Rockville Rape: Punish the Illegal Immigrants Who Attacked a 14-Year-Old Student, and Only Them
Paranoia about illegal immigrant violence is just that.

A horrifying sexual assault at a high school in Montgomery County, Maryland, is drawing national attention because the alleged perpetrators are believed to be illegal immigrants, or at least persons of interest for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The White House called it "cause for concern," and asked the city to look at its policies.
What happened to the victim is truly appalling, and authorities should deal with her assailants harshly. (That's assuming they are guilty, which seems very likely in this case.) Give them due process, but by all means, deport them.
Unfortunately, this story fits snugly into both a far-right conservative framework—i.e., illegal immigrants are filthy rapists—and a far-left liberal framework—i.e., schools are rape factories. The potential for overreaction on the part of school officials, policymakers, and the public, seems high.
Here's what happened, according to The Washington Post:
A 14-year-old girl was pushed into a boys bathroom at Rockville High School on Thursday morning and raped by two other students during school hours, according to Montgomery County District Court records filed Friday.
Police arrested two ninth-graders, Henry E. Sanchez, 18, and Jose O. Montano, 17, who appeared in court Friday and were ordered held without bond.
"I believe that you are a danger," District Judge Eugene Wolfe told Sanchez.
On Thursday morning, Montano forced the girl, who told police she knew him as a friend, into a bathroom after asking her to have sex with him, which she refused, according to court documents.
The girl tried to resist being dragged into a bathroom stall, clinging to a sink, as Montano pulled her then shoved her into a stall, the court records state.
The two took turns holding the girl down and sexually assaulting her as she cried out, fought back and repeatedly told them to stop, according to police affidavits filed in court.
A noise at the bathroom door caused Sanchez to leave the bathroom, and Montano to put his hand over the girl's mouth to keep her quiet, according to the affidavits.
The girl eventually got out of the bathroom and told a staff member what happened. Detectives interviewed Sanchez and Montano and found evidence in the bathroom, according to authorities.
This is a not a he-said / she-said scenario, or a case of regretted consensual sex. The victim was much younger than the attackers, and was not incapacitated. Evidence suggests she fought them the entire time. The case seems remarkably unambiguous: Montano and Sanchez committed a horrible crime.
They should pay for it dearly. In fact, they should probably be deported. There's nothing un-libertarian about kicking people out of the country if they commit serious crimes unrelated to their immigration status.
Here's what White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer had to say:
"I think part of the reason that the president has made illegal immigration and crackdown such a big deal is because of tragedies like this," Spicer said. "We act so many times when we talk about this and say why is the president dealing with this, because of this priority. Well, part of the reason is because of the tragedy that this young girl dealt with, had inflicted upon her, whatever the word is, but this is why he is passionate about this."
But, as Shikha Dalmia has argued in the pages of Reason, study after study shows that immigrants do not commit more crimes than native-born Americans. Moreover, illegal immigrants do not commit a disproportionate share of crime, according to The New York Times.
And yet, you can almost hear the townsfolk sharpening their pitchforks. Many are concerned that sanctuary cities—which vow not to deport illegal immigrants—are somehow emboldening school rapists.
Keep in mind that schools are safer than ever. According to the National Center for Education Statistics' most recently available data, the school victimization rate plummeted 86 percent between 1992 and 2014. In 1992, about 70 out of ever 1,000 students were victims of violent crime—including sexual assaults. By 2014, it was only about 19 out of every 1,000 students.
Which is not to say that schools are perfectly safe and crime-free. But what happened at Rockville High School is well outside the norm. It's appropriate for the school to revisit its policies to make sure this incident wasn't preventable. But we ought to be wary of overreacting to one incident. We certainly don't need more cops in schools, and we don't need to punish all immigrants because some of them invariably commit serious crimes.
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Police arrested two ninth-graders, Henry E. Sanchez, 18, and Jose O. Montano, 17, who appeared in court Friday and were ordered held without bond.
Ninth-graders, eh?
There's no doubt that, right or wrong, incidents - incidences - no, incidents like these are going to nicely feed the narrative that helped sway the presidential election. You can argue all you want that individuals and not cultures or immigration policy or whatever should solely be held responsible, but it's not going to matter. A sympathetic victim is going to trump that every time.
