Trump and the Media's Alleged 'Failure'
There was actually plenty of news coverage of the views of Trump supporters.


Terry Brown is a 55-year-old plumber in Stanley, North Carolina, a small town that is 90 percent white and whose motto is "Jesus Saves." He is the sort of person media elites and coastal liberals allegedly overlooked or scorned before Donald Trump's surprise victory.
These arrogant sophisticates, we are told, live in a world of people just like themselves, making them incapable of understanding the real America. So Trump's victory hit them like a lightning bolt out of a clear blue sky.
Brown, however, was not surprised. "I don't know anyone who would vote for Hillary Clinton," he told Los Angeles Times reporter Jenny Jarvie the day after the election.
He doesn't know anyone who would vote for Clinton? That's quite a feat, because 60.5 million of his fellow Americans did. Apparently, there are Trump voters who live in their own bubbles—distant from and deaf to ordinary people who think differently.
On Tuesday, analysts reported, the outcome was determined largely by a surge of support from whites who didn't go to college and live in rural counties, particularly in New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin. The media and Democrats were blamed for not expecting as much.
The ensuing condemnations implied that Jake Tapper knew less about Toledo than he does about Tanzania. Rod Dreher of The American Conservative accused the news media of "forgetting that (they) ever knew people like the white working-class and rural people of the Rust Belt." Piers Morgan congratulated himself in the Daily Mail for writing last year, "Trump has a big popular appeal away from the snobby halls of Washington and New York's media elite. Regular Americans love the guy."
If the media assumed Clinton would win, it was not because reporters forgot that there were people who favored Trump. There was an endless supply of stories featuring interviews with them. Each of his rallies drew throngs of journalists—who might have done a better job of learning the views of Trump supporters if the campaign had not confined the press to areas separate from the rest of the audience.
When Morgan says "regular Americans" love Trump, he's using the term in an odd way. It's worth noting that Trump didn't even get more votes than Clinton, who beat him by nearly 400,000 votes nationally. You can't get as many votes as she did without attracting at least a few ordinary folks.
Nor did Trump capture the working class. Among voters with incomes between $30,000 and $50,000 a year, Clinton beat him by 9 points. But when Morgan refers to "regular Americans," he obviously means "white Americans." Working-class blacks and small-town Hispanics are irregular and thus irrelevant.
It never occurs to the media-bashers that rural white blue-collar guys may be insulated from real Americans, a lot of whom live in big cities. Metropolitan New York alone has 18 million people—more than Wisconsin, Michigan and New Hampshire combined.
Marathon County, an industrial area in north central Wisconsin that Trump won easily, is 0.8 percent African-American and 2.7 percent Hispanic. Manhattan is 18 percent black and 26 percent Latino. New York and other urban areas have just as much claim to be the home of real Americans as any Midwestern town.
If the media failed to foresee the election outcome, it's not because they weren't paying attention. It was partly because they relied on the most comprehensive information available—national and state polls.
Public opinion surveys had shown Trump leading his Republican rivals during the primaries, and they proved accurate. In the general election campaign, polls consistently showed Clinton leading the race both nationally and in most battleground states. Most Republican politicians and consultants expected Trump to lose.
Had the polls shown Trump ahead, week after week, journalists would have expected him to win. Their failure was the product of data, not ideology.
If the media made a mistake, it was assuming that voters would judge Trump by the same standards applied to past candidates. He repeatedly found himself generating unwanted attention and pointless controversy, of the sort normal politicians would never risk. It was surprising to see him do it, and it was surprising to see him get away with it.
With polls in hand, the media concluded that the electorate, including working-class white men in small towns, had seen through Trump. That was the ultimate media failure: not expecting too little of these voters but expecting too much.
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That would be easier to believe if the news coverage immediately following the election wasn't along the lines of "Nation Mourns Election Result."
Sorry, but that's the big take-away from a very particular kind of person in the nation, who was really excited about Clinton's upcoming presidency.
Smart people. You have a problem with them, don't you?
If you buy the democracy story, then "nation mourns election result" should have a lot of cognitive dissonance baked-in.
I hear ya, friend. Clinton is probably going to win the popular vote by 2 million votes. Democracy has spoken!
Yes, and I'm absolutely sure that if Trump had lost the election but won the popular vote, the media focus would immediately shift to disgruntled Trump voters (~50.6% of the population).
I thought the Hillary campaign understood the electoral college. Maybe she wasn't as smart as everyone thought, going for the popular vote.
Anyway, it's kinda pathetic watching democrats try to find a victory in their worst election loss of their generation, seeing how it's their game and all.
And knowing that, if the shoe was on the other foot, they'd take it and wouldn't look back.
Power craven assholes get no sympathy when they whine about election technicalities known well in advance.
It's like watching Mike Tyson complain to a ref.
Blah, blah, blah. Revel in your TKO determined by a system that overemphasizes the votes of rural voters in flyover states.
You sure seem to be the perennial victim. Even now, when the RP has basically won everything you start complaining about how the press still writes stories about how DT supporters tend to end up on White Nationalist websites. Boohoohoo... it's just so unfair how the mean press covers how giddy David Duke has gotten over Donald Trump. Those meanies!
Question: what exactly would it take for real men like yourself to stop bitching about how unfairly you are treated? Do you need a hankie? Poor, poor you.
QQ moar AMSOC.
"Smart people. You have a problem with them, don't you?"
Do you include yourself in that group?
Yeah, you know, the "smart people", irrationally rioting in the streets thinking that if they just whine hard enough, the nation will overturn a free and fair election and give them their fucking pony. Because that's how smart and rational they are.
"Question: what exactly would it take for real men like yourself to stop bitching about how unfairly you are treated?"
Stop treating us unfairly?
Nahhhhhh?.
