Reason Tweets the First 2016 Presidential Debate

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump face off on CNN

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90 minutes. No commercial breaks. No third-parties. Reason staffers will do our best to help you though it.

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[Fist of Etiquette]

NO FAINTING NO COUGHING NO BEING AWESOME

[AlmightyJB]

Odds on Hillary having an "issue".

[DOOMco]

Under over is 47 minutes.

[Suell]

"We need to break for technical difficulties..."

[DOOMco]

Here are 4 ads from hillary PAC's.

[Hyperion]

50/50. She has a massive army of top ranking medics trying to keep her from keeling over. She's probably shot full of every substance ever created by mankind, right now.

Shouldn't that be called 'doping'? And shouldn't there be outrage?

[Atanarjuat]

Remember when she took so long peeing in the Dem debates she was absent after a commercial break?

[Ted S.]

No. I couldn't be bothered to watch the Democratic debates.

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[Hyperion]

I need a beer.

[Atanarjuat]

Ditto. That would hit the spot. Luckily I do have some Smirnoff.

[Hyperion]

And I have a beer. And the wife has a pretty large collection of Vino if it should come to that.

[Ted S.]

I hope it's good wine, and not foofy lady stuff like white zin or Chardonnay.

[Krabappel]

I'm trying this perry from Eric Bordelet (Normandy). It's pretty good but disappointingly only 3.5% alcohol. Too sweet for me, too.

[DOOMco]

CAGE MATCH

[JWatts]

One could wish.

[Suell]

Second Sierra Nevada cracked. What are the odds that anything actually interesting happens here?

[Hyperion]

Hillary may fall over or start coughing. Besides, that, pretty much zero.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Wouldn't it be cool if Trump came out with Gabbo?

[Karl Hungus]

(Posted this the other day, but it seems appropriate tonight to re-post)

Moderator Lester Holt: Secretary Clinton, how do you feel your many, many years of valiant, dedicated government service have prepared you to serve as president of this deeply grateful nation? Followup question, do you feel, as many of us do, that in this instance, an actual election is simply a needless formality?

Clinton: Well Lester, as you know, when I singlehandedly liberated Libya from--

[camera flash goes off in audience; Trump operative seen making hasty exit from venue]

Clinton: I was able to . . . you know . . . Benghazi was . . . when the . . . Gadaffi's check didn't clear . . . SALAD SPOON!!!

[eyes roll back, postural tone disappears, drops to floor like 200-pound bag of potatoes, bladder and bowels release explosively epic grand mal seizure commences]

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

I liked it, Hungus.

[Col. Chestbridge]

MOST IMPORTANT DEBATE OF OUR LIFETIME

[Sanjuro Tsubaki]

I'm too good for this lifetime.

[Sanjuro Tsubaki]

...and so are you, and that's not saying much.

[PurityDiluting]

MSM makes it sound like a historic human achievement to stand for 90 whole minutes without a break

[Hyperion]

Yeah, no one has ever done that before and survived. How long was that Rand Paul filibuster?

[Rhywun]

Get off my lawn

[SugarFree]

They let Bill near Melania?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Stop being boring, Lester. GIVE US TRUMP.

[Jerryskids]

Saints/Falcons looking like a pretty good game.

[Hyperion]

Let me make a pre-prognostication. Both teams good offense, both teams no defense. Atlanta 40, Saints 35.

[True Scottsman]

A Trump win?

[DOOMco]

Knob rye. Next up might be Bushmills black. Who knows?!

[Rufus The Monocled]

Hillary in red. Interesting.

Like someone we know who lives in hell.

[Hyperion]

Red Chairman Mao pantsuit I'm guessing? Very fitting.

[Rufus The Monocled]

She went full red socialist off the bat.

Coincidence?

[Karl Hungus]

Very fitting

If so, then she's got a helluva good tailor. Fitting a Mao suit for someone built like a 200-pound sack of potatoes has got to be a pretty tall order.

[Ted S.]

You can do amazing things with spandex.

[Ted S.]

Tulpa?

[DesigNate]

I could see Clinton being Tulpa.

[SugarFree]

Non-partisan as long as you are GOP or Dem, Lester.

[juris imprudent]

I wish I had been able to smack him when he said that.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Crappy first question.

[thrakkorzog]

"So the economy is doing great, except for income inequality. How much do we need to raise taxes on the rich to to fix it."

[Hyperion]

All the way.

[SusanM]

She's stoned off her gourd.

[Hyperion]

LOL. What do you think being shot up with gallons of drugs and embalming fluid will do?

[SusanM]

Do a wicked Ben Carson impression?

[Hyperion]

Carson is actually intelligent albeit a little goofy.

[SusanM]

He's no brain sur-...oh...

[SugarFree]

A little goofy? Pyramids are grain silos?

[John]

He got close to a perfect score on his SAT, despite being a delinquent who never bothered to go to class. Compared to Carson, you are like one of those chimps they teach sign language. But yeah, he is a bit goofy.

[SugarFree]

Carson is for Trump, so John thinks he's a genius. What a shock.

[CZmacure]

Carson is for Trump, so John thinks he's a genius. What a shock.

Maybe he thinks he's a genius because he has displayed significant intelligence in the realms people display intelligence in?

[John]

She needs a row of have drunk Jack Daniels bottles behind her to complete the effect

http://images.sfae.com/product.....w/1105.jpg

[Atanarjuat]

Her pauses sound really unnatural.

[Mr Drew]

That threw me too. I think she is pausing for applause. Of course Lester asked the audience to hold applause, which they will until someone gets in a good line.

[Fist of Etiquette]

HILLARY'S EYES! THEY'RE FOLLOWING ME AROUND THE ROOM.

[SugarFree]

Hillary is blinking a lot. I wonder what that means. Leprosy? Face AIDS?

[Ted S.]

You blink more when you're lying.

[SugarFree]

And she keeps blinking even while not talking.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

Sounds legit.

[SugarFree]

Never question my science.

[That's A Bingo!]

Don't bring up "struggling to balance," Hillary.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Oh fuck off. Democrats, progressives and the left loathe small business. Always did; always will. Because narratives.

[Crusty Juggler]

Is that the Kool Aid Man?

Ohhhh yeah!

[Rufus The Monocled]

Hillary promises everything and rich people are gonna pay for it all.

Psycho.

[DOOMco]

No cell phones

[Rufus The Monocled]

Mexico!

When is he gonna bad mouth Canada?

/waves arms wildly.

[JWatts]

He's only talking about the important countries Rufus. 😉

[John]

No one likes to pick on the little brother. Sorry Rufus.

[Bill]

Nobody puts Baby in a corner!

[Fist of Etiquette]

He's all for hats, and that includes America's.

[PurityDiluting]

the panderfest begins in the opening minute

[Crusty Juggler]

"Trump pretending to be interested face" is beyond funny.

[SugarFree]

They both look terrible, really. Trump is less orange, but their necks both look like a bag of maggots.

[Atanarjuat]

Someone make this man Poet Laureate.

[thrakkorzog]

Naw, if anyone around her deserves the poet laureate gig it's Agile Cyborg.

[Crusty Juggler]

That split screen is so funny and depressing.

[That's A Bingo!]

I keep thinking, "This is really happening, huh? Came down to this..."

[thrakkorzog]

Hmm, Trump keeps switching between resting bitch face, duck face and licking his lips when Hillary is talking.

[Atanarjuat]

so fucking accurate

[The Fusionist]

Johnson needs to bump that Lincoln video - right now it's on top and distracting from his rebuttal tweets.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Already I can see the country is hindered from the lack of nervous energy and incoherent answers from a certain third party candidate absent from this stage.

[Crusty Juggler]

*sticks tongue out at Fist*

[Rufus The Monocled]

I will build a REAL FIELD OF DREAMS!

[Ted S.]

Terrible movie.

[Suthenboy]

Huh. I wonder if Trump knows the questions ahead of time also? Hillary clearly scripted.

[liechecker]

A decent politician (not Gary Johnson) practices likely questions beforehand, and that one was pretty obvious.

[John]

Hillary seems conscious. Who says modern medicine can't work miracles.

[Crusty Juggler]

Holt is doing an amazing job so far!

[Quincy.]

"Carrier Hair Conditioning" I now know why he is so upset.

[Rufus The Monocled]

CCCP.

One of the C's stands for Clinton.

[Joe M]

Okay, trumped up trickle down was semi-clever. I'm sure Hillary didn't think of it.

[SugarFree]

Load father job ancedote. Execute.

[liechecker]

Right, Hillary. You're self-made, didn't just get lucky with her relatives at all.

[commodious the plorable]

Nor some very specific commodities-related advice.

[Hyperion]

She's lucky she blew the Willy.

[PurityDiluting]

bet that's the first time he's ever heard trumped up

[Atanarjuat]

Trump: hot chicks in his family, drastic cut to corporate taxes... Plus a bunch of stuff I don't like. Meh

[Hyperion]

Thanks to those of you actually watching this, your sacrifice is great indeed.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Lester asks for specifics from Donald.

Not so much for Hillary about how she's gonna go after the rich without hurting REAL INVESTMENT.

[John]

The message from every Democratic candidate I have seen this year has boiled down to "my opponent doesn't hate guns and corporations as much as I do". Hillary seems to be no different.

[John]

I don't often perceive these things like everyone else. So tell me if I am out in left field on this. But my God does Hillary sound like a nag school marm. Jesus, her tone is forever accusatory and lecturing and not in a good way.

[Hyperion]

She's always like that. And shreeky and hoarse.

[John]

I find Obama grating but I can understand why some people like him. There is no way anyone enjoys listening Hillary. Its just awful.

[juris imprudent]

The caricature of the mother-in-law; though I got lucky twice - both completely ran against that type.

[John]

I have a really nice mother law. Thank God.

[Crusty Juggler]

"Trump'd up, trickle down" is how Winston's mom describes her sex life.

[Joe M]

Squeegee production in America is down 90% in the last decade. I will bring the squeegees home!

[Fist of Etiquette]

I have the sound muted. I'm going to judge this thing on body language alone.

[Joe M]

Hillary's definitely doped up like crazy.

[Ken Shultz]

I was trying to listen to it.

It was making me feel nauseated.

[juris imprudent]

My wife and I realized we didn't have enough alcohol in the house to go the full 90.

[JWatts]

I want you to be very happy.

[Crusty Juggler]

"Seriously, so many huge billions."

[DOOMco]

Well, the pandering right out the gate.

[commodious the plorable]

We are twenty... million... dollars, Lester.

[Brochettaward]

Lester Holt trying to fact-check Trump. Let's platitudic non-answers from Hillary slide.

[Ken Shultz]

Is Lester Holt arguing with Trump already?

[Brochettaward]

Great Recession was about tax cuts.

Can we fact-check that one?

[liechecker]

Sorry, I only have one setting.

[GILMORE?]

Who claimed that?

[Brochettaward]

Hillary. She started off talking about it and said it was caused by tax cuts like the ones Trump wants.

[GILMORE?]

Did she get "Fact Checked"?

Has the whole levered-"mortgage-backed-securities"-bubble thing just been thrown down a memory hole?

[liechecker]

Bush tax cuts caused the 2007 crash?

[Hyperion]

Poor progs still don't realize the Bush tax cuts benefited the lowest income brackets the most.

[Crusty Juggler]

How soon until a boog runs down Trump's nose?

[John]

I don't think anyone is going to buy the Obama "things were so bad and I saved you line". And he won't but it would be nice if Trump would point out not a single person from Wall Street was ever prosecuted by Obama for the banking collapse.

[Col. Chestbridge]

"Allow me to pretend to understand economics for a moment, Lester."

[Rufus The Monocled]

Elizabeth Warren bought foreclosed homes and sold them at a profit.

Just saying.

[Tonio]

Gentlemen, this is surely a drug-fueled, SugarFree written fever dream.

[John]

It better not be because if it ends, the dream ends with them having a grudge fuck on the stage. And no one wants that. Really, no one wants that.

[Rhywun]

I'm glad I just finished dinner.

[SugarFree]

Eh. Someone would have burst into a squirming pillar of grey-pink intestine-tcles by now.

[Fist of Etiquette]

They took Trump off the screen there for a second after he reached under the podium. Was he pulling out a strobe light or air horn?

[Joe M]

Hahaha "on the precipice of a much better economy"? Not where I expected that sentence to go.

[Dark Lord of the cis]

"On the precipice of a prepuce".

[Rufus The Monocled]

I would challenge her assertion her party saved the economy bull.

[SugarFree]

Trump took a drink of water! Let's make jokes about it for the next four years! Colbert, go!

[Crusty Juggler]

Oh no, it will be on the sniffles. Trump sniffles. Laughs for days.

[commodious the plorable]

A Democrat shedding tears for the national debt. Eight years into the Obama economy. Really.

[Pay up, Palin's Buttplug!]

Lester: How do you bring the jobs back. Trump: You don't let them leave?

Clinton: I agree? that's why I propose building a wall to keep them in.

[DOOMco]

OK, who wants to play BC2?

[liechecker]

Umm, Lester, I think you should be following up with Hilldog here....

[Brochettaward]

Trump is too incompetent to say it, but someone really ought to point out how the economic policy geared by the Fed the last 8 years is a top down system that benefits the wealthy. It's real trickle down economics.

[John]

I would love him to say that, but I don't think the public is smart enough to understand it. It would go right over their heads.

[SimonD]

Exactly, except it's trickle-down without the trickle.

