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Anti-Porn Summit on Capitol Hill Mixes Moralist, Feminist, and Public Health Rhetoric With Insane Results

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If you thought good old-fashioned Moral Majoritarians were just going to concede Puritanism to fourth-wave feminists, think again. Today, the National Center on Sexual Exploitation (NCSE)—a group founded in 1962 as Morality in Media (the name was changed this year)—is holding an anti-pornography summit on Capitol Hill titled "Pornography: A Public Health Crisis." The event aims to educate lawmakers on "how porn fuels sex trafficking, child exploitation, and sexual violence" and features a who's who of anti-sex-work, anti-science, and anti-free-speech zealots, along with the father of famous kidnapping victim Elizabeth Smart. 

For a taste, here's what NCSE offers as "background information" on the issue: 

Never before have so many children and teenagers been exposed to such sexually violent content, which by default has served as their sex education. Hyper-sexualized mainstream media and pornography are a social issue of concern to many parents and professionals. Once a social issue involves problems that affect individuals or groups beyond their capacity to correct –responsibility needs to shift from individual accountability to holding the forces and influences that cause it accountable. While educating individual parents to guide and protect their children is always part of any prevention plan, the problem is well beyond what individual parents and children can do to protect themselves.

However, for many, repeated exposure and use is correlated to problematic attitudes and behaviors that can lead to sexual aggression and violence. Pornography fuels demand for child sexual exploitation and prostituted/trafficked women and children. Substantiated research also shows correlations to domestic violence against women, increased Sexually Transmitted Infections (STIs), and increased sexual dysfunction in young men. 

Please note the lack of any citations for this "substantiated research."

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NCSE goes on to compare the pornography "crisis" to "other major health crises including lead poisoning, asbestos exposure, smoking and HIV/AIDS," suggesting that "leadership, commitment and investment is required at the private and public sector" to combat this scourge. 

Several recent studies have offered results opposite those NCSE claims. The first, published in the academic journal Sexual Medicine, found no correlation between increased porn consumption and either male erectile dysfuntion or decreased desire for sex with a partner. "Many clinicians claim that watching erotica makes men unable to respond sexually to 'normal' sexual situations with a partner," said study co-author Nicole Prause, an associate research scientist at UCLA's Semel Institute for Neuroscience and Human Behavior, but that was not the case in her research.

"These data suggest that inventing a new problem—porn causing erectile problems—for which there is no tested treatment, may be a disservice to patients," she added, noting that the main causes of erection issues among respondents were performance anxiety, poor heart health, and drug side-effects. 

The second study, published in Biological Psychology, challenges the very premise of "porn addiction," at least as any sort of biological phenomenon.

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For the study—also conducted by Prause, along with a team of other researchers—scientists recruited 55 self-professed porn addicts and 67 respondents with no porn problem. All respondents viewed photographs, some sexy, while hooked up to an EEG machine. Unlike other types of addicts, whose brain activity increases in certain regions with exposure to the problematic stimuli, respondents who claimed porn addiction showed decreased activity in these brain regions when viewing the more erotic imagery. This means "these porn users do not look like any other addiction," said Prause, and "by extension, this means it is not appropriate to call porn addicting from a scientific perspective."

Rather than re-debunking the rest of the junk-science NCSE is spouting, I'll point you to some Reason staffers' previous bashing of bad claims about pornography: 

As Reason has previously pointed out, "every conceivable social indicator over the last 20 years obliterates the idea that porn is causing widespread societal harm." Over the course of what NCSE describes as an "unprecedented and unregulated social experiment" with online pornography over the past few decades, crimes from rape to domestic violence to sex offenses against children are all down drastically in the United States. The forcible rape rate, for instance, dropped from 41.1 per 100,000 people in 1990 to 28.7 per 100,000 in 2009. Incidents of domestic violence, meanwhile, dropped 50 percent between 1993 and 2004. 

And crimes against children have decreased across most categories since the 1990s, with especially large drops in sex crimes. The rate of CPS-certified sexual abuse between 1992 and 2011 dropped by 63 percent, according to a 2014 study from JAMA Pediatrics. Between 2003 and 2011—arguably the period when Internet pornography came into its own—overall sexual victimization of children dropped 25 percent, with "rates of rape, flashing, and statutory sex offenses [all] reduced significantly." 

Some researchers even suggest that the link between the rise of online porn and the decline in sex-crime rates is not random. 

The 2015 anti-porn summit from NCSE marks the second one it has organized on the Hill following a 27-year-hiatus. In a sign that they're better-skilled at reading the zeitgeist than scientific research, NCSE and its allies have now updated their anti-pornography focus from porn's immorality to the alleged social-ills it causes, including buzz-worthy worries such as sex-trafficking and campus and military sexual assault. NCSE leaders are using recent attention to these issus as a hook for their tired old platform, suggesting that these things could be reduced by addressing their "root cause": pornography.

"We're addressing sexual violence in the military and sex trafficking, but you have to address what attracts a man to enslave a woman or a man to have sex with an enslaved woman, and that's pornography," NCSE President and COO Patrick Trueman told The Hill

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) is the honorary sponsor of the today's event. I'll leave you with a few of the "highlights" NCSE and other attendees have been tweeting out: 

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  1. Nuke it from orbit.

  2. “Males who use pornography”- does she mean all males? Why doesn’t she just say that?

    1. ^^this

    2. How do you “use” pornography?

      1. With one hand. Obvs

        1. I need both hands.

          1. In your dreams.

      2. I usually melt it on a spoon, tie off my arm with a tube, and then make sure to inject it carefully into the vein while making sure not to miss because that can cause gangrene.

        1. Obviously people use it for ideas on how to traffic sexuals.

          1. Porn is pubic enema number one!!!!

        2. No wonder you have erectile dysfunction.

          1. +1 flogged dolphin

            1. kissed the porpoise’s mouth.

    3. She didn’t wish to expose how public the problem was, that’s why

  3. While educating individual parents to guide and protect their children is always part of any prevention plan, the problem is well beyond what individual parents and children can do to protect themselves.

    There is no problem too small or made up that experts can’t help with.

  4. Um, hasn’t this ship sailed? Oh, right, we’re going to give the FCC control over the Internet. So another attempt at content regulation of the web should be coming.

    1. That’s impossible. Reddit assured me that the government just wanted to make sure everyone got fIOS for super cheep.

      1. You get what you pay for.

    2. As usual you get everything backward. Net neutrality would ensure the free flow of your porn since porn bits are treated the same as other bits.

