Only Hindus Are Allowed to Chant, Assert Liberal Culture Enforcers on Campus

Taking cultural appropriation to new extremes at Brown University.

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Another culture thief has been punished for daring to appropriate some foreign component: Brown University alum Carrie Grossman was interrupted by liberal student protesters while performing Hindu chanting Thursday night. 

Grossman, a white a woman, was accused of using "disturbing and appropriative language," according to The Brown Daily Herald. A group of about 15 students—self-appointed enforcers of rigid cultural boundaries—interrupted her performance and peppered her with accusatory questions. They're refrain was a tired one: leave the Hindu chanting to the real Hindus. 

Other students, who had come to actually hear the performance, asked the protesters to leave. According to The Herald, the protesters decided to hold their own chanting session nearby. (I can't help but wonder whether all of these protesters were ethnically Indian—the photo accompanying the story suggests otherwise.) 

Later, Grossman apologized for not understanding the consequences of her action or the offense that they would cause. Saraf responded, "You saying that it wasn't intended to be harmful doesn't make it an apology." Both Saraf and Chokshi led the discussion with Grossman and highlighted the different ways that Grossman has the ability to give performances at the expense of minorities. 

Toward the end of the question-and-answer session, the conversation turned toward the actions that Grossman could take in the future to create systemic change. "Use your privilege to make structural change," Saraf said. "You as a white person are protected." Saraf closed the discussion by saying that she wanted Grossman to leave with that message because "that's what radical love looks like." 

It's one thing for a non-member of a certain ethnic group to appropriate culture in a way that's offensive or derogatory. It's quite another to pay respectful homage to a foreign custom one finds inspiring. As one person noted in a comment on the article: 

"When a Chinese student (by which I mean a student at Brown from the People's Republic of China) presents a violin performance of classical (white) European music, is that also an example of "cultural appropriation," and should that student's presentation be subject to protest as well? I think the answer is obvious." 

Obvious to most of us, at least. 

Hat tip: The College Fix 

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  1. I’m going to start my own activist group where we all shave our heads and run around policing people appropriating white culture.

    1. If Robby wants to join, he can keep his hair. But that’s the only exception.

      1. Pretty sure we have to let Milo keep his hair, too.

    2. A bunch of white guys with shaved heads? Sounds compelling.

      1. Fucking Hare Krishnas.

        1. At least Krishnas are allowed to chant.

          1. Are you telling me that a bunch of white dudes with shaved heads aren’t allowed to chant things in support of their cause?

          2. and they can wear white robes let a white man try that.

        2. Jews for Jesus?

    3. AGGH! It’s too inciteful *and* insightful! Ban it from the libraries! Purge it from your consciousness!

      /Reason

  2. “that’s what radical love looks like.”

    I hope Grossman lubed up before getting all that radical love.

  3. FUrthermore, shouldn’t every protester refrain out of respect for Protestants?

    1. More like these protesters are appropriating retard culture.

  4. I really want to walk up to one of these people and say that we should oppose trans people on the grounds that they’re men appropriating female culture. I’m honestly wondering what the response would be.

    1. I have no doubt that you could get a decent level of support for that.

    2. You’ll find the feminists are all over that. Men are appropriating their girly victimhood or something.

      1. Only the radfems. The feminists who aren’t radical feminists tend to be pro-trans. It’s the rad fems who think trans people are just secret rapists pretending to be women to gain easier access to victims.

        1. TERFs, Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists. It’s actually a thing.

    3. I don’t know. They don’t seem to have too much trouble accepting that gender is a complete social construct and writing articles on how the natural characteristics of females would make them more peaceful and tolerant rulers.

      The derp isn’t something you reason your way through. You just feel it as a quiver that starts in your knees and moves on up.

      1. But if gender is a complete social construct, then there’s no need for transgenderism.

      2. A Chris Matthews-esque “thrill up the leg” if you would.

    4. Don’t … there’s already women in their community saying exactly that. You don’t need to give them more ideas.

      And it’s sad that ideas that people come up with to mock these people are actually embraced by them.

      1. You don’t need to give them more ideas.

        I’d say that it might be good to help them tear each other down from the inside, but they’ll probably end up taking the rest of us with them.