[SimonD]

Personally I appreciated the dissonance of Hillary discussing about how money should be earned 'by making things rather than by financial transactions.' during the Dems' ZIRP debacle.

[Joe M]

10 million new jobs are incompatible with a huge increase in the minimum wage.

[DOOMco]

OH GOD NOOOO

[Crusty Juggler]

Clean energy! YES! Fracking for everyone!

[Crusty Juggler]

More nuclear!

[Ken Shultz]

All Trump has to do is not come across as crazy and obnoxious to win.

He's doing okay so far.

Everyone already hates Hillary naturally.

[Rebel Scum]

Both of these people want to do a lot of grandiose things that are not in the legitimate purview/authority of the federal gov't, let alone the president.

This...well, it's expected, I suppose.

[Rufus The Monocled]

30 years!

Hillary thinks a lot.

[liechecker]

Hillary is going to bring back 1990s economic policy? Awesome.

[Col. Chestbridge]

Hey, those coattails aren't gonna ride themselves.

[Ted S.]

So she wants to be a bridge to the past?

[SimonD]

My comment disappeared, we'll try it again.

So Hillary wants to slow the growth of government spending, promote trade, and end welfare as we know it?

Cool, I'm in.

It's a shame it's complete horseshit.

[Fist of Etiquette]

AND SO IT BEGINS IN EARNEST.

[(VERY VIP), Jr.]

She's just endorsed NAFTA.

[Ken Shultz]

Hillary is a lying sack of shit who took money from foreign governments while she was the Secretary of State.

I'm just sayin'.

[SimonD]

Let's be fair.

Hillary is a lying sack of shit whose family took money from foreign governments while she was Secretary of State.

(fixed it)

[Tonio]

I want to scrape my eye sockets out with a grapefruit spoon.

[Hyperion]

I told you not to watch that shit, Tonio. Well, not you alone, just everyone. But thank you for your sacrifice and please, don't do it.

[SugarFree]

That's just a Chinese hoax, Tonio.

[Rhywun]

What about your ears?

[Tonio]

Paging Harlan Ellison...

[juris imprudent]

To the pain!

[liechecker]

Special prosecutor for trade deals? Come again?

[SimonD]

Yeah, I LOL'd at Mrs. Clinton using the phrase 'special prosecutor' with a straight face. She really is brazen, isn't she?

[Joe M]

Bill Clinton's economic policy ideas were way more conservative than anything either of these idiots have on offer.

[SugarFree]

It is really hurting Hillary to smile. She just wants to scream and go after him with claws and teeth.

Donald needs to stop making a "sucking on a lemon" face.

[(VERY VIP), Jr.]

"Why are my teeth showing like that?"

[SugarFree]

"My teeth are cold."

[(VERY VIP), Jr.]

"You go to any battleground swing-state, you'll see how bad NAFTA was!"

[Joe M]

LMAO

[Brochettaward]

Trump was low energy to start. Now he's feeling it.

Things getting hotter than usual. Hopefully he calls her a cunt by the end of this.

[Hyperion]

If he calls her a cunt, he's my hero, and I will vote for him.

[John]

IF he called her a cunt, he would win all fifty states.

[Ken Shultz]

Trump needs pistol packin' Soccer Moms in Cincinnati and Pittsburgh.

Don't call her that.

[John]

Yes. That is why the Democrats were always so terrified of Palin. Palin as a woman could have beat Hillary down in ways no man could have gotten away with doing.

[Rufus The Monocled]

He bad mouths NAFTA!

I'll take it as a knock against Canada!

[John]

We are only going to kick Mexico out. Trump is against foreign trade Rufus.

[Rufus The Monocled]

I'm curious to know if that 16% tax he talked about applies in Canada/USA trade policies.

[John]

I honestly don't know. I was just giving you a hard time. There is no way it could. That would be economic suicide.

[liechecker]

Uh oh Hillary's smirking, that means she doesn't know what to say.

[John]

Trump is coming across too strong. I can read the "he was so angry and mean" stories right now.

[Joe M]

Trump's starting to overplay his pushy asshole routine. The last thing he wants to do is railroad over Hillary and make her look sympathetic.

[Rufus The Monocled]

He's a mongoose to the snake! Or is it the snake to a mongoose?

[(VERY VIP), Jr.]

Donald pressing forward.

[Rhywun]

Lean in, Hillary.

[Sanjuro Tsubaki]

Donald's just depressing. Hillary isn't doing too awful. Wish she'd melt, but expectations are so low that she'll pull this off.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

She's rattled.

[Brochettaward]

This. People don't like Hillary. I don't think he'll make her sympathetic. He had her rattled and off her game badly. She can only fall back on talking points from her prep.

[Atanarjuat]

He's a reality TV star in his element. He doesn't even sound well prepared, but is completely controlling the pace.

[Sanjuro Tsubaki]

The MSM orchestrated Hillary charm offensive really really really begins now. You like Hillary. Everyone likes Hillary. Hillary Rodham Clinton is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.

[Crusty Juggler]

She will appoint a special prosecutor? Oh. Em. Gee.

[liechecker]

Ken Starr's going to go after Xi Jinping's blowjob intern....

[Ted S.]

Donald Trump marries his blow job interns.

[BigT]

"She will appoint a special prosecutor? "

Mis-spoke. She meant I'm afraid of a special prosecutor.

[Ken Shultz]

Hillary is a lying sack of shithead.

I'm being obnoxious so Trump doesn't have to.

But Hillary really is a lying sack of shithead.

[Rebel Scum]

Oh shit. This is gonna be a bloodbath.

[liechecker]

She wrote a book that nobody bought about it....

[JWatts]

Hillary did say the TPP was the gold standard for trade deals.

[NYC2AZ]

I can't believe she just plugged her book.

[SugarFree]

Srsly. What is she, a Reason editor?

[thrakkorzog]

Did Hillary just say she wants a special prosecutor for trade agreement violations? Because I can think of one really tenacious guy she could appoint. Let's just say his name rhymes with Ben Shmarnes.

[Atanarjuat]

"Someone, anyone, buy my book. It's at an airport!"

[thrakkorzog]

I thought they pulled that off the shelves after the standees caused book store employees to go shooting sprees.

[Rufus The Monocled]

She's not deviating from the talking points and buzz words.

[DOOMco]

It's pretty obvious

[John]

What the fuck is fair growth? I would give anything for Trump to ask her if that means growth that benefits donors to the Clinton Foundation.

[That's A Bingo!]

Appealing to authority isn't going to work, Hillary. "Experts say my plan is better" -- It's an anti-elite, anti-authority election.

Trump could be handling this better.

[John]

I don't think telling the country everything is good is going to work either.

[Atanarjuat]

So is Trump going to be seen as bullying?

[Rhywun]

Trump could roll around on his back swatting a feather and be seen as bullying.

[SugarFree]

Not by anyone who doesn't already think it.

[liechecker]

Haha, Hillary demands the last word and Holt gives it to her.

[The Fusionist]

Heck with this, I thought I could handle this shit.

This is what Johnson wanted to get into?

[SusanM]

"Bigly"?!

[Crusty Juggler]

Big league.

New York values.

[Ken Shultz]

God damn it, I turned the sound up, heard Hillary, and now it feels like I'm gonna barf again.

Just looking at her face makes me hope she loses.

It's like I want to look at the screen, but every time I do, her face is there, and I feel like I'm gonna spew again.

[creech]

Twenty minutes in and I haven't been promised enough free shit yet to sell my vote. If the college kids get free tuition, I want free Amtrak and a 20% boost in my social security check. Wouldn't be able to handle the hookers and don't want the blow.

[arbitrary wavefunction]

YAY THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FACT CHECKERS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS KOSHER

[Rufus The Monocled]

We have to move along. Okay go ahead Hilary.

[Atanarjuat]

Sweet, raising taxes. That's what we need.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Not on you. Someone else.

[DOOMco]

anyone else

[liechecker]

I gotta say, I really hate this style. The double screen with both of them talking over each other. And then they fight over the last word.

[Brochettaward]

Lester Holt is talking over a black man and a woman.

Slate and Salon's article tomorrow.

[Brochettaward]

*Trump is talking over a black man and a woman.

[BigT]

Trump 2016!!

[Rufus The Monocled]

This is getting out of control!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

This class warfare shit isn't going to work.

[PurityDiluting]

I love the Commentariat!

[(VERY VIP), Jr.]

Trump's base: "FUCK YEAH!"

[Ken Shultz]

She's campaigning on raising taxes as the means to prosperity AND she took money from foreign governments while she was the Secretary of State.

[Joe M]

My four-year-old son would vote for Trump because he has a really good suit.

[arbitrary wavefunction]

Trump ties are the best. Very very excellent ties. There aren't any better ties. Nobody else can make ties like that.

[Fist of Etiquette]

In all honesty I'm distracted by that knot job. Terrible.

[arbitrary wavefunction]

You'd think a billionaire would know how to have a decent dimple.

[GILMORE?]

AND THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT

(*i can not confirm if he's actually wearing a nice suit. i just support the young man's reasoning)

[Rebel Scum]

She may actually push the "I'm gonna tax/regulate your business out of existence" line too far.

[John]

You have to give her credit, this might be the first time in 25 years of public life she has been truthful about anything.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Did Hillary ask for someone to fat-check this? Because right now I'm calculating candidate BMI's and she's not going to like the result.

[Crusty Juggler]

"Fighting ISIS you're entire adult life."

I have no idea.

[Crusty Juggler]

*your*

[Joe M]

Over-correcting the other way; I hate when that happens.

[Brochettaward]

That was crazy drunk uncle Trump at nearly his incoherent worst.

[Joe M]

Wow I'm loving the repatriation arguments.

[Cyto]

So I couldn't bring myself to actually watch the debate. I tried. I put on CNN because Xfinity advertised it on the guide so all I had to do was push the button when it popped up.

They spent the pre-game stumping for Hillary. The entire slant was from a team Hillary point of view. I lasted about 5 minutes.

We have it recording. Maybe I'll try again in a little while.

But what I came to say was that the HnR thread is crazy, obnoxious and goofy. And so far the HnR rabble is still better than the Reason live tweet. WTF Reason? I expect a lot better from the biggest name in Libertarian thought.

[Hyperion]

I expect a lot better from the biggest name in Libertarian thought

But you already said the commentariat is better than the writers. I thought everyone already knew that anyway.

[Rhywun]

Oh the writers are fine but they obviously have to restrain themselves somewhat.

[SugarFree]

Crazy? Obnoxious? Goofy?!?

[Cyto]

Yes, I was referring to you.

[juris imprudent]

And what about the rest of us?

[Cyto]

Yes. You too.

It's turtles nutballs all the way down.

[liechecker]

So wait, Clinton attacks Trump directly and that doesn't count against her time?

[PurityDiluting]

Hillary trying to spontaneously throw out her scripted gotchas
Trump's 'why not?' got the laugh

[Rebel Scum]

Moderator Douchbag: "Secretary Clinton, you want to tax the wealthy more to give free shit to the poor. Mr. Trump, you want to give tax breaks to the wealthy and take a steaming shit on the poor. Defend your position."

[(VERY VIP), Jr.]

How many shots did Trump take before going on?

[BigT]

Fuck Lester Holt!! In the ass with a broken bottle.!!!

[liechecker]

I don't think "top down" means what Hillary thinks it means.....

[Brochettaward]

Trickle down led to the Great Recession again.

Where's the fact check, Lester? Come on.

We needed a Rand Paul up here right now.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Well, maybe slashing taxes and starting a war YOU VOTED FOR didn't help. But it doesn't mean slashing taxes is a bad thing.

Cunt.

[SusanM]

I got it!! Hillary sounds like Peggy Hill in Spanish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cmWlZXSH44

[Rufus The Monocled]

Heh.

+1 size 13 feet.

[Adans smith]

So,is there something going on I should be watching? I guess I'll read about it here tomorrow. Think I watch Hogan's Heroes reruns .

[SugarFree]

HOOOOOGUN!

[Suell]

It's all trickle down.

[NYC2AZ]

After my 5th beer, I need to trickle down.

[Calidissident]

I'm just glad I didn't decide to do a Debate Drinking Game. I'd probably be dead by now.

[PurityDiluting]

yep. shot per each 'believe me' would already have me under the table

[Crusty Juggler]

News media, get the message: Trump'd up, trickle down.

[thrakkorzog]

That's pretty dark, even by your own standards.

[Joe M]

Content aside, I feel like Trump is mopping the floor with Clinton.

[Rufus The Monocled]

He's right about the interest rates.

[Brochettaward]

Surprised he brought up the Feds. Still would have liked to seen something on how it's a top down approach to economics.

[Tonio]

Can I start generally puking, yet?

[Ken Shultz]

Trump going after the fed isn't going to lose him any voters . . . anywhere.

[John]

Trump is laying the wood about the asset bubble and the coming reconing and interest rate hikes. He sounds pretty good and he is absolutely right.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Moving on to tax returns is a lifeline for Hillary.

[liechecker]

So they asked Trump about conflicts of interest in his business dealings... with Hillary on stage?

[BigT]

Trump should say that reduced Corp tax rates will bring jobs home.

[Rhywun]

I think he did.

[Rufus The Monocled]

She's seeing Puff the Magic Dragon right now.

[Hyperion]

lol!

[Rhywun]

Elementary school music class flashes before my eyes. I never realized until much later that I was basically raised by hippie teachers.

[liechecker]

And another followup from Holt. When's that going to happen to Hillary?