Yeah, how are an 18-year-old and a 17-year-old in ninth grade?
It's possible as immigrants that true their age was not known. It may also be a language thing.
Probably both. That brings up the bigger question of why they were in school at all. Fuck them. Even if you say we should let them stay, we sure as hell don't owe them a free education.
Letting them stay without educating them comes with a price, as well.
Not really. I doubt these kids were being educated at all.
Not really. They can learn a trade on the job.
Civics. Economics. How to balance a checkbook. How not to rape.
All sorely lacking from public schools on a nearly universal scale. Let's not place too much stock in the purported social benefits afforded by government schools.
Ya, well too late for that 14 year old that they got a humanist and civics education.
I doubt they came for education.
Look at all the adorable bigots.
Fuck off, DanO.
It's possible as immigrants that true their age was not known.
Huh. That's a bizarre phrasing. Maybe also an immigrant I am, Dagobah from.
No Child Left Behind. Thanks, Bush!
You can't beat their ass when they're little hoodlums or kick their ass out of school when they're bigger hoodlums, their ass in a seat is how the school makes money. And now you're gonna have a campaign for some new social welfare program that'll cost money and detract even further from the school's supposed mission of teaching kids to read and write and add and subtract and keep your goddamn mitts off of shit that don't belong to you.
Im 25, no 18, no 15...failed states that we continue to try to pacify...
If they enter high school but don't bring high school records with them, they have to start as freshmen.
Because they're dumb?
Maybe they're stupid.
-jcr
Unfortunately, this story fits snugly into both a far-right conservative framework?i.e., illegal immigrants are filthy rapists?and a far-left liberal framework?i.e., schools are rape factories.
Republicans and Democrats can finally work together on a bi-partisan issue and you use the word 'unfortunately'?
"Unfortunately" - for whom?
A legal immigrant would lose his green card for committing this offense or even lesser offenses. Why should an illegal immigrant be shielded from deportation when a legal immigrant would surely be deported?
The studies that Shikha cites lump legal and illegal immigrants together. Legal immigrants are so law abiding because otherwise they will lose their residency.
Nobody's saying they shouldn't be deported after raping someone.
In this incident, yes. However, sanctuary city policies would shield typical criminal from ICE deportation orders. It doesn't work that way for legal immigrants.
That is why this position is so asinine and you'd be hard pressed to find a legal immigrant that supports special protections for illegal immigrants
A sanctuary city is a city that asserts that their local criminal jurisdiction trumps federal administrative jurisdiction. If an illegal immigrant is convicted of a crime and sent to count, state or federal jail, then they are outside of the city's jurisdiction and the Feds can wave their administrative junk about all they want.
Undocumented persons who commit rape will eventually get deported (preferable AFTER they serve their sentence).
No they won't. They will only get deported if the state tells ICE they have them. and many states do not do that.
Actually in some cities they won't. Take a look at the crimes you can commit in Austin as an illegal immgrant and not get reported to ICE.
Operative word "some".
Male Norwegian politician raped by asylum seeker says he feels GUILTY that his attacker will now be deported because the man might suffer back in Somalia
Revealed: Just one in five foreign rapists in Sweden are ever deported to their home countries
Isn't Sweden the happiest place on earth?
That's Norway, and if you confuse the two, the Norwegians will set you straight real quick.
Heh, reminds me of the Thor Gundersen character in Hell on Wheels.
"That's Norway, and if you confuse the two, the Norwegians will set you straight real quick."
Think about WW11; the Swedes have better neighbors.
That Norwegian dude is almost as cucked as Robby!
Good news for Robby
She means that as a compliment.
whoa.
The Daily Mail can't do their maths. 13% is less than one in six.
Jesus.
Maybe progressivism IS a mental disorder!
It's mental disease and well-intentioned evil, all rolled into one frustratingly immortal package.
Collective Munchausen
Okay deport them. How do you plan to keep them from getting back in? You are saying we shouldn't control the border. So what difference does deporting them make?
Moreover, if everyone has a right to free movement, what right do we have to deport anyone? That doesn't make any sense.
Why is the fact that they are illegal aliens even relevant?
Did their immigration status cause them to rape people?
