Election 2016

Ted Cruz Slams Donald Trump For 'New York Values.' What the Hell Does That Mean?

Cruz's clichéd vision of "New York values" discounts the experience of millions of New Yorkers.

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As Texas Sen. Ted Cruz kept yammering on about "New York values" yesterday—"they're not Iowa values, and they're not New Hampshire values"—I wondered whose values, precisely, he was concerned about. The old Polish women I used to see shuffling down the streets of Greenpoint to Catholic mass each weekday morning? The Hasidic Jews who shut down all of South Williamsburg come sundown Friday to honor the Sabbath? The twentysomething working two jobs to get by who still finds the time to volunteer teaching kids cooking skills?

The Hispanic moms warily pushing strollers past the endless dollar stores and Dunkin' Donuts of Bushwick's Broadway? The black teens riding the JMZ back and forth endlessly across the East River on weekends, hoping their subway-car acrobatics will earn them a few bucks? The gay Lutheran pastor who's turned his church's basement into a place where longtime neighborhood residents and hipster transplants can come together in community? The Korean immigrant who put her life savings into opening her own restaurant? 

New York City is a huge and diverse place—and that's not even getting started on the rest of the state. Anyone who thinks the folks of, say, Watertown, New York—where my cousins live on an army base—have more in common with rich Manhattan liberals than rural Iowans is sorely mistaken.

By acting as if New York state, New York city, or even Manhattan are some sort of monoculture, Sen. Cruz discounts the experiences and existence of millions of New Yorkers who look nothing like the liberal, elitist stereotype that he offers and whose lives would be far from alien to the bulk of "real" America. 

At the GOP debate Thursday night, Donald Trump's response to Cruz's clichéd vision of "New York values" was an appeal to emotionalism about 9/11. On the day the towers came down, New York City residents came together—despite the tragedy, despite the "smell of death" in the air—to handle the situation "more beautifully, more humanely" than "any place on Earth," said Trump. 

That might be based in reality, if hyperbolic. But it's not the behavior of New Yorkers in extraordinary times that make their value systems. It's the daily work and struggle to get by in what—even for the rich, and especially for those who aren't—can be one of the most challenging places in the country to live and flourish. If there is anything even approaching a value shared by the vast majority of New York City residents, it's got to be perseverance. And that seems like a pretty all-American principle to me.

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  1. This is disingenuous nonsense. Everyone in “flyover country” knows EXACTLY what Cruz was talking about. And so does ENB.

    1. Yeah, nothing in Cruz or Trump’s comments comes close to Obama’s bitter clingers quote:

      “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, … And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

      1. except what the president said was largely true

        1. Its largely false.

          Their religion and guns (and bigotry, if you must) are all pre-existing to his fundamental transformation. They don’t “cling to them” as a way to explain their frustrations at all. These are their values, which are contrary to his and thus must be diminished and demeaned.

    2. Yes, she does, and she knows it discounts the experiences of millions of New Yorkers.

      1. New York City has just as much (if not more) white trash as the rest of America.

        1. You take that back! our trash comes in all the colors of the rainbow.

          1. And therefore so are your sidewalks.

            1. No, the sidewalks mostly all the same color. “grey”, with blackened bubble-gum freckles.

          2. You take that back! our trash comes in all the colors of the rainbow.

            True, but your garbage people are comparable to Middle America’s, they are just a different type of garbage people. They can’t get in four-wheelers and drive around in the mud, so they get creative. If Middle America understood how many, many New Yorkers are their truly their brethren, we would not be having this stupid debate.

            1. I reject this equivocation. Our worst people are entirely unique, and each awful in their own special way.

              Who has the body odor, patronizes middle-aged prostitutes, and gets into as many hit & run fender-benders as Hasidics? Who screams louder on the subway for no reason than the puerto rican single-mother? Who is pushier on the sidewalk than Chinese Grandmothers? Who is more likely to beat up a hipster than a gang of drunken Polacks in Greenpoint? Who rides the streets in neon-underlit stretch-hummers while pumping Techno at 3am like Staten Island Guidos? No one, i say. They are ours and ours alone.

