Lindsey Graham

Lindsey Graham: Hillary Clinton Would Tear Rand Paul Apart

The hawkish Republican still chooses Paul over Clinton

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South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, for now the latest Republican to enter the presidential race, appeared on CNN's The Lead with Jake Tapper to talk about a person under surveillance for terrorism being shot and killed during a confrontation with a Boston police officer and an FBI agent, and the passage of the USA Freedom Act, and how the "lone wolf" provision (which has never been used) is nevertheless necessary because of incidents like the one in Boston.

At the end of the segment, Tapper asked why, if foreign policy and terrorism were such important issues to Graham, he'd vote for Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) over Hillary Clinton, who Tapper called "rather hawkish" for a Democrat, and noted was far more closely aligned to Graham on those issues.

Graham's response:

Well I would vote for the nominee of my party because they've been able to prove fellow Republicans that their view of the world was right. That's not a dilemma I'm going to face. But Rand Paul and I actually agree on a lot of domestic issues, like saving Social Security and Medicare, but on foreign policy we're worlds apart. If he did get the nomination, I think she would be able to tear him apart because his view of foreign policy is one step behind leading from behind, and at the end of the day the average American sees radical Islam as a threat much greater than the NSA.

Graham is more cordial to Paul than Rep. Peter King (R-NY), who identified Rand Paul and NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden as on the same side as ISIS when it came to the expiration of a couple of provisions of the PATRIOT Act.

Rand Paul, of course, to the dismay of some anti-war libertarians who'd like him to be more like his anti-war libertarian father, Ron Paul, has acknowledged the threat of radical Islam, and the also the role of U.S. counter-terrorism and foreign policies that have contributed to an environment in which its adherents thrive.

And while Clinton leads all potential Republican nominees she is polled against, Paul comes closest, less than three points behind on average. Nearly a year and a half out from the election, there's probably still a considerable name recognition gap between Clinton and any Republican save for Jeb Bush, who polls an average of five points behind. And one recent poll showed Paul with an eight point lead over Clinton among independents.

Tapper also asked Graham about the argument that things like smoking and heart disease kill far more people than terrorism. "Heart disease and smoking is something you can change if you choose to," Graham said, while ISIS (the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria) "is not going to change unless somebody makes them." He called the group, and other terrorist groups, which he said controlled more land, weapons, and men then ever before "religious Nazis" that could not be "accommodated, appeased, or compromised with." Unlike Paul, Graham ignores the role of U.S. interventionism in making room for groups like ISIS. Graham also ignored the point of the smoking comparison—that it kills far, far more Americans than terrorism, and that many other things, preventable and otherwise, also do. "The threats from smoking are real, at the end of the day you have a chance to stop smoking," said Graham. "The only way you're gonna stop ISIL is for somebody to go over there in partnership with people in the region and kill these guys."

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97 responses to “Lindsey Graham: Hillary Clinton Would Tear Rand Paul Apart

  1. You know who else Hillary would tear apart?

    1. Somebody who asked for her autograph without donating to her campaign first?

    2. Her hard drives and servers?

    3. Cenobites?

    4. T-Rex!

    5. Huma Abedin, with a rubber-encased fist?

    6. Old one-balled Bubba’s last remaining ball?

    7. Rick’s wife and Carl’s mom?

    8. Carnivorous ear worms?

    9. Monica Lewinsky?

  2. So, he was too busy preening with Tapper to vote on the Freedom Act. What a pussy.

  3. Rand isn’t the most physically attractive guy, but, yeah, I’d tear that apart.

    1. Go on…

    2. He’s pretty up there in the looks department compared to his colleagues.

      1. *imagining Lindsey Graham and John McCain naked*

        sudder & vomit

        1. And Shrill and Pelosi are the stuff of nightmares.

      2. Look, Quasimodo is up there in the looks department compared to most Senators.

    3. I think he’s adorkable. And eminently fuckable.

  4. A Kodos vs Kang Clinton vs Graham matchup would be interesting only for the purpose of seeing if Graham could beat McGovern’s record.

    1. I’d be interested to see if they disagreed on anything.

  5. I live in SC and I don’t know how Graham keeps getting reelected. I work with plenty of conservatives and none of them can stand him. If somebody decent would primary him he’d be crushed because even those who voted for him as a lesser of two evils thing think he’s an embarrassment. If I remember correctly, he beat the only candidate he could beat last time-he ran unopposed.

  6. Hillary Clinton, who Tapper called “rather hawkish” for a Democrat

    Rather hawkish?

    1. Code for cut throat bitch.

    2. Paul, she’s a Democrat. Is is actually physically painful for much of the media to ever admit that Democrats are frequently just as retardedly hawkish as Republicans. This was all he could choke out without having a stroke.

