Ted Cruz Upholds America's Proud Tradition of Self-Defeating Culture Warriors
As an insult, "New York values" is a conveniently ambiguous attack on coastal elites. As a rallying cry in the culture wars, it's a prelude to failure.
Cruz quiz: When the Texas senator mocked "New York values" last month, what exactly did he mean?
Interpretations vary wildly according to pundit. Reason's Shikha Dalmia suggests it was a calculated stab at rival Donald Trump. Dana Milbank at The Washington Post sees Cruz's remark as a sinister appeal to anti-Semitism. Conor Friedersdorf thinks he was pandering to flyover-state culture warriors, a kind of Tea Party updating of Dan Quayle's 1988 corn-fed claim that rural America is "the real America".
When pressed, Cruz likened Big Apple morals to the forbidden fruit of social tolerance. "Everyone understands that the values in New York City are socially liberal or pro-abortion or pro-gay marriage, focus around money and the media," he told Maria Bartiromo. Adding, "Not a lot of conservatives come out of Manhattan. I'm just saying."
The power of Ted Cruz's language lies in its slippery ambiguity. Supporters and detractors alike can and will choose whatever interpretation suits their preconceived views of the divisive senator. Cruz himself has successfully spun his own insult into a non-apology apology to the good people of New York. But any way you slice it, equating Gotham with Gomorrah seems like a self-defeating sneer from a candidate who is both literally and financially in bed with Goldman Sachs.
Despite Cruz's Iowa caucus victory, his personal and political values place him at the tail end of a long tradition of social conservatives who repeatedly chose the losing side in America's culture wars. At least that's the thesis of Boston University religion professor Stephen Prothero's new book, Why Liberals Win the Culture Wars (Even When They Lose Elections).
Speaking with Reason TV, Prothero explained why, for at least the last century, conservatives have fought unwinnable wars against the ever-expanding sphere of social tolerance. It's an apt history lesson for a presidential candidate who sincerely believes he can win the most votes by denigrating a city with the most voters.
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When pressed, Cruz likened Big Apple morals to the forbidden fruit of social tolerance.
He would have done well to leave it ambiguous. Obama's election showed that people like to write their own stories on an empty slate.
The "empty slate" thing is the great unlearned lesson of the last 9 years. Just hold your nose in the air as if you are superior and bleat out platitudes like "we need to tighten our belts. And we need to invest in the future" and the people will flock to you.
Actually kinda obliquely like the Donald. Mostly he just hurls insults and says "we gotta do something about this". Mostly he doesn't offer real specifics. "We are gonna build the best wall ever, and we are going to get Mexico to pay for it" is the closest he comes to specifics, and you gotta admit, as specifics go, that's pretty non-specific. He would have been better off with his usual "we are going to solve this, believe me. I will get the best people" version of non-specifics, but I think he knows his audience wants to hear the word "wall".
That can work, but it doesn't always work. You can't beat platitudinism with more of it for instance. Romney found that out the hard way.
NY values elect Bill Diblasio, they are progressive values and are premised upon the worship of state power, and its use for the forcible redistribution of wealth.
Didn't they also elect Hillary Clinton?
Yeah, she sucks too.
Dude that makes a ll kinds of sense dude.
http://www.Anon-Net.tk
I'll just note that you don't see anyone rushing about to whine about coastal asshats decrying Texas culture, or southern culture, or mountain west isolationists. Somehow only big cities on the coasts are above ridicule. Here's a note to all of you in the NY metropolitan area and the LA area. Most of us in the rest of the country view you as America's armpits.
That's how folks roll. Just like all the New Yorker's think everything New York is the best, people in Shreveport LA think their home town is great. They love their cloudy iced tea and their music and line dancing and barbecue and whatever else they do there. And they wouldn't trade their 2,500 sq ft house on a 3 acre plot in the burbs for your Manhattan efficiency on a bet. They know they are better than you with the same certainty that you know you are better than them.
Andrew Cuomo also said this two years ago, which sounds horrible matter how he tries to spin it: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01......html?_r=0
As someone who lives in the Catskills, I agree with Cruz regarding the "New York values" thing.