Is there any evidence that illegal aliens are more likely to commit rapes?
For the same reasons a black man was shot by a white officer.
There are two kinds of people in this world, forward-thinking people who believe race is at the heart of everything, and racists who don't.
DNA has everything to do with it.
Why is the fact that they are illegal aliens even relevant?
Why indeed.
Because they were here because of choices we and our government made.
And Don't Go Back To Rockville.
https://youtu.be/6fXCjSgItgw
Which is a real shame.
Because no citizen or legal resident has EVER committed rape.
We can discuss whether or not illegal immigrants should be deported if found, but the narrative that rape happens because we have not conducted a nationwide dragnet for illegal immigrants is ludicrous.
Sure citizens commit rape. So what? If these assholes had never bene allowed in, they wouldn't have committed rape here.
And as I explain below, if we hung them and let their bodies rot as a warning to others, I bet we wouldn't have to worry about illegal aliens raping many more women.
Sure citizens commit rape. So what?
Exactly.
Is there a way to keep citizen rapists out of the country? Not that I know of. But I can think of a great way to keep illegal alien rapists out of the country. We will still have rape, but we will have less of it.
Is there a way to keep citizen rapists out of the country?
Exile (deport) them all. The potential ones too, just like immigrants. And since everyone could maybe be a rapist one day, we'll just have to exile everyone. The country will then be free of rapists.
We can't exile them consistent with the constitution. And exiling them after the rape doesn't prevent the rape. We can, however, deport illegal aliens consistent with the Constitution. If you want to amend the constitution and allow the exiling of rapists, good luck with that. IN the mean time, we can deport every single illegal we fins and thus prevent every crime they would have committed, had they been allowed to stay in the country.
We can't exile them consistent with the constitution.
The federal government can't regulate immigration and be consistent with the constitution either. Not a plain reading of it anyway.
And exiling them after the rape doesn't prevent the rape.
Right. That's why you have to exile them beforehand. The way to prevent rape in this country is to make sure no potential rapist is in the country.
We can, however, deport illegal aliens consistent with the Constitution.
The feds can't.
If you want to amend the constitution and allow the exiling of rapists
No no. Exile anyone who could conceivably rape someone someday because the way to prevent rape in this country is to make sure no potential rapist is in the country.
The federal government can't regulate immigration and be consistent with the constitution either. Not a plain reading of it anyway.
Given that the government has been regulating immigration since 1790, I think that's a moot point.
"The federal government can't regulate immigration and be consistent with the constitution either. Not a plain reading of it anyway."
Huh?????
The way to prevent rape in this country is to make sure no potential rapist is in the country.
Because there is a constitutionally approved test for determining who is a potential rapist.
LOL
We could start with the Catholic priests. Deport em.
Priests get a pass. Because Jesus was an Aryan.
I can think of a great way to keep illegal alien rapists out of the country
How do you keep them out of the country BEFORE they commit rape? Not have any immigration at all?
You know, there will be fewer rapes if we have mandatory abortions. Fewer bebies = fewer rapes later when they become adults. We can eliminate rape completely if everyone refrains from reproducing.
Your ability to slay the strawman you built is impressive.
I'll give you an analogy.
If my kids break shit in my house, it is a problem but nothing huge because, in the end, they're my kids in my house. I'll deal with the mess and punish them accordingly.
Some kids I DON'T KNOW come into my house and break shit and police will be called.
I had a few friends who were 18-19 when they were freshmen and sophomores - they were refugees from Cambodia and Laos, and some of the nicest people I ever knew.
Jail these scum bags a long long time. Only after they spend years behind bars, deport them.
They should pay for it dearly. In fact, they should probably be deported.
Probably? That is awfully bold of you. We have finally found someone who they will support deporting or might support. If you participate in a gang rape of a 14-year-old girl, Reason will admit that yea you probably ought to be deported, but they are not sure about it.
Reason makes me want to vomit on this issue. How about we lock these animals up for the rest of their worthless lives? How about that? Or better yet cut their nuts off and hang them in front of the courthouse, after being fairly convicted of course, and leave their bodies to rot and feed the crows as a warning to others. I kind of like that idea myself. But whatever we do, we might have to get serious and deport them. Might mind you. We still are not sure these litle dreamers deserve another chance.
