FBI Allegedly Cracks Terrorist's Phone, Ending Fight with Apple (for Now)
The Senate is still interested in legislation that could weaken everybody's security.


It appears as though a major court battle over whether the federal government can force Apple to weaken its iPhone security in order to assist in data gathering is not going to happen. That doesn't, however, mean this larger conflict is remotely over.
The FBI had gone to the courts to try to use the All Writs Act to force Apple to help it weaken the security of the work iPhone of Syed Farook, one of the terrorists who launched the deadly attack in San Bernardino, California. Apple resisted on the grounds that it wasn't possible to weaken the security on just one phone—doing so would weaken the security on everybody's phones.
The FBI asked for a delay on the court fight last week because it may have figured out a way to break the iPhone's encryption on its own. Today the Department of Justice announced they have succeeded in getting into Farook's phone with the help of a third party. Apple's help is no longer needed. From CNN:
A law enforcement official, speaking to reporters on condition of anonymity, would not reveal how it pulled off this hack, but he said the method only works on this particular model, an iPhone 5C running a version of iOS 9 software. He said it was "premature" to say whether this method works on other devices.
He would not name the "third party" that helped the FBI. And he refused to say whether the FBI will disclose this hacking method to Apple so the company can protect future phones from being hacked this way.
Normally, in a situation like this, the FBI must hold a high-level meeting with the president's National Security Council to discuss whether to tip off Apple about the hacking method, according to a senior Obama administration official. Hacks are only possible through vulnerabilities in technology, and the same method used by the FBI could be used by foreign governments to hack Americans' iPhones.
The FBI should have that discussion immediately, said Ross Schulman, senior policy counsel at the Open Technology Institute, a think tank.
Even though this particular fight is ending, the battle over encryption bypasses or "back doors" upon command by the federal government is far from over. Members of the Senate Intelligence Committee are currently drafting legislation that might require tech companies in some fashion to provide access through their own encryption. We don't know the final text as yet, but it would apparently authorize judges to order tech companies to do exactly what happened in this Apple case. Specifically giving judges authority to demand assistance would avoid a fight over the limits of the All Writs Act.
If you don't know why this sort of cooperation is bad, here's how encryption is important to everyday joes and the potential consequences of "back doors."
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Don't break the law and you won't have anything to hide, that is what I say.
Indeed. If you don't want to be treated like a thug, don't encrypt your data like a thug.
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Firsting comment sections long predates H&R. It's as old as message boards... maybe even older.
So when Vikings landed in America, the first guy off the boat screamed "first" in Viking? Seems about right.
I think his name was Leif Garrett.
Rand Paul.
The fist bump is part of the new department of health guidelines to prevent spread of infections. Handshakes are dirty now. I hardly call it thug life, more germaphobe life.
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"Indeed. If you don't want to be treated like a thug, don't encrypt your data like a thug."
If you want encryption, that must mean you have a Swiss bank account. You'll have to pay $1m/yr in estimated taxes until you prove you don't!
Swiss bank accounts have sucked for a long time. I closed my UBS a long time ago
Playa, that was a trope; c'mon!
Members of the Senate Intelligence Committee are currently drafting legislation that might require tech companies in some fashion to provide access through their own encryption.
Didn't these assholes just lose this battle a year ago?
Specifically giving judges authority to demand assistance would avoid a fight over the limits of the All Writs Act.
Oh, and this is a power that the legislature shouldn't really have in the first place.
This is basically conscription right? Legalized slavery?
Can't imagine the SCOTUS would approve. But, until it gets to them, we are all f*cked.
They're hoping to use the smokescreen of the Brussels bombing to get it passed.
A law enforcement official, speaking to reporters on condition of anonymity, would not reveal how it pulled off this hack, but he said the method only works on this particular model, an iPhone 5C running a version of iOS 9 software. He said it was "premature" to say whether this method works on other devices.
I'm no tech guy, but how can this be true from a purely technical standpoint?
Who knows if they're even telling the truth. For all we know they sensed that they were losing public opinion on something very important to them and decided to wait until they had a stronger case to revisit it.
What case is stronger than "Help us or the terrorists win"?
