Gun Control

When the Law Would Leave You Defenseless Against the Likes of Omar Mateen, Carry a Gun Anyway

Police can't defend every gathering, so the people in attendance must take that task on themselves, with or without legal sanction.

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Despite social media jabber, the 49 dead at Orlando's Pulse nightclub weren't killed by their sexual orientation, or by disapproval of the same, or by the collective adherents of Islam, or by the National Rifle Association. They all died in an act of terrorism committed by one evil man, named Oscar Mateen, and his accomplices, if any.

Nor were Mateen's victims directly killed by gun control, though their ranks were certainly swelled by restrictions that forbade most patrons of the nightclub from carrying the means of self-defense. Unburdened by any scruples about breaking the law, Mateen was not only unhindered by Florida's ban on carrying firearms in bars and nightclubs, he was enabled by its guarantee of a bonanza of relatively defenseless victims once he'd shot his way past the establishment's sole armed defender.

But rather than focus on the murderous Islamist terrorist who did the deed, too many reactions have looked elsewhere to place blame—specifically, the "AR-15" rifle he used to commit his crime (it was actually an MCX, but "AR-15" is the new "assault weapon"—a term of opprobrium used by all right-thinking people). This reaction takes the animist position that the tool compelled the bearer to do evil, rather than acknowledging Mateen's role in selecting the tool once he'd settled on the crime he wanted to commit.

"Everything You Need to Know About the AR-15 Used in Orlando," trumpeted Rolling Stone, getting yet another story wrong. More carefully, and generically, the Washington Post announced, "The gun used in the Orlando shooting is becoming mass shooters' weapon of choice."

Well…sort of. Omar Mateen's ideological brethren, the terrorists who brutalized Paris last year, selected a related sort of weapon for their butchery: the AK-47. But since the sort of restrictive laws favored by the folks circulating the "Ban Assault Weapons Now" Moveon.org petition on Facebook are already in place in France, instead of going to a gun shop to purchase civilian weapons they went to the black market to illegally acquire military firearms. In both cases, the perpetrators committed themselves to terrorism and then acquired the tools for the job by any means necessary.

"Did your French gun control stop a single fucking person from dying at the Bataclan?" asked Eagles of Death Metal singer Jessie Hughes, who survived the slaughter at the Paris nightclub.

The law was no impediment.

But tools can be used for good as well as evil—if they're available. The patrons at Pulse would have had the potential to defend themselves against Mateen had they been carrying firearms as is permitted in much of the United States. But carrying guns in bars is illegal in Florida, and well-intentioned people are more easily constrained by rules than are terrorists—a fact on which Mateen may have relied.

Bizarrely, the Sun-Sentinel's Michael Mayo insists that the massacre disproved the value of guns, because one armed guard failed to deter Mateen. He's joined by a chorus insisting that letting people defend themselves is no answer.

But not everybody agrees.

"It is difficult, if not impossible, to foresee such an event," notes Gwendolyn Patton, First Speaker of Pink Pistols, a GLBTQ self-defense advocacy organization. "But if they cannot be prevented, then they must be stopped as fast as someone tries to start them."

Patton worries that further legal restrictions will affect only the law-abiding, leaving them yet more defenseless against future Omar Mateens.

Tom Palmer, a gay libertarian and one of the original plaintiffs in the groundbreaking Heller Supreme Court gun rights case, agrees.

"Let's get one thing very clear. Gun control advocates disarmed the victims at that night club," he wrote in the New York Daily News. "Legally designated gun-free zones are invitations to killers."

When good people were not rendered defenseless by law, they have stopped mass murderers. Eugene Volokh rounded up a good selection for the Washington Post, but here are two from just the last few months:

  • In April, a Chicago Uber driver shot a gunman who had opened fire on a crowd.
  • Weeks before that, Philadelphia police say a good samaritan "saved a lot of people" when he shot and killed a man who opened up on customers and staff in a barber shop.

Pulse's armed guard came close to saving the day when he exchanged fire with Omar Mateen, but the terrorist got by him and to the club's defenseless patrons. Mateen had the run of the place until Orlando police forced their way inside and killed him hours later.

Three years ago, after the Nairobi Westgate mall massacre by yet another band of terrorists unburdened by obedience to strict gun control laws, then Interpol Secretary General Ronald K. Noble conceded that the old reliance on secure perimeters, professional law enforcement response, and ever-tighter restrictions was ineffective against decentralized terrorist attacks on random gatherings of people.

"How do you protect soft targets? That's really the challenge. You can't have armed police forces everywhere," the former U.S. Treasury official, who had overseen the Secret Service and the ATF before joining Interpol, wondered. "Ask yourself: If that was Denver, Col., if that was Texas, would those guys have been able to spend hours, days, shooting people randomly? What I'm saying is it makes police around the world question their views on gun control. It makes citizens question their views on gun control. You have to ask yourself, 'Is an armed citizenry more necessary now than it was in the past with an evolving threat of terrorism?' This is something that has to be discussed."

But too many mass murders of civilians have occurred in places where citizens are legally precluded from arming and thereby defending themselves. If gun control advocates continue to insist on blaming the tools rather than the murderers, experience from Paris, Nairobi, and our own country suggests that they'll just create a few more laws for future Omar Mateens to break on their way to committing mayhem. And they'll make it a little more difficult for intended victims to have a chance at defending themselves without breaking the laws themselves.

Maybe well-intentioned people and potential victims have to recognize that restrictive laws and their deluded promoters are accomplices to these crimes. People who don't want to be victims may have to abide by the wisdom of Patton, Palmer, and Noble and protect themselves – but do so even if that means refusing to be constrained by the laws that predators so readily ignore.

Because the law itself offers no protection from evil people, no matter the tools they choose to use.

