Caitlyn Jenner to Students: 'I Get More Flak for Being Republican Than Being Transgender'

Not a surprise, especially on campuses.

A University of Pennsylvania student told Caitlyn Jenner during a public Q and A that she just couldn't understand why the former athlete and celebrity—a role model for the transgender community—remains a Republican. Shouldn't Jenner hurry up and declare herself a progressive Democrat, already?

"Just because you change gender doesn't mean you change your core beliefs," suggested the event's moderator, journalist Buzz Bissinger.

Jenner didn't seem surprised by the question. "I have gotten more flak for being a conservative Republican than I have for being trans," she said, according to billypenn.com.

Jenner has made similar claims before—presumably with reference to the liberal biases of the sorts of people she encounters in Hollywood. But the remark was even more fitting when made against the backdrop of the University of Pennsylvania. No place on earth is less tolerant of non-liberals and non-Democrats than college campuses. They are friendly toward trans people—a good thing, because trans people deserve the same rights and respect as everyone else—but aggressively hostile toward disagreement.

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Comments

[Notorious UGCC]

"[Related: Transgender Activist Tells Gay Students Their Kinky Tumblr Posts Are Triggering]"

Have you guys manage to verify that story yet, or are we still going by assertions in some advice column?

[some guy]

Meh. If it sounds too stupid to be true, it probably happened on Tumblr.

[Illocust]

I've had read columns by feminist activist bitching about how all BDSM with a female sub is bad, unhealthy, and non-consensual. They believe no woman can agree to be treated that way and any man that agrees to do so doesn't think of women as equals. I've heard similar arguments about fanfiction or other types of porn that depict rape.

So it would not surprise me if this was something that really happened. Not overly concerned if it didn't though. It really is just not that important of a situation except for the people involved.

[Pay up, Palin's Buttplug!]

There are also people out there who believe all heterosexual intercourse is rape...

[Ship of Theseus]

PIV... learned something new today. So fuck you for that.

[Episiarch]

That's super interesting, Tulpy-Poo. Tell us more about your fascinating insights.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Go check the IP logs for your blog. I'll wait.

That hit from the IP address in Manhattan Beach on Verizon Fios? Yeah, that's me.

If you keep trying to fuck up this site, you know what's going to happen, right? RIGHT?

[Microaggressor]

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

[Just say Nikki]

Apropos: microaggressions against conservatives at Georgetown Law.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

I think that got covered yesterday.

[Irish ?s ESB]

"Leaders of the Federalist Society chapter and of the student Republicans reached out to us to tell us how traumatized, hurt, shaken, and angry, were their fellow students. Of particular concern to them were the students who are in Professor Peller's class who must now attend class knowing of his contempt for Justice Scalia and his admirers, including them. How are they now to participate freely in class? What reasoning would be deemed acceptable on their exams?"

Jesus. Just call the pathetic left-wingers cretinous assholes and move on, no need for the waterworks.

[Irish ?s ESB]

This guy nailed it:

"[I]t strikes me as somewhat surprising how almost SJW-ish ["Social Justice Warrior"-ish] the end of the Open Letter sounds with its talk of micro-aggressions and trauma, etc. I wouldn't have expected that from the two conservative profs at GULC."

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. And now the left-winger responded and made the conversation even dumber:

"Accordingly, I am writing to correct the lie. Prior to this incident, I disagreed with Randy and Nick on many issues, but always assume they were honest and had basic personal integrity."

This dipshit just danced on the grave of a dead Supreme Court Justice and he's whining that people said mean things about him.

Children, am I going to have to turn the car around?

[R C Dean]

So he's saying that people talking about micro-aggressions and trauma, etc. are dishonest and lack basic personal integrity?

Has he held that position all along, or did it just come to him when he was in the cross-hairs?

[Heroic Mulatto]

Jesus. Just call the pathetic left-wingers cretinous assholes and move on, no need for the waterworks.

I'm leaning toward self-consciously trolling.

[Just say Nikki]

Yeah, that was my assumption.

[Suicidy]

Professor Peller should be badly beaten and given a warning too 'lay off the conservatives.......or else'. That should be the end of it.

