Charlie Hebdo Massacre

Arson Attack on German Newspaper That Reprinted Charlie Hebdo Cartoons

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The Hamburger Morgenpost, which reprinted some of the Charlie Hebdo cartoons that paper was targeted for by terrorists, was itself targeted by arsonists. Deutsche Welle reports:

Police said "rocks and then a burning object" were thrown through rear court-yard windows into archive rooms of Hamburg's daily newspaper, the Hamburger Morgenpost around 0200 a.m. local time (0100 UTC).

Two people seen acting suspiciously in the area had been taken into custody, as authorities investigated further, police added, refusing to give more information about those detained.

The investigation had been handed to Hamburg city state's police and intelligence authorities.

German police, rightly, say it's too early to tell if the arson is related to the paper reprinting the Charlie Hebdo cartoons but that that was the "key question" investigators are targeting. 

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  1. Calling it now: Just a case of workplace violence, nothing to see here, move it along, people.

    1. Religion of Peace, just a few bad apples…

    2. Prompted by a youtube video I’ll bet

  2. We can’t talk about this unless we also talk about the Muslim victims of arson and imperial aggression.

    Signed

    Sheldon Richman.

    1. I’d love for that dumb fuck to explain exactly how Bin Laden was a victim of western imperialism.

      1. We despoiled the holy litter box that is Saudi Arabia with our mere presence – then insulted his family by giving them millions of dollars.

      2. He was forced to grow up in the home of a millionaire crony of the Saudi Royal family. It is really unsurprising that the American left would find it easy to empathize with Bin Ladin. If there is one thing they understand, it is unearned privilege and self loathing.

      3. Sounds just like Richman, doesn’t it.

      4. It was about his people. His people were rich, yet he was a poor man. He was a river to his people!

        1. +1 “I carry twenty-three great wounds, all got in battle. Seventy-five men have I killed with my own hands in battle. I scatter, I burn my enemies’ tents. I take away their flocks and herds. The Turks pay me a golden treasure, yet I am poor! Because *I* am a river to my people!”

  3. This Islam as a faith intrigues me and recent events have enticed me into looking into following it.

    Also:

    You know who else…

    1. I am pretty sure its not to keen on gay marriage. So be warned.

    2. …torched newspaper offices?

    3. …touched themselves?

      1. Mohammed?

        1. Yeah, we needed a link to that.

        2. Chrissy Amphlett died of breast cancer last year. What a shame. She had trashy sexy down to an art.

          1. Almost 2 year ago. Time flies.

  4. That’s it, I’m gonna name my next illegitimate child Charlie H.

  5. Sorta OT, but not really, and it’s all over drudge, so no real effort on my part, but you’re welcome:
    Reach for your wallet or your freedoms or both

    1. Obama understands that the real threat is the Tea Party. Clearly, the rational response to a bunch of Muslim fanatics murdering 12 people in Paris is to put Ron Paul and Sarah Palin on a watch list.

      1. If that’s the case, Obama is wasting his energies. The Tea Party is tapped out.

        1. Palin had a 90% success rate in the candidates she endorsed. The Tea Party is the conservative base of the GOP. They are of course hated by all right thinking people. but without them the GOP would be a rump party of a few suburban Northeastern RINOs, basically Peter King and Chris Christie.

          1. As a force for limited government, it’s tapped out. I really don’t care about Palin, her preferences are not relevant to the cause of limited government. Aside from the awesome dethroning of Eric Cantor, the Tea Party had few victories and many defeats last year. The movement has lost its pro-liberty focus and energy.

            1. You don’t like them. Good for you. But that doesn’t change how many people they represent or how indispensable they are to the GOP.

              You don’t care about Sarah Palin. Of course you don’t. Only dumb hillbillies care about her. The fact remains that the GOP has no chance of winning in 2016 or even remaining as a viable national party without the support of those millions of said dumb hillbillies.

              1. I love it when you strip naked and wrap yourself in the flag and scream at everyone for how ‘elitist’ they are.

                1. I am just a dumb hillbilly Gilmore. Didn’t you know that? I am not one of those smart erudite people at Reason like Sheldon Richman or Dave Weigel.

                  I just try to fit in and rise above my inferior status.

            2. The movement has lost its pro-liberty focus and energy.

              That happened when the Socon Palin hijacked the movement. I was a strong Tea Party supporter when it was about small government, economic liberty and adherence to the constitution.

              When Palin took over and started spouting her mysticism is when I bailed.