Pretty much everyone but that one. His work phone that they already had the password to until they told the county to change it. They already had all their call info and access to their personal phones. Were they expecting photos of ISIS's super secret no girls allowed clubhouse on it? He's going to ISIS contact info on his work phone?
Unclear on how they didn't retain access even after they changed the password.
Yes, that's the $64,000 question.
They forgot the password! Duh!
b/c they changed the account/user password, not the code string to unlock the phone.
The terrorists win anyway because the terrorist are not the object. Just look at how the Patriot Act is used against non-terrorists.
Does the bullshit meter go above 11?
My bullshit meter has no upper limit where government officials are concerned.
The biggest obstacle was the ability to keep trying passcodes. I believe on that phone the restriction was in software so not awful hard to get around. The newer phones may be a different story. The second hurdle was the strength of the passcode which I would guess wasn't real strong. How many people want to have to punch in a 7 character alpha numeric passcode to unlock their phone, not to many I suspect. This seems the most likely (other than they are lying) since we know the encryption has no known vulnerabilities.
Yes. Every iPhone model is different from a security point of view. Probably, it's a combination of the already weak iPhone 5C hardware with a specific bug in iOS 9.
I cracked my IPad. Stupid thing fell to the floor. A bit of black electrical tape keeps me from cutting my fingers, and maintains the machine's elegant looks.
They cracked that phone and they can likely crack any encrypted commercial cell phone.
I don't have to tell anyone that this fight wasn't over this one phone. Or about terrorism.
Nope. The FBI never needed Apple's help. They were just waiting for a case with good pro-security PR to come along so they could push for a very favorable precedent. It seems to have backfired on them both in the legal court and in the court of public opinion. So now they are quietly backing down for the moment.
you seem to have made the exact same point before me. (looks further up). Ah, twice. (kicks can)
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Q: Did "the hack" actually occur?
A: National Security
The FBI should have that discussion immediately
Hahahahahahaha, they'll get right on it.
Shorter Reason: government threatens Mega Corp. Mega Corp calls bluff. Government looks stupid, sulks until it can try again. Everyone wins, progs dumbfounded until talking points arrive on why other Mega Corps are bad.
Government is going to have trouble pushing around Tech Mega Corps. The vast majority of the population can clearly see the good that companies like Apple and Google do in their lives, unlike Mega Corps in other industries that are often targeted for irrational hate by the public (banking, insurance, telecom, etc.) This could change, though, if innovation stagnates or if people start to think they are entitled to innovative products. (Not that this is very likely to happen.)
Because this particular Mega Corp is run by a gay man who donates millions to progressive candidates and causes, and his products are, like, super cool and hip and urban and progressive too.
If this were a company run by an straight old white man who made guns or tractors or something else that the average hip liberal urbanite has no use for, then you can bet the demands for his immediate resignation and/or public execution would have been rolling in for a while now. He may have even found himself under federal indictment for obstruction.
It used to be run by a non-gay man. Not sure what is the relevance.
Then you should pay closer attention to the hierarchy of social justice pieties.
No thanks. Though I wouldn't mind one of those Magic Cloaks of Impermeability that you seem to think are being doled out to gays.
No you're right. There's no politically correct double standard in the media or popular culture for members of 'protected' identity groups like gays. No sir.
Gay men are falling out of favor on the stack, though.
That's true. Too many of them are going 'mainstream' and losing their radical progressive credentials. But as far as corporate CEO's go, the social justice mobs couldn't ask for better than Tim Cook right now.
A law enforcement official ? said the method only works on this particular model
So, all you terrorists -- use a different model.
I know, right? We managed to keep the effort to break the Enigma machine classified for 30 years, but these fucking idiots, who probably 'cracked' it using social engineering, are strutting around like the cock of the walk.
Be fair, it was the Brits that cracked enigma. If the Americans has crack it they would have sent a message to Hitler telling him to eat a bag of dicks.
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"Be fair, it was the Brits that cracked enigma"
Yeah, and for some reason the US cracking of the Jap "purple" code (similar scrambled machine code) gets little press.
The Brits swapped their hack for the US "purple' hack.
I thought the Poles cracked it first.
And the link verifies it.
