Open Thread: Tonight's Episode of The Independents!

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Tonight on Fox Business Network's The Independents: There is so much happening!

Timothy Sandefur goes over the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby decision!

Panel guests John Tierney and Deroy Murdock discuss Edward Snowden, Obama's nomination for head of the Veterans Administration, executive action on immigration, and people named Clinton saying "legalize weed."

KT McFarland talks the latest on the mess in Iraq. 

Plus! The topical storm! Special guest cohost Michael Moynihan! Filling in for Matt Welch! And more! 

Airs again at midnight, so if you missed it the first time (like I did with this open thread), it's not too late! 

Comments

[Fist of Etiquette]

ARE YOU SHITTING ME?

[antisocial-ist]

WTF.

[antisocial-ist]

Now we can have 2 half assed threads with no real dialogue.

[Dweebston]

Dialogues is for pussies and women's studies majors. But I repeat myself.

[antisocial-ist]

What about Quentin Tarantino films?

[juris imprudent]

Dweebston is a Sly Stallone movie fan I take it.

[Dweebston]

If your sentences aren't punctuated with a minigun, I don't want to hear them.

[Almanian!]

*kisses Dweebston on the mouth*

[Dweebston]

Gimme some sugar, baby.

[Fist of Etiquette]

First Wichita and now Florida. I guess if you're not DC, NYC or LA, you're a crazy hick to the Independents.

[John]

Pretty much.

[antisocial-ist]

In fairness, I'm not in any of those places and I am a crazy hick.

[Dweebston]

Is Albuquerque hicksville? I h'aint traveled much, being mostly impoverished bottomfeeding scum and all, but I never regarded urban New Mexico as hillbilly turf. Chicano gangbanger territory bordering sprawling suburbs of coastal socialite transplants and dense pockets of emphatically middle class labs employees, but never hillbilly.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Short answer, yes. Long answer, yesssssssssssssssss.

[Dweebston]

+1 Yahtzee

[The Bearded Hobbit]

"There is no culture south of The Downs"

-- popular bumper sticker in Santa Fe in the 1980's.

... Hobbit

[Antilles]

Watching it now. Good stuff, as always!

Btw, soccer still sucks and its fans are imbeciles. Bring it on, haters!

[juris imprudent]

I'm sure you and Ann will be very happy together.

[Antilles]

Sweet! Although I disagree with her on many issues and consider her something of a troll, I still think she's pretty sexy and would totally do her.

[juris imprudent]

I'd never fuck a woman with an Adam's apple.

She is intelligent, she is just too much an attention whore.

[Almanian!]

GOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!

[Antilles]

Never noticed an Adam's apple--are you serious, or is that just a jibe?

At the ripe age of 50 I've come to realize I'm attracted to women who have masculine facial features, but I also love soft bodies, breasts and natural pussies. So, I don't think I'm gay--NTTAWWT. Lol.

[Libertymike]

At the ripe age of 51, I've come to realize I'm attracted to women who have feminine facial features (preferably with blue or green eyes, though eye color is not a prerequisite) but who have hard bodies and small tits and natural pussies.

[Antilles]

OK. To each his own! I've always been a firm believer that people have the right to be attracted to and be allowed to love whoever strikes their fancy--regardless of gender, race of familial relationship. I think we Libertarians can all agree with that sentiment. Rock on, brother!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Yeah, Moynihan's been to the beach.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

OK, who transferred to this thread, and who's back on the other one?

[John]

http://www.bloombergview.com/a.....communists

Libertarians are just like Communists. I am telling you, these assholes are starting to get terrified.

[Antilles]

Personally, I love being a Libertarian. I figure anyone who is SO hated by both Democrats and Republicans can't be all bad...

[Duke]

There is literally not one coherent thought nor one cogent argument in that article. I couldn't even follow the train of thought either. I can only imagine them writing it with bed wetting, pants-shitting breathlessness over the thought that people might one day become free of the hive.

[John]

The entire argument seemed to boil down to "libertarians are just like communists because they both have views that are outside of the mainstream that we think would be bad if implemented".

The left has hit full on intellectual closure. They have their heads so far up their own asses they have lost the ability to make a rational argument.

