Clinton Shows How She Manages to Be Less Trusted Than Trump
The Democratic nominee continues to minimize her email "mistake" and misrepresents what she said about the disadvantages of truth in politics.

During last night's presidential debate, Hillary Clinton bragged about her record during three decades in public life, but she neglected to mention what may be her most impressive accomplishment: She is mistrusted by more Americans than the legendary liar Donald Trump. Last night Clinton's handling of questions about her private email server and her private speeches showed how she managed that feat.
More than a year and a half after The New York Times broke the story of what FBI Director James Comey later called Clinton's "extremely careless" email practices as secretary of state, the Democratic presidential nominee has settled on a response that approximates what she should have been saying all along. "I made a mistake using a private email," Clinton said during her first debate with Donald Trump. "And if I had to do it over again, I would, obviously, do it differently. But I'm not going to make any excuses. It was a mistake, and I take responsibility for that." She said something very similar during last night's debate but then could not resist the urge to immediately minimize the significance of her mistake:
I think it's also important to point out where there are some misleading accusations from critics and others. After a year-long investigation, there is no evidence that anyone hacked the server I was using and there is no evidence that anyone can point to at all—anyone who says otherwise has no basis—that any classified material ended up in the wrong hands.
As Comey pointed out in July, the fact that the FBI did not find evidence of hacking does not mean it did not happen:
We did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton's personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton's use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton's personal e-mail account.
Whether or not classified material in Clinton's email (material she initially insisted was not there) actually "ended up in the wrong hands," she recklessly took that risk, violating State Department policy (and probably federal law) in the process. But as debate moderator Martha Raddatz pointed out to Clinton, "You disagreed with FBI Director James Comey, calling your handling of classified information, quote, 'extremely careless.'" If that's not the mistake Clinton is finally admitting, what is? As with Trump and his "locker room talk," it seems clear Clinton's only regret is that she got caught doing something that made her look bad.
The email scandal illustrates Clinton's tendency to pile lie upon lie instead of coming clean. She seems to be starting down that road with the excerpts from her closed-door speeches that Wikileaks revealed on Friday.
In a 2013 speech to the National Multifamily Housing Council, Clinton cited Secretary of State William Seward's backroom lobbying for the 13th Amendment, which included what historian Joshua Zeitz calls "the brazen use of patronage appointments to buy off the requisite number of lame duck Democratic congressmen." That episode was on Clinton's mind because she had recently seen the Steven Spielberg film Lincoln, and this is the lesson she drew from it:
Politics is like sausage being made. It is unsavory, and it always has been that way, but we usually end up where we need to be. But if everybody's watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So you need both a public and a private position.
Here is how Clinton described her remarks last night:
That was something I said about Abraham Lincoln after having seen the wonderful Steven Spielberg movie called Lincoln. It was a master class watching President Lincoln get the Congress to approve the 13th Amendment. It was principled, and it was strategic.
And I was making the point that it is hard sometimes to get the Congress to do what you want to do, and you have to keep working at it. And, yes, President Lincoln was trying to convince some people, he used some arguments, convincing other people, he used other arguments. That was a great—I thought a great display of presidential leadership.
Assuming the Wikileaks excerpts are accurate (and Clinton is not claiming they're not), that is a serious distortion of what Clinton actually said in her speech. She was not talking about tailoring your arguments to your audience; she was talking about bribing legislators with promises of lucrative jobs, which she argued was justified by the importance of getting Congress to approve the 13th Amendment. More generally, she said such tactics, although "unsavory," are both necessary and appropriate, although it is best to conceal them from the public, since otherwise people might "get a little nervous."
It is understandable that Clinton would prefer not to admit endorsing this Machiavellian view, especially given the broader implications of saying one thing publicly and another privately. But by pretending she did not say what she said, she only compounds the impression that she is slippery, two-faced, and untrustworthy.
Clinton has steadfastly refused to reveal the contents of her closed-door speeches, for which she was generally paid $225,000 each. The excerpts published by Wikileaks are from a 2016 internal campaign memo listing "the flags from HRC's paid speeches," meaning passages her operatives assumed would cause her trouble if they came to light. Now that it's happened, Clinton still has a choice about how to respond. An honest person would either defend or renounce her controversial private statements. A dishonest person would do what Clinton is doing.
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I'm guessing Trump must have done pretty well in the "debate" this time, since my news feed has very little about it.
My assumption too. All the proggies on FB have maintained complete radio silence, no coordinated spamming of the same articles which occurred after the previous debate.
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He more or less kicked her ass. He didn't let so many slow pitches get by him as last time.