              1. I stand corrected. I now have a better understanding of the divide.

                gets into as many hit & run fender-benders as Hasidics

                Severely dented minivans are truly terrifying.

                1. “Minivans”

                  you complete me.

              2. Who is more likely to beat up a hipster than a gang of drunken Polacks in Greenpoint?

                I had an oddly pleasant evening watching foosball and throwing darts with pollacks in Greenpoint last time I was in NY. Everyone was super uncomfortable when our table got swarmed by them, I didn’t really understand why, and then they invited people from our table to play darts and everyone bought each other drinks. I got the explanation for the discomfort afterward.

                1. They are salt of the earth, and i celebrate their occasional territorial beatings of skinny-jeans-wearing beardos.

                  1. Greenpoint fucking blows, guys.

                    1. You have a typical Mid-Western lack of cultural appreciation for Perogies, Techno, and Xenophobia.

                    2. “Greenpoint fucking blows, guys.’

                      I want to submit this article as an example of…. well, just about everything we’re talking about, distilled into its most concentrated and perfect form.

                      It is like digging a perfectly-cut diamond out of a coal vein. If i spent a month trying to craft a perfect-parody…. it would fall short.

                      I can imagine even jesse would want to beat the shit out of these guys…. for being so hopelessly cliche.

                    3. “The friends met modeling for Herm?s in Paris….”

                      Oh dear God.

                      Heard on the news yesterday that the L train tunnel under the East River* would be closing for at least 1 year. I LOL’ed, and then LOL’ed some more.

                      *i.e. a hipster’s only connection to Manhattan

                    4. I can imagine even jesse would want to beat the shit out of these guys…. for being so hopelessly cliche.

                      That’s some serious punchability there. I’m not sure why that required an “even Jesse” I avoid I avoid Los Feliz and Eagle Rock like the plague. I will admit to going to Silver Lake occasionally, but that’s because of some historic gay bars that predate it being so…Silver Lake-ey.

                    5. It wasn’t the fabulousness of the kids that i thought was most hilarious (*though certainly that)….but the idea that their “$900,000 fixer-upper”, full of ‘left on the street’ bric-a-brac, and being celebrated in the NYT as some kind of example of the apex of ‘urban living done well’…. was worth about $100,000 only 4-5 years earlier.

                      the fact that the author, probably a life-long manhattanite, called Bedford Avenue “Bedford Street” was like a cherry on top. The other side of the east river was being treated as quaint and foreign as a small village in the mountains of Peru. How worldly!, these 20-something male-models!, and Polish beer? Who’s ever heard of such a thing?

                    6. but yes, the idea of the 20-something-male-models deriding Williamsburg as “too overrun with faux artists”, while buying their thick-end-of-a-million-dollar-flop-house is just …priceless.

                    7. The article says more about the Times than about NYC.

                    8. Yes. which was sort of following from my point way below @ 1:27PM|#

        2. And they’re all upper middle class people in Manhattan.

    3. Everyone in “flyover country” knows EXACTLY what Cruz was talking about.

      JEWS! Just like Jesse Jackson said.

    4. I’d like to add that the Rest Of The Country doesn’t actually care about those New Yorkers who are not reflected.

      (I’m personally sick of the country treating NYC like it’s especially important and awesomely special.

      [And LA. And SF.]

      If we stop pretending they matter, they stop mattering.)

      1. Ok cool have fun in Ohio jelly boy

  2. Ted Cruz Slams Donald Trump For ‘New York Values.’ What the Hell Does That Mean?

    It means the fuckers who vote Democratic, of course. Jeez, try not to be so obtuse.

  3. ENB you should probably have looked up the original comments that generated it all.

    “Not too many years ago, Donald did a long interview with Tim Russert. And in that interview, he explained his views on a whole host of issues that were very, very different from the views he’s describing now.

    And his explanation — he said, “look, I’m from New York, that’s what we believe in New York. Those aren’t Iowa values, but this is what we believe in New York.” And so that was his explanation.