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186 responses to “When the Law Would Leave You Defenseless Against the Likes of Omar Mateen, Carry a Gun Anyway

  1. Yet this is a news shock to most people.

    A gunman kills a bunch of kids at a camp in Norway, terrorists go on a rampage in France, people shoot up bars, movie theaters, churches, and schools… all Gun Free Zones.

    How many fucking mass shootings are at a Gun Show, or a Gun Range, or a Gun Store?

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  2. But everyone says guns are bad.

    If we ban them, there will be no more crime. kind of like how hard it is to get weed for the last 50 years.

    1. Instead of banning the guns, then, we should just ban criminals. Then there would CERTAINLY be no more crime!

      1. Let’s ban criminal intent. The tards already want to ban several thoughts.

      2. Nahhh… Let’s just teach criminals not to commit crimes.

        1. “Have you tried NOT robbing people?!?”

  3. Gun control leaves us defenseless against tyrannical governments and the police, too.

    I’m just sayin’.

    1. I know that, and you know that, but I think we’re better off letting the sheep figure that out on their own since it may be a bridge too far for them to understand it now.

      1. Except that the sheep will be employed to help confiscate guns. The majority of americans are completely brainwashed already.

        This country is finished. The marxists are just throwing strategies against the wall to see what sticks.

      2. The problem is they are sheep. They won’t figure it out. Life is much simpler if you are a serf or slave and accept your condition. The older I get the more I think those of us who value and want freedom are the odd people out.

        “I’ll just hold these laws up to the evil psycho murderer and he’ll vanish like a vampire dunked in holy water!”

        Sadly, laws can only provide a framework to for punishment after the fact and a deterrent prior.

    2. Yeah, liberals have been protesting police and are opposed to gun ownership, these viewpoints don’t seem complementary. In my town, the police chief organized a vigil for the Orlando victims. Some people felt “threatened” and “un-safe” by the police and organized a police protest in the same space. One of the protestors charged the podium while the Chief of Police (mind you a homosexual man, which should be beside the point) was speaking. That level of distrust — seen at large in BLM — should require you to be pro-gun, but I haven’t heard any liberal voices pushing back on the anti-gun rhetoric.

  4. How do you protect soft targets?

    I don’t find that a relevant question. I don’t want to be a soft target and I don’t cops all over the place. If I lived in a free state – not NJ – I would be armed whenever I went out in public.

    1. If I lived in a free state – not NJCanada – I would be armed whenever I went out in public

      Second.

  5. Just heard a woman on Fox News live (Sirius 114) say that we need to reinstate the assault weapons ban because of “common senses.”

    I’m starting to get a little nervous now.

    1. Obama has been the greatest gun salesman in history, but imagine if the Democrats won Congress and the Presidency in November (I don’t think either will happen). November and December would see the greatest run on guns in all of ever.

      1. I really, really regret not buying more guns at last weekend’s show. I thought about, then said to myself, “Nah, not now. I’ll probably get a better deal somewhere else. I don’t need anything more just yet.”

        1. Not to late; rather than gun shows check sites like slckguns.com that will give you links to various on line dealers [they ALL require that the weapon be shipped via an FFL who will run a background check on you].

          But I do agree that it is time to purchase any “black rifle” or similar high capacity weapon you desire.

    2. Don’t worry too much. She probably doesn’t get outside often.

  6. Maybe well-intentioned people and potential victims have to recognize that restrictive laws and their deluded promoters are accomplices to these crimes.

    Yeah, no. The ‘tell’ is the belief that you must carry a gun because your opponents are ‘deluded’.

    People who don’t want to be victims may have to abide by the wisdom of Patton, Palmer, and Noble and protect themselves ? but do so even if that means refusing to be constrained by the laws that predators so readily ignore.

    Yeah, no. You change the law by voting and convincing your neighbors to vote and until then stay home and if you can’t do that then probably best to stay home anyway.

    Because the law itself offers no protection from evil people, no matter the tools they choose to use.

    Yeah, no. The purpose of government and law is to protect us from evil people. If you don’t get that then seriously, move to Somalia.

    But hey, good to hear from the Libertarian fringe every once a while.

      1. It’s just a sock. Ignore it.

        1. I thought I was the sock. *examines inside of drawer*

          1. You are the unbidden mitten.

    1. So are you demanding law enforcement officials be fired and government officials resign their posts? After all, they failed in their duty according to you.

    2. yeah no. Spoken like a complete idiot.

      The fringe believes in the right to self defense.

      Also, since you seem to be an imbecile, the real value in the 2nd amendment is the last line of defense against tyranny. To your stupid compatriots I will reiterate that the reason that the 2nd amendment was written is that the founders understood that tyranny is always the ultimate objective of the power hungry government. They just do not know it until things get perverted enough.

      1. Yeah, no. The law says you can’t bring a gun into a bar and if you don’t like it then change the law. Which you can do because you have freedom of speech. Which Obama roundly defended today. The people who defend gun rights above all others are not Libertarians but anarchists and Trumpkins. And they will gladly take away your right to fight for your rights at the point of a gun.

        1. dajjal is Ready for Hillary!

          1. Johnson/Weld 2016! (But Hillary is the lesser of 2 evils – #NeverTrump)

            1. If you think the law should be enforced, and you’re not voting for Hillary, then why are you against her being prosecuted for breaking the law?

              1. Ask Popehat – he’ll explain it to you. (He’s working on the post as we speak.)

                1. Yeah, you’ve got every right to feel persecuted. You’ve faced real oppression! Being banned from a website for being a dickhead is so much worse than having your right to keep and bear arms taken away by the government.

                  1. The irony is that I was banned because I pointed out that Laicite was a joke on a Randazza post – a fact with which even you agree. AND you are angry because I pointed out that therefore Popehat might not be the best candidate for a position on Twitter’s Safety & Security Council. Frankly I couldn’t care less that I am banned from Popehat (more a point of pride), and he still defends me against HHS anyway, so why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free?