Also he explicitly said that if he wins the election she will likely go to jail, that if he were president now she would already be in jail. I was astonished.
The AP is already hyperventilating over that quip because it is apparently really beyond the pale of political discourse and no candidate has ever "threatened" their opponent like that, ever!
But of course Hillary remarks about a drone strike on Julian Assange was just a joke - har de har har.
Nothing to see there, move along.
Yup, Obama never threatened to audit his enemies.
Yea he never threatened his opponents his opponents with an audit, he just audited them and skipped the whole threatening part.
I'm trying to keep myself composed and not yell at the top of my lungs: "He said that because she is, IN FACT, a goddamn criminal!"
I mean seriously, what the fuck is wrong with her supporters?
Look D-don't like either your candidate (HRC a distant second in lying)-and don't care much for HRC-two of the biggest flawed candidates-but to vote for this charlatan and con artist-anyone voting for this "mamaluke" is the lesser of the evil(s) and I mean evils. And anywat, what do working stiffs have in common with the Orange man? Nothing!!!!
Trump doesn't "lie", he is just an ignorant buffoon who constantly gets facts wrong and exaggerates.
Hillary, on the other hand, lies about her beliefs and future policies, something you can't easily fact check, but also something that is actually relevant to the election.
That's still better than a psychopathic wannabe dictator with political skills and connections, which is what Hillary is.
Consider, do we want presidents using government to prosecute their political opponents?
The answer is simply YES, when they break the law, and NO when they don't. How could it be otherwise? The thing is, it can't look like it was a prosecutor looking for a crime after the "criminal" is chosen by the president.
Like Rush Limbaugh said, the media has turned into a defender of the State, and prosecuting State employees and leaders isn't good for the establishment in their goal to keep citizens unaware and compliant.
When the MSM goes beserk because of this, it shows they are no longer on the side of truth and righteousness. They supported the Nixon impeachment (a Republican), but don't seem to support prosecuting Clinton for crimes they are happy to prosecute against others. The media is part of the State now.
instead,they're hammering on what he bragged about on tape 11 years ago. Talk,not actions.
it's diversion.
Why wouldn't she use that tactic? It's always worked well for the Clintons in the past, and appears to be working now.
The key word there is "seems" - she seems to be starting down that road. You can't actually pin her down, can you? She doesn't actually lie, like lie-lie, she just says things that are not quite true. Catch her with her hand in the cookie jar and she'll look you right in the eye and deny she's stealing cookies and she'd pass a lie-detector test on that. See, she breaks each cookie in half before she takes it out of the jar so she's technically stealing half-cookies. Like with Bill arguing that the truthfullness of his statement just depends on what the meaning of "is" is. You think you're going to get away with that shit when you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar? The Clintons have gotten away with it their whole lives.
She's a female George Costanza.
"Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, 'cause I've worked in a lot of offices and I tell you people do that all the time."
Yes, but George Costanza's friends had much lower rate of suicide.
Yeah... "suicide"
Drive-by suicide
Not to mention that the whole of elite society will then jump on YOU with both feet for accusing the smartest woman in the world of doing something so....plebeian as stealing cookies.
Wait, Hillary showed up at the Donald Trump event last night? I was watching the game and didn't see it but listening to the news this morning they haven't said a word about Hillary being there. I thought this was all about Trump and whether or not somebody that rude and crude and vulgar is fit to be elected President even if he were running against Richard Nixon's evil twin.
I watched the game also. We chose wisely
I had to throw a beer bottle at the screen when Chris Collinsworth mentioned for the 15th time how Saint Aaron had all day long to throw the ball and yet somehow couldn't seem to find an open receiver - like he couldn't make the connection between the two, like maybe all the guys who weren't pressuring the QB were covering the receivers? I'm pretty sure if the Giants had been endlessly blitzing and getting pressure on Aaron he would have found some open receivers - that's how math and the fact that you're only allowed to use 11 guys works, Chris.
Yeah, Collins is a jackass, I can't stand having him call the game.
Collinsworth
Chris goddamn Collinsworth. He must have some really grade-A blackmail photos to still be in the booth. He contributes dick of shit to the broadcast, unless you count making everyone else look that much more perceptive in comparison.
unless you count making everyone else look that much more perceptive in comparison.
Why do you think he's there? It's the only way to make Al Michaels seem thoughtful and intelligent.
I thought that was Phil Simms?
It's funny you say that, I think he's one of the best at calling NFL games around if not the best.
Opinions on color commentators are funny because people see things so differently.
You're obviously not a Giants fan. That's the difference.
Collinsworth's appeal is that he's not Phil Simms.