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The electoral college is a balancing act between population size and population density, and state power vs federal power. It only seems archaic cuz the federal govt has gotten so involved with so many local issues, but its not necessarily making your presidential vote any more or less meaningful. Your vote is only a fraction of a fraction, but its a much bigger fraction of the state than the whole country. I don't have any idea how to figure the math out, but it doesn't matter. constitutional republic, constitutional republic, constitutional republic. Direct democracy would be a better way of finding the lowest common denominator I guess, if that's your goal, but that's aiming kinda low, no?
The butthurt is strong with this one.
Ugh, stupid comments. I was referring to AMSOC.
You don't understand: I'm not bitching about the unfairness of the media. I just can't stop laughing at it's proved lack of either correctness or relevance.
Every day, it's like a new batch of delicious tears, as heads continue exploding, over and over again, in The Cognitive Dissonance Cluster Bomb:
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american socialist, your screen name is an oxymoron. That makes it rather difficult to accept your rant at face value.
I no longer care WHAT media say about the election... I've not cared for much of anything they've reported for twenty years. I thought it revealing when that airliner got shot down over Ukraine.... yankee fishwraps kept promoting the meme that the Russkies did it with their SAM's....conveniently forgetting that they were several days awayt from the crash zone and flight path. Then they brought out the meme of a Ukrainian BUKH missile system that had been pilfered by the rebels..... except they could not have been the tool used. They further forgot to mention that those Ukrainian "rebels" were actually US trained and supported operatives who had been set loose to take down a lawfully sitting established president, a coup, basically, to take out a president WE did not like.. just like in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Libya, Greece, Chile, Argentina,
Interesting, still, that the newspapers from some European nations, and the UK, seemed to have a different story.... and a whole lot about the coverup WE seemed to be behind.
So, if mainstream media spew it, I'll usually ignore it.
+1 blue wall
+1 permanent majority
A system that relies on a system that overemphasizes on the votes of rural flyover states? Look at the map and you actually believe that the popular vote is the right way to keep a United country at all? Look at all the red and think it your candidate had won almost the whole country but lost the popular vote because of a few high population areas. I could certainly see a rebellion in America again. The electoral college works because it is the STATES where the power lies. Read your Constitution. We are not the victims except that almost the whole media lean left, it is the left that has made almost everyone a victim and they march and riot and cry. If it were not for the dumbest voters ( the inner big cities) the left would never, ever win a national election.
If Trump had lost the election, then Trump voters should be upset because Trump won the electoral college and usurpers are trying to steal a duly elected Presidency from Trump.
The dumb-dumbs/media are trying to do something by advocating the electors vote for Hillary even though Trump won, that the popular vote is some mandate for progressivism, etc.
There are ~330M people in the USA, only ~121M voted. Discounting under 18 kids, that is a lot of adults who could have voted but did not. Hillary never had a popular mandate. She never got the vote of 50.01% of all adult Americans.
Folks, feeding vermin only encourages them to return.
That steaming pile of shit hasn't argued in good faith, ever. He's here to get a rise and get the attention he so sorely lacks in meat-space.
She also did not get many states and the states are where the Constitutional power lies. The left needs to read our great Constitution.
Luckily, we live in a Democratic Republic. The majority shall not be the tyranny of the minority.
Actually, the latest is that over 3 million illegals managed to vote in the election. So, after those are taken out it is likely that Trump on both the electoral college and the popular vote.
And, that popular vote would be wildly skewed toward Trump if California is considered separately. Not that CA votes should not count, but rather that the electoral college did what it was designed to do, prevent a few large states from controlling national policies and elections.
Actually, no. The popular vote is irrelevant anyway. BTW, this country is not a democracy.
It is amazing how many people do not know we are a Constitutional Republic.
Trump lost the popular vote in part because he was trying to win the electoral college, which he did. If the popular vote mattered from the get-go, he would have campaigned differently and possibly won it. Trump essentially lost a theoretical game that no one was playing. It's like saying if field goals were worth double points, a different team would have won the football game. Sure, but both teams would have strategized differently.
Yes. The frequency with which they are incorrect and their inclination to impose their 'solutions' upon me is quite troubling.
Left-wing smarts hold people in contempt and lead to diabolical schemes.
Human smarts is filled with self-doubt and humility resulting in a profound respect for humanity.
Having earned an education does not always equal out to a smart well rounded individual.
"Smart people" who went 6 figures in debt to get a Masters degree in an unmarketable field and need someone else to bail them out, right.
Thanks for starting us with your ad hominem right off the top so we didn't have to wait long. Your contribution is greatly appreciated.
"It wasn't that the scribblers camped out in one of three major metro areas didn't properly understand those backward, racist, white troglodytes in flyover country, it's just that they're actually dumber and more racist than we said they were on a daily basis for 18 consecutive months!"
And thus Chapman answers Shackford's question: Will the Democrats Learn Anything at All from Defeat? with a resounding NO!
Fortunately enough, rural whites are killing themselves in droves and dying much sooner than everybody else, so Chapman's Manhattan-as-Utopia will arrive in due time. Just not soon enough for his Blessed Mother.
Yep. I don't expect Chapman is teachable.
Unlike progressive and cosmotarian journalists whose only error this election cycle was in expecting too much from the deplorables, they preferred an amateur old guy with bad manners to an utterly corrupt but woman politician with a horrible track record.
I think that progressives have learned from their defeat. They have learned that they must be louder and more forceful, even disruptive and violent, in getting the message across to white voters that they are racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, cis-gendered, white-privileged shitlords who are completely deplorable and irredeemable. Oh, yeah, they need to be reminded that they are stupid, too, because that's why it is so difficult for them to get the message. That part is especially important, and it is frequently overlooked in the invective hurled at the deplorables. One hopes that more articles like this will make it clear to this demographic that it is stupid unless it votes for the ostensibly progressive candidate.
