New Poll: Gary Johnson Support 'Essentially Unmoved Even After' Aleppo
NBC/SurveyMonkey shows 11% for Libertarian; meanwhile solid majorities favor debate-inclusion no matter how you ask the question

NBC/SurveyMonkey is out today with its latest weekly presidential poll, which shows the headline race tightening slightly--42 percent to 40 percent for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump in a four-way race, compared to 41-37 the week before; with the two-way race at 48-44 compared to the previous 48-42. Libertarian-watchers, however, will be particularly interested in this sentence from the NBC News write-up: "Libertarian Gary Johnson maintains 11 points, essentially unmoved even after his 'Aleppo' campaign gaffe[.]"
Does this mean, as The Week interpreted the results, that "Gary Johnson comes out of 'What is Aleppo' gaffe unscathed"? I think that conclusion is premature.
The poll was taken from Sept. 5-11; the Aleppo incident took place early on the morning of Sept. 8, or at the halfway point. While, as I pointed out in a post Sunday, two of the three other national polls whose survey period overlapped with Sept. 8 produced poll highs for Johnson (and the third represented an increase over three weeks previous), we won't get a true picture until we start getting some fully post-Sept. 8 results. And though NBC described today's Johnson number as "essentially unmoved," it's still down one percentage point from his high of 12 percent the previous week. (The three polls before that featured Johnson at 11 percent; one of the interesting notes from this election is how stable the third-party candidates' numbers have been.)
I fully expect Aleppo to have no visibly measurable impact, but we'll see. Meanwhile, PolitiFact has taken upon itself to fact-check Libertarian vice presidential nominee William Weld's assertion during a recent reddit "Ask Me Anything" exchange that "76 percent of all voters in the United States say they want Johnson-Weld, by name, in the presidential debates." In the course of what feels like a pretty trivial exercise, the organization does provide some useful breakdown of the three polls showing clear majorities of Americans desiring to see third-party candidates in the upcoming presidential debates.
"The 76 percent figure comes from a Suffolk University poll conducted for USA Today [between Aug. 24-29] and released Sept. 1," PolitiFact notes, and the relevant question was "If a third-party presidential candidate is certified by a majority of state ballots, should he or she be included in the debates this fall." Results: 76 percent "yes," 17 percent "no," 7 percent undecided/refused to say.
An Aug. 18-24 Quinnipiac survey asked, "Do you think that Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate for president, should be included in the presidential debates this year, or not?" Results: 62 percent said "yes," 29 percent "no," 9 percent don't know/didn't answer. And an Aug. 29-30 sampling by Morning Consult asked, "Should Gary Johnson be included in the presidential debates?" Results: 52 percent "yes," 22 percent "no."
The Republican/Democrat-controlled Commission on Presidential Debates, which serves as a self-appointed gatekeeper of which candidate does and does not qualify for inclusion in the debates, is scheduled to announce its decision about who makes the Sept. 26 face-off in "mid-September." The Libertarian Party ticket, which continues to put a brave face on meeting the CPD's debate criteria, has recently shifted focus somewhat to planning for real-time counter-programming outside the debates.
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What if they do replace Hillary with Biden? Does that move Johnson up or down?
I fail to comprehend how anyone can take Biden seriously, but then again, look at the two candidates we have right now.
I'm not sure what would be more entertaining - Hillary vs. Trump in the debates or Trump vs. Biden.
Biden is a much better debater than Hillary. His lies have gravitas.
Biden/Trump debate would be lulz gold. I mean, sure, sad day for America and all that, but comedy gold.
Octagon or GTFO.
Hell, I'd vote for crazy uncle Joe, just for the creepy pics and transAm on the white house lawn.
You mean like this?
You made my morning brighter, and I thank you.
You mean like this?
If those plugs get wet they're ruined.
"Biden moves Johnson up and down"
What am I saying?