[Dweebston]

I'm convinced that's not accidental. Their big-tent, adopt-every-grievance appeal has made their party crass, cowardly, and sclerotic. Any novel conception of a citizenry not confined by stringent PC policing and an army of regulation-writing bureaucrats is rejected immediately with their typical sneering moral condescension. They're laced up tight in the trappings of social stultification not seen since the Victorian age, and running ragged huffing down the necks of every new villain of the week. And they're stretched so thin fighting so many little turf wars.

[Paul.]

But what do you really think of progressives?

[Dweebston]

We swap recipes and architectural oddities on pintrest all they time.

[Antilles]

Yes, it was total babel and pretzel logic. Why do the right and left fear Libertarians so much? Is it because that most people are basically Libertarian (when asked non-partisan questions about basic rights, freedom and liberty)? I suspect so...

[Robert]

The article reflects the general American antipathy to ideology. Most see principles as bad things to follow, but good as tendencies at opposite poles to balance against each other.

[Antilles]

Isn't that sorta Libertarian? Lol.

[Beautiful Bean Footage]

+0 points, and may God have mercy on their souls.

[Lady Bertrum]

That article's from 2013.

[Duke]

This is still 2013 isn't it?

[juris imprudent]

February 2nd to be precise.

[John]

I didn't realize that. But it is only nine months old. Not that old.

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, liberty is a core American value, and an overweening state can be unhealthy. And there are plenty of self-described libertarians who have adopted the label mainly because they support same-sex marriage or decry government surveillance. These social libertarians aren't the problem. It is the nihilist anti-state libertarians of the Koch-Cruz-Norquist-Paul (Ron and Rand alike) school who should worry us.

As long as you're against that stuff I'm against, you're one of the "good" libertarians. However, if you want to limit the power of the state to pick economic winners and losers, you are a "radical libertarian", which is no better than Communism.

The stupid...it burns.

[Libertymike]

Like acid or dioxin.

[Pathogen]

Can't it be both?

[Irish]

I wish someone at Reason would write about that article.

[Pathogen]

"Where communism was adopted, the result was misery, poverty and tyranny. If extremist libertarians ever translated their beliefs into policy, it would lead to the same kinds of catastrophe."

Yeah, because every single god dammed time those extremist libertarians (who ever the fuck they are) got their hands on the levers of power in Nick Hanauer & Eric Liu world... it lead to a communist dystopia. They're so sure of it, they don't even need to show their work on that shit..

[Fist of Etiquette]

This is what shamed Suderman into posting this:

Fist of Etiquette|6.30.14 @ 9:23PM|#

You realize what this means, right? No one at reason but Matt Walsh gives a shite about < i The Independents.

[GILMORE]

Shite?

oh, what, you're scottish? is the world cup making you snotty again?

[Fist of Etiquette]

The royal shite. You know, the editorial?

[GILMORE]

Fair enough. I milk the "royal 'We'" to death in attire reviews.

[GILMORE]

yodeleyheeehooo

Suderman, you criminal? BACKDATING? The nerve! The hubris...

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Is anyone else seeing the commercial for The Most Patriotic Faucet Ever?

[antisocial-ist]

Described in terms usually reserved for high quality ammo.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

So when does the President grant executive clemency On His Own and Without Congress?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I mean, Congress Has Failed to Act on these excessive federal sentences.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Wait...the executive clemency power is actually warranted by the Constitution...that's no fun...never mind.

[GILMORE]

Today, Obama is beginning a new effort....

... to completely abandon his track record to date, and introduce a completely new topic for the press to fawn.

[GILMORE]

over

[Fist of Etiquette]

The Blur song?

[Paul.]

It's pronounced 'bluh'

[antisocial-ist]

Any other topic slick Willy wants to apply federalism to.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Or don't like a thing.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Or don't like a thing.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Or don't like a thing.

[juris imprudent]

Night squirrels.

[Fist of Etiquette]

One of those things was not like the others.

[Fist of Etiquette]

That poster up there should have a red X over Welch's face.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ha, this poor bastard is the face of male breasts. He thought he was signing up to be a model for Clearasil or something.

[Duke]

At least the Hobby Lobby decision will distract the journalists at NPR and WashPo from covering the IRS scandal.

Oh wait...

[Fist of Etiquette]

But they felt bad about it after the fact.

