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The Fear of a Rigged Election Is Not New

What's new is that Trump himself is leading the charge. But will that make a difference?

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It's getting harder to maintain any serious suspense about who will win the presidential election, so the focus has started shifting to the day after Election Day. Trump, trailing badly, has taken to preemptively declaring that if he loses, it will be because the game was rigged against him. A new Politico poll shows 41 percent of the voters, and 73 percent of Republicans, saying he may be right. So now the airwaves are full of fears about what could happen if Americans take those charges to heart. Here's CNN, for instance: "His accusations alone, experts say, could inflict long-standing damage on the US political system itself by eroding trust in the probity of the electoral process."

The biggest problem with this argument is that we already live in a country where a lot of people don't trust the electoral process. George W. Bush was dogged throughout his presidency by accusations of stealing elections—not just after the messy ending of the 2000 campaign, but after 2004 too, when figures as influential as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and publications as prominent as Vanity Fair and Harper's questioned the count in Ohio. In 2008, John McCain himself warned in the third presidential debate that we might be headed toward "one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy." After Obama won that year, a Public Policy Polling survey showed 52 percent of GOP voters believing that ACORN had stolen the election for him. Four years later, the same firm found 49 percent of Republican voters saying the same thing. You can dispute those particular numbers (it's a good idea to take PPP's polls with several grains of salt), but it's hard to deny that the idea was taken seriously on the right. (Here's a Townhall.com headline from November 2012: "Obama Likely Won Re-Election Through Election Fraud.") Meanwhile, the whole point of the "birther" story was that Obama was constitutionally ineligible to be president even if he did get the most votes.

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My point isn't to suggest that all those stories are equivalent. They aren't. My point is that we've spent the entire 21st century in a country where a significant segment of whichever party is out of power thinks the president holds office illegitimately. The "probity of the electoral process" has been distrusted for years.

Now, obviously it's unusual for the candidate himself to be leading the charge. You occasionally had moments like McCain's comment in 2008 or, more recently, Hillary Clinton's warning that Russia has "maybe" hacked into "some state election systems." But Trump is beating the drum hard in a way that really is unprecedented in recent U.S. history. This has led some pundits to fear that he will keep beating that drum after Election Day, with apocalyptic results. It's one thing for most of the GOP to think they've had the election stolen from them; it's another for the defeated nominee to be egging them on. What happens if we have a rerun of Trump's little meltdown after the Iowa caucuses, when the Donald demanded a do-over rather than accept that Ted Cruz had beaten him?

It's an open question. But Trump's ultimate aim after Iowa wasn't really to relitigate the vote; it was to make excuses for a public failure. My impression is that that's what he's up to now: not laying the groundwork for a post-election fight, but finding a way to salve his legendarily fragile ego. Trump certainly isn't acting like a guy who's trying to build a serious argument about electoral irregularities. He's acting like a guy who lashes out at anything in his way, to the point where even a Saturday Night Live sketch is supposed to be evidence that dark forces are rigging the election for Hillary:

Trump's fan base may find this compelling, but to everyone else he looks like Captain Queeg. If this is how he presses his case, he may end up doing more to discredit the idea of widespread electoral fraud than to promote it.

But the idea will persist either way, because the idea is an established part of U.S. culture. Denying that requires an almost willful amnesia.

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116 responses to “The Fear of a Rigged Election Is Not New

  1. Actually, it’s hard to argue that the media isn’t rigging the election when Wilkileaks has unveiled a tranche of emails showing the media doing just that.

    1. Plus, hasn’t it already been acknowledged that voting systems in numerous states are vulnerable to hacking?

      1. How many of them have actually been hacked?

        1. No idea. I’m just saying that it’s a bit disingenuous to simultaneously sow seeds of doubt about the integrity of the election while engaging in the oh-so-worried handwringing that people might doubt the integrity of the election.

          1. is that what Jesse is doing?

            1. I think the implication is that’s what Shillary is doing. She’s the one who speculated about Russian hackers compromising election systems.

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        2. We do not know and we do no have the means to know, and that is a really really big problem.