      Yeah, I know.

      Wingnut.com says otherwise.

      1. That’s wingnut.cum to you.

      2. Hi Tulpa / Bo / Tony / Mary / Weigel / Hamilton / Joe / Frank / Reynolds!

        1. ^^^This is the crazy shit right here^^^

      3. *stands behind PBP holding bell*

        Shame. *ding ding* Shame. *ding ding* Shame. *ding ding* Shame… etc.

        1. NOOOOOO! NOT NEKED BUTTPLUG!

        2. I’ve got a fever, and the only cure is more shame bell.

      4. “As usual you get everything backward. Net neutrality would ensure the free flow of your porn since porn bits are treated the same as other bits.”

        Well now that’s an amazing solution to a completely non-existent problem.

        1. Tell PL. He was complaining about “content regulation” via the internet. But that dipshit was also complaining about how scary Iran is too so take it with a grain of salt.

          1. Says a guy who is still, in 2015, complaining about George Bush.

            Look, who’s your therapist/caseworker? I’ll call them for you, if the ants under your skin won’t let you pick up the phone yourself.

      5. excepting, of course, if net neutrality led to all bits being equally suppressed.. right? I mean, businesses would never simply follow a regulation to the lowest common requirements… right?

        Or, on the other and MUCH MORE LIKELY, scenario- Time warner, etc., wouldn’t ever start charging based on use- ala cell phone carriers- meaning that less will be consumed by all for a higher price? right? none of these could potentially be outcomes?

      6. As usual you get everything backward. Net neutrality would ensure the free flow of your porn since porn bits are treated the same as other bits.

        You think the “neutrality” applies to the government regulators and lawmakers? If these porn banners got their way those bits would not be treated the same. Those bits would carry legal penalties regardless of whether your ISP chooses to throttle the types of traffic that it deems proper. Net neutrality is irrelevant, except to advocates of the total state like yourself of course who don’t see distinctions or principles anywhere in the universe.

        1. Come on now, Bill Clinton is about to become co-President. Do you think he’s going to let anything happen to Pornhub?

          1. Come on, do you think those rules apply to him?

            1. He’s going to become a civilian again one day. What else is he going to have to look forward to in the retirement home but taking Viagra and jerking off?

              1. Ole Slick Willy? You’re joking right? Hell be getting those “special” sponge baths until the day he dies.

          2. Who needs porn when you have interns?

      7. NN applies to companies, not to the government. It’s a stretch, certainly, but NN could lay the groundwork for a claim to control over content in the same way that the FCC controls content on the airwaves.

        1. It’s not that much of a stretch, the real question isn’t whether they can cow a court into giving them that level of power, it’s whether they’ll think it politically beneficial.

      8. The internet only works as well as it ever does because of peering agreements between ISPs and content providers. These agreements prioritize traffic for high-bandwidth content like streaming video, which currently makes up a majority of internet traffic. These agreements are, by definition, unequal treatment of bits. And they’re critical: the internet was not designed to steam high-definition Netflix content, and it’s groaning under the strain.

        Egalitarian nonsense about “bit equally” appeals to people who don’t understand how the internet works, people who have stimulus responses to words like “equality” and “fairness.” Nobody who understands the internet wants “bit equality.” It would literally break everything.

      9. I can’t believe anyone here at Reason is dumb enough to promote “bit neutrality.” I still haven’t heard a decent argument as to why this is any different from other price differentials based on priority or volume, such as first class mail, first class airline tickets, better seats at a concert or baseball game, or even shopping at Costco.

        1. Because non-neutrality is based on content, which is ridiculous. It is like saying your letter is more expensive because it is being mailed to a women, not a man.
          If you use more bits, then pay more. But if your bits are coming or going from a particular site, why should they cost more?

    3. They’ll go after porn incrementally. First they ban the really bizarre stuff that almost everyone finds revolting, and then gradually move on into BDSM and more mainstream fetishes (Can a fetish be mainstream?) and then eventually do away with porn all together.

      Basically It’s the same strategy they’ve been using against guns.

      1. I’m NOT having my dick microstamped for those fucks!

      2. …. From my warm, sticky hands.

      3. It will never happen. They may get a vocal base (stated preferences), but no politician is stupid enough to count on getting votes (revealed preferences) once they come out as anti-porn.

        1. I don’t know, if they do it from the SJW angle, they might be willing to do it.

        2. I don’t know. How many people are going to come out and defend tentacle hentai for example? Keeping in mind that the Japanese don’t vote in this country.

          1. I’ll do it- just like I do pot smokers/bigamists/etc.

            You don’t have to like it or partake in it to defend it!

            1. Extrapolating the political climate from your own preferences as a libertarian has negative predictive power.

              1. Now known as Christophe’s Law.

        3. They’ll continue to classify it as a public health issue under “addiction”. It needs to be regulated because people are helpless against their addictions. Politicians will then have the necessary cover to support it.

        4. especially the gov’t worker vote

        5. The Adult Entertainment industry pulls in $13B/yr, so I’m told. You seriously think Hustler, Playboy, and the rest can’t afford lobbyists?

      4. Prohibition doesn’t work.

        But it pays well.

      5. A prefigure of Ein Barde und ein Holzhacker

        The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
        …H. L. Mencken

  5. However, for many, repeated exposure and use is correlated to problematic attitudes and behaviors that can lead to sexual aggression and violence.

    There needs to be an “SJW or SoCon” quiz. If this was a question there, I’d see “problematic” and totally guess wrong.

    For those who want a similar experience, Sargon of Akkad did “Stormfront or Social Justice” quiz a while back:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-ZX5V4Qft4

  6. What about chicks who…”use”…porn? Are we fucking chopped liver, you fucking fucks?

    1. You poor victim of the patriarchy.

      1. Yes. It’s so obvious. If you weren’t brainwashed by men you would see this clearly.

    2. You don’t exist, like female libertarians.

      Away, ghost!

    3. Harlequin novels don’t count.

        1. That’s funny. But the only person, living or dead, who could read it and make me listen to the whole thing would be Peter Lorre.

        2. Fifty shades of grey, sure, yeah…

          Listen…
          In today’s snail-mail paper? As an old geezer, that’s how I get a lot of news still, to this day? I learned of a college student-hacker who shifted (upwards, of course) her own college grades on her college network database. Yes, “her”? Usually it’s guys doing this kind of thing; this time it was a young lady named “Fey”.