Wow, and I thought you were all talking about the butthurt the Jays put on the Rangers.
Rather be punched in May than knocked out in October!
I did see the AP mention Hillary, but only to condemn Trump's remarks about appointing a special prosecutor to look into her emails and corruption, because his "You'd be in jail" quip was beyond the pale of political discourse.
It breaks the "gentlemen's agreement" adhered to by most of the ruling elite.
They have to focus on something other than the actual points made during the debate. I've also heard a lot this morning about how Trump was sniffing again, so I guess Canklesaurus didn't do very well this time.
You guys can laugh about last night all you want. But somebody should really be gently tapping on Chapman's and Dalmia's doors to make sure they're both ok this morning.
I didn't read the twits because I cant understand how that works, but I did see where Shikha complained about Donalds sniffing. Apparently he sniffs when he is angry. I thought he kept a lid on it pretty well.
They are apparently going to make the sniffing a story in order to avoid talking about what he actually had to say during the debate, I'm guessing because it would make Hillary look bad to discuss any actual substance.
I'm guessing because it would make Hillary look bad to discuss any actual substance.
I think it's more likely that there is no actual substance to discuss, but that's just a guess. I was watching football instead and feel much saner for it.
Criminal Hillary is just as crude and vulgar,but the leftist media covers for her,they'll never expose her for what she truly is. Remember,she's the one who laughed when she got a rapist of a 12 yr old freed. She's the one who slandered and terrorized the rape victims of her husband.
"I think it's also important to point out where there are some misleading accusations from critics and others. After a year-long investigation, there is no evidence that anyone hacked the server I was using and there is no evidence that anyone can point to at all?anyone who says otherwise has no basis?that any classified material ended up in the wrong hands."
I believe the ghost of a recently executed Iranian nuclear physicist who was working as a spy for the State Department may disagree with that assertion. Just a hunch.
What difference at this point does it make?
It's watercorpses under the bridge.
I watched the first 20 minutes on Youtube. OMG (can I say that here?) that brief camera shot of the contrite Bill Clinton was just priceless.
She deleted her emails about her Boeuf Bourginion recipe and the mysteries of the Shavasana position. Throw the bitch in jail.
Lying little liar lies. Just keep pretending you are unaware that the FBI did in fact find plenty of classified emails and that there would be no reason to delete and Bleachbit purely personal things like recipes, assnugget.
Do you think that woman has cooked a meal herself in the last 25 years?
All of her recipes are identical: tell taxpayer-provided chef to cook what I want.
And submit it to her personal taster first.
It would be like the scene in Bananas where the president has a taste tester who dies of poisoning but the president still eats the food with no effect because he has built up a tolerance.
I'm not sure why you are here really. I mean I know you said you are a "libertarian" and all but seriously. Do you really think anyone is going to come around to your gulag filled world view if you lie and distort in such transparent ways?
AmSoc said he's a libertarian!? Get the fuck out! I'd hate to be standing next to him in an open field the next time he claims to be a libertarian.
Yes, he's actually claimed in the past to be a "libertarian socialist" whatever the fuck that is. And to think, I thought Tony suffered from cognitive dissonance.
He actually claimed to be a full blown libertarian a couple weeks ago.
Socialists lie. People die.
No. According to Huma Abadin Hillary is a technical klutz around computer equipment and didn't know how delete her emails. I don't know how to fully delete my emails either. In fact, I don't want to, even if I could.
Email is 'for the record' in modern business. Text or use voice if don't want that.
Yes and Hillary just couldn't be expected to know anything about the laws and regulations about handling classified information as if she had just fallen off of the turnip truck when she became Secretary of State instead of being a United States Senator who was on the Armed Services committee.
She actually told the FBI she couldn't remember being briefed because of her concussion.
And it would just be impossible to get caught up on the rules later.
Yeah right.
Yes, I know. She acts like every person I know when confronted by idiotic rules placed on workforce emails. She attempts to circumvent them. I sometimes access my gmail account at work. I'm bad and should never be placed in front of a computer terminal ever again.
Totally the same thing as deliberately circumventing security protocols and compromising national security and intelligence assets as Sec State in order to hide your pay for play corruption from public view!
I'm convinced! Thanks assnugget!
You do realize that every time you respond to it all it sees is "WHO WANTS CAKE?!"
You have a gross misunderstanding of email, am. For the last 10 years or so most of my contracts have delivered and signed through email. Wet ink signatures are rare.
Email is very serious. Like I said, email is 'for the record'.
Government transparency is idiotic? Tell us again about how you're the One True Libertarian around here.