          It does not matter if none were hacked if a large enough number of the people disbeleive the results. The legitimacy of government rests on the consent of the governed.

          Voting is the means by which we measure that consent.
          It is NOT the actual consent.

          We need voter ID and other election reforms as well.
          Not as because we know the system is rigged.
          But because we must know that it is not.

      2. Also, whatever you might think of James O’Keefe, it’s pretty hard to explain away that NYC board of elections commissioner nonchalantly discussing vote fraud.

        1. It’s also pretty hard to explain why, if rigging elections doesn’t happen, O’Keefe caught Democratic operatives (who were forced to step down today) bragging about and explaining the ways in which they’re illegally registering voters and shipping them across state lines.

          It’s not a conspiracy theory when it’s actually happening…it’s a conspiracy.

    2. If the “media” is picking a side – is that “rigging”?
      If Wikileaks/Russkies are trying to influence the race – is that “rigging”?
      I see all this as interests and factions and cliques picking sides.
      “Hightening the Contradictions” as the John Lennon would say.

      1. I am the walrus?

        1. Shut the fuck up, Donny.

      2. The media picking a side is only rigging if the Media claim to be neutral. Claiming to be neutral would be terminally silly. However, the Media are certainly silly, and appear to be terminal.

    3. –oh, but Jesse will–he’ll argue til he’s blue in the face.

      We have ample evidence of the collusion between the government, the NC, the media, and the Hillary campaign.

      We have ample evidence that the screwed sanders over.

      We have new evidence that they were planting agitators at Trump rallies

      Not whispered boomer JFK blather–real, solid evidence.

      Let’s call it a ‘conspiracy’ and treat those who read it or want something done like they’ve got their heads wrapped in tin foil.

      1. There’s a difference between misleading the public (which is the media’s MO, always and forever), even if in collusion with the DNC and Herself, and rigging election results. There’s no doubt that many Dem-controlled precincts will tamper with ballots or fail to exercise diligence, but those places are voting for Hillary in a crush anyway and in any event it’s nothing compared to the wave threatening Trump.

        1. There’s a difference between misleading the public (which is the media’s MO, always and forever), even if in collusion with the DNC and Herself, and rigging election results.

          In the last month of a campaign, such basic, obvious distinctions tend to go out the window. Especially with someone like Azathoth, who says I’ll “argue til [I’m] blue in the face” a point that my post doesn’t even address (except inasmuch as “the media” includes Saturday Night Live).

          1. Walker! WALKER! WAAAALKWEEEER!

            1. Yes, Cliffhanger is a perfect movie, too.

              1. I don’t know, I could never buy Michael Rooker as a rock climber.

          2. And yet there’s STILL nothing about the latest O’Keefe video.

            Jesse, you have this unerring tendency to wallow in your conspiracy theories while ignoring actual conspiracies

            Journolist? Climategate? This election?

            1. When I think about real conspiracies, I think of the PRISM program, or contra drug smuggling, or COINTELPRO, or the Cambridge Spy Ring, or?if you want an electoral example?the vote-counting methods of Mayor Richard J. Daley. Not an email list run by Ezra Klein.

              Anyway, I’m all for being on alert for voter fraud on Election Day, but my suspicion right now is that the margin won’t be close enough for it to determine the outcome.

              1. So you know it when you see it?

                Does the govt treat the media to any special privileges compared to regular citizens? If so (and of course they do) then any conspiring among the media or between govt and media crosses the line. The question is how seriously.

              2. Azathoth is right. Did it escape your notice that the Democrats admitted that the operatives caught by O’Keefe on camera were actually working for the Democrats when they forced them to step down today?

                Have you see Project Veritas’ most recent video where those operatives explain, in detail, how they illegally register voters and ship them across state lines to vote in multiple elections? This isn’t a conspiracy theory, Jesse…it’s an actual conspiracy to commit voter fraud on a wide scale.

              3. Why not? Does the fact that it was clandestinely run by Ezra before Weigel screwed up not count? Is it because you’ve met the perpetrators?

                Because this collusion of news sources and politicos is exactly what’s going on now–and it hasn’t gotten any less dangerous, Jesse.

