Obama Compares Obamacare to Smartphone That Was Recalled for Catching on Fire
It's an apt metaphor for the health law-but not in the way the president thinks.

The strangest moment in yesterday's big presidential address on Obamacare came when President Obama implicitly compared the health care law to Samsung's Galaxy Note 7 smartphone, which was recently recalled worldwide for being a fire-safety hazard.
The speech was a defense of the signature law, and an argument against repeal, and while President Obama admitted that the law had flaws and requires fixes, he said that wholesale repeal was not the solution, citing the smartphone market as an example.
"When one of these companies comes out with a new smartphone," he said, "and it had a few bugs, what do they do? They fix it. They upgrade—unless it catches fire, and they just—[laughter]—then they pull it off the market. But you don't go back to using a rotary phone. [Laughter.] You don't say, well, we're repealing smartphones."
The comparison is apt, though not in the way the president seems to think.
The aside about a phone that catches fire was clearly a reference to the Galaxy Note 7, which Samsung released in August. Multiple reports of the phone catching fire quickly appeared. But in October, after attempting to fix the device's problems by issuing replacement phones that also caught on fire, Samsung announced a global recall—pulling it, as Obama noted, from the market entirely.
The Samsung Note 7 was the flagship product from one of the premier smartphone manufacturers in the world. Estimates suggest that pulling it from the market will cost the company somewhere in the neighborhood of $3 billion in lost profit. The announcement that the company was recalling the phone instantly reduced the company's market value by about $17 billion. In addition, many of Samsung's customers are further upset about the company's refusal to pay compensation.
The decision to pull the phone off the market, in other words, was a decision to admit failure, and take a massive loss in both value and reputation. But the company pulled the phone because it wasn't working. It's not the most of the phones the company sold during the short term. At the time of the recall, the company had received 92 reports of the battery overheating in the United States, including several from phones that were supposed to have been made with replacement parts. That was enough to spur the recall of roughly two and a half million phones.
No, the problems with the Galaxy Note 7 didn't cause us to "repeal smartphones" or go back to relying on rotary devices. But it did cause the company to completely discontinue the faulty product—meaning that consumers on the hunt for a new mobile device would have to choose a competitor, like, for example, Apple's new iPhone, which runs on a totally different operating system.
Obama's choice of metaphor, it turns out, tells us something not only about the health law, but about Obama's relationship to it. From the beginning, he has been unable to conceive of the possibility that there might be policy alternatives to his preferred design—especially those that rely on a totally different underlying system. He confuses a repeal of Obamacare with a repeal of all health policy reforms, rather than as a necessary but insufficient step in a different direction.
Republicans in office, of course, have aided him in this misperception, all but ignoring health policy for years, and then refusing to offer alternatives, or even the kind of party-wide public debate that is necessary to craft and build support for major policy decisions. But that does not mean those alternatives do not exist—merely that the competitors have done a poor job developing them.
Take a look at what's happening with Obamacare right now. Individual market premiums are set to rise by at least 30 percent in 8 states. Across the country, health insurers are pulling out of the law's exchanges, meaning that an estimated 1.4 million people (and possibly more) will lose their current plans and have to switch to new ones. Enrollment, already far lower than expected, is likely to stagnate this year, meaning that many of the law's problems are likely to persist.
Obamacare has more than a few bugs. Its architects have already taken extraordinary, in and several cases legally dubious, measures to fix it. Those fixes have not worked. A recall, it's true, would be costly, and damaging to the brands of both Obama and his party. The transition would probably not be smooth. It would no doubt leave many upset and frustrated. And yet, as with Samsung's failed phone, it would still be more than warranted.
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What a pompous ass he is!
He is the king of condescension.
If only this sentiment had existed when the laws were being written?
Okay, NOW he wants to call it ReaganCare.
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I don't care -- (laughter) -- about credit, I just want it to work
LOL, what a jokester.
Christ, what an asshole!