        2. Because Obama’s gang of thugs at the I.R.S. squashed it.

          1. That had a lot to do with it, yes. But contra Cytotoxic, they aren’t gone. The 2014 elections proved that.

    2. Is it cynical to suspect that the extremists will include enemies of gun control and/or climate deniers?

      1. Don’t forget opponents of gay marriage.

  6. Now, now. Let’s not overreact and cause even more blow back….

  7. How many of these until European countries start to reexamine the right to self defense?

    1. I expect them to move the other direction and curb speech, first.

    2. And armed and dangerous populace would go some ways towards at least limiting the damage these idiots do. It wouldn’t totally prevent them from attacking since they don’t care if they die and thus can’t be deterred. But had people at those places been armed, a lot fewer people would have died.

      Someone on the other thread said these cases are about the government’s failure to protect their citizens. And that is exactly right. If European governments continue to fail at that, their citizens will arm and take to defending themselves. When that happens, things will get very ugly very quickly.

      1. It wouldn’t totally prevent them from attacking since they don’t care if they die and thus can’t be deterred.

        IDK, they may be suicidal, but I can’t believe they’re ineffectively stupid. Shoot one dead in an *attempted* firebombing of an archives office and you won’t have to shoot the next one.

        I think even the most adament would have trouble finding where the Koran guarantees them 70 virgins for failing to destroy the extra backup copies of satirical cartoons.

      2. Unfortunately, France alone has about 750 neighborhoods that are “no-go zones,” basically ruled by Sharia law. What happens in the rest of the country is pretty irrelevant if those stay as they are.

        They may need to do something drastic, like cut off welfare and offer free one-way tickets to the Muslim country of your choice. But of course many of them are citizens, so that’s hugely problematic.

        Ah, the joys of mass Third World immigration and multiculturalism!

        1. And the immigrant population is growing while the native population growth is below replacement level.

        2. Yes, god forbid they live as they choose, where they choose.

          The.

          Horror.

          Papaya, do you think we should deport all the Christians after a Christian bombs an abortion clinic?

          BUT THEY’RE DIFFERENT! *clutches pearls tightly*

          1. I know franc, Christians bomb abortion clinics, every day! Also, they have widespread Christian support!

            1. So what you’re saying is, you don’t want to hold an entire population of people responsible for the actions of a few of their members when they are Christian, but you have no problem doing so to the Muslims.

              Which, I think, was my point. Thanks for the help.

              1. No, what I am saying is, the two religion/cultures are not the same. For whatever reason, “mainstream ” Islam, doesn’t mind a bit of “rambunctiousness”

                And, you’re welcome!

          2. That is stupid. Eric Rudolph was the last guy to do that and it was 20 years ago and he is an atheist. Is there any lie you wont tell yourself if it fits your screwy prejudices?

                1. Wow, that looks like about one incident a year over the last 15 years, with a total of one death. In other words, a slow day in the world of Islamic terrorism. And as was said above: what’s the percentage of Christian support for this sort of thing? 1%? Support for Muslim terrorism is more like 10-80%, depending on the country and the exact question.

                  Sorry, Francisco, not nearly equivalent.

                  1. Also, Francisco: where in the Bible does it say that Christians are destined to take over the world, by force if needed? Where does it say the penalty for apostasy is death? Where does it say the penalty for mocking Jesus is death?

                    1. Who fucking cares? IMO, anyone believing in a flying spaghetti monster is completely irrational. Your spaghetti monster vs theirs? Really? You’re going to pit your non-existent supernatural being against their non-existent supernatural being as an argument?

                      I will, however, defend, to the death, both your rights to be completely irrational, provided you do not harm or force your beliefs upon others.

                      SO

                      I condemn the Muslim/Christian who kills people because of their fucked up beliefs. I do NOT condemn those with fucked up beliefs who are peaceful.

                  2. What does the number of deaths OR the support have to do with anything?

                    What I am asking you is how do you justify holding people who didn’t commit any crimes accountable for the actions of those who did? Jesus Christ on the fucking cross, what the fuck is the matter with you?

                    If I kill your kid, do you hold my wife accountable because we live in the same house? This is not an act of war. It’s the actions of a couple of nutjobs.

                    1. What does the number of deaths OR the support have to do with anything?

                      It has to do with the fact that those urging this aren’t viewing it as a punishment but as a means of protection from a threat. And widespread support would be indicative of a more pronounced threat than widespread condemnation.

          3. I oppose the idea of mass deportation, but that’s just a silly argument. There’s a distinction between widespread condemnation and widespread support.