[Loki]

Maybe they're just deliberately throwing the progtard's bullshit back in their stupid faces to troll them?

[Brendan]

That was my guess. It's also exactly the approach I'd take to mock "trigger culture".

[Derp-o-Matic 5000]

That was my reaction, too

[R C Dean]

Same here. These are very smart guys. Too smart to actually believe that crap. They are just holding people to the standards that those people have adopted for others.

[GILMORE?]

"Leaders of the Federalist Society chapter and of the student Republicans reached out to us to tell us how traumatized, hurt, shaken, and angry, were their fellow students. Of particular concern to them were the students who are in Professor Peller's class who must now attend class knowing of his contempt for Justice Scalia and his admirers, including them. How are they now to participate freely in class?"

Are we to be shocked that Conservatives, having witnessed the efficacy of students whining about 'mah feewings', inevitably adopt the political tactics of the left? 'Claiming trauma' is the coin of the realm on college campuses.

In any case = the author suggests that particular rhetorical appeal was probably calculated =

"To the extent that the left is often about playing the victim, it seems to me that Barnett and Rosenkranz are saying, "Two can play at this game." The conservatives are taking the "talk of micro-aggressions and trauma," typically deployed so effectively by liberals, and turning it around on them."

Reading the thing, it seems like the students are just being used as pawns in a bitch-fest by professors anyway. The guy who started it all is now claiming he's been defamed

Protip = Make sure to only shit on the dead! the living tend to flop and demand a red-card

[See Double You]

Protip = Make sure to only shit on the dead! the living tend to flop and demand a red-card

The problem, as Professors Barnett and Rosenkranz point out, is that when one shits on a dead public figure, inevitably one shits on that public figure's admirers.

[Real American]

good. they should file bias incident reports to the diversity office of diversity department and demand immediate punishment of the offenders. The accusation should be enough evidence to support firing these bigoted lunatics w/o need for any type of hearing or further investigation.

[Drake]

I would be much more interested to hear about Jenner's steroid use in '76. Did he cycle? Or did he just keep using them and destroy his body's ability to produce testosterone - putting him on a road that led to him eventually becoming an old lady?

http://justnotsaid.blogspot.co.....enner.html

[Sevo]

Dunno, I'd say what s/he ingested is his/her business, not mine.

[Drake]

I could say the same about his politics. On the other hand, chemically screwing yourself up might be an example you want to warn young athletes about.

[mad.casual]

On the other hand, chemically screwing yourself up might be an example you want to warn young athletes about.

This is just the next/another iteration of anti-steroid hysteria. Plenty of people use with zero problems. Plenty more have naturally higher levels some/lots who use. More still are more "manly" that lots of the previous two groups regardless. If hormone levels were the cine que non of gender and/or testosterone specifically, FtoM transgender wouldn't exist or, in cases of Ovarian Cancer would induce transgenderism (rather than just masculinization) predominantly rather than rarely.

Learn as much as you can before and exercise caution during use? Certainly. Cease use if the unexpected happens or if you become a danger to yourself or others? Yes. However, these rules apply not just to steroids but, other medicines, cars, guns, toaster ovens, your own genitals, tap water...*everything*.

[sloopyinTEXAS]

I would be much more interested to hear nothing about Jenner's steroid use in '76. Did he cycle? Or did he just keep using them and destroy his body's ability to produce testosterone - putting him on a road that led to him eventually becoming an old lady? ever again

FIFY.

[cgr2727]

Thanks for the use of the male pronoun. Until they take the hedge-clippers to his crotch, he's still a he. I might be willing to grant the use of "she" to someone with the balls to go all the way through the surgery (ironic pun intended), but even then, there are those pesky Y-chromosomes. In any event, I will always call him "Bruce," just like there is no such thing as the "Willis" Tower in Chicago. And get off my lawn.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Let me guess, you're a KJV-Only-er as well, right?

[Suicidy]

Or go with 'hehe'. Fucking transtesticles............

[Drake]

It was certainly a "he" in '76.

[Azathoth!!]

I think this is one of the things I actually like about Jenner*.

She doesn't mind if you call him 'Bruce', or use male pronouns or female pronouns or whatever. He seems to know that she's done something strange and unsettling and is content in her own head to deal with it.