                    1. I’m sure that all made some kind of sense to you, but it’s not so much your constant recitation of gibberish but rather your shameless denigration of the people and ideas that would defend you against the government is what makes you so despicable.

                      It’s not your ideas that suck, dajjal. It’s you.

                    2. If he doesn’t have faux-Zen obscurantism to fall back upon, then what does he have, kb?

                    3. Let me just make one thing clear, I don’t give a fuck about Ken White. I’m not sucking his dick, and I’m not saying you have to either. You can hate the motherfucker till your dying breath. Whatever. It’s this shit: “why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free?” that I’m talking about.

                    4. I adore Popehat. I just didn’t think he was the best candidate for an SS appointment. I was doing him a favor actually. And then he went and endorsed the raging homophobe David French? Round about now you should be thanking me.

                    5. Round about now you should be thanking me.

                      Really, I think my point has been proven enough already.

            2. Why would you vote for somebody who disagrees with you?

        2. not Libertarians but anarchists and Trumpkins

          Does stupid come naturally to you, or do you have to try really hard at it?

        3. Self-defense is more fundamental to life & liberty than “freedom of speech”.

          Fuck off, slaver.

        4. I like you dajjal. Primarily because you make no sense.

          The same reason why like to watch crazy crackheads dance down the street.

          1. And yeah no? I am given you the benefit of the doubt that you are joking but……

            No, you are just a dipshit Nice try though

            1. – says the person who talks to himself online.

              1. No you’re a baby. infinity!

        5. Man, you would have been a real laugh riot during the Civil Rights movement.

          “Hey black people, Jim Crow is the law, get back to your ghettos, or vote new laws. What’s that? Poll tax? Welp, the law is the law, after all, so good luck with it.”

          1. Actually I’m starting to think dajjar is onto something.

            The patriot act is the law. i’m sure he would not object to someone hacking into his gaming console to take a look at the cartoons he has relations with.

      2. may we also mention the Tyranny of a failed governments policies like gun control laws that put people in danger.
        it does not have to be an active tyranny to be tyranical

    3. The purpose of government and law is to protect us from evil people.

      And yet here you are…

      1. Hey where’s your buddies Playa, Hero and Hype today? They’ll protect you (and Popehat) from me.

        1. Hey now, give me some credit, I was calling you a shithead before all the cool kids got in on the act.

        2. They’ll protect you (and Popehat) from me.

          I don’t think anyone sees you as a threat to be protected against. A comical annoyance, yes, but not a threat.

          1. No, no, no! We just can’t appreciate his brilliance. I’ve asked him for the right recipe of amphetamines, benzodiazepines, and opiates one must imbibe to understand his insight, but he won’t share.

            1. Maybe Agile Cyborg could share his concoction with you instead.

              1. Agile Cyborg, our dear poet laureate, much like Hunter S. Thompson before him, is a man to be admired, but perhaps not imitated.

            2. A little of each – and don’t forget the mj. And I’m always happy to share. 🙂

          2. They’ll protect you (and Popehat)

            Once again admitting that it posts here under two handles.

            1. He seems to have thrown the mask off fully at this point. I’m not particularly surprised. It was probably a lot of mental effort to pretend to be two people with conspicuously identical viewpoints.

    4. What are you doing this on the cheap? Don’t be a stingy bastard and promote your comments where you call out individual commenters by name.

      1. Oh Hero. You’ve already lost. Can’t you see? Or are you too blinded by your own reflection?

          1. The derp contest? judging by his thread that seems to be the only thing he’s won.

            1. Not true, he won Most Improved Player at the Special Olympics t-ball competition in 2006.

              1. What position did he play? Pitcher?

                1. Well, relief pitcher.

    5. You change the law by voting and convincing your neighbors to vote

      I’ve been trying that for near on 20 years and it hasn’t helped.

      And the constitution is also the law.

      1. And the constitution is also the law.

        This.

        Also, you forgot your mic drop.

      2. Try voting libertarian–it helps ten times as much. The LP got rid of the draft just by organizing, and our first platform prompted the Roe v. Wade decision to stop women voters from stampeding to our serried ranks. AFTER the George Bush asset-forfeiture crash reminded folks of the Herbert Hoover asset-forfeiture crash, state marijuana laws and asset-forfeiture laws have been getting repealed like it was 1933 all over again. The Libertarian Platform, energized by our spoiler votes, forces those looter politicians to repeal bad laws or lose their cushy government paychecks.

        If persistent 2% voting did not change policies and laws, the commies could never have gotten communist manifesto plank 2 into the constitution as the 16th Amendment, or religious conservatives their crank 18th Amendment and pot laws. Think about that…

    6. Yeah, no. You’re a sockpuppet. And the sad thing about being a sockpuppet is that you’ve actually taken the time to create multiple logins so you can post on this site. I’m not going to help you spiral into a self-destructive abyss, man, so I’m going to add you and your other names to the filter. Good luck, and may you find the help you so desperately need.

    7. The purpose of government and law is to protect us from evil people.

      This may come as a shock to you, but legislation is not magic. By itself it is nothing but words on paper. The way it “protects us” is by empowering men with badges and guns, many of whom are evil, to initiate violence. The purpose of the 2A is to give the People the ability to protect themselves from evil men, especially if they are from the government.

      1. True but 2A doesn’t give you a right to carry in a night club. Yes, this is well accepted legal fact. Oh you want to write your own laws to protect you from the people who write their own laws? OK good luck with that.

        1. Sorry bub, but law and legislation are not synonyms (Don’t worry, the link is not for you. It is for people who like to learn stuff). Not only that, but many things you would refer to as “accepted legal fact” are clear violations of any plain reading of the Constitution (shall not be infringed for example). At this point you’re just appealing to authority while ignoring what I said. Which is what I expected. G’day.