This works for almost everything the man says.
I read some horrible article on huffpo I think by this lady who had a such positive experience with the NHS in england she was moved to blog about it. Fine. Maybe we see some things we like in socialized healthcare; what we don't see are the medicines that could have been invented (but werent), or the lives that could have been saved. If it doesn't even look like its working though...
Unfair to Samsung; that thing actually works before it burns to the ground.
Well, that and Samsung doesn't threaten to shoot you in the head if you don't buy one.
And Samsung doesn't try to lay the blame for their phones catching fire at the feet of Apple and the iPhone.
Nor are they threatening to fine you or put you in jail if you want to quit carrying a phone that can burn you.
Samsung also didn't tell people who still liked their flip phones that their phones would still work just fine, then act to disable them all.
Should we make owning cell phones a right? Hrmm, thanks for the idea!
The fact that Samsung has taken a huge hit is just another example of how the market is not only economically superior but morally superior to government planning.
When government plans fail, there is no punishment of the actors involved; in many cases, such as Obama's, millions of people will support the actor and scapegoat someone or something else, no matter what.
And all the money paid by taxpayers gets refunded?
Exactly. If the analogy really worked, Obamacare would've been abandoned already, and everyone behind the bill would be looking for a job.
"When one of these companies comes out with a new smartphone," he said, "and it had a few bugs, what do they do? They fix it. They upgrade?unless it catches fire, and they just?[laughter]?then they pull it off the market. But you don't go back to using a rotary phone. [Laughter.] You don't say, well, we're repealing smartphones."
Hey, dumbass, notice the difference between "they" and "we"? One is the way the market works, the other is the way the market gets subverted.
I think that you're grasping for meaning there: he used "we" after "say," making it a quotation, hence the shift to first-person.
Sometimes, Obama's deep knowledge of the tonal subtleties inherent in the Austrian language (to say nothing of his native Swahili) leaks into his English, and unfortunately appears to the peasantry as a rhetorical mistake.
What? Are you seriously suggesting he meant Samsung wouldn't repeal smartphones? Samsung fixes and upgrades and recalls - only government gets to repeal. There's clearly two different entities he's talking about there.
Yes, I am suggesting that. He meant it to be ludicrous, in order to imply that repealing his healthcare law would be ludicrous.
Ah, I see Tulpa is back and being an idiot.
I keep seeing references to "Tulpa" in comments, but my research into the term has been totally inconclusive.
Try looking in a mirror instead of the comments.
That fails to explain the phrase. The Wikipedia article states that it's a term used in Indian and Tibetan Buddhism. How does that apply here?
Synonym for "weeny contentious asshole troll"
it is also a specific person, but it hardly matters anymore. its an archetype.
Tulpa looms large
And in that moment, we were all Tulpa.
There is no Tulpa. It's you who Tuls around the Pa.
Tulpa always pretends not to know what "Tulpa" means.
What if Tulpa is really Aplut!!???
iirc tulpa was the username of a leftist troll on h&r. after the tulpa name was abandoned commenters would sometimes jokingly & sometimes not refer to other leftist trolls here as sockpuppets of the Tulpa account. Now its used as a sort of shorthand for commenters whose defenses of socialism are overaggressive or particularly ludicrous.
Obama is inadvertently saying that repeal of Obamacare is warranted: when the phone (this particular healthcare law) catches fire, you pull it off the market (repeal it). You don't say, well, we're repealing smartphones (eliminating healthcare law in general).
Or Samsung's own S7. But, meh, I'll just keep my Note 7. I don't want a different phone this year.
The phone call informing you of your rate increase is coming from inside the house.
of Representatives
*applause*
While there is of course a strong chance that they will choose a competitor, by no means do they have to; Samsung has a gajillion different current-gen phone models.
"Legally dubious"? Is that the new way to say "blatantly unconstitutional"?