    5. When I was a teenager, I liked rap music better than metal. Can I say I’m a black man trapped in a white man’s body?

      1. Shaun King says yes!

    6. But… aren’t hetero cis-men just pre-op M2F transsexual crossdressers?

      1. Doesn’t the term “crossdressers” promote the gender binary? That’s really problematic.

  5. What’s next? Umbrellas are cultural appropriation of Egyptian culture so we should all get wet instead?

    1. Never mind, that would probably constitute wet privilege and be disrespectful to those affected by droughts..

      1. now…Wet Privilege is THE BEST band name here in a while…and no it isn’t an album name.

    2. we should all get wet instead

      Yes.

        1. RUN, BITCH! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE

  6. Excuse me? Brown University?

    I can’t even right now

    1. Ugh. I mean, Come. On.

  7. So, no margaritas on Cinco de Mayo then?

      1. Cinco de Mayo is a tough one, as it actually is an American holiday, but one where Americans were celebrating a Mexican victory over France. Not sure who should be reprimanded in that case, but the French are always a safe target.

    1. You are allowed one margarita if you correctly pronounce it thinko day myoh. But only one.

      1. Except thinko would be Spain-Spanish, not Mexican.

        No cultural appropriations for you.

          1. You just offended all of Mexico and Spain – congrats.

            1. What about Spanish tortillas wrapped in Mexican tortillas.

              1. I’m going to make that tonight.

          2. Paella buritto might be good.

          3. Is that more like a quesalupa or a cheesy Dorito gordita crunch?

            1. I’m not sure, but I certainly support the idea of using Taco Bell lingo to describe it.

    2. Unless your brown you got to flush it down. Sorry, bro.

    3. Tequila is a European invention. The indigenous culture used to make an agave wine that was often taken rectally. Anyone who has ever had cheap white tequila knows how bad it must have tasted.

      1. How do you taste with your ass???

        1. Exactly.

      2. an agave wine that was often taken rectally

        I’m… what is this…

        1. Easier than sticking this up your butt

          1. You… have a point.

        2. Butt Chugging. It’s part of Reason’s small-l libertarian platform.

          1. Argh, should have refreshed before posting

        3. Please. People did yogurt enemas at one point. At least this would become less distressing after about 15 minutes.

          1. People did yogurt enemas at one point.

            Is that where Greek yogurt comes from?

            1. No. That’s where Greek yogurt GOES.

        4. A tobacco smoke enema was once thought to revive drowning victims.

      3. Anyone who has ever had cheap white tequila knows how bad it must have tasted.

        That’s because it’s mostly industrial vodka with only a hint of spirit distilled from agave. Pro-tip – go 100% de Agave or stay home.

        1. I don’t even know what the point of white tequila is.

      4. So butt-chugging tequila would be cultural appropriation?

      5. So you are saying that butt-chugging is cultural appropriation? Thanks for ruining my weekend.

      6. So what you’re saying is butt-chugging tequila is cultural appropriation.

    4. No tacos either remember a fraternity got in trouble for that last year.

  8. “Use your privilege to make structural change,” Saraf said. “You as a white person are protected.”

    How do you hear that and not just laugh in their face? Granted, the performer is probably part of the SJW camp already but sheesh.

    1. Later, Grossman apologized for not understanding the consequences of her action or the offense that they would cause.

      What do you expect? These people basically suffer from Stockholm syndrome.

    2. Well, yeah. These people shouldn’t be apologized to, they should be laughed at and told to shut the fuck up and be glad they don’t have any actual problems to deal with.

      1. The only response needed is really “fuck you”.

        1. FOADIAF works well too…..

    3. Granted, the performer is probably part of the SJW camp

      This is a necessary condition for this crap. It doesn’t work on those who despise PC.

    4. No, doesn’t sound like she was privileged or protected. Saraf’s lack of self-awareness is stunning.

      1. If anyone is privileged on a college campus these days, it sure isn’t white people.

  9. “When a Chinese student (by which I mean a student at Brown from the People’s Republic of China) presents a violin performance of classical (white) European music, is that also an example of “cultural appropriation,” and should that student’s presentation be subject to protest as well? I think the answer is obvious.”