          1. Don’t carry a gun into a crowded nightclub or any other place where it is prohibited. Do you understand, sarcasmic?

            1. I’ll carry wherever I damn well please, fuck you very much.

        2. Ooooo… Like in Blade Runner? Where the cops check your myriad licenses and bribes unless you force customers to do what Die Politische Staat orders?

    8. Point is, troll, that you are your first line of defense [which is when you need it most] and the police cannot be every where at every time to make sure no one hurts you. Most of their work is investigation and enforcement after a crime occurs.

      I liken your comment to Cicero’s depiction of Cato: “He behaves as though he resides in the republic of Plato, while in reality he lives in the crap of Romulus.” It is not a perfect world here, in Nairobi, or Paris. Bad people will hurt you when no one is around to protect you. They don’t care about laws no matter how well intentioned they may be. The point of most libertarians is that is YOUR responsibility and right, then call the police as soon as you can.

      1. Another little “accepted legal fact” that the troll either doesn’t know about or is willfully ignoring, is that the police are under no obligation to protect you. Quite the opposite. That sidearm they carry is so they can shoot you if you fail to obey their every whim. Their number one priority is officer safety, followed by total compliance. If helping you may risk their safety, then they’re going to sit back and enjoy the show. And if you don’t do as you are told, they’re going to kill you. But protect you? It’s not even on their radar.

    9. “Al-Masih ad-Dajjal, is an evil figure in Islamic eschatology. He is to appear pretending to be the Masih (i.e. the Messiah) at a time in the future, before Yawm al-Qiyamah (Day of Resurrection). He will be an anti-messiah figure, Muslims consider him to be the Antichrist.”

      This explains the lies.

  7. Three years ago, after the Nairobi Westgate mall massacre by yet another band of terrorists unburdened by obedience to strict gun control laws, then Interpol Secretary General Ronald K. Noble conceded that the old reliance on secure perimeters, professional law enforcement response, and ever-tighter restrictions was ineffective against decentralized terrorist attacks on random gatherings of people.

    Any rational response to the issue of terrorism should be predicated on this, relatively obvious, conclusion. Of course, that would mean people taking responsibility and governments getting less money and power. In other words “NAH! NAH! NAH! I CAN’T HEEEAAAARRRR YOUUUUU!!!”

    1. Yes. Autonomous defense is the only sane recourse.

  8. Finally posting a damned libertarian piece on the libertarian website……

    1. I was expecting a piece like this on the first day, but all I got was wishy washy defensive posturing about “now now, not all guns” and “now now, not all Muslims” and “stop politicizing things that are affected by politics” and “there is no policy answer to people’s tendency to get murdered in gun free zones”. What took you so long JD?

      1. Tuccille ain’t in the inner circle no more.

    2. Agreed; even copied the sucker for future use [mostly beating progressives with a cudgel of reason].

  9. Gun Control Laws Leave People Defenseless Against Likes of Omar Mateen: New at Reason

    Not in Australia, they banned the public manufacturing and limited gun ownership.

    But that’s Australia. That would probably not work here.

    In America, the best we can do is wish these tragedies don’t keep happening and hope that we nor our loved ones will be the next victim.

    1. Australia’s about the size of the contiguous US and less 1/10 the population.

      Australia’s gun crime also tracked America’s? before and after the gun ban.

      And the Greens recently forced Canberra to admit that there are more guns in NSW now than before the gun ban. In some places, it’s more than in the US!

      1. Yes, but they are much newer and nicer. It was really great of the Ozzie gubment to buy back a lot of older equipment to subsidize the purchase of new equipment.

    2. Australians DID learn that invading Turkey was a stupid move in WWI. But These States at the time already understood that. The US was Associated, not Allied with England and France, and at no time was it in a state of war with Ottoman Turkey. The USA forgot that wise policy when religious conservative Bush gained power.

    3. http://www.dailytelegraph.com……6760983916

      Australian man makes machine guns at home,sells them to gangs.
      (including suppressors,aka “silencers”.)

      http://www.theage.com.au/artic…..99535.html
      Submachine-guns found in weapons factory.
      even in “strict gun control” Australia,there’s a couple hundred machine guns still unaccounted for,still in civilian hands.
      So AUS could still have mass murders.
      that they haven’t is more due to their cultural differences than their “gun control”.

  10. If all this trouble was caused by guns, then why did the police bring even more guns to the affray? The socialist meme: “guns baaaad” evidently now reads “government guns gooood, people guns baaaaad”

  11. I love you Tuccille. Bro-love, but if means keeping you on here, maybe even a little homo-love.

  12. Note to the author:

    It turns out that the Orlando shooter frequented the night club where he did his killing. In other words, he was one of the people whom you want to carry a gun “to protect himself.”

    It’s unclear why you want every stranger in the street to carry a gun. Does it really make you feel safer to know that every angry guy, every aggressive guy, every mentally unstable guy, every hater and bigot, is carrying a gun?

    You are right that the problem is not sexual orientation, or disapproval of the same, or the collective adherents of Islam. It’s not even terrorism.

    The problem is the easy availability of guns.

    The public cannot be trusted with atomic weapons. The public cannot be trusted with bazookas, ground to air missiles, poison gas and fully automatic weapons. And the public cannot be trusted with guns.

    The gun lobby wants you to believe that carrying a gun makes you safer. But that means every doofus and dolt in America also is allowed to carry guns. And you think that makes you safer?

    There is only one solution to the vast number of gun killings and gun woundings in America, and that solution can be found at: https://goo.gl/gcTyjG

    1. Angry bad people are already carrying guns in the streets; your answer is to keep sane and normal people from being able to carry them. Is there supposed to be some sort of osmosis, that will somehow affect the non law abiding into this mantra?

    2. Fuck off slaver.

    3. Dear Mitchell, living and working in many countries taught me the unsafe ones are looter satrapies where only government goons and their subcontractors carry guns. I know the difference. The more the initiation of force is institutionalized by superstitious rulers, the more random violence I expect that example to lead to or instigate in retaliation.