Pretty sure the Poles were able to reverse-engineer the Enigma machine, but that didn't break the code, since it the wheels were reset daily; you might read the machine output but not the input X the scrambled wheels.
The Brits did a pretty good job via signal analysis (who's sending, what's the weather there, did they include X in the addressees), but it took until the Bombe that the output was reliably and quickly read.
I've never seen any real description of the Bombe, but it sure seems to have been a 'brut-force' calculator that simply examined a select portion of a message under hundreds of likely settings; one of which gave intelligible German copy; bingo!
Another clue that helped was that the messages usually ended with the phrase "Heil Hitler."
Pretty sure that was later, after 7/20/44, when the Nazi salute became required.
But yeah, after Canaris was ousted, Schellenberg may have been more loyal, but didn't help Nazi security one bit.
I thought the phone was locked from too many failed password attempts and would no longer take any password tries. If that was the case social engineering would be no good. They would have needed a technical solution.
Which is more likely, that the FBI figured it out on their own, or that they called up the NSA and said "pretty please, with sugar on top?"
What I meant is that someone who used to work for Apple or currently does helped them out, sub rosa.
Yeah, if anyone honestly believes that the fucking NSA doesn't have a way to get into an iPhone, then I have a bridge to sell them. But I'm sure they're very selective about using that capability.
So either the NSA is very pissed at the FBI for going public with this, or someone from Apple worked off the books for the FBI on this.
Hell, I wouldn't even be surprised if Tim Cook himself didn't offer official cooperation in exchange for dropping the suit and keeping the work quiet.
What sort of official cooperation? Does Apple really need money or favors? Maybe personal cooperation?
Tim Cook is in business, and part of his responsibility is to keep his company out of litigation even if he was in a sympathetic position and likely to win. Making the case go away was his top responsibility. However, openly cooperating was never really an option because it would have greatly damaged Apple's reputation in the market.
Apple could have offered official technical assistance to the FBI to unlock the phone on the condition that the court actions were dropped and the cooperation was kept confidential.
This way the FBI gets what it needed, and Apple still walks away with it's reputation intact.
That's some bad comic book conspiracy thinking.
The government is terrible at keeping secrets, and that's the crux of Apple's argument. If it slips that Apple is now secretly giving the gov what it wants, then they are publically fucked. You've got to be way high to think Apple is suddenly bending over for team snoop-pig, as they've now banked their company's entire reputation on public trust.
Further, you said before that you are sure the NSA has some secret way of doing breaking into whatever. I see no tangible proof to support this conclusion. The assumption that the NSA has magical competency powers, and been able to escape the hallmark curse of governmental incompetence and stupidity, sounds rather erroneous.
I think maybe some people watch too much TV/movies and have a hard time separating fact from fiction. Based on reality alone, there's a strong likelihood that the NSA is not the omnipotent, all technological powerful entity that some would believe.
"I thought the phone was locked from too many failed password attempts and would no longer take any password tries."
I wonder if it was an issue of password commonality. I mean, this wasn't the phone that Farook used for terrorist things, he destroyed that phone, this was his work phone. People generally use only one password for all their devices, and since this was not the phone he conducted terrorism stuff on, this was just another device to Farook. Maybe they just found a less secure service that Farook used, maybe some workplace in-house piece of software (some of those are ridiculously unsecure, I found out one of the pieces of software my workplace uses stores passwords as PLAIN TEXT, fixed that crap as soon as I found it), and tried out that password on his phone.
"...using social engineering..."
Sorry, HM, but that phrase cracks me up!
Hey, what's your birthday? S/S number? GF's phone number? Bingo!
Well in this case, I'm guessing the social engineering question was "Hey Bob, what did you set as the new passcode on this phone?"
So, all you terrorists -- keep using burner phones like you're already doing.
OR! duh, it never needed to and just claimed that it was facing un-breakable technology and therefore Apple must create skeleton-key software on demand or else The Terrorists Will Win.
#1 - I don't believe the FBI for a second, but in the unlikely event they are telling the truth:
#2 - Apple will not be "breathing a sigh of relief", they'll be watching their customers flee in droves looking for something secure.
Yes, I'm sure all the hipsters and cool kids with their iPhones are only using them for the perceived encryption level.