    To the hardcore SJW, the “answer” is that the Chinese student is “punching up” because of the “oppression” of “white privilege”. In other words, they have a double standard–and they’re proud of it.

    1. I didn’t think American Asians could punch up. Aren’t they on the top of the college admittance privilege pyramid?

      1. Not any more, because there are now “too many” of them. But don’t worry, they are still being “oppressed”.

    2. It’s not cultural appropriation. It’s white cultural hegemony.

    3. Why not learn to love it, & enjoy punching down? Esp. if you do it literally.

  10. And I’ve met white members of Vedic, “don’t dare call us Hindu” religions.

  11. These people would have just loved the Hitler Youth. And I’m not trying to Godwin…I absolutely believe that to be true.

    1. They remind me more of Saudi Arabia’s Morality Police.

      1. More like the French Ministry of Culture.

        http://archive.wired.com/cultu…..3/07/59674

    2. No, because the HY were all white white kids.

  12. “Use your privilege to make structural change,” Saraf said. “You as a white person are protected.”

    Bull. Fucking. Shit. You as a white person, are the opposite of ‘protected’, as evidenced by the casualness that someone, anyone, can lecture you about what it means to be white and the crimes you’re guilty of as a white person. As a white person you have a target on your back.

    You as a white person, had a special guilt button installed on you as a child, that people can push to take your resources, shut down your speech and disqualify you from holding opinions and seizing opportunities. Every single one of these ethnic victim groups have historically faced more oppression and injustice from their own countrymen, from their own societies than they ever did from white people. European and western civilization has created more prosperity and justice for these “victims” than any other societies in human history, including and especially their forefather’s own tribes, societies and civilizations.

    1. Well fucking said.

    2. First I was supposed to check my privilege, now I’m supposed to use it.

      1. I think “check your privilege” meant “be aware of it.” It’s a little like The Force. You should use it, let it flow through you. Just don’t give in to the Dark Side of the Privilege, like 99% of all white people.

    3. Wait a minute. What about us guys who are descended from various Western and Eastern European cultures, but do not self-identify as White?

      I have never picked the side, and never will.

      1. That’s OK, they’ll define you as white anyway.

    4. You as a white person, had a special guilt button installed on you as a child, that people can push to take your resources, shut down your speech and disqualify you from holding opinions and seizing opportunities.

      Really? White people are androids?

      WHY DIDN’T ANYONE TELL ME THIS?!?

    5. Why not turn that guilt into gloat? Say, “Yes, I appreciate how inferior your kind are. Now get me my slippers.”

  13. “Use your privilege to make structural change.”
    I’m going to make an egg salad sandwich.

    “that’s what radical love looks like.”
    Honey, you’re too young to see what radical love looks like.

    1. This is how you respond to these fucks, brutal, uncompromising, vicious excoriation.

  14. Everyone who attends colleges is appropriating the idea of Academy from Plato and Ancient Greeks.

    So, all non-Greeks (actual descendants of the Grecian people), get the fuck out of school right now!

    1. Not just any old Greeks, either, Attic Greeks (from Athens) only; no Macedonians allowed. And Thracians are right out!

      1. And the count shall be three. Not one, Not two, but on the counting to Three.

      2. ATTICA! ATTICA! ATTICA!

    2. My liberal friends tell me Muslims invented colleges/university.

      1. They’re half right, which is pretty good for liberals. First university was in Persia. About 1000 years before Muhammad was born.

        1. Then that’s not half right, it’s all wrong. Persians that far back were definitely *not* Muslims, and I dare you to call one an Arab to his/her face!

          1. If they don’t want to be called Arabs, maybe they should drop an Arabic religion in favor of one of their own native ones?

            All of which are non-psychotic.

  15. The problem here is that the kind of Americans who want to engage in Hindu chants are mostly leftists who lack the balls to stand up to progressives who then cry cultural appropriation.

    Sort of like that ugly dude with the dreads who got pushed around in San Francisco. He’s a leftist himself so he had no way to actually push back against his mistreatment since he basically agreed with a lot of the bully’s points.

    1. Like I said, Stockholm syndrome.

      1. Stockholm

        Quit appropriating!

        The proper term in the proper racial context is ‘race traitor’.

        Just admit that you’re a fucking Nazi too.