[BigT]

Fuck Holt in the ass with a broken bottle!!

[Suthenboy]

lowering taxes on money out of the country, cutting red tape and lowering corp. taxes bringing jobs back into the country? Thats just crazy talk.

[AlexInCT]

If you believe that government's job is to take money to buy votes for politicians, and especially politicians of one party in particular, then that IS crazy talk...

[The Real Jose]

Listening to Trump, I'm reminded of the anti-foreword of the Unix-Haters' Handbook:

"Like excrement, it contains enough undigested nuggets of nutrition to sustain life for some."

[(VERY VIP), Jr.]

BOOM

[Karl Hungus]

Boom what? I'm not able to watch right now.

[Mr Drew]

compare your tax returns to her speech transcripts, trump!

[John]

How long are they going to talk about his taxes and not talk about her emails, the Foundation and transcripts.

[AlexInCT]

I think the emails got mentioned and they had to admonish the crowd for clapping hard and hooting & hollering when the emails were brought up... Hillary responds that her breaking the law was a mistake and she takes responsibility... Woo-hoo! She is making my next license plate? Right???

[John]

And her breaking the law is nothing to see and nowhere near important as Trump not releasing his tax returns, of which there is no reason to believe he has done anything wrong.

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Brian]

Clinton doesn't think "top down" works in America?

That explains nothing.

[Dark Lord of the cis]

Knew that one was coming.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Yikes moment!

CNN muting the crowd!

[Joe M]

Oops, Trump is getting whiny now. "I get audited every year. I want my binkie."

[Brochettaward]

Crowd breaks protocol for the email reference.

Trump finally states the obvious that being free to release returns under an audit legally isn't the same as it being smart to do so.

[AlexInCT]

SPECIAL PROSECUTOR FOR INCREASED EXPORTS, YAY!

[Brochettaward]

They have a five year plan to end all five year plans!

[SugarFree]

She licks her lips just like my elderly cat does when she's about to beat the crap out of my other cat. Hiss. Spit. Mrowr.

[Atanarjuat]

"Audience, please quit cheering things that make Hillary look bad."

[BigT]

Fuck Holt in the ass with a broken bottle!!

[SugarFree]

And he said nothing when they cheered her.

[Crusty Juggler]

HILLARY IS WEARING ALL RED AND IS NOT WEARING AN AMERICAN FLAG PIN!!!!!!!!

[Ken Shultz]

Communist.

[Fist of Etiquette]

She has a tattoo of it. Try to guess where. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

[AlexInCT]

BARF...

[Fist of Etiquette]

Someone found it!

[Agent Cooper]

Dude. Leave that shizz to Crusty.

[liechecker]

Way to put that ball on the tee for Hillary, Lester!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Switching back on I see we're talking about tax returns, so I guess we're still in the prosperity section of the debate?

[Joe M]

Yeah wow, the moderator really served this up a platter for Clinton. "Care to unload a pre-scripted speech about Trump's tax returns?"

[BigT]

Fuck Holt in the ass with a broken bottle!!

[John]

Is Hillary really shameless enough to accuse anyone of being dishonest and being a crook? Did they give her LSD instead of her meds tonight?

[SusanM]

He got away with paying no taxes...and she say it like a bad thing?

[Brochettaward]

It's the same attack they used on Romney.

May be true with Trump.

[John]

Romney was a schnook who acted defensive about it. I don't think it will work with Trump.

[SusanM]

It'll rally his supporters, that's for sure.

[Tonio]

I'm going to go make some extra crispy bacon.

[liechecker]

Hillary has no tolerance for people who have something to hide....

[AlexInCT]

Maybe she is queen of snark?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Trump is coming off like a guy pissed off about the state of Middle America. Hillary is coming off like a politician desperately clinging to a script.

I'll let you guess who is better reflecting America's mood.

[Joe M]

Calling it now: the tax returns are going to be the lead story.

[Brian]

Reminds me of a birth certificate.

Clearly, the withholder is always in the wrong.

[The Fusionist]

And I'm back. Some rock and roll in the background.

[The Fusionist]

Needs more rock and roll.

[Ken Shultz]

Lester Holt grew up in Marin County.

[BigT]

Fuck Holt in the ass with a broken bottle!!

[Calidissident]

Trump should release the returns but Clinton trying to attack people for hiding stuff and assuming nefarious motives is hilarious.

[Crusty Juggler]

Very much so.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

From what I'm reading, it sounds like she keeps opening up avenues that reflect just as badly or worse on her.

Again, you're goddamn Hillary Clinton. People don't like you. As outrageous of a character as Trump is, don't try to make this about character.

[Crusty Juggler]

Dude, just say Clinton Foundation. Holy balls.

[Rebel Scum]

^ This

[Fist of Etiquette]

I have a feeling he's ass deep in the Foundation.

[John]

I think all of this bitching about Trump's tax returns just points to the 800 pound gorilla in the corner holding the email server no one is talking about. Do you guys think this is going to hurt Trump? I don't see it doing anything but reminding people of how awful Hillary is.

[arbitrary wavefunction]

Her repeatedly calling him out for being rich will come back to bite her too.

The public thinks "Trump built buildings and made a ton of money. That seems like a real way to make money. Clinton made a couple hundred mil with speaking engagements. That seems like a bullshit way to make money."

[liechecker]

Yeah, I don't get the Clinton campaign's strategy of trying to insinuate that Trump as corrupt. Rule #1 is don't go where your own bodies are buried.

[Atanarjuat]

"I'd obviously do it differently"... so I wouldn't get caught.

[SIV]

Nick Gillespie ?@nickgillespie 5m5 minutes ago

.@BudgetHawks notes @HillaryClinton increases spending & taxes tons, @realDonaldTrump craters revenue Neither good http://crfb.org/papers/promise.....ary-update ?

Craters revenue? I like the sound of that!

#BTFSTTG

[John]

God Nick is a putz. He is just a putz.

[Calidissident]

If he had a matching spending plan, that'd be nice. But he doesn't, so that just means even more massive deficits than we are already going to have.

[BigT]

Fuck Nick Holt in the ass with a broken bottle!!

[Ken Shultz]

If there's a place in the world with more limousine liberals than Marin County, I don't know where.

There are more limousine liberals in Marin County than there are in Hollywood.

[Rebel Scum]

Clinton better be careful. She may hit some pinnacle of projection and create a projection wormhole that swallows the universe.

[liechecker]

OK, Holt is putting every question on a tee for Hillary and only following up with Trump.... and Trump is still kicking her ass.

I say this as somebody who despises Trump.

[BigT]

Fuck Holt in the ass with a broken bottle!!

[Rufus The Monocled]

FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE.

Taxes don't say much is true.

[Brochettaward]

Trump focusing on his taxes more and letting Hillary tying him to shady financial dealings slide. Nothing about her foreign donations. Dropped ball.

[The Real Jose]

All this talk of tax returns is triggering Trump

[Joe M]

Trump should shut up about $650 million not being a lot of money. Fastest way to lose touch with the middle class he purportedly loves so much.

[The Fusionist]

Gov. Gary Johnson ?@GovGaryJohnson 1m1 minute ago
I just left to go to the bathroom, came back, didn't miss a thing. The #debate sounds like the same thing we've been listening to all year.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

Had to tend to the Johnson.

[Rufus The Monocled]

You should see Trudeau airport, Donald.

What a joke.

[Tornado16nb]

why does reason think cratering government revenue is a bad thing?

[Hyperion]

Cocktail parties hardest hit?

[The Fusionist]

Gov. Gary Johnson ?@GovGaryJohnson 47s48 seconds ago
This is the #debate I was expecting. @realDonaldTrump says @HillaryClinton is the scourge of the earth and vice versa.

[Rufus The Monocled]

She hits back.

[SugarFree]

Load father anecdote. Execute.

[Crusty Juggler]

So true.

[commodious the plorable]

Now can you imagine if Cruz had won the nomination. Would you be cringing quite so much?

[Gray Ghost]

Trump is looking like my 3 year old nephew at tee-ball: swinging, missing, and getting distracted by the squirrel in the corner of the infield.

Holy fuck would Ted Cruz or Rand Paul be mopping the floor with this woman by now.

Hillary actually said she'd welcome a special prosecutor?! And is asking what secret financial dealings is Trump hiding?

[Brochettaward]

Yea. He can't pass up a chance to talk about himself.

[liechecker]

He's actually doing pretty well. Just got knocked off course with the bankruptcy thing.

[John]

Yeah, I can't believe she said that. And I can't believe he didn't call her out on it. On the other hand, the entire country knows her baggage and thought the exact same thing we are thinking. So, what difference does it make? Trump really didn't need to say what everyone knows.

[Gray Ghost]

If he does say what everyone knows, and says it pithily, that becomes what everyone talks about the next day.

Instead, it's going to be how calm and healthy Hillary looked, a woman who was supposed to be on her deathbed.

Goddammit Donald. Finish this fucking demon already.

[John]

He needs a "your no Jack Kennedy" moment. And he needs to be funny. Hillary is the most humorless person on earth. Humor is her kryptonite.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

I was thinking today how funny it must be in the universe where Marco Rubio is the nominee, and all the progressives are trying to make a big deal about that boat story and why that's worse than the CF and emails.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Not a good answer, Donald.

[Rebel Scum]

Mr. Trump, please repeat after me: Hillary takes money from foreign gov'ts. She did so while serving as secstate. She is doing so while running for president. She will continue after becoming president. She is for sale. She is the literal embodiment of a corrupt politician.

[The Fusionist]

"Taken their labor, taken the good that they produced, and then refused to pay them."

[AlexInCT]

Why is he not wearing an orange suit and making license plates then? I have never felt bankruptcy was a sign of weakness. You take risks. Many will not bear out. Bankruptcy is a way to allow your company to survive something that would otherwise be catastrophic. I understand why people that think government is what makes the economy possible fail to see this reality, but damn, are most people unaware of that reality?

[Crusty Juggler]

"I'm talking to you, SEIU."

[SugarFree]

Why does she keep bringing up her father? Is she trying to convince people she is actually a human?

[Brochettaward]

Yes. They've been trying to 'humanize' her for weeks, and her opening statement took the same tact.

[SugarFree]

What would it be like to be such a loathsome creature that you have to convince people you are human?

[AlexInCT]

I bet you if we spike her on a helmet, a cockroach will run out of her and climb back into its spaceship...

[Rufus The Monocled]

Bull shit Hillary. You risk the odds are you will fail.

http://www.incomediary.com/wen.....h-millions

http://mentalfloss.com/article.....bankruptcy

[liechecker]

"I take advantage of the laws of the nation.... for myself"

oh my god Trump that is not a good answer

[The Fusionist]

"Gov. Gary Johnson ?@GovGaryJohnson 1m1 minute ago
I'm finding that I'm in agreement with both of them at the moment."

[Rhywun]

"Let's talk about race."

Oh dear god.

[Hyperion]

What took them so long?

[John]

And then they can move on to abortion and trannies in bathrooms. You know, the important subjects we all can agree on.

[Rhywun]

"My predecessor - whose third term I am campaigning for - has set race relations back fifty years."

[AlexInCT]

Gets the vote out though in an election year where you have absolutely no positive accomplishment to run on, doesn't that?

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

"Oh dear god."

My literal reaction.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Boy, Factcheck and Politifact are hard at work at the moment, eh?

[liechecker]

Spinning Hillary's lies as truth is hard work.

[liechecker]

Awesome, we haven't talked about race for so long.

[PurityDiluting]

Halftime. What's the score?

[Joe M]

America 0

[Col. Chestbridge]

Government 1

[That's A Bingo!]

America: Zero.

[commodious the plorable]

America Ferrera?

[The Fusionist]

Finally, a low-key talk about race.

[juris imprudent]

Lester will talk to both candidates?

[Brochettaward]

Hillary's fake sincerity talking about race. They'll replay that constantly over the next few days.

What the fuck does BLM have to do with 'prosperity?'

[arbitrary wavefunction]

African Americans aren't prosperous because cops shoot them.

[Brochettaward]

The law suits that result are the only successful wealth redistribution schemes our government has!

[Rhywun]

We're done with the prosperity segment. Time for the 2nd most important topic facing the nation.

[liechecker]

The black cop shooting the black guy did it because of race?

[The Fusionist]

You're a racist for even citing these racist facts.

[DenverJ]

So, watching this on this streaming thing, so it's CBSN. They keep showing left-wing twits on the bottom of the screen.
They both come across as horrible. Trump is definitely coming across worse than Shillary, though.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Trump does not come off well being forced to explain bankruptcy law and taking advantage of the tax code.

[AlexInCT]

Its a sad reflection of the voters in general that people need that explained to them.

[Tornado16nb]

Other than bailey, ENB, boehm, welch.....i mainly come to reason for the comments.

[NYC2AZ]

Hillary will be the first black female president! Just ask her.

[Gray Ghost]

Jesus, it's like he hasn't practiced against likely attacks on his record.

He's getting in the weeds, with no road map for his audience, and Hilary is, conversely, staying on message with short specific points.

Hillary's giant whoppers don't matter if Trump doesn't shove them down her throat. Yelling at her that she's lying doesn't do that.

[thrakkorzog]

Seriously, Hilldog of hiding shading info in his tax returns was the equivalent of a guy opening his stance in a ball kicking contest, and Trump totally missed his shot.