Though I susprct that she's gonna vote the 'reality star' ticket.

*Kan't use 'Caitlyn'--sounds too much like the rest of the Kardashian/Jenner klown kar

[Sevo]

"...but aggressively hostile toward disagreement."

"Diversity" means what they say it means and no more or less!

[sloopyinTEXAS]

S/he should get more shit for xer fucking driving than anything else.

[esteve7]

see: south park

[Loki]

+1 "Buckle up buckaroos!"

[Pay up, Palin's Buttplug!]

"I have gotten more flak for being a conservative Republican than I have for being trans," she said, according to billypenn.com.

Translation: Democrats believe she doesn't know her place.

[sloopyinTEXAS]

But the right are where all the bigots exist...

[Ken Shultz]

You know how a lot of anti-Muslim folks are often going on about how Islam isn't really a religion--it's a political philosophy?

Well, I'm here to tell you that progressivism is a religion.

I've written here a hundred times that progressivism is dumber than creationism when it comes to things like economics. Your average progressive doesn't understand global warming and climate change any better than creationists understand evolution either.

Average progressives don't believe in the things they believe in for scientific reasons--although they'll spout off about "science" and the heathen who don't understand the scientific gospel truth. Progressives talk about scientists like they're a priesthood, and they believe what scientists say for the same reasons that peasants in the Middle Ages believed what their priests told them.

Religion is a way for people to deal with uncertainty, and uncertainty is the human condition for progressives, too. They deal with it by putting their faith in certain things. And progressives hate everyone who rejects their faith for being heretics or the heathen.

Americans are still a very religious people. It's just that charismatic progressivism has taken the place of traditional religion for people on the left. Progressivism gives meaning to their lives. Hope for the future.

Voting for someone like Obama or Sanders is their communion with the divine. Progressivism is a religion.

[cgr2727]

I, for one, call for a Crusade.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Well, yes. American 21st century Progressivism is merely the rump ideology of the earlier American Protestant Social Gospel movement of 100 years prior.

[Ken Shultz]

Yeah, I'm aware of its origins.

It's still that.

The credo may have changed, but the believers are still the same.

If they understood themselves better as a religious movement, it might help.

No one so dangerous as true believers.

True faith doesn't abrogate uncertainty. It abides uncertainty.

Christians, Muslims, atheists, communists, fascists, progressives, . . . I don't care what the belief is. Become absolutely certain and they're dangerous as hell. And being certain because of what scientists say or for any other reason doesn't change it. The worst human disasters in history were all perpetrated by people who were sure they were right.

[Suicidy]

Most democrats are Progressive Orthodox.

[Pay up, Palin's Buttplug!]

The Phanar would disagree with that.

[GILMORE?]

"You know how a lot of anti-Muslim folks are often going on about how Islam isn't really a religion--it's a political philosophy?"

First i've heard of it.

I do think you're generally right about your observation re: progressives, but only insofar as almost EVERYTHING has religious elements when it comes to collective-identification.

[Zeb]

Maybe people aren't claiming that it is absolutely not a religion. That would be absurd. But there are certainly plenty who claim it is primarily a political philosophy.

[Ken Shultz]

It's all about Sharia, doncha know!

The Shia and the Sunni are fighting about whose version of Sharia will be implemented.

Read the Quran! It's all about the law.

It's about taxes, inheritance laws, divorce, criminal punishment, etc., etc.

I'm not saying that--that's just how the argument goes.

They're usually trying to justify ignoring the religious rights of Muslims on the basis 1) that Islam isn't really a religion, and 2) that the goal of Muslim immigration is to institute their politics.

[ant1sthenes]

I think it's often just to circumvent notions that we shouldn't make blanket judgments about people based on their religion, since clearly we are allowed to make blanket judgments about people based on their ideology.

[lap83]

Islam is clearly more political than most religions, but I've never heard anyone claim it's not a religion.

[GILMORE?]

"The Shia and the Sunni are fighting about whose version of Sharia will be implemented"

Oh, if you're talking about the "War within Islam" (sunni vs shia) and the "War on Terror" (west vs. islam)...