                It’s like you don’t understand that the suspicion is that the polls are just as manipulable as any other news and that the results are totally fake.

                Why would anyone think this/

                Why is Hillary spending so much money in states the polls say she’s trouncing Trump in?

                Why, at the time of my writing this has reason yet to comment on the new O’Keefe videos–but already has an article on Moore’s latest cinematic diarrhea?

                What side of the journalist are you fucking people on?

                1. Why not? Does the fact that it was clandestinely run by Ezra before Weigel screwed up not count? Is it because you’ve met the perpetrators?

                  It’s because mere covertness does not make it a conspiracy, or at least not an interesting conspiracy. I know it’s an article of faith in some circles that Journolist was a big hub for coordinating coverage, but the leaked emails failed to show that.

                  Have you see Project Veritas’ most recent video where those operatives explain, in detail, how they illegally register voters and ship them across state lines to vote in multiple elections?

                  I did in fact watch this yesterday, along with the previous video. Despite the usual questions about O’Keefe’s editing?I wish they’d release the full footage?and despite some overreach in how he frames what he’s got, I think there’s enough there to make it clear that both Foval and Creamer are sleazes, that they weren’t simply acting on their own, and that investigators need to look into how common such practices are.

                  I also don’t think such fraud will be enough to swing the election, because at this point I do not expect the election to be close. (Azathoth’s apparent belief that all the polls are being manipulated is unison is silly.) Obviously if we end up with a 2000- or 1960-style margin, that changes the picture considerably.

                  1. But no, I don’t dismiss Republican fears of vote fraud out of hand. I don’t dismiss Democratic fears of vote suppression either. I do dismiss Trump’s rants in which anything that doesn’t go his way is “rigging.”

                    1. You realize that Bob Creamer, who was in charge of the Democrats in that video talking about voter fraud has visited the White House 342 times (according to White House logs) and met personally with the President on 47 of those occasions? It’s a safe bet they weren’t discussing yoga routines and grandkids

                      It’s nice that you’re not dismissing Republican concerns, but I’m not sure you’re treating Democrat denials with anything close to a reasonable amount of skepticism. You’ve got a candidate with credible allegations of collusion with the press and collusion with her own party’s leadership to rig the Democratic primary against a competitor, who skated on what should have been a cut-and-dried case of mishandling classified data, who destroyed evidence under subpoena (risking a Title 18 violation that could have rendered her ineligible for office) and you think voter fraud is far-fetched just because Trump is complaining about it? How many dots do you need connected here to say that voter fraud is not only possible, but likely?

                    2. you think voter fraud is far-fetched just because Trump is complaining about it?

                      No, what’s far-fetched is Trump’s belief that anything he doesn’t like is evidence of “rigging.” Tonight he declared that the very fact that Clinton is allowed to run shows that the election is rigged. As I said in my post, that’s not a man building a serious case about election fraud; that’s a man whose incoherent arguments may well leave people convinced that the idea of election fraud has been discredited.

                      How many dots do you need connected here to say that voter fraud is not only possible, but likely?

                      Personally, I’d like to see the dots within the video itself connected, but O’Keefe is refusing to release the rest of his footage.

        2. Would finding ‘new’ batches of ballots that had been ‘forgotten’ in the trunk of people’s cars on the third recount constitute rigging an election? Al Franken’s senatorial opponent would like to know.

          1. Assuredly, but that’s small fries for a man looking at a national wipeout.

    4. Well, Wikileaks is releasing DNC and Podesta emails. It’d be weird to find examples of “the media” coordinating with Republicans in such emails.

    5. You need to define “rigging.”

      1. What I’m saying is that given the evidence we already have–is it crazy to think that they’re still doing things?

        I don’t think the polls are accurate at all–I think that they’re being manipulated. Why? Read those emails.

        There was a Trump rally a week or so ago in Cincinnati. Three thousand people had to be turned away. Three thousand.

        Hillary DREAMS of a rally with three thousand people attending.

        The Democrats are still advertising heavily in state they supposedly have ‘locked up’.