Yes, the socialists ARE learning, what socialists always learn. That they will need to be even more lawless, underhanded, intimidating, and ruthless next time so that they can implement the socialist paradise under the control of the RIGHT PEOPLE.
the one thing you left off your rant-list for "regular yankees" is this simple FACT:
there are a lot more of us, and we've been here as a body politick for a lot longer. We've also tended to play the gentle part, not caring to make a fuss but rather enduring the life allotted us.... but that last bit has now changed. Silent and calm for far too long.
Even more fun, that demographic (regular America) are seeing acted out on the nightly news precisely what the Soros backed elites are like... as their minions carry out their will and riot/burn/destroy all across the nation. ANy doubt or question as to what the liberal ruling elites are really made of is now being erased. I know quite a number of regular folk, conservative, get up go to work feed the family type guys, who are having their convictions more fimly entrenched in their minds and hearts, watching these Soros paid rebels making war on the country these plain folks love........ and KNOWING it is the left/progressive/socialist idealogy at work. Venezuela coming apart at the seams through the last few months confirms the nature of this behaviour.
And these slimy leftist fucks are all but celebrating that fact. They have too much scorn for whites and for uppity flyover country thinking it gets to have a say in national politics.
Where the media failed was in assuming there was no reason to vote against Hillary since they refused to see the corruption and dishonesty she represents. That's why they think all Trump voters were voting for bigotry instead of how many were voting against her.
DING! DING! DING!
The problem is likely less about understanding Trump voters as there were tons of articles about those crazy hat wearers. What there wasn't was a real look at Clinton voters. No real look at why she drew minorities and union workers so much less than Obama. Even today the problems in her campaign are all about the computer program or the press or..well, anything other than Hillary.
To the main stream press she has a vagina and is all anyone could want. This is a fact so the question is why did the voters not realize if.
I thought Hillary was broken and we would not see anything from her until the indictment. You have to give it the old gal, she ain't going down without taking a whole bunch of people with her.
I don't think she is necessarily setting up for a 2020 presidential run, because I think her political career is over. I do think that she is trying to adjust her 'legacy' with lies like Obama is trying to do. I also think the Democratic Party is looking to scare its base into giving money to pad the immense monetary losses and quid pro quo loss at least for 4 years.
the whole bunch of people she'll be taking with her are the same sorry lot she's been taking with her for years... they've dogpiled on top of her, riding her perceived coattails on the Gravy Train. She just won't bother to shake them off now HER train has come off the rails.
She is also sufficiently sleazy as to assure SHE has "got the goods" on a goodly number of her suckers, just to make certain she won't be getting too lonely in that ol CrowBar Hotel. Speculation is that she could bring down half the government on corruption charges based on the "dirt" she has.
I'm half expecting, but not cheering on, the operatives that have hitched their wagon to HER tainted star, and now realise they ain't a gonna git nuffum back on their investment........ they paid, and now realise they'll never play. Maybe haffta send Guido an da boiz a roun ta reach a beddah unnastandin.... ya know? They might decide to give her a one way ticket to go and visit some of the good but insufficiently discreet former "contacts" as they settle deeper into their long dirt naps.
She's worst than corruption and dishonesty. She's a self-entitled pathological liar without a moral or intellectual compass. She's pure bad news.
The way I see it, it's startling 60 million people as that willing to have such a sociopath and miscreant in office.
It's funny. My cousin's wife at the Sorbonne is a professor of international law and history. She said the Americans did the right thing. Europe needs a major shake up too. Interesting that.
were willing
Sadly, every Democrat will always have several dozen million votes purely for money; either welfare, or corporate welfare, or because they work for the government. Not that Republicans never do any of that, not that some Bible-thumpers don't automatically vote red, but it's nothing compared to the DNC machine. Eventually, if things continue, they will win every election, because there will be too many people dependent on them for their livelihood.
Trumpkins. Tricky little bastards.
I thought you said the republican party was going to die last Tuesday.
Instead a saw the democrat party get Death Starred in the ass.
These are strange days.
The lost the White House, the Senate, the House of Representatives, and the majority of state governorships. But they still have the media.
On the day after the election in a panel discussion of the media's role in the 2016 election, someone is quoted as saying that Trump supporters took what Trump said seriously, but not literally. But the media took what Trump said literally, but not seriously.
The Day After: Analyzing The Media's Role In The 2016 Election (YouTube)
I heard that and forgot who said it. I was looking for the quite but couldn't remember. I need more 'Member Berries. Thanks.
Thiel
Salena Zito did an article about it on Sept 23, and mentioned it to Trump. I thought it may have come from my exchange with Sopan Deb 3 days earlier, but a search of Zito's Twitter shows her crediting Brad Todd, Republican Strategist, on Aug 12 https://twitter.com/search?q=trump literally from:salenazito&src=typd
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Clinton ran a bad campaign in terms of message. There just wasn't much that would appeal to people in the Rust Belt swing states. She halfheartedly rejected the TPP, and that was her token appeal, but Trump beat her to it anyway. Regardless of how hard she campaigned in the swing states (and though she tried, clearly whiffed several states she thought she had), the Dems had to play catchup on the issues that actually mattered in the states they needed, and they didn't do that. There wasn't even a unifying message other than "Let's unite everyone offended by Donald Trump"
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Unfortunately the Democrats' entire strategy of pandering to minorities is undeniably flawed. They helped Hillary's popular total by making blue states bluer and slightly closing the gap in deep red states like Texas, but there was absolutely no advantage to be gained in the Electoral College other than an outside shot at North Carolina. They're getting too caught up in the idea of "making history" to put forth actual strategy. They're doing it again already: "This Keith Ellison guy is Muslim. Wouldn't it make a great story if he became Trump's arch nemesis? Plus we'll look SO inclusive with the first Muslim Congressman leading the DNC"
But when Morgan refers to "regular Americans," he obviously means "white Americans."
