Tom Bombadil   8 years ago

            That's gold, Jerry. Gold!

  4. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

    Police: Man confessed to fatally shooting neighbor over dog droppings

    http://www.ajc.com/news/crime-.....o7oxpP0NM/

    1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

      Is this your way of letting us know you're finally going to prison?

      1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

        May you spend eternity eating the curdled cheese that grows in Donald Trump's ass crack.

        1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

          That's an awful lot of words to say "yes."

        2. Chinny Chin Chin   8 years ago

          That's easily the most beautiful thing you've ever written, PB

    2. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

      Dog droppings? Something is wrong with that poor dog.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera says that Japan can shoot down a North Korean missile attack against Guam.

    Oh, Japan just wants America to let it arm itself again.

    1. PurityDiluting   8 years ago

      "Japan in that case can exercise the right to "collective" self-defense and activate the Aegis destroyer ship-to-air missile defense system"

      I hope we trained them well on how to use our technology

    2. gaoxiaen   8 years ago

      I don't have a problem with that. Japan has Fat Boy Kim in their back yard.

  6. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

    A libertarian think tank published this: Why Libertarians and Conservatives Should Stop Opposing the Welfare State

    As a self-described "liberaltarian," I have come to a different point of view. I believe that, in the world we live in, a robust welfare state is a necessary element of a healthy free society. Contrary to usual libertarian assumptions, I see overwhelming evidence that government social programs greatly improve outcomes in key dimensions of human welfare. And I see no reason to think that there is any invisible hand that could guide the voluntary nonprofit sector toward matching or improving on the government's record. I therefore conclude that a purist libertarian program of severely reducing or completely zeroing out the welfare state would result in disastrous increases in human suffering. Compared to a typical progressive, I'm much more likely to be concerned about dependency traps and other perverse incentives, excessive and overweening bureaucracy, and rent-seeking shenanigans of various sorts. That said, my views clearly diverge from those of conventional libertarians and small-government conservatives.

    I literally just can't.

    1. Rich   8 years ago

      key dimensions of human welfare

      Nice band name.

      1. gaoxiaen   8 years ago

        I call them pussy, pot, pills, and panheads..

    2. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

      Weird, this kind of nonsense is usually more Salon's schtick.

    3. SIV   8 years ago

      It's Will Wilkinson so it can't be libertarian.

      1. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

        He didn't write it.

        1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

          Fool! "Brink Lindsey" is just one of Will Wilkinson's flesh-golems! You'd be able to see this if you had tertiary chicken syphilis.

    4. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

      I am getting a broken link. But I would not be surprised for something like that to come out of the Niskanen Center.

      1. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

        I am the weakest linker! HA!

        1. Rufus The Monocled   8 years ago

          I might be wrong, but I could swear this is not the first time Niskanen takes a left-libertarian stance on things.

          1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

            It's pretty much their mission statement.

            (and if you were being sarcastic, excuuuuuse me!)

            1. pan fried wylie   8 years ago

              No sarcasm font required, nicely done.

        2. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

          Brink is an interesting name.

    5. sarcasmic   8 years ago

      And I see no reason to think that there is any invisible hand that could guide the voluntary nonprofit sector toward matching or improving on the government's record.

      I've never seen anyone make that argument, so I'm calling "straw man."

      The libertarian argument is a moral one. That charity should be paid for by funds that are voluntarily given, as opposed to taken under threat of imprisonment. Not only that, but there is an opportunity cost for every tax dollar that is forcefully taken from the private sector. That money could be used to create jobs for those poor people, instead of giving them handouts.

      Whatever. I dub thee Straw Man Slayer Supreme!

      1. Rhywun   8 years ago

        That money could be used to create jobs for those poor people, instead of giving them handouts.

        LOL the poor can't work. They were born into a lower caste and are unable to better themselves. That's why they need our help.

        1. gaoxiaen   8 years ago

          No. That's why there are drug-dealing and prostitution.

      2. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

        You should read more.

        Not so much that there is an "invisible hand," but that private action can take care of the (deserving?) poor. That's a pretty common and contested argument among libertarians.

