2016 Republican Convention

Republican National Convention Devolves Into Chaos With Contentious Stop-Trump Rules Vote

It's Trump's party now.

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Tom Williams/CQ Roll Call/Newscom

The Republican National Convention (RNC)n has only been going for a few hours, and it has already devolved into contention and chaos on the floor. Late this afternoon, Republicans running the convention denied a roll call vote on the convention's rules, frustrating forces opposed to presumptive GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump, who supported the maneuver.

The details are somewhat arcane, but the important thing to understand is that this was the last, last, last ditch effort by Republicans opposed to Trump, and it was quashed by the convention's leaders, resulting in shouting and chaos on the floor—and even the walkout of Colorado's delegation.

RNC rules say that a majority of delegates from at least seven delegations can petition for a roll call vote. Anti-Trump forces this afternoon said that a majority from nine delegations had signed a petition for a roll call vote. But the petition was denied after Republicans managing the convention said that three of the states had withdrawn their support for the petition. At this point, it's still unclear which states withdrew their support for the full roll call vote.

For Republicans opposed to Trump, the point of the rules vote was to replace the conventions rules with new rules that would unbind delegates and allow them to vote for anyone they wanted, regardless of the primary results in their state. The hope was that this would end with Trump not receiving a majority of delegates on the first vote, resulting in an open convention and the opportunity to replace Trump with a different presidential nominee. In addition, there were people who wanted to see changes to the 2020 candidate selection process, some of which might have made it harder for Trump to secure the nomination again. 

It was unlikely to work even if the rules vote had been approved. But it might have given anti-Trump forces the opportunity to display symbolic opposition to the nominee. They'll have to settle for a bit of floor chaos instead. 

The fact that this vote even happened shows how divisive Trump remains, despite a lot of talk of unifying around the nominee. Those opposed to Trump have suggested that the RNC may not have played fair: In an interview with MSNBC following the vote, Virginia delegate and former state attorney general Ken Cuccinelli accused the RNC's leaders of having "cheated" and "violated their own rules." A strongly worded statement by the NeverTrumpPAC essentially accuses party officials of having rigged the vote by "skirting the rules" and "strong-arming" delegates into withdrawing their support for the roll call petition. 

The refusal to allow that vote to take place, following a similar rules vote last week, also shows how fully the party apparatus has given itself over to Trump and his candidacy. We're less than a full day in, but this year's RNC has already made it clear that the GOP is now the Party of Trump.

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  1. Lock the doors from the outside.

    1. If we keep the cameras turned on and a steady stream of appetizers going in, we could keep this going indefinitely.

      1. No, I think he’s going more of Carrie’s prom sort of deal.

        1. If there is one thing Hugh is known for, it’s his ‘dirty pillows’.

          1. “I should have killed myself the first time he put it in me.”

            -Hugh

      2. By all means, keep the cameras rolling. Maybe a hot woman will strip on the main stage instead of someone like the fat slob who entertained at the Convention of Smart, Serious and Principled People the other day.

      3. They already adjourned the day session. There is only enough time scheduled to have a carefully state managed coronation. Reince suggested as much in his early remarks. It seemed clear to me that he was going to call for a voice vote regardless of what signatures had been submitted.

      4. Absolutely keep the cameras rolling, but the food supply is whatever (and whoever) is in there when the doors are locked.

        Whoever lasts longest is the Nominee.

        1. Well we know that Christie would be the last man standing, so why bother at all?

          1. Sad Camel 2016

          2. Are you kidding me? Fried Christie Chitterlings would extend the convention by another three days at least.

    2. And then we watch for the color of the smoke to find out when they’ve got their nominee? I can never remember if white smoke means they have to cast another ballot or if black smoke does.

    3. Enjoy the Uncle Dolan presidency.

  2. Political conventions are always divisive if you look closely at these rules votes.

    1. Ask Ron Paul delegates about Republican conventions and fairness.

  3. They have to quash it. If the #nevertrumps managed to oust him, Hillary would win for sure. At least staying course gives them a shot.

    1. True. Unfortunately Trump is the pony they need to ride into DC.

    2. I would think Rubio or Cruz has a better shot at winning than Trump.

      1. Trump would badmouth the whoever it was into oblivion, the media would help him because they love a circus and Trump supporters really would stay home if daddy told them to.