Since he Morgan didn't say regular white Americans, you assuming that makes an ass out of you....Chapman.
Regular Americans can also refer to non-elitist smug assholes who want to fight tyrants like Hillary, whether they live in cities or in the sticks. In other words, if you don't refer to yourself as a regular American, you probably are not one.
If you call yourself, whatever progressives hacks call themselves, you probably are one.
Are you just now realizing that Chapman is an ass? Because most of us have known it for some time now.
I just like repeating it.
Unfortunately the Democrats' entire strategy of pandering to minorities is undeniably flawed. They helped Hillary's popular total by making blue states bluer and slightly closing the gap in deep red states like Texas, but there was absolutely no advantage to be gained in the Electoral College other than an outside shot at North Carolina
That misunderstands the demographics of the Rust Belt. Obama won by turning out the vote in the big cities like Philadelphia or Detroit, where he won some precincts with 100% of the vote. I've been in Philadelphia, and there are some areas where I was the only white person in sight.
Pennsylvania is urban in roughly two areas, and Alabama everywhere else.
Alabama is urban too, in Mobile, Montgomery, and Birmingham.
The key is, just as DC went 98% for Clinton, where are the places where the folks on the "dole" and employed by government concentrated? In those places Democrats win as the people there vote their own financial interest.
49 of Pennsylvania's 67 counties voted 60% or more for Trump, 23 counties 70% or more, 3 counties 80% or more.
The two biggest cities (and industrial areas) between Pittsburgh and Harrisburg, being Johnstown and Altoona, are both heavily union instead of rural, and only went 66% and 67% for Trump
Why the fuck does he get published here? Christ he should be writing for the NYT he's such a condescending and dishonest leftist.
It seems like Reason is becoming Left-libertarian. I look at left-wing magazines and websites on my own to see what they say, so I don't read Reason just to parrot what the left-wing media says. This is getting old.
Clinton ran a lot of TV ads in California (not sure why). They consisted entirely of bashing Trump, not one word on why she would be a good president.
Chapman tears are,some how,sweet?
Chapman's need to be condescending to some plumber from a little NC town shows just how many tears are flowing.
Some of the sweetest.
Chapman. You're full of shit. They absolutely BY DESIGN tried to deceive the American public. The abandoning of journalistic integrity was on full display it was palpable to anyone who cared to see it. It was utter disgrace and led by CNN and The New York Times.
I'm no radical and tend to be 'independent' as you Americans put and always swung my vote but sorry, the media did fail and they know it. A few with a modicum of honesty admitted as much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0_zOgLlWHM
+1 have a Moose Head sir
Rufus nails it.
I would add that I am highly suspicious that most of those polls were rigged. The 'Hillary is ahead in the polls!' routine was part of the propaganda to get her elected.
I'm more American than Amsoc. I'm like the Irish guy in Braveheart.
You epitomize being American sir.
The polls weren't that far off. They showed Clinton with a small lead, mostly within the margin of error. In the last few weeks a lot of leaning Johnson voters broke for Trump. GJ fell from 5 or 6 percent to 3 percent.
"With polls in hand, the media concluded that the electorate, including working-class white men in small towns, had seen through Trump. That was the ultimate media failure: not expecting too little of these voters but expecting too much."
Actually working class people saw through the media's shamelessly biased reporting and handed the Chapmans of the world a big fuck you. The ultimate failure of the media is they expected all of us flyover people to buy their bullshit. And again for the record, I voted Johnson.
AND, I would love to see Chapman kicked off the REASON dole by the way. Let him write his swill for the NYT or WashPost. There is no shortage of places to read stupid. If REASON is to have a purpose, it would be to publish what the major media will not. If you are just going to reprint the same crap there is really no "reason" for you to exist.
Sorry Chapman, seems like a war with Russia has been cancelled and no free college.
Don't forget cancellation of ObamaCare. The progressives kept saying it "is law now". Now they are trying to say that Trump will keep a few provisions. What a joke!
ObamaCare buh bye! I wonder if they will do a skit on SNL saying buh bye to ObamaCare? 🙂
As it turns out Trump himself has suggested he is keeping parts. Specifically he is interested in keeping guaranteed issue while dropping the mandate. That is the kind of retarded have your cake and eat it too free pony shit the progs are famous for.
Well, Trump was a Democrat for most of his life.
Sure but he really grabbed the republican party by its pussy.
I know you want that to be true but nothing is definite. Plus, his transition website says otherwise.
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It isn't that "I want it to be true" he said it. It is true. Whether he follows through with the stupid is an entirely different question.
It is keeping the parts the electorate likes and dumping what they do like. Most people like eating lunch and do not lime paying for it. Declaring lunch "free" does not solve the problem.
"...dumping what they do not like."
Dammit.
If they keep coverage for pre-existing conditions, they better not try to have insurance companies handle it. Let it be a separate government program (as it's not real insurance, only charity) but then you have to make sure people don't game the system by refusing to get insurance and then sticking the taxpayers with the bill.
This was expected by most of us, I think. Trump isn't a Republican, why does anyone expect him to act like he's in the f'ing Tea Party?
About Obamacare and the left. I wonder how many of them saw their premiums shoot up and realized how they were lied to but can't come out in public to denounce it so they coyly tolerate 'amendments' on the fly.
I doubt they consider themselves lied to by Obama. Rather they think the evil capitalist insurance companies have abused the intent of the law to line their own pockets (similar to the way they decry "tax avoidance" that's fully within the letter of the law when it's done by people they don't like).
So much this. My grandmother, a very smart woman by any other measure and not a particularly ideological one, who lives in TEXAS and grew up in KENTUCKY, has made that exact claim, that it was "evil, greedy insurance companies" ruining Obamacare by trying to subvert it. She was flabbergasted when I explained to her that those insurance companies wrote and funded Obamacare.
