How Democrats Win Debates by Corrupting English
Sloppy language, sloppy thoughts.

Humans have been using euphemisms ever since Adam first "knew" Eve. In politics especially, obfuscating and twisting the meaning of words has been going on forever. But today's debates aren't only littered with rhetorical distortions; in some ways, many of Democrats' most potent arguments are built on corrupt language.
One word that's really getting a workout this cycle is "loophole." Basically, all of life is a giant loophole until Democrats come up with a way to regulate or tax it. In its economic usage, "loophole"—probably more of a dysphemism—creates the false impression that people are getting away with breaking the law. It's a way to skip the entire debate portion of the conversation and get right to the accusation.
So when Hillary Clinton promises to close the loophole of corporate inversion, what she means to say is that Democrats disapprove of this completely legal thing that corporations do to shield their money from the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world. Loopholes are like giveaways, monies that D.C. has yet to double and triple tax.
It's one thing for Democrats to try and set the parameters of a debate before the debate is even had, but it's quite another to watch the press participate.
Here's CNN: "Clinton to push closing corporate tax loopholes." Here's The Hill: "Obama calls for Congress to close corporate tax loopholes." Here's how Halimah Abdullah and the Associated Press reported the issue on NBC: "President Obama on Tuesday criticized loopholes that help protect offshore tax havens and U.S. companies that move abroad for lower tax rates."
But Bernie Sanders, bless him, just skips the entire perception game and just comes out with it by tweeting: "The offshore tax haven network isn't something that we need to reform or refine. It's a form of legalized tax fraud that must end."
"Legalized tax fraud" is a revealing statement about the progressive belief system. For progressives, taxation is moral. So when you fail to pay an imaginary tax that doesn't exist but Democrats think should, you are by default engaged in fraud. The law has just to catch up with sin.
Take "access," formerly meaning having the ability to approach, enter or use. In today's liberal parlance, when the state doesn't give you something for free, it's taking something from you. It's denying you access.
When there's a lack of access to birth control, it doesn't, as the dictionary might lead you to believe, mean that Walgreens and CVS have been dissuaded from selling condoms, or that someone is bolting the door when women attempt to purchase birth control at the local pharmacy. It means that government has not made condoms free for anyone who desires them.
To oppose the latter—whatever you make of the position—is not tantamount to a ban or outlawing. Yet Clinton has accused Cruz of attempting to "ban" contraception. Neither Cruz nor any Republican in office today has ever tried to ban—prohibit, forbid, proscribe, disallow—contraception altogether. This is a fairy tale with a thriving political fan fiction community.
Voters who pay only marginal attention to political debates (most) are probably left with some vague notion that men are working to deny women access to birth control. It would be understandably disconcerting if this were true. The idea of a War Against Women loses a bit of its bark when it's really The War on Having Taxpayers Pay For Everyone's Pill.
"Any right that requires you to take extraordinary measures to access it is no right at all," Clinton recently lamented as she spoke about the prevalence of the anti-abortion movement's activism. Women won't have a true right on this issue, she says, "As long as we have laws on the book like the Hyde Amendment (a provision pretending to bar federal funds for pay for most abortions) making it harder for low-income women to exercise their full rights."
By "extraordinary measures," Clinton means walking past anti-abortion protestors who might say something that makes a woman uncomfortable. Any genuine attempt to hinder a person from walking into a Planned Parenthood is already illegal, after all. Some of us, you see, are imbued with special rights, or full rights. Women who support the right to an abortion, for instance, have full rights—not women who want to express themselves in opposition.
There are plenty of other distortions. "Disenfranchisement" once meant revoking the rights gained through suffrage, but has been corroded to mean asking a person to provide a picture ID or to wait in a line before voting. Today, a country that deports hundreds of thousands of people every year has open borders, while millions of illegal immigrants are called everything but illegal. Today, tax cuts cost Americans something, but state spending is an investment.
And so on.
This is just a small taste of the war on meaning, of course. And to allow them this falsification language is to surrender a debate before it even begins.