You could at least pretend to believe in due process.
Due process is not the same as cruel and unusual punishment. Different amendments and different issues.
And hey, I find gang rape infuriating. I am sure that is puzzling to politically obsessed assholes like you who see a case like this and immediately think "oh my God this might mean bad things for illegals".
Hey, that girl should be happy. She is just helping ensure Central Americans can come to America.
John believes in revenge as a means of addressing years of frustration.
You are in charge of fund raising for Reason, a magazine that covers about a twelfth or it's cost with advertising and subscriptions, what exactly can you sell to the billionaire that keep you afloat other than "we will endlessly shill for open borders."
"Open borders" is a shortcut for the intellectually lazy, a catch-all term for "people who disagree with my politics." It's Rush Limbaugh- and Sean Hannity-level ethics, a barely disguised bigotry.
Or better yet cut their nuts off and hang them in front of the courthouse, after being fairly convicted of course, and leave their bodies to rot and feed the crows as a warning to others.
As castration, public hanging and display of the corpses are all illegal why bother with a "fair conviction"? Just lynch the bastards.
^ Might be aroused by acts of vigilantism.
"Moreover, illegal immigrants do not commit a disproportionate share of crime, according to The New York Times."
Even if accepted as completely true I still don't understand the argument, as it's still just an increase in crime being committed that can be stopped.
As it stand now, the longer an Hispanic immigrant (legal or illegal) is in the US the more likely they are to commit a crime, and ones who've been in the country around 20 years have the same rate as Hispanic natives. (Which, again, is much higher than most of the country)
We letting people into the country who come from places that are so lousy that an American prison is preferable. So, prison doesn't deter them. I guarantee you these little bastards could give a shit less that they are in jail. They likely are enjoying themselves in jail and certainly don't fucking care about whatever sentence the state of Maryland is going to give them.
So we either put up with the criminality or resort to ways of punishing them that does get their attention or we never let them in the country in the first place. Those are the choices.
This has always the defense of immigration with respect to the collapse of US cities.
Looking at Minneapolis or LA today vs 50 years ago and they're obvious disasters, but because the population of the cities has increased it's used as de facto proof that they're actually getting better/aren't any worse. The answer seems clear to me, they're only an improvement over Central American and Middle Easter/African cities, not their former selves.
It would be nice if libertarians could be at least as honest as Ron Unz and articulate what they really mean illegal immigrants are less violent than Blacks rather than pretending that illegal immigrants are committing crimes at the rate of soccer moms.
Yes, Ron Unz is fantastic and for the most part he's defended Hispanic immigration to the US in the past, but at least he's not trying to pull a fast one and masking everything with statistical aggregations.
The only kind of disaggregation that isn't racist is immigrant and native.
TK doesn't understand. Not only are they taking our jerbs, they is unemploying our criminals.
People throw that "illegals commit less crimes" around like it is supposed to mean we should be fine with it.
They open more taco trucks.
Some peoples babies grow up to commit crimes. If we stop people from having babies then that would be crimes that could be eliminated too.
I mean these kids could possibly grow up and open up a taco truck so I am uncomfortable with the idea of deporting them.
Apparently, Robby sympathizes with you on that. I mean rape is bad and all but Robby understands that it is only probably justifies deporting them.
Aw, two bigots kissing. Adorbs!
Fuck off, DanO.
And the big issue for Robby and reason is, of course, the effect it might have on sacred illegal immigrants. Would it be too much to aks that Reason ever just once get angry about some horrific atrocity committed by one of their pet groups?
Hey John, you've made this same comment about 40,000 times over the years, and about 10 times in this thread alone. Do you think that, this time, you'll get different results? Or are you truly insane?
and a far-left liberal framework?i.e., schools are rape factories.
Is this the far-left liberal framework? I thought it was only bourgeois semi-self-funding institutes of higher learning that were rape factories and the well-oiled, union-run public school system was a finely tuned educational machine.
It's a way for Robby to pretend that aggressively insulating illegal immigrants from punishment isn't muy bueno from the left's view.
Yeah, I'm not sure whether to hold Robby's inclusion against him or Reason.