    And — and I guess I can — can frame it another way. Not a lot of conservatives come out of Manhattan. I’m just saying.”

    It seems a little silly to criticize Cruz for talking about New York values without mentioning Donald Trumps comment that started it.

    1. Iowa is an early caucus and Cruz has an instance where Donald Trump said he didn’t share ‘Iowa values.’ Of course someone is going to bring that up.

    2. Wait, it was *Trump* who initially invoked NY values and contrasted them to Iowa values?

      I was about to say something mean about Cruz.

      In any case, I suppose if Cruz gets the nomination, the Republican Party won’t be able to carry New York. /sarc

      1. Wait, that was Cruz *explaining* his prior remarks.

        OK, then, Cruz was stupid.

    3. Chris Matthews apparently tweeted that Cruz was “playing to the hicks in Iowa”

    4. And his explanation — he said, “look, I’m from New York, that’s what we believe in New York. Those aren’t Iowa values, but this is what we believe in New York.” And so that was his explanation.

      I met many people from the east coast when I was in college. They were all quick to point out how crude and unsophisticated Iowans were and that we should grow up and leave our fantasy world behind and get in synch with in the “real” world like NY, Boston, etc out on the coast.

      Anyone that claims ignorance regarding the topic of NY values versus Iowa values is being utterly dishonest.

      1. Nobody’s as provincial as someone from NYC.

  4. Duncan Donuts? Unless that’s a NY local chain making a pun off the nationwide chain, I assum you meant Dunkin’ Donuts. LOL.

    1. Next you’ll say that my Wal-Mort mortuary is a rip-off. Or my Stairbucks gym/coffeehouse.

    2. DUNCAN Donuts is the place where “The twentysomething working two jobs to get by who still finds the time to volunteer teaching kids cooking skills” works.

      1. Teaching kids to make donuts is like apprenticing them to a meth dealer. Call CPS!

        /sarc

    3. “They’re called McDONALD’S, we’re called McDOWELL’S. They’ve got the Golden Arches, we’ve got the Golden Arcs.”

      1. “That’s Hedley, not Hedy”

  5. I didn’t think it was possible for an entire city to be “thin skinned,” but apparently I was wrong.

    1. The “tough guy,” New York-attitude has truly dissolved.

      1. Crusty’s the only tough guy left in this neck of the woods.

        1. Us millennials spell it gai, gai. Get it together.

  6. If there is anything even approaching a value shared by the vast majority of New York City residents, it’s got to be Arrogance. And that seems like an ugly American principle to me.

    1. You forgot to capitalize “Ugly”.

      1. At least he remembered to bold it.

        1. That’s so dim bulbs would realize those were the changes from ENBs last two sentences.

  7. Only on reason.com can you have vids and article decrying the nanny state and socialist policies enacted by NY politicians and then wonder what someone means when they say NY values. Stop being stupid, you’re embarrassing Libertarians.

    1. DiBlasio and Bloomberg and Denkins and Rudy are nannies?

      /sarc

    2. I forgot to mention that pointing out suburbs and saying that NYC doesn’t represent NY state ignores that NYC has 40% of the entire states population.

    3. Yeah so many of these red states with strict ass social policies are so libertarian

  8. Anyone who thinks the folks of, say, Watertown, New York

    That’s like a section of New York’s Vermont, or Lower Canada.

    1. Yeah.

      “NY Values” means “NYC Values”, not “upstate New York”.

      Because the rest of the country cares about upstate New York even less than it does about NYC.

  9. This is stupider than what Ted said.

    really, stop.

  10. Sorry, Ms. Nolan-Brown, but your argument does seem a bit disingenuous. It’s obvious that Cruz is referencing New York City and not upstate. And, yes, by and large there is a difference between the values and outlook of a lot of NYC residents and what you see in the rest of America.

    Seriously, are you going to try to say you don’t hear New Yorkers make comments about Middle America? Or do you want to have it both ways?

    1. Seriously, are you going to try to say you don’t hear New Yorkers make comments about Middle America? Or do you want to have it both ways?

      She’s only trying to have it both ways if she makes those comments or defends them when other people make them.