Why does Chapman write for this site?
That question is in the comments for nearly every article Chapman writes.
So Chapman has to be a prog right? He is real salty. The funny thing is what he complains about is he is proving the other peoples point
To read how the other half "allegedly" lives?
Someone has to score the rest of the staff the invites to the "cool kid" cocktail parties.
Sure, there was coverage. But a lot of it was negative, whereas coverage of Hillary supporters was positive.
Even when Hillary's coverage was 'bad' it was still good.
Hillary is an interventionist- but those brown people deserve our bomb-sundaes.
"the media wasn't biased, they just followed the data"
Lol
To quote Cartman; "Hey, I don't make the rules, I just think them up and write them and hang them on the wall." That makes about as much sense as Chapman's claim.
Most Republican politicians and consultants expected Trump to lose.
Why? Because most republican politicians and consultants and still dumb enough to listen to scumbags like you, that's why. A mistake I stopped making a long time ago.
Technically, if we ignored stories like this it would starve Chapman more than reading and then commenting.
They still get paid for bad feedback. They keep on writing because its not a popularity contest.
Because they WANTED Trump to lose.
The, what we in the south call the "Good Ole Boys" in DC don't care if Team Blue or Team Red wins so long as they control the team. Like him or not, the main problem with Trump in their minds was that they were not sure they could control him.
"The failure to predict the election wasn't because of ignorance."
Sure it was. It was just willful ignorance.
It wasn't a failure to predict the victor so much as a failure to influence the outcome enough in the desired direction.
It never occurs to the media-bashers that rural white blue-collar guys may be insulated from real Americans, a lot of whom live in big cities. Metropolitan New York alone has 18 million people?more than Wisconsin, Michigan and New Hampshire combined.
I would guess a substantial number of Michiganders would not like to live in New Hampshire just as a substantial number of New Hampshirians would not like to live in Wisconsin. Those 18 million people living in metro NYC, the blacks and the whites and the gays and the poor and the old and the left-handed, they all like living in metro NYC. So for all the "diversity", it's that parochial cosmopolitanism NYC is so famous for. People in Bumfuck, Idaho know something about NYC, people in NYC not only don't know anything about Bumfuck, Idaho they're absolutely convinced there's no reason for them to know.
I think the real divide in this country is between rural and urban, people who like the individual freedom of some space from their fellow man and people who've accepted that you have to conform to accomodate your neighbors. I like the fact that I can take a piss off my back porch if I feel like it even if it means giving up some social goods, other people value the social goods so much so that they accept they can't fart for fear of offending the 85 people constantly within 20 feet of them.
I can't stand living next to people. The closer you get to them, the more full of shit they can be in tight quarters.
Give me space. That's why the suburbs are fine by me.
The country is even finer to those ends. Except I can't get internet in the country near my corner of flyover country Whitelashtopia, so I have to live in town 🙁
other people value the social goods so much so that they accept they can't fart for fear of offending the 85 people constantly within 20 feet of them.
Not to contest the rest of your premise, but I doubt any New Yorker is really concerned about that.
When it comes to political opinions? Yes, the groupthink is strong.
LOL, eight years ago, when we moved from north Idaho to suburban NE TN we had to tell our then seven year old that, when he was out playing in the front yard, he'd need to come inside to pee.
And I had to talk my wife out of shooting the teenagers cutting through our yard.
Wow. Chapman is probably the most tone deaf journalist that is not located on either coast. I'm always amazed at how his analysis seems so dumb, but also condescending.
"That was the ultimate media failure: not expecting too little of these voters but expecting too much."
I don't think the media has learned anything from Trump's win. They voted for an orangutan to spite people like you and they're giddy that you're so butt hurt.
Chicago has a coast technically. So we can give Chapman coastal elite status. I know I do.
He's not so much deaf as his aura of smug is that loud.
Had the polls shown Trump ahead, week after week, journalists would have expected him to win. Their failure was the product of data, not ideology.
More like a failure of data processing and polling methodology. Take Nate Silver's 538 website, which correctly predicted the swing states in the Rust Belt, but showed Hillary leading in most of them -- but his site never counted Jill Stein's voters drawing almost exclusively from Hillary.
That, and Trump voters likely hanging up on pollsters, and polling methods that failed to predict the lack of enthusiasm for actually showing up at the polls for Clinton vs Trump.
polling methods that failed to predict the lack of enthusiasm for actually showing up at the polls for Clinton vs Trump.
A lack of enthusiasm that all the positive poll results for Hillary likely actually fed.
What nobody wants to talk about. A lower percentage of blacks, latinos, and women voted for Clinton than voted for Obama. So Trump did better than Romney with those groups.
This.
I think it's more a case of Hillary not doing as well with them. I recall a commentator months ago predicting that, saying that he didn't think black voters especially feared Trump, and all the anti-illegal alien rhetoric might even appeal to some of them. They absolutely didn't have any love for Hillary -- certainly less than they'd had for Bill. That particular lack of appeal is clearly the key to her loss.
I doubt he did better in a meaningful sense. It seems to me that a lot of blacks who do not normally vote were motivated to vote for a black man for president and they were not motivated to ahow up to vote for a white woman. Those minorities who vote republican were equally motivated for Trump as tbey were for Romney and are roughly the same percentage of tbe general minority population, but a larger percentage of the voting population in this election.
AND those blacks, latinos, and women voted FOR Trump.
But remember, when they voted for Obama, they were enlightened, forward thinking and statesmen-like, now they are Uncle Toms, Stockholm affected, and Racists.
I've been to Manhattan and can confirm that there are no real americans living there.
Sorry, but the "working class" in the city utilize government programs much more often, and so of course voted for Hillary.
