Donald Trump, Jeb Bush, Eminent Domain, and the Keystone XL Pipeline,
Face it: Trump is right that the Keystone XL pipeline is only getting built with massive use of eminent domain. Same for most other mega-projects.
There's no question that one of the most memorable exchanges in last night's GOP debate in New Hampshire came over the question of eminent domain, the constitutionally sanctioned taking of private property for public use. Donald Trump is for robust use of eminent domain, including instances that most people would agree constitute eminent-domain abuse. That is, situations in which the property being seized is delivered either immediately or soon after to a private entity (such as the egregious case in which Trump himself worked with Atlantic City officials to kick a widow out of her house so he could expand a parking lot he owned).
Not all eminent domain is abuse, though, even after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled dumbly in Kelo v. New London, the 2005 case that sparked new state-level protections for property owners, that a city could essentially take any property and give it to private developers as long as the planned development would somehow benefit the public via higher tax revenue. (Reason covered Kelo long before the case made it to the Supremes; read our interview right after the discussion with one of the lawyers representing Suzette Kelo, Scott Bullock of the Institute of Justice.)
As Robby Soave has already noted, during last night's debate, Trump clearly lost the audience when he unapologetically defended eminent domain. But he also made a point that received little to no notice but is just as telling as the real-estate mogul's willingness to use whatever levers he can to get what he wants: The Keystone XL pipeline isn't getting built without yuge amounts of eminent domain. And what's more: Jeb Bush, who pushed the Donald out for his willingness to try (unsuccessfully) kick widows out of their homes, agrees.
Check out the exchange, part way in:
TRUMP: …Eminent domain, the Keystone pipeline—do you consider that a private job? Do you—do you consider that…
BUSH: I consider it a public use.
TRUMP: No—no, let me ask you, Jeb. Do you consider the Keystone pipeline private?
BUSH: It's a public use. It's a public use.
TRUMP: Is it public or private?
BUSH: It's a public use.
TRUMP: Real—a public use?
BUSH: Yeah.
TRUMP: No, it's a private job.
BUSH: It's a public use.
TRUMP: It's a private job.
BUSH: Established by the courts—federal, state courts.
TRUMP: You wouldn't have the Keystone pipeline that you want so badly without eminent domain…. You wouldn't have massive—excuse me…you wouldn't have massive factories without eminent domain.
Note that Barack Obama's years-long dithering on giving the OK or not to let the Keystone XL pipeline to built was seen by virtually all Republicans as yet one more sign that the crypto-Muslim was hell-bent on destroying America. Because the extension of the Keystone pipeline crosses the U.S. border with Canada, the president ha sthe authority to halt construction if he determined the construction wasn't in the "the national interest." Obama determined that it didn't. And when Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders also eventually came out against the pipeline, it was just one more sign that Democrats, liberals, green-meanies, and whatnot were not just ideologically blinded by the global-warming lobby but were positively rooting for America to become a third-world country. It's an article of faith among conservatives and many libertarians that the pipeline should have been approved.
It's also safe to say that all the candidates on the stage last night support building the Keystone XL pipeline. And it goes without saying that many if not all of them are totally against eminent-domain abuse, which got its sanction from the 1949 Housing Act, championed and signed by Harry Truman as a means of ushering in a vast era of "urban renewal" (the writer James Baldwin quipped bitterly that "urban renewal means 'negro removal.'")
The real question, and one that Trump raises, is whether using eminent domain to build a privately operated pipeline such as Keystone XL constitutes a legitimate use of the process or not. In Texas, pipeline operators avail themselves of eminent domain if they agree to be "common carriers,…a pipeline that will be available at market rates for other companies to use, and therefore in the public interest." The Keystone case is complicated enough that the Institute for Justice, the libertarian public-interest firm behind the Kelo case (and dozens of successful state laws that tightened use of eminent domain at the state level) takes no position on whether the proposed project is a legitimate use of eminent domain:
But Steven Anderson, the Institute for Justice's managing vice president, told ThinkProgress that the group's focus is on making sure eminent domain is reserved for "traditional public uses," and that it does not currently take a position on pipelines in general or Keystone XL in particular. Instead, he said, the group focuses on "obvious private to private transfers."
Is Donald Trump an unabashed supporter of the worst and most-obvious use of eminent domain abuse? Absolutely, and it's one more indicator that he's not a limited-government character.
However, if Jeb Bush and all the other pro-Keystone XL candidates onstage last night agree the pipeline should be built, then they've got a tough question to answer. One so tough that the group that almost singlehandedly brought eminent-domain abuse to light a decade ago hasn't taken a position on the project. Should all the people booing Trump last night be forcing their favored Republican to explain whether he thinks the project should only go forward without using eminent domain? Or at least, that he should clarify (as Bush did) that he believes the pipeline serves a public interest (which is different than "the national interest")?
In 2013, Reason TV offered up "3 Reasons To Build The Keystone XL Pipeline," none of which addressed the question of eminent domain:
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OMG ONLY 19 BLACKS HAVE WON THE SUPER BOWL MVP!?!?
Spike Lee, whatchagondoboutit?
So 38% of the time, while they are only 13% of the population.
Sounds like the NFL needs affirmative action for white, Hispanic, Asian and other players.
Von Miller is about to win it, so that evens the odds a little bit.
A stopped clock is right twice a day.
