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Campus Free Speech

Bullying Teen Girls: Is It Okay If They Were Appropriating Native American Culture?

Tomahawks for social justice

Robby Soave | 9.16.2016 10:03 AM

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A girls' high school basketball team has been publicly shamed for appearing in a promotional poster that depicts members of the team wearing Native American headdresses—a tribute to their actual mascot, the Indian.

I guess it's okay to bully a bunch of teenage girls if they're guilty of that most unforgiveable crime: cultural appropriation. Several people pointed out on Facebook that the headdress is sacred in Native American tradition, and only men were allowed to wear it. But in that case, aren't the girls actually striking a blow against the patriarchy? "Kudos to the Arbiters of Femininity for cyberbullying these girls," writes The College Fix's Greg Piper. "If they weren't self-conscious about their appearance before, they are now."

It's all a bit confusing, honestly.

What's not really up for debate is that the poster is actually great. The girls look fierce as hell. Even Deadspin's Nick Martin says so, in a post that otherwise criticizes the girls for "blunt appropriation." Martin, to his credit, managed to get the photographer's take on the controversy:

Ben Shirk, the owner and head photographer for Shirk Photography, the company in charge of the shoot, told me the ideas were crafted by the company, not the high school. Clarke High School simply told Shirk they were looking for a poster incorporating their mascot; the poster as you see it is what Shirk came up with.

Shirk informed me the finished product was less inflammatory than some of the ideas that were put on the table. He said the project seemed no different than a superhero- or samurai-themed poster, saying there's nothing racist about totem poles and war dances.

Shirk's correct, in the sense that a samurai-themed poster probably would have also raised the ire of the PC mob, though the protectors of Native American culture are a more militant identity group than the protectors of samurai culture, at least in my experience.

Anyway, I suppose I question the wisdom of having "Indian" as your mascot—but that's the school's fault, not the girls'. People are free to complain about whatever they want, of course.

And yet I am drawn to Lionel Shriver's recent diatribe against the "super-sensitivity" demanded by the anti-appropriation mob. Shriver, author of We Need to Talk About Kevin, gave a speech on the subject while wearing a tiny sombrero—even though she isn't Mexican!—in reference to the scandal created by a bunch of non-Mexican college students hosting a Cinco de Mayo theme party:

Now, I am a little at a loss to explain what's so insulting about a sombrero – a practical piece of headgear for a hot climate that keeps out the sun with a wide brim. My parents went to Mexico when I was small, and brought a sombrero back from their travels, the better for my brothers and I to unashamedly appropriatethe souvenir to play dress-up. For my part, as a German-American on both sides, I'm more than happy for anyone who doesn't share my genetic pedigree to don a Tyrolean hat, pull on some leiderhosen, pour themselves a weisbier, and belt out the Hoffbrauhaus Song.

I'm totally with Shriver on this, and I'm glad to finally see someone taking the staunchest pro-appropriation stance. Culture is intangible—it doesn't belong to anyone, and if it did, it would be impossible to sort out who owns what. Some of the people attacking the girls' basketball team pointed out that none of them were Native Americans, but there's no way to prove that: one or more of them might very well have Native American ancestors. But why does it matter, if it's impossible to tell the difference between someone who's partly Native American and someone who's not?

"I am hopeful that the concept of "cultural appropriation" is a passing fad: people with different backgrounds rubbing up against each other and exchanging ideas and practices is self-evidently one of the most productive, fascinating aspects of modern urban life," says Shriver.

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  1. (((Renegade)))   9 years ago

    The girls look fierce as hell.

    I hope that's a euphemism for "hot as hell."

    1. Citizen X   9 years ago

      I thought you'd retired the OMWC persona.

      1. (((Renegade)))   9 years ago

        They're post-pubescent. OMWC would have ignored.

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      2. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

        They're high school aged, so too old for OMWC.

      3. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

        They are a little long in the tooth for OMWC.

        1. (((Renegade)))   9 years ago

          a little long in the tooth

          I hope that's a euphemism for "nice titties."

    2. commodious the pulchritudinous   9 years ago

      Not fierce as hell.

      Fierce as hell.

    3. SugarFree   9 years ago

      All part of the trolling. The frothers get to scream bloody murder about Robby flouncing a bit and then backtrack about how they are perfectly fine with gay people as long as they know their place and don't try and get married or anything.

    4. Bubba Jones   9 years ago

      My first reaction was that they were faptastic. However upon further inspection I think this is a classic example of the cheerleader effect.

      1. SugarFree   9 years ago

        But if you grade on the women's basketball curve they are all solid 10s.

      2. R C Dean   9 years ago

        "Further inspection"?

        Nice euphemism, Bubba.

    5. You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

      Fierce means fierce.

  2. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

    Shirk informed me the finished product was less inflammatory than some of the ideas that were put on the table. He said the project seemed no different than a superhero- or samurai-themed poster, saying there's nothing racist about totem poles and war dances

    What Big Chief Racist Pants really said was: "Me takem cute girl and makem look like Sitting Bull."

    Also: they can smokem my peace pipe any time, when they become of a legal age, of course.

    1. mad.casual   9 years ago

      Not sure that they posed like that but, the 'Chief' wearing a headdress with the one on her shoulder gives the distinct impression that some of them may be more interested in collecting pelts, NTTAWWT At All.

      1. scape   9 years ago

        Well, the team's favorite positions are a triangle offense and a box-in-one defense, wink wink.

  3. Indigent-American   9 years ago

    Good cultures borrow, great cultures steal.

  4. mad.casual   9 years ago

    So, would bows, knives, and spears have earned more or less ire than facepaint and headdresses?

  5. Gojira   9 years ago

    Anyway, I suppose I question the wisdom of having "Indian" as your mascot?but that's the school's fault, not the girls'.

    Behold the masterful trolling in all its glory.