      Yes I am safer where everyone has a gun, not just the Gestapo.

      Ask yourself, per the Freakonomics analysis, how many of these shooters were the product of religious conservatives forcing pregnant women to reproduce against their will, or religious conservatives teaching young captives that life is only important after death.

    4. It’s unclear why you want every stranger in the street to carry a gun.

      Wow. Talk about reading into things a bit too far. Those of us who support liberty and the right to defend one’s self and family don’t want everyone to carry a gun. Well, not if they don’t want to.

      The public cannot be trusted with atomic weapons. The public cannot be trusted with bazookas, ground to air missiles, poison gas and fully automatic weapons. And the public cannot be trusted with guns.

      Speak for yourself. Just because you’re an emotional twit who can’t be trusted with a firearm doesn’t mean that I am similarly handicapped. Not only that, but just because you would prefer to be at the mercy of criminals who ignore the law doesn’t mean that I do as well.

      The gun lobby wants you to believe that carrying a gun makes you safer. But that means every doofus and dolt in America also is allowed to carry guns. And you think that makes you safer?

      Here in Maine they recently passed a constitutional carry law. That means that every doofus and dolt who isn’t a felon or otherwise prohibited from carrying a firearm can legally carry without going to the local police and asking for permission.

      Know how many shootouts there have been since Maine because the Wild West?

      None.

      1. *became*

    5. I’ve been hunting for over 40 years. I always come across other people carrying guns while hunting. guess what everyone is on their best behavior. So yes more people carrying guns leads to a polite society.

    6. In other words, he was one of the people whom you want to carry a gun “to protect himself.”

      Newsflash, brainiac, he was carrying a gun anyway. That was the entire point of the article.

    7. The problem is the easy availability of guns.

      The Eagles of Death Metal and their fans agree.

    8. Background checks. Chances are all those perpetually angry or crazy people you are worried about having guns have already lost the ability to (legally) carry because of that anger or psychiatric problems.

      Speaking for myself. I don’t want everyone to carry. If you decide that you are going to carry a weapon then you need to ask yourself a whole lot of questions. At a minimum you need to ask yourself if you are responsible enough to not go off and shoot someone just because they’re a freaking douche-swizzling enema monkey. You then need to ask yourself if you are willing to pull the trigger and take responsibility for what happens. You then need to read the gun safety rules until you are saying them in your sleep. When you start seeing guns on tv and in movies and you find yourself counting all the really stupid and unsafe things they are doing then you can safely say you have a grasp on gun safety.

      You should also commit to becoming familiar with your weapon(s) and be competent with it. Seek out more than the rather weak state required training so that on the very low chance you ever have to use your weapon that you’ll actually hit who needs to be shot.

      Most people I know who carry concealed and are gun people anyway. Which means they enjoy the time they spend training.

      1. The left is already claiming there are too many guns and too much easy access to the same, ergo they must also believe then that all the people have guns, right? If there are too many and they are easily accessible, is it not reasonable to think that all the people who want a weapon have a weapon? Is there some magic that prevents those who want one to not have one?

        In these gun free zones there are too few guns and they are too hard to “get”, unless you are a criminal, in which case it is “party time”. Only a sick mind thinks people should be rendered defenseless, for their own good.

    9. If you follow this guy’s link you’ll find that

      1. He’s one of those who believe that the 2A only covers militia, not individuals. In other words he’s either disingenuous or ignorant of history. If the Founders truly intended for the Federal Government to be able to regulate firearms then why didn’t they ever do it themselves? The first federal firearms regulation came down in 1934, under FDR.

      2. He believes we should federalize gun manufacture and importing because it will remove the profit motive that is causing companies to push tons of guns onto the streets. Clearly he is also unaware of how supply and demand work.

      Conclusion: This guy is fervent, but clueless.

  13. Well said bacon, but I would still like to see a sane reply to my comment to rodger dodger.

    1. They (progressives) do no have sane answers. The only response you will get is what feelz right to them. These are the monsters we need to protect ourselves from, the ones that let want us chained & unprotected for “our own good?”.

      1. It omits the let and you’ll see what I get. /Wild Bill or the Faceless God’s dude from GOT

    2. Initiators of force fear retaliatory or disarming weapons. Hence the Soviet slaver horror of weapons of massa destruction and ABM defenses. By simply existing, SDI weaponry bankrupted the communist slave state that remains the allegiance-inspiring model for American kleptocracy looters. Altruism says that poverty exists because you are too selfish to give away all to the poor, therefore they have an entitlement to rob you if the gubmint is not quick enough about it. Every time a purse snatcher spots a cop with a gun and refrains from snatching a purse, that gun was used to stop the snatching, without the cop even knowing it. The multiplication of cellphones and guns makes purse snatching and tax-collecting more problematic (osmosis of justice), so looters are horrified–just as their Soviet masters were horrified. Quod erat demonstratum.

  14. “More carefully, and generically, the Washington Post announced, ‘The gun used in the Orlando shooting is becoming mass shooters’ weapon of choice.'”

    Generically, yes. Carefully, no. The headline specifically named the AR-15 as the gun used at first, and was later corrected.

  15. Yikes. So your “solution” JD is that everyone should be carrying an AR-15 wherever they go…movies, clubs, school, parks. Sporting events. Because let’s face it, that will be the next complaint “I can’t defend myself with a concealed pistol if the bad guys have AR-15s.”

    Yeah, we should all be watching that baseball game with 50000 people packing assault weapons. That’s your vision for American life.
    That’s the daily life we want our kids living with.

    You’re insane.

    1. That which is not prohibited is mandatory!

      1. Right. So everyone should sit back while you carry that AR-15. We should trust you.

        Riiiiiight.