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Men just love taking the chance of an unwanted pregnancy, too.
I'm sure there's no downside to that; such as 18+ years of wage garnishment or prison time. After all, it's the woman's choice; the man just needs to pay up and shut up.
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You are so correct. But everyone with an agenda does it, not just the Dems. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand the Dems and the liberal agenda but the Right, Middle, Top, and Bottom is just a guilty in this.
Just as guilty? Not even close.
Yeah, the right has faults, but playing the shifting meaning game is not really one of them. That is tactic 1 for the left.
Depends on who on the right we're talking about. I was discussing the Donald yesterday with an acquaintance of mine, and he repeatedly used all of Trump's buzz words about the GOP and the convention (system is "rigged," they're going to "steal" the nomination). I had to painstakingly explain why those were Trumpian nonsense terms that are meant to twist reality to how Donald wants people to view it. (I obviously have no love for the GOP, but the Trump talking points were just too obnoxious and stupid to abide)
Anyway, there are con-men on both sides, and morons all around who will believe the shit they're fed.
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Did you have a seizure when you posted that?
Depends on what the meaning of the word is is.
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Dude... what. the. fuck?
It's squirrels all the way down.
Depends on what the meaning of the word isn't, isn't.
Depends on what the meaning of the word isn't, isn't.
Depends on what the meaning of the word isn't, isn't.
Also, I want equal access to the money that I pay in when I cannot access a tax loophole... I want to access my money right back! Is THAT a loophole?!?!?! Or whut?!?!?
What makes you think that Donald Trump supporters are actually on the 'right' anyway? He seems to be attracting more Democrats than Republicans...
Yeah. The Dems are running a second candidate on the Stoopid Party's ticket. Pretty slick, huh?
Good points, SoT.
Hoping msimmons will chime in & give us his as well.
Not going to argue about who is more guilty but just look at the article yesterday with the quotes from Maine's GOP governor. That is some pretty disgusting meaning shifting and is pretty common law and order conservative talk.
Beyond that the War on Terror has been filled with this bullshit.
Agreed. This is another issue rife with 'legitimate' perversion of language (i.e. not strictly convenient jargon or sensationalist hyperbole) by the Right.
War on Religion! War on Christmas! The gay agenda trying to program our children.
War on Religion! War on Christmas! The gay agenda trying to program our children.
I consider hyperboles like this, and especially these hyperboles, to be rather fundamentally different. First, for every Right source I've heard issue these statements (or similar) in earnest, I can find at least one on the left parroting or misquoting for dramatic effect, one parroting or misquoting for comedic or mocking effect, and one drawing them up as strawmen or epithets. Just consider who uses the prhases 'war on religion' and 'war on xmas' and how effectively they use those terms relative to 'racist', 'discrimination', 'homophobe', etc. Additionally, I'd say one side is, by far, more *proactive* about this perversion of English than the other. You have to assume your opposition and their followers to be pretty stupid to take the phrase 'War on Xmas' in the literal meaning, meanwhile homophobia has been considered for entry in the DSM and, despite it's absence, you can still find loads of people who will flat out say that just because it's not in the DSM doesn't mean it's not real and/or what someone is suffering from.
Of course the Donkeys are experts at distorting the language. They were English and humanities majors! Duh!!
I was an English major, which is PRECISELY WHY prog and authoritarian (redundancy alert) wordsmithing pisses me off to no end.
Words MEAN things, damn it, and the essence of progdom is to render this fact untrue.
I think the exception helps establish the rule and that the GOP can never be raked over the coals enough for defense spending. They are just as much if not grossly more guilty for converting the term 'cut' from 'decrease' to 'slightly lessened increase'. And the GOP is far more successful and facile at using this language in this fashion.
So, while we can all agree that 'War on Xmas' is a twisting of the meaning of the words war, it's hype for dramatic effect (kinda the purpose of language/communication to begin with) while 'defense cuts' are a more mechanistic subversion of the language.