          So she wrote a book about her exploits!

          ?

          ?

          ?

          ?

          It’s called “Shifty Grades of Fey”!

          1. I don’t think swiss is here, so…

            Narrows gaze

    4. fucking chopped liver

      Wait? Is that a niche site or can I find that in a regular “wet ‘n messy” porn site?

      I always had you pegged as a balloon fetishist, myself.

      Jus’ sayin’

      1. There’s probably a category for it on youporn

      2. jesus, the things you people do to my Youtube – recommended list.

      3. I always had you pegged

        Uh, hmm.

    5. I believe you’re enslaved.

      1. +1 False consciousness

  7. What these people need is a good fuckin’.

    1. Good to see you back around these parts!

      Uh, no homo….

    2. The penis has a point. Good tip! You should head up the response!

    3. Now THERE’S a ballsy solution.

      1. You’ve stiffened my resolve to fight back.

      2. I, too, will rise to the occasion.

        1. I volunteer to go undercover and penetrate the summit, and then meat with the organizing ladies just to pump them for information.

        2. I’ll stay up all night pounding away at this issue if I have to.

          1. And this is why I come to Reason’s comments. Swear to God.

  8. So Larry Flynt is the same as Adam Lanza, basically.

    Seems legit

  9. Ah, a pornography thread.
    At last, something I can really get behind….

  10. Liberals lost their fucking shit during the Meese commission on pornography back in the 80s. Lost their fucking shit. I’m trying to figure out how we can blame this on Reagan.

    1. For those keeping score at home, I’m referring to history B.T. (before Twitter).

    2. Wait were the Libs pro porn or anti? I could see them going both ways on this depending on how the issue is presented.

      1. What’s this about “going both ways “?

      2. Since the SoCons opposed porn the Libs by default supported it. But now we see they’re no different than the SoCons they purport to despise.

      3. They were pro, since back then they kept their feminist kooks hidden in the basement, instead of giving them status in the party.

        Bill Clinton only had his obscenity task force go after the fetish videos of women in heels stomping mice, so porn producers loved him.

        But 2000 changed everything. Gore selected Lieberman as his running mate, who was only really known for being obsessed with banning offensive entertainment the entire 90s. So combined with the Jesus Freaks combo in Dubya and Ashcroft, porn was screwed. And then Ashcroft had Rob Black and Max Hardcore arrested within a year of becoming AG.

        I don’t get the impression Obama really gives a shit, but lots of his supporters do. But then again, unless you’re a Jesus Freak obsessed with the idea of sexually permissiveness destroying America, you’re not going to want to look like a complete fucking idiot talking about porno when there’s a war going on.

        1. Er, the 2000s were the most profitable and prolific decade in the history of porn. The Bush admin got what, 2 convictions for obscenity in 8 years? And that was very fringe stuff.

          So combined with the Jesus Freaks combo in Dubya and Ashcroft, porn was screwed. And then Ashcroft had Rob Black and Max Hardcore arrested within a year of becoming AG.

          1. Well, I can think of 4 off hand. Black (for doing fake rape films), Hardcore (for having rough sex), a guy in Florida who made golden shower stuff, and some other guy for selling fake rape movies. But the real problem was when they were going after adult stores, or regular video stores who sold tame Vivid or even Playboy videos in counties they were banned. He got at least 20 of those convictions.

            And even if it was only 2, their point was more they didn’t want the stress than actually believing Steve Hirsch or whoever was going to go to jail, and that stores won’t be shut down. Like with pro choice groups. They know their biggest threat is states outlawing it. But they’ll still have a nervous breakdown if someone like Ted Cruz becomes President, even though if they’re being honest with themselves, they know he’s not going to bother them just like Bush didn’t.

  11. Slightly on topic:

    Trump buttplug designed by immigrant entrepreneur –

    http://dangerousminds.net/comm….._butt_plug

    1. Both are a pain in the ass…

  12. Right, right, boo Moralists and all that.

    But… is there any evidence that porn can harm people mentally, (obviously I’m looking for a new hobby and/or drug here), perhaps in early adolescent development? Or is this just Pop-Psychology hooey?

    1. Pop-Psychology hooey. There is a persistent undercurrent in American culture (I blame the Puritans myself) that anything you personally do not like MUST therefore be harmful and/or addictive.

      1. You know who else blamed certain people for things?

    2. is there any evidence that porn can harm people mentally, (obviously I’m looking for a new hobby and/or drug here), perhaps in early adolescent development?

      Define harm. I’m sure that they could find some correlation to “negative outcomes” if they went looking for it. It’s even possible that there is a legitimate developmental change that comes from watching porn at certain ages. Of course, we’ll never get a real answer because both sides are so entrenched in their beliefs that an unbiased study could never be done.

      1. “It’s even possible that there is a legitimate developmental change that comes from watching porn at certain ages.”

        The closest actual test I can think of was back in the late 70’s/early 80’s where adult men were shown films of violence towards women and were later shown to have greater acceptance of it. (No idea if those feelings persisted throughout their lives though) I imagine that a steady stream of pornography, starting at a young age, could have results of a similar nature.

        “Of course, we’ll never get a real answer because both sides are so entrenched in their beliefs that an unbiased study could never be done.”

        It’s also very hard to do long-term drug impact studies on children. Stupid country.

        1. The closest actual test I can think of was back in the late 70’s/early 80’s where adult men were shown films of violence towards women and were later shown to have greater acceptance of it.

          IIRC the studies did not show “acceptance” of any kind, only a reduction in shock and revulsion. They didn’t start supporting such behavior.

          In some cases, being exposed to graphic depictions of violence causes the viewer to become more strongly against it because they don’t think of it in the abstract anymore. This is especially the case for war violence.

          1. “IIRC the studies did not show “acceptance” of any kind, only a reduction in shock and revulsion. They didn’t start supporting such behavior.”

            Just found it, conclusion says “acceptance”

            “The data indicate that exposure to two-feature-length movies portraying violence against women as having positive consequences increased males’ acceptance of interpersonal violence against women.”

            http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/com…..1Jrp15.pdf

            “In some cases, being exposed to graphic depictions of violence causes the viewer to become more strongly against it because they don’t think of it in the abstract anymore. This is especially the case for war violence.”

            I’d be happy to read more about that.