"What if they do replace Hillary with Biden? "
Why don't they just simplify the general election ballots to say:
[ ] Democrat
[ ] Republican
[ ] Wasted vote
How about Reason talking about how CNN ruined the polls by removing the 18 to 34 year old voters from their labor day polling numbers. That's almost 30 million registered voters. Turner's poll ruined any other poll from getting him into the debates but no one is taking them to task. Page 32 of Turners own papers show the facts.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2.....or.day.pdf
Page 21 answers your question:
Crosstabs on the following pages only include results for subgroups with enough unweighted cases to produce a sampling error of +/- 8.5 percentage points or less. Some subgroups represent too small a share of the national population to produce crosstabs with an acceptable sampling error. Interviews were conducted among these subgroups, but results for groups with a sampling error larger than +/-8.5 percentage points are not displayed and instead are denoted with "NA".
To test your premise, Glen 69, was there a significantly different cross-section of voters in the July 13-16 CNN poll when Johnson polled at 13% (vs 9% in this most recent one)?
How dumb of a human being do you have to be to believe that Politifact is a neutral fact checking site? Discuss.
Politifact: none of the statements made by president Obama were true, but he believed them, so true.
Stated vs. revealed. If the "debates" tank in ratings, then the commission that runs them will begin including major 3rd party candidates. If the ratings remain relatively unchanged, then people obviously don't actually give much of a damn whether they're included or not, despite what they say on polls.
I can't imagine the level of petty tyranny it would take for someone to answer "no" to this question, yet almost 20 percent of those asked answered just that.
Especially when we consider that a lot of ballot-access laws are designed to keep people like him *off* the ballot.
Foxes and hen-houses.
Just wrote almost the exact same thing, but the skwerlz ate it. Therefore, you're a skwerl.
Tamiasciurus hudsonicus or Sciurus niger?
I don't think the server squirrels come from the same species as the tree rats. They may have a distant common ancestor, but they have distinct behaviour, habitat and food.
You get a nut for that. Literally LOL'ed. Nut=kuri, and=to, squirrel=risu. Kuritorisu. Always make sure I scream that in the park when I see a squirrel eating a nut in the park. Wife hates when I do that.
Yatta!
Yatta
You beggin' for a skinning.
OH, and BTW: Gavin adds some Thuglife to Hill's spill. (From 4:25. How do you cue it up to start from there on a link?)
Under "share" there should be a checkbox for "start at" a certain time.
Thanks.
I don't want him to be in the debates, but it's not petty tyranny so much as wanting Trump and Clinton to reserve their horribleness for each other.
That's oddly romantic.
Joe Scarborough hardest hit.
Pompous outrage from Joe. Imagine that.
Never mind that Gary has talked about Syria in pretty much every interview he has done before that one.
The 'Aleppo' comment isn't going to change Gary's numbers because most of his numbers come from "He's not Hillary, Donald or Jill"
Gary will never get over Aleppo Grande.
Not super surprising. I think people expect him to get stumped by gotchas and stuff like that. This was a missed opportunity to impress some skeptics, but performing as expected by skeptics isn't going to make them more skeptical.
Aleppo is something I gave my dog at one time...
Will reason find out why CNN left out "Millennials" in their labor day poll? They decided that the 18 to 34 year olds, almost 30 million voters out of that poll. Look at page 32 of Turners own documents to find out for yourself.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2.....or.day.pdf
Page 32 refers to whether the person being polled has their mind made up or if their mind could still change.
N/A is listed for age 18-34. Clearly, this means that their minds don't play any role in determining their vote.
"28% described themselves as Democrats, 32% described themselves as Republicans, and 40%
described themselves as independents" ... so this sample is also skewed against team D
New Poll: Gary Johnson Support 'Essentially Unmoved Even After' Aleppo
As the few lucid posters here said would be the case.
because everyone knows that $hillary forgot how its spelled and trumpf the terrible couldn't even spell it in the first place even after a private education.
Donald Trump at one point suggested creating a safe zone on Syrian beaches where refugees could work in factories built by the Chinese. He suggested Mexico would pay for a border wall. He claimed he was vocally opposed to the Iraq War when in fact he voiced support publicly.
Hillary Clinton committed dozens of national security felonies and claimed she cannot remember any of them, and sold official favors with the kind of reckless abandon not seen since the days of Andrew Jackson..
Momentarily forgetting Aleppo is disqualifying? Please.
Of course it is disqualifying. There is bipartisan agreement that Johnson must be disqualified because of Aleppo.
Definition of bipartisan: Your ass will hurt twice as bad when it's over.
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The Onion's version of "Diamond Joe" Biden is the president America doesn't know it REALLY wants.