You know who started twisting the meaning of war?
Samuel Johnson?
Sun Tzu?
I don't know about a war, but the progtards definitely do everything they can get away with to suppress Christianity. Doing shot like trying to shut down public expressions of Christianity is just their stock and trade. Best to just euthanize the whole lot of those progtards.
Progressives and Christians have a kind of love-hate relationship; just look at the relationship between the Catholic church and the Nazis.
Um....that isn't a case of sloppy language at all.
There are those that believe and have evidence to support that there are groups actively working to denigrate Religion (Christianity) within the US. Same with Christmas, although this is practically the same point.
There are also those that point to many examples where extremists in gay-rights groups are pushing pro-gay propaganda into elementary schools under the guise of 'diversity'.
The definition of "war" can certainly cover what folks believe is going on. Can't say I'm on board with folks on that, but there is quite a bit of evidence to support.
You are so right. Others might disagree but they all do it. Hell, I'd venture to say most in their life inflict their own biases on the words they choose to use. Article reads like crap to me honestly.
The Prog's War on Words can have unintended benefits in our personal lives, however.
For example, years ago, I realized that wasteful spending no longer exists -- it's now called "investment." You hear politicians says things like, "We need to invest in providing every preschooler in America with a new Mac and guaranteed access to broadband internet." So this means investing a measly 900 billion dollars. But think of the returns!
When my wife recently questioned why our rent check bounced yet I had a brand new quad and a trailer for it in the driveway, I told her, "Yeah, I invested in a dual-use transportation/entertainment system. It is part of my new Fun Initiative that will also include investments in a pool table, home theater room, and a restored vintage muscle car. Why are you opposed to having fun?!?"
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Has the "access to birth control" argument even touched on condoms? I thought another part of the absurdity of this was that "birth control" was assumed to be synonymous with birth control pills (which don't cost significantly more than condoms in the first place).
Condoms aren't real birth control due to the failure rate. Everyone knows that.
Just ignore the failure rate of the pill.
Does no one just pull out anymore?
Yes but it is, literally, the worst thing ever. It's like doing the most fun thing you can possibly imagine and then ruining it at literally the exact instant of peak fun by having to share that moment it with the person you hate the most.
Condoms are for the prevention of disease - says so on every package. That's why they are also called prophylactics.
Someone told me that men already get condoms for free. No, seriously. The voucher must be in the male-privilege starter kit that every man except me got.
We can, it just requires a brief stopover at your local gay bar. That some men (and towns) aren't comfortable enough in their sexuality to take advantage of their privilege does not mean that said privilege does not exist.
Boom. Feminists 1, Libertarians 0.
So what you're saying is that women are unable to pick up the same free condoms a man can pick up?
Boom. Logic 1, Feminists 0.
Condoms in a woman's purse is evidence that she is a prostitute sex trafficking victim.
By my count, that leaves us at:
Feminists 1, Logic 1, Libertarians 0
Don't give a shit who wins, but ties suck. Please break it.
Can't the Feminists just learn to swallow?
You never got your male-privilege starter kit? Hmmm...Maybe it's in the post office dead letter bin with my gay agenda packet.
Hillary is one gigantic loophole.
You spelled asshole wrong.
You spelled shrill soulless bitch wrong.
It's c-u-n-t.
she does use the non-profit loophole to get around those pesky bribery laws and avoid taxes on them. capone was a rube.
She's also using the non-profit loophole to get around estate taxes by placing her daughter on the board with a big fat salary.
Progs have declared wars on all sorts of things. The fact they do this sort of thing with language has also led them into reworking and revising great works of literature.
They actively and proudly engage in deception and lying for the cause is noble.
They're mental.
If mental means winning, they're seriously mental.
Winning, up until the point the 'people's' patience ends.
Reality seems to be their biggest concern.
Like declaring war for grain and land.
"Any right that requires you to take extraordinary measures to access it what doesn't belong to you is no right at all"
FTFY Hill.