Oh don't worry - the squares using non-Apple products aren't safe either.
The government has, out of hubris, made a tactical mistake here. If you discover a secret back door you don't tell anybody! But we're dealing with megalomaniacs who feel compelled to flaunt their control over others. People who are apparently too stupid to understand that real power comes from secrets.
Yeah, if I was really concerned with covert ops, I would've just came out and said something like "the contents of the phone aren't worth the time it would take to move this through the courts, if there IS anything valuable on the phone, any future event that occurs is only Apple's to blame." Then withdraw the court case and silently use the crack you have.
This causes two things to occur:
1) Sets up a shift in blame, next time something like this happens, it was not FBI failure, it may have been Apple's fault. Every time an Apple device shows up in the hands of a criminal they could release info that they have "another phone we can't break into because Apple refuses to co-operate".
2) Every terrorist and criminal then thinks Apple is too secure for the FBI, thus, they stop using burner phones like they do now, and just rely on Apple tech that you've already cracked. People who want to hide stuff from the FBI flock to a tech that doesn't work.
They could have taken a moral high ground while simultaneously encouraging the people who wish to hide stuff from them to embrace a technology they knew how to get around.
Thank goodness the FBI isn't competent enough to be a truly shadowy organization...
Unless...
Wait, what if they can't crack this phone, they're just saying they can to encourage people to use other devices??
Rhywun, the very fact that the CEO of Apple (and his lawyers) were the only thing standing between you and your secure data should give everyone pause. A truly secure system should be beyond the creator.
As Phil Zimmerman , the inventor of PgP said about true encryption, the author should be able to give away the software code without compromising the encryption security.
The argument by the FBI is that the system was secure beyond the creator. They wanted to force Apple to create a new iOS version with a backdoor, then force the phone in question to update, and then viola: a backdoor.
Technically Apple could've given away their encryption code without compromising security (assuming what they say about it is true). The weakness the FBI wanted to exploit is Apple's automatic updates, which the FBI wanted Apple to leverage to alter the encryption in such a way that it could be decrypted without password.
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Possible translation of US govt bs: "It's humiliating to not have complete control over any and all information that exists on the planet. Also, how can a private company create something we can't come in and totally fuck up? So, we'll just say we cracked it and keep the illusion to save face."
You can't prove there weren't a thousand tangible terror plots prevented by the cracking of this phone. Is that the kind of world you want to live in-- one with an extra million acts of terror? It doesn't bother you that your selfish individualistic dogma would inflict painful deaths on a billion innocent children.
Oh yeah? Well you can't prove that a thousand potential terror plots never came to fruition because of Apple's encryption. After all, didn't not being secure in your papers lead to a bunch of terrorist plots in the past? Never thought of that didja Mr. Gman?
Look, back in those days, the people were oppressed by a tyrannical king, so they revolted and set up a democracy. And we have inherited that, so we don't have a king, and the situation is therefore just totally different. Everybody knows that, except for libertarians who want enforce "freedom" on everybody, whether they want it or not.
You're right. Temporary security is underrated.
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Hey, why is that drone still following me? I did everything you asked.
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear. Love it or leave it. If there was a problem, yo, I'll solve it.
There's always something to hide. As long as it's not taxable income or contraband, hiding things is a legal, normal, healthy activity.
There's always something to fear. Those who don't fear government incompetence or malice, are as they say, dumb as fuck. For further reference, remove head from anus, and see all of recent and recorded history. Governemnt squishes good people for no good reason, all the time.
How about something like this:
Company X and Government Agency Y guarantee security of Device Z, except for "backdoor access" by Y in case of emergency, via: If any Z is ever compromised, every individual in X and Z pays a massive fine and does massive prison tHAHAHAHAHAAA!! Damn, couldn't quite get it out!
*X and Y*
Is that the new public restroom sign?
*** flushes with pride ***
Is there no one but incompetents at the FBI?
The ideal solution for them was to be able to crack, and *lose* the case, so that people might have still thought that they couldn't crack it, and they would be free to snoop to their hearts' content.
Instead, they announce to the world that they can crack Apple phones. So that people concerned about being spied on by the FBI will no longer use them. What a bunch of morons.