        1. Mmmmmm   8 years ago

          You should learn to read. The argument you're citing isn't the one being made.

          1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

            Yes, it is. Plenty argue that private charity and relief orgs will do better than the government. There is more than the morality of taxation argument.

    6. Rufus The Monocled   8 years ago

      I guess perfectly healthy people getting hooked on welfare when they should be working is considered to be a key component of a healthy society, huh.

      I have little problem with welfare. What I hate is the abuse and waste and the fact we're shamed if we try to cut and clean it up. The bottom line is the welfare doles can be reduced. It's immoral for us to put people who we know shouldn't be on it because it's enabling.

      I'd knock it off with corporate welfare too. Cut that shit out.

      1. Rufus The Monocled   8 years ago

        When I say, to clarify, 'little problem' I mean it in a pragmatic way because I don't think it's realistic that we'll ever get rid of it. Rather, from a moral stance, we need to be more selective as to who gets it and keep it at a minimum. No one gains when a healthy and productive person goes on welfare.

        1. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

          I agree that it is very unlikely the welfare state is going away, but libertarians should always be opposed to it. It's like trade in that way - there will never be totally free trade, and libertarians should always advocate for free trade.

          It's different if a libertarian-minded individual is working within the system and does the best they can to make the welfare state less onerous, or trade more freer, while still adhering to essential principles.

          1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

            The broad point about priorities is fair, and I generally agree with it, but that doesn't mean we should 'give up' or 'look the other way' at welfare until cronyism is addressed. If this is about practical politics, the fact is that substantive welfare cuts are not on the table, so what's the practical point of the piece? If we do get to a place where, say, SNAP is going to be scrapped in its entirety, but no progress has been made on licensing laws, farm subsidies and tariffs, zoning, etc. - sure, make an argument for keeping SNAP. But we're not anywhere close to that. And chances are that when we are there, we won't have the luxury of choosing what stays and what goes.

            IMO, the only good that libertarian rhetoric can accomplish is holding the state back at the margins. If you're gonna concede certain state actions as legit or not worth resisting, the ideology becomes pointless.

            1. BYODB   8 years ago

              If it's about 'practical politics' than all you should ever do is promise more welfare. Obviously. When it fails you can always just blame the opposition.

              That is what 'practical politics' looks like.

              1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

                As intuitive as it sounds, it's not at all clear that more goodies is a vote-getter. People do vote based on ideas, partisan allegiance, perceived character, etc., and not just narrow self-interest.

    7. Rhywun   8 years ago

      I'm much more likely to be concerned about dependency traps and other perverse incentives, excessive and overweening bureaucracy, and rent-seeking shenanigans of various sorts.

      If you're so concerned about these problems, you wouldn't be arguing for policies that are guaranteed to multiply them-- Jesus, it's like arguing with a five-year-old.

      1. BYODB   8 years ago

        Exactly. Welfare is a dependency trap, so saying you're worried about those but are still 'for welfare' means you just want to talk about the scope of the problem you're willing to create.

    8. Jerryskids   8 years ago

      I see overwhelming evidence that government social programs greatly improve outcomes in key dimensions of human welfare

      I'm much more likely to be concerned about dependency traps and other perverse incentives, excessive and overweening bureaucracy, and rent-seeking shenanigans of various sorts

      You don't think those two statements kinda conflict with each other? When you do a cost/benefit analysis, you gotta weigh all the costs, and when you consider that government wealth redistribution is not even a zero sum game but a negative sum game, the costs are astronomical.

    9. PurityDiluting   8 years ago

      "self-described "liberaltarian"
      liberal-tarian? that's a party of 1.

      1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

        Calling yourself a "liberaltarian" is how you say "i'm a progressive Democrat, but my libertarian friends have good weed, so..."

        1. gaoxiaen   8 years ago

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBShN8qT4lk

    10. Rebel Scum   8 years ago

      That said, my views clearly diverge from those of conventional libertarians and small-government conservatives

      That's because you are a wolf in sheep's clothing. You are a regressive leftist that is attempting to co-opt the term "libertarian".

    11. BYODB   8 years ago

      Yeah, that guy just discovered that he's a Progressive.