        1. Which is still better than the alternative that they are now going to go through with Trump: permanent oblivion.

        2. He would have done that even if he’d lost in the primaries.

          Remember when he lost Wisconsin and reneged on the pledge to support whoever the winner was, saying he had been treated unfairly? The clown goes from macho to crybaby in 2.7 seconds.

      2. Maybe if they’d won the primaries/delegates to take it on the first ballot. But they didnt, and if the nevertrumpers had manage to wrest it away through procedural last minute rule changes, enough GOPers would stay home that denying Trump the nomination would be a pyrrhic victory.

      3. You would think wrong then. Very very wrong.

        1. Indeed. Anybody but Trump guarantees a fatal wound on election day. Way too many Repubs would stay home.

          1. Wrong again. Trump is the only one guaranteed to not only lose to Clinton, but to render the GOP radioactive and politically non-viable.

            1. The trump damage is already done. Nicky has written his next 10 years worth of word vomit just based on that. And no I’m not supporting trump. I’m just saying that the brand will live or die on its own regardless of the nominee at this point.

              1. You may be right about that. It may be too late to undo the damage-but they should still try by dumping Trump. It’s the only hope for a party of the 21st century.

          2. And how many stay home because of Trump?

        2. Yeah, I think Rubio would have a better shot if he had fairly won the nomination (maybe Cruz too, but I’m not sure), but not if the nomination is pulled out from under Trump at the last minute.

          1. And yet you’re convinced that trump is going to lose anyway. So the harm for a libertarian who nominally likes the principle over pragmatic compromise is…?

            1. I was making any sort of moral judgment, I was just assessing my opinion on what the odds are at this point. I’m not even sure what you’re getting at in that last sentence.

              1. *wasn’t

              2. If he’s going to lose anyway, then dumping him is irrelevant. But good libertarians are supposed to prefer the abstraction of theory to the muddy details of compromise, so dumping him would be the logical, purist choice.

                1. I don’t consider myself a purist, for the record. Also, I think, based on principled grounds, you could object to ousting Trump on the basis that letting political party establishments exercise such power is bad and will hurt libertarian causes in the long-run.

      4. Rubio maybe, not Cruz. Trump will destroy Clinton.

      5. Nearly anybody in the GOP has a better shot at winning than Trump!

    3. Are you nuts? Ousting Trump is the ONLY hope the GOP had/has for survival. At all. With Trump, they’re toast. No future.

      1. That reads like a Trump tweet

        1. Irony.

      2. Uh huh

      3. You’re nuts Cyto. The peasants, revolting as they are, would never accept ousting of the populist blowhard. They won’t vote for someone that didn’t win the primaries. Period.

        1. The peons can stay home. There is no possibility that outweighs the damage caused by running Trump as the nominee. It’s like a needle-poke compared to a sucking chest wound.

        2. NeverTrump folks are staying home as it is, and independents are going to break for HRC.

      4. No future? Worst case Trump loses and the Republican lose a few seats in Congress. 2 years from now, people are tired of Clinton and they gain them back. Best case Trump wins and the Republicans get more in touch with the working class. Or is that the worst case?

        1. Worst case the GOP loses an absolutely golden opportunity to beat the Dems in the presidential election. Those chances don’t come around often with the electoral college map and demographics going the way they are.

          And they lose both houses of Congress, leaving the left totally unopposed in Washington.

          And in years to come, the Trump stink is going to last even longer than the Bush stink has. Plus you have these same idiots coming back 4 years from now voting for him in the primaries again. Yes, only a stupid party would nominate the same losing candidate twice, but it’s not without historical precedent.

  4. Those opposed to Trump have suggested that the RNC may not have played fair

    Honestly, after what these neocon/fundie assholes did to Ron Paul in 2012, and then shooting themselves in both feet by allowing Jeb to think another Bush is just what the country needed, I can’t think of a nicer fate than to have this all shoved in their face.

    The best part will be when they reveal that they voted for Hillary and leave the Republicans for good.

  5. this was the last, last, last ditch effort by Republicans opposed to Trump

    Oh, I doubt that.