        What’s ‘rigging’? This mass collusion is part of it. The fact that people seem to just accept that the Dems will cheat–“There’s no doubt that many Dem-controlled precincts will tamper with ballots or fail to exercise diligence, but those places are voting for Hillary in a crush anyway”–but it’s okay if it’s in a blue state/area.

        Cheating in places they control is PRACTICE.

        So yeah, there’s gonna be some rigging going on.

    6. Funny how the Ecuadorian government just cut off Assange’s internet access because they “don’t want to interfere or support any candidate in foreign elections.” And this was at the request of John Kerry of course.

      1. According to the AP, Kerry basically told Ecuador that if they didn’t cut Assange’s access, they wouldn’t help Ecuador end the FARC insurgency.

  2. Trump’s fan base may find this compelling, but to everyone else he looks like Captain Queeg.

    Trump’s fan base thinks he is Ric Flair, but he is more like Sgt. Slaughter, you know what I mean?

    1. Wooooo

  3. I’m pretty sure charges of corruption in the voting process date back to, at least, Andrew Jackson’s loss to John Quincy Adams in 1824

  4. Trump’s fan base may find this compelling, but to everyone else he looks like Captain Queeg.

    I’d rather he look like Captain Quint.

    On a side note, the fact that Robert Shaw was an Englishman and completely realistically portrayed an entirely believable greasy working-class New England fisherman is one of the greatest acting jobs in history.

    1. Shaw was drunk the entire time, like most working-class New England fisherman usually are, so he was a natural for the part.

      1. On several of the documentaries I’ve watched on the film (I rate it as the rare “perfect movie”, in that there is no scene which could be removed nor any scenes which need to be added to improve the film)*, it’s been stated that he had to sober up to do the Indianapolis speech. He tried to do it drunk, but couldn’t get the whole thing out sensibly and with the gravitas that still gives me chills hearing it.

        *It was our dear departed Episiarch who first posited this definition of a “perfect movie” to me and suggested that Jaws fulfills this requirement.

        1. Have you ever seen the Robert Altman remake from the ’80s? I’ve never watched it, but the very idea of him doing The Caine Mutiny seems so strange that I’ve just got to track it down sometime.

          1. No, I haven’t, but I will now be certain to check it out.

          2. The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial is available on YouTube for $2.99 or for digital rental from iTunes and Amazon Video.

            Fan TV is a fantastic website and available on most phone platforms.

            (I know I sound like an ad, but it is a great resource.)

        2. What are your other “perfect movies?” Two that came to mind are Dr. Strangelove and There Will Be Blood.

          Jaws is up there, though, because it has so many little perfect details, like the Mayor’s anchor sport coat.

          1. The Fifth Element
            Sukerpunch
            Blazing Saddles
            Unbreakable
            The Matrix

            1. Grrr… Suckerpunch

            2. Fun Trivia re “Unbreakable”. My neighbor’s house is the exterior shot of the house where Bruce Willis fights and kills the home invader/kidnapper guy towards the end.

              1. Spoilers?!

                *crosses Unbreakable off the list of movies he’d never get around to watching anyway*

                1. The movie is 15 years old, its on you if you haven’t gotten to it.

            3. Young Frankenstein

            4. Suckerpunch

              There’s 2+ hours of my life I’ll never get back. What a load of dogshit.

          2. I can get behind Dr. Strangelove. Haven’t seen the other one.

            I’ll have to think some more and get back to you on others.

          3. I’d add The Princess Bride to that list. Perfectly executed and does not rely on popular culture for jokes (except for one Billy Crystal schticky line), making it timeless.

            1. As you wish.

        3. Shaw was a mess during Jaws, and yet a few years later he was sprinting around the field filming Bloody Sunday during the Super Bowl. It’s impressive.

          1. You mean Black Sunday, which is a highly underrated movie. It’s also the only movie I can think of besides Godfather II that I’ve ever seen Michael V. Gazzo, aka Frankie Pentangeli.

            Don’t think you’ll ever see Hollywood greenlighting a movie where the villians are Arab terrorists and the hero is an Israeli commando, not these days.

