Black Markets and Grassroots Disobedience are Transforming North Korea
A defector to the South thinks Kim Jong-un's days are numbered.


Thae Yong Ho, a North Korean diplomat who defected to the South last year, today told reporters in Seoul that the "traditional structures of the North Korean system are crumbling." According to The New York Times' report from his press conference, Thae described
unofficial markets in North Korea where women trade goods, mostly smuggled from China. The vendors used to be called "grasshoppers" because they would pack and flee whenever they saw the police approaching. Now, they are called "ticks" because they refuse to budge, demanding a right to make a living…
Thae also said, "Low-level dissent or criticism of the regime, until recently unthinkable, is becoming more frequent," according to The Guardian. And he explained how illicit recordings of South Korean movies and TV shows have become popular in the North, with people who smuggle or watch them staying free by bribing the police.
Thae is not the first to sketch these bottom-up changes in North Korean society. As Andrei Lankov wrote in a 2015 article for Reason, "A number of researchers, overwhelmingly but not exclusively from South Korea, have looked at North Korea's nascent bourgeoisie and market economy. They have described how people in the 1990s, amid famine and consequent social dislocation, began to create new businesses from scratch, and how those ventures grew rapidly." The results are hardly perfect, Lankov reports, but they are far preferable to the old order:
North Koreans still live in poor circumstances, but the specter of famine no longer haunts the country as it once did. The state has also become significantly more permissive than it was in former times. This is partially a product of now-endemic corruption: A small bribe can make an official turn a blind eye to all manner of ideologically suspect activities, such as secretly watching foreign movies or listening to subversive Western broadcasts. It also reflects a general decline in ideological zeal. In [Daniel Tudor and James Pearson]'s words, North Koreans today "are less likely to inform on each other."
As a result, North Koreans—especially the better-connected and more affluent ones—have begun to enjoy smuggled South Korean and Western culture on a hitherto unthinkable scale….
Remarkably, all this marketization was essentially spontaneous. The old Leninist command economy quietly expired after it was deprived of the Soviet subsidies that had kept it afloat, and the North Korean people more or less created a new system from scratch. There were no neoliberal economic advisers, and there was no reform drive from above. At best, the government was willing to turn a blind eye on developments that contradicted the official line. The new system emerged by itself—a result, as the Leninists used to say, of "the collective creative activity of the toiling masses."
A similar process launched the liberalization that transformed China after the Cultural Revolution. So there's certainly precedent for black markets and grassroots disobedience to transform a totalitarian society into something more open. Thae is an optimist: He thinks Kim Jong-un's days as dictator "are numbered." But even if Kim clings to his office for a long time, the termites can keep chewing away at his rotten regime.
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If only South Korea had built that wall.
He should have built a wall.
I'm going to climb on SugarFree's back and ride him all the way to cosmotarian heaven.
Eeew
It's only sexual if you make it sexual.
"Stop saying the word!"
I don't think the Norks have a problem with that wall. Ok, the ones trying to escape to the South, yeah. But not Kim Jung Un and his minions.
They got the North to build it for them - and pay for it!
"geugeos-eun choegoui byeog, gajang aleumdaun byeog, dangsin-eun geugeos-eul midji anh-eulgeoya."
I suppose the minefield is probably already more effective. Seems to work pretty well on those cranes in the nature preserve between the two borders.
Progtards are no doubt lamenting the decline and deterioration of their ideal socialist paradise...
AMSOC HARDEST HIT!!!!!
Now that Castro is dead and Venezuela is unraveling at an increasing pace, I'm expecting them to start the NORK adoration any time now.
Vietnam seems to be growing in popularity now. They'll ignore the fact that it is moving from Communist Dictatorship to generic Dictatorship - which is actually an improvement.
And the reforms that happened in the 80s and 90s, specifically because "shit, this communism thing doesn't work out so well."
Viet Nam communism would have totally worked if the US hadn't forced all the other Asian nations to become capitalist.
/progderp
Kim Kong-Un
The sequel is worse than the original.