[Fist of Etiquette]

SHE STOLE MARCUS' JACKET!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Let Marcus speak. It's his job. Apparently.

[antisocial-ist]

I feel terrible for these people, but my personal rule #17- Never trust a man wearing a bow tie.

[Dweebston]

Not even Jeff Tucker?

[antisocial-ist]

Shit, he's at Grady? Get that kid to Egleston.

[antisocial-ist]

Wait, the first time they went after this guy they bust the door down, and burn a child? Then they decide to be responsible after that, when arguably he expected them to be coming for him?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I thought I couldn't be angrier about this situation, but I guess I was wrong.

[Irish]

Holy shit, this is hilarious.

Progressives think Scotusblog is the actual blog of the Supreme Court, Scotusblog retweets their hilariously angry hate tweets.

SCOTUSblog ? @SCOTUSblog
Follow
We thought blogging seemed very 21st century. MT @Iiuslep: @SCOTUSblog want to obliterate any progressive acheivement of 20th century.

SCOTUSblog ? @SCOTUSblog
Follow
Failure of democracy. MT @Rockinwil: Time to do away with the @SCOTUSblog since they are no longer representing citizens of the US.

SCOTUSblog ? @SCOTUSblog
Follow
Sticks and stones RT @Im_X1: @SCOTUSblog You disgust me. The very antithesis of all the United States stands for. You all should be ashamed.

SCOTUSblog ? @SCOTUSblog
Follow
But you complete us. MT @stevenwishnoff: @SCOTUSblog You disgust me.

SCOTUSblog ? @SCOTUSblog
Follow
When you start reading our description. MT @ProgressivesWin: @SCOTUSblog When will you start honoring the constitution. #5OldBigots

SCOTUSblog ? @SCOTUSblog
Follow
We were going for Pandora's Box. MT @cericme: @SCOTUSblog Congratulations on opening a HUGE can of worms and abused.

SCOTUSblog ? @SCOTUSblog
Follow
Lost our copy, apologies. MT @opinali: @SCOTUSblog today you have f@cked up real hard. Go read the f@cking First Amendment again, OK?

[John]

They really are animals.

[Irish]

My favorite is the guy telling the Supreme Court to read the Constitution. I must have missed the free contraception clause of the Constitution.

[Dweebston]

I think you're looking for the General Welfare clause, e.g. the tophat from which Congress is permitted to produce all those rabbits.

[Pathogen]

That right there under that magic 'wheat growing clause' that allowed society to function properly...

[Dweebston]

You need to research the Windmill technology tree before you get the full benefit.

[Dweebston]

Maybe THIS is why they lost their press credentials.

[Anonymous Coward]

When I become Emperor of America, all Twitter-users will be tried for crimes against humanity. Many will shot. Many more will be sent to hard labor. A few will be spared, just to prove that the other trials were fair.

[Libertymike]

For our sake, please spare shriek and tony. We need the comic relief.

OTOH, Your Emperorship can send Joe from Lowell to hard labor.

[Sevo]

British Museum:
How much time should you allow? Which collections are worth the time?

[John]

At least a day. The highlights are the famous reliefs from Nirod, including the famous lioness and of course the Rosetta Stone and the Egyptian collection.

The library is interesting to see but the tour is a lot of insufferable crap about how cool it is that Marx hatched his evil working there.

[Sevo]

John|6.30.14 @ 10:03PM|#
"At least a day. The highlights are the famous reliefs from Nirod, including the famous lioness and of course the Rosetta Stone and the Egyptian collection."

So Egyptian, maybe Greek? Probably not more than a day available.

[John]

If you have a day, just see the stuff from Nimrood, the Rosetta Stone, the Acropolis Statues and what you can of the rest of the Egyptian stuff.

[John]

And the Acropolis statues.

[Derpetologist]

You could spend months in there. Just be sure to hit the Rosetta Stone and the Elgin marbles. I recommend the Far East and Greco-Roman collections. Some of the Islamic stuff is nice too.

[Sevo]

"You could spend months in there."
That's the reason I'm asking. The Deutsches Museum needed more time and I didn't have any idea where to focus.

[John]

You could set the Deutches Museum in the middle of the British Museum and not even notice it was there. The British Museum is just enormous. The Louvre is the only museum I have seen that is bigger.