    12. CE   8 years ago

      Yeah, after governments take 50 percent of our wealth, the voluntary nonprofit sector can't help anyone. Gee, i wonder why not?

  7. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    The Algerian national suspected of ploughing a hire car into a group of soldiers in a wealthy Paris suburb is believed to be unknown to French intelligence services...

    I can't tell if this for them is better or worse than all the times it's one of the ones that are known to them.

    1. Rich   8 years ago

      Moreover, the person who believes the Algerian national to be unknown to French intelligence services is believed to be unknown to French intelligence services.

      1. Rhywun   8 years ago

        I hope he was sacked.

  8. Rich   8 years ago

    70 percent of Americans "believe the federal investigation into Russia's efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election in the US should be able to look into President Donald Trump's finances."

    And 80 percent of Americans "believe the federal investigation into Russia's efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election in the US should be able to look into former Secretary Clinton's server."

  9. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

    Former Trump staffers A.J. Delgado, Jason Miller welcome child conceived on campaign trail

    A.J. Delgado, who served as a transition adviser, and Jason Miller, the married former White House communications director, welcomed a son last month, she revealed Tuesday.

    Ew.

    1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

      Two ugly people can often breed to produce beautiful children, so this kid might luck out.

      1. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

        True, but all the asymmetries have to cancel just right, so it is unlikely.

      2. Tom Bombadil   8 years ago

        "Two ugly people can often breed to produce beautiful children"

        Usually takes interracial to pull that off.

        1. Rhywun   8 years ago

          And even then you have to cross your fingers.

      3. gaoxiaen   8 years ago

        +1 ugly DNA. NTTAWWT.

    2. Liberty =><= Equality   8 years ago

      You're telling me Donald Trump tolerates infidelity? ::shocked face::

  10. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    Tesla is reportedly close to testing a prototype of a self-driving semi-truck.

    No word on whether or not JCVD will be doing splits on it.

  11. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

    6 SC deputies disciplined, fired for having sex while on duty

    Two former Employees of the Month for the York County Sheriff's Office are now former employees.

    Sheriff Kevin Tolson said he fired Sgt. Jennifer Forsythe and Deputy Daniel Hamrick for having sex on duty this year.

    The sheriff said an internal investigation revealed between 2003 and now, Forsythe had sexual relations with five deputies on the job.

    I don't know, when a woman who looks like that is dtf, what choice does a man have?

    1. Liberty =><= Equality   8 years ago

      I wouldn't touch her with Dunphy's dick.

      1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

        Maybe she's got a good personality?

    2. Tom Bombadil   8 years ago

      You see what happens when cops aren't allowed to extort good-looking prostitutes on duty?

    3. gaoxiaen   8 years ago

      Pics or didn't happen.

  12. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

    "The Algerian national suspected of ploughing a hire car into a group of soldiers in a wealthy Paris suburb is believed to be unknown to French intelligence services and had no criminal record, a police source said on Thursday."

    Whaddaya mean sacrificing essential human liberties to build a panopticon security state doesn't work?!?

    1. Liberty =><= Equality   8 years ago

      The death toll would have been smaller, except the French soldiers thought it was a battle exercise and attempted to preemptively surrender to the car.

  13. Liberty =><= Equality   8 years ago

    What the fuck's a Lemmy?

    1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

      I literally can't even.

      1. Liberty =><= Equality   8 years ago

        Not a Game of Thrones fan I take it.

        1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

          THAT'S LOMMY YOU ASSHOLE

    2. sarcasmic   8 years ago

      Ace Of Spades

    3. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

      Lemmy is God.

      1. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

        Does this crocodile have a giant mole?

  14. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

    Splitting opinion... The jeans with a zip that means they really do come as a pair!

    The latest trend in denim is for a zip that runs down the front, underneath and up to join the waistband at the back ? splitting the trousers in two.

    despite the apparent impracticality of having a zip that runs from front to back, there are some benefits.

    Elle magazine adds that they could be 'really great for the weak-bladdered'.

    I hope they make them in my size!

    *fingers crossed*

    1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

      Fact: Crusty's pants size is "irregular."