            1. Yes, Black Sunday, thank you.

    2. All while on the run for tax problems.

  5. “The Fear of a Rigged Election Is Not New”

    Tell that to Joe Kennedy, 1960.

  6. Pretty brilliant plan to use SNL to rig the election. They must be swaying dozens if not hundreds of voters.

    1. …you laugh, but how many under-40 types think Sarah Palin said ‘I can see Russia from my house’?

      SNL matters because it gets echoed throughout the rest of the legacy media (at least if it’s actually funny, it does).

  7. This election is most definately rigged with a broad definition of rigging.

    There is obvious and somewhat proven collusion with the media and both the DNC and the Clinton campaign.

    Project veritas just released video of collusion between Democrat pacs and the campaign along with dirty tricks at Republican events the result.

    The State Dept. and the FBI colluded to help keep one candidte from being indicted.

    This election was even rigged in the primaries in Ckinton’s favor.

    When Obama won 120% of the vote in a PA precint is that not election rigging ?

    1. Project veritas just released video of collusion between Democrat pacs and the campaign along with dirty tricks at Republican events the result.

      Still patiently waiting for Reason to comment on this one….

      ::looks at watch::

  8. Project veritas just released video of collusion between Democrat pacs and the campaign along with dirty tricks at Republican events the result.

    2,573,163 views since yesterday – 58,000+ thumbs up, 1606 thumbs down.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

  9. I don’t think anyone thinks these accusations are new. But it’s clear it’s different this time because the erstwhile head of one of our major parties is making it one of his “planks.” And that is indeed different from McCain’s one time mention, or Clinton’s vague suggestion.

    However, surprising? Nope. The GOP has made this one of their own planks for quite sometime now. It’s why so many states with GOP leadership have instituted new voter ID laws. And it’s also been harped on by right wing media for a long time. Trump is just logical (better yet, illogical) extension of an entire party peddling fear.

    Reading the comments here, sounds like Teump has hit a chord with so-called libertarians as well.

    1. Oh, and all this from a guy who said climate change is a hoax. The conspiracy theories never end…another bought into by so-called libertarian commenters here.

      1. I feel comfortable in saying that you would be quite content were Hillary to win with 98.5% of the vote a la Saddam Hussien and his ilk.

        1. Since I’m not voting for her, nope. Just another one of your whacked out theories.

        2. Oh I see. Since I had the temerity at Reason to criticize the GOP, I would just have to be a Hillary supporter. Right.

          1. That’s all they’ve been doing, ignoring the fact that the choice is binary.

            Libertarianism’s evolution since I’ve been following the movement in the mid-1980s is quite sad. They’ve morphed from recognizing the core values and differences in the two major parties to taking pride in pointing out the blemishes of their once-natural allies, the Republicans. Like Queen Gertrude libertarians “doth protest too much.”

        3. And you would think it would have been a-ok to criticize the GOP at. Libertarian site. Funny that, eh?

          1. The comment section here has been filled with authoritarian trash for years, sadly.

      2. Jackass. I really think you should do the opposite of what I have been advising my family, and friends.
        Put that giant ” I’m With Her” campaign sign on your front lawn, and that Hillary bumper sticker on your car.

  10. If this is how he presses his case, he may end up doing more to discredit the idea of widespread electoral fraud than to promote it.

    There’s no way to discredit it further. Democrats aren’t even going to pay lip service against it since they benefit from it in virtually every case; Republicans do speak up against it here and there, but since they are all racists-sexists-bigots-homophobes, the idea that voter fraud even exists is dismissed by all right-thinking people.

  11. George W. Bush was dogged throughout his presidency by accusations of stealing elections?not just after the messy ending of the 2000 campaign, but after 2004 too, when figures as influential as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and publications as prominent as Vanity Fair and Harper’s questioned the count in Ohio.

    It’s only a stolen election if the (R) candidate wins. Everyone knows that!

      1. 1a Patty Murray.

        1. 1b Christine Gregoire

    1. It must be. I don’t know anyone who voted for Bush.

    2. “It’s only a stolen election if the (R) candidate wins. Everyone knows that!”