  6. I have a friend on the platform committee. He is a nevertrumper#

    He has worked himself into enough of a lather that he really would rather see Pres Hildog than Pres Trump, supreme court nominations and all.

    Now that the rules change failed, he is all pouty and butthurt on derpbook about it. Sigh. Glad I left the GOP.

    1. Your friend is completely right.

      1. About what? Hilldog being “better” somehow than Trump? I wonder in dread about what kind of judge Trump would nominate, but I don’t have to wonder about how awful a Hillary nomination would be.

        1. Yes, Hilldog is better than Trump. There is zero reason to believe Trump’s SC picks would be any better than Hillary’s. There is reason to believe that Smoot-Hawley 2.0 would come around from a Trump presidency while not much reason to believe that of a Hillary one. Same goes for the possibility of nukes flying.

      2. Tell me, Cyto, why is nominating a candidate who is in a statistical tie nationwide, is tied or leading in swing states, and is steadily moving up in the polls, the way to win an election?

        1. Because those numbers suggest victory.

          Except this is neither here nor there since Clinton is on track to bury Trump.

          http://www.redstate.com/jaycar…..t-hillary/

          http://www.realclearpolitics.c…..-5491.html

          1. Trump’s only hope is to negotiate a format change to the debates to bring back the gong show. Or maybe def comedy jam.

            1. His negatives are so high that it’s pretty clear there is no hope for him. Hillary must be on cloud 9. Would not want to be her panties right now.

              1. You just made Gillespie start fapping.

                1. *Muffled gagging noises*

              2. Would not want to be her panties right now.

                When would you?

          2. So, Cyto links me to the RCP average (Clinton plus 3.2), and polls showing Clinton with a lead in some but not all battleground states.

            Whereas, Trump is tied or better in critical battleground states:

            http://www.politico.com/blogs/…..tes-225442

            And, the punchline is, the polls are trending Trump’s way.

            My point being, not that Trump is a lock to win, but he is very, very far from being a sure loser who should be ditched by the Party. Basically, Trump’s polling at this point is very comparable to what Republicans have done in the past few elections or so – trail the Dem by a few points going into the conventions.

            1. Hillary’s machine has barely started working on him.

              Basically, Trump’s polling at this point is very comparable to what Republicans have done in the past few elections or so – trail the Dem by a few points going into the conventions.

              The Democrats didn’t have a historically despised and distrusted candidate those times. Hillary would need a telescope to look up at Rubio or even Cruz in the polls.

      3. I’ve agreed with you all thread but I’m not agreeing with that. As terrible as he is, Trump is not as bad as Hillary.

    2. The petulant, “I’m gonna vote for this horrible candidate to get back at them!” response is no more flattering on NeverTrumpers than it is on Trumpers.

      1. And it’s funny, because I think the Bern Victims switching over to Trump outnumber them. They’re extremely butthurt mean old Hillary took their free shit away.

        1. Well that and Hil is evil.

        2. There is no reason to believe that. At all.

  7. I have a friend on the platform committee. He is a nevertrumper#

    He has worked himself into enough of a lather that he really would rather see Pres Hildog than Pres Trump, supreme court nominations and all.

    Now that the rules change failed, he is all pouty and butthurt on derpbook about it. Sigh. Glad I left the GOP.

  8. Posted this before, posting again: The GOP is finished as a serious political force. They’ll be lucky to hold the House, and they are never going to win the presidency again. George W Bush = last GOP president.

    This will push America into becoming a state of Dem-dominance like in Cali or some such blue state until a serious opposing force shows up.

    1. Too bad Nostradamus died before he had a chance to take your online prophecy course.

      1. In all fairness, Nostradamus did predict the rise of Cytotoxic, in his 44th quatrain.

    2. Posted this before, posting again: The GOP is finished as a serious political force.

      That was said before and it’ll be said again, and it’ll be just as wrong then too.

      What part of “two party system” do you not get?

      1. It was wrong then, it’s not now.

      2. The Democrats and Greens would be a two party system.

    3. A hundred years of Democrat rule! Look at the demographics!!!

      1. The Trumpocolypse will absolutely chase key growing demos into the hands of Democrats. The GOP will be the party of trailer trash and that weird racist uncle-grandpa you tolerate at Thanksgiving. This is not a viable future.

