That Time Your Visual Arts Professor Disrobed and Asked You to Peform a "Nude Gesture"
Via reader JC comes word of a University of California-San Diego visual arts prof who really wants his students to let it all hang out.
From the Guardian:
Ricardo Dominguez, who teaches a visual arts class at the University of California at San Diego, required the students to be naked for the final part of the course.
The professor also disrobed for the exam, which involved students participating in a "series of gestures", according to the local Fox 13 television channel.
The unconventional assessment came to light after the mother of one of the students complained about the nakedness.
Rest easy, though. The prof means nakedness in a metaphorical sense (though he seemed to be pretty literal in his own case).
Rodriguez said he had never received a complaint during his time teaching the class. He said the class took place in a darkened room, lit by candlelight.
"At the very end of the class, we've done several gestures, they have to [do a] nude gesture. The prompt is to speak about or do a gesture or create an installation that says: 'What is more you than you are,'" Dominguez said.
"If they are uncomfortable with this gesture they should not take the class," he added.
The department chair put it this way:
"There are many ways to perform nudity or nakedness – summoning art history conventions of the nude or laying bare of one's 'traumatic' or most fragile and vulnerable self. One can 'be' nude while being covered."
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"If they are uncomfortable with this gesture they should not take the class," he added.
Based on the quotes by the chair and prof, I'd say they shouldn't take the class because they won't learn anything useful.
You're thinking about this the wrong way. This sounds like the best "fuck you" to "triggering" I've ever heard.
I agree. Pity its over such a trivial subject.
I'm glad you said it, because I was entering this thread for the singular purpose of saying that.
No, this would be an obvious exception since it is "art".
You still can't mention Milton Friedman's name - that
would be triggering on so many levels.
Can you mention his name if you are naked?
Only if it's art.
the mother of one of the students complained about the nakedness.
If my daughter was taking the class with Steve Smith, I'd complain.
The craziness of this whole thing aside, why the fuck is a mother complaining here?
That's pretty much the only problem in this story.
I had a mother complain that their daughter didn't get hired for a job.
Because little Sally totally never would have agreed to be in a class with some nudity and also probably spends every Saturday doing homework while saying her catechisms and certainly doesn't go out with boys.
The last thing any of them saw was Warty's nude gesture.
Sadly, that is the last thing a lot of people all over the world have seen. Horrible thing to take to an early grave.
I knew quite a few in the art department when I was in school. As a STEM guy I found them to be weird, completely full of shit, but fun to hang around with. I don't find this to be all that surprising.
Yeah. My basic reaction was "Anyone who takes a course in 'visual arts' deserves any hippy dippy, new age claptrap they may be exposed to."
Oh my God Kathleen Parker is fucking useless.
I mean, I knew that already, I just think it desperately needs to be pointed out. Isn't this woman supposed to be a conservative? She's like the Platonic ideal of a RINO.
Pish posh, I'm just a bit more highbrow than you barbarous Danes!
She was actually shot at and Kathleen Parker feels the need to put 'victim' in scare quotes.
T Coddington Van Vorhees IV agrees with Parker.
Haven't bothered to read KP in years.
She always struck me as an elitist.
Pedant man checking in:
"Pish posh"
psst; it's "pish tosh"
And then I check and find it is either! Dog my cats!
So instead of starting with a to-be-sure sentence saying she disagrees with Geller, then taking up the rest of the column denouncing the would-be assassins, Parker does the reverse: A few to-be-sure sentences about how Geller has freedom of speech (just like the Klan!), but devoting most of the column to denouncing Geller.
Ooh, catty! And a bit of an unself-aware charge, coming from a columnist.
Government Choo Choo goes off the rails....
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s.....2-21-52-06
They'll be safer at 200MPH!
They're already blaming Republicans for this.
"[...]One can 'be' nude while being covered.""
"Up" can be "Down" to proggies, but that don't count.
BTW, check the home page title 'peform' isn't what you want.
I'm naked under my clothes. But then again I was always a radical.
These are grown adults. If he made it clear what the class entailed and they agreed to take it, then there is no reason whatsoever for anyone to be upset with him, particularly given that the girl didn't even lodge the complaint, the mom did after she found out about it.
If people know the class will involve nudity, then as grown adults there is nothing wrong with such a class existing. Unless we think 20 year olds should ask mommy's permission every time they're about to get naked, which could make collegiate one night stands a bit awkward.
As the father of a daughter, I say this is a brilliant idea!
It would certain cut down on campus rape.
Let's go back to the old definition of rape, which means "having sex without the girl's father's permission".
"Unless we think 20 year olds should ask mommy's permission every time they're about to get naked, which could make collegiate one night stands a bit awkward."
If mommy is paying for the nudie class, I can see it being a legitimate complaint. However, the complaint should be with her daughter for wasting the money, not the school, especially if there was advance warning about what the class entails.
"do a gesture ... that says: 'What is more you than you are.'"
Got your gesture right here.
It seems as if Herr Professor is a professional troll. He conducts DDoS attacks on websites he doesn't like and calls it performance art.
Want to learn about "Trans( )infinities," his latest course offering? It "will be imagined as an (empty set) of potential aesthetic practices that move between, through, across and beyond the post of the post-contemporary by transfixing on the loanwords," reads the course description.
No.
Sokal agrees.
That unethical bastard!
