UPDATED: ITV Predicts 75 Percent Chance of 'Leave' Winning Brexit Vote
Sterling down on the news.

Results from the United Kingdom's referendum on membership in the European Union is almost halfway in, and the "Leave" side leads by more than 500,000 votes with 200 out of 382 districts reporting.
ITV News now predicts the "Leave" side has a 75 percent chance of winning the vote.
The sterling plummeted on news of the first "Leave" friendly vote, especially in Sunderland, which went almost 2 to 1 in favor of Leave:

As Stephanie Slade noted, bookmakers in the U.K. had odds in favor of "Remain" by 3 to 1.
Tyler Kotesky argued earlier today why Americans shouldn't fear a "Leave" vote:
It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to free themselves from an ossified, undemocratic power structure. It's a chance for the U.K. to look beyond the continent's economic stagnation and embrace the rest of the world through free trade and fairer immigration. It's also a chance to give other EU members a fighting chance at reforming their system. Americans should embrace all of that.
Republican presumptive presidential nominee Donald Trump landed in Scotland today to open a golf course. He is not expected to attend any political meetings but has media availability tomorrow at which he is expected to comment on the Brexit vote. Trump's been supportive of the Leave vote before, but walked back his comments later. "I don't think anybody should listen to me because I haven't really focused on it very much," he said on Fox Business Wednesday.
The weather was also exceedingly poor in London, which some BBC analysts say could depress the "Remain" vote. Prime Minister David Cameron (who backed Remain) is expected to exercise Article 50 if "Leave" wins the vote, triggering negotiations with the European Union on an exit for the United Kingdom, though some pro-Leave Conservatives argue against exercising Article 50 since the referendum was a rejection of the Lisbon Treaty that it's in. "A new general election is not impossible," Jacob Rees-Mogg, a pro-Leave Conservative member of Parliament, said on BBC tonight.
We'll have final results up on the blog later!
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We fly to London on Saturday for a family vacation.
When do you recommend we exchange dollars for pounds?
Ummmm I would say don't even bother. Your greenbacks will be gladly accepted when you arrive...even though I think the stirling should sky rocket on a brexit
The pound is definitely going to drop if the UK leaves the EU
Use your credit card for purchases.
I have the fun experience with that - my credit card company accused me of defrauding myself and it took a 40-minute phone call to finally pay for my hotel room while trying to get out of Nottingham on time. I'd even notified them I'd be travelling beforehand.
Good thing the Sheriff of Nottingham didn't come after you.
Eventually it was sorted out, the hotel was paid and I was on my way back to the US.
You're clearly no Robin Hood.
What sort of response to hospitality is it to run out on your bill?
Is that robbin' Hood?
Exchange your dollars for ammunition.
Have fun!
And now for something completely different.
Brexit or bremain? I'm on the bredge of my breat.
Breatit!
To be followed by Grexit, Departugal, Italeave, Fruckoff, Czechout, Oustria, Finish, and Byegium.
I'm going to allow this on my comment thread because it doesn't suck.
Oh yeah? Didn't like my comment?
Well then, I am taking my brat and brall and leaving!
Yes, to be fair, yours was likely an original comment, whereas GMSM's I'd seen before (but liked). Your comment just put Jacko's song in my head so I'm working to have it removed.
Spam reported.
"Departugal" is inspired work.
Can't take credit, it's a gag that's been floating around the internets for a while now.
Let's hope we see some departugal on Saturday when Croatia sends Ronaldo home.
Bristling breakdown, broheim. Brief and breathtaking.
* brarrows braze
*brightens brazier
Trump's been supportive of the Leave vote before, but walked back his comments later. "I don't think anybody should listen to me because I haven't really focused on it very much," he said on Fox Business
The EGO on that man!
That should be his campaign's new slogan.
Did you hear his recent speech? It had a new, brilliant campaign slogan. He said something like: "Hillary's slogan is 'I'm with her.' But my slogan is: 'I'm with you, the American people!" The campaign already has T-shirts! As Scott Adams says, that's a 10/10 on the persuasion scale.
I know, I was going to say: Don't we all wish we heard things like that more often from presidents?
This shit happens in threes bitches:
1. the Limeys grow a pair and kick out those EU tossers
2. The loud-mouthed mammal with the sentient hair wins the popularity contest
3. The fat-ankle female does the frog march
Yes, in a world populated by sentient entities. Unfortunately, I predict you are wrong on all three counts.
0-1 so far. Let's hope it's 0-3 eventually.
If Leave prevails can betting markets be considered a failure?
Should anyone be surprised when they massively blew it on the General Election last year? UK polls seem notoriously unreliable now.
The polls had it pretty close. At that point it shouldn't be expected to be a sure thing either way.
