Oregon is Cracking Down on Smoking Patios
And business owners are hurting as a result.


Oregon health authorities are forcing many of the state's bars to close their outdoor smoking patios, creating inconvenience for customers and financial hardship for business owners.
Oregon has long prohibited smoking in bars and restaurants, with the state's Indoor Clean Air Act (ICAA) banning the practice in "enclosed spaces." However, the ICAA does not define what exactly an "enclosed space" is, leaving it to the Oregon Health Authority (OHA) to make that determination.
Since 2009 the OHA has operated under the definition that anything with three or more walls and a roof was an "enclosed space" where smoking was prohibited. This forced smokers outside, but gave businesses enough freedom to create comfortable and secluded patios where patrons could enjoy a smoke in peace.
But now that peace is being disturbed, thanks to a tweak the OHA made in how it considers "enclosed."
Last year, the OHA drastically expanded what an "enclosed space" was to include anything with more than two walls, roof or no. Given how the OHA defines walls, this change meant that if a bar has an open-air patio with no roof and a waist-high fence on three sides, it could not allow smoking.
While the rule went into effect back in January of this year, many business owners are just now learning of it. This is in large part the doing of OHA itself, which has gone out of its way to avoid attracting attention to its changes to the ICAA.
For instance, when the agency sent out notifications of public hearings on the proposed rule change they declined to mention anything about smoking patios or "enclosed spaces," instead saying only that definitions to the ICAA were to be updated at meetings largely about new vaping laws. When the expanded definition of enclosed spaces was approved following those hearings, OHA failed to notify businesses.
As a result, bar owners have been taken completely by surprise as notifications from OHA have started to appear, telling them to shut down their outdoor smoking areas or risk massive fines.
One owner told The Portland Mercury that his business had declined 20 percent since the OHA told him he had to shut down his smoking patio. Another owner reports losing out on hundreds of dollars a night since the change, and frets that he'll be out of business in six months if the revenue drop-off continues.
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Oregon is Cracking Down on Smoking Patios
Who set the patio on fire in the first place?
Smoke em if you got em?
FINED!!!!!
/OHA
It's bad enough I have to walk by and see people enjoying delicious meals, but also catch a whiff of that satisfyingly smooth tobacco?
You can smoke marijuana, but you can't smoke a patio.
You can tune a piano....
So it this post, or the Clownz!!!! one the Mourning Lynx?
Smoking Clowns or mourning lynx? Hmmmm.
Send in the lynx, grieving wild cats....
Fist hardest hit.
Not enough Lynx!
And too many clowns.
These are the lynx. Only one today!
One! One lynx! Ah, ha-ha-ha-ha!
One singular sensation, one and only link he makes.
+ a chorus line
One lynx to rule them all One Lynx to bind them, One Lynx to rule them all and in the comment mines bind them
SMELL SOMETHING- SAY SOMETHING.
He who smelt it, etc.
He who denied it, supplied it.
Why can't Portland leave everyone else alone?
We affirm your right to make choices, but only the choices that we'd make.
Same reason D.C. Can't.
"THINK OF THE POW-AH!"
^This
If they aren't fucking with someone, how can they justify their cushy six-figure jobs at taxpayer expense. They certainly aren't trained to work for a living.
LINKS ARE LATE
Soave?
It's only Soave's fault in the afternoon. Mornings are usually ENB.
Abortions greatest sin: impacting the links.
So many rules here on the H&R, who woulda thunk it?
Wow, good call JB.
ATTICA! ATTICA! ATTICA!
They used to come at 9:30. You people are worse than heroin addicts!
Yes. Yes we are.
People think is this just about smoking in public, but some people think smoking is murder.
Smoking meat is murder.
- Midwestern Smiths
So you can only smoke abortions?
They are hard to get lit, but once they are going... woo, boy!
Salt cured, cool smoked, thin sliced, served on artisanal bagels.
Portland's next foodie affectation.
You know who else killed people with chemical fumes?
Several state governments?
Union Carbide?
Nice.
Abraham Darby?
"Dutch" Oven?
Every Dutch oven operator
People are going to be smoking hangers in dark alleys. Monsters.
I see Robby has the AM Links. In the meantime, am I supposed to believe that the Cubs won't shit the bed now that they have their fans all the way to the edge of belief? Not that Los Doyers are any more realistic as a World Series team.
6 non-election posts in a row:). Thank You!
It's pretty simple: you can't have smoking patios and farting patios within close proximity to one another. It's just too dangerous.
This is in large part the doing of OHA itself, which has gone out of its way to avoid attracting attention to its changes to the ICAA.
I'm shocked; shocked, I tell you.
Easy fix, circular patios. Not more than two walls.
I like the cut of your jib.
circular patios
[OHA makes note]
Like most busybodies with a cause the cause is just a pretense for controlling people. This was never about smoking or about health. It was always about punishing people and controlling them. It started with the passive-aggressives sniffing and sneezing and bitching when smokers were around, the ones that claim they are 'allergic'. Now the state has gotten into the act because they found a way to make money from it.
Remember when they swore they would never ban smoking in private businesses? How long before they kill people over a single cigarette....oh.
I agree it was never about health. People didn't like the smell so they banned it.
People don't like the sight of it, either. Or the thought of it.
Thinking is racist and therefore triggering.
In all fairness, cigarette smoke smells like shit and smokers don't realize how pervasive, irritating, and obnoxious it really is. I'm totally against smoking bans...in principle. There are things a lot more worthy of our outrage. Once smoking became a thing that only 15% of Americans did public smoking didn't have a chance. Was it gone about the right way? Probably not. But the idea that 85% of us have to walk around amidst a smelly, noxious cloud of tobacco smoke all the time to respect the "rights" of a small minority of people who insist on sharing their habit with the rest of us...yeah that was going to end one way or another.
Smokers are easier to hunt down and kill. They can't run that fast for very long.
They're almost as easy to run down as disgusting fatbodies.
The 85% got everything they wanted and more. And it's still not good enough.
Agreed. At a certain point it turned into a witch hunt, where you can't even sit in your own house and smoke, because public health nannies took over the "movement" and made it all about control. It never should have been framed as a public health debate in the first place. Unfortunately, there really doesn't seem to exist a basic legal framework for banning something because it's fucking annoying and everybody hates it. Everything has to be framed as a danger to public health, etc. Maybe there should be - should be some way for a tyrannical majority, on very benign issues, to tell a minority of people "what you're doing is annoying and we hate it and it's making our life worse, so we're going to put an end to it." Then maybe you get public smoking bans and that's it. Who knows.
Followed by nannies strung up on lampposts. I really don't think they want to push it much further.
"All the time..."
There you go. If every once in a while you voluntarily end up near a smoker you hyperventilate that your forced to be around them all the time. Really, your just an asshole who likes to control people.
There I go where? You have no idea what kind of asshole I am.
I'll be on the patio huffing glue. Let me know when the lynx are up.
*throws folding chair*
Where da links!
Since there is no morning links yet, here is a retro links from Sept 4
It has the story of that poor 69 year old women with an oxygen tank who was punched in the face at a Trump rally
I wonder if there has been any follow up to the story?
http://reason.com/blog/2016/09.....es#comment
You didn't enclose that.
Why can't you recognize it's for your own good you scumbag degenerate piece of shit cigarette smokers?