        1. It was about a decade ago people were predicting the end of the Democrat party.

          1. Idiots were wrong 12 years ago, so anybody saying something similar must be wrong today. Spot the fallacy.

    4. I thought Obama was the last GOP president.

    5. This is overdramatic (I don’t think permanent changes like that are a realistic possibility at a national level). But I do think Trump faces a big uphill climb to win the presidency, and if he fucks up it will look bad on the GOP for a while. But if/when Hillary fucks up in office, that won’t matter too much.

      1. It’s not overdramatic. This is a defining moment, and Trump has no path to the WH.

        For all the sins of my generation, Millenials really don’t do racism or bigotry. They will reject that and the Party of Trump that they see as associated with it. Like it or not, that ends the GOP’s future as a serious political force.

        1. I still think that a Democratic president in office when a major economic downturn hits will face consequences. I don’t think “But they nominated Trump 4,8,12,20+ years ago!” is going to do much to save them at that point. Even if millennials were a lost cause, the other generations are too big a % of the electorate for young people to singlehandedly sway it (especially since young people have poor turnout).

          1. Bush was in power during the housing bust. The GOP came back from that.

            Millenials are not that young anymore, and not that small a slice of the demographic, and they sometimes turn out in large numbers. They are why Trudeau is prime minister.

            1. “Bush was in power during the housing bust. The GOP came back from that.”

              Yes, but Obama has been president since then. He was by a comfortable margin in 2008 because the economy sucked (and the Iraq War was unpopular). The GOP only just took back the senate in 2014 after 8 years, 2 of which they had a filibuster-proof majority to go with a solid House majority. I’m also not sure what your point is, because I never tried to argue that an economic downturn during a Democratic presidency would doom them forever, just that it would open up an opportunity for the GOP.

              18-29 year olds have been less than 20% of the electorate. Even extending that another 5 years or so to catch the early Millenials, and you’re looking at maybe 25% of the electorate. Significant, but not enough to singlehandedly decide elections. Also, this isn’t Canada.

              1. To an 18 year old, the Reagan administration is like the Kennedy administration is for me; the fall of the Berlin Wall is like Woodstock is for me. Something old people talk about that happened long before I was born. Their entire experience of the GOP, or anything non-Democrat, has been George W Bush, which ain’t a good thing let me tell you.

                The millenials are the most Hispanic generation in American history, and the generation coming up after them is even more so. That’s not an unsolvable problem for a lot of reasons, well unless you associate somebody like Trump with your party. And I guarantee he’s coming back in 2020 after he loses this time, and you’ve got the same problem if the RNC is as spineless as they were this time around.

        2. Except winning Florida (old people) and Ohio (working class people).

        3. For all the sins of my generation, Millenials really don’t do racism or bigotry.

          Hahahahahaha

          Except for affirmative action, compelled speech, compelled commerce and thought crime, right you ignorant piece of donkey shit?

          You might seriously be the most incredibly stupid cunt that has ever posted here, inclusive of Tony and Shreek.

          1. None of those are motivated by bigotry. AA has racist effects of course, but most of the people advocating it don’t understand that.

      2. But if/when Hillary fucks up in office, that won’t matter too much.

        Because a Democrat fucking up as president guarantees victory for the GOP.

    6. You seem unclear on how congressional districts are drawn.

  9. RE: Republican National Convention Devolves Into Chaos With Contentious Stop-Trump Rules Vote
    It’s Trump’s party now.

    Yes, It’s Trump the Grump’s party now.
    One would be wise to invest in brown shirts and jackboots.
    You’ll make a killing on Wall Street.

  10. I don’t see how a precedent of changing the rules to allow the delegates to change their votes arbitrarily on the first ballot could possibly be a good thing. What if it were a clown like Trump stealing the nomination from Cruz? There would be outrage, and rightly so.

    Just because you don’t like the way the primaries turned out doesn’t mean you get to make up new rules and install your pick.

    However, voting libertarian is a valid option for the nevertrumpers now. But will they?