[Sevo]

"The Louvre is the only museum I have seen that is bigger."

We knew enough about the Lourve to find the stuff we wanted; if you're early enough you can see the ML (and marvel how small the damn thing is!)

[John]

There is so much amazing stuff there. I would say five of my favorite paintings of all time are there. And most of my favorite sculptures.

[Sevo]

John,
There simply ain't enough time or money in the world...

[John]

No there is not Sevo

[Antilles]

I was there a whole day and barely saw anything (totally missed the Rosetta Stone). Two days is more like it. But if you ever visit the Hermitage, allow for at least three days...

[Sevo]

And then you get lucky; the silk-road currency collection in Shanghai, that damn Hieronymus Bosch sur-real "Hell" in Bruges.

[Antilles]

I could've spent a week at the Hermitage! Toward the end we were running from room to room in the hope of seeing everything before they closed. St Petersburg is an amazing city, and I think everyone should visit--especially in the winter!

[Fist of Etiquette]

This just in: Kmele Foster is probably experimenting on us.

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lou Dobbs.

[juris imprudent]

Not watching the show (with no TV at the moment) yet I still feel like I have the gist of it.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

They have an aftershow.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Tho' my stream keeps getting interrupted.

[Paul.]

There's a stream?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v.....show-clips

[Geoff Nathan]

It says 'your video stream will begin soon', but it doesn't. I can never get it to work. Browser related?

[jesse.in.mb]

For the aftershow.

[Paul.]

It's not very sexy.

[jesse.in.mb]

Paul. It's a Bring Your Own Sexy party. If we'd known you were a sexy mooch we would've brought a case of the sexy equivalent of Pacifico to share.

[Sevo]

Paul.|6.30.14 @ 10:05PM|#
"There's a stream?"

Check the ads on the Golf Channel.

[jesse.in.mb]

Moynihan After Hours. Bow-chika-bow-wow

[Paul.]

Do I have to watch that with Chrome set to 'incognito' mode? And solo a mano, if you get my meaning?

[Fist of Etiquette]

They're dissing Nixon now.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

The pale one who resigned, or the brown one who ought to?

[Fist of Etiquette]

The one who was in Sex and the City.

[Sevo]

Why someone doesn't do an Obo-Nixon mashup is beyond me.
"I am not a crook"/"You can keep"

[Derpetologist]

Found it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlYZ2s_95gs

[Derpetologist]

OT: The problem is that there is a large class of people who are terrified of what others might do with freedom. They look out on a world filled with people who go about their lives without asking permission or following orders and it drives them mad.

[Paul.]

HOw on earth is that off topic?

[Derpetologist]

Well, it's not very specific.

[Fist of Etiquette]

He wants paid overtime.

[The Immaculate Trouser]

Wait, we're doing topics now?

[Fist of Etiquette]

The federalization of the drug war was interesting, so naturally now we're pivoting to Hobby Lobby.

[Paul.]

It's called a Segway. It rides on two wheels yet magically stays up.

[Derpetologist]

The designers were so proud of the system they used to get it to stay up. Why not just put on another wheel?

[jesse.in.mb]

The stripes in Kennedy's shirt and the camera are fighting.

[RussianPrimeMinister]

Hey guys, can I come in and join the party? Thanks!

*drinks beer*

Hey, did anyone call dibs on Epi's mom yet? She open? Good.

Hey there, baby!

[jesse.in.mb]

It's not right to make fun of Epi's mom when Epi isn't here to join in.

[RussianPrimeMinister]

Kinda. . . .didn't bother to read the comments before posting.

Sorry Epi.

Still gonna bang your mom, though.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Is that a knit tie?

[GILMORE]

duh

[Notorious G.K.C.]

What are you guys talking about? The birth control is *free*! How can these mandates be holding down salaries?

[Fist of Etiquette]

This just in: Kmele Foster is prejudice!

[Almanian!]

Yes. Yes, he is.

[Almanian!]

CSPAN3 having a KICKASS show on the P47 Thunderbolt, my favorite plane EVAR! Cool!

Wait, what else is going on?

[Pathogen]

Ahh.. the 'Jug', a fine plane.

[Paul.]