        1. Um, yeah. That’s what I said. Try being honest for a change, and then maybe people wouldn’t shit on you all the time.

        2. Let’s say I did want to walk around with an AR. OK, so what? If you were armed with a concealed pistol, and was comfortable in the knowledge that anyone out there could be similarly armed, how far do you think I would get if I decided to start shooting? Why would I even start shooting if I knew that anyone could be armed? That’s why shooters choose gun free zones. Because they’re safe for the shooter.

        3. Right! We should trust the jack-booted, roided up police force who can murder with impunity for as little as a hand in your pocket. Or the feds, who’s leader has proven he has no problem drone-bombing innocent civilians to get a ‘good kill.’

          1. Hate to break this to you, but I trust my local policemen more than I ever would you, Sarc, or JD.

            1. I’m guessing that you’ve never been accused of a crime nor have you been a victim of a crime. If you had then you would have quickly learned that the police are the last people in this world that you should ever trust.

              1. Sorry. Have been a victim of crime, and the police work was exceptional. But don’t let that keep you from more “guesses.”

                1. Well I’ve been the victim of several crimes, and in every case the all the cops did was search me and run me for warrants. They never even asked a question about my home being broken into, what the guy who robbed me at gunpoint looked like, or anything else. And when I pointed it out they threatened to arrest me for questioning them. I used to trust them because I was taught to. Now I know better.

                  Oh, and I believe you are lying. Cops don’t do exceptional work. They’re government employees.

                  1. You think I’m lying? But then, your the guy who “guessed” I have never been the victim of a crime.

                    Keep those guesses and thoughts coming, Sarc.

                    1. You think I’m lying?

                      Yes. You have proven yourself to be a liar already. Why would you stop now?

          2. i agree with Jackand Ace.

            I personally don’t think it’s a good idea having people getting on planes with guns, guns in schools, guns in bars, etc.

            I live in NJ Suburbia. We are fine with the cops. We have little crime. A few years ago we had some break-ins and they caught the fellows.

            But that’s just me. I chose to live and raise my family in a rather safe middle-class neighborhood with great schools and low crime. I guess if I lived in Texas or places where there’s much more crime and it takes the cops 30 minutes to get to you, I’d have a gun too.

            1. I choose to live in a town with no police force. We pay the Troopers and Sheriff to have two guys available to answer calls, but all they really do is issue tickets. The plus is that the town has no stupid ordinances since they have no means of enforcing them, and the down side is that it takes the cops a while to respond to actual emergencies. So I’m armed. As are all my neighbors. And I feel safe knowing that all my neighbors are armed to the teeth. I trust them. The cops? Not so much.

              1. What state do you live in ?

        4. In my experience visiting touristy areas of the Rocky Mountains, the site of a firearm being carried unconcealed is as expected, indifference from Americans and foreign tourists alike.

          Occasionally curious persons did ask if it was legal, and one guy who claimed to be a cop from some southern state was curious and very much approving.

          Perhaps you just have trust issues.

          1. Indeed I do.

          2. But you should understand something. This author is suggesting that in the city of Orlando, everyone of those patrons in that club should have been carrying…because if one is, and we have no idea what kind of person he/she is, then we all better carry. And if it’s assault weapons, then we can’t be expected to defend ourselves with a simple pistol.

            City of Orlando. Club. Liquor. Extended to every city, at every function. Arenas with thousands of weapons at the ready, even kids events.

            Don’t tell me that isn’t his vision. It’s the only one possible. Unless you think the rest of us should just let you and JD carry that assault weapon.

            1. This author is suggesting that in the city of Orlando, everyone of those patrons in that club should have been carrying…

              No. The author is suggesting that if people were allowed to legally carry (which doesn’t mean that any of them would actually choose to do so, only that they option would exist) then the gunman may not have chosen to shoot up the place for fear that someone might be able to fight back.

              1. It’s exactly his suggestion for the reasons I cited. If the law was “bring whatever weapon you want wherever you want,” and you or JD started carrying assault weapons to the ball park, you live in a fantasy if you think the rest of us wouldn’t do the same. Until all did.

                1. I live in that fantasy. Here in Maine anyone who isn’t a felon or otherwise prohibited from carrying a gun can carry a concealed weapon without having to ask permission from the cops. It’s called constitutional carry.

                  Know what? Not many people are taking advantage of that law, and there have been no shootouts. I’m serious.

                  And open carry is already legal in this state. Anyone can walk around with an AR if they want. Nobody does.

                2. It’s weird to watch gun grabbers act as if the “insane” conditions they propose don’t exist anywhere.

                  Many states have constitutional carry (no permit required). In my state concealed carry is “shall issue” and open carry is legal without a permit.

                  You know why people don’t carry ARs around? It’s a frickin’ pain in the butt. Try walking around everywhere you go with a six pound steel pipe with a bunch of plastic bits hanging off it, plus several pounds of ammunition.

                  Most people get annoyed just carrying a sizable self-defense handgun. That’s why “mouse guns” (little .380s and other pocket semi-autos) are so popular. Anyone in Ohio can carry an AR-15 or any other long gun around. Few choose to. Many thousands carry concealed handguns. The few people who choose to carry among the many more who don’t salt the pot — anyone who starts trouble has a chance of encountering one or more armed citizens, as long as they’re not in a government-mandated victim-disarmament zone.

                  In not one of those states where open and/or concealed carry is unrestricted are we seeing a rise in gun homicides. No wild west. No blood in the streets. It simply isn’t happening. In the real world. We don’t have to speculate.

    2. I love watching a clueless twit carefully build an enormous straw man, which proceeds to fall over and crush him.

  16. Something the gun-grabbers fail to understand is that regular people, unlike the police, are actually held responsible for what they do with their guns. That makes regular people much less trigger-happy than the cops, and much more inclined to access a situation rather than going in hot. It means regular people are more apt to leave their guns in their holsters than start blasting away. Gun-grabbers imagine liberty as being a world where everyone has a gun and every argument is settled with guns. They imagine a robbery turning into a melee as every customer pulls out a gun, then nobody knows who the robber is anymore, so everyone shoots at everyone. They’re emotional twits with no capacity for logic or reason.