Do you host your entire work e-mail account on g-mail?
Tell us again about how you're the One True Libertarian around here.
For my money the more "fun" Am Soc story is the one about it "ran the blockade" to visit Cuba and then went around preaching the socialist gospel to Cubans about how great they all have it down there. That one's good for a laugh every time.
Do you host your entire work e-mail account on g-mail?
Read again. acts like every person I know when confronted by idiotic rules placed on workforce emails
am doesn't have a job, he's just heard about this thing called "work email" from the people he bums off of.
Good point. He did admit that he gets his economic views from his pizza delivering friend.
She acts like every person I know when confronted by idiotic rules placed on workforce emails
Funny, an E-3 with a high school diploma doesn't seem to have any trouble following those rules. Nor thousands of government employees and contractors.
Guess they're all more qualified to be President than Hillo-bitch.
I train a lot of those E-3s on handling classified materials, and one of the big takeaways from each class is that YOU WILL GO TO JAIL if you fuck it up.
I sometimes access my gmail account at work.
Does it have Confidential or Top Secret information on it?
amsoc is either being willfully clueless or is a fucking idiot.
I work in the private, non-defense contractor sector now. My company has an Outlook setup which is relatively locked-down. I have personal e-mail (Yahoo). I freely view and respond to the personal e-mail in the web interface. The work-related stuff stays completely in Outlook. All the Outlook stuff is archived.
When I worked for a defense contractor, the unclassified e-mail system was a very locked-down Outlook setup. It was available to send work-related messages to external customers/vendors or very trivial personal messages. It also was never, ever, ever supposed to have anything classified on it. There was no classified e-mail system. The IT department blanket blocked the mail-related domains of all the major (and most minor) e-mail web clients (while allowing - filtered - actual messages from those domains). All of it was archived.
In actual fact, modern businesses often retain E-mails only for a limited amount of time and automatically delete them irretrievably.
AmSoc completely ignores the comment above mentioning the Iranian nuclear scientist killed in all likelihood because the Iranians found out about him through Hillary's private email (I still think the attack on Benghazi was an Assad operation based in intel he received because of her private email) and repeats her lies about yoga class and recipes.
I don't know about the rest of y'all but I am sold.
Obstruction of justice is a crime, amsuck. Note it.
AS IF Criminal Hillary has cooked ANY meals,or did yoga,in the last 30 years. The Witch has no recipes.
30,000 + emails,of "personal" matters? BS. Besides,the FBI recovered dozens of those emails that DID have gov't business on them,so she's clearly in violation of record retention laws,the REQUIRE she be disqualified from ANY gov't position. there are emails proving she INTENDED to circumvent FOIA law,another felony. There are emails containing classified material,for which NO proof of intent is needed for conviction.
I'm beginning to see why you guys bitch about rape allegations. When they come from credible sources like these (I Want to Believe, but Can't) I see your point.
Yeah, we all know Bill Clinton's victims are just lying liars, every single one of them, nothing to see here, even the ones the Clinton's paid off and lost lawsuits to. Because that's just what women do, amirite?
I'm thinking of a word when I see Paula Jones' visage on TV. Let's see... What is it? Oh yeah, lumpenproletariat. You see, Marx is sometimes good for the perfect descriptor.
Yes, Paula Jones deserved to be sexually harassed by Billy boy, because she is just one of the lower-class masses, who should be honored to have drawn the attention of the elite!
You really are a vile little piece of shit.
What sexual harassment?
This one, moron. The one the Clintons actually settled for $850,000, even though they are such money-grubbers they listed donated used underwear as a tax deduction.
Did Clinton take a deduction for sperm donation? (see: dress,blue)
According to Hillary rape accusers deserved to be believed. Unless they accuse a Clinton?
Which is it AmSoc? Believe them or don't believe them?
It depends. does the accused have a "D" after their name?
Re: American Stultified,
So, women's harassment or rape allegations should not be believed without question. Ah.
He said it here, folks!
I never said they should. Why are the only harassment accusations that are believed without question the ones made by Paula jones or Juannita Broadrrick? P over P?
Maybe it's related to the number of victims? Or the convenience of the timing?
I don't hear you screaming WHY DONT YOU PEOPLE JUST LEAVE BILL COSBY ALONE? HE'S JUST THE BEST BLACK MAN EVAH! WHY DOES EVERYONE AUTOMATICALLY BELIEVE HIS ACCUSERS? ISN'T HE AT LEAST AS AWESOME AS BILL CLINTON?
And the fact that you can only see the hypocrisy from one biased side says more than you're trying to.