Whatever happened to Faye Wray? Her delicate, satin-draped frame?
Queue AmSoc and Tony telling us how this is a bad thing.
Or should it be "cue"?
Q
Que?
Kew
Kewwwl....
So Dunphy is in the line with Tony and AmSoc. Sounds good.
What?
Que!
Depends. Are you lining them up?
Cue the queue of AmSoc and Tony?
That doesn't happen until they've finally ushered in their new utopia.
I see what you did there.
If the capitalists are somehow able to win in North Korea, then all hope is lost. It's the left's last holdout.
Venezuela is just a few more controls away from prosperity!
There will always be France.
This is always easy to do when the po-po are just as poor and starving as the rest of the folks.
You know where else institutions are crumbling and the end is nigh...
Cable television?
Sears?
My coffee cake?
Damn, I want coffee cake
"...and all they hear is who wants cake? Everyone wants cake."
Wilfred Brimley
You know I've seen several documentaries on North Korea, the best one being 'Inside North Korea' where some opthamologists got in to do eye surgeries for free and snuck in cameras (risking their lives by doing so). I want to see some footage of this grassroots disobience. That shit will get you dead in North Korea in short order. I'm skeptical. Even not being totally adoring of dear leader in public will get you sent to the camps along with your entire family.
The Vice thingamajig on NK was great, I thought. Lots of creepitude.
For a brief fleeting time, Vice News was really kickass. *sighs*
I second this. They also did an expose on North Korean "workers" (read: slaves) in Russia, which is impressive since it involves flouting not one but two different governments.
Sadly, I haven't seen them do anything good since then.
From Kevin Williamson:
Applause was a serious business in the Soviet Union, as it is in Cuba, as it is in Venezuela, as it is in all unfree societies and at our own State of the Union address, which is modeled on the ex cathedra speeches of unfree societies. The less free you are, the more you are obliged to applaud. Joseph Stalin's pronouncements were greeted with perfervid applause, which would continue, rapturously ? no one dared stop ? until Stalin himself would order its cessation.
But what to do when Stalin was not there? The mere mention of his name, even in his absence, would trigger fanatical applause, and nobody wanted to be the first to stop. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn related one famous story:
The director of the local paper factory, an independent and strong-minded man, stood with the presidium. Aware of all the falsity and all the impossibility of the situation, he still kept on applauding! Nine minutes! Ten! IThen, after eleven minutes, the director of the paper factory assumed a businesslike expression and sat down in his seat. And, oh, a miracle took place! Where had the universal, uninhibited, indescribable enthusiasm gone? To a man, everyone else stopped dead and sat down. They had been saved! The squirrel had been smart enough to jump off his revolving wheel. That, however, was how they discovered who the independent people were. And that was how they went about eliminating them.
That same night the factory director was arrested.
One Day in the Life of the Paper Factory Director.
"Applause was a serious business in the Soviet Union, as it is in Cuba, as it is in Venezuela, as it is in all unfree societies"
Wait a minute. I thought those were/are the most free societies on account of no capitalists and everyone is equal and therefore happy? That's what I've been hearing anyway.
From the ghost of Walter Duranty?
I seriously need to read the Gulag Archipelago.
This is nicely portrayed in Bridge of Spies.
The dumbest thing about the North Korean government is the whole 'oh, we don't have concentration camps' argument. Hey NORKs, we have these things called spy satellites, and I can point those camps out to you on a map.
Fool! Those are wedding chapels!
Here ya go.
I like how it got 4 stars.
And that it's open 24 hours!
Forget spy satellites, any satellite with an earthward-pointing camera can see the damn things. It's kind of hard to hide a concentration camp.
He thinks Kim Jong-un's days as dictator are numbered.
Well, everybody's days as a dictator are numbered... he just hopes that number is really low, whereas I expect it's pretty high.
CAPITALIZMZ R EVUL!
Didn't the same thing happen in the Soviet Union itself? Black markets emerge spontaneously, and they tend to emerge everywhere, so it's not all that remarkable.