"Any right that requires you to take extraordinary measures to access it is no right at all".
Like establishing your corporate HQ wherever you damn well please?
No. The owners and managers actually can charter their corporation wherever they damn well please.
I think female Democrats should "invest" in child safety and pay for my Uber on Friday nights. Nobody wants me to drive drunk now, do they? Possibly Saturday night as well. If we could save just ONE life!
Make checks payable to ....
If they don't agree to pay for it, they are denying you access to safe transportation, and you should sue them for violating your civil rights.
Sounds like you need a kickstarter campaign. You know, people coming together voluntarily to raise money; in this case, to pay for two people coming together voluntarily so that you can get a car ride. WAIT. Is all this still legal?
"voluntarily" is for Libertarians. Progs want to use the force of Government to make people pay for their pet projects.
I got curious about the origins of the word and went to wikipedia:
"Historically, arrow slits were narrow vertical windows from which castle defenders launched arrows from a sheltered position, and were also referred to as "loopholes".
Thus a loophole in a law often contravenes the intent of the law without technically breaking it, much as the small slit window in a castle wall is a small opening in a seemingly impenetrable defensive measure that lets the defender gain the advantage of being able to fire without easily being fired back upon."
They sometimes used a cross pattern as well.
And much like castle walls with slits, some loopholes are purposely built into laws to give advantage to "some" over others. Usually the company or group that pushed for the creation of the law.
What, like Union exceptions to minimum wage laws that ensure the people they're supposed to be working for actually make less?
Seems logical to me. I know I like to pay wads of cash to people to reduce my paycheck. Who doesn't?
slits
*giggle*
This is probably one of the worst parts about debating with the Progs. They are so far down the rabbit hole that you actually have to define words for them before you can even address the actual issue. By the time you get to the issue, you've already destroyed their entire worldview, so all they're willing to do is shriek and fling shit at you. They're so regressive that they can't even be bothered to learn language, they just parrot what their masters say without actually thinking.
In my experience, it's worse than that. Even when you define words for them, they refuse to accept any definition that contradicts what they want to believe. Between that and their view of logic and of any counterevidence to their views, they've ruled out any communication beyond "Yes, I agree with you on everything."
At least they fucking love science.
I fucking love social signaling.
DW-
See, "Minorities can't be racist."
This is why I have a thesaurus, and read it often. If they're so retarded that they want to redefine a word, I'll just use another word with the same meaning that's probably too long or complicated for them to know what it means yet. English is great like that.
Or to frame it in another way, they have placed a bulwark of redefined terms and language landmines around their ideas so that no one can touch them.
Trying to argue with these folks is impossible, because you will be endlessly sidetracked by arguments over definitions and accusations of using verboten words. And in the end they can always pull out the ad-hominem trump card - seeing as how you've refused their polite attempts to educate you on the proper use of language.
Cyto, I'll be damned if that's not the best explanation I've seen yet.
Seconded. Well done, sir!
Nailed it. This is exactly why I don't waste my time with them anymore.
I just led one down the path of agreeing that the FDA has no business telling people what medicine they can consume and in an internet comment thread of all things. Sure they aren't very bright but some of them can be taught just like a dog can be taught to shake hands or balance a treat on his nose.
I would remain skeptical until they demonstrate some resilience against "but the corporations would roam the barren landscape foisting their poisons on the hapless public unchecked".
Definitely not claiming this person saw the light but they can be navigated into reality for a very short time. Call it a libertarian moment with a really short half life.
They ingested some Libertonium
Lul
My favorite example is that a flat tax is called "regressive" by leftists. Huh? It's a flat percentage, therefore by definition it cannot be regressive. Oh, but poor people have a harder time affording X% of their total income than rich people do, therefore it's "regressive". So "regressive" means flat, and flat means progressive, and progressive means...not progressive enough, I guess.