Kmele's getting very urban. I hear Lenny Kravitz is only half urban.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

It's pitch urban outside!

[Heroic Mulatto]

Keith Urban is not.

[Warrren]

Urban Beard was a famous pirate.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

He was never invited to any urban tie dinners.

[Warrren]

He stayed home to watch Meet Joe Urban.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Or he's in Sarajevo watching the ceremonies about the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand by the Urban Hand.

[Warrren]

Afterwords he'll catch a match featuring his favorite rugby team, The New Zealand All Urbans.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Or wallow in nostalgia as he listens to the rockin' songs of Joan Jett and the Urban Hearts.

[Warrren]

They're playing at Urbanfriars Theatre!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Back in urban I put on my turban
I been too long I'm glad I'm not Dick Durbin

Yes I'm certain I'm urban

[Warrren]

You win. And remember "Always bet on urban!"

[Fist of Etiquette]

Great. Now I'm picturing The Warriors.

[Warrren]

Come out and plaaaay aaaayay! *clink* *clink*

[Derpetologist]

The Nixon-Obama Scandal Game!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omFNIUqtIGQ

[Fist of Etiquette]

Who told Moynihan about upstairs???

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ugh. This is the longest aftershow ever.

[Paul.]

What are they talking about?!!

[Fist of Etiquette]

They're going to buy Detroit and use its inhabitants for their own amusement apparently.

[Paul.]

Hasn't the UAW already done that?

[Warrren]

They'll trade the UAW for a UAV.

[Marshall Gill]

They are getting ripped off.

[Antilles]

Personally, I find that whisky and weed make every show more entertaining. Can't wait for 24 tonight--I'm going to take a shot every time Jack Bauer yells, "Dammit!" I'll be so fucked up by midnight...

[Paul.]

What, no #bringbackourboys?

[Dweebston]

How patriarchal.

[Pathogen]

Respekt mah authoritah!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I haven't read this article, but it looks amusing:

"I Was a Washington Post Reporter.

"And a Crack Addict.

"This is my story.

"By RUBEN CASTANEDA"

http://www.politico.com/magazi.....z36BC1MqHJ

[Irish]

I'm confused, isn't crack addiction a prerequisite for working at WaPo?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

You're thinking of the Toronto Sun -

http://www.torontosun.com/2014.....ool-survey

[Paul.]

It can't be said that Canadians lack confidence, because 75% of respondents said Canadians are sexy.

That country suffers from such a massive identity crisis that they do surveys to convince themselves that they don't.

[Paul.]

Jesus, I thought she said "dick in her bum"

[Paul.]

Ok, I like the purple hair, but I've admitted previously that I am in fact, by nature, a fake hair man.

[GILMORE]

I just saw a clip a minute ago of Obama saying in a speech, "The Middle Class will ALWAYS be my #1 focus"...

which i guess was this

in saying which he meant, "i intend to throw as much public money at crony union jobs as i humanly can, because that is the lifesblood of Democratic power"...

...but to that point...

is this sudden imperative to 'bypass congress' (again) on Immigration... is that about the middle class?

Is his speech about how climate change requires immediate and huge costs to be forced upon the energy industry, raising electricity prices for consumers, and increased regulation and controls over all forms of fossil fuel production.... is that a priority for the 'middle class'?

Is the Middle Class clamoring to get re-involved in Iraq?

what the fuck has this "never had a real job" president ever done for the middle class?

[Paul.]

what the fuck has this "never had a real job" president ever done for the middle class?

Made it a more exclusive club?

[Paul.]

"Wonderful that people got a chance to be born"?

Great, now we're getting all pro-life. Those people represent abortions that didn't happen. Think about it.

[Warrren]

Zygotes are dying!

[Dweebston]

The "baby Jesus" scene from that godawful Will Farrell movie is nonetheless what I think of when I hear someone describe fetuses as infants.

[Irish]

Scientifically, everyone dies, so if you care about the unborn more born people will die.

If you disagree, then I don't have to listen to your motherfucking ad hominems.

[Heroic Mulatto]

That guy was awesome.

[Irish]

He's the best troll I've seen in years. I'm pretty sure it's a real crazy person too, since he had that scientific abortion website.

[Warrren]

I couldn't figure out what he wants to save. The unborn? The newly born? The grown?