    1. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

      I kind of agree with Robbie from the standpoint that these days having Indian as your school's mascot is pretty much asking for the ire of SJW idiots. If you want to stay off their radar, it would be wise to change your mascot to something they can't get pissed off about.

      Oh wait, that's not possible because SJWs can find an excuse to get pissed off about literally anything and everything. Nevermind.

      1. Gojira   9 years ago

        I always look for the one line in a Robby article that's carefully calculated to drive the usual suspects into a frothing mob.

        ROBBY AGREES THERE SHOULDN'T BE INDIAN MASCOTS ROBBY IS A LIBERAL SJW!!!

        1. Zeb   9 years ago

          He has to be doing it intentionally at this point, at least to some extent. Which I think is great. Although, as many have observed, it's probably also to make the articles more palatable to normals.

          1. Francisco d'Anconia   9 years ago

            He does it. It's annoying. It might be to keep future job opportunities open. Or it might be that he believes good journalism takes both sides of a position into consideration.

            But I like the trolling theory best.

            1. WTF   9 years ago

              At this point, he must be trolling, because he knows what kind of reaction he is going to get.

            2. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

              It might be to keep future job opportunities open. Or it might be that he believes good journalism takes both sides of a position into consideration.

              But I like the trolling theory best.

              Or it could be any combination of those reasons. I'm guessing "all of the above." Although if he just trolling certain members of the commentariat, then that's fine by me.

              1. Bubba Jones   9 years ago

                It's possible that the article is read by a wider audience than the 50 people who comment.

                1. (((Renegade)))   9 years ago

                  Not so much, no.

            3. Bill Dalasio   9 years ago

              Or it could just be that he's a young kid just a couple of years out of that environment and buys into the bullshit because that was the only view that was considered acceptable.

            4. Bill Dalasio   9 years ago

              Or it could just be that he's a young kid just a couple of years out of that environment and buys into the bullshit because that was the only view that was considered acceptable.

        2. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

          It's because he is no respect for me. I deserve better.

      2. Francisco d'Anconia   9 years ago

        If you want to stay off their radar

        Yeah, this is the absolute wrong course of action. Even avoidance makes them credible. The correct thing to do is to look them straight in the eye, extend the middle finger of either hand (or both) to its maximum height and tell these dipshits to fuck straight off and die in a conflagration.

        1. DEATFBIRSECIA   9 years ago

          Yes.

        2. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

          The correct thing to do is to look them straight in the eye, extend the middle finger of either hand (or both) to its maximum height and tell these dipshits to fuck straight off and die in a conflagration.

          I certainly don't disagree, but I can also see why a public school administrator might wish to avoid inflaming the whiny little shits as well. They probably don't like the idea of their school being involved in a controversy, even a stupid one.

          Although like I said earlier, anything could set them off, so it's probably futile to try and stay off their radar.

          1. Francisco d'Anconia   9 years ago

            Just spent a few days with two AF Colonels. The AF went out of its way to ensure no one is EVER offended...EVER! Now it's a method for underlings to attack the leadership. The shitbags sit around listening for anything that might be construed as offensive and instead if filing a complaint immediately, they tuck it away and whip it out after they get a bad performance report or the like.

            The entire branch is walking on eggshells, afraid they'll say the wrong thing and it will end their career. They told me there was a push to get rid of the term "flip-chart" which could offend Filipinos.

            Once you start down the dark path, forever will it control your destiny...

            "Fuck off, you're fired, see you in court" is ALWAYS the correct answer.

            1. JW   9 years ago

              Fd'A is wise as buffalo spirit.

              1. Francisco d'Anconia   9 years ago

                How

            2. Bill Dalasio   9 years ago

              So, at the same time we're hyper-extending our military in adventures thoughout the world, we're making the qualification for leadership who can best avoid the wrath of the social justice brigades.

              This is going to end well, I'm sure.

              1. R C Dean   9 years ago

                How people who are supposed to engage in industrial scale mega-aggression are also supposed to avoid any micro-aggression is an exercise for the reader, I suppose.

            3. MarkLastname   9 years ago

              So, are they going to ban people named Philip too? What if it's a Filipino named Philip?

              1. Threedoor   9 years ago

                That would have been my neighbor on ft Campbell but since he was with the 160th soar no fucks would have been given.

          2. C. Anacreon   9 years ago

            Although like I said earlier, anything could set them off, so it's probably futile to try and stay off their radar.

            Only one thing to do: toga party!

        3. Necron 99   9 years ago

          Make the unicorn the mascot, then the hand sign would be the middle fingers.

      3. Ron   9 years ago

        Out local high school mascot is a Miner, not minor, and the local SJW's are complaining that miners destroyed the land and killed the natives. Luckily the school hasn't bowed down to their cries

        1. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

          Christ, I thought I might have been exaggerating earlier when I said "SJWs can find an excuse to get pissed off about literally anything and everything." Apparently I was spot on.

          1. DesigNate   9 years ago

            I can guarantee you that there is some school out there with a wildcat as their mascot and the SJW's are protesting it.

            1. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

              I'm sure their next target after they force all of the Indian themed schools/ teams to change their mascots will be to go after the ones named after various animals.

              1. Trshmnstr smells of Lo Mein   9 years ago

                +1 "oppression against other species"

            2. MarkLastname   9 years ago

              "And tonight's game will be between the Oakmont High Refridgerators and the Westbury High File Cabinets..."

              SJW: "OMG the manufacture of plastics used in refrigerators generates pollutants that have caused cancer in Malaysian children WHY DO U HATE BROWN PPL!!!?"

        2. Lord Humungus   9 years ago

          hmm... our local team is called the Pioneers

          Who raped the land and Indians...

          as far as I know no shitstorm... yet

          1. B.P.   9 years ago

            Your town needs to get with it. The University of Denver Pioneers ran their mascot, "Boone", off because it represented genocide or something. They replaced it with a hawk named ruckus.