-jcr
Republicans in office, of course, have aided him in this misperception, all but ignoring health policy for years, and then refusing to offer alternatives, or even the kind of party-wide public debate that is necessary to craft and build support for major policy decisions.
Why do they need to have an "alternative"? Why do we need anyone in government giving us a "plan" or lgislation telling us what to do, Peter?
Yeah, it seems refusing to offer an 'alternative' is one of the smartest things the Republicans have done. It keeps the Democrats firmly on the defensive. They aren't allowed to change the narrative to criticizing a republican plan. They have to keep defending their mess even as it gets so bad that even they have to admit it's going up in flames.
I agree, but I'm real sick of hearing morons tell me that there's no alternative. There is an alternative: Leave me (and the market) alone.
THAT is the "alternative plan" I want.
"There is an alternative: Leave me (and the market) alone."
My man!
As usual libertarians have no big ideas. This is why 1000% of humans reject the libertarian brand.
And don't you dare call me out on this post, bullies.
*snort*
All rights are subject to reasonable regulations, and those regulations are reasonable if SCOTUS says so.
/Hihn
Dred Scott agrees.
Hihn is Tony?
May as well be.
I once argued with Hihn that property rights don't necessarily allow a property owner to kill a person who simply walks onto his land. I thought such an argument fell within his "no natural right is absolute" line of thinking. Instead, he accused me of being a socialist who disrespects property rights.
It's almost like Hihn doesn't come here to argue in good faith. Like Tony.
I find Hihn both fascinating and tedious in nearly equal measure. On the one hand, he's clearly suffering from some sort of mental illness. I'm not saying that to be cute or a dick or whatever, I think he might be a paranoid schizophrenic. I've had a couple extended family members who had that and the symptoms at least in terms of the persecution fantasies and so forth that Hihn shows are just like what they had. He also is clearly here to troll, but, due to aforementioned issues, can't keep it together long enough to be effective. He just loses it on people and the trolling backfires. It's annoying and distracting.
On the other hand, there's a story there. It seems like he maintains that a.) he is the only true libertarian, b.) he was an important and influential core member of the LP, c.) the LP is hopelessly awful and not libertarian, d.) libertarianism is stupid, and d.) there isn't a Democrat he doesn't like. So, he ran as a Libertarian in Washington State for some local position some time in the past. I can only assume that his bitter grapes thing is the result of his feeling cheated by the party.
Oh, that last d.) should be an e.), obviously.
The Pauls had something to do with ruining his LP, drawing it to the rightt and flooding it with republicans.
BUT WHAR MAH FREE STUFFZ LOSERTARIAN?!
Suderman is a Beltway Boy - alternatives and reform must , by definition, increase government power, cost billions of dollars, spawn thousands of pages of regulation, etc.
See, also, "free trade".
Also, "legalized cannabis"
It's alarming that an allegedly libertarian publication, the impression govt should not do nothing because it's not govt's role has gone right over Petey's head.
FWIW, he's not much of a libertarian (yeah, yeah, nor a Scotsman, neither).
By 'not much' you mean 'not one at all'?
But the status quo is the government doing a shit ton. If you want that to change, you must introduce the alternative of it getting out of the healthcare industry and be prepared to promote and defend that alternative. Instead the Republicans have just been sitting there with a thumb up their ass perfectly fine with the shit government was already doing to fuck the market up.
"If you want that to change, you must introduce the alternative of it getting out of the healthcare industry and be prepared to promote and defend that alternative. "
Not really, the government will fuck it up, colossally, and in a way they can't cover up by throwing money at it.
Just let their own incompetence force their hand.
In this particular case an alternative is needed because so much of what is wrong with health care and it's delivery in the US is the direct result of prior government meddling and the government run health care plans (Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, and the various government employee health care plans) were rapidly becoming fiscally unsupportable and so doing nothing was the equivalent of burying your head in the sand about the current problems and hoping they just went away.
If what was in place prior to Obamacare was largely a free market system then your point would be accurate.