Priorities, man.
Nah, they're making people *think* they can crack the phone, without ever having to prove it. Oh, and simultaneously destroying any confidence that the public had in Apple. Pretty clever, actually.
They claim it only works for old phones.
I really don't know whether to believe that they cracked it or trust them when they say 'it only works for this one type of phone.'
Taking this at face value: The FBI says it cracked a supposedly uncrackable encryption system and I am supposed to be HAPPY about it because they won't force Apple to do it for them?
I knew I shouldn't have left my tinfoil hat at home today.
Apple should update it's new logo with a bigger bite mark.
I'm thinking that maybe the FBI lost the phone and just doesn't want to admit it.
Listen, we all know who this unnamed person is...
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Ok, Papaya. I challenge you to a derp off. I raise your link, with this one.
How current does it have to be? This 2008 derp is a personal favorite.
That's a good one. When I was in the States a decade ago, I went to Barne's and Noble (?) to buy my nephew a copy of Atlas Shrugged. The checkout lady muttered, "Oh, you one of those". I let it slide just because I was busy.
Here's my counter shot: 2008 seems to be a good year for derp.
I don't have a link, but there was a case of a man who made a huge stink about the dictionary being racist, because while it said "nigger" was an offensive word, did not put that usage note first, before the definition of the word.
As soon as I saw the station logo I figured it would probably involve John Wiley Price. The man is a walking fountain of derp.
God, I remember when that happened. Even the proggie papers and blogs here were like "WTF?".
Have a look at their admission policy, but stop if you feel an aneurysm coming on.
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My favorite snippet thus far (emphasis obviously mine):
It looks like cisgender males are worse than Nikki.
Nobody is worse than Nikki. So, yes.
Looks like Black Lives Matter is continuing to get results.
The article you're using as the basis to give the hypothesis that Chicago police being less abusive has led to more crime credence contains the following graph :
So... you've conducted 1/8th as many searches... and found almost as many guns? Those other 137,000 instances in which cops were their usual dickish power-tripping selves to the public must have uncovered other malign behavior somehow more related to gun violence than, you know, people with actual guns... ?
Good point, but more has changed than cops being "less abusive." They're also doing less proactive policing of the good kind, because they don't want to be the subject of the next viral video, even if they do everything right. So black neighborhoods are getting less policing, just as BLM wants. The result is #BlackLivesSpatter.
We'll see if the longer term trend bears out.
Less policing might not be a bad thing, jo.
Yeah, here in St. Louis we are dreading warm weather. Looks like it will be a record year.
It's a shame that police apparently can't drop the predatory stuff without stopping street crime.
I'd like to know if they actually got any kind of evidence from the phone. Hopefully the supposed journalists around here won't forget that point. I believe that there's nothing at all on the phone, and the issue was a red herring.
I'm sure they had sympathetic friends and contacts.
Well, that's the real trick, isn't it.
It's just so weird that there are so many people eager to sell our rights short--and they seem to be the same people who wouldn't think of limiting immigration from terrorist, anti-American hotbeds.
Why is watering down our Fourth Amendment rights preferable to limiting immigration from certain countries?
I could ask the same question about plenty of our other rights, too. Are there people in Congress who would rather torture Syrians in Guantanamo than stop them from immigrating here in the first place--because stopping Syrians from immigrating here in the first place might seem racist?
Eh. As long as they get a court order/search warrant, I don't see how it's a violation of rights.
I certainly think that they can't compel a private company to work for the government to unencrypt the phone.
But warrants exist for a reason.
The real problem is judges rubber stamping them. But in the case of a literal terrorist, I really don't see how the government wanting to read the contents of his phone is a bad thing.
"Eh. As long as they get a court order/search warrant, I don't see how it's a violation of rights."
Do you know why the NSA was tracking all of our phone calls?
Because they could. Once it became technologically and economically viable to do it, that's what they started to do.
If the government had a back door into our encrypted phones, they'd use it.
"But in the case of a literal terrorist, I really don't see how the government wanting to read the contents of his phone is a bad thing."
Once they can require companies to provide them with a back door, how do we know they'll limit its use to terrorists?
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