      4. R C Dean   9 years ago

        If you want to stay off their radar, it would be wise to change your mascot to something they can't get pissed off about.

        Not possible. As should be obvious, these people can get pissed off about anything and everything.

        Ethnic mascot? Racist appropriation

        Lily white mascot? Racism, straight up. What, those ethnic mascots aren't good enough for you?

        Animal mascots are probably the safest, for now. But trust me, they will eventually come for those as well.

      5. CraigL   9 years ago

        Let's see, if your mascot is an aggressive animal like a hawk, you are being too angry and might trigger the kiddies. If it is a nice animal like a kitty, that has certain overtones, etc. So, no animals except maybe slugs which are not aggressive but are perhaps not much of a mascot. No humans of any type because they are necessarily appropriation to someone. That leaves cartoon characters which have their own problems. So I guess it is abstract words only. "Let's hear it for the Verve!!!" not sure what the mascot would look like.

  6. Gojira   9 years ago

    Can we all agree that, creepy age stuff aside, most of us "wood"?

    1. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

      I believe that's the general consensus. All I know for sure is, if my HS girl's basketball team had players that looked like that, I think I would have gone to a lot more of their games. And by "a lot more" I mean I would have gone to at least some of them instead of zero.

    2. JW   9 years ago

      I'm partial to Two Feathers Splitting on the left.

      1. Gojira   9 years ago

        That was the one I horned honed in on, as well.

        This isn't a masturbation euphemism - I'm beating off looking at her right now.

        Not really, gov't agencies reading this!

        1. (((Renegade)))   9 years ago

          Blonde Girl Leaning has irresistible shiksappeal.

          1. straffinrun   9 years ago

            Just wait until you get to The Shining moment when the hot young squaw turns into Elizabeth Warren.

            1. (((Renegade)))   9 years ago

              NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I will NOT ace out Crusty.

      2. prolefeed   9 years ago

        Yeah, the Latina / Italian looking girl on the left looks like she might have some Indian blood -- but either way, smoking hot.

        1. JW   9 years ago

          I'm sure that the effect of the feathers looking like 2 splayed legs sticking straight up into the air is a totes coincidence.

        2. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

          "Do you have any Indian in you?"
          "No"
          "Do you want some?"

      3. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

        It helps that the way her hair falls over her shoulders makes it appear, at first glance, like she may be topless...

    3. Weekend at Hillary's, Jr.   9 years ago

      Bottom right is the only one that I maybe wouldn't, but I still would.

      1. prolefeed   9 years ago

        She's still 18. And IMO she's maybe the third-least-hot. The one in the center is the least hot, followed maybe by the one to her left.

        1. Weekend at Hillary's, Jr.   9 years ago

          She's still 18.

          Eighteen!? Yuck! *vomits*

    4. gaoxiaen   9 years ago

      +1 Kawliga

  7. Citizen X   9 years ago

    "I am hopeful that the concept of "cultural appropriation" is a passing fad: people with different backgrounds rubbing up against each other and exchanging ideas and practices is self-evidently one of the most productive, fascinating aspects of modern urban life," says Shriver.

    This, this, this. The fight against "cultural appropriation" is one of the more blatantly stupid battles in a social justice war fraught with stupidity.

    1. (((Renegade)))   9 years ago

      It's not as much stupid (though it IS stupid) as it is subversive. It is a direct attack on the actual American exceptionalism, the thing that makes us strong, vibrant, and creative in ways that (for example) European countries cannot be.

      1. Zeb   9 years ago

        That's an interesting point. But I'm still just stuck on the stupidity of it.

        Unless you are part of a tribe that has been in an isolated valley for 1000 years or something, your culture is appropriated from others. And that is one of the greatest things about human culture.

        1. (((Renegade)))   9 years ago

          American culture in particular is adept at picking out and combining features of other cultures a la carte and combining them in a hybrid-vigor sort of way. There's a dynamism about it that you just don't see elsewhere. So of course it must be opposed.

          1. B.P.   9 years ago

            The croissandwich, for instance.

      2. DarrenM   9 years ago

        One thing that makes any culture strong is the willingness to adopt practices and values from other cultures. Allowing this to wither is another step toward cultural suicide.

    2. JW   9 years ago

      Most of these idiots have no problem appropriating the symbols and tools of the dominant culture of the European-Americans. They use the clothing and fashion norms, language, foods and technology unabashedly.

      I wonder why that is?

      1. Zeb   9 years ago

        That's different. See, in those cases they are not appropriating culture, they are victims of cultural imperialism. Because obviously no one actually likes American culture, technology, entertainment or anything.

        1. JW   9 years ago

          I'm going to demand the removal of blue jeans from every non-Euro-American I see.

          1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

            By every "non-Euro-American" you mean "everyone who isn't a Jewish tailor" of course.

            1. JW   9 years ago

              Hey now, they were popularized by my broke, drunk Irish ancestors.

              1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                That's what you traded corned beef for? Levis?

                1. JW   9 years ago

                  Damn it. Now I'm hungry.

          2. B.P.   9 years ago

            I think I'd be a bit more selective about these jeans-removal demands.

  8. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

    the protectors of Native American culture are a more militant identity group than the protectors of samurai culture

    Probably because as far as the SJW culture warriors are concerned Asians are considered to be the same as whites on the official Hierarchy of Victimhood.

    Also, would.

  9. Untermensch   9 years ago

    "pull on some leiderhosen"

    I think she meant Lederhosen, but in this context "regretfully pants" seems to characterize what her opponents want everyone (who isn't them) to wear?

    1. R C Dean   9 years ago

      Google translates it as "unfortunately".

      I think "Unfortunate Pants" are already a thing. Walmart must sell them for cheap.

  10. JW   9 years ago

    Hmph? Isn't that....?