[RussianPrimeMinister]

He wanted to save whatever he figured would sound good at the time.

I argued him into a corner so hard he eventually just stopped trying to explain and said that numbers and facts don't matter because I freaking said so!

Arguing with that guy was like crack. Murdering the worlds cutest baby seals with a huge gun doesn't even compare.

[Heroic Mulatto]

I miss Herc.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I'm missing some kind of abortion discussion?

[Warrren]

Maybe you dropped it?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Look, I don't mind *at all* that I wasn't invited.

[Dweebston]

You mostly invite yourself.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Nowadays I usually wait for a Reason staffer to do an abortion post. By the time I get there there's usually a *lot* of comments.

[Dweebston]

Since it's the runup to the midterms you'll have your threads every other day.

What did people even talk about before abortions became medically feasible? Tariffs? Pocket squares?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"before abortions became medically feasible"

That was quite a while ago, since the Hippocratic Oath refers to potions to induce abortions.

[Dweebston]

Alright, socially accepted however you care to define that.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Since abortion was known to antiquity (I think only trepanning is older), the conversations would revolve around the superiority of "ug" to "og".

[Marshall Gill]

It was an article about the HL ruling. At some point, I actually think this dude achieved Peak Derp.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/06.....nt_4604461

I am all for saving every zygote/embryo/fetus that is produced along with every sperm and egg. I just don't want people to murder an innocent baby to save them. Will you stop murdering babies to save fetuses? In the last 60 seconds while you read this, you let 108 innocent babies die. How does that make you feel?

[Heroic Mulatto]

How does it make me feel?

It makes me feel that the rent is too damn high!

[Marshall Gill]

Unbelievable, HM. At first I was wondering if it was some kind of parody. I wonder if there is any way we could get that guy to comment.

[Heroic Mulatto]

James "Jimmy" McMillan III (born December 1, 1946) is an American political activist, perennial candidate, karate expert, and Vietnam War veteran, as well as a former postal worker, stripper and private investigator from Brooklyn, New York. ... in the past, he stated that he has smoked marijuana in the past, and that his favorite film is Deep Throat.

[Dweebston]

He belongs on the set of the next Hunger Games film for the color commentary.

[GILMORE]

Yeah, I still voted for Vermin Supreme.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Ah, thank you.

[Antilles]

Damn, it's hard to follow this thread because I'm changing the batteries in in my Tribble... Hold on Brethren and Sistren...

[Dweebston]

Where is Gilmore to contextualize whatever the fuck is going on underneath Kmele's jacket? It's not so much clashing as making war with his collar.

#latetotheaftershowparty

[GILMORE]

I protested the failure to post a thread by refusing to comment upon their attire.

*that will show them*! (shakes fist)

[jesse.in.mb]

And how much of it is knowing Matt isn't here to be made insecure?

[Warrren]

Watching Jeopardy and the returning champ has horrible vocal fry. Hope she loses.

[Warrren]

Goddammit! What is "you're a very annoying person?"

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Jesus what the heck about the thread?

[Dweebston]

Don't pull at it.

[RussianPrimeMinister]

So I was helping an older gentleman today, and while I'm working with him he starts talking about politics with me and my teammate.

The three of us get into a deep discussion about the state of the government. And he's agreeing with everything that I say. I bring up one libertarian issue after another, and he brightens up and agrees with every damn one.

Then he says "They've totally fucked up this country. The democrats and republicans both!"

I look at him and say "Fuck'em. That's why I'm a libertarian."

He smiles really really wide, like seriously scary clown wide. His eyes go all glassy and wide. Then he turns around and leaves without saying another word to me, fast.

What the hell has he heard about libertarians that made him literally flee from me?

[Paul.]

What the hell has he heard about libertarians that made him literally flee from me?

He probably reads the papers.

[Dweebston]

It seems to this sort of person that the establishment wing of their party has struck some Faustian deal with the other party, and if only the former would get back to their roots the party would be tolerable again.

So their disgust with both wings of purple party isn't libertarian, it's entirely Marxist/irrevocably socon.

[Warrren]

People! Amirite?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

If Reason is willing to pay my ticket, I'll bring Welch back from France.

[Warrren]

Bring me back a sandwich.