            1. What a POS study. Classic example of the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy. They had a 34 question survey broken into three groups (general interpersonal violence, rape fantasy, adversarial gender behavior), and only one of the question groups (interpersonal violence) showed a statistically significant difference between the experimental and control participants. And they turn around and claim that was the point of the study (not the two other groups)

              And that group of questions had the lowest acceptance to begin with, which was exactly my point — the survey participants went from strong opposition to slightly less strong opposition. It’s disingenuous to call it “increased acceptance”.

    3. I’m 51 and have viewed ‘porn’ on a daily basis since I found my dad’s Playboys hidden under his bed. I have a vast collection on hard drives consisting of literally millions of images and hundreds of hours of video. Yet I have no problem rising to the occasion whenever my girlfriend is in the mood (which is often). She’s even commented that I get aroused quicker than the guys her age (she just turned 28) that she used to date. But that’s because she’s real and porn is not. So, where’s the problem?

      1. Ima getting tired of hearing of your good fortune. Also, pics or it didn’t happen.

  13. The first, published in the academic journal Sexual Medicine, found no correlation between increased porn consumption and…decreased desire for sex with a partner

    The exact opposite is true in my case.

    1. I rub one out as a warmup.

      1. It’s like playing with a loaded gun if you don’t!

        1. It really is.

          Plus, I’m not going to give my wife the easy one. She has to earn it.

    2. Depends on the partner, I suppose.

  14. Holy fucking shit, that twitter feed is amazing.

    1. One of those tweets is pretty racist. (Go ahead and try to guess which one. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised!)

      1. The one about Abolitionists not just ‘saving children’ from Slavery?

        although i’m not sure how its racist.

        1. Wrong. Let me know if you want a hint.

  15. There’s an anime airing right now about a couple of students rebelling against a dystopian Japan that has gone full-puritanical, complete with literal moral police who will arrest you if you utter forbidden sexual words.

    I’ve watched the first two episodes and it can be juvenile, but overall it is a laugh riot.

    1. That’s the real danger in modern Japan – not enough sexual perversion.

      Wouldn’t a dystopian future Japan look more like a bunch of 80 year olds hanging out and watching tentacle porn while being served food by robots because no one bothered having any kids?

        1. Indeed, because once all the Japanese finally croak we’ll have some prime real estate for the taking, and sense we already have a military presence there we don’t have to worry about the Chinese or Russians moving in first.

      1. Somehow I doubt they invented the bukkake but porn history is not my best subject.

        1. Apple didn’t invent the MP3 player, but the iPod became ubiquitous.

      2. I’m not sure about that. It seems certain politicians are aware of Japan’s, *ahem* reputation, and want to fix that. There was a law passed a few years back that allows the government to basically declare any piece of media “unhealthy” and ban it. It caused a huge uproar among authors and manga artists. I’m an anime fan so I tend to at least passingly keep up with this kind of stuff.

        Add to that the weird fact that you are never allowed to show a penis or a vagina in ANYTHING. It must be pixelated or blacked out.

        1. It must be pixelated or blacked out.

          Ohhhhhhh. That’s what that is. I thought the Japanese just had weirdly undefined genitalia.

          1. So my many years of being turned off by Asian women was based on a lie?

        2. Add to that the weird fact that you are never allowed to show a penis or a vagina in ANYTHING. It must be pixelated or blacked out.

          This I think is part of the reason for ever-popular tentacles. Those you don’t have to pixelate. Other part, of course, is that Japan has been weird forever (c.f. Dream of Fisherman’s Wife, and I’m not talking Archer here).

          1. It depends on how much like actual penises they look.

            Feel free to ponder how I know that.

      3. Tentacle porn features heavily in the upcoming episode of Audio Edibles which will be posted tonight.

  16. If you thought good old-fashioned Moral Majoritarians were just going to concede Puritanism to fourth-wave feminists…

    I don’t even know what that means, but I’m certain that this “summit” will accomplish what every other summit of its kind accomplishes: concern, then counter-concern, then boredom, then oblivion.

    1. And room service and expensed Uber rides and dinner at Sequoia and…

      1. Don’t forget the mini bar!

  17. This is as good a time as any to bring up the greatest film of all time – Cyber Seduction: His Secret Life.

    It’s about a young man whose life is ruined by his addiction to soft core pornography and he spends all his time pounding back Red Bulls and watching porn but never actually appearing to masturbate to it. Something Awful had a hilarious review:

    “After navigating a backyard patio full of kids gingerly holding beer bottles and cups, they slip inside to find the cool kids. “Hey, want some beer?” someone offers, and both turn it down, because that is a life-ruining addiction for another TV movie. They find the cool kids and various hangers-on slouching around a TV, watching some sort of porno that involves extremely close-up shots of legs and arms while a man and a woman moan vaguely inoffensively. One of the cool kids pipes up. “Hey dude,” he says to another kid with a keyboard. “Type up ‘naked college babes’.” Suddenly all the girls present in the room are offended by the guy’s obvious piggishness, despite the fact that they are all currently watching the safe-for-television equivalent of hardcore pornography. “You guys are such losers,” one girl says. “How would you like it if we watched naked guys?” Porn popups begin filling the screen. “This is hilarious,” another girl says. “People are freaks.” Apparently all the underage drinking has killed their short term memories.”

    1. “The next day at swim practice, Justin’s late night shenanigans catch up with him as his lap times deteriorate. His angry black man of a swim coach chews him out over his sudden slowness. “That is a sorry excuse for a swim and you know it!” the coach screams. Justin apologizes and as he looks around the pool, he suddenly notices that another swimmer has large breasts, as evidenced by a slow-motion closeup of a girl’s swimsuit-covered bust while Justin stares with glazed eyes. Do you not see what porn is doing to him? He is noticing that women have curves! This is clearly unacceptable behavior for a teenage boy and the ominous music warns us as such.

      Later at school, Justin is walking down the hallway when, like a butterfly emerging from its cocoon, he begins to realize that there is highly sexualized imagery all around him, everywhere he looks! His girlfriend’s incessant drone fades out as Justin focuses intently on legs, hips, butts, breasts, and all other aspects of womanhood which prior to that point had only struck him in a coldly academic manner. There is literally a 30-second montage of various female body parts as Justin gazes in wonder. And to think he would never noticed without the cruel influence of porn, it is truly saddening.”

    2. That sounds amazing. Every generation needs its own Reefer Madness.

      1. Very little porn for a movie about porn.

        Pass.