^BINGO^
"When Morgan says "regular Americans" love Trump, he's using the term in an odd way. It's worth noting that Trump didn't even get more votes than Clinton, who beat him by nearly 400,000 votes nationally."
Presidential campaigns design their strategies to get 270+ electoral votes, NOT to win the popular vote. It's fundamentally dishonest to imply that "America" somehow preferred Clinton be because she got (less than 1%) more popular votes than Trump.
It's bordering on calling the election illegitimate, even though the system worked exactly as it's designed to work. You can't change the rules of the game after it's already been played.
You don't know many Democrats do you?
Born and raised in Detroit. Yes, I know one or two...
"When Morgan says "regular Americans" love Trump, he's using the term in an odd way. It's worth noting that Trump didn't even get more votes than Clinton, who beat him by nearly 400,000 votes nationally."
Considering that there's about 250 million Americans of voting age, and only 120 million voted for one of these two, None of the Above won by a landslide, and the election was stolen from them.
AND, the latest news is that over 3 million illegals voted, and probably voted for Hillary. Take those out and Trump wins both the electoral college and the popular vote.
Chapman you really are just another leftist shill. It's so absurd to make the case that the media didn't fail on this election. Outlets like AP, CNN and others were caught red-handed colluding with Democrats and their talking points.
Media-bashers? You mean people with eyes and ears who know foul play when they see it? I could see you defending your own publication or your favorite publications, but to defend "the media" is about as insurmountable a task as there is. In aggregate, the media cannot be defended because what they've done is indefensible And you, Chapman, are another cog in the wheel. Another leftist shilling for the political class.
And speaking of bubbles, how can it be white blue collar Trump supporters living in a bubble? They centers of culture, academia, big business and most of the government is all controlled by the leftist coastal elites. White midwesterners, your real enemy Chapman, are absolutely inundated by leftists views, perspectives and identity politicking groups, like a fish in water.
Trump supporters have had every adjective imaginable thrown at them by every conceivable group and institution. So when the media did their polling and asked people to signal their support for a candidate, the Trump voters hid, they weren't honest with pollsters because they didn't intend to have another argument with a leftist shill like Steve Chapman, which resulted in skewed poll numbers which are of course the media's fault.
Twats like Chapman are exactly what's wrong with the media, and still this twatty shill gets published at Reason. Go figure.
Well, it would seem libertarians aren't necessary born that way, or perhaps they are but they aren't conditioned that way. Libertarians, by and large, are former righties or former lefties. I think as we approach full debt saturation, the Boomer Bill comes due, and all our economic/monetary/fiscal foolishness of the last 100 years ripens and quickly rots, we're seeing a watershed out of the libertarians back to their native lands. The average reason writer seems to be drifting left. There's right leaning libertarians who have effectively abandoned the moniker.
About a dozen years ago, when the Republicans rammed through Medicare Part D, I had the hope that we'd see an UPSWING in fiscal minded Democrats and social freedom minded Republicans funnel INTO libertarianism in time to turn things around. Instead, with the shit poised to hit the fan, it looks like people are streaming out instead. Semantics can be what they are - you can call yourself what you want. But it is obvious to me - that when the chips were down - the average Reason pundit was frenching the Ice Queen's little-man-in-the-boat. The establishment Republicans were too, and even Weld. There is no hope of building this down before it blows. And when push comes to shove, and regardless of offered monikers, people will crawl to the comfort of the womb of State. Their belief in the Super Ordinate will win out.
Right leaning libertarians are abandoning the moniker because so much of libertarianism seems to be getting slowly infiltrated by leftists.
Yes, perhaps the "libertarian moment" is actually just because the leftists are taking over. Sigh.
I was a born libertarian -- second generation. My parents voted for Ed Clark over Reagan, Carter and Anderson.
With polls in hand, the media concluded that the electorate, including working-class white men in small towns, had seen through Trump. That was the ultimate media failure: not expecting too little of these voters but expecting too much.
Did it perhaps occur to you that many of them did see through Trump but also saw through Clinton, and made their choice based on that data? Many of those voters hold all politicians in contempt and are simply trying to survive Washington D.C.'s bullshit.
Why the hell does Chapman write for Reason? He's about as 'libertarian' as Bill Weld. Is this all part of Reason's mushy moderate not really libertarian by any stretch of the imagination strategy that has failed every time it has ever been tried?
This the site that tried to convince us that there was something in common with Ralph Nader. I can't think of another person so successful in building UP Statism in our lives than that man.
Then, just a few months back, they tried the "we're the moderate middle" scheme. A further warning shot as to the reality of Reason.com. Libertarians AREN'T moderate. They/we are where the left and right bend back the spectrum to make a circle. it's the FRINGE on both sides, ultimately meeting at anarchism. It's not the "middle" in the common sense of the word - the "so long as there's a State enforced answer, I'm willing to be open minded". That's the road to Statism - whether you want to call it fascism or communism (practical) or Fabianism or whatever.
I simply look at the political spectrum as a circle/clock. Anarchism at 12, Statism at 6. so there IS a middle at the top and bottom, but the greater belief in the super-ordinate pushes toward 6, the lack of belief in the super-ordinate pushes toward 12. I have no doubts, when the chips are down, the average Reason writer will run toward 6.
Well said.
Everyone on Reason is that way now. Certainly, they lean libertarian on individual issues; legalize drugs and prostitution, stop blowing up other countries, etc. But they have no framework for these positions, no guidelines, they really are just a jumble of issues that coincidentally add up to being libertarian-flavored, almost by accident.
There was someone else who made this very point...almost 40 years ago. What was her name...
OH! I REMEMBER!
Ayn Rand.
She despised the Libertarian party for the same reasons you listed. That and plagiarism.