  7. I find it doubtful Rand Paul gives a damn what you think, Lindsey.

    1. South Carolina should continue to be ashamed of itself that it keeps electing Lindsey Graham.

      1. He is one clown among many.

  8. I can see Shril going Donald Duck on Rand, but Rand seems calm enough to watch and smile.

  9. Sen Jim Inhofe R-OK on NSA reform: “We have one individual, Rand Paul, who is exploiting this for his own purposes”

    Inhofe on Rand Paul: “I’m more concerned about the safety of my 20 kids and grandkids than his political future”

    https://twitter.com/jamiedupree

    1. So, fuck freedom. Thanks a bunch.

      1. Every day I add to the list of people who deserve to be sent through a wood chipper.

        1. Ah, the chipper list, it’s starting to be more of tome.

          1. Gotta fit ’em in the bucket somehow!

    2. Tulpa, I didn’t realize you were such a Twitter fan. Who else do you follow?

      1. I’m the Buttplug and am far more interesting than Tulpa is.

        1. So is cancer.. it’s not much to be proud of…

        2. No, turd, you’re a one-trick pony and boring as hell.
          Fuck off.

        3. I remember your story about the Huns, their horses and lots of forced sex. But I wouldn’t call that interesting.

    3. Sen Jim Inhofe R-OK

      WHO?!!

      1. He’s your garden variety jackboot-licking Republican. Nobody significant.

        -jcr

  10. So… lets say there’s a worst case scenario, and Graham wins the nomination. The general election is Graham vs. Clinton. What do you do, besides cry?

    1. Why not vote Libertarian?

    2. Short of immigrating to Canada? I would drink. Heavily. Every day. And not water. Tequila.

    3. Pray they both die in embarrassing ways?

    4. Vote for Gary Johnson, bitch.

        1. Like I said yesterday, it must take a genius to be as dense as you are.

          Of course I’ll vote libertarian. But one of those two would be President, and that’s fucking depressing.

      1. The LP hasn’t nominated its 2016 POTUS candidate yet. Check in next year. Same bat channel.

    5. “What do you do, besides cry?”

      If there’s a Libertarian on the ballot, easy. If not, my fave candidate of all time is Nobody. I’ve voted for Nobody many, many times for many, many offices.

    6. The Libertarians should endorse Rand and put him on the Ballot under L. If he gets the R nomination they can withdraw. The Rs would have two choices. Nominate Paul and win, or not and lose. Fuck them all.

      I’m sure that’s against the rules.

    7. It’s still illegal to try to join ISIS, right?

      I’m just asking for a friend.

    8. I’d vote for Graham. He gave the right answer on the distinction between smoking & heart disease on one hand and a foreign enemy on the other. Clinton would think of such threats as comparable, & favor gov’t policies to protect people from the consequences of their own choices, or to keep them from making certain choices.

  11. I think a lot of the opposition in the Republican party to Paul is left over from his dad. They shouldn’t associate one with the other, but they do.

    Incidentally, a lot of the support for Bush is left over from his brother, too. They shouldn’t associate one with the other, but they do.

  12. The next time Lindsey Graham says something non-delusional will be the first.

  13. Graham is more cordial to Paul than Rep. Peter King (R-NY), who identified Rand Paul and NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden as on the same side as ISIS when it came to the expiration of a couple of provisions of the PATRIOT Act.

    Peter King, of course, being on the same side as the IRA, and all the odious groups like Qaddafi who supported the IRA.

  14. Notable squish and go-along-to-get-along Senator Graham is not in a good position to claim that somebody else would get torn apart by, well, anybody.

    Tell us, campaign tuff gai Graham, about all those times you bucked party and Senate leadership to Do the Right Thing.

    We’ll wait.

    1. Well, he knows the rules of the Senate. So he wouldn’t do that.

    2. I’m looking forward to seeing how Mrs. Clinton performs in the debates.

      Right now, she won’t even take questions from sympathetic journalists!

      1. That foxhole is damn deep and isn’t getting any shallower.

        1. How long can she keep that up?

          She may have died years ago. Maybe they’ve replaced with an animatronic puppet.

          She’ll be able to answer questions eventually, but they haven’t worked all the kinks out yet.

          Right now, when you ask her if Hubba Bubba’s been bumpin’ uglies with any new interns lately, her head starts spinning around and sparks come flying out of her ears.

          1. Ken Shultz|6.2.15 @ 7:28PM|#
            “How long can she keep that up?”

            Ken, it’s the damnedest thing I can remember. She’s on the hook for stuff that would get nearly anyone else an invitation to have a seat on the witness stand, and she just ducks for cover and gets away with it.
            If the hits keep on comin’, she might avoid answering questions until the damn election, and people would have to admit they were voting for a ventriloquist’s dummy.

            1. Ken, see Suthenboy, below:
              “ON the way home tonight I heard Mark Levin claim that tomorrow morning the Washington Post is going to headline with the Hildebeast and smoking gun evidence that she was selling public services for private gain while SOS.”

              That foxhole may not be deep enough.