    3. I had completely forgotten about that movie. Now I want to watch it again. Just hilarious. I love it when he gets nervous and backs out of banging that girl from his high school and she flips out and starts banging her head on the bathroom counter.

  18. Honestly, comparing the Rs I know vs. the Ds, I would say at this point, the Ds are slightly MORE likely to favor regulating and limiting porn.

    And BTW: My wife likes porn too! And I guarantee you, it doesn’t diminish in any way my desire for my wife.

    And most porn ISN’t “violent” or rape. Obviously that is out there, but even most of the BDSM stuff is obviously staged.

    Fucking Puritans of all stripes. THIS is the hill I will fucking die on!!

    1. THIS is the hill orgy pile I will fucking die on

      1. That’s about our speed these days. The next revolution will come when the government tries to suppress porn.

        1. I call the top of the pile.

    2. I used to chat with a nice, Progressive lady who was open minded about everything except porn. She thought all ‘porn’ should be criminalized because it gave men ideas of sexual acts to try on their wives–and that was borderline rape.

      1. Errrr muh gerrrrrd! Idearrrrzzzz!!!

    3. Honestly, comparing the Rs I know vs. the Ds, I would say at this point, the Ds are slightly MORE likely to favor regulating and limiting porn.

      Most of the conservative Christians that I know have given up on policy changes, and just focus on keeping their kids on the PG-13 side of the Internet. As long as the kid makes it to high school graduation without sexting, they see it as a win.

      And BTW: My wife likes porn too! And I guarantee you, it doesn’t diminish in any way my desire for my wife.

      Oh what fun you can have when your panties aren’t in a wad (or they can be, NTTAWWT) about porn. I don’t really watch porn anymore, but anybody who has ever been turned on by anything that wasn’t their spouse knows that it doesn’t diminish your desire for them.

      And most porn ISN’t “violent” or rape. Obviously that is out there, but even most of the BDSM stuff is obviously staged.

      It’s all suppression of “wrongthink.” You dare get your rocks off to a girl tied to a tree? How dare you?

      Fucking Puritans of all stripes. THIS is the hill I will fucking die on!!

      I think the problem is that they’re not fucking enough.

  19. Unlike other types of addicts, whose brain activity increases in certain regions with exposure to the problematic stimuli, respondents who claimed porn addiction showed decreased activity in these brain regions when viewing the more erotic imagery.

    This hints at what the real problem with excessive porn consumption really is: a person getting desensitized to normal sexual intercourse, which can lead to performance issues, ED, and a porn viewers compulsion to view increasingly bizarre fetish material in order to achieve climax. It’s the reason I try to avoid porn personally.

    Of course, I’ll likely just be painted as a puritan and moralist for simply stating this fact without seeking any govt intervention to stem the flow of porn. Because too many think libertinism = libertarianism.

    1. “Fact”. I do not think that means what you think that means.

      1. which can lead to

        I didn’t say it always does, just that it can. And while researching academic studies on porn consumption and its impact on libido is not something i feel comfortable doing on my work computer, there is plenty of academic literature examining that it can lead to such issues even if it doesn’t necessarily lead to them.

        1. Just admit that your weiner is broken.

        2. What are the virtues of “normal sexual intercourse” and a high libido, really? Not enough babies around? Not enough pillow talk?

          1. Not enough 3D gay porn on the Occulus Rift.

          2. The ability to sustain an erection and achieve climax in the course of a traditional one on one penetrative sex act with a significant other is probably among the most important things required to maintain a healthy romantic relationship.

            I don’t know many women that would date long term a guy who couldn’t stay hard and couldn’t cum.

            1. “Uh… um… when a man… needs to prove to a woman that he’s actua- when a man loves a woman, and he actually wants to make love, uh, to her, something very, very special happens. And with deep, deep concentration and, and great focus, he’s often able to achieve an erec…”

            2. Women will take a guy who can’t cum over a premature ejaculator. Hardness is mandatory but cumming is optional.

              1. Not!! Women want men to want them and be aroused by them. They want the same things most men want. Premature ejaculation is flattering.

            3. So you’re saying the primary value is a “healthy romantic relationship.” Okay. If that’s what floats your boat, I guess.

              What if my primary value is being left the hell alone by other people, especially ones attractive enough to fuck and who are therefore idiots? Sometimes I think I’d take a pill to decrease libido.

              1. Would you like to tell us about your Mother, Tony?

                Hang on while I get my homberg and cigar.

                1. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What’s the cigar for?

                  1. “A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke”

              2. What if my primary value is being left the hell alone by other people..?

                Why, then you’d be a libertarian, not Tony. But you are Tony, aren’t you, you poor thing.

            4. Too right. A guy who can’t cum is uptight and unflattering! Relax a little. Get into the groove. Think “Grandfather” in the movie “Little Big Man”, ” Does she show pleasant enthusiasm when you mount her?” A little pleasant enthusiasm goes a long way. Unfortunately, circumcised men do not receive as much pleasure from vaginal intercourse as uncircumcised men do. It’s just work. A glaring fault of western civilization and the reason for our low birth rates and our addiction to porn.

              1. I had a “friend” whose husband wasn’t circumcised, she said that they had a lot of sexual problems because of it, and he was actually thinking about having it done.

              2. You had me until that ridiculous statement regarding circumcision. Zero proof for that. And I can tell you that I don’t know how I possibly could have any more sensation!!

    2. If only you could define “normal sexual intercourse”.

      1. For the purposes of this discussion, the sort of sex that is most commonly practiced in the vast majority of sexual relationships: 2 people, vaginal penetration. The positions don’t matter, the props don’t matter. The whole point is that if you watch gangbang DP porns every day twice daily you’ll find even incorporating BDSM and anal beads into your sex life with your partner may be insufficient to overcome ED or performance issues.

        1. if you watch gangbang DP porns every day twice daily

          And the percentage of the population that engages in this behavior is?

          1. Yeah, who has time for that?

          2. Percentage of males under 30 that do watch that sort of porn on a regular basis I’d imagine is decently high, if only based on my conversations about porn with friends and strangers.

            Again, it’s fucking mindnumbing that even while I’m not suggesting there should be any changes to obscenity laws governing the stuff, the mere suggestion that maybe porn has some negative effects for the viewer depending on the frequency and nature of the viewed materials is causing me to be viewed as some sort of statist asshole.

            I think cocaine should be legal. I think occasional cocaine use is mostly harmless fun. I think snorting an 8 ball on a daily basis can be a problem. I have the same view of porn.