Of the dismay we saw last week from the media, a lot of it was really bewilderment about why so many people were unconvinced by their biased reporting.
We smeared him every way we could, we made it absolutely clear that voting for Trump was completely unacceptable, and people voted for him anyway?!
There must be something wrong with those people.
Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em all.
We/they are coming more and more solidified in the understanding that there IS something wrong with "those people", with turnabout back. At this point, everyone has a loosened grip on everyone else's throats. The government is the conduit for that grip. Sad enough in and of itself. But this is the position we're in as we necessarily have to undo a $100,000,000,000,000 imbalance in rights to property. There's two sets of rights that has been created over one set of property. And we're ready to squeeze the life out of somebody else for cutting us off on the interstate, we're strangling people do death for selling loose cigarettes, and we're setting shit on fire in response.
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With the level of Force already being used, and what's stored in The Dynamo, and the incredibly thin skins a society bred to be juveniles into ones 30's has, one can be despondent over the proportionate level of Force that will probably be unleashed as the Great Settlement over plural "rights" in property - double what exists - occurs. If there's a statistical downturn in overall violence, it should probably be seen as simply a "bubble", because I believe it is the product of treating the entire economy as a bubble. We've seen the fallout when subordinate bubbles have burst the last decade and a half. The settlement of our "rights" will likely be the bursting the biggest bubble of all. And just like interference with the business cycle MAY elongate the frequency, it also increases the amplitude. If we've bought peace it's a false peace and it will be paid for with an equal downturn with the same area under the curve.
Meaning -we're fucked, we're all fucked.
This is a retarded conclusion. The media didn't just have polls, they also had the results from the primaries. I seem to recall that Trump won his handily, but a grumpy old socialist who wasn't even a member of the Democrat Party gave Hillary a run for money. Such a run for her money that she had to conspire with the media to cheat in the debates. I also recall that Wikileaks demonstrates that the Democrats wanted Trump as their opponent, which would explain why NBC held back on its Billy Bush pussy-grabbing tape until after the nomination even though it was as newsworthy in April as it was in September. Sure the media interviewed Trump supporters, but never in the flattering light that it showed Hillary supporters.
The electorate hung Trump and Hillary in the balance, and found Hillary wanting.
Trump won. Hillary lost. Get over it.
He can't admit failure, because that would require recalibrating their methods. And doing that would then mean having to pay attention to all those people they'd much rather ignore in the first place.
So. Much. DERP.
Sometimes you click on Reason articles not to read the story, but just to read the comments. Because you know some capital-R Reason writers prefer to eschew small-R reason and instead go for easy emotional arguments and demagoguery. I mean shitting in the cotizenry because they were pissed off at a government not working for them and voting for the a**hole they think can best sh*tcan it and start over as much as possible in the system? Is that what libertarianism passes for these days?
And Chapman, I'd like to see by which libertarian standards, Hillary was a less deplorable candidate than The Donald. I mean progressives might believe it to be so, but you're not one, right?
Personally, I couldn't in good conscience vote for either. But them's sometimes the breaks in a democracy. Heck, in a normal election cycle I might have been able to vote Libertarian. But in this election cycle, that would just have encouraged Libertarian machinists to believe that running on warmed over moderate Dem policy with some small government Rep elements was actually a productive enterprise for a big-L Libertarian party.
You need a vacation Steve.
Urban elites epitomize the "cultural bubble" and its sad how you can't even recognize that. Urban culture pervades everything from Facebook, music, movies, and TV. The entire country is inundated with a mono-culture defined by hyper-liberal progressive philosophy.
Minorities and LGBT are portrayed in culture at a level far above actual population representation and this directly fluctuates with the current social engineering agenda. Rural males and white manual labor workers are routinely portrayed as ignorant, unworldly, and whatever "-ist" is the current hot topic. College age white males are suffering the worst brunt of this with lives being destroyed in support of the mono-culture.
FFS. Most of the country sees this and despises it. Trump, with his enormous negatives, won on the backs of how sick people are of it. But yet, you can't even understand it exists.
And you mention the rural, non-college educated whites in PA coming out in numbers. Yeh, I live in PA. Some of my friends are rural, non-college educated whites and they are apparently a heck of a lot smarter than you. They forgo TV and social media for the most part, raising families, working, and for a number, starting their own successful businesses from scratch. They can quote Kipling and are extremely well read of history. They are noticeably wiser than you, and yeh, many voted Trump.
PA has always voted for Republican candidates, only swinging Dem due to Philadelphia. should we talk about the urban, uneducated folks who are bussed to the polling places and paid to vote in a certain way?
Mr. Chapman, if you cannot see that your article is dripping with condescension, then you still don't understand why Trump was elected. For the record, I voted for Johnson so I'm not a supporter of either Clinton or Trump. Even I could see that the mainstream media, everything from newspapers to news networks to late night talk and comedy shows to web news sites, discounted every story, poll, and person that didn't favor Clinton. You cite Piers Morgan for his foresight but you know what flaming progressive was screaming about this for months? None other than Michael Moore. This may be the only thing he ever gets right.
Clinton ran a horrible campaign with no cohesive message that resonated with voters. She failed to make herself available to the press in the form of press conferences for almost a year. Hillary didn't campaign or spend money in any significant amounts in states that Trump flipped but she spent more energy on trying to get one electoral vote from a Nebraska electoral district. Clinton had serious problems with her classified information handling and lied at every opportunity to explain her involvement. These are some of the reasons she lost. The media failed because they wouldn't tell the empress that she had no pantsuit.
If the media failed to foresee the election outcome, it's not because they weren't paying attention. It was partly because they relied on the most comprehensive information available?national and state polls.
These two things are the same thing.
I'm still working on my 'open letter to Democrats' and the above falls right into line with one of my bullet points. The information you had that was 'comprehensive and available' wasn't comprehensive. It also ignored a kind of self-selection problem. And it's not like this is the first time we've seen this phenomenon.