    1. I like the cut of your jib. Spot on, sailor.

    2. They imagine a robbery turning into a melee as every customer pulls out a gun, then nobody knows who the robber is anymore, so everyone shoots at everyone.

      Although I’ve never heard of it happening, I can stuff like that happening once more and more people walk around with guns in crowded places.

      Luckily for me, were we live with are not concerned with firearms. Practically everyone I grew up with never had one, and there’s no need. We also don’t hunt or use guns for sporting/game. And, practically no violent crime.

      1. So, being completely ignorant of gun culture, having no knowledge of firearms, no friends who are gun owners, and no understanding of the responsibility one takes on themselves when they carry one, you can say with authority that gun owners are all irresponsible idiots who will shoot anything that moves when they are spooked.

        Sorry dude, but that just isn’t the case. It is with cops because they face no consequences for their actions, but us little people do. And we act accordingly.

        1. you can say with authority that gun owners are all irresponsible idiots who will shoot anything that moves when they are spooked.

          I never said that. Please read what I said above.
          I never said I was authorized to judge nor did I accuse all gun owners of being irresponsible idiots.

          I said that if you start including more and more people with gun ownership you may see a situation you stated in your previous comment.

          You may be a very responsible person with your gun. You probably have never had to use it but are ready to. You probably know how to conceal it and keep it safe from children. You are probably not the type of guy to pull it out in a road-rage incident. But others aren’t as responsible.

          And, I know that sucks for you and other responsible gun owners.

          But the way you group all cops as a bunch of corrupt assholes who kill people with impunity, others group all gun owners as yahoos. All of you are wrong.

          1. In my experience all cops are assholes. I met one nice cop once, but I think it may have been a mirage. And it’s not them reacting to my attitude. I’m always polite and respectful. But they’re all assholes in my experience. When I meet some that aren’t I’ll let you know. I was raised to believe that cops are protectors and people you should trust. Then when I needed their help I discovered that that wasn’t the case. I thought it may have been a bad apple, but not so. The trend continued. Until I reevaluated my opinion of their ilk.

          2. I’m just cautioning you to be careful. They aren’t there to help you. They are there to harm you. You ask for help and the first thing they will do is try to find an excuse to arrest you. You may be breaking some law you don’t know about, or they might be having a bad day. Then you’re going to have a bad day. They might not like they way you look, the clothing you choose, or whatever else. Then they will decide you are a criminal and not worthy of their help. Press the issue and you may get arrested or worse. Just be careful, dude. Don’t trust the cops. That’s a recipe for disaster.

      2. So you’re completely ignorant of the many Constitutional carry, “shall issue” concealed carry and unrestricted open carry states where your imagined scenario simply hasn’t been an issue. For decades. You don’t have to rely on hypotheticals.

    3. True fax. When local bureaucrats hassled a sailor in Killeen, Texas over municipal ordinances and his property fence, he snapped, went to the gun-free Luby’s cafeteria they frequented, and even killed innocent non-bureaucrats. Dining there was a pistol champion who left her gun in the car out or “respect” for the owner caving to police pressure to help disarm patrons. When a libertarian pointed this out, hundreds of photocopies of the same letter to the editor flowed in prophesying an OK Corral shootout that “could possibly” wipe out the entire population of Texas. The looter response is the same, I see… but the LP understands that if you want less retaliation, try cutting down on the initiation of force.

  17. Reopen Pulse as Cocks and Glocks, promoting carry, and I guarantee there’ll never be another such incident

  18. I feel that the issue here is not that there were no other people with guns to defend themselves, and more that this guy managed to get a weapon himself. In most civilised countries, getting a weapon like this would be almost impossible. You may argue that the terrorists in France were armed with similar weapons, but in order to carry out that attack,they needed to smuggle the weapons into the country and be properly organised. Here, he could just pop into a shop and buy one. That would sound ridiculous to any European.
    How would you argue against a blanket ban on guns? That you need to defend yourself against the government? The government that is already in charge of the largest military in the world and perhaps the best armed police force? Good luck. If they were going to do bad things to you against your will they’d do it slowly so you wouldn’t notice, your guns would be of no use.
    Maybe you want to enjoy shooting as your hobby? Is your hobby really worth hundreds of innocent Americans dying each year? I’d really hope not.
    Maybe you’d argue that there’s no way a blanket ban on guns could be achieved and yes that is most probably true, but to save even a few lives, is it not worth trying?

    1. and more that this guy managed to get a weapon himself

      Laws against drugs don’t stop people from acquiring them. Why would laws against guns do any better?

      The government that is already in charge of the largest military in the world and perhaps the best armed police force? Good luck.

      I wouldn’t trust the police to have a conscience, but I would the military. And how many insurgencies have won? Lots.

      If they were going to do bad things to you against your will they’d do it slowly so you wouldn’t notice….

      They’re not?

      Maybe you want to enjoy shooting as your hobby? Is your hobby really worth hundreds of innocent Americans dying each year?

      Nobody, at least to my knowledge, has ever been killed by any of my guns.

    2. If they were going to do bad things to you against your will they’d do it slowly so you wouldn’t notice, your guns would be of no use.

      The history of armed revolutions in the 20th and 21st centuries doesn’t support your theory.

      Yes, there are examples where revolutions have been put down, but there have been many more that have succeeded.