One of the biggest problems is this yes/no type of debate. It's both private and public, just as "private profit" vs. "public interest" is also BS. It can, and is, both. Similarly, BOTH Clarence Thomas AND Anita Hill lied... AND told the truth, but about different things. (Obviously, there was a long-term love affair and falling out. If you watched the hearings and didn't reach this conclusion, you're blind, or you don't know anything about a woman scorned... or schlonged, as the case may be)
But the human mind is built this way, to make distinctions. We have to do better to fill in the picture. Knowing human nature helps.
Troops in Afghanistan? I've been misinformed.
"when Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders also eventually came out against the pipeline"
The State Dept. under Clinton approved the pipeline. It seemed strange to me when it did so in opposition to Obama. It was only after I read this did it make sense.
http://www.commondreams.org/ne.....eystone-xl
Its also possible that State was just being honest because there was in fact no problem with a canadian pipeline.
I have no doubt Clintonian corruption was rife. Its just that, donations or no, State made the right call. Ultimately the white house nixed it almost entirely on their own whim.
The anthem is a compelling piece sung straight, and every year, without fail, another performer makes me hate it a little more.
You saying they sing off Key?
*grudging applause*
+ 5 Whitney Houston RIP
I agree.
With all due respect to Marvin Gaye.
The Gaye estate is doing quite well, thank you!
It is an ungainly song.
I watched very carefully. Marlee Matlin signed it WAY out of tune. She must be tone deaf.
::silent chuckle::
I think we should stop performing the national anthem before sporting events, anyway.
Ironically it probably became the national anthem thanks in part to being played before sporting events.
Jimi has a monopoly on the correct way to present the anthem.
The saddest part about this comment is that it will be lost at the top of the comments.
You should repost this wisdom at the bottom.
Let prices work and you don't need eminent domain.
How would you arrange route selection and price agreements? Has your method been tried on a large scale project? How did it work?
Good question. How did Disney assemble the vast acreage for Disneyworld?
That's the sort of thing I am interested in. How did they do it?
In the early railroad days the companies hired "route men" who would clandestinely buy up right of way. Now, because of regulation, routes have to be publicized in advance, so strategically located owners can hold out for immense prices or environmentalists might hold out for planet saving reasons.
It would be hard to get something like a pipeline or electric transmission line built for an economically feasible land acquisition cost in a finite time without some mechanism like eminent domain.
THAT WAS A CATCH.
WTF?
And that was a touchdown ... panthers have to be pissed.
Ah ha ha
Such it, Kitties
Such it.
So touchdown.
Why is Reason not live tweeting this?
Because football is yokeltarian. Don't worry, they're gonna have in depth coverage on a penny farthing time trial live from Williamsburg, Brooklyn coming up soon.
That penalty must have been called in by Goodell himself.
Bull fucking shit.
The Broncos are making Cam Newton look like Tim Tebow.
The game is early... but yeah. He's looking like a marginal QB so far.
So much for that. I can't see the Broncos winning after that drive.
Peyton is throwing softballs and the Panthers just ran five completely different plays from five different sets and the Brincos didn't stop a single one of them.
But the Panthers are out of challenges... hard to go against the narrative now. I predicted the Panthers by 16 before the game started.
Ooh, that kick return is pretty big.
Tommy Lee Jones is gonna take on Jason Bourne?!
I get the hate for Damon, but Bourne is my man.
The real question is... why do so many people watch CBS? Seriously, Big Bang Theory?
I haven't watched a non-animated show on an over the air network since Seinfeld.
Are there any animated shows worth watching anymore?
Rick & Morty? And South Park's still good. I haven't seen the most recent season of Archer.
3soery, I meant OTA. I also have no cable.
On network? Bob's Burgers is quite entertaining.
BBT's immense popularity is a great mystery.
Almost as mysterious as the popularity of BBW's.
Everyone needs love.
Does this need love? Really?
GQ hired her?
Not that I read GQ. All the more reason not to.
Ever think that's the entire problem?
Yes.
I thought you'd be "intrigued", Crusty.
She needs love too, from a men's rights activist. They all need to get laid and shut up
Did you call me a MRA? Oh. Em. Gee.
BBW: Build-A-Bear Workshop?
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=bbw
I can't say I've met many people who watch it. And absolutely NO ONE who thinks its appointment viewing. And I'm in my late 20s, and the show does well in the 18-49 demo... so I have no idea who the fuck watches it Live and when new. I've met people who were excited about reruns on TBS and other stuff... but CBS' complete lack of streaming means that I meet basically 0 people under 30 who watch them regularly.
Thus, the "popularity" of BBT mystifies me. The number of people I meet does not gel with the demo's numbers, and I can't explain it other than the idea that I live in a bubble.
Eminent domain for public use - roads, parks, schools, whatever - is categorically different from "for the public good" which is just whatever the government wants to do in the name of picking winners. And that's more of the central planning crap - SCOTUS could just have easily ruled in Kelo (as they did in Brown v Board of Ed with the "separate is inherently unequal") that allowing government taking land "for the public good" is inherently not in the public interest. Ask Detroit about GM and Poletown, the grand-daddy of modern eminent domain and the poster child for why it doesn't serve the public interest to have governments deciding what's in the public interest. Or ask LA and the LA taxpayers about the Rams.
Dude, we are talking about football now.
You want to discuss football? http://dumcoach.com Or, if you're not primarily into kids, coachhuey.com . Or Delphi's single wing, etc. forum. Or their double wing forum. Or any number of others where you don't have to just watch, but can do something about it.
Interesting, Jerryskids...I never thought of the possibility of extending Brown to ED cases.
Watching Bud Grant walk on to the field in a t shirt in -10 degree weather before the Seahawks game was the highlight of the NFL this year.