The whole notion of conflating 'The girl eventually got out of the bathroom and told a staff member what happened. Detectives interviewed Sanchez and Montano and found evidence in the bathroom, according to authorities.' with '6 mos. after getting blackout drunk and waking up naked, victim eventually suffered buyer's remorse, filed paperwork with the university without evidence' is pretty fucking egregious.
Egregiously weaselly that is.
Why deport? Try them as adults, give them a fair trial, convict, and then put them away so the rest of us are safe. If deported what happens to them?
Hopefully they get murdered by some drug cartel a few hours after getting off the plane.
Shipping them back, via air freight, to countries unknown in order to fend for themselves would be an unconscionable violation of their human rights. Locking them in a cage with more and more violent rapists and murderers and forcing them to sink or swim there is really the *only* rational, humane *and* cost-effective option.
/sarc
People act shocked about the possibility of hanging them but is hanging them any less cruel than sending them to prison as you accurately describe?>
They can't open taco trucks. I say we don't try them or convict. Instead we raise the capital necessary for them to open a taco truck.
No one told them they couldn't rape the other girls in their class. This is just a cultural issue. Diversity is our strength you know.
^ Might be a bigot.
Fuck off, DanO.
One response to this would be for ICE to just descend on Montgomery country and deport every single illegal there. This would send a very strong message to the Hispanic community that it is a very bad thing when something like this happens. This, in turn, would create a tremendous amount of social pressure against this happening. My guess is that doing that would be so bad for business for the various Hispanic gangs operating in the country, that both of these little bastards would be shanked in jail before they ever came to trial. And that gangs in other counties would make it very clear to the community that raping someone in school or victimizing the native community was a way to end up with your head cut off.
I really dont understand the dems position here. Isnt sanctuary cities basically not enforcing immigration status of those arrested?
I saw cali and wants to become a sanctuary state. Are they looking to protect criminals?
My understanding is sanctuary cities arent just allowing illegals to live seeing how they live everywhere
Holy Shit, it's like a bronze-age lynch mob in here.
The worlds going to get really tough for you to take titty-baby.
I'm sorry, are you coming on to me?
Do you come onto a lot of babies? You are one fucked up dude.
Yeah, look, dude, I'm straight. It's cool and all. But a charmer like you is sure to find Mr. Right, if you just keep at it. Good Luck!
Welcome to the shitshow that is an immigration thread. All our pet racists are on parade.
That's right. Having any immigration policy position other than unrestricted entry and subsidized immigration is like totally a parade of racism.
If we don't have immigration, there won't be any crime! Especially not rape!
That's not even a half decent strawman.
It's nice that there are so few now. Easier to identify and publicly shame.
Just heard on the news that New Castle County, DE schools is considering becoming a "sanctuary school." Don't these clowns read about shit like happened in Maryland, or don't they care?
Surgically castrate them and deport their testicles. They can become court eunuchs for the ninth circuit. Everybody is happy. Simple.
Have the deportation argument in twenty years when they get out of jail and are ready to start tenth grade.
One rationalizes owning a firearm for the same reason one rationalizes the wisdom of limiting the illegal entry of unknowns.
'Common sense' security is only contorted into states of 'paranoia' by those uninterested in applying logic in order to grasp the specters of risk that form the basis for objective self-defense strategies without which one would be a limpid vulnerable husk available to satiate the appetite of any passing slitherer.
Robbie, would you please cite a main stream conservative who is claiming that illegal immigrants are filthy rapists? I don't know who you are talking about.
But, as Shikha Dalmia has argued in the pages of Reason, study after study shows that immigrants do not commit more crimes than native-born Americans. Moreover, illegal immigrants do not commit a disproportionate share of crime, according to The New York Times.
This is an incredible couple of sentences.
From the Shikha article
And what about compared to less-educated aliens, many of whom are undocumented? In 2010, 18-39 year-old native-borns had an incarceration rate of 10.7 percent ? three times more than foreign-born Mexicans, and five times more than Salvadaron and Guatemalan, many of whom are undocumented.