Provincial, self-styled tolerant people; but really hypocritical assholes who can dish it out but can't take it when you scratch the surface.
Glad to see you're pioneering new frontiers of whine.
Interesting, "America's armpits". I like the simile because it says they're sweaty from the work they do, stinky as a byproduct, and part of the shoulders which of course means they wield the arms, i.e. the "doing" parts of the body. They're on opposite sides of the body geographically, & they're hairy, "hairy" being a word we use metaphorically to mean tricky or difficult. They get a lot of soap & powder applied to them, "soap" being slang for bribery, "powder" being cocaine. Because Calif.'s sometimes referred to as the left coast, that means the country is facing into the ground, i.e. nose to the ground, working, or possibly sniffing out opp'ties. So which parts are the country's legs, and where's its head?
I just realized the west coast can also be the left coast if the country's on its back, looking at the sky, with its head to the south. So is the country's head Alaska or Fla.?
Please don't forget us undesirables in the San Francisco Bay Area. We're at least as armpit-y as those other places.
Maybe he should have said something about clinging to Bibles and guns... oh wait, that was Obama. And it apparently worked pretty well.
I thought NY values referred to working for the financial industry to meet your $4 million family/apartment/hooker/blow needs.
The SJW types will reverse this trend if they can.
But they have their own institute!
"Homo Sex is Sin!"
(We don't hate homos)
This seems fairly troubling...you actually hate people whom you believe to be doing bad things?
Or is it just other people who show such hatefulness?
There's two separate issues.
First, it's really dumb and mean to insult a whole state or city, even a state or city which wouldn't vote for you anyway.
Second, this Prothero guy just cobbles together a bunch of things he doesn't like and calls them conservative. His book lists anti-Catholicism, anti-Mormonism, and the Prohibition movement as conservative phenomena.
I've previously alluded to the reformists in the Massachusetts Know-Nothing party and the Republican Party's denunciation of Mormon polygamy (this was in the party's early years, when the Republicans were not generally regarded as conservative).
Prohibition, of course, was promoted by many progs, it was one of the defining reformist/proggy causes.
If we're going to put these movements into the conservative column, I'd like to to see some proof.
First, it's really dumb and mean to insult a whole state or city, even a state or city which wouldn't vote for you anyway
Unless it's New Jersey and then it's totally deserved.
If you were a Pennsylvanian you would understand that everyone and everything within the city limits of Philadelphia without exception is the worst thing in the entire universe. But your point is taken. Among other things, New Jerksey is an eyesore that blocks our view of the ocean.
Someone won't be going to Wildwood this summer.
No, the Franklin Institute and the Art Museum are cool.
Let's transplant them outside the city.
No. They've been tainted.
And bear in mind that *social* liberalism is quite different from *individualist* liberalism, and it's *social* liberalism which Prothero is promoting as the wave of the future.
Social liberalism means soda bans, compulsory gay cakes, tax money for Planned Parenthood, and gun control, among other things.
Everything on this list is defended by lots of people as the "tolerant" approach. Yes, gun control is tolerant because it protects people from turning their communities into a lawless Wild West. /sarc
And bear in mind that *social* liberalism is quite different from *individualist* liberalism,...
A very good point that a lot of libertarians sometimes overlook.
And bear in mind that *social* liberalism is quite different from *individualist* liberalism,...
A very good point that a lot of libertarians sometimes overlook.
BU is a weird place, a sectarian school in non-sectarian clothing. And one would think, given BU's long-standing association with Methodism that Prothero would have been aware of the Progressive roots of the temperance movement, and of Methodism's continuance of the movement in the present-day.
First, it's really dumb and mean to insult a whole state or city, even a state or city which wouldn't vote for you anyway.
Is it? I mean, if you're competing for voters who largely agree with the insult, why would it be dumb? If there's no chance you'll get the voters you're insulting, but you'd stand a good chance of winning the voters you'd be insulting them to, it strikes me as perfectly reasonable to insult those voters.