Then tear the government out of the distorting role it is in. I don't want a "plan" on how the next group of Top. Men. will tell me how to take care of me and mine.
"Then tear the government out of the distorting role it is in."
I feel fairly certain the fiscal realities of the situation are doing exactly that right now, and will continue to do so.
I agree replacing with more top man plans is a bad idea but we do need to do something about health care
"but we do need to do something about health care"
but we do need to do something about health care
No. We absolutely, positively DO NOT.
The passage of PPACA made my prior coverage on the individual market at the time ineligible in so many different ways it's ludicrous.
1) I'm a 52 yr old single male w/ no children, but now I must have a plan that covers maternity services and pediatric dental.
2) I now get to "pre-pay" for a "Free" annual physical- the last time I had a "physical" was when I was a 14 yr old trying to be allowed to work- and it was a state "mandate" then, also- so I could get a "work permit".
3) "No lifetime coverage limits"- Again, I'm 52. If I am ever to even earn more than $3 million in my life, I will need a job paying $150K/yr, now. My former "catastrophic care" plan had a $6 million limit- and I was happy with that.
4) Mandatory "Mental health"/"Addiction" coverage- They want me to pay extra for something that I would rather simply shoot myself before ever using.
5) Mandatory "free" annual colonoscopy- As Tony Soprano said, "I don't even let people wag their finger in my face". I definitely ain't "pre-paying" for something I will never use to simply subsidize someone else's care.
I could go on, but it's all the same...
This times a billion. The competition to Obamacare IS NOT ALLOWED to develop an "alternative"
The left's demand of an "alternative" from anybody criticizing Obamacare is essentially a demand that everyone else accept their ideological position that healthcare is an affirmative right of individuals to receive it and a collective burden people to provide it. Obamacare is predicated on that concept and they essentially demand that the everyone else consider that acceptance of that concept is a settled matter.
Why do they need to have an "alternative"? Why do we need anyone in government giving us a "plan" or lgislation telling us what to do, Peter?
Because the cost of healthcare has outstripped the rate of inflation for decades, Medicare and Medicaid are costing over $1 trillion a year now, and the de facto American attitude about paying for it is using insurance instead of cash. These are monopolistic behaviors baked into the current system which Obamacare merely exacerbated, and the Republicans have done diddly-shit to offer actual solutions.
The only "Republican" in recent memory to offer up a plan that's even remotely libertarian-friendly is Trump. That's how bad it's gotten.
Yea after seeing their interventions...why do you want more?
" Why do we need anyone in government giving us a "plan" or lgislation telling us what to do, Peter?"
I've been calling his act a schtick, but it's really not. Suderman is following a script.
Suderman, why do you ignore MSA's and HSA's? These were Republican-proposed policies that are genuinely market-based ideas for health insurance. Give a little bit of credit where credit is due, no?
Yeah, but those aren't bloated "comprehensive" bills that seek to solve every issue with healthcare, so obviously they don't count. Duh.
So why can't insurance companies a) compete across state lines and/or international borders and b) not have customers compelled by law to buy their product? That would solve a LOT.
Competition across state lines - one of the few areas under the Commerce Clause that Congress actually has the authority to implement. And yet it doesn't do so.
Yeah. To be a genuine alternative to ObamaCare, the Republicans have to draft a bill that is at least 1500 pages of arcane legalese.
I agree! Obamacare is just as massive a failure as the Note 7.
What I don't understand is why this jackass' reputation, and the reputation of the Democratic Party as an entity, isn't taking a massive hit the way Samsung's reputation has.
Because these people's reputation, as well as calls for more government intervention to fix the problem they created in the first place, goes up with every failure...
Leftitarians like Suderman ultimately want a government 'solution.' So faced with the choice of nothing or something that was guaranteed to blow up in your face he and his ilk will never accept nothing.
Totally like the phone, a model of which i was forced to purchase under threat of fine or other penalty. No difference at all.