I'll say it: World Series Superbowl.
Shit. Greater than symbols are disallowed? Wtf reason?
Thought I missed some new meme.
Apparently Bernie Sanders runs this place now and we can't denote something as greater than something else.
No country needs more than one sports championship.
-Bernie Sanders
No team needs more than one sports title.
-Buffalo sports fan
I'm not a big fan of either but I would rather insert unpleasant devices in every sense organ than watch baseball.
Then you are unamerican.
Like I didn't know that already.
What about it? /non-sports person
It's like the refs want Carolina in the game more than the Carolina players do.
This game is all penalties and turnovers
This game is being played to the pain.
YES!!!!!!!
Independence Day Resurrection!
I hope the market will stop supporting sequels.
So do I, except for that movie. I can't wait for that.
Port parody- reserection. It's all about native Americans getting it on on the 4th of july.
"Independence Day: Reservation"?
I'd green light it.
I'll have what he's having.
Yeah. What he said
Why Cam no dub ?
If he wins, I just hope he doesn't get the MVP. He's such a dickhead.
Yeah. What he said
Why Cam no dub ?
Yeah Coldplay.
Colbert is the best they can do after this? Good God.
Commercials are fucking bullshit. They didn't even post Bryan Wilson's phone number.
That's the lawyer for me.
Is he out of bed?
Disneyland, Disney World: no ED.
Pipelines, whether they're common carriers or not, require & deserve ED. It's about 1 of the fundamental freedoms: that of movement. Whether it's a cattle drive, automobile traffic, getting to a boat landing, or docking the boat, you need easements or else freedom of property precludes freedom of movement. You don't need or deserve ED for a factory or other big, blocky pieces of property, but you do need ED to assure that property owners don't get in the way of passage of vehicles, electricity, goods, or pedestrians.
Walt was big in the viagra scene
Transportation easements are the most supportable form of eminent domain.
Trump reminds me of some managers I've known. Always have an immediate answer, and occasionally that answer is even right. But mostly, no, but it takes some thinking and some time to clearly explain what is wrong with the answer. It is always easier to throw bullshit at the wall, than to clean off the wall.
Jeb failed by not cleaning off the wall, trusting in the audience to recognize the bullshit for what it was. Trouble is, many people simply lack the capacity to follow the arguments on their own, so as long a Trump responds confidently, they think he is winning.
Trump has the gift of throwing bullshit at the wall faster than most. Much like the Clintons. When your arguments are simply for the purpose of manipulation of others, and not constrained by correspondence to truth, you can make them faster.
You know how I know you're all gay? Because you like Coldplay.
Now that's not fair. I know plenty of gay people who rightly think that Coldplay is shite.
*raises hand*
First 2 albums, good. After that... tripe.
When they started taking themselves seriously.
I'm guessing he means gay like "that's so gay" gay.
Get up on your movie quotes, people
What's worse: Coldplay or Cosplay?
Easily Coldplay. Cosplay can be hot.
Cosplay is just an pretentious excuse to dress slutty, just as 'burlesque' is a pretentious excuse to put on a strip show.
i.e. - i'll deal with it because i like slutty, but i'm not going to pretend its not just dork-porn.
Oh sure, I wasn't suggesting otherwise. Just that it had more redeeming qualities than Coldplay.
I like Coldplay like this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmUHFgNFRG0
A bunch of holes popped out of the ground and very long bowie knives with wings slithered into the canyons of reality and skinned twelve rocket ships and the bones thereof glistened under the rainbow suns.
You should be hired to direct the next halftime show. I'd watch that.
You should be hired to direct the next halftime show. I'd watch that.
I swear I only hit submit once.
Sounds like apostasy.
Blacks are 13% of the population yet have done over 33% of all halftime shows.
#superbowlhalftimehateswhitey
To be fair, Phil Collins was the back up selection for half of those
They definitely had to black this one up after five minutes of just Coldplay.
That was an orgasm of sellouts.
The vast, vast majority of halftime shows suck. Katy Perry was a rare exception, not because she's all that talented, but the venue lends itself to pop stars with flashy stage productions.
It's remembered ironically, because it was so awful.
I thought it was fantastic. And I hate most modern pop music.
Where the fuck is the shark on the left when we need him?
Wherever you are, we're in this together.. wtf?
He's British. There hasn't been a Brit with an independent thought since Jack The Ripper.
Men named Jake everywhere just gave their girlfriend the stink eye.
I'm sure abusers named Jake slapped the shit out of their girls.
I hate watching the Super Bowl live at 10am on a Monday morning. The face paint is freaking out my boss.
Gotta support the team!
Am I yokeltatian for being impressed Beyonce can do that on grass?
Trumps point did get notice here last night by a few of us. Of course most commenters couldn't grasp it.
Yeah? And so? Nick, do you support building Keystone? You certainly did in the past.
This must be the worst day of the year for you. Waaaah
Yeah, no Jets in Super Bowl. It's a tradition.
However, if Jeb Bush and all the other pro-Keystone XL candidates onstage last night agree the pipeline should be built, then they've got a tough question to answer. One so tough that the group that almost singlehandedly brought eminent-domain abuse to light a decade ago hasn't taken a position on the project.
You're looking at this backwards. The fact that even an extremely anti-eminent-domain group like IJ backs away from condemning ED for the Keystone pipeline is strong evidence that it is a legitimate, constitutional use of the power.
The reason IJ doesn't take a position is probably that they'd lose half their donors if they said it was OK, and would look foolish in the court of public opinion, where they wage a lot of their battles, if they said it wasn't.