....in those cases I actually myself very much think its *mostly* a political conflict and not a 'religious' one.

I've been saying this for years. Its actually part of a 'realist' underlying argument to everything. People may superficially disagree about "religion" but the actual things they're disagreeing about are Political Power, Territorial Control, Resources (oil), competition between interest-groups that want to retain their historical authority, etc.

not necessarily "about taxes, inheritance laws, divorce, criminal punishment, etc." or the piddling technical details about 'sharia' - but about WHO gets to enforce it.

I don't think that squares with claiming "islam isn't a religion, its a political philosophy".... but i would entirely agree that fights *within* islam, and between Islam & the west are Political in nature.... and not about political 'philosophy' but about far more pedestrian concerns like, "Who's Going to be the Boss of X Patch of Dirt"

[Ken Shultz]

Jesus Christ, I'm not making this up.

Read any Islam thread elsewhere on the web, and you'll see these arguments constantly.

This site is particularly instructive:

https://www.politicalislam.com/about/

And I say "instructive" as in 'instructive about the ideas of the people who are bashing Islam'--not "instructive" as in 'this is what Islam is really about'.

politicalislam in "instructive" in the same way that stromfront is instructive. If you want to know what the white power people are thinking these days, you go to stormfront. If you want to know what the Islam bashers are thinking these days--you might check out politicalislam.

It's all about how Islam is a political system rather than a religion.

[Ken Shultz]

"Only the political system is of interest to kafirs (non-Muslims) since it determines how we are defined and treated. The Islamic political system is contained in the Koran, the Hadith (the traditions of Mohammed) and his biography, the Sira.

Political Islam has subjugated other civilizations for 1400 years. Our mission is to educate the world about political Islam, its founder Mohammed, his political doctrine and his god, Allah.

. . .

Islam is a political ideology.

Islam divides the world into Muslims and unbelievers, kafirs.

Political Islam always has two different ways to treat kafirs?dualistic ethics. Kafirs can be abused in the worst ways or they can be treated like a good neighbor.

Kafirs must submit to Islam in all politics and public life. Every aspect of kafir civilization must submit to political Islam."

Ibid.

[R C Dean]

I think Islam is much more of a hybrid religion/political movement than Christianity, and that makes it for people whose model of religion is based on Christianity to comprehend just how much of Islam isn't religious/spiritual, but is political/ideological.

[Ken Shultz]

I've been reading about some Norse practices lately. The new age, History Channel, black metal, D&D, and even horror movie versions of Norse religion are soooooooooo sanitized.

I didn't think it was possible to sanitize human sacrifice, but the way the Vikings sacrificed people was incredibly brutal. One of the best descriptions of the practice was by a Muslim who witnessed a Viking funeral. It wasn't about willing victims on slabs and quick blows to the heart. The Vikings gang raped sacrificial offerings--the descriptions of it are just horrifying. Those descriptions of the practice were fairly consistent from varying sources, as well. The sacrifices at the Temple at Uppsala were incredibly brutal. The horrifying debauchery amid the gore, the brutality of it, the unspeakable nature of it, that all seemed to be part of what made it holy.

When Islam spread itself through Africa, Central Asia, and elsewhere, it displaced incredibly barbaric customs like that. The Vikings were especially brutal, but they were by no means unique. Islam represented both a more peaceful religion, compared to what it replaced in much of the world, and it represented something like what we think of when we talk about the rule of law.

[Ken Shultz]

When Muslims think about Islam being the religion of peace or the religion of justice, they aren't necessarily thinking about themselves in contrast to Christianity (although that's part of the equation, too). Anybody who was ever forced to read Achebe's Things Fall Apart knows that what Christianity replaced in Southern Nigeria was a lot more brutal than Christianity. As brutal as Boko Haram is, what Islam replaced in Northern Nigeria was a lot more brutal than Islam, too.

[Suicidy]

To your second point; the institution of islamic politics isn't the point go islamic immigration. But it is consistency a by-product of it.

[Ken Shultz]

We can't just project whatever motive we want on a group of 1.2 billion people, but those who are anti-Muslim and anti-Muslim immigration can find their examples.