Calm your horse with celebration guys. Even if the vote ends up being leave, the EU still has a chance to make a counter offer and put it to a vote again.
This is my FINAL offer...unless you don't accept it, in which case I will send my FINAL final offer.
Wasn't this foretold in Revelations?
Old Testament. "If a man lay next to an ass, he shall pull out forthwith."
"Then the angel said to me: 'The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and languages. The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire... The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."
Maybe?
Who's da Antichrist in that case?
So, it has come to this.
So are you going to stay in the UK or set up an independent Scotland?
He doesn't exist, there's no such thing as a True Scotsman.
This is why there are no libertarian women.
Kilts or GTFO.
You dinnae wan to see me ina kilt.
"Feast your eyes!"
This is why there are no libertarian women.
Kilts or GTFO.
Get a new mouse already.
From the Scots I talked to: get out of the UK, but it's crazy to leave the EU!
Those transfer payments gotta come from someone.
Oh please let it be so.
Although I know the EU will take an extremely punitive stance towards the exit so as to deter anyone else from doing the same.
I like what the Swiss said about joining the EU. That only lunatics would consider it at this point.
What kind of punitive stance could the EU take? Punish them with more regulations?
Tariffs, visas, etc...
Block future referendums, as the political classes want in, and the people all seem to want out.
Block future referendums
That doesn't sound anything like Barack Hussein Obama!
But I wonder how does Switzerland, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway remain in the Schengen but still manage to keep out of the EU?
Schengen originally started separate from the EU.
I've been noticing two things from the returns. A: turnout was above 50% in a lot of these boroughs (based on total population, mind you, not registered voters). B: few of the boroughs are close, it's all 60+% one side or another C: a lot of the bigger ones are leave (as of this comment)
This is a libertarian moment.
The Leave leader says he hopes June 23rd is known as their Independence Day. How cool is that.
It would have been much cooler with Randy Quaid flying his little plane into the giant alien ship's primary weapon.
It's funny how few voters there are in "The City of London" proper. Their total count was less than five thousand votes cast because so few people have residency in that borough.
About that...
I'm rooting for leave just because I want to live in a world where such a thing is possible.
Over the objections of the experts, the media, the politicians, the progressives, and everyone else who thinks the superstate is too big to fail, I want to believe that burning any old bridge is still possible.
I want to believe that history isn't a straight line to a superstate, with the line determined by experts, the media, progressives, . . .
I'm rooting for leave because it will hasten the demise of the euro. The sooner it fails, the less pain there will be.
That and the EU bureaucrats are twats.
I like twats....
These are not of the type you'd appreciate.
What a great twit!
This x1000
"'Leave' have won big in Sunderland."
Hell, even Everton can do _that._
What would be amazing is if Leave won in Tower Hamlets.
The Oracle of Ho'maha on Brexit.
So, why was Drudge calling a Remain victory 3.5 seconds after the polls closed? It looks very close with Leave ahead in both Wales and England. Am I missing something here?
A lot of people called remain at closing.
I don't know why, especially given that no exit polling was conducted.
They all went by the final YouGov poll it appears.
I'm showing 9% reporting with Leave ahead.
http://www.wsj.com/
If we want to know what's really going on, I guess we should be watching a live feed of euro/pound trading.
I'd certainly trust that over Drudge.
I'm checking BBC. It's showing Remain ahead, but Leave is winning big in England and Wales. It's losing in Ireland, and Scotland. Isn't most of the population in England? I don't know. But in England, Leave is way ahead.
Most of the people are in England, yes.
But I don't particularly trust the BBC on this issue.
It looks very close on every site I'm looking at. It just sort of looks like England and Wales want out and Scotland and Ireland want to stay in. Maybe there could be a war with knights and all that? I'd stay up to watch that.
There are divisions in the character of the electorate there.
I have trouble getting why people would vote remain I've heard people argue for it, but their arguments didn't make sense.
I know what I would vote if I was there. Fuck the EU.
Maybe we can have a DCexit?
Yeah, that doesn't have a cool sounding whatever-it's-called.
How about " Potomexit"?
I'll take it, whatever we call it. I'm Leave.
Instead of all 50 states leaving the union, maybe we could just kick DC out.
Down here we've been thinking over the Texit for many years now.
Last time ended badly.
Followed by an Arizo-na-na-na-hey-hey-hey-good-bye.
The feed I've been watching just had an update
*that's UK time.
Apparently, Leave are now favorite on Betfair.
And a few other betting sites.
I think it was James Carville who, when describing the politics of Pennsylvania, said that Philadelphia is the northeast, Pittsburgh is in the Midwest, and everything in between them is in Alabama.
Using that model and looking how the results are coming in, it looks like London is Philadelphia, Scotland is in California, and everything between them is in Brexit, Alabama.