I have money on the Pulsatrix perspicillata winning the Superb Owl trophy.
Poor Santana, reduced to intros from commercial breaks.
Running iut of bounds? Exactly what I expext from OSU pansies.
Easy now.
I'm a 59 year old who grew up in rural Texas.'
I like Bruno Mars. The kid is talented. He can sing and he can dance along with it.
Why isn't this kid more of a superstar ?
I'm seriously asking ?
1, he's the wrong kind of brown. 2, he's like 3ft 6 inches tall.
He needed a catchphrase there, like "whatchutalkinabout, Beyonc??"
I laurfghed.
What kind of brown is he ?
Tom Cruise isn't much taller is he ?
Half Puerto Rican half Filipino.
I thought he was a star?
Me too. I mean, I hate the music but I've heard of him so usually that means they're already a star.
Yeah I guess he is a star.
My question was why isn't he a superstar ? Did you skip that part ?
He shows more talent than some who are bestowed superstar status.
Wrong managers ? Wrong PR people ?
There are no music superstars anymore. The market is too diverse.
Well, talent doesn't correspond to stardom, so... I've got nothing.
Getting caught doing blow off of a toilet in Vegas set his career back a little bit.
Really? Seems pretty in line.
As far as pop performers go I agree. Props where it's due.
Pop is a girl power game. Hip hop is for the fellas. And R&B can go either way.
Graham Ga-nope!
I'm glad Gano found work after the Violent Femmes broke up.
Laces out too. Good hold.
Doink
"An H&R Block agent once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti."
Doritos is winning
I missed that one. I liked the Amazon machine commercial, though.
I missed that one. I liked the Amazon machine commercial, though.
Apparently the squirrelz have been drinking as much as me tonight.
Nothing can touch Doritos.
They were condemned by NARAL, seriously.
I'm not a big football fan - is it me or is this match really boring?
Both.
It's not a flashy offensive game, but I think it's actually a really good defensive showing so far. It's still anyone's game halfway through the third quarter, which is better than most Super Bowls I've watched.
Good points. I'm only half paying attention anyway.
Match? I believe you.
Who's winning the match?
lol
That cough always gets me. I do that all the time.
"Match" = one instance of a game.
Also, the pitch looks artificial and why the hell are there so many people in the technical area?
I just wonder why the supporters in the north stand aren't singing.
Their side needs another wicket
I actually think this is a pretty decent defensive game. Denver's d is giving Newton a migraine but Carolina is still in it.
Xifaxan would have won if that bowel would have dropped a turd while running into the stadium.
Xmen... I want to like you but I can't see another Brian Singer led movie.
Yet you said you hated sequels less than an hour ago.
I do. I want to like them, but I know they will suck. I've always wanted 1 GOOD xmen movie. Instead they've given me 7 crappy ones.
i thought #1 and 2 were both Ok. everything else has been steadily declining. this new one looks like a shit-blender re-run of the Avengers movies ("omg the world is ending") with a B-team cast. At least the days of future-past plot was interesting.
I was seeing flashbacks of Maurice Clarett for a second on that play.
context
Cam better step up or a lot of gamblers are going to be pissed off.
Weiners
Hey Heinz, you can't play that song unless there's a girl in a bathtub opening her wrists!
With ketchup flowing out? Bathtub full of hotdogs or daschunds?
That would have been the greatest commercial ever.
I missed my calling as an ad man. Found it as an assistant man, knowwhatimsayin'?
God damned autocorrect.
Bathtub full of hotdogs? Yes please.
Denvers OL just pushed the runner 5 more yards past the first.
Should have been a penatax.
I saw what you meant, whats the penalty? it was a scrum, he was on his feet. seemed legit to me.
They changed that rule year or two ago.
I didn't know that.
I just knew it used to be illegal for an offensive lineman to push the ball carrier forward.
Used to be called "leverage" but it was changed.
Once upon a time, helping the runner run forward was considered great hustle. A center doing this a couple of years ago helped make him my favorite player on the team.
Yet another instance of everything that used to be great football being declared against the rules.
By the way, Dez Caught the Ball. So did Megatron.
Give me your crazy, your depraved, your horny masses yearning to rape free.
I'm beginning to wonder if Assad, ISIS, and whichever clown is in charge in Baghdad these days aren't pulling a Castro and emptying their prisons and nuthouses into Europe.
It has already been discussed, Tulpa.
So these seem to be the most uneventful Superbowl commercials evah.
Has the NFL and the Networks jumped the shark with Superbowl commercial prices ?
have most advertisers decided to skip the process and not spend millions making and then millions showing a 30 second advert ?
Doritos had one of the best ever. The Audi R8 would have been better if it was a surprise but I watched it on the internet yesterday.
It looks like most of the commercial budgets were spent on hiring celebs. The only one besides Doritos that really stood out was the singing sheep one, but that's only because I have questions about someone that looks at a herd of sheep and thinks of "Someone to Love".
I'm more baffled by the notion that there might be a rancher who would drive that POS Honda Ridgeline.
Is Ginn Jr. Afraid to take a hit for a few more yards?
All I know is the Ohio State receivers are keeping Carolina in the game.
Yes. It's the story of his career. He's done it since day 1. That's why he's not a Dolphin or a 49er or a Cardinal anymore.
Wade Phillips is the MVP so far
Somewhere a Bum is smiling.
No. He's dead.
Great DC.
Best superb owl defensI've performance of all time?