"Penalphone"
Can I raise an eyebrow?
Completely OT, but man, this election is nutty:
I love this stupid, crazy world.
I would love love love to see the fallout from a Trump victory just to see these retards losing their minds.
"Peanut buttering is better than firebombing, and Trump plans on firebombing everybody in other countries," Ms Ferguson reportedly said.
Maybe he's not the only one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0agBtEEYTaY
Is Bumblefuck aware that the Samsung replacement phones are catching fire as well? The ongoing disaster that is the VA system?
I hope every moron who voted for this idiot is proud of themselves. Actually I hope they fall off of a bridge, shoot themselves, lay their heads on railroad tracks, drink some Drano, or put their heads in an oven. If you voted for him even if 100 years go by I will still tell you to fuck yourself to your face.
Well, they're all going to vote for Clinton and it looks like she's gonna win, so, yeah, not only are they proud of themselves but they think they're moving everything right along towards Progtopia.
I want you to think of all the people you went to school with. The nose pickers, the pants wetters, the teacher's pets, the snitches, and the rest.
That's who works in government, "running" things. Why people would put them in charge of anything is beyond me.
But I bet you can take a rotary phone on a plane.
"Republicans in office, of course, have aided him in this misperception, all but ignoring health policy for years, and then refusing to offer alternatives, or even the kind of party-wide public debate that is necessary to craft and build support for major policy decisions."
I wouldn't mind if Pete was just wrong, it is the dishonesty that I hate.
Fuck you Peter.
Yeah I can't believe he forgot what the Republicans did when they had control of Congress and the White House!
Oh yeah.. create a new entitlement: Medicare Part D... fuck!
All the more reason why repeal and nothing more is the appropriate expected response.
Unless you are a government loving wonk like Suderman.
Can't forget the other Obamacare ('Obamaphone?') analogy: How consumers pay for it.
One just pays the $5 annual penalty for not having a smartphone, but when they need to actually make a call they go to Verizon, sign up for two-year contract that includes smartphone, make their call, then abandon contract, consume the phone, and pay $5 no-phone fee again.
Verizon gets tired of losing their ass essentially giving away $500 smartphones each time someone makes a call, and eventually gets out of smartphone business altogether.
Except the penalty is $2,000. And the payments for a family of husband, wife, and baby with no obvious health issues is $700 a month or so. Which is the equivalent of the payment for a car, the energy bill, the water bill, and food for the baby. Routine health care visits, say baby has a cold but you want to be certain it's not pneumonia, STILL have a co-pay on top of that. Nowhere else on earth is it that expensive. Remember, for the $2,000, you are getting absolutely NOTHING. For the $700 monthly, you are getting reassurance and advice you could get online. It's a totally fucked up system. There is NO reason basic health care should be that expensive.
They upgrade?unless it catches fire, and they just?[laughter]?then they pull it off the market. But you don't go back to using a rotary phone. [Laughter.] You don't say, well, we're repealing smartphones."
[sobbing]
What else can be expected from a genius who thinks wealth redistribution and single payer healthcare is just peachy but totally isnt a socialist?
I'm starting to think this Obama chap isn't that bright.
Starting? Have you been hiding under a rock the last 9 years?
I like a guy that doesnt sugarcoat things.
There is the intellectual base stealing is that ObamaCare is the equivalent of a smartphone and I guess what we had before was a rotary phone. The thing about a smartphone is that it is something desirable as a unit, rather than something that is inherently flawed in how it is supposed to function.
The Samsung Note 7 was the flagship product from one of the premier smartphone manufacturers in the world. Estimates suggest that pulling it from the market will cost the company somewhere in the neighborhood of $3 billion in lost profit.
I know this doesn't pertain to the point, but if you know anything about the Real Samsung corporation, this is a rounding error.
Even for large companies, $3 billion is no laughing matter. More importantly, Samsung at least responded almost immediately to market demand. Compare that to our government...