            1. I suspect that the real issue is not so much a ‘dependence’, but simply expectations (or depression).

              If your viewing shows almost limitless appetite of fit, exuberant young bodies in extreme action for 1hr 20min, it could be a bit of a disappointment on Friday night if your partner’s idea of a wild time is spending a few more minutes on oral, and positioning a mirror in the right place.

              1. A valid point. It is in part the extreme variety of porn that can lead to disappointment.

                Also worth noting that perhaps the most porn forward culture on the planet, Japan, also has a massive problem with so-called herbivores who have retreated to video games and increasingly surreal erotica instead of real sex.

            2. I suspect that the real issue is not so much a ‘dependence’, but simply expectations (or depression).

              If your viewing shows almost limitless appetite of fit, exuberant young bodies in extreme action for 1hr 20min, it could be a bit of a disappointment on Friday night if your partner’s idea of a wild time is spending a few more minutes on oral, and positioning a mirror in the right place.

              1. Last place I want squirrels, btw.

            3. is causing me to be viewed as some sort of statist asshole.

              I never said that. I just asked how many people do you believe watch gangbang DP porns every day twice daily. Let me even rephrase that. How many people do you believe masturbate twice daily? Hell, how many people have sex twice daily?

              1. maybe not twice daily, but I’d guess at least around 50% of men under 30 get off about daily.

                If most of that is coming from masturbation and a good amount of that is aided by porn, its not unreasonable to expect a pretty big chunk of guys running into whatever issues overexposure may cause.

                1. maybe not twice daily, but I’d guess at least around 50% of men under 30 get off about daily.

                  I’m guessing it’s self-reported data, but the percentage is closer to 20.

                  1. The same self reported data that shows 16.5% of men 24-29 haven’t jerked off in the last year.

                    I know the wars took their toll on our troops, but I don’t think 16.5% of men between 24-29 are lacking a right arm. I’ll call bullshit on that and suggest that the daily or near daily crowd will be covered by the 40% that are at least 2-3 times weekly.

                    1. Again too low. I’d say that closer to 80% of men, including married ones, into at least their 40’s, have fun alone.

            4. Again, it’s fucking mindnumbing that even while I’m not suggesting there should be any changes to obscenity laws governing the stuff, the mere suggestion that maybe porn has some negative effects for the viewer depending on the frequency and nature of the viewed materials is causing me to be viewed as some sort of statist asshole.

              I’m with you here Sudden. I have no desire to smoke weed and I’m pretty sure I would have problems with methamphetamines, so I avoid them and think they are bad. I don’t think they should be illegal.

              I do, however, like porn and don’t have a problem with it. I have suggested that the occupation can be hard on women (based largely on *my* consumption of *women’s* testimony in porn-agnostic or porn-friendly contexts) while agreeing that men (and women) who impugn women for choosing the profession are whiny asshats.

              Just asserting downsides might exist can get you branded. It’s weird that the same people will swear they’re being rational.

              1. Wait so now we can’t even criticize people for choosing to be in porn? So basically left-wing non-judgementalism?

                1. Yes.

                  There is a serious contingent around these forums who will judge you for even fantasizing that it might be wrong. Even when you aren’t fantasizing but pointing out how the people involved say they think it’s wrong based on experience without regard to social expectations.

                  They will go on to lament the overbearing right-wing socon domination of these forums.

        2. I just read about research that shows that “sex addiction” isn’t actually a thing because, unlike with drug addiction, people do not develop a tolerance for orgasms. You jerk off or fuck or whatever, wait a while, then you’re ready to go again just as eager as before. Do you not experience it that way? Doesn’t this suggest that your model (increasingly bizarre sexual needs) may not apply?

        3. I obviously can only speak for myself. But I suppose that if someone indulged too much, then they might not have much libido left for their best gal (or guy! or gals, or guys, or gals and guys, or……..)
          But, that is true for any behavior:
          Shopping is legal: If I shop too much, I don’t have enough cash for bills and food.
          Booze is legal: if I drink too much, I can’t function the next day
          Porn is legal: If I beat it too much, maybe I can’t give my wife my full attention.
          But until someone can actually show me real, honest to goodness science that any porn viewing is very bad, then PornHub is going to continue to be A-numba-1 on my home computer!

      2. 2.5 minutes in length, missionary, with the lights off. He still has his tighty whities on and goes through the fly hole.

    3. Uh huh. You have this terrible habit of projecting your own massive issues onto everyone else. You might want to stop that, because I hate to break it to you, but your problems? Most people don’t have them.

      1. How do you know that? It’s just as much projection to project your (self-reported) “lack” of issues as it is for him to project his issues onto others. And most people aren’t that great about recognizing their issues or when they have a problem anyways.

        If Sudden’s completely perfunctory, gentle “hey guys no need to ban it but caution is in order” gets you this worked up then what’s the point in pretending that libertarianism is any different from libertine Epicureanism.

      2. How do you know that? It’s just as much projection to project your (self-reported) “lack” of issues as it is for him to project his issues onto others. And most people aren’t that great about recognizing their issues or when they have a problem anyways.

        If Sudden’s completely perfunctory, gentle “hey guys no need to ban it but caution is in order” gets you this worked up then what’s the point in pretending that libertarianism is any different from libertine Epicureanism.

    4. Maybe it’s just me but I find even anodyne real sex to be vastly superior to the most amazing porn. IMHO “desensitized to normal sexual intercourse” is not a normal occurrence and probably should be a concern.

      1. There is no substitute between the feeling of real sex vs. masturbation (though I’ll admit to having never used a fleshlight or any other synthetic devices).

        But from a visual perspective, some men get accustomed to either cumming to certain angles in porn that aren’t visible in a first person perspective (unless using mirrors carefully) or to other features within their particular genre of porn that are less achievable in the confines of a more straightforward hookup. This can cause issues for some.

      2. Yup! I can watch the hottest chicks fucking guys with 8″ cocks in groups, lesbians etc.
        As soon as my wife takes her shirt off, I AM GOING TO TOWN!

        1. As soon as my wife takes her shirt off, I AM GOING TO TOWN!

          No question. However;

          1.) Why choose? and
          2.) Why choose if pressing the button to turn on lesbian porn causes your wife’s shirt to come off?