    Ah, I almost had a faint inkling of giving a fuck about the latest orgy of cultural idiocy. It passed.

  11. Drave Robber   9 years ago

    That face paint looks like appropriated from Latvianicehockeyfan tribe.

  12. straffinrun   9 years ago

    Public shaming is cultural revolution appropriation.

  13. Sheriff Bart   9 years ago

    Not only are they smoking hot, but that poster is an amazing work of art.

  14. Rhywun   9 years ago

    I heard some white girls were wearing fake dreads at NY fashion week yesterday, and vapours were had.

  15. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

    Some of the people attacking the girls' basketball team pointed out that none of them were Native Americans, but there's no way to prove that: one or more of them might very well have Native American ancestors.

    No shit. My wife has blonde hair and blue eyes, but is part Cherokee (1/32nd, IIRC). She's probably more Cherokee than Fauxcohontas. I'm also blonde with hazel eyes, yet I'm part Cherokee as well as Choctaw.

    But who the fuck cares anyway?

    1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

      I went to a high school with an Indian mascot. Actually, it was the same mascot as Dartmouth's. We were the "Little Green" to their "Big Green". However, Dartmouth changed their mascot in the 70s to a fucking pine tree before settling in 2003 on, I shit you not, an anthropomorphic beer keg. Anyway, when I went there, one year the cheerleaders had a little war dance thing with the mascot during football games and one of them was dressed as a "squaw". Many shrill voices stood in condemnation of this until the cheerleader wrote an article for the paper explaining that she is one of the few pure-blood Abanaki left in NH and that basically everyone could kiss her perky brown ass.

      As of 2016, our mascot is still an Indian brave with gangrene.

      1. Rhywun   9 years ago

        Way to endorse date rape, Dartmouth.

      2. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

        an anthropomorphic beer keg.

        Let me guess: they opened up the nomination/ voting for a new mascot to the student body, and this is what they voted for in a display of epic trolling, a-la South Park's "Douche vs. Turd" episode?

        At least I hope that's how it happened.

        1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

          Quite the opposite, actually.

          After dropping the mascot of the Indian, Dartmouth had no official mascot. Dartmouth continued to be known by its nickname of "The Big Green," but, citing the ambiguity, lack of dynamism, and intangibility of having no mascot, the Dartmouth Student Assembly proposed a student poll in spring 2003 to decide upon a new mascot. While the Moose came in first in this poll, many students remained dissatisfied with the choice, and the moose lost a final poll to "no mascot." Chris Plehal and Nic Duquette, students at the Jack-O-Lantern humor magazine, expressed interest in creating a mascot that "wasn't racist, biased or sexist, yet [was] entirely unacceptable." In an effort to force the administration to adopt a more interesting mascot, they created Keggy, an anthropomorphic keg that represents "the most obvious Dartmouth stereotype: the beer-swilling Animal House fraternity culture."[

          1. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

            Chris Plehal and Nic Duquette, students at the Jack-O-Lantern humor magazine, expressed interest in creating a mascot that "wasn't racist, biased or sexist, yet [was] entirely unacceptable." In an effort to force the administration to adopt a more interesting mascot, they created Keggy, an anthropomorphic keg that represents "the most obvious Dartmouth stereotype: the beer-swilling Animal House fraternity culture."[

            That's still some pretty good trolling. Although I am a little surprised SJW feminists haven't taken offense at the "perpetuation of date rape/ RAPE KULTUR" or some horseshit. Or maybe they have and I haven't heard about it. If so, I don't want to know. This story is enough smug SJW faux outrage for today.

        2. B.P.   9 years ago

          Hell, it might even be more awesome if the idea was generated by the administration.

          1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

            Thing is for the past 13 years the administration has failed to come up with an alternative. Thus, Keggy the Keg has been de facto selected through their abstention.

        3. Rhywun   9 years ago

          The Staten Island Yankees were stupid enough to run a renaming contest. Guess what happened next.

          1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

            The Staten Island Harambes?

          2. B.P.   9 years ago

            In the 1970s my alma mater (University of Colorado) opened voting to name the student union cafeteria. It was named after a local cannibal.

          3. mad.casual   9 years ago

            We came up with some fun, aggressive names that are definitely not your traditional minor-league names,

            Whatever, I didn't see anything that didn't fit right in with the Hilsboro Hops or the Modesto Nuts.

            I can only assume that they sell nuts at the concession stand in Modesto and that the come bagged in a cup.

          4. Ted S.   9 years ago

            The team's theme song is by Rick Astley?

          5. gagster   9 years ago

            Will Smith didn't even consider the Staten Island Legends?

    2. Weekend at Hillary's, Jr.   9 years ago

      I'm part Cherokee as well as Choctaw.

      Your baby, is she a Chippewa, a one of a kind?

      1. (((Renegade)))   9 years ago

        There's a "would-chippewa" joke in there somewhere.

      2. DesigNate   9 years ago

        I hate you for getting that stuck in my head now.

    3. Certified Public Asshat   9 years ago

      I was born here, I am also a Native American.

    4. Ceci n'est pas un woodchipper   9 years ago

      My father, like most southern rednecks, claimed some Cherokee heritage. Doubtful, but who knows? My family's from Alabama (I'm from the Maryland branch) so it's the right neighborhood.

  16. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

    Aren't the bully's appropriating teenage girl culture? Sounds pretty hypocritical.

    1. JW   9 years ago

      Heather's Feathers?

  17. prolefeed   9 years ago

    The same people who will bitch about tiny Native American tribes' languages and cultures going extinct when the last member of the tribe dies will bitch about this, which is when the culture and language thrives. Apparently they want just the right amount so things never change, sort of like the whiny bitches who want the climate to remain forever unchanged.

    Basically, they are literally the definition of conservatives -- they want to conserve the status quo -- though if you called them conservatives they would likely have a meltdown.