Da Bears
Football, booze, laundry, salsa and phone autocorrect don't mix.
Why do I get an image in my head of a load of laundry being washed with salsa and someone dipping a chip into a bowl of laundry soap?
Not that bad.
Just depends on the salsa.
Mmm. Depends filled with salsa.
-Crusty Juggler
Somebody doesn't like cilantro.
I'm never singing about my conception.
Yeah, that was... odd.
Is the NFL advertising getting lucky after the game?
Mos' Def'
Who else thinks Goldblum would be a fun guy to hang around with?
+1
Here comes the Manning Gas Face.
He trots like an old man with a gut.
I just wonder when the people at Hasbro are going to file an IP suit against him for ripping off Mr Potato Head.
OT: I just found out, as a yuge fan of mustard and mustard related products, Canada is the biggest producer of mustard seeds in the world.
Saskatchewan rules, man.
It's time for an Ohio State receiver to make a circus catch for a TD.
If you're in Vegas get to a sports book and make that bet!
Never mind. An Ohio State player broke the pass up instead.
So far, an assist on a turnover, and Gano would have apprciated those extra 5 yards on the pong catch and run out of bounds.
Note to self- just writ 1 song that gets in a popular commercial.
So it's within 1 score now. late in the game.
Assholes are beginning to tighten up.
Just like in the Xifixan commercial?
I think you just won the thread.
13% of America is black yet 95% of Internet threads are won by white people.
#theinternetslovewhitey
Irish approves.
Everyone in America will know about Irish by Valentines Day.
I hope it doesn't come down to a kick for Carolina 'cuz Gano doesn't look too sure footed this evening.
If he missed that one... the fix would definitely be in.
These commercials suck.
Kia ad sucks even with Kietel and that's hard to do.
Walken?
Walken ?
Yeah that too.
I'm into the beer as my mom would have said.
But still you got my drift ?
Right Spence?
I thought I missed one. I'd like to see the bad lieutenant sell some cars.
Why didn't Acura hire Keitel for their ads? The Wolf would have been a better fit for them.
WHY CANT TOM SELLECK RUN FOR PRESIDENT??
He's not that stupid.
Not unless Higgins, Rick and T.C. are involved.
And Mac.
Ked Woodley is getting pumped
When will the Colbert experiment be over?
Never, apparently
The fix is in. Peyton gets 200 wins by order of the NFL.
I think it's far from over.
If Denver can get a least a field goal here it looks like the game is their's.
Yep. Even if they just give it back with Carolina at their 20, the defense will hold.
Mirren for the win? Though, really, reckless driving, not drinking Nad driving, right?
Sweet! I was,hoping to get a lecture tonight.
Fuck you, Budweiser.
Now you get it.
This.
Jesus, lay off, you nag
DD? No Double Ds.
Nobody has ever driven drunk after drinking Budweiser. Science.
Your body cannot consume enough in a short enough period to lead to intoxication. - harvard
The Belgians turned Budweiser into a bunch of fags.
WHYCOME NO CLYDESDALE AMURIKKKANA?
Acording to some random British cunt, I'm a worthless creature for drunken vehicle operation
Brits don't drive drunk because their government has made it to where they can't afford to drive.
And their cars suck.
I'd happily drive a Wraith, a Mulsanne, or even a Continental GT. Or anything US legal from Lotus, Morgan or TVR.
I think Morgan is the only one still wholly British.
That's Dame random British cunt to you, pal.
Hey, everybody, did either team hit a home run yet?
Manning is on track for a triple double.
If Carolina gets a try here and the conversion, they'll win.
Just a score means it will go to a breaker.
I wonder how much injury time there'll be?
What does the Manning leg lift mean? It means something different in my house.
Too much fiber.
If Denver wins it ain't because of Manning datsfirshur.
But all people will ever remember is another ring.
Which isn't entirely unfair, since he's probably been the best ever, and doesn't get the credit because he doesn't have more rings. A ring he doesn't really deserve kind of evens that up.
Way too early to not go for a first down in a one possession game.
Cam is wilting.
Any free throws?
Any sticky wickets?
Did anybody get the puck past the goalie?
And THAT is the game.
Yup. She done.
Holy shit! Holy shit! Holy shit!
Newton shits the bed!
Well that's probably the game.
Game over.
Sports books who couldn't play off the Cam money win big.
Halfback pass here would be awesome. And it would work.
So, I figure he lost about 100 million in endorsements with his play in this game.
And Manning will make a fortune becoming the spokesman for HGH.
No one's head is that big without help.
Rocky Dennis begs to differ.
That movie freaked me out for years. I blame Cher.
Remember how freaky Lyle Alzedo looked? Yikes!
Yeh, about Newton not jumping for the ball. Not a good look. People will make hay of that.
Racist much, Irish?
Meh.
Now that's game.
That was a pretty boring game.
Still can't believe that first incomplete pass wasn't overturned
Turn out the lights
The party's over
They say that all
Good things must end.
Turn out the lights
The party's over
And tomorrow starts the same old thing again.
I saw Willie sing that at the last regular season game in the astrosdome... bittersweet.
Manning actually completed a pass into the end zone!
Your alcohol must be lower abv to have such nimble fingers.
Wife is home. Drinking stalled.
Hey, Manning got one in the endzone this game.
He did? I missed that.
It was the two point conversion.
It was the two point conversion.
Billy "White Shoes" Johnson with the two point conversion!
Damn, Denver could have won this game with Tebow
What a strange year for Denver. Wade's defense should be the MVP.
Yeah, there's been no standout but the defense was lights-out.