[Crusty Juggler]

OT, because why not: Moment Oklahoma deputy saved man from two raging pit bulls in 'attack mode' by pulling him onto the hood of patrol car

He helped a black guy and he did not kill the dogs. What?

[SugarFree]

He'll probably be fired.

[Joe M]

Come on, Trump, flip the script and advocate for criminal justice reform. Piss off the alt-right.

[Dark Lord of the cis]

Is it just me or are her uppers wearing off?

[Ken Shultz]

Nah, that's just her shit eating grin.

[SugarFree]

No, she's already looking tired. My mom's her same age and I know that look. In 30 minutes my mom would be asleep on the couch.

I wonder if she'll jam an epi-pen in her leg under the podium.

[AlexInCT]

Did she have surgery to make her look like that? It reminds me of the Joker...

[Ken Shultz]

All that stuff you said about the direction of the country, Hillary, don't you need to check with your paymasters in the Middle East first?

[Rebel Scum]

Doesn't Hilldawg have a kkk member in her history that she referred to as a mentor?

[(VERY VIP), Jr.]

"Gun epidemic"

[DOOMco]

foundation?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Next up: forty-five minutes of Hillary coughing into both mics.

[liechecker]

Halls Mentholyptus, stat!

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

She should just pass one of those green phlegm balls into Trump's mouth and get this whole thing over with.

[NYC2AZ]

We have finally reached the "Cuz Gunz" segment for Hilldawg.

[Rebel Scum]

Heil Killery: "Everybody should respect the law."

ROTFLOL!

[The Fusionist]

Heil-ery.

[liechecker]

Are young African-Americans swallowing guns or something?

[The Fusionist]

Ooh, Trump is bidding for the libertarian vote!

[liechecker]

Except the part about stop and frisk

[The Fusionist]

I was being sarcastic.

[Quincy.]

Dun dun dun dunh...

[Crusty Juggler]

Fuck Jack McCoy.

[Fist of Etiquette]

"Cut a deal."

[Crusty Juggler]

"We have to bring back Law & Order.

Is Dick Wolf pulling Trump's strings?

[Crusty Juggler]

"Against police judge." I laughed.

[liechecker]

Haha Holt is fact checking Trump in between answers now....

[Hyperion]

Is he also fact checking Hillary?

[Rebel Scum]

Is that a serious question?

[BigT]

Fuck that cuntHolt

[Rufus The Monocled]

Of course.

HE WORKS FOR NBC.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Lester's Crowley moment!?

[UmaRamesh333]

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[liechecker]

I couldn't believe it when I found out my sister in law makes $58920 a week fact checking Donald Trump from home.

[Quincy.]

Laaate, spam bot!

[Atanarjuat]

To be fair, he probably went to sites that have way more clicks than Reason first.

[BigT]

Fuck Holt in the ass with 20 broken bottle!ms!!

[John]

So after spending 45 minutes explaining how great things are, the subject switches to race and suddenly Hillary is all gloom and doom.

I think Trump comes across pretty well on the racial stuff. He doesn't sound like the typical uptight white person most Republicans do.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Still Trump is walking a fine line.

[Joe M]

Hillary is starting to look unwell...

[That's A Bingo!]

Blinking seems to have slow down. Not sure if that's good or bad.

[Rufus The Monocled]

I'm waiting for the the make up to run.

[Rhywun]

Stop 'n' frisk - if unconstitutional - is so regardless of so-called "racial profiling", asshole.

[Atanarjuat]

Things you won't hear anyone say in the public arena.

Also, that minimum wage (also brought up tonight) can be shown to be a bad idea by chapter 1 of a Microeconomics textbooks.

[DenverJ]

Both of them, standing in front of the bill of rights, calling for gun control.

[DenverJ]

Oh, actually it looks the declaration of independence

[Fist of Etiquette]

You can never go wrong with more police!

[BigT]

Yeah, it sells.

[NYC2AZ]

And we have the reached the "Cuz privacy rights" segment for Trump.

[Gray Ghost]

How about pointing out that, at least in Ferguson, DOJ was actively helping out and liaising with BLM?

Point out that BLM is, now, an attempt by the DNC to increase black turnout for a candidate they otherwise wouldn't give a shit about.

And what the fuck is it with Holt arguing with Trump? Has he done anything like this with Hillary? Ask your question and let the candidates talk, fuckhead.

[Mic_Airz]

Pointing out facts about a hot button racial issue is racist. Better for Trump to steer clear.

[DenverJ]

God he's bombing

[BigT]

Yeah, not presidential

[Joe M]

Yeah he was strong early but flailing now. Hillary is back on script.

[liechecker]

I don't get why Trump wants to die on the stop and frisk hill. Who even supports it at this point?

[The Fusionist]

We're going to find out.

[Crusty Juggler]

White Republicans who watch riots on tv.

[SugarFree]

Rural whites and other people who will never be subjected to it.

[Gray Ghost]

Most of NYC, judging by how they liked it when Giuliani et al did it.

[John]

No. a decent percentage of blacks. You would be surprised how many blacks are totally off the reservation radical law and order types. Not a majority but 25 or 30%. More than enough to sink Hillary if they ever stopped voting Democrat.

[SugarFree]

But they won't.

Of course, stop and frisk was never really about guns, but an easy way to avoid the 4th to bust people for drug crimes. But neither one of them want to touch drug legalization.

[SIV]

Thank Earl Warren for the "constitutionality" of stop n' frisk. 8-1

[Calidissident]

Most of his base.

[The Fusionist]

The black businesses...those which haven't been attacked by rioters.

[Joe M]

Shhh we don't talk about that.

[Gray Ghost]

Trump is painting a dire picture of the black community? Didn't the moderator just spend the last few minutes pointing our how horrible crime was and how bad blacks are treated by LE?

[Nativist, Racist & Xenophobe]

I have no idea whose winning. They're both cringe inducing. Unless one of them gets a kill shot in this is a waste of time.

[Brochettaward]

I just want Trump to insult Hillary in the most vulgar ways.

He's coming off like low-energy Jeb here.

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

Love these Reason tweets, wish I had a twitter for once. Nick Gillespie is killing it.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Soave is talking about Harry Potter stuff again. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT PATRONUSES EVEN ARE.

[thrakkorzog]

Isn't that mid-shelf tequila?

[SugarFree]

I think it's a word for fancy buttholes.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Until they're muggled.

[Rebel Scum]

Effectiveness is not a legitimate argument in favor of constitutionality. Shows her mindset on the constitution.

[That's A Bingo!]

"Gun safety measures" -- Anything to avoid saying "gun control"

[Rufus The Monocled]

Nice Hillary.

But he's right. What the fuck were you doing for the last eight years?

[commodious the plorable]

Much better to treat public prisons like public schools, and vice versa.

[John]

Did Hillary miss the memo that there has been a Democrat in the Presidency for the last 8 years? If race relations are so bad, whose fault is that? IF it is not Obama's then how can she claim the President has the power to do all of this stuff?

[JWatts]

BUSHHHHHHHH!!!!

[The Fusionist]

We can't just say law and order, we have to talk about systemic racism.

And those mandatory minimums...where did *they* come from?

[Suell]

We really need common sense gun laws in this country.

[liechecker]

Police are outgunned? Seriously?

[AlexInCT]

Yeah, by criminals, and these criminals would only be stopped from doing this if we had more laws!

[NYC2AZ]

They need M1 Tanks.

[Crusty Juggler]

Yeah. Criminals have Glock 7s, which are ceramic and therefore cannot be found by metal detectors.

[NYC2AZ]

You'd be surprised how much I make in a week.

[Crusty Juggler]

Porcelain, not ceramic.

*turns in John McClane fan club card*

[arbitrary wavefunction]

Aaaaaand Hillary just called everyone racist.

[PurityDiluting]

"too many of us" ... the deplorables

[AlexInCT]

Did Clinton just say that the police are outgunned by criminals? I bet they all bought their guns legally so better laws would prevent that!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Gee, if only Trump were remotely libertarian, he might be calling her out for supporting the policies that put all those brown and black people in prison.

[Adans smith]

I think I'll throw a pizza in the oven. Nice cool evening here tonight.

[commodious the plorable]

Hillary loses the blue vote.

[Calidissident]

How about we don't take away rights to fly or own guns without due process?

[Tornado16nb]

Over under on the trump reason articles tomorrow....i say 20. suderman willl have at least 10

[John]

I will take the over on Suderman. They guy is going to be at an in patient clinic on thorazine by November.

[SIV]

Peter McCuckerman

[Rufus The Monocled]

Lester hasn't fact checked her.

What a dick.

But the site the guy up thread suggested has Donald winning 59% to 41%.

[Hyperion]

I think their brilliant fact check one person tactic will have the opposite effect. The media are clueless asshats.

[SIV]

Ed Krayewski Verified account
?@edkrayewski

Can not wait for the fact checks "actually bad people have 2nd amendment rights too"

While I strongly disagree, U.S. law strips 2A rights from people for things that aren't really bad at all."Bad people" who have been adjudicated of any felony and some misdemeanors lose their 2A rights.

[liechecker]

Fuck you Donald....

[The Fusionist]

Why am I feeling this way? This pain in my side, this warm slippery stuff?

Oh, yeah, I've been fucking *shot*!

[The Fusionist]

That applies on both sides.

[Joe M]

Hillary: "This police problem, I can fix it. I'll just sprinkle some money on it, and voila!"

[commodious the plorable]

Fucking jackass. Oh my God you jackass.

[BigT]

That's jenny ass

[liechecker]

There's your pro-Second amendment candidate, endorsing no-fly no-buy.

[That's A Bingo!]

Hillary's nodding is making it look like she's nodding off.

[Ken Shultz]

Going all soft and liberal amid ongoing nightly riots prolly doesn't help Hilldog much in North Carolina.

And that's somewhere they both need to win.

[SIV]

Twitter progs all think violent riots tilt the voters towards the candidate most friendly to the rioters.

[The Fusionist]

No fly lists and watch lists, "I agree."

[NYC2AZ]

Remember the good old days when the "No Fly" list was deemed unconstitutional by the press and the left in this country?

[That's A Bingo!]

Nope.

[Brochettaward]

Yea. But that was like all of 8 years ago, man.

[Ken Shultz]

Now Hillary's coming after your little sister's AR-15.

Fuck you, Hillary.

[Nativist, Racist & Xenophobe]

I think the biggest beneficiary of this debate will be Gary Johnson. He should consider himself lucky he wasn't involved in this shit-show.

[Joe M]

If only.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Donald is speaking in a style I think may be connecting.

[Joe M]

God damn, can't shut up about stop and frisk, can he?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Trump wants to strip gun rights from people on lists.

[A frilly pink thing]

Suoerpredator!

Where's Danny Glover?

[thrakkorzog]

I thought Lawrence Fishburne was in the one with Superpredators?

[Don Escaped Texas]

Clean !

[Crusty Juggler]

No fly list = no guns! Argue with that, libertarians.

[DOOMco]

Headdesk

[Calidissident]

Statistics 101 - Lesson 2

Correlation and Causation

[Ken Shultz]

They're the same thing, amirite?

[A frilly pink thing]

Sometimes, sometimes.

[commodious the plorable]

Man, the GOP could have fielded someone competent. Ah, well. Shame about all those upcoming SCOTUS appointments.

[Hyperion]

No, not unless it was Rand, and the GOP establishment was dead set against that happening, since Rand is a libetarian kook.

[commodious the plorable]

It wouldn't take much to beat Shrillary. You might not have liked their choice, but it would have been leagues better than Shrillary.

[Ken Shultz]

The GOP was against Trump.

The difference in Trump winning was disaffected traditional Democrat, blue collar constituencies, who were sick of being hated by the elitists in the Democratic Party.

[SIV]

Atlanta Falcons 28 New Orleans Ain'ts 14

[True Scottsman]

Trump won?

[Rebel Scum]

Self defense is effective.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Lester wishes he had a mute button.

[Joe M]

Haha, she looked unhappy with the black votes call-out.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Lester keeping it real!

[liechecker]

Lester forgot to chide the audience for applauding this time. I wonder why?

[Brochettaward]

Now we are hitting on birther shit.

Hillary has been asked what...one question? A softball on her views on implicit racism comments she made?

[liechecker]

It's a legitimate question... he pushed that stupidity for a long time.'

Maybe the GOP should have nominated a real candidate instead of a clown?

[A frilly pink thing]

So did she

[Suthenboy]

Cankles smirk makes me want to punch the TV

[Ken Shultz]

Smearing Trump as a birther after everybody's heard the story is gonna make him look better.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Fuck you Lester.

[Crusty Juggler]

My take: extremely wealthy white people treat walk all over man with dark skin.

[Heroic Mulatto]

You have curiously specific fetishes, but hey, I ain't judging.

[arbitrary wavefunction]

Why do I feel like the emails shit isn't going to come up at all?

[Ken Shultz]

Lester will bring that up right after he gets done talking about the Clinton Foundation.

[John]

It did. She apologized and said it was a "mistake" towards the beginning. Trump hit her pretty good on it and said it was more than a mistake and we know that because so many people associated with it are pleading the fifth. I bet at least half the people watching this debate had no idea the people around Hillary are taking the Fifth. The media has done a very good job covering that up. Well, they know now.

[arbitrary wavefunction]

I meant as a debate topic. Trump forced the issue once Lester pushed the tax returns thing.

[John]

okay. Fuck no they won't touch that.

[liechecker]

Oh they got rid of the split screen. Hilldog must be taking pills.