    1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

      when the last member of the tribe dies will bitch about this, which is when the culture and language thrives

      Perhaps I just need another cup of coffee to counteract the allergy meds, but would you mind unpacking that for me, please?

      1. prolefeed   9 years ago

        I've seen whiny articles about some Native American language going extinct, because none of the kids in the tribe speak it, or the tribe is down to one 90 year old. The sort of SJW who obsess about that, will also obsess about "cultural appropriation" where we name actual states after Indian words, and have hot schoolgirls dress up in traditional garb, thus ensuring that at least some of the culture and language survives and even thrives.

        I suppose I could have spelled it out better the first time, but who the fuck reviews their posts before hitting submit?

        1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

          So all we need for hot schools to dress in skimpy national costumes is to write about language extinction?

          Everyday, I become more convinced that I made the right life choices.

          1. Rhywun   9 years ago

            Who knew that every culture boils down to cheerleader outfits?

            1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

              19th Century romantic nationalists?

            2. Citizen X   9 years ago

              Me, in 9th through 12th grade?

  18. The Grinch   9 years ago

    Bullying someone I agree with is the worst thing ever, bullying someone I disagree with is acceptable-necessary even. It's really pretty simple.

  19. Lee Genes   9 years ago

    whatEVer

  20. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

    Shirk's correct, in the sense that a samurai-themed poster probably would have also raised the ire of the PC mob, though the protectors of Native American culture are a more militant identity group than the protectors of samurai culture, at least in my experience.

    "At least in my experience...." Fuck you, Robby. We all know the hair is a side-effect of your cosplay hobby.

    1. straffinrun   9 years ago

      Wonder what they'd make of this?

      1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

        Every day the Yamato people stray further from Amaterasu's light.

        1. straffinrun   9 years ago

          They don't believe that nonsense anymore. It's been accepted they come from the filthy Chinese and sneaky Koreans.

          1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

            I believe!

            1. straffinrun   9 years ago

              *Sigh* Ok, that took a while to figure out. It's also known as "The Go-All-The-Way" song. And he never misses his mark.

              1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                I used to have a link to a cool video (non-Youtube) of an reenactment of a Boshin War skirmish, where the Meiji troops marched to Tonyarebushi before engaging in combat with a squad of Yoshinobu 's Shinsengumi.

                1. straffinrun   9 years ago

                  Don't know much at all about that time period. Spent last year going over Sengokujidai battles and skirmishes. If you find it, post it sometime.

  21. Zeb   9 years ago

    the headdress is sacred in Native American tradition, and only men were allowed to wear it

    Then if you follow the Native American tradition (which one? and why isn't it offensive to talk about Native Americans as if they are all one thing?) don't let women wear your head dress.

    I find this line of argument particularly irritating. Everything is probably sacred to someone. You can't expect everyone to fall in line with whatever superstitions people come up with.

    1. Eternal Blue Sky   9 years ago

      My religion's holy book specifically allows any and all clothing and forms of dress.

      That's right.

      No matter what you're wearing, or even if you are wearing nothing, you are APPROPRIATING MY CULTURE.

      1. Weekend at Hillary's, Jr.   9 years ago

        if you are wearing nothing, you are APPROPRIATING MY CULTURE.

        Is that why I always feel such shame when I'm naked?

        1. prolefeed   9 years ago

          It might have more to do with WHAT you're doing while naked.

          Retire the gerbils, midgets, and wesson oil, and you'll be fine.

        2. DarrenM   9 years ago

          Don't worry about it. Everyone feels shame when your naked.

  22. prolefeed   9 years ago

    I'm wondering if any SJW has ever worn green and drunk green beer on St. Patrick's Day, or even gone into an Irish pub?

    Because I would mock the fuck out of them for culturally appropriating part of my heritage.

    1. JW   9 years ago

      I think we need to lay a little James Tiberius Kirk on them and all of this Yang worship words bullshit they're spewing.

      He'll straighten them out.

      1. prolefeed   9 years ago

        It's been a while since I watched Star Trek (when it first came out in the 60s).

        Got a link to that episode?

        1. JW   9 years ago

          I always deliver. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGO-SldLrNA

          1. (((Renegade)))   9 years ago

            I always deliver.

            OK, I'll have an order of the eggrolls, ma po dofu, extra hot, and some fried rice, please.

            1. JW   9 years ago

              [Points and screeches] APPROPRIATOR!

              1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                Chinese food, along with mahjong, is deeply ingrained part of Jewish culture. For example every 12/25 is Yom ha-Mishloha Mazon.

                1. JW   9 years ago

                  See? The fucking (((Jews))) steal everything!

              2. (((Renegade)))   9 years ago

                [Points and screeches]

                Remember, I still haven't calculated your tip.

                1. Citizen X   9 years ago

                  +4%

          2. Mongo   9 years ago

            It's a howler of an episode with three knockout fistfights in it.

      2. Mickey Rat   9 years ago

        I am... Kirok!!

        Wait, wrong episode.

    2. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

      Irish people are white (even though they were once hated as much if not more than non-whites), therefore appropriating their culture is OK. Because they're now considered "oppressors."

      Congratulations, you've now climbed to the top of the Hierarchy of Victims. Your prize: the spite and loathing of SJW cunts everywhere for not being "ethnic."

      1. prolefeed   9 years ago

        Well, not reviled everywhere. Certainly not at home. My GF is arguably kind of a SJW, though she is perhaps too respectful of my opinions to qualify. And it's harder to argue about cultural appropriation when she, and every member of her family, is in a relationship with someone who is not black and thus of a different culture.

        1. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

          My GF is arguably kind of a SJW, though she is perhaps too respectful of my opinions to qualify.

          If she doesn't smugly dismiss your opinions and write off everything you say as the mindless ramblings of a badthinker, then she's not an SJW. A liberal or progressive, perhaps, but not an SJW.