It's been amazing.
In retrospect, it's been entertaining. Not as much as last year but pretty good.
Von Miller?
Maybe, but they'll give it to Manning.
I hope not!
That would be retarded.
No individual player really stands out, so it goes to the QB.
Not always.
Chuck Howely was a defensive linebacker who won it even though he played on the losing team.
You know it's going to be Manning. Whether he deserves it or not.
Cam acting like a bitch. Play better, asshole.
This is the most racist Superbowl evah !
Probably not enough for RTP but that was a cheap shot by Wolf on Newton.
Cam is having a meltdown. Post game could be one for the ages.
+1 Monotony.
Peyton Manning has begged for a roughing flag or fifty in his time.
But he's white.
Cams postgame was a series of one word answers. Low class loser.
Can we get back to Trump now?
Trump can make the Panthers great again... OR the Broncos could have won with Trump at QB.
The Panthers were Loooow energy.
Who does he play for?
So, is OT OK now?
SF city gov't spends $240m/yr on bums, wonders why there always seems to be more of them:
"S.F. spends record $241 million on homeless, can't track results"
http://www.sfchronicle.com/bay.....ate-result
Paywall alert but the photo and caption are quite enough; how would YOU like lunch personally delivered to your abode?
Why do the bums in SF all look healthy, young, and employable? Unlike here in NYC.
Now Colgate hates our affluence!
I've never felt like such a shitty human being watching the Super Bowl before.
We should all get disentary in solidarity.
Some opioids would fix that right up. The cause of, and solution to, all life's problems indeed
Using is stealing.
I guess Peyton can smile at family functions again, at least for now.
Eli having one more SB than him was proof life isn't about fairness or equality.
or merit
Him and those flailing, loft passes.
And intelligence doesn't matter as much as luck.
Show some class carolina.
Yeah, they should have knocked Manning on his ass five seconds after he threw a pass to be as classy as the donkeys.
Well, you were only president because of an assassination.
There's going to be a significant transfer of wealth out of that state now.
LOL, Peyton congratulated Papa John.
NFL meets nascar.
Oh give it up and fucking retire, you old fuck.
Peyton hit them all. Family, Budweiser, and god.
What? No love for Ari Fleischer?
Bernie Sanders tweets: When I'm President no QB would be allowed to win more than one Super Bowl.
Where is the shot of Can giving his congratulations to the winners ?
Did the network skip that ?
In his defense, handshakes and congratulations usually don't happen with the media crush after the Super Bowl.
Cam went down, more than a few times, along with the libertarian moment. That is to say, before he even showed up.
If he drinks a lot of Budweiser, I hope he doesn't drive. Don't want Dame Helen Mirren giving him shit.
He's rich. Different rules.
I would drink a shitload of Budweiser beer if I were him too, after winning another Superbowl despite my best efforts to lose it. Peyton had less to do with winning that than Cam did.
As an upside for Carolina, a lot of kids in Nigeria and Ethiopia will be wearing their championship shirts this summer.
Lo fucking L
Bruce Wayne would never fly Turkish Airlines.
BEN AFFLECK IS NO BRUCE WAYNE!!!!!
Too true. That movie is going to be so horrible.
They're still marketing it. They have a woman with The Joker makeup on getting the trophy.
I might have gone too far with that one.
Funny, but not as good as your opioid constipation medication comment.
It was the high point of my week.
Except for the fact that I shot -1 today. The first time I've ever broken par.
I've done nothing wrong today. Nothing.
Are you Reaganing? Only ever recordedly done by Ronald Reagan, obviously, Lee Iaccoca, Jack Welch and Saddam Hussein, no judgement.
I did no wrong today. I hit two bad/average shots. One hit the cart path and bounced 40 yards farther than it should have, and I chipped in for eagle. My other one hit a branch and ended up in the middle of the fairway.
Reagan would have shot a 73 today. I shot a 70.
IDK. I've never been a big comic book or comic book movie guy, though I liked Batman: the Animated Series when I was young, but I thought the preview looked good. I also remember being a big fan of the Justice League cartoon in the 80s.
And Christian Bale was a shit Batman but good Bruce Wayne. They're all inferior to Michael Keaton.
Clones says "whaaaaaaaaaaat?"
Clooney.
Goddamn autocorrect.
Kilmer or gtfo
Kilmer? He didn't even have nipples on his Batsuit!
Clooney was the worst Batman, Kilmer was the second worst.
With the exception of Keaton, it is incredible how that character can bring down the most talented actors.
Batman Returns is the perfect Batman movie, IMO. They achieved the needed verisimilitude for the kind of world Batman is supposed to inhabit.
I thought the first one was pretty good too.
Bigger asshole: Cam or Helen Mirren?
Discuss.
Well, I'd only want to look at one of them.
Anyone else notice Cam's really bizarre playing style? Does he always play like that? I've never really seen anything like it before. The way he hands the ball off is especially strange.
Well Helen Mirren is batshit insane, so...
She's bitter. No one's wanted to "own her" for decades.
She should probably fuck off
Jibbles, it's like you forgot about this photo of Helen Mirren in a bathing suit when she was in her 60s. I didn't forget.
Shit, I would. But if she said something about me having my arm around a girl, I would still tell her to fuck off.
haha. I know. The arm around the girl thing is absurd, but the photo needed to be shared. It was necessary, people.
As something of an authority on the subject, what with my popular fashion blog I'll say most women should wear one-piece swimsuits and that goes for 99%+ over 26 y/o.