      1. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

        Crusty wears chaps. And no underwear, of course. Also, mutton chops.

    2. Rich   8 years ago

      You know who else was 'really great for the weak-bladdered'?

      1. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

        The Stadium Buddy?

      2. Liberty =><= Equality   8 years ago

        The piss boy that you look like.

    3. gaoxiaen   8 years ago

      They're very abrasive, but I can deal with that.

    4. perlchpr   8 years ago

      These were around at least 20 years ago. *fond memories*

    5. Rebel Scum   8 years ago

      Sounds like a good way to get ones scrotum caught in a zipper.

  15. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

    Trump-like chicken at White House ruffles feathers on Twitter

    The 30 ft (9m) tall bird, referred to as "Chicken Don", stands between the official residence of the US president and the famous Washington Monument.

    Eat your heart out, French Resistance.

    1. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

      SIV just nutted.

      1. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

        There's not nearly enough girdle.

        1. gaoxiaen   8 years ago

          Griddle?

  16. Troy muy grande boner   8 years ago

    http://www.breitbart.com/londo.....re-racist/

    1. Troy muy grande boner   8 years ago

      Immigration is awesome.

      1. Troy muy grande boner   8 years ago

        Your daughter getting raped is a price Nick and company is willing to pay so they can virtue signal at their cocktail parties.

        1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

          Have you considered switching to decaf?

          1. Liberty =><= Equality   8 years ago

            Decaf cocktails? Hell no. I take my Long Island Ice Tea with Four Loko.

            1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

              The last weekend you can actually remember was in 1998!

        2. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

          So what is your remedy to the Muslim problem?

          1. Liberty =><= Equality   8 years ago

            There's been some scholarship done on analogous problems in the past century.

          2. Troy muy grande boner   8 years ago

            Deportation

            1. Troy muy grande boner   8 years ago

              And not letting them in in the first place.

            2. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

              "Deportation".

              Okay. Thanks for answering even though our Constitution won't allow it.

              Of course we could amend the Constitution.

    2. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

      All the little Brat-bitches are demanding that all Muslims be killed or deported.

      And yet they "love the Constitution".

      1. Troy muy grande boner   8 years ago

        Tony. The face of Reason. Good job buddy. You won.

        1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

          First, I am not Tony you jackass.

          And second, I despise Islam.

          I would just like you to propose a legal remedy to this problem.

          1. Troy muy grande boner   8 years ago

            Tony ... buttplug... eh... what's the difference?

            1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

              Tony is just a childish hedonistic jackass, shreek is actually mentally ill.

          2. BYODB   8 years ago

            So in your view it is unconstitutional to limit immigration? Do tell.

  17. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

    The Committee to Save America

    Here's one of the most intriguing ? and consequential ? theories circulating inside the White House:

    The generals, the New Yorkers and Republican congressional leaders see themselves as an unofficial committee to protect Trump and the nation from disaster.
    This loose alliance is informal.
    But as one top official told us: "If you see a guy about to stab someone with a knife, you don't need to huddle to decide to grab the knife."

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: we are heading for a Seven Days in May-esque showdown

    1. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

      I can't wait that long.

    2. Troy muy grande boner   8 years ago

      A real coup would be nothing less than civil war

      1. gaoxiaen   8 years ago

        Do you have a point?

  18. colorblindkid   8 years ago

    I hate polls and don't take anything from them. Not because of sampling or because of media bias or because they make Trump look bad. I hate them on most topics such as these because most Americans have no fucking idea what they are talking about. most Americans either don't follow the news or get their news from one-sided sources. I hate them because people act as if they are supposed to mean that the government should do something about something as long as some poll says people care. That's not how it works.

    1. Jerryskids   8 years ago

      I hate them because people act as if they are supposed to mean that the government should do something about something as long as some poll says people care. That's not how it works.

      Unfortunately, for a lot of politicians, that is how it works. Enough people argue for repealing the laws of supply and demand, of reason and logic and math, politicians promise to repeal them.

    2. Chinny Chin Chin   8 years ago

      most Americans either don't follow the news or get their news from one-sided sources

      Did you learn that from a poll, or have you spoken to most Americans?