  16. Why is it that whites are the only ones who WANT other races to appropriate our culture? We want it so bad we even force it on people against their will.

    1. Why is it that whites are the only ones who WANT other races to appropriate our culture?

      You never heard of jihad?

    2. No non-white people have ever done that.

  17. I want to believe this is a very small, crazy subset of an otherwise sane population, I really do.

    I just can’t.

  18. I’ve attended secular concerts which perform Catholic and/or Orthodox liturgical music.

    I didn’t know I was being victimized that badly.

    1. We all want to victimize you Eddie.

      1. Like priests with nearly pubescent alter boys.

    2. I’m an atheist and my favorite Christmas music is religious. I must be punished for my appropriation of the oppressed Christians!

      (seriously, how could even the most hardened non-believers not love “I Wonder as I Wander” or “Still Nacht”. Or Sting’s version of “Gabriel’s Message”? Or “The Coventry Carol”?)

      1. I hate country but Garth Brooks “The Gift’…make me eyeballs sweat.

        1. Garth Brooks “The Dance” you mean? Collin Raye did “The Gift” (or was the most famous country singer who did it).

    3. You live to be victimized, Eddie. Remember how you always used to whine about that, and nobody cared?

      1. Remember how you’re a big jerkface?

  19. If we want rigid cultural boundaries, why not give every culture a few reservations from which they cannot leave?

    1. Some sort of nation-state with strict immigration policies, perhaps?

    2. Where some can have casinos and sell fireworks, and others can’t?

    3. We could put Senator Warren in charge

    4. Next time I hear someone bitching about “cultural appropriation” I’m gonna ask them “so what would you rather have in our society… ‘cultural segregation’?”

      I mean, it’s one thing to do an ethnic activity and claim that white people originated it (what I believe the definition of C.A. should be). But I can’t cook Mexican or Chinese food? Listen to or perform rap or jazz? This shit is beyond ridiculous and I’m confident there’s gonna be a huge backlash soon against this cultural appropriation bellyaching.

  20. “that’s what radical love looks like.”

    My great grandfather heard that one before. His serial number was 78345-2383.

  21. I think we should segregate people based on cultural background so that we can make sure no one appropriates anyone else’s culture.

    So long as everything is still equal, I think the Supreme Court would be okay with this.

    1. You would think that.

    2. you…you..can’t be serious, you are joking. Segregation is INEQUALITY by itself!

      1. New here?

      2. I am not joking. Not only do I support segregation, but I also think that there are some cultures which are so terrible that we should put them in one spot so that they won’t infect the rest of society. We could ‘concentrate’ the ‘undesirables’ in one place, if you will.

        1. But what happens when the President’s jet crash lands in that place and you have to enlist the services of a snarky one-eyed mercenary to get him out?

          1. +1 Half-black hawk down!

  22. It’s so strange to see the return of CULTURAL SEGREGATION which is driven by the minorities themselves.

    Is it kind of Stockholm Syndrome passed through decades from nazi Germany? Why would ppl who fought many generations for the right to be part of society, to share, to mix, to give and take would suddenly demand NO-MIX policy?

    What next? They would start shaming mixed marriages and children with parents of different nationalities? They would demand separate restrooms and seats in public transport? WHY THOSE PEOPLE HATE THEMSELVES SO MUCH?

    There is no cultural appropriation, there is “give, share and take” multi-intevined national principle.

    Say “NO!” to return of Cultural Segregation!

    1. Why would ppl who fought many generations for the right to be part of society, to share, to mix, to give and take would suddenly demand NO-MIX policy?

      Because there is a segment of the cultural left that idolizes and empowers victims based almost solely on their status as victims. And since you get more of what you reward, people find new ways to be “victimized”.

    2. People like this that aren’t just white folks looking for a reason to feel superior to other white folks, generally believe that someone engaging in something invented by other people with similar skin color will take opportunity from them. White chick teaching Yoga will take away fame and students from a yogi teaching yoga. They are both right and wrong about this. They are right in that the mixed culture product that results will often be vastly more popular and palatable to the public at large. They are wrong because the mixed culture product will bring attention to the single culture product resulting in a much larger audience for the ‘authentic’ experience that would not have existed otherwise.