      3. It’s not government’s job to protect its citizens. It’s government’s job to protect the rights of its citizens.

        If European governments continue to fail at that, their citizens will arm and take to defending themselves. When that happens, things will get very ugly very quickly.

        Wha?

        1. Its called mob violence you half wit. It never ends well for anyone. Do you ever read any history other about Christan abortion clinic bombers?

          1. It’s called the right to self defense. What are you Tony now? You think people shouldn’t have the right, means or ability to defend themselves?

            For the love of god, do you have any principles at all? Is their no belief your not willing to betray to win an argument? You think citizens defending their own rights is a bad thing?

            YOU
            HAVE
            GONE
            BATSHIT
            CRAZY

            You are worse than Mary.

            Take your meds John.

    3. How many of these until European countries start to reexamine the right to self defense?

      Infinity.

  8. I have an idea: Get Gilbert Gottfried to read the Koran

    http://tinyurl.com/qao52v4

    1. How many times is the clitoris mentioned in the Koran?

      1. They cut those parts out.

        1. +1

  9. Some angry Moors probably did this, but it could also have been leftists.

    1. I’m sorry. The card says “Moops”.

  10. I am pretty scared that Europe’s political dichotomy between leftists that demand restrictions on speech and guns and ugly nationalists that demand restrictions on immigration and the freedoms of immigrants already in Europe will intensify. There’s just not enough liberals to offer a real choice.

    1. The former means appeasement and more Muslim violence. At some point that ceases to be an option and people will have no choice but to support the right.

      And there is no way to stop this without restrictions on immigration and giving Muslims living in Europe a choice of either turning over the radicals in their midst or being deported or killed along with them. It is nasty work for sure. But that is the only way fight terrorism.

      1. And there is no way to stop this without restrictions on immigration

        There already are tons of restrictions on Muslim immigration and on things like getting citizenship. Indeed, your nativist ideas have been implemented and alongside social democratic economic dysfunction have made Muslims of France more receptive to evil ideas. These restrictions that prevent Muslims from assimilating contributed to the Hebdo massacre.

        Calgary has plenty of Muslims and no problems. Indeed Canada and America have tons of Muslims and almost no problems. We don’t have to resort to giving Muslims an arbitrary ultimatum that saddles them with a responsibility to turn people over for whom they have no responsibility. The only reason you propose such a notion is because you lust for some hot government-force-on-dirty-moor action. Lots of conservatives seem to have repressed violent fantasies that they want others to carry out.

        1. We don’t have problems with Muslims because they are not 7% of our population and they haven’t been radicalized.

          We don’t have to resort to giving Muslims an arbitrary ultimatum that saddles them with a responsibility to turn people over for whom they have no responsibility.

          If you are letting them hide in your community, you most certainly do bear responsibility. That sucks but that is the situation that the radicals create by using everyone else as human shields.

          You kill me, you rant and rave about how the Tea Party is some evil force against liberty and then two threads down talk about open immigration to Muslims is the way to freedom, as if every Muslim country being an authoritarian shit hole is by accident or something and not because the people who live in those places prefer it that way.

          1. You kill me, you rant and rave about how the Tea Party is some evil force against liberty and then two threads down talk about open immigration to Muslims is the way to freedom, as if every Muslim country being an authoritarian shit hole is by accident or something and not because the people who live in those places prefer it that way.

            Yeah, our pal Cytotoxic isn’t always terribly consistent.

        2. The only reason you propose such a notion is because you lust for some hot government-force-on-dirty-moor action. Lots of conservatives seem to have repressed violent fantasies that they want others to carry out.

          You know who else had violent fantasies they wanted to see others carry out?

          1. Readers of Fifty Shades of Gray?

            1. Listeners of Fifty Shades of Gray?

                1. IT’S ALWAYS HITLER!

                  *foams at mouth*

            2. I was going to make an entry, but you sort of won and closed it down with this one.

          2. Francis the talking mule?

          3. George Lucas?

        3. The only reason you propose such a notion is because you lust for some hot government-force-on-dirty-moor action. Lots of conservatives seem to have repressed violent fantasies that they want others to carry out.

          This from the guy who routinely makes me look like a peacenik on the Iran and Afghanistan threads.

          1. It is kind of hilarious that the massive widespread slaughter of Muslims in the Middle East is okay with Cytotoxic, but the instant they move into Sweden he becomes the greatest supporter of their rights.