[Rockabilly]

Hitlery Clinton supports the racist and un Constitutional war on drugs.

Hitlery Clinton has been for every war since she nagged Bill to bomb and terrorize Serbia.

Hitlery Clinton is a racist war monger.

I will not hold my nose and waste my vote on a racist war monger.

[Joe M]

This stuff about Blumenthal isn't coming across. He's taking too much for granted. No one knows who the fuck that is.

[Don Escaped Texas]

six guys in Manhatten

no one in OH or FL cares
a competent campaigner would target swing states

[SugarFree]

Get out, Donald. Get out. The Birther shit is stupid.

[Rufus The Monocled]

I have a feeling CNN is gonna play games here with the audience.

[arbitrary wavefunction]

"First black president not born in USA" == racist. Not just dumb or kinda unnecessary. Straight up racist. Yup. You heard it right.

[Rufus The Monocled]

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE AT THIS POINT?

What a useless question.

[PurityDiluting]

Hillary failed to get Obama's birth certificate. Trump was able to get it. Winner!

[Joe M]

Serving up another platter to Hillary. And surprise surprise, she has a scripted response ready for this one too.

[Rebel Scum]

I thought Bill Clinton was our first black president.

[Brochettaward]

Obama goes high when they go low. Same guy who said when they bring a knife, we bring a gun...

[Hyperion]

I'm not watching, but from listening to the comments here, it sounds like CNN is trying to make Trump the next president. Not on purpose.

[Joe M]

Damn, straight up calling Trump a racist to his face.

[Fist of Etiquette]

With the volume down I can't tell who's winning this thing. Maybe it's me.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

So how's it looking, fellas? Can we expect some great spin tomorrow?

[That's A Bingo!]

Sounding like sniffles.

[Crusty Juggler]

It's going to be all sniffles jokes.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

Jesus, they got Hillary on coke? A bit of a drastic way to keep her awake.

[John]

Trump didn't pay any taxes and Hillary was brilliant and put the whole email story away by apologizing for it.

[(VERY VIP), Jr.]

She took responsibility, John. Took. Responsibility.

[commodious the plorable]

Much too much was made of the classified emails. Yes, those were bad, and in a just world she'd be clad in orange for it. But it's a side course to the main entree vis-a-vis SHE TRIED TO HIDE HER DEALINGS FROM THE PUBLIC BY MAINTAINING A PRIVATE SERVER. Then attempted to cover it up and lied about it. Comey's a stooge and that alone is damning whatever her subsidiary sins.

[thrakkorzog]

"Trump picks on little old lady"

Seriously Trump Keeps bringing it back to his own issues and forgoing some really obvious chances to go after Hillary.

[PurityDiluting]

Holt says "we're talking about racial healing" to get Trump back on point when he was the one who asked the birther question?

[Brochettaward]

Trump's vocabulary at times slips from a fifth to a third grade level.

[lap83]

I'm not watching the debate, but right now I assume they're calmly and rationally discussing serious topics such as the ACA, entitlements, and the federal debt.

[SIV]

Halftime

28-14

Falcons up 14 over the Saints

[arbitrary wavefunction]

No dammit. It's all about race. Race is the most important. And birtherism.

[(VERY VIP), Jr.]

Cyber Hillary giving cyber answers about cyber issues. Cyber!

[liechecker]

Holt: How do we fight against hackers in the cyber war?

Clinton: Set up private email servers.

[Adans smith]

Well,Klink is going to Paris and hilarity ensues.

[Joe M]

The story about the club.... wtf?? Who is going to find it appealing?

[Rufus The Monocled]

/closes online brochure tab.

[Brochettaward]

If he phrased it better, it could have worked. He pushed for desegregation at a time when blacks really weren't allowed in those clubs. But he stumbled over himself with it.

[The Fusionist]

Cyberattacks?

OK, fair enoug, but what about the more traditional kind of attacks...the blow-up-y kind?

Oh, yeah, Russians working for Donald Trump.

[DenverJ]

Oh, Shillary looking pissed when Trump talked about her campaign disrespecting Obama during 2008 campaign.

[liechecker]

"Donald is very praiseworthy of Vladimir Putin" huh?

[Brochettaward]

So...this whole debate was set-up to lob up talking points for Hillary. It's one set of issues they've used to attack Trump after another.

[Hyperion]

CNN. Did you expect different?

[Gray Ghost]

Donald, if you can't cram her talking about cybersecurity right up her ass...

[SugarFree]

Hillary is so concerned about cybersecurity she kept confidential state dept files on an unsecured and secret server.

Fuck, Donald. Gut her.

[Joe M]

He's probably going to talk about building a skyscraper in New York instead.

[liechecker]

security by obscurity

[Joe M]

"Trump made Putin personally hack into the DNC!"

[DenverJ]

Shillary talking about cyber security! LMAO

[Crusty Juggler]

Seriously, Hillary is talking about cyber warfare and cyber security?

[John]

Right after talking about the need to be honest about where your money comes from. It is just unbelievable.

[Atanarjuat]

Never get in a land war in Asia, and never underestimate the shamelessness of a Clinton.

[liechecker]

I think that one deserves a fact check, Lester

[That's A Bingo!]

Saying the GOP establishment doesn't approve of Trump isn't going to work.

[SIV]

I took it as an endorsement. GOP-hate is why I voted for Trump in the primary. It's why he's the nominee.

[Rufus The Monocled]

HE HAS TO CUT HER UP HERE.

[The Fusionist]

Perfect set-up on candidates unreliable on national security...

[Rufus The Monocled]

Is she falling asleep?

[Joe M]

Trump is an idiot! He had the perfect opportunity to crush her and he goes off on more endorsement bullshit. Fucking fool.

[waffles]

Looking at my FB feed this debate is like a totally fucked up Rorshach test.

[liechecker]

And he doesn't even bring up the clintonemail.com server.... gah

[Gray Ghost]

This, from the Admin that fucking let a Chinese contractor have root access to the database containing full SF-86s, among other things.

Goddamnit Donald, stop talking about how great you are! Start talking about how she screwed this up.

[Rufus The Monocled]

He's not bringing the emails up?

Wtf?

[Brochettaward]

Despite the format, Hillary has set herself up perfectly throughout the night. Yet, Trump has dropped the ball consistently.

[liechecker]

It helps that she's getting softball questions and Lester Holt opens up a second front against Trump occasionally.

Trump's made some mistakes though.

[Calidissident]

Trump needed to land devastating blows to Clinton to win - one liners that would be remembered at night's end. I haven't watched all of it, but so far I haven't seen it.

[SugarFree]

Srsly. The blinking. It's weird, right? It's not just me?

[Joe M]

Super weird.

[Crusty Juggler]

It's code - a blink code.

[arbitrary wavefunction]

She just plugged one nostril and snorted a little. I'm sure there will be a GIF of that tomorrow.

[Ken Shultz]

That's how Hillbot recharges her battery.

[SugarFree]

Like regenerative braking on an electric car... that's really quite brilliant.

[Butts Wagner]

Local news had a body language expert say that whoever blinks the most during the debate will lose the election. 8 out of last 9 elections prove this.

Someone counts blinks of candidates during debates. What a country!

[Atanarjuat]

Better than some factions shooting at eachother. I think.

[SugarFree]

I really want to see a blink count.

[The Fusionist]

It was right there and he missed it...emails!

[The Fusionist]

What a cuck.

[Crusty Juggler]

Whoa, sitting on their bed weighing 400lbs? Hey, some of those people are commenting here!

[Brochettaward]

Trump has a 10 year old who is great with computers. And we need to improve cyber security. What the connection is, I'll never know.

But that was the highlight of the night as it came out of nowhere.

[Ken Shultz]

Yeah, it's hard to blame Lester when he's basically begging Trump to go after her for the emails, and Trump doesn't go for it.

[Hyperion]

Maybe that Trump as Clinton plant wasn't as much conspiracy as most people thought?

[Ken Shultz]

Oh, come on.

[Hyperion]

That was sarcasm, you know.

[John]

He did go after he when she apologized. Maybe his campaign figured that it wouldn't look presidential if he mentioned it too much. Also, not saying it is going to make him not attacking her the story of the post debate press, which will bring it to light just as much as if he had said anything.

[The Fusionist]

Let's see if that works.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I don't think they're allowed to have water on the stage. Trump just drank illegal water. That's a scandal worthy of a -gate suffix. Can't think of good one, though.

[arbitrary wavefunction]

Aquagate?

[SugarFree]

Hofstra Hydrophobia!

[Smilin' Joe Fission]

Turned this on for about 5 minutes and then turned it off.. fuck I can't believe I am going to have to listen to Hillary lecturing us for the next 8 years.

[Ken Shultz]

Four at most.

[Smilin' Joe Fission]

Fine, Ken. I only had it on for 3 minutes before I shut it off. Why you gotta call me out like that?

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

Doubt it'd be more than two.

[Ken Shultz]

Who prepared Trump for this debate?

You're fired!

[Crusty Juggler]

Ken, the Trump people loathe the "media," so the spin will not effect them. This debate is meaningless unless there is a huge gaffe by either person.

[liechecker]

He looks terrible to the undecideds though. Those are the people who matter.

[John]

I don't think he looks terrible. The worst thing you can say about Trump is that he didn't go after Hillary hard enough about her corruption. I am not sure "he didn't make her look like the lying criminal she is" is the same thing as looking terrible.

[liechecker]

It was a missed opportunity. But the detours on stop and frisk and birtherism were terrible.

[Crusty Juggler]

I can't imagine there are that many.

[Ken Shultz]

The election won't be won by Trump people.

He needs undecided swing voters in places like Ohio.

[John]

I don't see where either of them have done anything to change the dynamic of the race. Do you?

[Rufus The Monocled]

Donald is not that bright.

[MarkLastname]

If he were, he wouldn't be running for president.

[The Fusionist]

Trump, you moron.

[DenverJ]

Yeah. This is why people practice before these debates, Trump, you fucking idiot. I'm gonna blame you personally for Shillary becoming POTUS

[Bhdt.]

When's the commercial break. my vomit bucket needs emptied.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Well, whatever apparently and allegedly ails her it's not enough to derail her campaign.

[Ken Shultz]

I thought all Trump had to do was not be obnoxious and bring up the Clinton Foundation.

I was wrong.

Swing and a miss.

[Suthenboy]

The core messages of these two are so different I don't think either one is going to win anyone over. I cant imagine there are many undecideds out there at this point.

[SugarFree]

The bags under her eyes are visibly drooping compared to the start of the debate. She's going to look like Droopy Dog by the end.

[Joe M]

It's like she can neither fully close nor fully open her eyes anymore.

[Bhdt.]

The haven't added that feature to this version of the avatar

[Ken Shultz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPO43kCh3_c

[Hyperion]

She'll look like Yoda before 4 years are up. Fat Yoda.

[arbitrary wavefunction]

Embalming will do that to you.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

Michael Malice ?@michaelmalice
I've seen more #sickburns on any given @KennedyNation panel. Sad. Low energy!
#debates

Ouch.

[Gray Ghost]

NATO's a longer alliance than our alliance with the UK? News to me.

Jesus, how is he missing these easy meatballs? The server, financial chicanery, race---when we've had a black president for the last eight years. Sigh

Tell us what your point will be, make it, and move to the next one. Does no one teach rhetoric anymore?

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

Does no one teach rhetoric anymore?

I don't think so, but these two were educated in the 50s and 60s, when they did still teach rhetoric.

[Tornado16nb]

Let's hope there are more DNC leaks

[arbitrary wavefunction]

"The record shows otherwise"

Aaaaand there's the fact checking.

[Joe M]

Hillary looks weak when she begs the moderator for help.

[Brochettaward]

BABA BOOEY BABA BOOEY!

[Rhywun]

Stern should be moderating one of these.

[Brochettaward]

He has a lot of experience moderating fights between retards. He asks the questions people care most about. He'd do a great job.

[The Fusionist]

Finally going against the MSM.

[Tornado16nb]

Let's pray the house and senate stay republican

[liechecker]

Ummm.... didn't Hillary vote for the Iraq War?

[Rufus The Monocled]

Funny how that dick Lester is not fact checking that.

He's getting on my nerves.

[That's A Bingo!]

Hillary really shouldn't do that toothy smile.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Jesus Christ Lester. WHAT ABOUT HILLARY'S RECORD YOU BLOODY HACK?

[MarkLastname]

What, she died for our sins and rose again three days later to defeat the Nazis and give woman the right to vote, what about it?

[SusanM]

Howard Stern gets name-dropped in a national presidential debate.

The end is truly nigh.

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

*emits a deep hearty laugh*

[Atanarjuat]

I'm too buzzed to make further lucid comments.

[Joe M]

Dude, name-dropping right-wingers is not the key to victory.

[John]

The name Sean Hannity should never be spoken in a debate. That was by far Trump's worst stretch. WTF was he thinking?

[Gray Ghost]

Fuck you Holt. Are you running for President? Then why are you arguing with Trump?

If there's any justice in our new Jacobean future, that guy'll end up in one of the guillotines sitting on the National Mall.

[The Fusionist]

I hate to nitpick, but I think you mean Jacobin.

Jacobean means "of or relating to the reign of James I of England."

[MarkLastname]

Gray Ghost subscribes to the esoteric conspiracy theory that Hillary is secretly part of a cabal seeking to use the presidency to reinstall the Stuart Dynasty to the British throne.