    3. FEDGOV can’t even keep track of their own guns.

      FEDGOV is “missing” several thousand of their guns,some being full-auto machine guns. that does not include US military arms losses. TSA alone is missing 100s of their guns. Then state and local law enforcement have guns stolen from their vehicles frequently. Former Orlando POLICE CHIEF Val Demings had her service handgun stolen from her unmarked SUV in 2009,and years later,it still hasn’t been recovered. OPD has “lost” 2 AR-15 kits,and had 4 machine guns stolen from vehicles.
      Post-9-11,several armed Federal employees have LEFT their loaded handguns on commercial air flights and deplaned,the guns being discovered by other passengers. One guy in Alabama stole rifles (real assault rifles,select-fire) and grenades from Anniston Army Depot.
      guns will ALWAYS be available to those who really want them.

    4. Fuck off Eurotrash boy.

    5. It’s funny – in the tiny little village where I lived in SW Germany, many nights were punctuated with the sound of a LOT of gunfire. There was a Sch?tzenverein (shooting club) just up the hill from my house that had a range attached to it. I know that a number of my neighbors were members and had guns in their house (they found it funny that the Germans were better armed than their American neighbor). They held shooting competitions, and routinely organized hunts in the surrounding woods to clear out the radioactive boars common in the area.

      Is it easier to get a gun in the US than it is in Europe? Yes. But to imply that guns have to be smuggled or that enjoyment of shooting as a hobby leads to hundreds of people dying each year is ludicrous.

  19. Opposed to the idea of the individual owning guns, believe the police aware there to protect you, think again, for you are dangerously wrong. Don’t believe me, fair enough. Do some research into court rulings going back a long time, and see for yourself. when and if you do hat, we can perhaps discuss the thing, but not till you have looked past the propaganda of the Anti Gun Lobby.

    1. Police carry a sidearm for personal protection. It ain’t there to protect anyone but the person wearing it.

  20. You know, there’s argument to be made that guns are a little bit like vaccines. A vaccine doesn’t necessarily protect every person perfectly against disease (and some people can’t get them for legitimate reasons), but when everyone is vaccinated, it’s hard for that disease to get a vector to the vulnerable in the first place. When brainless celebrities frighten people with tales of autism, that herd immunity breaks down and even the vaccinated are more at risk.

    Similarly, if gun ownership is nearly universal, then criminals are going to avoid committing the sorts of crimes that are likely to get them shot (robbery, in particular). However, if brainless celebrities frighten people with tales of statistically unlikely tragedies, that community deterrence breaks down, and the few people who are still armed are more likely to have to actually use that weapon to defend themselves.

    Of course, the sort of people who would strongly ridicule parents who refuse to get their kids vaccinated are rather unlikely to toss the same level of condemnation on those who refuse to take up arms to protect their community against predators and terrorists.

    1. Nice, ant1sthes. analogies aren’t usually trustworthy but this one’s spot on.

  21. interesting the Pink Pistols has a “First Speaker”,straight out of Asimov’s Foundation series.

  22. Pretty much the best opinion piece I’ve yet read on this.

  23. Guns and alcohol. What a great combination to avoid.

    There were tens of thousands of bars, taverns, nightclubs, etc. across the US that had no problems that night. Arming patrons is not a way to prevent murder, it’s a way to ensure it.

  24. Maybe this was discussed earlier, but did you know that Omar actually exchanged fire with security AND law enforcement officers BEFORE he entered the club?

    http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2…..ed-anyway/

    So for the “leave defense to armed professionals” crowd, he survived shootouts with cops outside, eventually snuck inside the club, and pumped bullets into the crowd at close range. Sitting ducks, all of them.

    Do I want to see armed civilians all over campus, theaters and clubs? I don’t know. It would startle me a bit, to be honest. But the fact remains that if law enforcement can’t stop these shooters, only armed citizens (or ones brave enough to charge the shooter) can save lives.

    It feels like only a matter of time that terrorists will hit us with bombs or chemical agents. They killed almost 40 people using nail bombs at Brussels. Ghoulishly as this sounds, only something like that will finally put an end to the left steering the issue to gun control and NRA.

  25. Maybe this was discussed earlier, but did you know that Omar actually exchanged fire with security AND law enforcement officers BEFORE he entered the club?

    http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2…..ed-anyway/

    So for the “leave defense to armed professionals” crowd, he survived shootouts with cops outside, eventually snuck inside the club, and pumped bullets into the crowd at close range. Sitting ducks, all of them.

    Do I want to see armed civilians all over campus, theaters and clubs? I don’t know. It would startle me a bit, to be honest. But the fact remains that if law enforcement can’t stop these shooters, only armed citizens (or ones brave enough to charge the shooter) can save lives.

    It feels like only a matter of time that terrorists will hit us with bombs or chemical agents. They killed almost 40 people using nail bombs at Brussels. Ghoulishly as this sounds, only something like that will finally put an end to the left steering the issue to gun control and NRA.

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  27. Why no mention of my California Open Carry lawsuit?

    http://blog.californiarighttoc…..age_id=739

  28. J. D. Tucille is wrong about the Florida concealed carry law. His is a common misconception. I recently took the concealed carry class. The instructor stressed this point. The relevant section of the law:

    12.?Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;

    only applies to the actual “bar” ie the counter between the bartenders and the patrons, or a stool at the “bar.” Any other location in the establishment is not considered to be “primarily devoted” to the purpose of “dispens[ing] alcoholic beverages” and is therefore legal territory for concealed carry. So a table, the dance floor, the restrooms, etc are all legal territory for concealed carry. You may even have a drink, so long as you do not become intoxicated, ie have a blood alcohol level above the legal limit for driving of 0.08%. So you may enter a bar, nightclub, or whatever, and even be served alcoholic beverages (away from the actual “bar”) and not be in violation of the law.

    It is very unfortunate that more people were not aware of the law, and were not armed, at the Pulse that night.

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    There is 160 years of case law and 40 citations where the courts have held the government bears no affirmative duty to protect us as individuals (barring certain limited situations like being is custody). The responsibility for our protection is on our own shoulders.

    All the politicians and talking heads calling for “gun control” know this… but they won’t admit or discuss it, because it could cause a lot of opinions about guns in general to change once people realize it.

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