      Yep.

      If Al Gore has succeeded in his attempt to steal the election by manufacturing votes out of invalid ballots and selective recounting certain areas the Dems thought would yield results in their favor, it would totally not count as stealing at all.

      1. Not to mention the entire media calling the election while the polls were still open in western florida along with three of four timezones. Something democrats completely forget. We’ll never know who actually would have won a fair election that day.

    3. That does seem to be the general response from Democrats in reaction to election results. And plenty of people on the other side, including a few here, seem to think the Democrats rig every election they win. Partisans thinking the other party can’t win fairly is standard operating procedure, sadly.

  12. “My point is that we’ve spent the entire 21st century in a country where a significant segment of whichever party is out of power thinks the president holds office illegitimately.”

    The only problem with that sentence is that it isn’t true. If you think RFK Jr is “prominent”, Jesse, well, then so are you.

    1. There were definitely a lot of Democrats who thought, and still think, that Bush did not hold office legitimately.

    2. If you think RFK Jr is “prominent”, Jesse, well, then so are you.

      He certainly is prominent, but the word I used to describe him was “influential.”

    1. We need an effective get-out-the-vote!

      1. It’s not a theory if it’s on video. Just ask Billy Bush.

  13. RE: The Fear of a Rigged Election Is Not New
    What’s new is that Trump himself is leading the charge. But will that make a difference?

    A rigged election in the USA?
    Say it ain’t so!

  14. Right. Focus not on the fact that 25 million invaders roam this nation ready and willing to vote, that all serious attempts at verifying voter eligibility have been deemed “unconstitutional,” or that massive voter fraud has already been demonstrated. Instead portray Republicans as paranoid.

    1. massive voter fraud has already been demonstrated

      If it’s been demonstrated in any reliable manner, it’s certainly strange that state governments can’t be bothered to actually provide that evidence as part of their defense in dozens of lawsuits over ID requirements and other voting rights issues.

  15. Voter fraud happens, it exists, and sometimes it does swing elections. The only question is what to do about it. And when you have one party at least trying to stop it, and (most of) another party that does everything possible to obstruct any and all policies to prevent voter fraud, and often advocate for policies that would make it easier to do it. If the Democrats and their allies took voter fraud seriously, instead of denying and denying, and cooperated with Republicans in at least trying to reduce the problem in good-faith, fears of significant voter fraud wouldn’t be taken seriously by most.

    Mr. Walker’s casual dismissal of legitimate concerns regarding voter fraud, not even engaging them, is part of the reason (pun not intended) that many believe there is a self-serving, cheating elite, which has led in part to Trump.

    1. The democrats do take voter fraud seriously; they love it when it benefits them, and they love to make accusations of it when they lose anyway.

  16. If anyone knows about stealing elections, though, it would be a Kennedy.

  17. Of course “rigging the election” may mean many different things to people. Some limit ‘rigging’ to voter fraud or active government intrusion in the electoral process. Most peoples definitions of rigging are broader to included collusion between campaigns, media, moneyed interests and government. Libertarians have been arguing for years our elections are ‘rigged’ against third party contenders who are not allowed on debate stages or given any media time.

    In the current election, it’s pretty obvious that the vast majority of those in power have aligned with one campaign. That may completely the fault of the opposing candidates, but it is nevertheless startling and unprecedented in our lifetime.

  18. Well, there certainly will be significant vote fraud by the Democrats (that’s why they oppose voter ID and other anti-fraud measures). But they’ll make a difference only in very close races (such as North Carolina and Indiana in 2008, and perhaps Florida in 2012), and those will only matter if the electoral map is close enough.