  23. Later, Grossman apologized for not understanding the consequences of her action or the offense that they would cause.

    Fuck this woman for apologizing. She had my sympathy until then. Responses like this validate their tyrannical and deluded worldview and guarantee that they will act this way again.

  24. The proper response is to explain that you self-identify as [insert appropriated culture here] and when they give you shit accuse them of victim-blaming.

  25. Progs aren’t liberals, Robby, any more than Caitlin Jenner is a woman. You’ll never be able to think clearly if you use prog language, because prog language is specifically designed to prevent clarity thought, and it’s meaning is constantly subtly altered not by the public at large, but by the prog elite, to better manipulate people.

    1. In their “original” definitions (i.e. circa 120 years ago), “Progressive” and “Liberal” were literally opposite.

      We’ve seen the reappearance of “Progressive” over the last 15 years as the Democratic Party has realized its fundamental opposition to “liberty” and started looking for a non-negative term to describe its opposite.

  26. So over 1000 years ago the Benedictine monks were culturally appropriating chanting from the Hindus without knowing they existed?

      1. I’d find it more convincing if the weird alien with the spinny floating things was the narrator

    1. Numerals, too.

  27. A group of about 15 students?self-appointed enforcers of rigid cultural boundaries?

    You know who else wanted to maintain rigid cultural boundaries?

    1. Louis Farrakhan?

  28. Later, Grossman apologized for not understanding the consequences of her action or the offense that they would cause.

    “You saying that it wasn’t intended to be harmful doesn’t make it an apology.” Both Saraf and Chokshi led the discussion with Grossman and highlighted the different ways that Grossman has the ability to give performances at the expense of minorities.

    Toward the end of the question-and-answer session, the conversation turned toward the actions that Grossman could take in the future to create systemic change. “Use your privilege to make structural change,” Saraf said. “You as a white person are protected.” Saraf closed the discussion by saying that she wanted Grossman to leave with that message because “that’s what radical love looks like.”

    *facepalm*

    Wow, so we’ve gone full 1984. We’ve got accusations of counterrevolutionary activities, tearful apologies, then a long term re-education.

    I’m sorry, but anyone who apologetically suggests that “Goals of Social Justice Warriors” are desirable is woefully ignorant of history.

    1. And self-criticism, Irish, don’t forget about that.

      1. I didn’t know Paul was one of my many racist sock puppets

  29. I didn’t know we had oppressed Hindu’s when did we do that and if we didn’t then how could we have oppressed them and how is it that person attending a university is oppressed. of course non of these questions will be answered without the the usual argument of privileged racist doesn’t and can never understand.

    1. The English oppressed the Hindus. The English are white people. American white people are white people. Therefore American white people oppressed the Hindus.

      It’s like you’ve never studied logic.

      1. There are several logic courses offered at universities, which are, in order of imcreasing complexity, as follows:

        1) symbolic logic
        2) mathematical logic
        3) super 5-dimensional logic
        4) female logic
        5) SJW logic

        1. I hope they’re all pass/fail.

        2. “Female logic”

          That is sooo offensive, but I shouldn’t have to tell you. You should just know already

          1. lol

        1. Oppressing Sikhs doesn’t count-they live for it.

  30. There is truth to all of this, and I see exactly that the SJWs want:

    Let’s acknowledge that the Bible doesn’t belong to European white people. We need to stop that appropriation and strip off that Semitic pollution of the pure indigenous European culture and go back to worshiping Odin, the Fuhrer, as is our natural racial heritage (for *real* Europeans, anyway).

    Maybe we can even mine our most ancient history and reinvigorate the cultural life of some of our ancient Aryan symbols.

    Why is it that I feel like if I were to go that way, there would be a whole different variety of outrage?

    1. No need. All white men are secretly Nazis, in their view. They are small-minded, hateful people and assume everyone around them is, as well.

      1. True – I suppose the real crime of cultural appropriation is the attempt to portray ourselves as anything *but* Nazis.

  31. You know who else was worried about whites appropriating non-white music?

    1. The artist formerly known as drawing breath?

  32. So now only Hindus are allowed to chant. Okay…

    What about Gregorian monks? Oh wait, they’re a bunch of Christian men — so the ban makes sense. If they open their mouths — off with their heads!