If the media made a mistake, it was assuming that voters would judge Trump by the same standards applied to past candidates.
Whoa... whoa.... WHOA Chapman, you're going off the rails here!
With polls in hand, the media concluded that the electorate, including working-class white men in small towns, had seen through Trump. That was the ultimate media failure: not expecting too little of these voters but expecting too much.
What is it, again, that you expect from me, Mr. Chapman?
I think the reporting on the poll results decided the election. Neither candidate exactly had strong support. Many people simply disliked the other candidate enough to vote for someone they disliked less. As a result people not wanting to vote for Hillary likely took the polls showing her leading as comfort that they did not have to actually cast a vote for her to keep Trump out of office, so they stayed home. Also early reports of high turnout by Latino's and other minority groups may have helped confirm the logic of staying at home
By contrast those who were voting for Trump because they disliked Hillary even more, may have felt energized to get out to vote to try to keep her from winning.
I know I have not voted in a few elections because I was not eager to vote for a particular candidate an knew that the candidate I would likely vote for would comfortably win my state. In such a close election however such an attitude by a large enough number of people can shift the results in just enough areas to change the outcome.
Re: "Their failure was the product of data, not ideology."
Chapman speaks of data as if it is a monolithic arbiter of objectively-verifiable truth.
Rather, data can and often is colored by ideology. More specifically, colored by methodology that is colored by ideology.
When the pollsters were deciding on their samples and the samples' validity, they had to make guesses about whether the samples would represent the actual voters. And here is where they got it all wrong, in no small part due to ideological blinders. When you have the major liberal papers publishing polls that far, far, far oversample blacks who overwhelmingly vote Democrat (and Podesta discussing how to use this exact tactic), it is undeniable that ideology is a problem in the "data."
What a fucking shill.
Hey, Chapman is grieving. Don't you understand? How else is he suppose to convince everyone that he's morally superior to them then by berating them?
He's such a good shill that I think he has a good chance at being the Libertarian Party's next nominee!
Libertarian Moment!
alleged?
The smart people voted for Trump and won. The dumb people voted for HRC or the other two losers and lost. They continue to prove how stupid they are by protesting a democratic election. Trump also won the popular vote:
http://www.infowars.com/report.....al-aliens/
the get up go to work feed the family maybe take a short simple vacation types of folks have wearied for far too long of the Big Guys in DC steamrolling over the top of us, squeezing what little we can set by to the point of "what's the point". Meanwhile we see the ruling elites, like Clintons Both, Bloomie, Soros, etc, living large on what we no longer have left because THEY are spending it. I am convinced it is not lost on Regular Americans of every colour, culture, ethnicity, background, socioeconomic category, etc, that the kinyun and his pals can spend hundreds of millions of OUR money, taking family and pals on frequent and long vacations to places we only see in the movies (when we can afford to even go to theatre and SEE them), and the four more planeloads of our "servants" spoiling and wating upon them hand and foot, meanhile participating in debauchery ON OUR NICKEL, and getting off with it.
This nation was founded on the principle, amongst others, that there IS no royalty. No "landed gentry", no "blueblood" class.... yet we see our "leaders" not only stiffing US, but living like we can't, on OUR nickel. Ya think THAT is not lost on the Regular American Voters? Think again... but hopefully its too late for media and elites to think again. The change we've been hoping for done come.....
Another misinformed thin skinned "journalist" revealing his bias and masturbating his ego... It's funny that he's from the Chicago Tribune. For the record you may feel that you can just disregard the mail in ballots of the Military and other Americans not in the country, but we don't and counting those votes Clinton lost the popular vote as well... "what does it matter at this point anyway?" He destroyed her in electoral votes. You can slight us white males with your thinly veiled puerile bigotry all you like, you only serve to confirm your snobby elitist logically fallacious way of thinking.
This is embarrassing, Reason, just stop it. Trump got about the same white votes as Romney; where he won was in the black vote, the Hispanic vote, and the Asian vote, the very people you think he's racist against. So no, black people are not "irregular", no one said that, stop race-baiting. The "regular" American is someone who works 9-5 for a modest wage outside of the heavy metro areas, as opposed to rich elitists and the poor people they buy votes from with ever-increasing welfare and pandering and fear-mongering. I can't believe a libertarian publication doesn't understand the idea of the establishment political class and their handmaidens in academia and the media manipulating the populace, it's like they've never read anything from Thomas Jefferson through Murray Rothbard. Gary Johnson did well in this election, but libertarianism suffered, because it's being watered down into a milquetoast, libertine philosophy of vague "moderate-ism" instead of the radical, philosophically solid defense of liberty it was meant to be.
Oooh, Chapman is salty.
I'm proud of myself...I made it to the 4th paragraph of this Chapman screed before nausea set in.
You know, If Reason magazine was indeed about reason, Chapman wouldn't even get the time of day from them. I wonder why they keep publishing his tripe.
Maybe its because he generates views.
Maybe its because he generates comments.
It CAN'T be his objectivity and insightful journalism. Or unbiased reporting. Or what the hell ever he calls it.
I'm going to stop opening the link to his articles. Maybe he'll just fade away...
"On Tuesday, analysts reported, the outcome was determined largely by a surge of support from whites who didn't go to college".
Well being a member of The Prince of Darkness Cabal, you know the white male, but not exactly college educated, went but didn't complete, perhaps instead of saying "who didn't go to college" it should say "those who are not thoroughly indoctrinated".
When your girlfriend gets back a paper that says "Wrong Opinion", you know what is a foot.
What a strange article. Confusing, poorly written and hard to understand. Who the hell is Steve Chapman?
"Alleged" Failure
Wow, it turns out Champan really is a total dickhead.
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