  19. Trump is right. There is a conspiracy to defeat him, a yuuge conspiracy encompassing over 50% of voters.

    1. 65+% of voters

  20. Trump is an asshat, as is ham beast, but there actually is massive voter fraud.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/…..-around-50

  21. We just got video PROOF of Leftist dark operatives rigging the Election
    https://youtu.be/hDc8PVCvfKs

    1. Yup…say what you will about O’Keefe, but those videos were absolutely damning of the Democrats.

  22. The really sad thing for me about this election is that libertarians had a real chance to make a difference here by going up against two hated candidates. But instead the Libertarian Party nominated a pothead who thinks that a 70 mile bike ride is a meaningful qualification for President and one of their most prominent publications has spent the election ignoring most of Hillary Clinton’s abuses, including two videos implicating members of her party in inciting violence at political opponents’ rallies and voter fraud. The “establishment” libertarians have proven that they have no more interest in changing the system than establishment liberals or conservatives do…they’re bitching merely to bitch and play the court jesters.

    Maybe it’s just time to say “screw third parties” and put our voices back into the two-party system so we can actually make our voices heard with one of the big parties. All sitting on the outside, pissing on the system from a considerable height of moral superiority, has done is give us a thoroughly corrupt government in which we have no voice. If libertarians are really the people of ideas and morality that should apply to everyone, maybe it’s time we jumped back into the system.

    Also, fuck Gary Johnson and his bike ride to nowhere.

  23. The rigging is from propaganda, not fraud. There will be some of that and most of it will be Democratic, but probably not enough to turn the election. The media propaganda however likely will. None of the media reports the facts anymore, all of the facts come with innuendo and insults for the side they are against. Even Reason succumbs to it sometimes.

  24. The fundimental problem is that more and more people are going to get screwed by government.
    It does not matter if that is 51% of voters or 30%.

    70% of us are not entitled to dictate how 30% of us live our lives.
    We are not a democracy.

    Though even that does not matter – because if 30% of citizens are really pissed at government then the legitimacy of government is in question.

    The nation will continue smoothly if 49.9% of the electorate would prefer a different choice.
    But in one form or another there will be a revolution is a sufficient minority of the electorate feel like they are getting screwed over. Not merely not getting their choice, but having their lives dictated by the rest.

    Trump leaves alot to be desired as the voice for that pent up anger – but we should not mistake the messenger for the message.

    The political left is in serious trouble. If they win this election it will be over the objections of large numbers of very angry people. It will be because they have the media in their pocket, it will be because Trump’s personal flaws are perceived as greater than Clinton’s authoritarianism.

    There is an overwhelming majority of people who would vote for “none of the above” for every office. Who would vote to throw the bums out.

    That is why the feeling that the election is rigged.

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  26. Liliana . if you think Lawrence `s blog is incredible, I just purchased a new Honda after earning $5741 this – 4 weeks past and also 10 grand lass month . it’s by-far the most-comfortable job I have ever done . I started this four months/ago and almost immediately began to make minimum $85… p/h .

    see this……………. http://www.BuzzNews10.com

  27. until I looked at the paycheck saying $4730 , I did not believe that…my… brother woz like actualy bringing in money part time from there computar. . there friend brother started doing this for less than 7 months and resently paid for the morgage on there home and bought a new Cadillac …….

    …….. http://www.jobprofit9.com

  28. Ellie . true that Susan `s blurb is good… I just purchased a gorgeous Fiat Panda sincee geting a check for $8891 this-last/4 weeks and also ten grand last-month . this is actually the most financialy rewarding Ive had . I started this 9-months ago and right away was bringin in at least $87, per-hour .

    see……………. http://www.BuzzNews10.com

  29. until I looked at the paycheck saying $4730 , I did not believe that…my… brother woz like actualy bringing in money part time from there computar. . there friend brother started doing this for less than 7 months and resently paid for the morgage on there home and bought a new Cadillac …….

    …….. http://www.jobprofit9.com

  30. Liliana . if you think Lawrence `s blog is incredible, I just purchased a new Honda after earning $5741 this – 4 weeks past and also 10 grand lass month . it’s by-far the most-comfortable job I have ever done . I started this four months/ago and almost immediately began to make minimum $85… p/h .

    see this……………. http://www.BuzzNews10.com

  31. until I looked at the paycheck saying $4730 , I did not believe that…my… brother woz like actualy bringing in money part time from there computar. . there friend brother started doing this for less than 7 months and resently paid for the morgage on there home and bought a new Cadillac …….

    …….. http://www.jobprofit9.com

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