  19. Troy muy grande boner   8 years ago

    I like those di-hydrogen oxygen scares the Top Men fall for cuz they are effectively retarded

    1. BYODB   8 years ago

      It's di-hydrogen monoxide...

  20. Troy muy grande boner   8 years ago

    But back to my point, open borders libertarians are nothing less than rape apologist.

    1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

      That's... not actually true, nor is it a point.

      1. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

        ^ Rape apologist.

        1. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

          Interesting fact: All Canadian rapists are rape apologists.

          1. $park? leftist poser   8 years ago

            +1 sooree aboot dat, eh

      2. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

        That is your GOP brethren speaking.

        1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

          Noticing that you're a crazy person doesn't make me GOP, shreek.

        2. Tom Bombadil   8 years ago

          Hey Ignatius.
          A few days ago you were ranting about what a pure libertarian you are and how everyone here is a Team Red, Trumptard.
          I have no recollection, but maybe you can give a few examples of the times you said a contrary word against the warmonger, socialist, Imperial President Obama.

    2. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

      Are we more, at least?

  21. Rebel Scum   8 years ago

    Tesla is reportedly close to testing a prototype of a self-driving semi-truck.

    To be hacked and run through a crowd of people by a terrorist from the comfort of his cave.

    1. BYODB   8 years ago

      I don't think you're going to need to hack one of those things for a disaster to happen; it's just innate in the idea of a driverless vehicle. It's akin to someone saying that we should trust spellcheck and autodictation programs to write all documents for us without review. Sure, that'll work out well. And that's something that's far, far easier than driving.

      1. CE   8 years ago

        Self-driving vehicles are already better than human drivers. In a few more years they will be a lot better.

        1. Mmmmmm   8 years ago

          Ahahahahahahahahhaahahahhah

          No. Just, no.

  22. Rebel Scum   8 years ago

    President Trump attacked Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell today on Twitter. "Can you believe that Mitch McConnell, who has screamed Repeal & Replace for 7 years, couldn't get it done,"

    "See that guy? Yea? Fuck that guy."

    Donald then called him an impotent, small-handed, wuss.

  23. Rhywun   8 years ago

    ? Donald Trump is comin' to town! ?

    "I don't believe he incorporates any of our values," said City Council Speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito. "And so I know there's a large number of people that did not vote for him. Therefore, I believe he's not welcome here."

    She is correct in that Trump has shown no propensity for race-hustling or hanging out with Communists so there is that.

  24. Rebel Scum   8 years ago

    Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera says that Japan can shoot down a North Korean missile attack against Guam.

    Know who else attacked Guam?

    1. Rich   8 years ago

      Hank Johnson?

  25. Robespierre Josef Stalin   8 years ago

    Hey guys,

    Yesterday, I learned that abandoning a massively expensive nuclear weapons programs that can be exercised by the state to kill a billion people or so in an afternoon wasn't a part of a reasonable libertarian critique of government. It's still ok, though, to take away Medicaid benefits from poor people. Whew! Thanks guys.

    1. Tom Bombadil   8 years ago

      Medicaid benefits can never be "taken away". But the "giving away" can come to an end. There is a difference and that's part of what makes you not a libertarian.

      1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

        I'm pretty sure amsoc is aware that he's just a troll (for some value of "aware").

        1. Robespierre Josef Stalin   8 years ago

          How am I being troll? I'm arguing that we should get rid of these expensive moral obscenities that can't be used by anyone except a paranoid lunatic. You would think thatlibertarians would be all about limited the scope of government, but the philosophy seems curiously selective about what it wants to limit. I'd say its reliance on various Randian assholes doesn't help the cause.

          1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

            You might try re-reading your entire posting history here, if you're confused as to why a reasonable person would consider you a troll.

            Also: noticing that you are a disingenuous douchebag is NOT a defense of nukes.

    2. BYODB   8 years ago

      So if we got rid of all our nukes, your claim is that the rest of the world will follow suit? Cool story.

    3. notJoe   8 years ago

      It's so cute when hardcore leftists worry about people dying.

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