Pointing out the Bill Clinton double standard is acknowledging the hypocrisy.
Coming to Bill Clinton's aid some 20 years later? That's just keeping the hypocrisy rolling.
WHO WANTS CAKE?!
As Hillary Clinton says: Every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed, and supported.
YouTube: Juanita Broaddrick Relives Bill Clinton Rape & Hillary Intimidation
Again, Reason's top-notch commenting system screws up the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHh73fkDUIs
but I bet you were quick to believe Cosby's rape accusers.
Politics is nothing like sausage. Sausage turns garbage into something better than the best pork tenderloin, and youre throwing away less of the pig you killed. And makng it is so, so,so suggestive. There's literally nothing not to like.
Sausage makes you believe people who don't eat pork are... what's the politically correct way of putting it? Ah, yes. Idiotically ideological.
I made sausage when I was a teenager. Watching politics being made, sausage making is a much cleaner process.
I'm sure you made your sausage of selected ground meat, and used a sterile process to do so.
To be fair, the saying was written about pre-health inspection factories, where everything that wasn't bone went in, and none to cleanly. See Upton Sinclair.
I've always found that saying about not wanting to know how the sausage is made kinda weird. I mean, I've made sausage. If you've made hamburger, it's pretty much just that and another step or two. Not wanting to know how the pig gets slaughtered, maybe that would be a thing, but making sausage is just putting ground meat into a condom.
Yup, that's exactly what its like, but they're both almost endless, so that's something.
I didn't watch the debate, nor will I torture myself by viewing it on Youtube; but did Hillary really look like a barely warmed over corpse in the screenshot above?
And the makeup looks lousy too.
Why should she look different than any other day!
Flies are laying eggs on her. So, in short, the answer is yes.
I thought it a bit peculiar that the candidates didn't shake hands at the outset of the debate. Mitt Romney, George Bush, and John McCain would have extended their hand to Hillary. But Trump is hard-core alpha.
What is the etiquette on that? (yeah, I know, hardy har har). Is a man supposed to offer his hand first, or is it the woman's choice whether or not to do so?
wiki didn't provide an answer, just says that men are more likely than women to shake hands in casual situations.
but I thought this was interesting.
based on that, I would guess Trump didn't want to shake her hand because he'd puke when he sniffed his hand afterwards.
They did shake hands after the debate though (I can't decide when would be more awkward to shake - after a mudfest like that or before knowing that it's coming), and it looked like Trump was the one to extend his hand first. I noticed he did not shake hands with the moderators, unlike the first debate.
and the media will cover FOR Clinton once again. Instead of covering her corruption we get to hear all about how Donald Trump said "pussy" back when he was a Democrat.
The fly knows who the lord of darkness supports, that's all I'm sayin'. *puts on tinfoil and makes sign of cross
Flies always land on shit!
I think the audience's reaction to Trump's comment that Clinton should be in jail neutered the rest of the evening for her. Also, having Willey, Jones, etc sitting in that room staring at her couldn't have made things very easy.
Also, at the very end, that Clinton could only come up with "I like your children" as a positive remark about Trump was pretty lame. Trump, to his credit, acknowledged that Clinton is tenacious; a legitimate quality.
Clinton 1, Trump 1.
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Is Trump so slow on the draw that he couldn't come up with what EVERYONE was thinking right off the bat: "Hillary, you're no Abraham Lincoln."
One wonders just which of her legislative initiatives rise to the magnitude of those with which Lincoln grappled?
The Wicked Witch Hillary already has HALF A MILLION notches on her broomstick, from Iraq alone. Not to mention Libya and Kosovo/Serbia..
Remember (how might anyone forget) those demonic sanctions on Iraq? The bombing, burning, starving and disease which resulted in the 'premature' deaths of HALF A MILLION children. All based on lies and we now know Hillary and Co. knew this the entire time..
Who could ever forget the Witch Mad Maddie Albright's "we think it's worth it" quip? Not me.
President Bill Clinton, co-President Hillary, Mad Maddie Albright and Al Gore killed those children(and women) as sure as Hell is hot and now Hillary and Co. have their demonic gun sights set on a million Iranian and Russian children.
STOP HER BEFORE SHE KILLS AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN.....
As the character Dryden told TE Lawrence in David Lean's Lawrence of Arabia, a person who tells lies hides the truth, one who tells half lies has forgotten where he put the truth.
Clinton doesn't even know what the concept of truth is.
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"taking full responsibility" means you RESIGN or take the usual punishment (in this case,prison),not just "business as usual".
Saying "I'm sorry" doesn't cut it,especially since she doesn't really mean it.
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