            If the exact same Muslim was still living in Pakistan, Cyto would be arguing that blowing him up in a drone strike is acceptable collateral damage, but if he’s in France we mustn’t overreact.

        4. If “nativist ideas had been implemented” France would not be in this situation. Duh.

        5. Calgary has plenty of Muslims and no problems. Indeed Canada and America have tons of Muslims and almost no problems.

          Canada has had several large rallies in which Muslims marched in honor of Ayatollah Khomeini. And in America Muslims only make up about 2% of our population and are widely dispersed throughout the country. This means the integrate better because you don’t have massive Islamic ghettos in which 80% of the population are first or second generation immigrants from Iraq.

          Malmo, Sweden’s experience says that it’s probably a bad idea to have unmitigated Islamic immigration to one city since it results in a deeply impoverished hot bed of radicalism and crime.

          Europe absolutely should limit their immigration from Muslim countries. Too high a percentage of those immigrants and their children are going to be radicals.

          1. Europe absolutely should limit their immigration from Muslim countries. Too high a percentage of those immigrants and their children are going to be radicals.

            I don’t disagree, but the fact remains that Europe in general treats their immigrants – and the sons and daughters thereof – like shit in a way that is unknown in the US.

      2. And there is no way to stop this without restrictions on immigration and giving Muslims living in Europe a choice of either turning over the radicals in their midst or being deported or killed along with them. It is nasty work for sure. But that is the only way fight terrorism.

        In which John comes out in favor of outright genocide.

        1. I’m pretty sure he wasn’t outright calling for genocide, but was inferring (based on Europe’s rather ‘fun’ history of religious conflict) that mass retaliation on all Muslims will be an inevitability if behaviour like this continues.

          1. The other day he said ‘would anyone other than a self-hating retard like Glenn Greenwald care if the French squashed their Muslim population?’

            Given his rhetoric on that subject the last few days, I’m not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

            1. WELL YOU ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU THINK HE’S A HILLBILLY YOU SARAH PALIN-HATING ELITIST

            2. Fair enough, I missed that statement.

        2. I am not calling for anything. But if this continues that is whatwill happen because what other choice will there be?

          This is another example will people are not like libertarians. Most Libertarians will choose death over acting against their principles and thus don’t stand a chance against a ruthless enemy. Other people choose life over principles.

          1. NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN IDEOLOGICAL CONSISTENCY

    1. Could I get a recap? I can’t watch youtube at work.

      *sad face*

      1. The Occupy crowd have a concept called “progressive stacking” This means that women, minorities, gay people, etc get to speak before white, straight men and in greater numbers.

        One guy in the video spoke against this by saying they were all marginalized anyway, so why bother with it? He was chided to check his privilege.

        1. “Check your privilege” is the hip new way of saying “Shut up, my opinion counts and yours does not.”

        2. So, they’re basically telling me to get to the back of the bus, or else?

    2. (paraphrasing) “If you are member of an oppressed minority, we are going to move you up the list to speak.”

      Translation: If you are this, that or the other race, sex, gender, etc., we are going to determine your speaking position by judging you by your race, sex, gender, etc.

      There is definitely nothing racist, sexist, or genderist about that…

      1. It’s how true equality works! /derp

    3. In the Oppression Olympics, your level of Oppression determines what seed you are in the final tournament to determine the master race/class of the Oppressed.

      1. In the game of grief, you whine or you die.

    4. Good God, this Laurie Penny article on Occupy Wall Street is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read, even by her standards.

      I believe that what we are seeing here is the beginnings of a substantive change not just to the nature of modern politics, but to the way in which it is done, demanded and delivered, a change shaped by network technology just as the printing press changed politics six centuries ago.

      It baffles the hell out of the press, and not even those who have been involved deeply from the start pretend to be able to see the end game, but one thing’s for sure — it would be a grave mistake to write off this unique movement before it has really begun.

      Occupy Wall Street: As historically important as the Gutenberg Bible.

      1. Everything millenials do is a *game changer*

        This is why they need to be constantly polled.

  11. Libertarians are marginalized by rightists and leftists who have more power, so they should get “bumped up the progressive stack.” Yea!

    1. Too many cisgendered white males among libertarians for that, I’m afraid.

      1. Yeah. It’s not really about political marginalization, it’s about ethnic empowerment. I can imagine a call for congressional redistricting to cut the states into ethnic areas and assign seats in the house of representatives according to the progressive stack.