Do you want to see a Prog sputter and spit and *maybe* even have exploding head disease? When they get into the 'Scandinavia is paradise, America is crap' thing, discuss their tax systems (especially the part in which the tax systems of the scandinavian countries are MUCH flatter than ours). Heck, in one place I had read, the Dutch tax system was effectively flat (maybe even a touch regressive).
Even better, discuss the abortion regulations in Europe.
"Any right that requires you to take extraordinary measures to access it is no right at all,"
See= New York State, Right to Keep and Bear Arms
*head explodes*
this.
and one of these things (bearing arms and free birth control) is an actual, real, constitutionally-guaranteed right.
And birth control costs a lot less than guns.
Terrorism, Torture, Regulations.
Using the fact that certain words can have extremely broad definitions to your political advantage is something both parties do but the left excels at.
Yup. I'm so damn sick of the right using "terrorism" to justify everything. They're just as guilty of pearl-clutching as the left is.
Try pointing out that the only substantial thing that has resulted from terrorism is the government cracking down on basic rights and all you'll get in return is wailing and gnashing of teeth as they try to justify the police state.
You mean a "war" on something that can never possibly be defeated isn't a good idea?
If we went to war that would be fine but since we no longer have the right to judge anyone even people who rape and kill and mame all we are doing is keeping them behind a fence and that only pisses them off more. Ideals such as ISIS need to be broken not just contained.
Democrats and leftists do seem to do more in terms of abusing the language for political advantage. Republicans are more into saying one thing and doing another.
Of course the Donkeys are experts at distorting the language. They were English and humanities majors! Duh!!
That's the entire point, isn't it? It isn't as if this is some secret knowledge, the left have made it abundantly clear that this is their plan for at least a hundred years. "Brave New World" was published in 1932 and lamented the abuse of language that was already an established political weapon.
I think I first heard this strategy labeled in debate club when I was a teenager. "He who defines the terms wins the argument". It seems that Aristotle was referencing this concept more than 2,300 years ago.
Aristotle is not on the Approved Author list. Be prepared to be probed and disabused of your white cis-gendered shitlord Western Civ ideology.
By "extraordinary measures," Clinton means walking past anti-abortion protestors who might say something that makes a woman uncomfortable.
Because it is only peaceful protests, not a national-wide movement on the state level to use regulatory burden to close abortion clinics with bullshit requirements.
Maybe don't obfuscate in an article decrying obfuscation, David.
It's obfuscation all the way down.
Who could object to reaonable, common-sense, abortion regulations?
A regulatory burden all other outpatient surgical clinics are expected to meet and do without claiming their patients rihts are being violated?
The solution is to lower the regulatory burden on all other outpatient surgical clinics then or outlaw abortion. Using regulatory tactics is just bullshit.
Wrong.
"In its economic usage, "loophole"?probably more of a dysphemism?creates the false impression that people are getting away with breaking the law."
Harsanyi. You are also misusing the language.
Yes, it is true you can't accuse someone of using a "loophole" until you first have a law to loophole through. However, a loophole is by definition not an illegal act. It is an exception or legal bypass of a law.
I think it is still fairly accurate to say that it creates that impression in many people. Or at least the impression that they are doing something wrong or violating the intent or spirit of the law.
Of course, you are right that exploiting loopholes is another way of saying "complying with the letter of the law".
Yes Zeb, it does create that impression because the word is misused. Misuse of the language and the erroneous impressions thus created was the point of Harsayni's article. I'm just encouraging Harsayni to not contribute to the problem he is lamenting.
creates the false impression that people are getting away with breaking the law
Harsayni is saying that it is a false impression because there is no loophole if there is no law.
In other words, he is criticizing Hillary for using "loophole" where it doesn't apply, he is not criticizing that "loophole" itself describes a legal act.
On a slightly different but scarier note is Harsayni's observation: Democrat's/Hillary's idea of a loophole is someone who does something that is technically legal because the G'mint hasn't gotten around to outlawing everything.
OK, I see your point.
How Democrats Win Debates by Corrupting English
Because Republicans NEVER do that.