    5. I suppose those things can happen. But I suspect that in most cases it has to do with physical problems and not just desensitization.
      i wouldn’t say I am a heavy viewer of pornography, but I do indulge. And i can’t say that watching more makes me want or need to see things that are more bizarre or hardcore stuff to maintain interest. For me it is quite the opposite, if anything.
      I will say that I am far less sensitized to soft-core nudie pics than I once was, but that might just be getting older. Gone are the days when the hint of a nipple was enough for an instant boner.

  20. There was a famous anti drug commercial back in the 1980s where they showed a rat that was in a cage and had a choice of water with cocaine and one without and it ended up doing the cocaine until it died. It was based on a real study. Someone eventually went back and redid the study only instead of locking the poor rat in a cage it created a nice rat habitat with other rats and interesting things for the rats to do. This time, however, the rats didn’t show much interest in the cocaine. They would drink a little but not very much and none of them killed themselves. The lesson was the rats only whacked themselves with cocaine because they were stuck in a cage with nothing better to do not because the cocaine has some magic power over them.

    The whole thing with the scourge of pornography addiction reminds me of this. You have cases of men who are married to ice queen wives who won’t put out and are effectively rats in cages and turn to porn because they have nothing better to do.

    1. “The lesson was the rats only whacked themselves with cocaine because they were stuck in a cage with nothing better to do not because the cocaine has some magic power over them.”

      YES. I can do all the coke I want and so long as I do it around people, no problem!

      Thank you, science.

      1. No, no, no, the lesson is if you do too much cocaine it’s other peoples’ fault for not giving you enough stimulation.

    2. You have cases of men who are… effectively rats in cages

      Despite all of their rage, amirite?

      1. Don’t tell me I’m the only one appreciative of this comment.

        1. You’re not.

    3. Yeah, I’m pretty sure that if I were locked up in a cell with a water fountain and a cocaine fountain, I would probably do some damage to myself with the cocaine too.

    4. Do you honestly believe that’s who’s consuming most porn. I mean cynically I can see the value in the ubiquitousness of porn and video games because its narcotized a large portion of the previously violent youth cohort, but the idea that sex-starved married guys are driving porn consumption is just weird. Porn consumption is driven by lonely guys who don’t even have the confidence to talk to girls much less the height, attractiveness, and status to hook up with or marry one.

      1. My point still stands, those guys are not addicted to porn in any meaningful way. The moment they find a girlfriend or get access to real sex, they will give up porn just like the rats gave up coke.

        1. Yes but you’ll notice the rats didn’t free themselves. The point is a lot of the things we took for granted as points in male development we come to find out really only happen because males want/need to attract a mate. If you take away the “desire” portion of that process then you are going to see a lot more males failing to launch. I think for a maybe twenty percent of males porn, drugs and video games are a perfectly satisfactory replacement for actually pursuing a female partner.

          1. I think for a maybe twenty percent of males porn, drugs and video games are a perfectly satisfactory replacement for actually pursuing a female partner.

            And? I wouldn’t assert that porn is inherently a good thing by any means. But if somebody wants to select themselves out of the gene pool exploring the depths of porn I see no obligation to intervene more than if they did so studying alternating current or plant sex.

    5. Man John, they don’t give you break, do they?

  21. Asking for a friend… so the Sony VR headset won’t come with porn, but the Rift will? My friend hates Microsoft a lot and already owns a PS4.

    1. In general, you’ll want PC for this sort of thing. Each console manufacturer will be very careful about what sort of thing winds up on their system, so Oculus on PC will probably be the easiest way to do it.

      Ur…not that I have it much thought.

    2. Oh, Tony. First of all, people around here are not likely to judge you for slapping the meatstick around a little bit. As long as you’re not hurting someone else, who cares what you do with your free time? Second, we all know that you don’t have any friends.

      1. You leave Tony alone! We may have our differences, but a man asking for honest advice on pornography should be treated with respect.

        1. That’s it. Eventually, he’ll spend so much time watching porn that he won’t have time to comment.
          Plus, it’s just the right thing to do.

    3. Oculus/facebook has already said they will keep porn off of their “app store”, but the Rift is just a display, so there’s nothing preventing you from using the Rift for porn with some other website or software on your PC. Your playstation will be a little more locked down.

    4. You should probably call Steve at customer service

  22. I just came to see what Notorious would say. I am disappointed.

    1. I am a poor substitute moralist.

      1. He avoids porn because god. You avoid porn because……

        ….you’re storing up your man seed for nefarious purposes?

        1. He only drinks distilled water. POE

          1. That must be something so cool that I don’t even know about it yet.
            All I know about is pineapple juice.

        2. Mostly because I have impulse control problems (as will be noted by you and all others who’ve met me) and if I allow myself down that rabbit hole I’ll end up viewing with more frequency than I think is healthy for myself (or even generally). Porn both saps my libido to gain new conquests and interferes with my enjoyment and ability to climax during the deed.

          1. You mean, you deny porn your bodily essence?

          2. You know who else avoided things that sapped his desire to gain new conquests?

            1. Baelor the Blessed?

          3. Good for you Sudden. I have a big sex drive and like naked women as much as the next guy but porn does nothing for me. I may be the only straight guy in the world who has no use for porn.

            1. Yes, you are. NTTAWWT

  23. If I hadn’t read it, I wouldn’t have believed that it was real. What a hoot. These people railing against porn are real danger.

    1. How? Are they proposing legislation? I know there’s a vocal contingent of libertarians frustrated by the bans on child pornography (which is never going to be legal), but other than that how is porn in any way threatened? And baring that how are the dance to anything but left-wing non-judgmentalism, which admittedly is taking over libertarianism.

      1. You know this conference was held on Capitol Hill?!

        “…the problem is well beyond what individual parents and children can do to protect themselves.” Therefore, what happens next?

        And I am non-judgemental regarding any activity engaged in by consenting adults. If it aint hurting anybody, its non of your gods-damned business. But if you want to be a Puritan, be my guest. But don’t go to Congress and tell them things need to be done.

        And BTW: fuck you about the child porn reference.

        1. yea fu@& me not the Reason contributors who devoted multiple articles to defending John Grishams friend for a kiddie porn rap.

  24. Without porn my wife and I will only be left with the cultural enlightenment and raw tales of perseverance in the face of oppression like The L Word and Orange Is The New Black. What will we I do?

    Actually, now that I think about it. It would be good to have a break from new porn production and stroll through the massive stockpile of downloads together.

  25. No offense, but frankly I just don’t trust men who say they don’t watch porn, (or don’t whack it).
    Because you are either a liar, or your belief system is based on the idea that it is something evil which means that we have a real gap in what we consider to be evil.