Considering how traditional alcohol beverages & Catholicism (unless you compare to paganism or Judaism) are, it is funny to think of their anti-s as conservative.
I've lived all over the country and since my family frequently moved, I never went to the same school more than 2-3 years. I remember we moved to one very rural area and the kids would say stuff to me like 'hey, we heard you're one of them city slickers', honestly, they said that. They all started calling me city slicker. And this was an insult, a big one.
I remember, the boy's around there liked to trade things. They called it 'swap'. One kid tried to swap me this old broken pocket watch for a toy car that I had. I didn't want to trade. He told me there's real gold in this here watch. I still didn't want to trade, so then he wanted to fight me. He was about a foot shorter than me with a face like a bulldog. I didn't want to fight him, so then he followed me around all the time taunting me 'chickenshit'! Those were the good old days.
Rural Indiana, right?
I grew up in Chapel Hill, NC and Killeen,TX. I never heard a Southern accent until I moved to New Castle, IN.
Did you wear an onion on your belt, as was the style?
I think that harassment happens everywhere. My parents moved from the city to the burbs (lower middle class) when I was around 10. Middle School was pretty horrible. I can't even count how many fights I was in. I was very short for my age going in. I did have growth spurt my last year. I think guys were surprised that I wasn't taking any of their shit. They were used to being able to run their mouths with no repercussions. I had not grown up that way.
Those sound like shitty days.
OT: Is Florida Man OK?
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Gunfire erupted early Saturday morning inside a Tampa strip club, leaving one dead and seven injured as police hunted for answers.
Police in the western Florida city first heard about the shooting in Club Rayne shortly after 2 a.m. Saturday. Officers arrived to find one person dead and six others hurt, all of whom were transported to area hospitals for treatment.
Tampa police said they later determined that an eighth victim had made it to a hospital separately.
Yeah, strip clubs show up on Forensic Files and 48 Hours and the like quite often. It's pretty funny that they still call them "Gentleman's" clubs.
Reporter "groped" on-air
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The city of Cologne, Germany, fell back into the spotlight of sexual assault this week, when its annual street Carnival kicked off.
A woman reporting from the city center for a Belgian broadcaster was groped live on television, and police are searching for a suspect.
The city has been on high alert for sexual assault after hundreds of woman filed criminal complaints of having been groped on New Year's Eve by men described as being of North African or Arabic origin. A handful of the complaints alleged rape.
But Thursday's incident during a celebration called Women's Carnival does not appear to be related. The men taunting Esmeralda Labye in the lead-up to the harassment appear to be of European origin.
I found a video of the incident. Drunk Germans, not Arabs.
That wasn't "groping", that was some drunk asshole doing hip thrusts at least a foot behind someone. Between this and Sweden deigning to define "rape" as anything more provocative than a wolf-whistle, I'm starting to think these swarthy rape-hordes are as tame than those 10 hours spent in New York.
That wasn't "groping"
Yes, that's why I used quotes around grouped.
And I agree, the rape hordes will be much tamer than they are made out to be.
His mother must be proud. Also, would a little make-up hurt?
I think she does have make-up, but we're used to seeing women on American tv wear a lot more, such as fake lashes
Plus their hair done.
Why does Cologne have a street carnival in the middle of winter? Or is that the point of having it?
It's a pre-Lenten celebration.
Because that is when you supposed to have "Carnival", the word originally referred the party before the beginning of Lent.
I'm not totally clear on the culture war concept, but the very idea that there is one to be fought and only one side can reign victorious does not strike me as "socially tolerant"
It's often no different than other forms of bigotry. Putting down others to prop up ones self.
Olim rusticus urbanum murem mus paupere fertur accepisse cavo,
veterem vetus hospes amicum, asper ete attentus quaesitis, ut tamen artum solveret hospitiis animum, quid multa?
Neque ille sepositi ciceris nec longae invidit avenae, aridum et ore ferens acinum semesaque lardi frusta dedit, cupines varia fasitdia cena vincere tangentis male singula dente superbo, cum pater upse domus palea porrectus in horna esset ador loliumque,dapis meliora relinquens.