      2. WTF   9 years ago

        People tend to forget that 100 years ago, Irish and Italians were not considered "white".

        1. OBJ FRANKELSON   9 years ago

          Don't forget those dirty Slavs.

    3. R C Dean   9 years ago

      I'm wondering if any SJW has ever worn green and drunk green beer on St. Patrick's Day, or even gone into an Irish pub?

      Unlikely. Acting like a normal human being and enjoying yourself don't seem to be their things.

  23. B.P.   9 years ago

    When these people throw their culture war hissy fits, they know they're pushing people into the Trump camp, right? It's all fine and good when the good people of Deadspin, humanities departments, etc., pitch their bitches for the benefit of each other, but this is every-day mainstream news now. I flipped on ESPN Sportscenter at 10 pm last night, and the two major stories were North Carolina bathroom laws and an 8-minute interview with soccer star Megan Rapinoe about her kneeling during national anthems, starting a conversation about social justice, etc. Now, I don't really have an opinion about the anthem-kneeling business*, but I bet a lot of people who plop down in the evening to catch a few scores are thinking "Fuck this shit. Give me whatever is the opposite of this."

    *(If I thought really hard about it, I could probably conjure up an opinion, but really I don't care one way or the other)

    1. robc   9 years ago

      The Rapinoe one is hilarious.

      The DC owner made the decision to have the anthem played while the players were still in the locker room and Rapinoe threw a hissy fit because she didnt get to showboat.

      Good for him.

      1. Rhywun   9 years ago

        She knelt last night - at a match that was supposed to be celebrating the retirement of another player. So classy.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

      Now, I don't really have an opinion about the anthem-kneeling business*, but I bet a lot of people who plop down in the evening to catch a few scores are thinking "Fuck this shit. Give me whatever is the opposite of this."

      Exactly this.

    3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

      Relevant

      1. B.P.   9 years ago

        I didn't know of Bill Burr until recently. He's starting to grow on me.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

          That last sentence of yours made me think of exactly what Bill Burr keeps griping about. I just wanna sit down, tap out from the daily news and watch a damned game!

  24. Ron   9 years ago

    cultural appropriation the ultimate in complimenting of that culture be proud of the appropriation.

    there all asses since appropriation only applies when a person takes credit for something created by other cultures they are not doing that here

    1. prolefeed   9 years ago

      That was almost Agile Cyborgian in its rambling stream of consciousness, but Needs Moar Drugs to get the full effect.

      1. Ron   9 years ago

        are you saying I need more drugs or you need more drugs or de we both need more drugs. either way you may be right

        1. straffinrun   9 years ago

          *Hands ron an empty roll*

        2. prolefeed   9 years ago

          I'm saying that was about a 6 out of 10 on the AC (Agile Cyborg) scale. Which is pretty good. An AC 10 post is a delight to read.

  25. robc   9 years ago

    My HS was the Redskins, we were the only school to have Lonesome Polecat (the Indian from Li'l Abner) as their mascot, we were granted permission before Al Capp died.

    In the 90s, some proto-SJW threw a fit and they changed to the Red Hawks.

    Lonesome is still on the sign at the entrance to the parking lot, at least the last time I drove by, which was probably a decade ago.

    1. robc   9 years ago

      I am not sure where Diane Sawyer or Wes Unseld (The two most famous alumni of my HS) came down on the whole Redskin/Red Hawk issue.

    2. B.P.   9 years ago

      And then the offended parties swept northeast to the University of Miami, Ohio.

      1. robc   9 years ago

        I think it was the other order, but would have to check timing.

      2. Atlas Slugged   9 years ago

        I think you mean Miami University in Oxford Ohio and not the University of Miami in Miami Florida.

        1. Atlas Slugged   9 years ago

          As a side note, Miami University (OH) was founded in 1809, Florida did not become a state until 1845.

          1. A frilly pink thing   9 years ago

            No one cares.

  26. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

    "... people with different backgrounds rubbing up against each other and exchanging ideas and practices is...."

    Nudge, nudge, wink wink, say no more .

  27. Ken Hagler   9 years ago

    "Some of the people attacking the girls' basketball team pointed out that none of them were Native Americans, but there's no way to prove that: one or more of them might very well have Native American ancestors."

    It seems very unlikely to me that the entire team is made up of immigrants, and if any of them were born in America, thus making them Native Americans, it would be easy to prove it by looking at their birth certificates.

    1. Weekend at Hillary's, Jr.   9 years ago

      Well, they're not native-native.

    2. robc   9 years ago

      Are you one of those "land bridge" conspiracy theorists?

      You don't think the Indians sprung forth from the Earth in the Americas?

  28. Suthenboy   9 years ago

    Surely people are going to get enough of this shit and just start telling the SJW retards to fuck off. It cant happen soon enough for me.

  29. Eternal Blue Sky   9 years ago

    "Several people pointed out on Facebook that the headdress is sacred in Native American tradition, and only men were allowed to wear it."

    Those people are wrong. The headdress, at least in certain cultures, was the uniform of the tribe's warchief. Most of the time, this position was given to men, but not always. Like in the Crow nation the title has to be earned by doing a bunch of challenging military actions, thus the Crow only have one current warchief who was a badass WWII vet, Joe Medicine Crow. But since the title was earned, theoretically anyone could get the title, so there was notably Running Eagle, the woman who did the challenges and won the title herself. Though the Crow also gave her a man's name and a wife after she earned the title... so maybe in a sense "only men" were allowed the title, in that women who attained that position were retroactively declared to be men...

    1. B.P.   9 years ago

      So, the Crow pioneered transgenderism? Awesome.

      But where did Running Eagle go to the bathroom?

      1. Eternal Blue Sky   9 years ago

        She was a badass warchief known for an incident where she chased down the enemy on horseback screaming while dual wielding rifles.