Does Belfast vote in this? Do the Ulster unionists want to stay or go, I wonder? I'd bet the Irish in Ulster want the UK to stay in Europe, but that'd be hypocritical as hell, wouldn't it? Maybe they'd think it serves them right.
You know who else tried to "convince" Brits to be part of a European super state?
Claudius?
It wasn't Orwell.
H. G. Wells?
Also, "preview" isn't working, so we're performing without a net, people.
I bet there's still a lot of emotion over that kook who murdered that pro-stay politician.
If Leave loses, they'll blame him for it--and maybe rightly so.
If he'd stayed up all night trying to think of a better way to make the UK stay in the EU, he could have hardly come up with a better plan.
From a minute ago:
"A victory for Leave in Swansea, in South Wales, helped drive the pound still lower: down below $1.41, off more than 5% from just before the polls closed.
Around 2:30 a.m. in London, more than four hours after the polls had closed, Betfair had made Leave the favorite, with odds of 63%."
WSJ
http://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/eureferendum
I wonder if the odds makers have a way of looking at these maps and figuring it out. They must have something...
Looks like a dead heat to me.
That's what's driving me nuts.
It looks within 1%.
If I had to call it now, I would say that Scotland will tip it to Remain.
You have to look at the upsets. That's what driving pound trading.
They've got swing districts just like we do. Scotland is American liberal like Massachusetts. If it goes stay, that doesn't surprise anybody.
All the surprises, so far, seem to be happening in Leave's favor. That's why the pound dropped.
I see.
I really should slow down in switching between this thread and the returns feed.
I just mistakenly read some big districts backwards.
As of 0358 local time, it's Remain 50.2% Leave 49.8%.
Don't know why I got this song stuck in my head.
That Rasta way of talking . . .
They won't say "up" about something bad so they say "downpression" instead of (phonetically) "up-pression".
I wish we had a self-sufficiency, ant-oppression cult here in the U.S.
Libertarianism isn't really a cult. And Objectivism is a cult, but it isn't really libertarian.
If you really want to get insightful language, check out Lindsay Lohan's Twitter. She's offering up commentary on Brexit live.
'Leave' has won in Broxbourne, while 'Remain' has won in Orkney.
I'm thinking they're just making up names of places now just to mess with us.
Orkney is real.
According to MacAdder, it's worth ?1.50, give or take
"Orkney is real."
No it isn't. A lot of Brit isn't real.
Check out Orkney, it's supposed to be beautiful. Even if it's filled with wrongthink folk.
So, is the British Commonwealth still a thing? I'ma go wiki...
There is a commonwealh of nations descended from said british commonwealth.
I guess so.
"I'ma go wiki" and not one (not ONE!) euphemism comment.
Probably will come down to London. Most of the remaining votes are in England, and very little have come out of London, which is supposed to be far more pro-Remain than the rest of England.
Parts of the London sphere of influence are not following prediction:
"John McDonnell has suggested that this is an election where people's grievenaces are being aired"
All that remains are the feats of strength.
YOU COULDN'T SMOOTH A SILK SHEET WITH A DAME IF YOU...I lost my train of thought.
I've got a lot of problems with you people.
Yeah, but you would anyhow, right?
So, I'm listening to a live feed on Sky News and it sounds like all of the upsets/surprises are currently coming in for Leave, where Stay was expected to win. Sky News and BBC both showing Leave ahead now.
Best summation so far:
Now this really is a libertarian moment. Symbolically, I think this is huge. The day to day lives of most people won't change, but yeah, maybe those Brits still have that orneriness that history credits them with.
I have a feeling a vote for Leave is going to suffer the same fate as the name Boaty McBoatface.
They're going to get Richard Attenboro?
Now here's something you don't see in most elections:
Wow
Was just listening to some of the so called 'experts' on Sky News. They're all saying that Leave is going to win.
Then there was some politician who had to tell everyone that no matter which side wins, what is needed is MORE.TOP.MEN. Basically, in so many words, that's what he said. I mean, wasn't it top men that led to this?
They have one answer for everything.
Leave has managed a 200,000 thousand vote turn around during the time I've been watching this. They were down 130,000 votes, now up by 70,000.
Like UKIP Deputy guy said - a roller coaster.
Leave is now up 200,000 votes. 400,000 votes is quite a swing.
Now up 350,000 votes.
I think this sums it up:
Leave +500,000 votes now.
According to google it's +460,000 Leave
I wonder how much of this can be explained by the fact that some guy shot up a theater in Germany today.
From the last report I read, the gunman caused zero injuries and zero fatalities. All injuries were from the police action, as well as the sole fatality (the gunman).
A lot of confirmation bias in me wanting this guy to be right. I'm just sharing it here because I get so few iotas of joy around any election.