    1. Some people just have shit libido, due to health reasons or hormones or whatever.

    2. I had a girlfriend long ago who was raised in a super-puritanical family. She was taught that masturbation was a sin. It didn’t take me long to change her mind on that. My God, after she discovered how all that really works she just couldn’t stop. I swear that girl went through a case of batteries per week.

  26. I’m surprised no one has commented on the first tweet yet.

    I wish I had erectile distinction. People would journey miles just to see such a distinguished erection!

    1. Enough with the pornigraphic content, phandaal.

  27. “Pornography is an intricate part of trafficking, from both the supply and demand side.” So not would they outlaw porn, but are they going to have masturbation police out now, too?

    1. masturbation police

      THIS IS MY NEW FETISH!

  28. NCSE & Porn Harms tweets:

    “Many males who watch porn are more likely to have erectile distinction with real women, but not with porn.”
    – Mary Anne Layden, Ph.D.

    “erectile distinction
    Does this mean that they are more finicky about whom they sleep with?
    Or is it simply a matter of holding one’s head higher?

    1. I think it means you have a harder time getting it up for ugly chicks.

      1. That’s why God invented light switches.

  29. Nolan Brown is a crafty one. The more libertarians giving themselves rub burns watching porn means fewer awkward guys in Batman tshirts trying to talk to her at libertarian events.

  30. The porn summit is downright SoCon-free. I’m kinda suprised it is all “Progs Against Porn”

    1. I spoke too soon. They are centrist but there is some SoCon contingent among the feminists and public health professionals.

      1. It was going to happen. Moral puritans eventually realize they can stop more people from having fun if they work as a team.

  31. This moral crusade is more radical and insane everyday. Allowing them to have a special audience with Congress is a form of domestic terrorism. I wonder what the current rate for a audience with Congress is. Maybe Congress should be enacting legislation to protect Americans from these religious rites.

  32. Never before have so many children and teenagers been exposed to such sexually violent content, which by default has served as their sex education.

    What are these people talking about?

    Sure, you can find ‘sexually violent’ content – if you go digging for it – but sexual violence is faaaaar from mainstream outside of Japan. Sexual violence is not big in the Western fantasy scene and kids aren’t rooting around for BDSM videos.

    Hyper-sexualized mainstream media and pornography are a social issue of concern to many parents and professionals.

    1. As the second sentence of that paragraph, this is simply a non sequitur. It has absolutely fuck all to do with the availability of ‘sexually violent’ content. Its simply trying (poorly) to conflate two seperate issues.

    2. And so what if parents and ‘professionals’ are concerned? SHOW ME THE MONEYHARM!

    *Real* sexual violence – not fantasy but real people being raped – is *down*. That decline is *strooooongly* correlated with the rise of the internet (and the consequent ready availability of pornography).

    The brain of porn addicts react to porn like the brain of cocaine addicts . . .

    Yeah, Ima go out on a limb here and say that *most* peoples brains will react to sexually stimulating input in a similar manner.

  33. “Pornigraphic content”

    What a great word!

    Pornygraphic.
    Hornygraphic.

    Sweet!

    1. “Pornigraphic content”

      RACIST!

  34. However, for many, repeated exposure and use is correlated to problematic attitudes and behaviors that can lead to sexual aggression and violence.

    That’s absurd. I used watch a lot of porn. Then, I got a girlfriend and now I watch slightly less porn. But I have never been aggressive. In fact, I am probably the least aggressive person I know.

  35. Unlike other types of addicts, whose brain activity increases in certain regions with exposure to the problematic stimuli, respondents who claimed porn addiction showed decreased activity in these brain regions when viewing the more erotic imagery. This means “these porn users do not look like any other addiction,” said Prause, and “by extension, this means it is not appropriate to call porn addicting from a scientific perspective.”

    That’s begging the question. They would have to prove that the “increased activity in certain regions” is a necessary consequence of addiction, which they haven’t done. It makes more sense to test something more central to the idea of addiction, like withdrawal symptoms or self-destructive behavior in pursuit of the stimuli.

  36. Hyper-sexualized.

    Every time I see that term I think….yeah, so what is the problem?

  37. OMG THOSE TWEETS. LOL

    They give the typical progressive feminist a run for their money in craziness.

  38. “Users-1.9M on cocaine, 2M on Heroin…40M on Internet Pornography.”

    Nice. This is presented as if it had some significance, being a statistic, made out of numbers and all. and with the unstated implication that pr0n must be a huge problem (HUGE!!!) because the number is so large. An equally rigorous formulation, with an equally valid (implied) conclusion would be “Weight of a canary, 3.5 ounces, 8 legs on an arachnid, EIGHTY MILLION CEREBRAL LOBES BEING POISONED BY INTERNET FILTH!!!”

    Well, when you put it like that

    Also,I have to defend the poor showing of American druggies here by asking that the number of US pot smokers be added to that of the cokeheads and junkies. Then you get almost the exact same made-up ‘crisis number’ as “porn users” and when you compare the actual group members, you get the simplest Venn diagram ever!

    Which would mean, I think, that porn’s bad, mmkay?

  39. Google pay 97$ per hour my last pay check was $8500 working 1o hours a week online. My younger brother friend has been averaging 12k for months now and he works about 22 hours a week. I cant believe how easy it was once I tried it out.
    This is wha- I do…… ?????? http://www.online-jobs9.com

  40. Google pay 97$ per hour my last pay check was $8500 working 1o hours a week online. My younger brother friend has been averaging 12k for months now and he works about 22 hours a week. I cant believe how easy it was once I tried it out.
    This is wha- I do…… ?????? http://www.online-jobs9.com

  41. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Pornographic_film_actor#Pay_rates

    (it won’t let me post that URL without the space in there for some reason; it says 50 characters is too long for a single word)

    It sounds like the average pay of female performers is pretty damn high – much higher than that of male performers.

    Why does this group want to destroy economic opportunities for women?

  42. Gawker? I wouldn’t touch that site with Crusty Juggler’s dick.

    On another note: I personally will stop looking at Gawker for my left wing derp. Mostly to see what the batshit super activist wing of the party though- getting news from all sources, shit to laugh at, etc.

    I guess I’ll have to make do with Salon. Pray for me.

  43. The more things change…

  44. You can’t fix stupid, and one thing this country has in abundance is stupid.

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