[Joe M]

Trump's explanation of his position on Iraq is going to take an additional 90 minutes.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

For once that smug, bemused look on Hillary is appropriate. Trump is a total schmuck that knows nothing about foreign policy.

[Rebel Scum]

Trump needs to speak more concisely.

[Atanarjuat]

Those people who were going to drink at the drop of Sean Hannity's name are now getting their stomachs pumped.

[SugarFree]

No admonishment to the crowd again as long as it is to Hillary's advantage.

[arbitrary wavefunction]

I'm pretty sure that was a laugh track.

[DenverJ]

Defensive, Trump, too defensive.

[Don Escaped Texas]

to borrow from Will Rogers: but then again, Mr Trump has much to be defensive about

[liechecker]

DON'T DO THAT HILLARY BARF BARF

[liechecker]

i think i saw jiggling nooooo

[Fist of Etiquette]

Temperament.

[Rufus The Monocled]

What the fuck was that?

[Bhdt.]

america, we are fahkt

[Troy muy grande boner]

My god, Trump looks awful. Doing that gore sighing shit.

[DenverJ]

Oh he's melting down completely

[SugarFree]

Is Hillary going to hold up a vial of yellowcake?

[Crusty Juggler]

Her smile strangled what little was left of my soul.

[Crusty Juggler]

*burns cartoon frog in effigy*

[Joe M]

Only six minutes left for HIllary to pass out.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Ha, ha.

Iran is dicking the U.S. around.

[Mic_Airz]

While Bill is still dicking bimbos at home.

[John]

Hillary is now going to laud the Iran deal. You have to be fucking kidding me.

[SugarFree]

They were almost to the point of having a nuclear weapon. To stop them we smuggled them 1.7 billion in cash under the cover of night. That will stop them right in their tracks, right?

[liechecker]

And Trump isn't going to call her on it.

[Brochettaward]

Now we have to pretend that the countries of NATO made some great commitment in Afghanistan. And most didn't pull out well before us. And that does what to change the fact that they aren't living up to their other treaty obligations and the money pumped into defending them since the end of WW2? They'd all be speaking Russian by now if not for us, but we are supposed to be grateful that they (mostly) sent some token troops to Afghanistan.

[liechecker]

YOU FORGOT POLAND

[Atanarjuat]

Speaking as someone with many Lithuanian co-workers, they already do speak Russian.

[waffles]

You east coast people got so much extra time to catch a buzz. This is so unfair. I'm way too sober.

[Hyperion]

There is no buzz sufficient to blunt the edge of this horror, and I didn't even watch it.

[Atanarjuat]

Truth

[Crusty Juggler]

Dude! Crush up something and bump it. Get it together.

[Hyperion]

Man, this sounds truly horrific. I am so glad I was smart enough to not watch it.

[liechecker]

Hillary is so full of shit, and Trump is incapable of rebutting her

[Rhywun]

Pretty much sums up the evening.

[MarkLastname]

He has so much of it in him he can't smell it in anyone else.

[(VERY VIP), Jr.]

Hillary hasn't had a stroke tonight. That's a win for her.

[SusanM]

There's always been war in Eastasia.

[Joe M]

Haha, wait, so the U.S. needs to prevent Japan and SOUTH Korea from getting nukes now?

[thrakkorzog]

Not a big fan Tom Clancy fan I take it?

[John]

I thought Trump might have been in trouble, but now Hillary is just sounding like the bitchy motherinlaw you never wanted again. She is coming across as arrogant and cold.

[arbitrary wavefunction]

"Words matter."

[DenverJ]

He just looks completely amueturish. Ugh. Cankles is gonna be the next POTUS.

[Brochettaward]

The debates haven't typically mattered too much.

[Brochettaward]

The debates haven't typically mattered too much.

[liechecker]

What a difference 90 minutes make.

[Brochettaward]

People wanted to see cankled one insulted, Shriek.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Donald Trump: America is a loser.

[db]

Remember when Romney won the first debate and the election was over?

[liechecker]

LOL here comes the damage control.

[db]

that's funny. have you ever read a thing I have written before?

[liechecker]

I don't have to.

[db]

Oh I know who you are now.

[Hyperion]

Yes. But as far as I can remember, the polls were never close.

[Brochettaward]

Did Hillary win? There's a lot of blue collar voters who are going to look at the early part of this debate, and it's the only part people cared about. They don't give a shit or buy what Hillary is selling about BLM or care about birtherism.

The NAFTA/TPP stuff sells for Trump.

[Joe M]

Trump did well in the first 30 minutes or so.

[MarkLastname]

So the question is, how many people were still sober enough to comprehend anything after that point?

[liechecker]

I hate them both but was rooting for Hillary to go down. Disappointing.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Sarah McLaughlin Verified account
?@sarahemclaugh

hey i'm debating
and this is crazy
here's hannity's number
so call him maybe

[Brochettaward]

As opposed to sending people to your website to fact check your opponent?

[Joe M]

The fact that Trump even said the words "first strike" is pretty horrifying.

[Haybob]

I wish the Republicans used the 15% rule for their primaries. Any of the other Republican candidates would be up huge on Clinton. Thanks to those morons it's probably going to be 4 or 8 years of Clinton or Robo-Clinton.

[Joe M]

Two years of Clinton, two years of Kaine.

[MarkLastname]

At this point, I'd swear Republican voters just enjoy losing.

I guess, we can at least hope most of that anti-trade shit Hillary was slinging were just more lies to win the election.I shudder to think who the Dems will nominate next election to win a historic defeat against Ted Nugent or Screech from Saved By the Bell or whoever the yokels decide to nominate.

[XM]

I'm not watching this crap. Right now I'm watching the Marlins "win for Jose" game.

[Crusty Juggler]

I must say she looks great from behind.

[Hyperion]

*barf*

[John]

He is at least hammering her on the cash to Iran. Thank God. That pretty much takes the legs out from under the Hillary claim that she got this wonderful Iran deal.

[(VERY VIP), Jr.]

Hillary making a direct appeal for those Far East electoral votes.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Enough is enough. Shut this thing down.

[Crusty Juggler]

Hillary: "Words matter."

Jesus H. Tap dancing Christ.

[Atanarjuat]

Who's better at parsing words carefully than her?

[The Fusionist]

Is Hillary actually coming across as the grown-up Serious States(wo)man?

[Agent Cooper]

"Is Hillary actually coming across as the grown-up Serious States(wo)man?"

That's what she is. But what it gets you is more statist bullshit.

[MarkLastname]

She's a statist womanist.

[Hyperion]

Drudge Poll, who won the first debate?

Trump 93%, Hillary 7%.

Damn, those Drudgebots must hate the queen.

[Agent Cooper]

It's echo-ey in there.

[PurityDiluting]

Colonizing other planets is sounding better and better

[Nativist, Racist & Xenophobe]

I'm listening to the debate from a TV in another room. I can't bear to be in the same room with it.

[DenverJ]

How is Donald Trump tweeting at the same time that he is debating!?!?! He's a witch!!!

[thrakkorzog]

He said in an earlier tweet that he has some of his deplorables handling it.

[Atanarjuat]

Probably TMI, but I just learned that "Hillary Clinton beaver shots" is a suggested Bing result.

[John]

My God there are some sick people out there.

[Don Escaped Texas]

custom content ? 🙂

[arbitrary wavefunction]

Aaaaaaaand there's the woman card. Thanks Lester. We all needed that.

[Joe M]

"We cannot be the policemen of the world"

Best thing Trump's said tonight.

[The Fusionist]

Oh, fuck that gender-baiting.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Stam. In. A.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Seriously shut that fucker Lester up.

[Rhywun]

"Mr. Trump, when did you stop beating your wife?"

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

"When she finally shut her mouth!"

[liechecker]

That quote is a legitimate question, but he's not going to ask Hillary about the "deplorables" quote?

[Joe M]

The saddest thing about this is that Trump is such a damn narcissist that he doesn't even realize how many golden opportunities he's missed to put this away.

[MarkLastname]

The saddest thing is that this buffoon who Hillary is barely managing to chug past thanks to her own ineptitude is going to be portrayed for generations to come as the towering scion of the white patriarchy who was sublimely defeated by the greatest womyn-warrior of our time.

[Crusty Juggler]

What was the point of Lester Holt?

[Ken Shultz]

Racist.

[Rhywun]

To land a press secretary position?

[liechecker]

FINALLY he talks about Iran.... 10 minutes late

[Fist of Etiquette]

Close it down. Pull the plug.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Man, wouldn't it have been awesome if she collapsed once he said, 'stamina'!

[John]

I am not sure mentioning her stamina when answering the Congress is exactly the point Hillary wants to make.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

She can go all night long.

[Atanarjuat]

I think she and Bill actually get off on rubbing our faces in it.

[Brian]

Trump didn't say "stamina" before.

He said "look".

WE ARE FACT CHECKING THIS SHIT RIGHT NOW!!!

[Mic_Airz]

Reminds me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0twWuMAUqrQ

[arbitrary wavefunction]

"Women don't deserve equal pay unless they do as good a job as men." == sexist

[Dark Lord of the cis]

How the fuck is that even objectionable?

[liechecker]

I assume she meant to say something else.

[MarkLastname]

Given how much feminists inexplicably love lifetime alimony, mandatory child support, tearing up prenups, and female-targeted relief programs, I'm pretty sure they regard opposition to the idea of women making less than the average man for doing nor work at all as sexist.

[MarkLastname]

Given how much feminists inexplicably love lifetime alimony, mandatory child support, tearing up prenups, and female-targeted relief programs, I'm pretty sure they regard opposition to the idea of women making less than the average man for doing nor work at all as sexist.

[Brochettaward]

Hillary goes for the vagina card right after her awful record is pointed out.

[(VERY VIP), Jr.]

Stamina problems? Hillary ain't in no ways tired!

[SusanM]

Does Trump remind the Canadish of this guy?

https://youtu.be/UZNjiSzCR_k?t=38

[Atanarjuat]

Women deserve equal pay for inferior work!

[Fist of Etiquette]

"Women don't deserve equal pay unless they do as good a job as men."

DID TRUMP ACTUALLY SAY THAT???

[SIV]

Who could disagree?

[MarkLastname]

It's a piss poor way of putting it. He should've pointed out that it's already illegal to pay women less than men, then mention some statistics (which he should've had on hand, since he had to know this was coming) illustrating that in many professions women earn more than men and urban, educated, single women earn on average more than urban, educated, single men. But given he probably had a family of Bonobos prepping him for the debate, what can we expect...

[The Fusionist]

Women don't deserve equal pay unless they do as good a job as men?

[Hyperion]

And how is that wrong?

[The Fusionist]

Um...it's not?

[liechecker]

What's wrong with saying that a woman shouldn't be paid as much as a man if she doesn't do as good a job?

[Rufus The Monocled]

Hillary searching for her 47% binders moment.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Trump has self-restraint. HE HAS A FILTER AND HE USES IT.

[Crusty Juggler]

Hillary: "I've treated women well, unless they sucked my husband's crooked dick."

[liechecker]

"One of you will not be winning this election." God I wish it could be both!

[Rufus The Monocled]

It's not true until Lester facts checks it.

[SugarFree]

Oh, good. The last question is a set up for Trump.

[Brochettaward]

What the fuck sort of dumb question is this? What is the loser going to do - start a rebellion?

Oh, we're setting up a question to hit on another bullshit attack on Trump.

[liechecker]

Trump has said the election is going to be rigged.

[Brochettaward]

No, he didn't.

[The Fusionist]

So you take the Republican nomination, those in the party who don't like you are "cucks," then you go act like a total wuss when facing Hillary?

[That's A Bingo!]

Trump really isn't a bully like the media said he was. He is self-obsessed, as he showed.

[MarkLastname]

Yeah, I think all the evil people attribute to him boils down to simple juvenile narcissism. He can't stop making asides about himself even when he's not even relevant and he seems obsessed with being liked by whomever he's addressing. A good debate moderator could manipulate him perfectly just by making Donald feel like he's suppose to be trying to earn his approval.

[DenverJ]

"Hillary is mean and said mean things"

[Fist of Etiquette]

Is Lester Holt a Conehead-American?

[Atanarjuat]

mebb

[Brochettaward]

Reason staff are jealous about all of the cocktail parties Lester is going to get attend after this one.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Fuck you Lester.

It can't be said enough.

[arbitrary wavefunction]

He did kind of a bad job.

[liechecker]

Yes, he was completely biased, but Trump made a lot of mistakes too.

He better hope nobody was watching this one.

[Don Escaped Texas]

which network post-debate review do you watch: I'm checking PBS first

[That's A Bingo!]

I'm on CNN right now.

[The Fusionist]

I was about to say I can't think of anything more stupid than this debate, then you kindly reminded me of the post-debate yakfests.

[liechecker]

Cartoon Network

[Brochettaward]

HILLARY JUST SHOOK HANDS WITH A RACIST MISOGYNIST!

[Fist of Etiquette]

DON'T MAKE HILLARY LEAN OVER THE EDGE OF THE STAGE! WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE DOING?

[SugarFree]

Down blouse moment.

[Fist of Etiquette]

You simply cannot turn it off, can you?

[SugarFree]

No. And I have to live with that.

[liechecker]

We know Bill doesn't have any stamina problems.

[SugarFree]

Hillary was pleasant throughout? Dan Rather is high as fuck.

[Brian]

I thought he was dead.

[SugarFree]

Weekend at Danny's

[The Fusionist]

No, he's still trying to find out the answer to this question.