'Milton Keynes votes leave.'
The irony is just delicious.
Scotland votes against independence and votes to remain in the EU. Or you could have just voted for independence and then joined the EU as an independent nation. Scotland, you choose this route and your pantshitting tonight is quite lovely to watch.
What the fuck is wrong with them? Things must be pretty shitty in Scotland.
It's scotland, things have always been shitty there.
Alternatively, they could just have a desire to be part of something bigger than themselves.
Alcoholics Anooneemuss.
Richard Quest sounds a little sad.
He has a rope around his neck and penis, so I think he will be okay.
I think now, maybe Scotland is going to have to save Remain. England looks to be on an unstoppable leave roll.
"save"?
I don't really know what is wrong with the Euros. They have all of these beautiful, serene countries, and they give that up, for what? Now they have tens of millions of impoverished and unpredictable middle eastern migrants tramping through their country sides and cities. They're insane.
I know what I would think if some genius suggests that we form a North American Union with Canada and all of Central America. Oh fuck yeah, things are not already fucked up enough, let's go something really, really more fucked up! NEEDZ MOAR BIGGER GOVERNMENT!
After the Mexican war, there was an "All of Mexico" movement that advocated the complete annexation of that country by the US.
I think that would've been a good decision.
Hell yeah
54-40 or fight! Take back America's hat too!
Now they have tens of millions of impoverished and unpredictable middle eastern migrants
I would curious to see what % of the Leave voters would put immigration as their prime mover for voting as they did.
I, too, question Charlemagne's decision to allow the Jews to settle in Francia.
Brexit right-wing anti-capitalists Trump types are kicking ass!
Fuck, this looks good for the GOP in November. I am sure Hyperion is whacking off with glee somewhere as this rolls on tonight.
This will drive gold down to that $800 level you so presciently predicted.
Don't worry. Trump is the best goddamn gold president ever! He said so!
Jeb! Gold! Playa's bet! Are you ever right?
"Jeb! Gold! Playa's bet! Are you ever right?"
A middle-aged failure with a coke habit and daddy issues; you expect that pathetic excuse for excrement to be right?
Solid. Gold. Dumpster fire.
You have to be anti-capitalist to not want to be ruled by a bunch of unelected fuckwits in Brussels. Shreek loves to lick some boot, of course, and cankles too.
I love it, derp boy. Now go lick some cankles.
"Thank you everyone who voted to keep Britain stronger, safer and better off in Europe." .
IOW, Fuck you who voted to make Britain weaker, more dangerous and poorer without Europe. What an asshole.
Cameron's Twitter.
The pigfucker can piss off.
Who is this person speaking in your quote?
There are lucrative gigs to be had in Brussels for failed MPs. I can see why so many politicians are pissed about this.
Dow futures down 530 points as Trump style assholes want to close Britain off from the rest of the world.
Gold up $30.
Trump style!!!
Fog in Channel. Continent Cut Off, as the apocryphal headline was supposed to have it.
Here is your tube of Ol Soreasse's Butthurt Lotion, shreek. You know where to put it.
I have become so overjoyed, and empowered, by our weird talking friends across the pond, that, inspired by their example, I am seceding.
From where?
Sobriety.
Pbtht. Like I ever had citizenship there.
Texit.
They vote for secession in Texass soon.
Remain's going to pull this out once the late votes from the river wards come in.
Not even the 'remain' camp sounds confident of that.
They are just waiting to see how many votes they need from the Chicago precincts.
*looks around furtively*
How many do they need?
America. Fuck yeah
Maybe people will take the Texas secession movement seriously for once.
Texas has been making the same noises for a long time.
Also, it has a lot more pull in the US than the UK did in the EU.
I have higher confidence of an Article V convention than a Texit.
I was joking anyway. It's going to be the United States seceding from California.
I think in truth that next you will see Catalonia dumping Spain.
I've never gotten that. I lived there, briefly. They act like they're a different country. Except when they had the Summer Olympics.
The US should sell California to China. China would get something for their dollar holdings. Californians would get the communist government that they all want.
I was too busy today to thing about this, but I should have tossed some coin into UVXY and see what happens tomorrow.
an alternative way to make money on the VIX is wait until there's a volatility spike (above 20), then buy XIV and wait until you're back ~12. (usually 6mos).
Half a year? I don't go for that second month shit.
Go leveraged, and get out in a week.
sure, but betting on the vix is like a 1-in-50 chance of getting the timing right, whereas playing the reversal to the mean is money for dummies. the main risk is 'aftershocks' or secondary unexpected events, but regardless the vix never stays above 20 for long.
Tomorrow might be that 1 in 50. But it's too late now. I'm sleeping in.