    1. However, voting libertarian is a valid option for the nevertrumpers now. But will they?

      I doubt it. If they’re like you’re friend who would be willing to live with a Hillary presidency, there’s no way they’d vote for Johnson.

      They’re mad that they don’t have control of the party at this point. So they’ll pull the lever for Hillary, like George Will, and hope that Republicans retain enough control of Congress to stonewall anything she does. And if the Republicans lose Congress, they’ll flitter about for a bit before finally settling in with the Democrats so they don’t feel like losers anymore, rather than, say, cultivating party figureheads of sensible members like Amash.

      1. It’s going to very interesting to see what the political off-season looks like for both parties. If the GOP implodes, I could see a fundie social conservative group forming, and a republican liberty caucus one (pro Amash types), and then whatever the pro trump populists are which includes those that split from the socialist Dem party.

        Then the dems split into the die-hard socialists, the perpetually aggrieved ones who need the govt to create safe spaces, the Greens, and…I dunno, academia and celebrities?

        The forming of coalitions would be fun to watch.

        1. Yay! 5 groups would lead to a better government. Infighting in the house and Congress. The compromises would have to be better to get enough support.

          1. Congress that gets less done might not be so bad. And there might be more debates and less obvious bribery by outside lobbies.

            But, yeah, until voters start voting this decades long career guys, 2 party is what we have.

            It was shocking to see the national GOP put up a challenger to Amash, and it was the last straw for me to ever support the GOP financially.

            1. They do not want a Paul or amash. At all.

            2. Congress that gets less done might not be so bad.

              Congress has been completely gridlocked the past 6 years. How have those gone?

              Don’t forget that Hillary is going to have a pen and a vagina.

        2. The two-party system here is too entrenched for this to happen.

          1. Nothing can’t be overcome. The Whigs died too.

            1. And they were replaced by the Republicans. We didn’t get a 5 party system.

              1. I know.

      2. So why not vote libertarian?

        Confused!

      3. Your mind-reading abilities are on the level of John.

        1. Go back to your non-immigrant neighborhood, chimpy.

    2. With Nicky’s continued diplomacy how could they not?

  11. Probably more like eventuallytrumpersafteralotofcryingintopillows

    1. Catchy! And probably true.

  12. Nowhere near enough drama for me. Super disappointed.

    1. What about the T-Swizzle/Kimye thing? Does that scratch your itch?

      1. Whatever floats your penis.

  13. “the GOP is now the Party of Trump” – This article contradicts itself. But kudos to the few brave souls who stood on the right side of history. “All that is required for evil to triumph” and all that.

  14. I hope both parties have record low turnout. Impose under their own incompetence

  15. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

    1. Your tears will be yummy.

      1. You’ll be shot when you try to come over the wall after your country’s economy is destroyed paying for it

        1. That’s OK, he’ll be taken care of by our new single payer system.

        2. Cool story bro

  16. If Ted Cruze were the presumptive nominee, would you be as critical? Trump DEFEATED the other candidates,
    By The Rules of the Party !!

    If the Party wants to CHANGE the rules, then they should do it for 2020.

    And the fact is he brought in 2 000 000 MORE VOTERS To the Republican side. We know that Cruze, Bush, Rubio,
    Kasich did not do that.

    So, honor the success, and get behind him. None of us want Hillary to win, and give herself a pardon.

    1. How cute. You think those Democrats crossing over to fuck up the GOP primary process actually support Trump.

  17. And where were all these people when Ron Paul got fucked? Oh, I remember now, they were cheering and chanting USA! USA! USA!

    Indeed. You made the shit pile, you deserve to get your nose rubbed in it.

  18. Reince Prebus has really hitched his wagon to Trump’s star.

    Unless Trump wins and they hold on to both houses of Congress, he’s out on his ass come November.

  19. For Republicans opposed to Trump, the point of the rules vote was to replace the conventions rules with new rules that would unbind delegates

    Also known as “ignore the votes of the peasants, and pick whoever we damn well please, because we’re better than you mouth breathers”.

    Basically, a coup in the party. Rulers rule, and the peasants can suck it.

    All the bozos who wanted to throw out the votes of the peasants should be identified, so that the next time they want the votes of the peasants for themselves, the peasants can give them a big finger instead.

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