What that link actually says
The 2010 Census data reveals that incarceration rates among the young, less-educated Mexican, Salvadoran, and Guatemalan men who make up the bulk of the unauthorized population are significantly lower than the incarceration rate among native-born young men without a high-school diploma. In 2010, less-educated native-born men age 18-39 had an incarceration rate of 10.7 percent?more than triple the 2.8 percent rate among foreign-born Mexican men, and five times greater than the 1.7 percent rate among foreign-born Salvadoran and Guatemalan men.
For the remaining Shikha defenders, this is why everyone else hates her. There's no defense for this. It's just plain stupidity.
The only thing in the NYT article that speaks to Robbie's claim is this
And experts say the available evidence does not support the idea that undocumented immigrants commit a disproportionate share of crime.
"There's no way I can mess with the numbers to get a different conclusion," said Alex Nowrasteh, immigration policy analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute, which advocates more liberal immigration laws.
Not that by "mess with the numbers", he's talking about controlling for various SES stuff, which is what they always do for reasons they never explain.
There's no link to a study or data set, just the single sentence from a professional open borders advocate
why the fixation on a "disproportionate" share of the crime? It reads like their committing a particular percentage of it is okay, so long as that percentage is not out of whack with their numbers as a whole. Jeezus, why not just say that it's okay for a few people to be raped or murdered or whatever by any group so long as that group's criminal activity is proportional to its population.
White people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce because they commit crime. No racial group that commits crime should be allowed to exist.
Blacks commit a wildly disproportionate amount of crimes in the US and the world over. So when someone claims that immigrants commit less crimes, on average, than americans, on average, this is worth consideration. And I believe that I just committed a hate crime circa 2025. I'll speak up while I still have a chance. And it's not american blacks, my countrymen, that make me worry.
Blacks commit a wildly disproportionate amount of crimes in the US and the world over.
I hadn't noticed.
For the remaining Shikha defenders, this is why everyone else hates her.
Don't attempt to justify your own irrationalism and bigotry by an appeal to ad populum. Logical fallacies are not convincing arguments.
Fuck off, DanO.
So basically the link actually says *exactly the same thing* that Dalmia says.
Thanks.
2010, 18-39 year-old native-borns had an incarceration rate of 10.7 percent
uh huh
The problem is that because they are illegal, the school system literally doesn't know anything about them. For all we know they had a past history of violence.
(Not to mention, school costs money, we shouldn't be educating illegals)
"They should pay for it dearly. In fact, they should probably be deported."
But only after serving a very long sentence (so that when they come back into this country after being deported, they'll lack a lot of the piss and vinegar that drives young men to commit crimes of violence).
The good news is David Brock had a heart attack.
The bad news is he's expected to make a full recovery.
I had hoped the heart attack was a precursor to something painfully malignant.
Besides Hillary.
I think what will happen is that the soccer moms of Montgomery County will now demand cameras in school restrooms, or at least a guard outside, which of course will cause transgender students to scream bloody murder, and the county will take no action so as not to offend them.
Ugh. Way to belittle people's lived experiences.
Never learn anything ever. Never question the dogma.
Open Borders Uber Alles!
Hohum, another prison rape story. Why, just the other day I saw an article claiming prison rape is almost non-existent. Nobody cares about prison rape, and they all had it comin'
Some would consider 3%, with a reporting error of +/- 3%, at odds with the libertarian "rape cage" hyperbole.
The potential for overreaction on the part of school officials, policymakers, and the public, seems high.
^ Especially the public.
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Holy Shit, it's like a bronze-age lynch mob in here.
Thread-winner.
hang the bastards and then hang all the illegals. You libtards are killing our country with your mamby pamby bull shit. You are a bunch of snow flake assholes. Move to California and kill yourself.
I don't like arguing whether or not illegals commit more crime. That misses the point. They are illegal and therefore infringing on my liberty to reserve the resources of this country for its citizens. Get them out, they are breaking the law.
Reason quotes the New York Times for support. Laughable.
The biggest farce is believing government statistics about school safety. As anybody with any knowledge of what's been happening for the past eight years with the Obama Regime and Holder justice department, schools have been ordered to not suspend black students, to not suspend illegal aliens, and schools and police to not report crime which means these statistics are down regardless of what the real numbers are. For most things the police don't even roll out in Detroit. Just watch a few Colin Flaherty videos to get a feel for what's really going on.