As something of an authority on the subject, what with my popular fashion blog I'll say most women should wear one-piece swimsuits and that goes for 99%+ over 26 y/o.
You're a monster.
Joe Namath. Now we've come full drunken circle.
I want to kiss you.
Why hockey rules. The Stanley Cup is handed over to the CAPTAIN. None of this owner crap.
Why do execs and owners and coaches get it before the players?
Broncos owner: It costs a lot of money for me to look this cheap
Elway has a Howard Dean moment
Grinded. Kubiak just said Grinded twice.
Von Miller MVP.
Spike Lee approves.
Von Miller is white. He painted himself black before the game. Who ever heard of a black guy with a name like Von Miller? Can't fool me.
He's German
http://www.pedigreedatabase.co.....von-miller
You know who else kept track of German pedigree
The AKA?
As I predicted. Respect.
Nantz trying his best to be an asshole.
Nantz and Simms are easily the worst football calling pair on tv right now.
It's funny because I wanted to like Simms because my father-in-law played HS football with him. Apparently his nickname at the time was "Whitey".
Well, not funny haha.
Now I know why Irish is a Giants fan.
No. Sunday night football has the worst duo.
Disagree, Collinsworth greaterthansign Simms.
Simms is like a retarded John Madden.
So... like John Madden.
Super Bowl 510 trophy presentation? Ok then.
I used to live in the 510. It sucks.
Is Berkeley in the 510?
Did you get the tattoo?
Did any drones get shot down?
Yes. I was watching the game and I'm not gonna wade through 400 comments to get to the monster at the end of the book.
But yes, the Broncos won. We are happy in Denver.
373. But who's counting?
Peyton Manning class act.
Sends PI goons to a reporter's parents house to recant HGH story.
/raises eyebrow.
He'd have never gotten across the 55 yard line in your league, would he?
Those yards are like entering another dimension.
America just wasn't ready for a black QB.
Guess he should have ran for President instead.
Tonight was black vs. white. The uniforms, I mean.
"However, if Jeb Bush and all the other pro-Keystone XL candidates onstage last night agree the pipeline should be built, then they've got a tough question to answer"
The question isn't tough unless you're an anarchist. Hence the confusion of Reason staff.
Roads. Power lines. Phone lines. Cables lines. Gas lines. Oil lines. Eminent domain for an easement for transport. Probably the most common and most justifiable use of a government taking.
And yes, IANAL, and whether easements are considered in law actual eminent domain or a common law issue is not really relevant to my point. Oil lines are well within the most general purposes that government imposition on private property has been seen as justified.
If you're an anarchist, of course this will not satisfy you. Governments are Da Debil. Yadda yadda yadda. Yes, I've heard it before.
What does government have to do with a private company purchasing land for a project?
Gov't is there to make sure land owners don't get to extract economic rents in return for the freedom of movement of the oil suppliers w their oil.
Why?
To maximize our freedom in each other's presence. We institute property to gain a freedom: the freedom to exclude others. However, we limit that exclusion so as not to impair the freedom of those others. The way we do that is by making exceptions to allow others, & their goods, to pass thru property.
Have fun nailing jello to a wall, Robert.
Hey, liberal fucktards, you want Citizens United overturned? No more Steven Colbert for you!!!1
Do people still watch Stephen Colbert? Last I heard he wasn't doing too well when he took a job entertaining an audience he spent 6 years mocking.
For the 7 minutes I've seen of this show, he's pretty terrible.
What the fuck is a "Stephen Colbert"?
Someone more punchable than Ted Cruz.
Do you two sit in the same room responding to each other online?
Only when I'm drunk.
He is a very talented performer who allowed himself to be consumed by a character. So, now he either has to be ''be'' that character, or he disappoints his fans. He can't win, which is alright by me.
As in Station 11; or A Case of Involuntary Method Acting?
As far as I know, the only stuff he's done other than the Colbert Report character were a few other parody characters on the Daily Show before getting his own show. Irony is the lowest form of humor and it appears that's all he can succeed with. Pretty sad.
Shazam doesn't recognize this song from the excellent Eno/Byrne My Life in the Bush of Ghosts
Qur'an
In the 1982 second edition, the track "Qu'ran"?which features samples of Qur'anic recital?was removed at the request of the Islamic Council of Great Britain. In its place "Very, Very Hungry" (the B-side of "The Jezebel Spirit" 12" EP)[28] was substituted. The first edition of the CD (1986) included both tracks, with "Very, Very Hungry" as a bonus track. Later editions (1990 and later) followed the revised LP track order without "Qu'ran."
Anybody else here ever listen to the fantastic Byrne album "Rei Momo"?
I highly recommend if you like Latin music done by a fantastic white musician.
Arto Lindsay plays on that?
I don't know, but it really is worth listening to.
here you go.
Thanks, will listen. The internet tells me Arto Lindsay plays guitar an wrote one or more of the tracts.
He was in DNA
Cam's on ESPN!
That was short.
That petulant child person needed a Don Corleone slap and "You can act like a man!"
so my bro in law is snoring on couch and the goddamn walls just fell in and shit and I think shit as cooler than cool but not sure this is so because maybe the goddamn walls fell into my soup and I hate walls in my soup
You have a family? Jesus.
fucking whore drank an entire cave of goddamn space shivers.
What's the ABV on those?
About 40 minutes left on my fave radio show over the past 35 years Jon Kincaid's Personality Crisis on WREK
31 and change years. I'm bad with dates and my memory is shot.