      1. Fair point.

        But still leaves the fact that there is a disconnect between the perspectives and values predominating in New York City and the perspectives and values you’re going to see among Republican primary voters. And I don’t think its some sort of unpardonable sin for Ted Cruz to argue to Republican primary voters that Donald Trump generally shares the perspectives and values predominating in NYC than their own.

        1. And the NYC types will claim to be the broad-minded, tolerant ones and that anybody who disagrees with them is a bigot, all while engaging in this naked bigotry.

        2. And I don’t think its some sort of unpardonable sin for Ted Cruz to argue to Republican primary voters that Donald Trump generally shares the perspectives and values predominating in NYC than their own.

          Yeah, I mean, why would Ted Cruz want anyone who lives in a city to vote for him in the primaries or later in a general? Why would Republicans want anyone who lives in a city to ever vote for them for anything?

          1. Sure, Nikki, Ted Cruz was going to win New York City in the general election, but for this comment. How could I possibly have missed that.

            Why if the GOP would let them, New York City would just be a Republican stronghold.

            1. Sorry, are you arguing that urban people wouldn’t be more open to voting for Republicans if they didn’t shit-talk us all the time?

              1. Not in any significant way, no. New York isn’t going to go for the GOP. It’s a lot more leftwing a town than the Republican party.

                1. I fundamentally disagree that it makes sense to divide the country into the urban party vs. the rural party, and the fact that Ds and Rs have split it up that way only serves to perpetuate a false division that is mostly not based on political opinions but lifestyle preferences.

                  1. Except there are some very real differences in the political views of urban and rural voters. On issues ranging from gun control to environmentalism to public health to education. And, as much as each side would like the other to shut the hell up and get with the(ir) program, that isn’t going to happen any time soon.

                    1. I think a lot of these differences are over-represented because of the way parties have carved up the population, but I do agree that if you live in LA you’re probably going to have more concerns about air quality than if you live in rural Wyoming. I think it’s a failure of the parties to shit on their non-preferred region instead of offering up better conservative or liberal solutions to the problems faced by other groups.

                      I think you’ve got a lot of fiscally conservative/socially liberal voters in urban areas who are massively underserved because their options are a socially conservative/fiscally liberal Republican party that shits on them and a socially liberal/fiscally liberal Democratic party…that shits on them.

                    2. On issues ranging from gun control to environmentalism to public health to education.

                      Do you honestly not think there are urban residents who are closer to the Republican view on all these issues? Just not enough to matter?

                      And, if so, I don’t know why anyone here bothers complaining about Obama calling people “bitter clingers.” I mean, there are very real differences between urban and rural voters, so why wouldn’t the Urban Party call them gratuitous names? The Urban Party doesn’t want them.

                    3. Just not enough to matter?

                      Exactly.

                      Look, I’ve been a NYC resident for going on 15 years. Prior to that, I lived in Philadelphia. I’m perfectly well aware that there are conservative leaning voters in cities. You’ll probably find ore conservatives per square mile in the Upper East Side than anywhere else in the country. It”s just you’ll find a shitload more left-leaning voters.

                      And, as much as “bitter clingers”, why should anyone get upset by “New York values”?

                    4. You’ll probably find ore conservatives per square mile in the Upper East Side than anywhere else in the country. It”s just you’ll find a shitload more left-leaning voters.

                      So how on earth does it make sense for the allegedly conservative party to purposely alienate conservatives in the UES? Just…don’t talk shit about them. And they might actually feel like voting Republican. Is the shit-talking so valuable? Will Iowans not vote for the Republican Party if it isn’t explicitly the Rural Party?

                    5. So how on earth does it make sense for the allegedly conservative party to purposely alienate conservatives in the UES?

                      Because our votes don’t matter! In any election where there’s a snowball’s chance of a Republican winning New York, it’s going to be a Republican landslide anyway. And if a candidate can alienate another candidate by associating him with something that isn’t popular with a group, they’re going to do that. Why wouldn’t they? As I said originally, GOP primary voters in Iowa probably aren’t going to look hugely favorably on the outlook and values that predominate in New York City..

