Brickbat: Going to the Dogs

Police in Malaysia have arrested Maznah Mohd Yusof on charges of wounding religious feelings. Some Muslims in that country complained after finding a three-year-old video on YouTube showing Maznah walking her dogs and washing them with the call to prayer heard in the background.

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[invisible furry hand]

i will eschew the obvious joke and paste this from the article:

Earlier this month, sex bloggers Alvin Tan and Vivian Lee attracted angry comments from Muslims over a mock "Selamat Berbuka Puasa" (breaking of fast) greeting on their Facebook page that showed them eating "bak kut teh", and describing the soupy pork dish as "wangi, enak, menyelerakan" (fragrant, delicious, appetising).

The picture also included a "Halal" logo, although the consumption of pork is forbidden to Muslims.

The couple, known as "Alvivi", were later charged under the Penal Code, Film and Censorship Act and Sedition Act.

The duo had first courted controversy over the videos and photographs of their sexual exploits that had been posted on a now-defunct blog.

That's a whole 'nother Brickbat right there

[Fist of Etiquette]

Well, we know what to blame for the next attack on a US embassy and/or secret CIA facility.

[MappRapp]

I dont think Jack Frapp is going to like that at all!

http://www.Tactical-Anon.tk

[anon]

And yet muslims might wonder why I openly mock their faith.

[Floridian]

Stories like this do make it hard to remember that we live with peaceful Muslims every day. The people not blowing things up and arresting people for blashfemy don't make the news very often.

[Floridian]

Blasphemy

[invisible furry hand]

i like your original spelling cos I could say it to myself in a dramatic but silly English accent

"Dare you blashfeme, you miserable cur?"

[mnarayan]

dramatic but silly English accent

Australian?

[invisible furry hand]

granted, Australians being dramatic sound silly...

[BakedPenguin]

Watch out, disparaging the accent is a bootable offense.

[Floridian]

Simpsons did it!

[anon]

Stories like this do make it hard to remember that we live with peaceful Muslims every day.

I dunno; are they really peaceful, or just waiting for the right opportunity?

Looking at the UK as an example, I find the latter to be more likely.

[sarcasmic]

The KKK claimed to be a Christian organization. So obviously all Christians are hate-filled racists itching for an opportunity to burn a cross on the White House lawn.

[anon]

That's not quite where I was going, but ok.

I think that any religious zealot is a bad religious zealot.

More specifically, I don't trust anyone that wants to enact laws for "my own good."

[Floridian]

If that is the subset of Islam you are referring to then I agree. I am not sure that is the majority opinion of Muslims in the US.

[sarcasmic]

Back in college I got paired up with a Muslim woman on a programming project. Occasionally she would politely excuse herself and then quietly get out her mat and do the whole bowing to the east thing. She never preached or acted judgmental in any way. This of course was pre 9/11. True story.

[wareagle]

I've reached the point where the onus has shifted to the allegedly peaceful muslims to prove themselves. The Klan is virtually non-existent today, evangelicals may be annoying but they are hardly homicidal, and there are teh muslims.

I want to believe the peaceful variety is the vast majority, and while not every muslim is a terrorist, seems just about every terrorist the past several years has been a muslim. When is it up to the peaceful ones to change public opinion?

[sarcasmic]

I've reached the point where the onus has shifted to the allegedly peaceful muslims to prove themselves.

Guilty until proven innocent. Nice.

[Floridian]

I think this falls under most crimes are committed by black men but most black men don't committ crimes. Is it the responsibility of every black person to denounce every crime committed by a black man?

[wareagle]

Is it the responsibility of every black person to denounce every crime committed by a black man?

interesting you would bring this up. Recently, Don Lemon of CNN - who is black - had a commentary on the self-inflicted problems of his community. He made a few suggestions, like not having kids as teenagers and finishing school.

He got a lot of blowback from other blacks and he is hardly the first black to be attacked for saying the black community might want to heal itself instead of blaming whitey for everything.

[Drake]

Are they peaceful Muslims or just lazy cowardly Muslims? They certainly don't have much to say to the "radicals".

[sarcasmic]

Are they peaceful Muslims or just lazy cowardly Muslims? They certainly don't have much to say to the "radicals".

Are you a Christian? If so, have you publicly disavowed those Christians who have bombed abortion clinics? If not then you are not only complicit, but you are just as guilty as they are. Christian Taliban.

[sarcasmic]

Every abortion clinic bomber was a Christian, so all Christians shall be treated like abortion clinic bombers until they can prove that they have no intention of bombing an abortion clinic.

Prove you're not an abortion clinic bomber! Prove it!

[Floridian]

Damn, beat me to the analogy.

[BardMetal]

The problem is Jihad is actually a part of Islam. It's written in the Koran, and it's been a part of Islamic culture since 1400 years ago when Mohammed first started calling himself a prophet.

[Eduard van Haalen]

I thought pro-lifers were insincere because they *don't* bomb abortion clinics. What is the official line nowadays?

[Finrod]

How many abortion clinic bombers have there been?

How many Muslim terrorists have there been?

This is as stupid as saying that since practically all mass murderers are male, that all males should have to prove they're not mass murderers.