Certainly not, but Samsung is like Everything Corp in South Korea. It's literally a household name, and by literally, practically every product in the Korean household has Samsung's name on it. We think of Samsung as an electronics /smartphone maker, the Koreans get food products, housewares and even healthcare... all from Samsung. If Samsung existed that way in this country, the Federal government would go apeshit and break them up and arrest the CEOs because they'd make up a significant portion of the entire country's GDP.
I would love love love to see the fallout from a Trump victory just to see these retards losing their minds.
And then, once Trump has been dragged out of the White House in a straitjacket (in late March or early April, I'd say) we end up with Pence, in my estimation the least objectionable alternative available to us, short of taking a "do-over" election year.
All other issues aside, I was kind of hoping Carly Fiorina was the nominee, just to watch heads explode if the first woman president was a republican.
Repealing the ACA doesnt stop me from going to a doctor.
Dumbass.
You wouldn't be able to go to a doctor without government help. Like you wouldn't have roads or any other infrastructure without it... Know what I am saying?
In general, I interpret a tendency to rely on analogy as being indicative of weakness in reasoning ability; in specific cases, it also often indicates the presence of an aim to misdirect.
I interpret a tendency to rely on analogy as being indicative of weakness in reasoning ability
I agree.
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Temba, his arms wide
Ever read the Book of the New Sun series? There's a group of people mentioned in the last book IIRC who only speak by quoting from a particular book. They're based loosely on the Red Guards, and China during the Cultural Revolution in general.
Suggesting that argument from analogy is weak is like complaining about the hole in the roof after the horse is out of the barn.
Are you saying that Obama is Bo?
Repealing the ACA doesnt stop me from going to a doctor.
You poor, deluded fool. Repealing obamacare will cause all doctors to vanish in a poof of brimstone, to be replaced by barbers with leeches.
So....just like letting GM go bankrupt would cause all of their physical assets, IP, and brand equity to vanish
I wonder what laws we could repeal to make all government bureaucrats vanish in a pool of brimstone?
I don't know if anyone said this yet, but Obama is a fucking idiot.
I was about to. But you got here first. You've made an enemy for life.
*Sulking in the corner*
Aw dammit. I can't stay mad at you.
What a dumbass. Healthcare is the smartphone. Obamacare is Twitter.
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Typical liberal. When it's obviously not working, just keep it going, and pour billions more into it. Genius.
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The Obamacare phone runs on the battery that is the mandate and forced coverage of risky individuals. It obviously exploded on the whole scheme, because it's taking money out of consumer's pockets and placing a gigantic burden on the younger, healthy consumers.
So Obama holding up a phone engulfed in flame and telling everybody "It's OK, we don't have to scrap this, we just have to fix the problem."
"SSSHHH, don't say anything, let's see how long it takes for him to figure it out"
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The comparison of ObamaCare with the Samsung 7 is not as apt as Suderman suggests.
When a Samsung 7 works as intended, it is a wonderful device, and provides a plethora of communications, entertainment, and information services customized for an individual's particular needs and wants. And most of the time, it actually works as intended. It's also inexpensive relative to the value delivered if not for its battery problem. Prices of smartphones also go down every year.
Even if ObamaCare worked as intended, it's a crappy insurance policy that is designed to meet the government's preferences. And it never ever worked as intended, not since the ridiculously disastrous rollout of Healthcare.gov. It's also insanely overpriced and getting even more expensive unless you're a welfare recipient getting a subsidy or the Medicaid provision.
The comparison of ObamaCare with the Samsung 7 is a gross slander against the design, manufacturing quality, and product reliability of the Samsung 7.
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Samsung canned their entire phone line, something that otherwise worked spectacularly well, over a rare defect.
Obama is refusing to can a health care law that has been an utter failure.
Yes, Mr. Obama, do what Samsung did:admit your mistake, admit that it isn't fixable, and kill Obamacare.
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