I think the main difference is that right-wingers' biases are much easier to correct for while the lefties are masters at subtle but profound language subterfuge which is difficult to catch at first glance!
example?
"When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean ? neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master ? that's all."
-- Lewis Carroll.
Lewis Carroll took nudie pics of prepubescent girls, ergo everything he wrote is pedophilic propaganda.
Good Lord. What a whine. "Democrats don't fight fair. They make us respond to our own policy initiatives that we have no logical explanation for." Grow up, David.
They make us respond to our own policy initiatives that we have no logical explanation for."
What article did you read? Because I have absolutely no idea where you found that.
Fuck off Joe.
I can see how your own cognitive dissonance would make you see that when you read this article. That being said, if that is indeed what you see when you read this article, your case is so bad you should see a psychologist.
Joe hasn't taken his Thorazine today, again.
That being said, if that is indeed what you see when you read this article, your case is so bad you should see a psychologist.
I'd recommend skipping the chat with a shrink and just go straight to having a face-to-face chat with Smith and Wesson.
Wouldn't help unless Smith and Wesson get the last word.
For raw semantic agression, try this gambit from our new cllimate overlords at Nature :
The Paris Agreement has solved a troubling problem
By endorsing a limit of 1.5 ?C, the climate negotiations have effectively defined what society considers dangerous,
says Simon L. Lewis.
http://www.nature.com/news/the.....em-1.19774
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Spot on. I really can't stand their distorting the word "free". "Free" condoms. "Free" birth control. "Free" college.
Ain't nothing free, Bernie-ites. Oh, and you think this is a "free" country? Try walking into a privately owned bar and lighting up a cigarette.
If the control group's collective consciousness reacts positively, what difference does a dictionary make?
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It is called lying.
"Any right that requires you to take extraordinary measures to access is no right at all. Except the right to keep and bear arms"
FTFY.
Hillary Clinton finds a loophole she likes.
Meanwhile, Sanders takes more in tax exemptions on his 200k income than he argues should be permissable by law.
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Bernie Sanders certainly likes using the tax code to lower the amount of taxes he pays though. Hypocrite.
access to abortion has been greatly curtailed, thanks to laws regarding hospital admitting privileges, width of doorways, and other unnecessary building codes causing clinics to close. Protestors are nothing compared to the draconian laws being imposed solely to curtail access.
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"Any right that requires you to take extraordinary measures to access it is no right at all," Clinton recently lamented as she spoke about the prevalence of the anti-abortion movement's activism.
Restrictions on access to self defense / firearms.
Second amendment
New York
California,
Mass.........
Oh please. This comes from Harsanyi, a top tier spinner and language manipulator.
To quote his own words, which applies 100% to his own corrupt, incompetent side: "Politicians break their promises and modify their positions all the time, of course. They BS us about their opinions and carefully craft identities that are palatable to the average voter. When a person enters this political universe, we need accept that most of the things we hear are, at best, poetic truths." http://thefederalist.com/2015/02/11/ (space) what-obamas-gay-marriage-lie- (space) tells-us-about-politics/
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When George Orwell was fighting in Spain, a loophole was a slit through which one fired a rifle at religious fascists. When Herbert Hoover was president, a Liberal Party member in American was against prohibition and in favor of repealing all blue laws and bans on condoms, diaphragms and similar mohammedan and prohibitionist legislation. But antichoice infiltrators who abandon the sinking Prohibition, Republican, Constitution and Tea parties (all of them for forcing women to bear unwanted offspring) smuggle that coercive faith into the LP as a "subsidy." Women impoverished by mixed economy taxation and regulation are no different from Ebola victims in the same boat. Vaccinations against Yellow Fever, Anthrax, the Plague, etc. are a public health measure. Only fanatical conservatives fight for back-alley abortions, dirty needles, prisons stuffed with nonviolent teenagers, black markets and claim they are defending "freedom," "rights," or "markets." They are in fact spraying us with the same vote-repellent that sank their four identical parties.
What the hell are you smoking?
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