                    6. That seems short-sighted to me. Both parties seem to be intent on shoring up their existing voting blocs when making inroads with some keystone blocs from the other party could be really disruptive. The “energizing the base” shtick can only lead to bitterness and contention.

                    7. If New York were in any way a swing state or had the potential to be a swing state, I’d agree with you. But it doesn’t. It’s effectively as “free” for a Republican politician to refer to “New York values” as it is for them to refer to “San Francisco liberals”. Or for a Democratic politician to refer to “Jesusland”.

                    8. Ah yes. The way it is and how it always will be. SF used to have a pretty powerful business-oriented republican party before the late ’60s and it currently has a burgeoning population of tech workers who are realizing how fucked they are by current tax codes. I don’t think you’re going to make SF a conservative utopia, but Republicans could certainly disrupt SF’s political hegemony by floating socially moderate/fiscally conservative candidates who were thoughtful and forceful about problems in SF.

                      I truly believe both parties are failing to serve the people by focusing on rhetoric to shore up their existing voters. They don’t have to make a case for their policies just shriek about “the other guy” and voters slavishly fall in line.

    2. “you don’t hear New Yorkers make comments about Middle America?”

      This is entirely wrong. No one in NYC mocks “middle america”. A huge slice of the 20-30 somethings are all transplants from there. You’re far more likely to find people born in Wisconsin than you are “natives”, which have always been a minority in the city.

      Its “the South” and Western Ranchers that are demonized as racist inbred yokels trying to drag America back to the dark ages.

      1. Eh, they still mock the Midwest. They’re just from it themselves. It’s almost cute.

      2. I’m using Middle America to cover pretty much everything that isn’t New England, the Mid-Atlantic or the West Coast.

        1. Pft. NYers mock people from the west coast as often or more than middle America. Then we make movies about NY getting blown up, or crushed (usually by alien invaders). At the end of the day it’s all hugs and kisses though.

          1. True. But, it’s a different mockery than they assign to Middle America.

            1. Oh well a different mockery. I won’t distract you from hanging on that cross any longer then.

              1. Hanging on what cross? I’m a New Yorker. Let me guess. You’re from California, aren’t you?

                1. Like, well played, Dalasio, oh my gawd. Well played.

      3. Everyone knows New York looks down on New Jersey…

        1. That’s because New Jersey is retarded and boring. It has no excuse.

      4. “A huge slice of the 20-30 somethings are all transplants from there.”

        Grumble grumble fucking transplants. Go home, kooks.

        /LA native

      5. Not sure about that, Gilmore. I mean, you live there, so I’ll generally defer, but on the rare occasions that I read something in the NYT, the commenters often start shouting “Hey middle america” followed by a general schooling on socially-forward thinking issues. In my urban area, they mock everything from middle america to the suburbs five miles away.

        1. ” the rare occasions that I read something in the NYT, the commenters often start shouting…”

          I think NYT comments should be considered evidence of a national cult of Highbrow Retards, not your average NYC resident, most of whom don’t read the NYT at all. (it reflects more of what i think of as the ‘upper west side’/suburban-commuter’ mindset than people in Brooklyn or the Bronx)

          IOW, the people you stereotype as NYT-readers do exist in the city, but they’re a fairly small proportion of the overall… and many of them develop their urban-elite-snootyness entirely as an adopted affectation, having migrated here from elsewhere and consider their new residence proof of their superior social-status.

          Its sort of like how you’ll find the people whining about “gentrification” the loudest?….are people who only arrived in a neighborhood 5 years earlier. The people moaning loudest about middle-america are more than likely the product of middle-america.

  11. WHYCOME NO ENB HATE CITY FAGGOTD AND SHIT

    1. WHYCOME ENB SHIT ON MISOURA VALYEWZ

  12. Let’s be honest: NYC is a control-freak-run toilet. The only redeeming quality is some decent pizza. Actual pizza, not that shit that the people around here try passing off as pizza.