[Crusty Juggler]

Courage.

[C. Anacreon]

You saw that movie too?
I saw it on an airplane over the weekend.
Pretty biased against Bush, but could have been worse, and we never would have expected anything else.

[Crusty Juggler]

Well, the "courage" post is based upon this, which I only know about because I had a college professor who worked for CBS and thought that Rather signing off with "courage" was the funniest thing in the history of the world.

[Brian]

Is he still saying crazy shit like, "that debate was more intense than an Alabama hot pocket."

[Agent Cooper]

Oldie but a goodie.

[liechecker]

She was more pleasant than usual, he meant.

[__Warren__]

Somebody needs to make the Saints' defense great again.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Tapper chastising Trump for focusing on his Iraq record WITHOUT MENTIONING LESTER WAS BAITING HIM.

[That's A Bingo!]

He mentioned that every time there was bait, Trump took it.

[The Fusionist]

Lester is a master baiter.

But he need not have bothered, this time Hillary didn't need the MSM covering for her, what a mess.

[SIV]

That was a mess

[DenverJ]

Chelsea is still butt ugly

[SIV]

HER FATHER IS JANET RENO

[Hamster of Doom]

Ten pounds of bullshit in a five-pound cannon.

[Crusty Juggler]

Do you have insomnia? Are you looking for a cure? Then boy do I have a solution for you! The upcoming Vice Presidential debate, live at Longwood University.

[SIV]

I might be working in Farmville then. Thank the Gods I'll be staying over near Richmond

[MarkLastname]

They'll have to invite Johnson to Longwood.

[Joe M]

The CNN analysis is actually spot on. Trump was kicking her ass in the first 1/3 of the debate, then went into ADHD mode and floundered badly. Clinton was able to get into a robotic groove.

[The Fusionist]

It turned out that lester's attempts to skew the debate toward Hillary were unnecessary. Donald was low-energy and defensive, Hillary was waving her dick around to good effect.

[liechecker]

Hillary lied a ton, so one can forgive Trump for coming off as defensive, especially when the moderator started debating him.

[arbitrary wavefunction]

"Trump, you said 'she doesn't have the look' that's obviously sexist. Please apologize to the gods of political correctness so that we can just elect Her Majesty and avoid years of plague because you angered the gods."
-Lester Holt

[creech]

My goodness, I didn't realize how incoherent Trump is. Hillary killed him in stringing words together so you understand her point how ever wrong they are. I'm still voting Johnson while preparing for President Clinton's reign.

[DenverJ]

Wow, look at that aid freaking out. Looks like he thinks Bill is going to fall off the stage.

[SugarFree]

Because Bill always manages to fall dick first into a bimbo eruption.

[Calvin Coolidge]

Total accident, like the time that vast right wing conspiracy broke into the oval office and ended up shoving Monica's mouth right onto his cock.

[Johnny B]

Ed Krayeski:

We're gonna wipe ISIS out. Like with a cloth?

That wins the thread!

[liechecker]

I really hated that split screen, and also wonder why they stopped doing it (so Hillary was offscreen) while Trump was talking at one point.

[Ken Shultz]

Trump needed to look presidential.

I think Hillary came across more that way.

I think Hillary playing all liberal and cozy with BLM may hurt her in North Carolina.

I think Donald probably scored points in North Carolina by going law and order.

I think Hillary cleared a hurdle with her lead intact.

There's one more debate, but the undecideds only have one more debate after this one. A good half of those are probably calcifying in their preference right now as I type.

There still may be an October surprise upcoming. The Russians and Assange may not have had their last say.

Apart from that, Hillary cleared a big hurdle today. There's only one more debate to trip her up. It's looking better for Hillary now than it did before the debate started.

[Brochettaward]

Trump's handlers need to just let him go nasty next time. For the entertainment. This whole 'look presidential' thing is bullshit.

Hillary set herself up despite all night despite getting gifts all night from Lester.

[Ken Shultz]

"Trump's handlers need to just let him go nasty next time. For the entertainment."

I'm not sure it will matter next time.

There may not be many undecideds left by next time.

[liechecker]

It wasn't a lack of being nasty that killed him, it was not following up on obvious avenues of attack in what Hillary was saying.

[liechecker]

She looked like the adult in the room, which is what the undecideds are looking for at this point.

The blue collar workers are already with Trump, the BLM people with Hillary. They really don't matter.

[Brochettaward]

To finish that thought, she'll do the same thing next go around. I don't know if Trump is that oblivious, or he was coached not to get too nasty or personal on the scandals because people already know about them.

[Don Escaped Texas]

yeah, something like this

any Dem is in the fast lane on the road to 270 anyway, but nothing said tonight tripped OH and FL firmly into blue

[John]

Hillary doesn't have a lead. Every poll as it as a dead heat.

And you can't judge these things on style points. You never know what the public is going to pick up on. Ultimately, Hillary looked like the insider and the defender of the status quo and Trump looked like the pissed off outsider. The public will like or dislike what each candidate did based on their opinion of the status quo and of outsiders.

[Don Escaped Texas]

538 gives Trump FL and OH ....and he still loses.

This is the furthest thing from a dead heat: popular votes don't matter.

http://projects.fivethirtyeigh.....id=rrpromo

[John]

Popular votes do matter. The winner of the popular vote has failed to win the electoral vote exactly once in the last 100+ years and that popular vote was less than 1% of difference. No on is going to win the popular vote by even three points and lose the electoral vote.

And the state polls are notoriously inaccurate. Who knows where these states are.

[Don Escaped Texas]

Mr Silver's track record isn't undone by your hopeful paragraph.

[liechecker]

He doesn't have much of a track record.

In 2012 anybody who know politics knew what the outcome of 45 of the states would be. Then you randomly pick the remaining 5 and get 47-48. So his "50 out of 50 correct" isn't really that impressive.

[John]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/0.....474908310/

And 538 is always about two weeks behind reality. Hillary doesn't have a lead. I know that fact is devistating to face, but sometimes life is like that

[Joe M]

You obviously don't frequent the site. Because they're always up-to-date.

[Gadfly]

538 gives Trump FL and OH ....and he still loses.
This is the furthest thing from a dead heat: popular votes don't matter.

While you are correct in assessing that Hillary is in the stronger position, saying this isn't a dead heat strikes me as odd. If you look at the 538 assessment, Hillary is ahead by just a single state, which is as much of a dead heat as a presidential election can get. It doesn't matter which state, if Trump can flip any single state currently in her column to his he wins, so I'd say this is a close race.

[Hyperion]

Trump is up now in OH, FL, CO, NC, NV and Hillary's lead in PA is now evaporating. She's in serious fucking trouble.

[liechecker]

Lester Holt saved his career tonight.

[C. Anacreon]

I would like people to start using his nickname, "Corn", when they describe him.

As in Lester "Corn" Holt.

Or in a sentence, Lester "Corn" Holt triplets yesterday.

[MarkLastname]

Fucking hipsters had the debate on at my favorite coffee shop, now for the sake of my sanity I'm stuck at home commenting on Reason with the rest of you losers 🙁

[SugarFree]

my favorite coffee shop

Fag.

[DenverJ]

^second reason bars are better than coffeeshops. First reason is alcohol.

[MarkLastname]

They serve alcohol at the coffee bar. And it's right next to my building, while the nearest bar is a block away and across the street, which may as well be the other side of the continent.

[Crusty Juggler]

The coffee-loving fags are fast asleep fella, so your signaling will fall on deaf, intoxicated ears.

[MarkLastname]

I don't drink coffee. I usually get chai tea, and sometimes a piece of homemade zucchini-walnut bread which goes nicely with it.

[Hamster of Doom]

Only a true Republican can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like that. This is a sign. He is The One.

[Nativist, Racist & Xenophobe]

That may just be the ultimate epitaph for this election. I doff my cap!

[MarkLastname]

What's the full Matrix analogy for that? After being killed by Mr. Smith he comes back to life only to die again from slipping on a banana peel?

[BigT]

"Only a true Republican can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like that. This is a sign. He is The One."

No, Nixon's the One. I have it on a button.

[Crusty Juggler]

There is one respectable Reason writer:

Jesse Walker @notjessewalker

No questions about clown sightings. No questions about Harambe. No questions about baby Hitler.

[SIV]

Jesse should edit the website

[XM]

I heard that Trump did not bring up the emails. Is that true?

I mean, what's the point of voting for him now?

[liechecker]

He did bring them up on the tax return question.

[SIV]

He hit her on emails in the first half hour. He should 've kept it up and talked about nothing else.

I'm not sure but the strategy might be to tank the first debate, make Hitlery complacent, put the boots to her in the 2nd and play presidential in the 3rd

[SugarFree]

I'm not sure but the strategy might be to tank the first debate

This is pathetic, even for you.

[Gadfly]

He brought up the e-mails when he said that he'd release his tax returns if Hillary released her e-mails and did manage to criticize her on the issue, but he totally failed on bringing up her unsecured server when she was talking about cybersecurity later in the debate (his biggest fail of the night, imo).

[SIV]

Falcons still dominating. Both these teams have horrible defenses.

[Hyperion]

I'm shocked.

[waffles]

The "spin room" sounds like fun but it's not.

[Crusty Juggler]

I have a "spin room" in my basement, in case you or anyone else is interested.

[The Fusionist]

You Republican retards, you decided to reject not only the traditional leadership of your party (good thing) but the conservative alternatives (bad thing) - instead you thought that the way to take back the White House after 8 years of suckitude, and facing off against one of the crookedest Democrats out there, was to nominate this guy?

And you said that at least Trump was tough and could give his enemies the smackdown they deserved.

Then he lets Hillary beat him up and give him a swirlie.

And the MSM moderator's efforts to skew the debate turn out to be quite superfluous.

And it's for *this* that we expect us to put up with your sellouts on just about everything conservatives hold dear?

Up yours, Trump, go back to New York City and your Democratic buddies.

[John]

What exactly is everything conservatives hold dear other than the pleasure found in being boring elitist assholes? Conservatives fell in line and swooned over Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. Give me a fucking break with the "everything conservatives hold dear" bullshit.

[liechecker]

So you're cool with "no fly, no buy".

Keep telling me how he's going to protect our gun rights.

[The Fusionist]

Gun rights
The rest of the Bill of Rights
Not spending like drunken sailors

You obviously don't believe he's prolife because you said he backed up your denunciations of the prolife movement.

Perhaps you believe the stuff about the Supreme Court. Anything else?

[The Fusionist]

I'm so sorry, I apologize to the drunken sailors.

At least you can put them in the longboat until they're sober.

[The Fusionist]

Seriously, if your contribution to the abortion debate is to give you and the MSM a cudgel with which to beat *the entire prolife movement,* then I get to call that a betrayal of what conservatives hold dear.

[The Fusionist]

If you've been previously known as prochoice, and you announce a "conversion" coincidentally at a time when a conversion would be helpful, and you immediately provide ammunition to the prochoicers who used to be your ideological soulmates, you haven't exactly met the burden of proving that your conversion is sincere, have you?

[liechecker]

He should be getting crucified for coming out in favor of no fly-no buy.

[Ken Shultz]

One more time with feeling, . . .

Trump won the primaries on the backs of disaffected Democrat constituencies.

[liechecker]

And even more on the backs of Democrats who wanted the GOP to nominate the weakest candidate.

[Ken Shultz]

They were just white, blue collar people who are sick of being called stupid, racist, selfish, homophobes by progressive elitists in the Democratic Party for being skeptical of global warming, white, middle class, and Christian.

There was no grand plot of tens of millions of Democrats. Those people are Red State are off their rocker.

[MarkLastname]

Meh, I'm still not convinced that a great many, perhaps majority of the Republican base aren't just indifferent, if not outright ambivalent, about economic freedom and limited government, and weren't just waiting for a populist candidate to sweep them off their feet. This election has given me the impression that the whole 'limited government' lip service is unfortunately just a platitude of the conservative elite, much like all the SJW nonsense in the Democrats; something in which the base generally has little interest.

[waffles]

You're saying my libertarian inclinations are no different than the same political motivation that drives someone deep into the bowels of the SJW fight? Say it ain't so! That's a pretty dim view. But Rand didn't catch fire, Trump did. Yuck.

[MarkLastname]

Sadly, this seems to be the case. The libertarianish (or I guess I might say 'selectively small government in theory if not in practice') wing of the GOP is confined largely to 'elites.' The common voters are more populist leaning. Unfortunately.

What was it that Churchill said, 'the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.'

[Dark Lord of the cis]

Pick six. Fuck yeah!

[JayU]

THE ONLY GOOD THING WAS THE LACK OF COMMERCIALS!

[SIV]

TOUCHDOWN Falcons!!!1!

[GILMORE?]

Is it almost over? did anything actually interesting happen, or was it sort of just a "last person standing" thing?

[The Fusionist]

It was like watching a train wreck, without the detached assurance that at least you're not involved.

[Crusty Juggler]

It was awful. Truly awful. Trump is stupider than you can possibly imagine, and Hillary is just as much of an evil robot as you feared.

[GILMORE?]

Sounds like an advertisement for Gay Jay simply by his 'not being there'.

Its the "anything but this shit" vote!

[Heroic Mulatto]

Don't ask me, I've been watching shit like this all night instead.

[The Fusionist]

Who's doing the voice work, Alvin and the Chipmunks?

[SugarFree]

Chuck Whatshisgoatee just said America was he real loser of the debate.

But he's still voting for Hillary.