So I just put in a limit order for 10% above the ask on UVXY. What do you think the chances are that my order gets filled by the time I wake up?
Think
No
I understand why the Brits hate Muslims. Hell, I hate all religious assholes (especially Muslims and to a lesser degree Christians).
But to sabotage your own country?
If this is the only way - more power to them.
If the UK leaves the EU they'll forever stick to the 4-4-2 formation with the same results!
I do not get the reference.
soccer?
Among the explanations why England does poorly in soccer is because they were rarely exposed to new techniques and ideas on the continent and even when they did they generally ignored it.
They stick to dated ideas and then wonder why they lose.
If they stay in the EU, there will be regulations mandating certain strategies be used.
Heh.
442
It's a kickball thing.
Sounds like a poor man's Herman Cain.
Herman Cain is a poor man's Herman Cain.
I think Trump deserves to be elected president for this comment alone.
When is the last time you actually heard a politician say, "Honestly, I have no clue, so maybe someone else is a better source on this one"?
This is the first time.
No, presidential is tomorrow when Obama lectures the Brits on how disappointed he is in them.
He's been saying it the entire time, usually couched in "I'm gonna get the best people, the best people?listen, your head is gonna spin. They're gonna be the greatest."
"I don't think anybody should listen to me..."
Ok, I'm listening to you and so I won't listen to you. Wait... Mind blown.
DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE
* Starts smoking and explodes
Great, way to break another AI cap. Kirk.
What's the chance that a Leave victory leads to another Sottish independence referendum?
I don't know... I hope they sstick to the "we won't hold more scotland referendums after this" pledge.
It's not that I have anything against scottish self-determination, but they just had that vote.
Well they could hold a referendum for Scottish independence in the other parts of the UK. I wonder how that would turn out.
the Sky News mentioned that as a possibility assuming 'Leave' wins, but they didn't have anyone with stroke say so.
All I am getting out of this so far is that there might be some limeys who are still in possession of their balls. And I learned that Scotland is giving the US a run for who is the biggest pussy Nation-State.
Is there someone impersonating you in one of the earlier threads, or do you have 2 handles with different emails?
Criminy.
I wonder if this'll inspire separatism movements in places like Quebec and/or Alberta? That'd be bitchin'.
Sorta but tot really. I suppose they can spin things their way but Quebec is more into the Catalan thing since it's all identity based.
Rufus is actually a teen age girl pretending. " I'm totes into not really"
The pound has fallen to its lowest level all year, which really means that the chances of the UK leaving the EU have never been better.
The experts are always surprised when the plebeians don't listen. They're so sure that they're on the side of the people--despite all evidence to the contrary.
It happens here in the U.S., too. Try to convince a progressive that the American people aren't behind them, and the idea just won't fit in their minds. No, no, no, the people are behind us. It's just the racists, homophobes, islamophobes, misogynists, the 1%, the Protestants, the Catholics, Wall Street, the corporations, the commuters, the frackers, the coal miners, the gun nuts, the selfish taxpayers, the suburbanites, and the ignorant who hate us.
Everyone else is on our side!
I think that leaves them the lumbersexuals and the militant bicyclists.
If Leave wins, the European left will probably blame it on two things: fear of Muslim immigration and an unwillingness to pay for the overspending of Greece, Spain, Italy, France, et. al. Xenophobia and selfishness, really.
And they'll be right about that. Is there another obvious reason why so many would vote to leave the EU?
After all those experts told all those people that immigrants were nothing to be afraid of and overspending by governments was a good thing, too! I don't know what the left is going to do about all these people who don't believe the experts.
I guess they'll have to spend more money on education.
Ken,
The UK doesn't cover Italy or France's asses.
They both put in more into the EU than take out.
I might add, they've both always met their thresh hold obligations and to be frank, not even the Germans were perfect at it either.
"If Leave wins, the European left will probably blame it on two things: fear of Muslim immigration and an unwillingness to pay for the overspending of Greece, Spain, Italy, France, et. al."
I appreciate that they're not in monetary union now.
The Leave people don't want more unification in the future.
If the EU didn't have that monetary union sickness in its core, people would feel a lot better about not getting out of bed with the EU.
The push is still ultimately for a United States of Europe. Meanwhile, people in the UK are watching Greece, Spain, Italy, France and others bend Germany over.
I suspect there are a lot of Leave people who don't want to stick around for it to be the UK's turn to bend over.
For sure a push for more integration is there. But from the onset the UK's inclusion was always controversial. Recall Degaulle didn't want them in while they looked to enter it on some level; and even then they never committed like the original EEC members. It was uneasy from the start.
As it relates to the countries you mentioned, Italy and France are not Spain and Greece for a multitude of reasons. The former are industrial and manufacturing nations with major cash flow and brand power who are founding members and as such are firmly entrenched in the EU come hell or high water while the latter simply don't possess that background.