Here's a lecture he gave at the Center for Design and Geopolitics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCsPg_IcyH8
Sokal's "Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity" is well-reasoned and coherent by comparison.
"Sokal's "Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity" is well-reasoned and coherent by comparison."
Reason enough for me to avoid clicking on that link.
Isn't that the fake paper someone got accepted to a sociology journal?
I thought it was nonsense until I re-read it.
But see it is "beyond the POST of the post-contemporary"
Get it? That is some deep shit there. I think I will go
smoke a doobie and contemplate that all afternoon.
(the morning will be shot).
I'm really starting to like this guy now.
So, mattress guy with a computer?
Repeat:
"That Time Your Visual Arts Professor Disrobed and Asked You to Peform a "Nude Gesture""
Nick,
See that "Peform" in there? It isn't a word; unlike other screw-ups, you can't blame your spell-checker.
Hey, don't try any of your preversions in there!
Well, I prever on a regular basis, but only in pirvate!
'You must be naked in order to pass my class'
'It's still physically possible for you to pass my class'
Has there ever been a controversy like this at a *community* college or the Continuing Education department?
Yes.
Is this it? Is this the end?
http://nickcohen.net/2015/03/2.....-children/
So , it's bad when professors teach Ovid, because that's rape-triggering, but nudity is fine?
Personally, I think both of these things should be allowed.
It's a fucking art class. People pose nude in art class. It's traditional.
I do hope that anyone who is triggered by nudity avoids taking this class. So all the fun people without hangups can get on with it.
I'm always naked under my clothes.
To be fair, it's part time summer work. Still, the girl is going to college in the fall. She's 18. At some point, don't you have to cut the cord?
Well not part time in the sense of it being only half a day, but part time in the sense that it is seasonal limited duration work.
Oh yeah for sure. I'm 26. Even when I was a kid (6 in 1995, 11 in 2000, 16 in 2005) I ran around loose, rode my bike all over town, did all kinds of stupid shit. The kids I see nowadays (I work with kids, so I do have some statistically significant observations) are absolutely more sheltered and less independent than they were in my youth.
Hell, I borrowed 40 bucks from my Dad the summer after 5th grade and filled my old red wagon with car cleaning supplies. He gave me a week to pay him back, and yes he charged interest. I paid him 50 dollars a week later, and I pulled that wagon all over the neighborhood and banked enough money to buy all kinds of stuff I wanted.
Jezzy would like a word with you...
You know it's funny, because my Dad did a lot of shit like that, from a very early age. If I broke or lost a toy, it was on me. If I wanted a new one, I had to replace it or wait for my birthday or Xmas. Where it was one of my presents, not considered a free replacement that I got in addition to my presents they would have gotten me anyway. When we went to buy shoes or clothes, I had a budget. If I wanted to pay extra for an alligator or polo player on my shirt, I could.
My first car cost 1200 dollars, and I had to have a third of that in cash, and I paid another third to him in installments, again with interest. He paid the other third as my 17th birthday gift. He showed me the car insurance bill from before I started driving, and the one from after, and I paid the difference. Except I couldn't afford it, so I worked out a deal where I did all the gassing up and handled the oil changes and cleaning of the three cars the family owned in exchange for him paying half of my car insurance costs. I asked for a cell phone when I was 15 and he said "Sure, grab your checkbook." I didn't have enough money, so it was my Christmas present that year. But I paid him my share of the bill every month, on time.
When I tell people things like this, they act like I was deprived, or like my parents were some kind of terrible strict monsters. Says a lot about the state of the country, and of my generation in particular.
Well, of course. Everyone knows the best way to learn fiscal responsibility is to be given everything one wants on a whim.
I paid $1750 in cash for my first car at 16 - earned by doing lawn work and babysitting. Why did I have the cash?
When I was entering 7th grade my dad let me buy a minibike. But I only had $42 and it cost $250. I spent the entire summer not being able to ride my new minibike because he'd remind me of the note he held. "Payable on demand", just like a real loan. Interest and everything.
I didn't borrow another dime until I bought a new car 15 years later. And I had the cash on hand, I just took advantage of promotional rates to keep the cash in the market. Thanks dad!
You know, the thing is, he didn't do it for the right reasons. He was and is a drunk, and a mean one, who lost a really good job when I was 8 and spent the next decade or so willingly underemployed. The reason he did a lot of that kind of stuff with my money was that he just didn't want to spend his money on me. It wasn't like he had plenty and wanted me to learn fiscal responsibility. He couldn't have bought me a new car, even if he was inclined to.
So it's a really interesting example of how good intentions don't necessarily lead to good results, and how someone can have ignoble motivations and still lead to positive development.
The cliches are mainly true. Firm handshake, clear communication abilities, and a good work ethic. Someone who won't look me in the eye in an interview is the kind of person who comes up with ever more imaginative diseases to suffer from as they call out sick every Friday.
I have coworkers buying their 20-something kids new cars and bringing them back home for special psych evals to determine their "disabilities" (turns out he needed to eat more boiled food--I shit you not) when they flunk out of their first semester away from home. It's truly depressing.
"[...]and bringing them back home for special psych evals to determine their "disabilities"[...]"
Oh, for pete's sake!
20-something, mommy and daddy should be long gone, pal. If you're still sucking teat, you deserve what you get.
See, oh, Tony; a pathetic excuse for a moral agent.