    But what about black gospel choirs? They chant sometimes. And, yeah, they’re Christian, but they are full of oppressed minority womminz of color. What to do?! I don’t know if they must be lauded or condemned. Oh My Gaia! My SJW head is about to explode!

    1. What about Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox monks chanting?

      Or Syro-Malabar Catholic monks chanting?

    2. What to do?! I don’t know if they must be lauded or condemned. Oh My Gaia! My SJW head is about to explode!

      Consult your social contract for the appropriate racial appropriation hierarchy. If you’ve lost your contract or it’s writings are illegible, just ask people until someone of any race takes offense that you even asked and then perpetually re-orient the contract to appease that person.

  33. ACTIVISTS: “Dean, there’s a non-Hindu student over there doing a chant!”

    DEAN: I’ll put a stop to it at once.

    [soonafterward]

    CHANTING STUDENT: “Om, give to the Loyalty Fund, Om, give to the Loyalty Fund.”

    DEAN: Hmm, seems authentic and indigenous to me, I’ll allow it.

  34. I enjoyed this comment:

    I wanted to congratulate these protestors for their bravery in standing up to cultural appropriation. How dare this white Jewess engage in Hindu chanting. Next time stick to Klezmer and highlights from Fiddler on the Roof.

  35. OWA TABOO BYAM!
    Is a incantation that is appropriate to all traditions. The faster you say it the more enlightened you become!

  36. My preferred ideal response would be, to the tune of “O Canada”…

    Go fuck yourself.

    Go fu-uuu-uuuck yourself.”

    1. But I’m intolerant like that.

  37. “It’s one thing for a non-member of a certain ethnic group to appropriate culture in a way that’s offensive or derogatory. It’s quite another to pay respectful homage to a foreign custom one finds inspiring.”

    NO

    ITS

    NOT

    One is simply an insult and the other is mealy-mouthed justification for something that you don’t need to justify.

    What is ‘culture’ anyway? Its *just an IP*. Nothing more. IP can’t be stolen. IP can’t be appropriated. IP only gets special protections when the benefits of those protections (to increase the rate of production of IP) exceed the harms of the protections – such as for copyrights and patents.

    If someone has a good idea, you are under no obligation to justify to *anyone* why you copied it.

    1. That’s Robby keeping his cocktail creds in line.

  38. Someone should invite Nitzer Ebb to play there.

  39. Humans imitate humans. Those who are claiming the right to interfere, punish or otherwise harm humans for imitating humans are in the wrong, here. They should be shut down and ridiculed. Culture does not trump humanity.

  40. Dude that makes no sense at all man.

    http://www.Web-Privacy.tk

  41. Would there be Naraka to pay if this were treated like court handball & someone called a hindoo on them?

  42. I must say that a the bottom of the article a comparison was suggested by saying if a Chinese student from China attending Brown, playing European classical music, would that be wrong?
    I would say that music is not a religion, and that Hindu chanting is part of rituals in Indian religious beliefs…
    Here is the comment used to compare:
    “When a Chinese student (by which I mean a student at Brown from the People’s Republic of China) presents a violin performance of classical (white) European music, is that also an example of “cultural appropriation,” and should that student’s presentation be subject to protest as well? I think the answer is obvious.”

    1. So unless you’re Indian you can’t be a Hindi or appreciate and emulate the beauty of chanting?

      What’s your point?

  43. This is such a radical shift from when I was growing up and in Colllege, when multi-culturism reigned supreme. These same types of people forced us to chant, etc. I always hated it, so probably would have been happier as a child growing up now…

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  45. I’m a member of a “protected minority” to the SJWs and I am embarrassed by all of this. If white people — whatever the fuck that term actually means since I’m actually also “white” according to the Census Bureau — want to make my cultural foods, GO FUCKING AT IT. I’ll be critical that it’s not like how my grandmother makes it and laugh haughtily at you but that’s about it.

  46. RE: Only Hindus Are Allowed to Chant, Assert Liberal Culture Enforcers on Campus
    Taking cultural appropriation to new extremes at Brown University.

    This only makes sense.
    Inclusion is not a part of liberal thought here in Amerika.
    Only Indians can become Hindus.
    When was the last time you saw a white Hindu?

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