    1. REGION WARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

  13. You hear that, NYC? Ted Cruz doesn’t like your values. Sure he looks like his pimp busted out all his teeth with a pipe so he could charge more for a blowjob, but it still has to sting a little.

    1. Find Ted Cruz one righteous man in New York and he will spare it.

      1. Thanks a Lot.

        1. Salt in the wound, eh?

          1. Pillar of salt in the wound.

      2. “I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly. Behold, I have two daughters who have not known any man. Let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please.”

  14. I thought it meant “Classy”, like a $200 whore.

  15. It’s the left wing, extremely regulated cesspool of statism.

  16. He means cosmotarians, only more progressive.

  17. For a site that’s all about “free minds” it’s remarkable how many of you leap to collectivism on this topic.

    1. I think the biggest problem is the vocal minority in pretty much all cases ruins it for the rest. They are the ones that want to provide their input which is fine though they are the ones that may be creating perception right or wrongly. I get the vibe out of the coastal areas…kind of this condescending, elitist attitude. But have to remind myself that it may be just a small percentage.

      1. That “vibe” you get is grossly magnified by the media, which is largely run by coastal elites. I’ve lived both coastal and non-coastal and the vast majority of people are just going about their lives.

        1. They’re going on about their lives the wrong way.

        2. Yea that is what i am saying. I have to remember and remind myself that what the media and internet commentators/commentors say may not be representative…thus i shouldnt get worked up. Unfortunately i and others can’t be at every place all at once thus have to rely on what is coming out of there on limited sample size.

  18. I don’t know what’s worse: the whining about New Yorkers, the whining in defense of New Yorkers, or the whining about whining in defense of New Yorkers.

    This is all stupid and you’re all annoying.

  19. Meh.

    We are used to it. See Sarah Palin a few years ago. It’s now a “card” that can be reasonably expected to be played by the GOP every 4 years.

    It’s really a badge of honor for us!

    1. “Bitter clingers”

      1. Hopefully they (you?) would consider that a badge of honor as well. By the way, said by a guy from the Midwest. You’re not a whiner, right?

        1. You don’t even seem to try to make points any more, and just throw random shit out there.

          1. Next time!

            Enjoy your weekend, kbo!

  20. All right, let’s break this down into itty-bitty bits, Ms. Brown.

    You say NYC is “one of the most challenging places in the country to live and flourish.”

    What makes it that way, Ms. Brown? Is the city on a major fault line with monthly earthquakes, deep in the Arctic, regularly hit by hurricanes, on the crater of a spewing volcano, a tropical malarial swamp, regularly bombarded by meteors, highly radioactive, in the middle of a war zone, or what? What, exactly, makes it hard to live and flourish in New York City?

    Yeah, see, there is only one thing that makes it so challenging to “live and flourish” in New York City. And that’s the people who live there, how they choose to live and vote. That is, the problem with New York City, the reason why living there requires perseverance, is the values of New York City residents.

    If there was nothing wrong with New York values, then it wouldn’t be hard to live and flourish in NYC. But there is, and so it is.

    1. I could replace “New York City” with “Iowa” and make the exact same argument. It’s stupid region-war bullshit.

      1. Um, no. Substituting in Iowa only works if an Iowan, in a defense of Iowa, said Iowa is “one of the most challenging places in the country to live and flourish.” If they instead say Iowa is “one of the easiest places in the country to live and flourish”, well, the whole thing collapses.

        It’s not region-war bullshit, it’s pointing out that ENB’s own argument about NYC rests on the implicit premise that NYC’s values suck. If she wants to retract her claim about New Yorkers having to have perseverance, well, the argument goes away. Ms. Brown is the one who said it’s hard to live in NYC; I’m just accepting her argument and pointing out what it says about NYC.

  21. How anyone can look at NY, its politics, government, and just overall self, and not think that “NY values” are a contrast with “Midwest values”, is a dolt.

    1. I think there’s a pretty good point that a lot of that is just media-manufactured self-indulgence. But then again so is the entire theater of national politics.

  22. i can’t believe he actually said it…wow. however, i am glad he is publicly embracing his neo-puritain party’s core values. vote Libertarian, vote often.

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