If you pipe tar across the earth and my boys the injuns did not like your pipe they'd scalp you and agile would fucking turn his brow and plow back a shot of rotgut shit whiskey.
Nice black history month commercial ESPN, not a single non-athlete. Way to stereotype.
Reason bros are the twinkle glitters on the asshole of the universa swing bang forever ultimation.
Big bang existence can not happen with out the past lives of throbbing juice heroes called the avatars of my mind family of orgasmic finger tipplers.
The reason family is the spacified iconic trip into the rainbow swerves of deep think and futures unimaginationed.
Wait a fucking minute.
Von Miller is black?
That's like what I said when I picked up Brandon LaFell off waivers and the opposite of what I said when I picked up Danny Amendola.
OT: I really miss the old school Friday and Saturday nights on H&R where people would go on about all of the normal shit happening in the world. Whether it was sports or music or movies or whatever. It was a nice relief from the monotony of discussing the idiots running the country into the ground.
This is a smart group of people and we have a lot of fun arguing and agreeing on different shit besides politics. I wish we'd get back to that more often. I really do.
And I'm drunk.
I am glad that the Friday and Saturday nights are full of people discussing the same old political issues. I think we have an utterly retarded group of people.
And lastly, you're not that drunk.
:puts on rally cap:
Me too, on the drunk part. I've been out a while since going back to grad school, but the few times I've been back it seems like there are a lot more conservatives and Tulpa socks clogging up threads that make it less fun. nIt's still the smartest comments section I've visited, but it seems less so lately.
I'm game as long as we can drunkenly post 80s pop songs.
whoops.
Yours was better.
I assume you meant to post some Billy Ocean.
I agree that it was nice when people around here were friendly. Too bad some douchenozzles started partaking in insults and ad hominems against those who disagreed with the prevailing orthodoxy, and turned it into an echo chamber where anybody new is accused of being a puppet of your Emmanuel Goldstein.
Things could go back to the way they were, with a little stable cleaning.
You are right - it is time for a purge. Let's start with people who constantly change their handles. Then, we will move on to the weak. And then, of course, the Joos.
I'm safe. Let's roll!
Everybody needs a thafe thpace, even purist libertarians. Who am I kidding, especially purist libertarians.
Whatever you fay, George Wafhington.
The kind of control your comment filter is attempting simply is... it's not possible. If there is one thing the history of evolution has taught us it's that life will not be contained. Life breaks free, it expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously, but, uh... well, there it is. Life, uh, finds a way.
I don't think there is any normal stuff left.
Everything is politicized
WILL TRUMP BE UPSET IN NEW HAMPSHIRE?
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Caudillo Trump is gonna throw your ass out of an airplane over the ocean w/o a parachute.
Moonbeam is called on 'balanced budget' BS:
"California has come a long way to dig itself out of budget deficits, but the state remains on shaky ground due to nearly $400 billion in unfunded liabilities and debt from public pensions, retiree health care and bonds, financial analysts say.
Yes, the state's budget is balanced if you are looking at what they are required to spend cash on this year, but not when you look at their expenses," said Gabe Petek, a credit analyst with Standard & Poor's."
http://inlandpolitics.com/blog.....-analysts/
Yeah, making the $25 minimum payment on the ol' credit cards only fools low-info folks that the 'budget is balanced'.
Newton loses it post game.
That was Cruel...
I have no words.
I'm about to lose self-control.
My Reasonable and Video Title Adder extensions kept me safe.
That looks like a college freshman class requirement.
Maybe not a class, but probably orientation week requirement. Right before they tell you how to put a condom on your trans-lesbian lover's dick with your mouth. For safety.
Anyone else 'amused' by the 'screw for your winning team' ads?
I must have missed it while getting it on.
I don't know who this chubby Brit after Colbert is, but I love everything Elton John does. Do your worst.
Sorry, Sir Elton John.
Shouldn't it be Dame?
Oh snap!
I can't tell you how many times I've asked myself what happened to Boyz II Men over the years. Finally I have the answer.
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I don't know why Gillespie thinks that kicking "a widow" out of her home was bad. This widow was attempting to extort
millions from the city - she ended up getting far more for her house than it was worth,especially what it would have been worth had that parking lot ended up a few feet from her property. Gillespie is not very bright.
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The only way that pipeline should be built is if private enterprise can figure out how to do it wihtout any government coercion. If government is expected to seize privatly owned lands then "give" it to the project, that's wrong. If the pipeline really needs built, let some entity with enough money step up and build it. If some "old woman" (stereotype for anyone "in the way") does not want to sell her home, fine. Let the planners figure out how to either offer "her" enough money to convince her, or buy someone else's property to put it through.
Free market solutions will fix all the problems. If they don't have enough cash to buy out "some old lady" then perhaps the project is not sufficiently profitable. Relying upon government to make it happen is wrong. That is NOT government's job. BUT.. that all typed out, government MUST get out of the way in principle. For the kinyun to be sandbagging and throwing swords at the progress of the project is wrong.. he has NO authority to do so. Nor do EPA, other than perhaps to sound off when an unsafe situation is discovered..... but those standard rules are already in place, so gummint, starting at the top, need to shut up and step back.
Anyone know of any great outrages mirroring Trumps Atlantic City set-to with the widow perpetrated by any pipeline companies in the construction of those lines.....and the USA has tens of thousands of miles of pipelines, so you would think there would be significant case-law?
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There are good arguments for eminent domain for public utilities and roads. To serve the public they have specific geographical needs, and the shorter the better for everyone. Having said that there is no excuse for using eminent domain for private development.
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