Tandem urbanus ad hunc "Quid te iuvat," inquit, "amice, praerupti nemoris patientem viver dorso? Vis tu homines urbemque beris praeponere silvis? Capre viam, mihi crede, comes, terrestria quando mortalis animas vivunt sortita neque ulla est aut magno aut parvo leti fuga: quo, bone, circa dum licet, in rebus iucundis vive beatus, vive memor. quam sis aevi brevis."
I do not agree with everything in the video, but he makes some good points.
There was a team culture war over a war movie, and it was not even really all out, pro-war movie.
With every issue you must choose between one of two sides.
"With every issue you must choose between one of two sides"
And coincidentally it often seems to be some asshat political poll writer who gets to frame the issue
" do you value free education for all or do you want children to cry and mothers to plead in vain"
CHOOSE A SIDE
I choose the side of the cool people, which is how you know that I'm a cool guy.
"This is not a meeting about how cool you are"
OT: Did you know it is Ronald Reagan day in some states?
I looked through the citations. I thought some prankster had hacked Wikipedia but appears to be legitimate.
That's bullshit. Every real American knows that every day is Ronald Reagan Day
I was watching Baskets last night which no one should ever watch. Listening to Louie Andersons character waxing nostalgically for Ron and Nancy is pretty funny.
This is ridiculous. I'm an urban cosmopolitan. And a Republican. I can pretty much tell you that it's not exactly a terrible strategy to mock a candidate as an urban cosmopolitan in a national GOP primary. There is a disconnect in the lifestyle and values you see in New York and the lifestyle and values you see from most Republican primary voters. Even if there's an agreement on policy, the similarities end there.
I mean look who you're quoting - Dalmia, Milbank, and Friedersdorf. Were any of them lined up to vote for Ted Cruz and he just blew it by being dismissive of New York values? Really?
OT: Is it a good idea?
The issue ? whether it's ethanol or Obamacare or some other "program" ? is whether the use of violence (threatened or actual) is morally justifiable. Debating the utilitarian merits (and deficits) of whatever it is we're talking about sidesteps this fundamental point and by doing that, concedes the field. Or at the very least, keeps the matter open for discussion when it ought to be closed.
Ima pull a Rufus: Good morning
Good morning
I've lived in several different places, urban, suburban and rural. And without fail the people there are judgmental about other regions/size places out there.
People from SoCal largely mock Texas.
Texas largely mocks SoCal.
The Central Valley of California hates LA (north of Fresno) and hates San Fran (south of Visalia). The entire valley hates Sacramento.
People from Richmond, Roanoke and Augusta hate everybody from north of Fredericksburg, VA.
People from Cincinnati hate people from Cleveland and the NY/NJ area (largely because they started infecting the gulf coast vacation areas).
And Puerto Ricans hate Dominicans with a fiery passion rarely seen.
Regionalism/Urbanism/Ruralism will always exist in a nation this large and diverse.
Puerto Ricans hate Dominicans because they think the Dominicans are lazy. Puerto Ricans hate Cubans even more because they think Cubans are too aggressive and take all their jobs. Venezulans hate the Colombians and vice versa. They also intermarry like crazy.
This misconstrues the situation, at least for the past 50 yrs. It's not as if people decide to characterize themselves by picking a side, unless they're politicians or otherwise looking for a pre-made following. And it's not like tolerance is being fought over sincerely.
For at least the last century, conservatives have fought unwinnable wars against the ever-expanding sphere of government and dictated tolerance. Tolerance for everything but intolerance, and we'll tell you what's intolerant. Questioning our right to dictate what's intolerant, for example, will not be tolerated.
When I heard Cruz' remark, I immediately thought of two things: artisanal mayonnaise and those NYC real estate shows where the agent gushes about the "great view" from a multi-million dollar apt. (closet) where you see a dilapidated water tower on the apt. house across the street but "if you lean out the window you can see Central
Park up the street."
I thought of the guys in these photos.
And I sent a donation to Cruz because of it.