It's remarkable to the NYT
Do they kill people there for selling loosies?
The NYT? I imagine they advocate it.
It's for their own good.
Yeah, I know. I was talking about in North Korea.
Seriously, it's officially an offense that leads to winding up in a labor camp. Yeonmi Park's dad is an example.
"She describes it as the beginning of a harrowing, years-long odyssey"
Well, I mean it has to be that long and harrowing and odyssey like if the book is gonna sell, amirite?
""When I got [to China], the first thing I saw was my mother raped," she says. "The man who was helping us...was a human trafficker and"
Oh yeah, and you gotta throw a little of that in there, it's obligatory...
Not doubting this young lady or anything, but I know and have known Koreans for a long time and some of them are among the best bullshitters you'll ever come across.
She's gotten questions regarding the veracity of her autobiography. Given China's M/F ratio, though, I can believe that some men working with vulnerable women would take advantage.
Sorry, misread. Loosies have to be a YUGE black market item.
In both Pyongyang & NYC, it's a death penalty offense, but it can be avoided by timely bribes.
Which is why they're basically an ethnic nationalist state ruled by a Confucian monarchy with a communist economy stapled on. Got to go back to what you know.
Was Confucius big on chopping his political opponents to bloody shreds with AA guns?
All that's necessary to keep them in power is brute force, and a willingness to use it. Kim Jong-Un has both.
Kim Jong-Un has a propaganda machine and the tentative support of his military and secret police. If the latter falters, the former will not save him.
Plus they don't have oil and do have nukes. So everyone is content to just leave them alone.
Nothing to gain, everything to lose. No brainer that.
Kim isn't going down withou violence. Markets are great, but I think there's a bit of ideological blindness here to think they are a solution to everything and wishful thinking isn't going to change that. This is now a 3rd generation dictator with no signs there won't be a fourth.
You hear that Jesse? Please remove the line "markets are a solution to everything" from your article because it's apparently not true despite being a genuine belief that all libertarians genuinely hold to.
A defector thinks black markets are a sign of the end of a third generation dictator. The writer feels it's important and true enough to repeat. I'm sorry if you're too stupid to figure out that dreaming away the end of a brutal dictator due to markets isn't giving them mythical power they don't have. However, whether you are too stupid to figure that out or not is besides the point, because the writer definitely is.
The post describes more than just markets at work, and it rather explicitly refrains from declaring that Thae is either right or wrong about Kim's dictatorship crumbling soon. But thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Yes they will undoubtedly get violent before giving up power. Like all dictatorships, they would end up dead themselves real quick if the opposition that they've been murdering all these years ever got the upper hand.
OT, because LOL: overheard from the next cubicle: "Yay! It's big!"
Been there, sister.
If the north Korean people started marching and stuff, what would the revolution be called? Would it be the "Rose Revolution", named after the Mugunghwa (Rose of Sharon)? Or something else?
The Pyongyang Massacre of [year].
^this^
A bunch of dead people who are no longer marching?
Humans gonna trade... this is a fundamental characteristic of the human animal. (And as far as I know, it is unique to humans.)
This is great news, but OTOH this development wouldn't surprise anyone who has read Matt Ridley's "The Evolution of Everything".
I don't think Kim in general gives a fuck about what they're doing as long as they aren't sitting on a big horde of twinkies and hohos that he could be gorging down. Right now he's probably looking at Michael Moore and getting enraged.
Or enlarged. You know what I mean.
Well, he already has more chins than a Chinese phonebook....
(And as far as I know, it is unique to humans.)
Nope. Give a monkey a token he can trade for treats and the females will offer to trade sex for tokens. Suggests the oldest profession really is the oldest profession.
Just in case you don't want to get caught googling "monkey prostitution".
Everybody's days are numbered.
Looking at the satellite imagery, it has such potential as a tourist mecca. Some of the eastern beaches look amazing, and they could have world-class skiing.
The collapse of North Korea is like nuclear fusion, always just around the corner. As long as China is willing to keep propping up the regime, ain't nothing going to change.