France insisted on monetary union as a condition for their support of Germany reunification.
They wanted to be able to spend freely with the support of German austerity and its inflation fighting.
And it is Germany's austerity and inflation fighting that enable countries like France to spend prolifically.
I don't see why the UK would want to have their own economy used as a backstop that way.
And instinctively, I think people understand that.
Hey you guys, the Obama administration has a new take on 9/11!
Check it out. It's interesting.
http://bit.ly/291Pjae
All I'm seeing is a blank screen. Is that the joke?
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC
That's because there's a ^ in there. take that out and everything past it.
Does anyone have a good editorial anywhere that summarizes the current mainstream argument for "Remain"?
I've not heard anything but emotional appeals and "there's no reason not to stay"
Everything i've read suggests its sort of a mixed bag each way.
'remain' is better for the largest export industries in the UK - whatever those are. They do benefit from EU investment (e.g. i doubt Volkswagen would own UK car companies were it not for the free-trade agreements).
Smaller businesses that don't export significantly, etc. suffer from the EU regulatory regimes and would benefit from leaving.
In theory, UK could negotiate norway-style 1-1 free-trade agreements with EU which would "keep the good parts" while getting rid of some of the regulatory controls (but the economist suggests it would still be mixed bag)
personally, i think one of the best cases for "leave" is to kick the entire EU concept in the nuts and let it collapse under the weight of its own incompetence. Its not a "good for UK" argument so much as a "Best for the world" argument.
According to the data I've seen, the UK exports less to the EU than to countries without EU trade agreements.
G, Judt's "Post War" sorta explained why the EU is loved by local politicos; the EU can, in effect, raise local taxes which benefit the local gov'ts and the local politicos do not have to take the blame.
And since the EU bureaucrats are elected by two or three percent of the population, it's obvious that voters understand they have no power over the EU 'crats.
The EU a win-win for 'crats, local and otherwise.
In the short-term, their economy is definitely going to take a hit. In the long-term, it could work out for them if they replace bad EU policies with better ones and are able to work out good trade agreements, etc. but the uncertainty of all that will drag things down for a while.
Cocktail parties with unelected shitheads in Brussels? And it is Belgium, they also have great beer.
oh, you've heard of the British Government Retirement Plan for MPs and PMs?
Yeah, that's what I was getting at.
Pretty sure if you think AGW is a real thing, you want Britain to stay under the EU thumb. Is the reason that you think that you're saving the planet, or that you have maneuvered your self/company to profit from AGW is another issue. The important thing is, Brussels can control everyone better if they cede sovereignty to the EU/UN now.
You might not find anything better than the editorial at the Financial Times.
http://tinyurl.com/zcc2e36
If that seems scatterbrained and all over the place, it's because that's what it is.
I'd summarize the arguments I've read as being in this part:
"Constructive engagement is vital when Europe confronts threats from Islamist extremism, migration, Russian aggrandisement and climate change. These can only be tackled collectively."
It's about the EU itself, really. If the UK leaves the EU, then there are others who will want to leave. They're worried that they'll start falling like dominoes, and that will be the end of the EU.
To whatever extent you like the EU for non-monetary union reasons (and the FT is against monetary union), they're afraid of losing that. It's about losing everything from the hope of security consolidation in the future to the fight against global warming.
CONTROL
Get smart, Playa.
Its even better according to the guardian
Remain
48%
10,699,897
Leave
52%
11,496,198
http://www.theguardian.com/pol.....d-analysis
And per the BBC
Leave
Votes
12,602,545
Remain
Votes
11,852,315
BBC has called it for Out.
Over 83% returns and the gap is widening Leave.
Looking at putting some money into EUO in case the Euro drops, what do you guys think?
Ever heard the expression about never trying to catch a falling knife?
I mean it looks like it will actually jump a little in the short term with people getting out of pounds, I'm just wondering longer term
Pound is down to $1.35. Wow.
Pretty sure that's a spike that'll be arbitraged out REAL quick.
$1.33 now.
At this rate it's going to be at par by tomorrow morning.
I wonder if Remain can turn around an 800,000 vote deficit at this time? England is Leave by around 1.5 million votes.
Labor is blaming Cameron for not getting labor supporters to back remain. The finger pointing is sublime.
From what I read, Corbyn (their leader) was a very lukewarm proponent of Remain, so they have no room to point fingers at Cameron.
ITV, BBC, and SKY calling it for leave
Yep. All three are calling it 52% for Leave. Fascinating.
It's at 78% reporting, and 52% out.
It's been 52% out for a while now.
I don't think it's a stretch to expect the pattern to continue.
Sky News just projected that Leave wins.
Sky News just called it for Leave.