What photos?
the ones here.
By the way, I SF'd the link ironically. In the spirit of the thread.
On second thought, I should have kept my mouth shut.
This video was put up here about a week ago, right? So why not repost the goddamn comment thread with it, instead of making us start from scratch?
Of course, its not at all clear that the Repubs are on the wrong side of the culture wars if you look outside the government and the coastal elites.
Gay marriage - never won a referendum, lost a bunch.
Abortion - numbers moving somewhat steadily away from hard-core pro-choice to a more moderate to pro-life position.
Immigration - amnesty and wide open borders have never polled a majority, as far as I know.
The victories in the culture wars are not coming bottom up. They are being imposed top down. Thus, mocking New York values is a way of saying you're with the flyover/bitter clinger majority, and not with the proggies who, having seized the levers of power and influence are using them to impose their culture.
One more item to consider:
If the Repubs are on the wrong side of the culture wars, why do they have a pretty unprecedented dominance at the state level and in Congress? If you look at who is winning elections, to the extent culture war signalling moves votes, it seems to be moving them to the Repubs in recent years.
Maybe because the Dem leadership are embracing gun control (at a time when criminal homicide is at an all-time low since 1993) as well requiring employers to provide health insurance that includes contraception without co-pay, requiring private colleges to deny due process in rape trials, etc.
It has everything to do with voters getting tired of Dem mismanagement and malaise and nothing to do with a rejection of cultural liberalism.
So, voters are rejecting Dems even though they agree with them on cultural issues? I think you seriously misunderstand what motivates voters. Besides, the belief that voters favor Dems on culture war issues flies in the face of the election returns.
If voters are culturally liberal, why is it that proggy culture war issues cannot win referenda? Even pot legalization struggles mightily.
"Even pot legalization struggles mightily."
LOLWUT? Pot legalization is with a few exceptions winning. A gay marriage referendum would steam-roll all opposition.
"So, voters are rejecting Dems even though they agree with them on cultural issues? I think you seriously misunderstand what motivates voters. "
No I don't. Voters in MaryLand and Illinois didn't vote GOP because gay marriage ticks them off. They, after decades, decided that they were a bit tired of endemic dysfunction.
Once more: not winning a referendum =/= not bottom-up
LOLWUT? Pot legalization is with a few exceptions winning.
More have lost than have won (and I' m looking at full legalization, not medpot).
A gay marriage referendum would steam-roll all opposition.
Yet one never did. Now, of course, we'll never know.
Once more: not winning a referendum =/= not bottom-up
As I clarified: losing every single referenda = not bottom up.
It does struggle mightily, but the trend is in its direction.
Gay marriage - never won a referendum, lost a bunch.
Ha ha ha. Kid yourself all you want: there is no future for those who oppose gay marriage. It has wide support especially among the young and legalization will only evaporate what little opposition is left just like in Canada.
Immigration - amnesty and wide open borders have never polled a majority, as far as I know.
True, but Trumpesque rhetoric is still not a winner. The Voter is usually a timid creature, put off by harsh rhetoric.
The victories in the culture wars are not coming bottom up. They are being imposed top down.
Conservative persecution complex detected.
You mistake me for a conservative, Cytotoxic. I am actually in favor of gay marriage, and a very different (and more open) approach to immigration.
So, tell me one culture war victory that was demanded by a majority of voters, so we can point to one that was bottom-up. The only issue I can think of that might count is gun rights. Which, oddly, is not a "liberal" culture war victory, but probably their bitterest defeat.
The false premise here is that if something was not won in a referendum then it was not 'bottom up'. The polling is crystal clear: gay marriage is winning the culture war, bottom up, and from the 'bottom' of the age demographic ie the young ie the future. SCOTUS did us and the GOP a favor by just circumventing the whole 'democracy' bullshit and imposing the freedom that voters would have anyway in several years.
The false premise here is that if something was not won in a referendum then it was not 'bottom up'.
No, failing to win a single referenda merely proves that it was not won bottom up. See, for example, the gun control example, which was won without a single referenda.