I think there are lots of religions that suck. Scientology sucks. Catholicism sucks. I think they suck because they hurt people.

But the question of whether something is hurtful and the question of whether the government should discriminate against a religion are two different questions. Other people's right to be Muslim doesn't disappear depending on whether their religion is good or bad for me. People like things for qualitative reasons, and that's perfectly valid.

I like motorcycles, women, hockey, money, sailing, and Protestantism (not necessarily in that order).

Other people like baseball and Islam.

[mad.casual]

because trans people deserve the same rights and respect as everyone else

Disagree, because the topic is so insane that every word of that sentence, including the articles, is overloaded with meaning.

[Zeb]

Not sure how anyone can disagree there. Everyone deserves the same rights. The respect part is a bit complicated. I'm not sure that everyone deserves respect at all. But either everyone deserves respect or not everyone deserves respect. So it's technically true. Which we know is the best kind.

[R C Dean]

I would say that you deserve the same (negative) rights as everyone else. How much respect you get is an entirely different matter.

[FreeRadical]

Here goes Soave again conflating personal beliefs with public ones:

They are friendly toward trans people?a good thing, because trans people deserve the same rights and respect as everyone else

I, personally, am friendly to every human I encounter. However that doesn't mean I automatically respect them nor their life choices. And being friendly to someone has nothing whatsoever to do with their "rights". No one has the "right" to have everyone be friendly toward them or respect them. It's an absurd notion.

[lap83]

Not to mention subjective

[Zeb]

No one has the "right" to have everyone be friendly toward them or respect them.

But that's not what he said. He said they deserve the same rights and respect. I think we all agree that they have the same rights and deserve to have them respected. If you don't think people all deserve respect automatically, what he said about respect is still true. If people in general don't deserve respect, then neither do transgender people in general.

Sorry, I'm just being pedantic and literal. I agree that it's silly that he always inserts those little caveats, but that's how Robby does it and he probably has his reasons.

[Real American]

they don't want the same rights and respect. They want capitulation and to force everyone to go along with their delusions.

[Suicidy]

I'm friendly towards schizophrenics too. But at no point do I not recognize the it's a serious mental illness. Same thing with trannies.

[Crusty Juggler]

"There goes my hero/watch him as she goes
There goes my hero/ she's ordinary."

[lap83]

Foo Fighters? Are you challenging Nikki for the title of worst?

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[EscherEnigma]

"I have gotten more flak for being a conservative Republican than I have for being trans"
If she wants to experience it the other way, she could try living among and socializing with the conservative Republican base.

Which is the biggest complaint about Jenner, and LGBT Republicans like them. Most of 'em never live in places that are Republican. Most of 'em are quite happy living in blue cities/states and would never dream of living in Republican-dominated states and cities.

But hey, LGBT Republicans could turn the party around. Eventually. Maybe. If they ever decide to stop supporting Republicans that are proud of their anti-LGBT intents and actions. (Looks at the supposedly "pro-LGBT" that have already publicly made donations this election cycle). Someday.

[R C Dean]

If she wants to experience it the other way, she could try living among and socializing with the conservative Republican base.

Based on my personal experience in West frikkin' Texas, the bigotry of conservatives against trans-folk is greatly exaggerated by people with little exposure to conservatives. We had a bunch of older doctors on our medical staff - West Texan, conservative, and doctor is not a recipe for filtering what you say, believe me. We had a doctor on our medical staff who was transgender, went deep into hormone therapy, may have even had some surgery, and changed her mind and began the journey back.

They were 100% supportive. Damn bigots, amirite?

[R C Dean]

One other thing about this West Texas community. The elected, and re-elected, a gay man as their mayor. And it wasn't like it was a big secret he was gay.

ooh, conservatives are just big meanie bigots against gays and trannies is mostly a lie, in my experience. Sure, there are some, but the vast majority are much more tolerant than it is convenient for their enemies to admit.

[JoWaDat889]

Dude that makes a whole lot of sense man. WOw.

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[Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper]

'I Get More Flak for Being Republican Than Being Transgender'

Sad that he's not getting more flak for being a murderer.

[Suicidy]

Neither is Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, or Barack Obama.

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