        She went to the bathroom wherever the fuck she wanted.

        *Also correction on my original post, Running Eagle was Blackfoot, not Crow.

      2. Marcus Aurelius   9 years ago

        But where did Running Eagle go to the bathroom?

        mostly on the shoulders of unsuspecting passersby.

    2. JayU   9 years ago

      So what you're saying is even the butch Indians were lesbians?

  30. Mongo   9 years ago

    Any of these gril's have the last name of Hand Like Jackhammer by any chance?

    I need to have a talk with her.

  31. waffles   9 years ago

    The same issue with feather headdresses shows up around burning man. Inevitably you will see some eastern european tall and skinny model type wearing some absurd giant feather headdress. The photo will get posted and hundreds will complain then dozens will complain about the complainers. I see no end to this cycle. It's not like the people producing and wearing these things really give a fuck. That's the problem. Never care.

  32. Certified Public Asshat   9 years ago

    *Tips hat*

    First seen in the lynx.

  33. JW   9 years ago

    NOW I KNOW WHY THE ITALIAN MAN WAS CRYING.

  34. JW   9 years ago

    THAT'S *IT*, FUCKING SJWS! No fucking Spaghetti-O's for you!

  35. Chipwooder   9 years ago

    I have two friends who are Indians - one is Navajo and Hopi, the other is Lipan Apache. They both think white people getting outraged on their behalf is hilarious, particularly since they've both been told by lefty types in patronizing terms that they're bad Indians for not giving a shit about the names of sports teams.

    They also both prefer American Indian to Native American, although my Navajo friend would rather be just be called Navajo..

    1. (((Renegade)))   9 years ago

      although my Navajo friend would rather be just be called Navajo..

      My Navajo friend prefers being called Kenny.

      1. commodious the pulchritudinous   9 years ago

        They marginalized Kenny! Those bastards!

      2. Chipwooder   9 years ago

        *golf clap*

      3. Citizen X   9 years ago

        Which is weird, because his name is Robert.

        1. Johnny Hit n Run Paulene   9 years ago

          but everyone knew him as Nancy

    2. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

      In my (limited) experience, it's usually not "real Indians" who get all pissy about this shit but smug leftist SJWs who are (at best) maybe 1/64th Indian, and are self loathing white people desperate to be "ethnic" and/ or be seen "caring" about oppressed minorities. It's all social signaling and self loathing.

      1. JayU   9 years ago

        If I remember correctly, about 80% of Indians didn't give a shit about what the Redskins called themselves.

  36. 10mm   9 years ago

    I am offended and outraged against any American Indian that wears shorts & a t-shirt. They are stealing my SoCal cultural identity!

    1. robc   9 years ago

      I refuse to wear jorts and appropriate Florida Man's culture.

  37. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

    and only men were allowed to wear it

    Let that sink in for a moment.

  38. The Fusionist   9 years ago

    Hail to the Redskins !
    Hail to victory !
    Braves on the war path !
    Fight for old D.C !

    (and the original version is even more fun)

  39. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

    Anyway, I suppose I question the wisdom of having "Indian" as your mascot?but that's the school's fault, not the girls'. People are free to complain about whatever they want, of course.

    BTW, don't the Aggies have a mascot of a cowboy? A caricature in fact? That's insulting to cowboy culture everywhere.

    1. The Fusionist   9 years ago

      And don't get me started on the Fighting Irish.

    2. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

      If you're talking about the Texas A&M Aggies, their mascot is a dog.

      Although there's multiple "Aggies" out there. I believe the New Mexico A&M Aggies have a retarded cowboy.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

        I'm from New Mexico... no one cares about Texas A&M. OSU has the same retarded cowboy, in reverse.

      2. B.P.   9 years ago

        Best part about the aTm dog... When Kyle Stadium was remodeled, thus obscuring the view of the scoreboard from the vantage point of the doggie burial ground, they built a tiny scoreboard for the benefit of the deceased.

      3. commodious the pulchritudinous   9 years ago

        "Everyone's a lobo! WOOF WOOF WOOF!"

      4. commodious the pulchritudinous   9 years ago

        Also, a conquistador.

  40. Suthenboy   9 years ago

    Are these same people going to give the Indians grief about culturally appropriating blue jeans and chevrolets?

    1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

      They do. But then it's called "consumerism".

  41. Longtobefree   9 years ago

    Last time I looked, "we" won the wars. The parts of "their" culture "we" want to appropriate are "ours" as spoils of war.
    (sort of how "they" took what "they" could from the peoples who were on the lands when "they" moved in.)
    Note:
    I used "we" and "they" because this applies to all culture clashes resolved by force of arms; not just those in North America during the westward movements. History books are written by the winners.

    1. DarrenM   9 years ago

      It's not uncommon for a society that was defeated in a war to win the "war" between cultures, or at least have a very strong influence on the conqueror.

  42. Suthenboy   9 years ago

    "Anyway, I suppose I question the wisdom of having "Indian" as your mascot..."

    Oh FFS, you just couldn't resist, could you Robbie?

    Why, pray tell, do you question the wisdom of having a brave warrior as a mascot? Why the fuck would anyone be offended by it? It's a goddamned compliment. This is retarded raised to the tenth power.

    1. SugarFree   9 years ago

      Do you need a trigger warning before you read a Robby article?

      1. Suthenboy   9 years ago

        Apparently I do.

        1. SugarFree   9 years ago

          I think he laughs at us all while combing his hair.

          1. Citizen X   9 years ago

            That's fifteen straight hours a day of laughing. Is it any wonder he posts the links late?

    2. commodious the pulchritudinous   9 years ago

      Because it mythologizes a people, not a warrior caste. Which is why the Atlanta Braves are acceptable but the Washington Redskins should change their name to the Scalpers.

    3. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

      This was covered upthread. You realize there's a good chance he's trolling you and some of the other usual suspects in the commentariat, right?