      2. Smart money says “not well”.

  15. I forget: who or what does Lindsey Graham represent? Definitely not me.

    1. The slack jawed got a girl’s name wing?

    2. My understanding is that Lindsey Graham represents General Electric and Boeing.

      http://tinyurl.com/n9vfjbz

      1. Perhaps he could pray the Rand away…it’s almost worked for his gay.

      2. Shit, you’d think GE and Boeing could do a lot better for their money than that smirking sissy.

        -jcr

  16. Graham wants American boots on the ground, and the inevitable severed limbs and boots in the grave. Please explain our pressing need to fight ISIS in Syria and Iraq. Are they loading onto troop ships for an invasion of America? Are we in danger of being overrun by a few thousand primitives? Saddam’s Iraq was 100 times more powerful than ISIS. We don’t have the stomach to simply steal their oil and enslave their citizens and so we can’t profit. We can only lose as we have the past dozen years.

  17. Do you know what would be nice? 10,000 American soldiers in Iraq sandwiched in between hostile forces. That’s what a Lindsey Graham would give us! Huzzah!

  18. Nearly a year and a half out from the election

    Oh shit. I don’t think I have 18 months of this left in me. I think I need one of those vacations from political news everyone around here raves about.

  19. Rand Paul is the frontrunner. I’m genuinely not sure what that means. I don’t know what that silly old queen thinks he’s going to accomplish, but LG actually seems like he might be fun to party with.

    1. So this is one of Tony’s alter ego’s?

      I remember Tony telling us he was gay.

      This one’s homophobic.

      1. I have a soft spot in my heart for old queens. God willing I shall be one someday.

        1. Sooo.. you’re changing your name to Caitlyn?

  20. The guy looks like a ventrilloquist’s dummy, has the let-god-sort-em-out foreign policy, and makes women dry. Yeah, the Rs may nominate him.

    1. He looks like Jimmy Carter and a shaved Winnie the Pooh had a kid.

      1. You shaved your Winnie? You’re right, that would look like Graham.

  21. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    *grabs gut…takes deep breath*

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Fuck off Kermit, you deformed little Nazi.

  22. Graham reminds me a little of Lord Rust, from Pratchett’s books:

    “the gods’ gift to the enemy, any enemy, and a walking encouragement to desertion.”

  23. MIMSY!

  24. Interesting. ON the way home tonight I heard Mark Levin claim that tomorrow morning the Washington Post is going to headline with the Hildebeast and smoking gun evidence that she was selling public services for private gain while SOS. Bribery in return for assisting people to do business with Iran and circumvent the sanctions designed to thwart their nuclear program.

    Hear that? Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State was assisting people who were furthering Iran’s nuclear ambitions in return for payment to her personally. Our Secretary of State assisted an enemy of the United States in return for money.

    Nothing short of treason.

    1. And she’ll probably increase her lead in the polls. It’s her turn, you fool, and she has the lady bits. And phony scandal and WaPo is part of vast right wing conspiracy, and etc. etc.

    2. “Hear that? Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State was assisting people who were furthering Iran’s nuclear ambitions in return for payment to her personally.”

      I am not surprised that she would do so. I will be surprised if she hasn’t destroyed the evidence by now.

    3. When rightwing bullshit turns out to be bullshit, do you tally that up somewhere, or does it just dissipate into space, leaving room for the next morsel of hysterical bullshit?

      1. Tony|6.2.15 @ 11:11PM|#
        “When rightwing bullshit turns out to be bullshit, do you tally that up somewhere, or does it just dissipate into space, leaving room for the next morsel of hysterical bullshit?”

        When lefty lies turn out to be lies (‘fake scandal!’ ‘vast rightwing conspiracy!’ ‘you can keep your insurance!’) do you ever admit that you’re a lying piece of shit, or do you hope everyone forgets?
        Now, shitstain, I’ve cited three lefty lies. Got even ONE from the supposed right?

    4. While I have no doubt that Hillary would do such a thing, I’m highly skeptical that the WaPo would take her down. They love them some Democrat fascists over there.

      -jcr

  25. “Rep. Peter King (R-NY), who identified Rand Paul and NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden as on the same side as ISIS”

    Go fuck yourself Peter King. You’re nothing but a warmonger who promotes war like you fought it….. All while sitting behind a desk until 1974.

    I doubt you’ll be on the front lines, like you weren’t during the Vietnam war, and would have no problem sending us overseas on ships and on the ground to risk our lives.

    1. Can we arrange a delegation of families of IRA bombing victims to visit King’s office and beat the shit out of him?

      -jcr

  26. Graham thinks Hillary will scratch Paul’s eyes out, ironic since Paul is an eye surgeon.

  27. Sen Jim Inhofe R-OK on NSA reform: “We have one individual, Rand Paul, who is exploiting this for his own purposes”

    Inhofe on Rand Paul: “I’m more concerned about the safety of my 20 kids and grandkids than his political future”

    Hell yes Jim. Much better you send tens of thousands of our troops off to die in a nation-building-war where our military/industrial complex and YOU profit than even one of your precious “kids and grandkids” having to do it.

    Fuck you. I hope yours are the first to go when they hit the homeland next! I’ll be the one laughing at their funerals!

    1. Lions and tigers and EndtheGop oh my!!

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