[jesse.in.mb]

Oooh. Bring me back a guy who does parkour and isn't ugly. Don't go out of your way or anything, just if they have them in Duty Free or something.

David Belle would be acceptable, but feel free to use your discretion.

[Dweebston]

Welch makes manic look sexy crazy.

[Dweebston]

Oops, that's Moynihan.

In my defense, I don't think of normally see these people as living, breathing humans. They're usually just the text header under the title but above the huge paragraphs of text before the comments.

[GILMORE]

Holy shit. Look = Die Antwoord

South African rave-rap art thing. their interviews are pretty epic.

[Dweebston]

Jump, motherfucker, jump

If that's not first date material, I don't know what is.*

*I don't know what is.

[jesse.in.mb]

What the...

...I'm going to go fix some Tension Tamer and sit in a corner for a while.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

People on LSD are watching that video and saying, "this stuff is *weird!*"

[Dweebston]

Who need tits?

[Dweebston]

This may be my favorite thing in... well, a couple weeks. Thank you, Gil.

[GILMORE]

Fatty Boom Boom is my favorite song (and sort of a bite of well-played M.I.A. 'international hipster-rap' style)..... but i thought the Freeky one was the best introduction for how its partly music/partly arthouse media-headfuck stuff on the order of ""RiFF RAFF MEETS THE CREMASTER CYCLE"

...which i note = would be an awesome project. I have no idea if matthew barney likes Houston chopped and screwed beats tho.

[Dweebston]

Holy blackfaceeverything.

[GILMORE]

re: """RiFF RAFF MEETS THE CREMASTER CYCLE""

by which i mean, the attempt to fuse very 'low art'/high production values with very 'high-art'/high production values, and surround the whole thing in an air of faux-outrage, intentional campyness, and media blitz confusion, where you become unsure if the project is the actual music, or the fake personas, or the news generated by stupid things they say, or what.

Its all very warhol.

[jesse.in.mb]

Wow. Blonds are terrifying.

[Jesus H. Christ]

It took a lot of work to make something that fucked up.

[Pompey]

I really enjoyed that. Thank you.

[Sevo]

I once overheard a couple of dead-heads after they ran out of dope:
"Ya know, this music sucks!"

[Pathogen]

A sample of the crisp, refreshing ham-tear mineral water being bottled over at Salon...

le vieux renard

There is something intellectually dishonest about this court. They will not provide even moderate privacy around health clinics, yet protect cell phones a little bit, court order, really? Allow religious zealots to set American standards for reproductive rights, when prior to Roe women had to rely on dirty back alley affairs. Didn't our religious idiots stone women to death that were pregnant without a husband baby and all? Ah for the good old days. 2050 years ago how wonderful. First trimester second trimester third trimester? Didn't seem to matter a damned bit. By the way this isn't the Roberts court it belongs to that wonderful mixed tea party marriage the Thomas' and the personal buddy of the Kochs, Scalia. Roberts is just a smiley stupid apostle

[Dweebston]

Long story short, I don't understand the issues whereof I speak, and choose to conflate a consequential ruling vis-a-vis cell phones with a fairly meaningless reversal of a lower court's judgement on picketing around clinics.

And yeah, that's why civil liberties snuffs out not with a whimper nor a bang, but with the tumultuous cheers of the ignorati. Because context is meaningless and proportionality is an utterly foreign concept.

[Pathogen]

Some thought provoking insight from the thread-shitters at Politico

sam v ? 23 minutes ago

As an antinatalist, I believe procreation is immoral. Does that mean I can be exempted from the individual mandate to enter an insurance pool that pays for others' prenatal care? Or am I not exempted because my moral objection is based in logical reasoning and not religious dogma?

Some dude ? sam v ? 20 minutes ago

How do you feel about your own mother being PRO-LIFE?

sam v ? 19 minutes ago

I feel it was an immoral choice, however, one that I understand it is very difficult for the average person to understand themselves.

[Pathogen]

sam v ? 25 minutes ago

end the cycle of death and suffering. parents are directly responsible for all the pain and suffering their children endure.

[Dweebston]

I'd always heard it's children who are responsible for parents having shitty lives.

[Pathogen]

Well... apparently, you're wrong! son of sam V sez so..

[Fist of Etiquette]

Masher.