  12. An art film which mixes porn and Islamic images was shown in Sweden. Guess how long it took for the Muslims to go nuts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0sRmpvdIIk

    1. Cytoxic assures me that only happened because Sweden doesn’t have open enough borders. If they would just let more Muslims in, the Muslims would stop doing this.

      1. So much denial. See if you can pick out the word they are trying desperately not to say:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6k9P7L3tYk

        1. They are traumatized men and culturally related acts as we see it.

          Oh, it’s because they are traumatized! Who wouldn’t have expected an immigrant from a traumatized country to brutally rape women?!

          1. Hitler?

            Is the answer Hitler?

    2. It’s interesting that those who thought the film to be pornographic demanded that they “stop the film” rather than merely taking their own ass out of the theater. This seems common: muslims demanding that the western world change to meet their standards instead of them ignoring the lifestyles that upset their stifled sensitivities. They could also leave Sweden, France, and other countries where modern human rights give them so much grief.

      1. But according to leftists and bone-headed libertarians, people have the right to live anywhere they want. And according to leftists, being offended is something all oppressed people should be protected from. (Non-oppressed people don’t count.)

    3. You want to know what annoys the hell out of me? The fact that Muslims are graded on a curve. I’m sure all the people in that room are the legendary ‘moderate Muslims’ who we must make sure not to offend during our arguments against the radicals.

      The truth of the matter is, the average Imam in the west is advocating things that would get a Christian deemed a ‘radical.’ Jerry Falwell was considered a radical fundamentalist Christian, but he would have been right in the middle of the bell curve if he were an adherent of Islam.

      So a Muslim can vehemently agitate against gay marriage with language that would get a Christian decried as a vile reactionary, and yet be considered a moderate because he opposes decapitations and suicide bombings.

      Isn’t it a bit racist to assume that Arabic Muslims are ‘moderates’ when they behave in ways that would get any Christian decried as a hate preacher?

      1. ” a Muslim can vehemently agitate against gay marriage with language that would get a Christian decried as a vile reactionary, and yet be considered a moderate because he opposes decapitations and suicide bombings.”

        This is a point i’ve never really heard before.

        Which i guess is not surprising… *Librul-dominated (grr!) media and all.

        I do think its funny that your average yungun who pearl-clutches over ‘islamophibia’ will have no problem ranting about the “hate crimes” perpetrated by the Religious Right in the US, yet endlessly apologize for muslims who actually believe people should be *put to death* for things merely ‘opposed’ by the Bible-Beaters.

  13. So, islamic extremists are taking the “Kill it with Fire!” approach?

    I thought Catholic Crusaders were the only ones allowed to burn people for their beliefs?

    1. The proper means of dealing with the Infidel is beheading, but circumstances sometimes prevent the ideal solution.

  14. Long, but the best treatment of Europe’s Muslim problem:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR7REARFFpQ

  15. They should really put the “Mohammed-Cartoon Factory” out in the middle of a minefield and let the jihadis climb over each other’s bodies in effort to be the first one to redeem the honor of the prophet

    1. I saw a documentary once about these super aggressive ants that attack anything they see.

      One guy puts a greased jar near the nest and an ant immediately goes to it, falls inside and then releases panic pheromones. Pretty soon the whole colony was trapped in the jar.

      Hilarious!

  16. Dallas just got burned down with a bad call. How is NFL officiating getting worse with instant replay?

    1. The call on Dallas wasn’t bad. The first half call, where Cobb’s catch literally bounced into his arms, was a bad call.

    2. Lance Easley says it’s not getting worse.

    3. I think some would call this poetic justice. In any event, that’s the rule and they called it correctly.

      Shitty but dems da rule.

  17. Feuerbomben machen frei.

    1. *translation*

      Ted S. is gay.

  18. INT. Poorly lit auditorium filled with orphans, a monkey, academics and politicians.

    Wearing a ragged t-shirt of Musical Youth, Rufus steps up to mic nervously shuffling index cards and taps mic. Loud feedback. Monkey freaks out. Rufus laughs at monkey. Regains serious, pseudo-thoughtful posture.

    Rufus: “Europe is fucked. Thank you.”

    Drops mic in homage to Michael Corleone after his hit on Sollozzo and McCluskey.

  19. OT: Four would-be robbers become punch line by attempting to strongarm a gun store in KC.

    Three of them left with gunshot wounds. Unfortunately, the owner was fatally shot.

    I always recall the old saying “you never hear of anyone robbing a gun store, do you?” And here’s why. Regardless, it was a sad day for us in KC.

    1. That is sad. Raise a glass to the bravery of
      Jon and Becky Bieker.

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