[waffles]

No he said the viewers at home were the loser. He was calling us losers for watching this shitshow.

[SugarFree]

Ah. I missed the nuance. And I agree with him.

[Ken Shultz]

Incidentally, if Hillary wins, I'll be talking a lot about social contract while she's in office.

If Hillary wins the presidency after taking money from foreign governments while she was the Secretary of State, then we are no longer a nation of laws.

I suppose I'll still be guided by my ethics, but if Hillary wins, I don't think anyone is morally obligated to follow any federal law--certainly not just because it's a law.

The part about how our legal obligations are contingent on our rulers doing likewise is the very best part of social contract theory. Sometimes, you gotta throw somebody's tea into the harbor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L397TWLwrUU

[Troy muy grande boner]

This nation ceased to be a nation of law on July 5, 2016. If I got the meme right...... We've already learned the Constitution is for sale. Now we are just dickering over the price.

[Ken Shultz]

We can get it back with another President.

But I'll never accept Hillary as legitimate.

Legitimacy is the right and acceptance of an authority, usually a governing law or a r?gime . . . . An authority viewed as legitimate often has the right and justification to exercise power. Political legitimacy is considered a basic condition for governing, without which a government will suffer legislative deadlock(s) and collapse. In political systems where this is not the case, unpopular r?gimes survive because they are considered legitimate by a small, influential ?lite.[1]

In moral philosophy, the term "legitimacy" is often positively interpreted as the normative status conferred by a governed people upon their governors' institutions, offices, and actions, based upon the belief that their government's actions are appropriate uses of power by a legally constituted government.[2]

http://tinyurl.com/j6kzjyx

I will never accept Hillary Clinton as our legitimate President.

She accepted money from foreign governments while she was the Secretary of State, so in my book, she has no legitimate basis by which to execute the laws--not even if she wins an election.

[John C. Randolph]

This nation ceased to be a nation of law on July 5, 2016

No, that happened back during the Lincoln regime at the latest. One could also make the case that it happened under Madison.

-jcr

[John C. Randolph]

This nation ceased to be a nation of law on July 5, 2016

No, that happened back during the Lincoln regime at the latest. One could also make the case that it happened under Madison.

-jcr

[SIV]

Robbie gets it:

Robby Soave Verified account
?@robbysoave

Very much disagree with journo Twitter's smug certainty that Hillary wrecked Trump.

[Troy muy grande boner]

Trump should be embarrased. He let that evil cunt give him a wedgie and the evil sacntonious grin to boot.

[liechecker]

The split screen thing really worked against him.

If he had had the look while she was talking that she had while he was talking, they would have accused him of being dismissive of a woman.

[Hyperion]

I really hate to disappoint everyone here, but I've found several polls online about who won the debate, both right and left sources, and in all of them, Trump kicked Hillary's ass. Just sayin.

This is CBS New York:

Did Hillary win the debate

On all of the right wing sites, HIllary is in single digits. That was not the case with Romney/Obama, not even close.

[That's A Bingo!]

Russians hacking, it is.

[AlmightyJB]

I would say neither did anything to change any minds. There was nothing new really.

[Hyperion]

I'm still looking, found several more post debate polls, still cannot find one where Clinton did not get bitch stomped.

[The Fusionist]

Well, hopefully the public watched a different debate, because between The Joker (Hillary) and Two-Face (Trump), I don't want The Joker to win.

The Joker is evil all the time, Two-Face at least flips a coin to decide if he's going to be evil that day.

[Hyperion]

I really welcome anyone posting a post debate poll that differentiates from what I'm seeing.

[The Fusionist]

I sure hope your polls are more accurate than my own impressions.

Two-Face 2016!

[Hyperion]

Libertarian opinions really don't matter. And facts or policy knowledge do not matter either. The media probably screwed the pooch for Hillary by their over the top bias. They just do not understand the current mood of the nation.

[liechecker]

Unscientific polls are garbage.

[Hyperion]

Seriously, people actually expected that Trump would live up to libertarian standards? Really? There is no way Trump or Hillary are ever going to live up to that. Libertarian standards are in a different universe than your average GOP/Dem standard. You have to look at this from what the avg voter saw. And it's not anything like what you saw.

[thrakkorzog]

I was expecting to be shit on Libertarian issues like stop and frisk. I was just hoping he would be entertaining and rip her on the private server, CGI, Iraq, Libya, etc. And he failed to do that.

[Hyperion]

And yet probably still won the debate. Libertarians don't really grasp the stupidity of the avg voter.

[waffles]

Yo Hyperion I appreciate what you are trying to do but that is just the work of centipedes.

[commodious the plorable]

What's the most you ever lost on a coin toss?

[Gadfly]

Well, hopefully the public watched a different debate, because between The Joker (Hillary) and Two-Face (Trump), I don't want The Joker to win.

I do think Hillary won the debate when judging by regular debating standards, but I don't know how it will play with the average person (it's impossible to come to these things with an open mind when you read a lot of news, so I really have no idea how low-info people will take it). I think it will all hinge on how sincere Clinton appeared to the average voter, as if they thought she was sincere they'll buy her spiel but if not I think Trump's few high points (such as criticizing her for flaunting the endorsement of, in his terms, "political hacks" and the multiple times he criticized politicians as a class of people - including making a point about empty words) will land and outweigh his many, many missed opportunities to nail her.

[thrakkorzog]

I'm not a big fan of online polls, after all there is nothing to start the comments section over at Breitbart to start hitting up every poll they could find, left or right.

That said, I thought Trump had a snowball's chance of winning the primary, so it is entirely possible I will be wrong again. I guess we'll find out in a few days when the new poll results start coming in.

[commodious the plorable]

Joe Carter @joecarter
Tonight an uneducated Democrat stood on stage and made idiotic claims about the effects of trade.

And Hillary's position was just as bad.

[Brochettaward]

Sadly, it's the part of the debate that Trump 'won' clearly. And by doing so, the entire country loses. The entire debate is a spectacle of entertainment at this point that most tuned in only for fireworks/to see that shrew cut down. Trump couldn't deliver on even that.

[SugarFree]

I must retreat to my POWER DOME and ruminate over the events of this night.

[That's A Bingo!]

I'll be in the angry dome.

[SIV]

Falcons are gonna be 2-1

[Hyperion]

40-35? It's like college football, no defense.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Enjoy your meat tent, SugarFree.

[Jerryskids]

I was up at Atlanta Fulton County one time back in the Crystal Chandelier days and watched the Falcons blow a 21 point 4th quarter lead against the Saints so even if they're looking like they're hitting on all eight cylinders tonite they can always figure out a way to lose. Helps that it looks like the Saints are only playing eight guys on defense half the time.

[C. Anacreon]

There were so many softballs that Trump could have knocked out of the park. Early on, Hillary droned about how she's going to give everyone tons of free stuff and create 10 million highway construction jobs by 'getting the rich to pay their fair share."
Mr Trump, how will you get jobs? All he could do is mumble about China stealing jobs and air conditioner companies moving to Mexico. How difficult would it have been to say this:
"Lester, companies are fleeing the USA for other countries and taking their jobs with them. And do you know one reason why? Our corporate tax rate is the highest in the developed world. That scares manufacturers and innovators away.
If you want tax revenues, you can't take so much that companies and people just move away. Right now, we're taxing many people over 50 percent of their income! That means people are working to pay taxes for more of the year than they are paying for their own families. When that starts to happen, people lose interest in working harder or starting new businesses.
I don't think we should be punishing the job creators in this country, we should be encouraging them. And we shouldn't be acting like these people aren't paying their 'fair share', whatever that's supposed to be, Secretary Clinton -- what do you want, 90% of their income to go to taxes and the other 10% as a donation to the Clinton Foundation?
Let's create an environment where people will want to start businesses, and the tax revenue will be much better as a result.

[The Fusionist]

Shit, that was awesome.

[AlmightyJB]

Yeah, Trump gets grilled by Holt about his tax returns and not one question to Hillary about the Clinton Foundation.

[Hyperion]

I don't think that will work out like CNN and the left think it will. The general public don't know jackshit about policy, but they already despise the media and no one thinks they notice how one sided that was? I didn't watch it, but it sounds like, not unexpected by me, like they exceeded expectations with their bias. People don't understand the issues or policy, but they understand what scum the media are.

[Mic_Airz]

I read that in his voice.

Seriously, that's as perfect of a response as one could give -- opportunity blown.

[Gadfly]

He blew a ton of opportunities in the debate. I was often thinking how much better it would have been to have a Cruz or a Rubio (well, except for that one time...) facing off against her. I know Paul would have been the favorite around here to be on that stage, but while I'm sure he would have done a decent job handling policy questions he's never impressed me as a good debater - I think he just lacks the "presence" to get his good ideas to land a hit. On the other hand, a lot of Trump's missed opportunities were on issues Hillary brought up that she probably would not have brought up against another candidate, as she was very brazen in calling out Trump for doing things that she has essentially done worse.

[Mic_Airz]

Cruz probably would've had a good combination of acuity, knowledge, debate skill, and balls to be a better challenge for Hillary. But, Trump's support is largely based on the perception among his base that he's an outsider trying to clean up Washington. Cruz would've just been seen as another establishment pro-wall street evil Republican who ultimately loses to the benevolent woman democrat. It's kind of a catch 22.

Trump has an enthusiastic base who are not backing down, even at his dumbest moments. He has record breaking support. But, he is clearly not coherent in debates and is constantly defending his image and talking about himself. Hillary is a seasoned politician -- not sure his primary debate strategy is going to work here.

[Cyto]

You can tell a lot about people's true leanings by looking at their reaction to this execrable debate.

Hillary gave answers that were by turns meaningless circular logic (How do we heal the racial divide? By coming together in our communities!), horrifically bad policy choices that will do the opposite of her stated goals (we are going to bring jobs and money back from overseas by finally making the rich and corporations pay their fare share of taxes) and just plain stupid (The birthplace of Obama thing that I started is racist, so Trump is a racist for picking it up).

Trump was inanely repetitive, saying the same half-sentence over and over and over in the same speechlet. His style was obviously coached to look measured, but he sounded dopey and confused, and he failed to grasp the salient point that was dangling in front of him time and time again. And the 2nd amendment and due process.... wow.

Reason's writers definitely live up to their cosmotarian label with this live tweet.

And I really wish I had won the debate in my house over whether to watch the debate. Holy crap, what a waste of time. But I knew that going in, because neither the Giant Douche nor the Turd Sandwich was going to win my vote over the Big Johnson, no matter how they outperformed expectations.

[SIV]

GO AHEAD, THROW YOUR VOTE AWAY

[Chipper Morning Wood]

I just go home. Thank god no one in my household gives a shit about this debacle. Sounds like even the highlights are not worth watching.

[The Fusionist]

In my household, we're watching in separate rooms.

[The Fusionist]

...separated by a few hundred miles.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

Separated by a sheet?

[The Fusionist]

No, because people who wear sheets tend to swear to support "eternal separation of church and state."

[Stormy Dragon]

You can tell a lot about people's true leanings by looking at their reaction to this execrable debate.

What does it say about my leanings if I turned it off about 40 minutes in because I just couldn't take it any longer?

[MarkLastname]

Is it, is it over?

[Hyperion]

Here you go:

Time Poll

[CE]

90-9 for Trump on Drudge
50-50 on Fortune

[Hyperion]

Trump is winning the poll at Slate. That's right, fucking Slate.

Yikes

[Sevo]

Missed the entire thing (darn!), but the voting at Slate is curious to say the least.

[Hyperion]

I didn't watch it either.

There's not a single post debate poll anywhere on the internet, yet, in which Trump didn't win. Not one. It's just a question of 90% or 60%. Still looking.

[Nativist, Racist & Xenophobe]

I did watch it, I can only believe I watched a different debate than everyone else. I didn't think Trump did himself any good at all. I figured it would be a wash, at best. I think I'll wait until tomorrow when the real polls come out. I just don't believe those numbers.

[Gadfly]

Online polls are wildly unscientific, so they could be all being swayed by super-fans or trolls. It does make one wonder, however, why there are not more of the supposedly tech-savvy Democratic super-fans out there doing their part to make their glorious leader look good on the internet.

[thrakkorzog]

Off the top of my head, there are some Dems out there that are as disappointed in Hillary's debate performance as the Trump supporters are with the Don's performance. This was her chance to expose Trump as the racist, sexist, xenophobic whatever else -ist he is, and she blew it.

That's also ignoring the huge enthusiasm gap between the two candidates.

[Ceci n'est pas un woodchipper]

Holy shit. One of these two people will be president. It's between a coarse, rude, ill-spoken idiot and a lying, cheating, narcissistic populist. These are terrible, terrible people. It's gonna be a long four years.

[Careless]

Go to politico to see what they had to say about the debate and read the "wrongometer"

The first thing they have is that Trump falsely said something he didn't say, and inadvertently say that what he said was correct. *sigh*

[MarkLastname]

Wow, that's meta.

[Lord at War]

Trump missed big on the "tax increases"/"tax returns" questions... Hire me KellyAnne!

Trump: "Hillary, if it is truly a matter of fairness, and rich people think their taxes should be raised-- I'm sure you paid much more last year than was required by the current tax law signed by Barack Obama... How much extra did you actually pay?" "Just saying..."

Trump: "Of course I'm not releasing my tax returns, you might find out I once took a $4 charitable deduction for my used underwear. Oh, that was actually Bill and Hillary Clinton."

[That's A Bingo!]

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