      1. Azathoth!!   9 years ago

        He's not.

        He was doing it before there was an immediate outrage brigade.

  43. macsnafu   9 years ago

    It's simple. Someone who doesn't "approppriate" culture is someone who HAS no culture. Now where did I put that Hawaiian hulu girl dancer bobble-head?

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

      +1 Canadian.

      1. Citizen X   9 years ago

        The tragedy of Canada is that it could have had French food, American technology, and British culture; instead it got British food, French technology, and American culture.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

          I like the joke I originally heard,

          A country supposed to be of American Know How, French Culture, British law and order, instead, it's a country of British know how, American culture, and French law and order.

  44. You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

    Several people pointed out on Facebook that the headdress is sacred in Native American tradition

    Oooh, it's sacred! Oh no!

    *shits on Bible*

    1. Cynical Asshole   9 years ago

      The "funny" thing is many of these people probably wouldn't think twice about someone publicly wiping their ass with pages from a Bible as some kind of performance art/ protest against EVUL CHRISTFAGZ.

  45. bonnie1lass   9 years ago

    America is the great melting pot. There can be no cultural appropriation here. We are all "Irish" on St. Patricks Day, "Mexican" on Cinco de Mayo. How many cultural "history" months do we all celebrate or pay recognition to? How many of us have a mixed bag for our heritage? Should we embrace our culture based on our percentage of ancestors? So maybe we would celebrate 24% German, 16% Irish, 8% Native American, 2% Chinese and ......

    There can be no cultural appropriation in a melting pot.

    1. Batgirl Esq.   9 years ago

      ^ This. America as a melting pot is what I was taught in school (way back when). Who knew those nuns were secretly promoting cultural appropriation.

    2. The Fusionist   9 years ago

      "Hey, baby [hic], do you have any Irish in you? Do you [hic] want some?"

    3. Rhywun   9 years ago

      That is why today's leftists reject the "melting pot".

  46. TheZeitgeist   9 years ago

    Image itself is very well thought-out, composited, edited, etc. Exceptional work from high school level.

  47. DesigNate   9 years ago

    This entire comment section is why Virginia Postrel hates us.

  48. KerryW   9 years ago

    Cultural appropriators unite! Here's a
    webpage describing how to make a Native American headdress.

  49. Warren   9 years ago

    Cultural appropriation is a tradition of my people. We've been furnishing civilization with the adornments and trinkets of lesser peoples for over a thousand years.

  50. R C Dean   9 years ago

    I mean, if we're supposed to erase all references to non-white/Euro culture from the public square, we can do that, sure.

  51. OBJ FRANKELSON   9 years ago

    From the FB post:

    I guess I will never know what it's like to be native.. I'm too busy paying taxes and not doing meth..

    I do appreciate true troll artistry such as this.

  52. The Immaculate Trouser   9 years ago

    The girls look fierce as hell

    And yet when I as a middle-aged man wear that same fierce outfit for a tasteful photoshoot in the park, joggers avoid making eye contact with me while pulling out their mace.

    #triggered

  53. loki   9 years ago

    Love to see the keggies take on the fighting irish!

  54. Uncle Jay   9 years ago

    RE: Bullying Teen Girls: Is It Okay If They Were Appropriating Native American Culture?
    Tomahawks for social justice

    Appropriating any else's culture is just plain wrong.
    We should have never stolen Greek concepts of mathematics, philosophy or medicine. We should have never stolen Roman ideas of law, language and engineering. We never should have stolen the France's idea of wine making. We never should have stolen German concepts of beer making, etc.
    Instead, we would have been much better off living in caves, eating roots, berries, bark and the few wild animals we could get with our bare hands, and drink from streams and rivers.
    Our shame is eternal for stealing other people's ideas.

  55. Real American   9 years ago

    the only thing wrong with having an Indian as a mascot is that it fails to recognize that though the Indians might have won a few battles here and there, and were often vicious fighters (especially against each other), in the end, they were a bunch of losers. They got dominated thoroughly by the superior European/American civilization - militarily, culturally, economically, technologically and diplomatically. Why have those people as your mascot?

    1. DarrenM   9 years ago

      Most battles Indians were in were with other Indians, so while you may have had a winner you also had a loser.

  56. DarrenM   9 years ago

    There are many tribes of Indians. At some point, one tribe started using headdresses. This would mean all the other tribes are guilty of cultural appropriation. Alternatively, if people insist on treating all Indian tribes as one big tribe, this is completely contrary to the sacred concept of multiculturalism. Also, it would be racist to behave as if all Indians are the same, with the same values and the same beliefs. Those who go on about "cultural appropriation" in this instance are guilty of stereotyping American Indians.

  57. Sigivald   9 years ago

    For my part, as a German-American on both sides, I'm more than happy for anyone who doesn't share my genetic pedigree to don a Tyrolean hat, pull on some leiderhosen, pour themselves a weisbier, and belt out the Hoffbrauhaus Song.

    In HS German class, they made us do that.

    I feel victimized by being forced to appropriate Teutonic culture.

    (In Muenchen steht ein Hofbraeuhaus.

    EIN.

    ZWEI.

    G'SUFFA..)

    1. DarrenM   9 years ago

      Did they force you to listen to Wagner, too?

  58. PlaystoomuchHALO   9 years ago

    All cultures appropriate from other cultures - ALL of them.

    The entire argument is stupid....

  59. CraigL   9 years ago

    Let's see, Asians count as white (and get down-graded on their college applications)...but didn't Indians walk over from Asia at one time...thus being Asian? Are they at the top or bottom of the,ahem, totem pole? or both?

  60. JB Say   9 years ago

    Cutest team of basketball players I've ever seen.

  61. josh   9 years ago

    isn't the underlying point of culture that it's supposed to be spread (a.k.a appropriated)?

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