We won the culture war against pot legalization decades ago, based on your theory that if the young favor it, you have won. Turns out that winning the whole culture, and not just the young, is a different game. The fallacy here is that people's views change over time, apparently. And Dem/proggy culture war issues do not seem to capture a majority of people by almost any measure: elections, referenda, polls, you name it.
Lemme clarify that:
Losing every single referenda proves that it was not won bottom up. Gun control was won without any referenda at all, for example. It never won one, but it never lost one. But I think you could still count it as a bottom up win.
And I'm still looking for a similar example of a Dem/proggy culture war victory that was bottom up.
This is how my friend Bob views this country as similar to empires of the past, with elites imposing cultural features foreign (sometime really from elsewhere) to the masses.
New York values translates to cosmopolitan values. Social conservatives are going to lose because since the late 90s, more people live in large urban population centers of 1,000,000 or more than live in small towns or rural areas. Simple demographics are against small town and rural values. And you can find artisanal mayonnaise in most supermarkets, if you don't make your own.
False comparison. Those "urban" populations are mostly suburban. The suburbs tend to be more conservative than the prog.
This just in: NYT author thinks social liberals are awesome, Ted Cruz is not. Also, Ted Cruz doesn't like New York, and this is somehow worthy of Reason getting its panties in a wad despite it having fuck-all to do with libertarianism.
Also...
...really?
Dana Millbank sees Cruz's remarks as an opportunity to claim they're a sinister appeal to anti-Semitism. Also a clear example of his fascism, his hatred of puppies and his not-so-secret desire to fondle little boys, I'm sure.
The Dems are fighting their own culture war.
On the Dem side, we have this:
http://www.iges.org/letter/LetterPresidentAG.pdf
On the Dem side, we have people advocating that colleges expel people for suspicion of rape if there is only a 20% chance of guilt.
On the Dem side, we have the Department of Education Office of Civil Rights pretending to be the Supreme Court, coming up with completely ludicrous interpretations of Title IX such that it requires a preponderance of evidence standard when adjudicating sexual harassment claims, and that it prohibits cross-examination of witnesses.
On the Dem side, we have people arguing that rape is as common in college campuses as it is in the war-torn Congo region of Africa.
On the Dem side, we have the Justice Department threatening to punish schools for racial discrimination if they choose to punish misconduct.
On the Dem side, we have the EEOC suing businesses for running criminal background checks on the basis that it is racist.
On the Dem side, we have the same people claiming that requiring a photo ID to vote is racist because it places a disparate burden on minorities, while simultaneously supporting universal background checks on firearm purchases, ignoring any concerns about a disparate impact on minorities
On the Dem side, we have accusations that the police are racist, while simultaneously claiming that these police officers be trusted with discretion to decide who may carry a concealed weapon.
On the Dem side, we have people claiming that an employer is imposing religion and denying access to women's health if they refuse to offer health insurance that includes contraception without co-pay, even though it would be ludicrous to claim that employers are imposing their religion and denying access to women's wine if they refuse to offer coupons for BevMo.
Cruz can't do this kind of thing if he wants to win a general election. Western countries today are cosmo and that's their future. He needs to drop the god talk and carry a pumpkin spice latte to his events and speeches while wearing a turtleneck.
New York values also suggests bossy East Coast media and elites who tell the rest of the country what is important and what's not. Oh, and it's absolutely vital to bail out financiers - that's a New York value.
More pearl clutching by Reason writer on this comment.
And again, It is stealing a number of bases to describe modern liberalism as tolerant rather than tolerant and intolerant of different things.
That's sad. I guess at least you know what you're waking up to.
I love Bloomington. Had some fun times there.
Did you bump into John Mellencamp?
Mellencamp was around a bit. Kenny Aranoff was always hanging around. Because of Mellencamp, there were always random rock n rollers in Bloomington. It would be like, "hey that guy looks like Bob Dylan!" Then you realize it actually is Bob Dylan. Great little place for college and music.
Nice choice!
DOA: Fucked Up Ronnie
http://youtu.be/HYxQXKmnWaA