Wait, wait, wait. Has anyone checked Al Franken's trunk yet?
Not yet, but I'm sure the EU tards are looking for it.
Wait a minute... is South Ireland not a part of UK, or are there no one living there?
The United Kingdom is England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. Ireland is independent.
England play Wales at Euro 2016!
How do you say 'Revenge' in Welsh?
dial or dialedd, apparently...
wait - I keep revenging the phone?
Dial is the actual act of revenge, dialedd is the concept of revenge. English doesn't separate the two grammatically, but in Welsh an abstract noun can be made by adding the edd suffix.
For example, the sentence "I will have my revenge" translated to Welsh would have dial, but the phrase "Revenge is a dish best served cold", would use dialedd.
"The United Kingdom is England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. Ireland is independent."
When they're not in desperate need of cannon fodder anyway. Otherwise, the Queen claims Australia and Canada.
Or is that the Commonwealth?
A "commonwealth" is when you need patriotic bodies to charge the enemy lines. God save the Head of State!!!
They all have a Lieutenant-Governor who nominally acts as the Sovereign's representative in a ceremonial role.
"South Ireland"?
You mean the Independant Republic of Ireland that's been it's own country since the 1920s?
It was descriptive. Just a capital "s" in the way, there.
Ireland has a south. Everywhere but the South Pole has a south.
The southern Irish sure didn't like that moniker when I was there...
This is one reason I post here. Y'all make me feel provincial.
God dammit. Cut this shit out
I had a Billy Idol moment. Perri Lister was pretty hot.
"We'll let the Scots and the Welsh vote, hell even some of those northern Protestants,
BUT NO IRISH!"
Never mind, derp.
that's not derp. It's just a descriptive expression.
If you have Northern Ireland, surely somebody might call the rest of it Southern Ireland.
Would they rather we referred to Northern Ireland as Ulster?
Then we could refer to the rest of Ireland as "South Ulster".
Norn Iron does not contain all of Ulster. One Ulster county, Donegal, has parts that are to the north of the 6 counties trapped behind UK lines. Two other counties, Cavan and Monaghan, are in the Republic.
BBC calls it a win for Leave
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36615028
Once again Obama's plea and advice is ignored.
No one listens to him.
It's sad, isn't it?
How many experts does it take to make people do what they're supposed to do anyway?
Jesus, Obama, Cameron, everyone at Oxbridge?
The vote for stay should have been unanimous!
And worse still, it's like Obama just convulses in the statist direction. There's no rationale other than "be controlled, or else." Any notion of federalism or subsidiarity is totally foreign to him.
Well, he screwed up traffic in SF all day, so someone pays attention to him.
BREAKING: Leader of Leave movement addresses Stay proponents
Lefty songstress gets upset; Brexit the cause?
"Sinead O'Connor Suicide Threat: Chicago Police on the Lookout for Troubled Singer"
http://www.sfgate.com/entertai.....322073.php
Or just lefty mental condition?
She's always in a hotel room. This is like the 5th time.
She's been pulling this shit for a while.
So... paging Crusty?
Nothing compares to Eyou.
Getting rejected by Hannah Montana took its toll.
What? Sinbad O-Connor, she needs some attention?
Hey Playa, did you short the pound?
I don't do forex. I know pretty much nothing about it.
I'm curious about VIX tomorrow. It was my kid's 5th birthday today, so I haven't really been paying attention. Just "letting" him kick my ass at Mario Kart.
You're holding him back.
I am. By only letting him play 30 minutes a day this summer.
After they go to bed, I can practice all I want.
It was also my daughter's 5th birthday. Hooray.
EUPHEMISMS!
Dude, I'm married with three young kids. I don't have friends or hobbies anymore.
Whatever the euphemisms are, they don't include sex.
Shutka, Playa, Shutka.-D ("I'm joking!")
Right there with you in the, "Married, 3 kids," dept, Playa. I have one personal hobby (3D Modelling), and the rest of the time is work, wife, and kiddos. I can relate to lack of time, though marital bliss is still going strong.
Oh, I'm happily married, just no time for fun stuff. My little brother's bachelor party is in 2 months, and I had to call in about a dozen favors to be able to go away for that weekend.
All of those poor guys have no idea that I'm going to force them to look at pictures of my kids at the strip club.
Right-wingers are going to ruin everything.
Anyway, give me your money.
No.
Shhh. Crusty has nothing to contribute. It's time for an embargo.
Crusty would all these weird looking British reporters
Crusty Porn.
Safe for work/brexit
"Who run Crustyville Bartertown?"
I guess it makes sense that a milk substitute would feature an anthropomorphic cow without udders.
Could be BRCA2, you insensitive asshole.
Wow, the Brit Eurocrats have got a serious case of the butthurt. We should send them a giant boat of Ol Soreasse's Butthurt Lotion.
They could put it right next to the Big Ol' Can O' Whup-ass.
Going to be a slaughter tomorrow in the markets. Not that there was much of a chance that the Fed would raise rates this year, but now it's looking like a new stimulus package may emerge.
What a minute...
Aren't you already in tomorrow????
*waves to Playa from the future*
Are we looking at the same moon?
If Crusty is involved, no. *grins*
Yes, and the Yen is going nuts.
https://youtu.be/rB5Nbp_gmgQ?t=103
CNN appears to be in full pants shitting mode.
It suits 'em.
This will have zero impact on the US. So I presume it's hand-wringing over how everyone who voted Exit are a bunch of racist troglodytes.
Exactly. Amanpour said xenophobic at least 5 times
Amanpour's been an idiot since the 1980s; I stopped watching any of her stuff from the early 90s onwards. I'm always surprised to find out that the little horror still has gainful employment in media.
This. She's a bootlicker from 'way back.
That's CNN every day 24/7.
Reading the butt hurt on Twitter is both hilarious and infuriating.
Did you guys know that this is how Hitler happens?
Oh, Good Lord.
Also, thanks for monitoring Twitter so's the rest of us don't have to.
I don't actually have an account, so normally I don't see it, but the results I was watching on Google had like the top Tweets or whatever below it, and Good God people are dumb.
Do you think the Brits will all start wearing swastikas now? I bet Twittertards would believe that.
Nope, but they will be wearing fabulous headgear!
I'm mostly surprised that the assassination of a popular MP by a deranged white supremacist didn't push the Remains over the top by galvanizing support.
But I guess just like in America Britons don't like it when they are accused by media elites of being racists for holding different opinions.
From what I've read in the UK papers a lot of solid Labour districts voted to leave who were thought to be remain. This in blue collar areas. I think that the immigration elephant stepped on some tender toes prior to the vote.
Yup.
Anchor on CNN just said that Britain was sailing into uncharted waters. Because Britain has never been out of the European Union before.
Nor has it sailed into uncharted waters before. Ever.
When's the last time they were in a European Union? How long ago did Rome fall? Surely, they'll never survive a week.
What was that stupid shit that Obama threatened the UK with a while back, over Brexit? Anyone remember that? That's probably the million votes right there that put Brexit over the top. Good ol Obama, there's nothing that he can't do.
Oh, here we go:
Obama Threatens UK over Brexit vote
Brexit is going to take longer than your ass will be in office, Mr. President.
Leaving the EU was bound to negatively impact the pound in the short term
Sure, but unless currency fluctuation is based on actual economic production/conditions, it's not meaningful. And the economic conditions are no different now than they were 24 hours ago. Now the exit may change how people are speculating on future economic conditions, but we all know how accurate people tend to be with that kind of speculation.
^THIS^
Britain wisely kept the GBP for a reason, methinks.
When Obama says the brits will be "at the back of the queue", people assume he means it.
He doesn't.
What, you mean after 7+ years of treating the UK with respect, Obama will start dissing them...?
Voros McCracken|6.24.16 @ 12:50AM|#
"Sure, but unless currency fluctuation is based on actual economic production/conditions, it's not meaningful"
Exactly. A spike that will be arbitraged out in a day or two by those who are familiar with the currency markets.
Um... did Reason just nix the "Brexit wins" article?
Keeps going up and down, returning error 500. Odd.
I blame Brexit. Goddamn Brexiters.
They nixed it.
It voted to Leave, fair and square.
yeah, as I was posting a quipy link.
Yes.
ITS A PLOT BY FoE TO MAKE SURE HE IS ALWAYS FIRST!!!11!!!1
The Brits they are a funny race:
"Scotland votes to Remain in EU by large margin, results show - Guardian"
"Sinn Fein calls for vote on Irish unity after Brexit win - AFP"
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/.....lc-AAhtfvM
These are the Scots who, after whining, decided the free shot from London mean they really didn't want to make their own living? Wanna guess they're getting 'special area' subsidies from the EU (there are a ton of them).
And SF is gonna pitch the free shit from the EU to hope that Northern Ireland will vote to leave the Brits?
Lots of log-rolling going on...
Well, well, well. So the nationalist, anti-globalist, anti-mass-immigration, anti-Muslim-immigration vote did better than the polls predicted, huh? Get used to the phrase "President Trump"....
I did not expect this. I was quite sure that the leftards were going to cook the books and show Britain losing this vote, no matter what the British people wanted.
-jcr
You and me both.
That graph shows the pound down about 4 cents from a peak of $1.50.
That's a plummet? That's less than 3 percent, and on "immediate reaction to unexpected news", so expect something of a bounce back.