[BardMetal]

Unfortunately Jihad is part of Islam. Racism is not part of Christianity. The KKK isn't exactly a perfect analogy.

[wareagle]

and the stretching for analogies is underway. Multiple christian groups denounced abortion clinic bombers; by comparison, denouncement of muslim attacks is pretty slim. At some point, silence becomes acceptance or something close to it.

If that offends someone's delicate sensibilities, then it does. Perhaps groups like CAIR could take the forefront but more often than not, they act as apologists for those who hijack the faith.

[sarcasmic]

At some point, silence becomes acceptance or something close to it.

Really? Because peaceful Muslims don't come out in droves to denounce every act by radical Muslims, they are complicit in the crimes? Not apologizing for things that they did not do means they approve of those things that they did not do and did not apologize for?

You know who else says that inaction is action?

[wareagle]

now, we're gonna put words in my mouth? Seriously? No one said other muslims are complicit but I don't hear much criticism of the radicals from within islam. To use your previous analogy, lots of folks thought bombing clinics or killing docs who perform abortions was criminal and wrong.

[sarcasmic]

No one said other muslims are complicit but I don't hear much criticism of the radicals from within islam.

Unless you mean to say that not criticizing is the same as approval ("silence becomes acceptance"), then what does it matter if you don't hear criticism?

[wareagle]

I said at some point silence becomes acceptance. Which group has called out the radicals? Our own govt changed terminology so the jihadists' feelings wouldn't be hurt. Are you kidding?

Point me toward the group that is regularly and consistently speaking out against the radicals and I'll start citing them as an example.

[sarcasmic]

I said at some point silence becomes acceptance.

Not apologizing for things you didn't do means you approve of those things you didn't do and didn't apologize for.

Gotcha.

[mr simple]

And the stretching for collective guilting is underway. Multiple clerics have denounced the acts of terrorist muslims. At some point you have to learn to treat people as individuals. If that offends someone's delicate sensibilities, then it does.

[Night Elf Mohawk]

Once difference might be that there isn't a lot in the New Testament to support their position, but there is a crapton in the Koran to support to jihadist murders.

[Eduard van Haalen]

It's the practical interpretation of the religion which outsiders tend to look at. Some Muslims seem to think the peaceful Koran passages are relevant to their situation; others are more into the violent stuff.

As for why peaceful Muslims are so sparing of their criticism of the violent ones, I speculate that in many cases it's an unwillingness to be blown up or stabbed to death as an "apostate."

[Floridian]

There is a significant Muslim population where I live and though I don't know what is in their hearts they have been polite and civil during my interactions. I think mostly they want to be left alone to practice their faith, but obviously there are radicals in any large population.

[anon]

A problem I have with their faith (and Christianity), is that their faith teaches them to impose it on others. For their own good.

[sarcasmic]

This may come as a shock to you, but the vast majority of religious people are not preachy, despite what their faith teaches them.

[Floridian]

I also do not like to be preached at. However, this is a majority Christian nation and only a couple times in my life have a been approached by annoying evangelicals. I only had to be rude to one to get them to go away. That is a very small and annoying subset. Most Christians will leave you in peace.

Anecdote: I am atheist, my wife is catholic. She has never asked me to convert after being together for 10 years.

[CampingInYourPark]

Proselytizing and imposing are not the same actions.

[Drake]

Correct. Charlemagne and anyone else ever who tried to convert people to Christianity by force was doing it wrong according to the Gospel. Muslims converting people to Islam with the sword are doing it right according to the Koran and Hadiths.

[BardMetal]

Exactly! And that is a very important difference. Sadly I fear years of multicultural indoctrination makes it very difficult for some people to take a critical look at other cultures.

[Ted S.]

However, this is a majority Christian nation and only a couple times in my life have a been approached by annoying evangelicals.

You've only been approached by annoying Jehovah's Witnesses a couple of times? Lucky you. I live in the middle of nowhere, with a long driveway intedned to deter such riff-raff, and I used to get them quite a bit. Far more than "a couple of times".

[Eduard van Haalen]

JWs aren't evangelicals.

[BardMetal]

Nations that are majority Christian are pretty tolerant of other faiths. Can you say the same thing about Muslim countries?

[Floridian]

Bard,
I think you raise a good point. I don't know if the Muslims that immigrated to the US agree with those policies or not. I think if they did they would move to those countries. My personal interactions with Muslims have been pleasant. In their mind they maybe cursing me while smiling but I don't know that. In France they have instituted anti Muslim laws (no head scarfs), does this make all French people racist? I hate to collectivise people, because I really don't want to be responsible for all US policy just because I'm an American.

[BardMetal]

Honestly I doubt even if a majority of Muslims in the US support the same goals, and I can't remember off the top of my head, but I believe in the UK poll the number was around 35%. Not a majority, but still a frightening high number.

The problem is Jihad is part of the Islamic religion, and culture. Even if a majority of Muslims reject it, it's always going to exist in that part of the world.

[Jose Chung]

Not to split hairs, but anti-Islam laws, like the banning of head-scarves, would be bigoted, not racist per se. Islam is not a race or ethnicity, it is a religion.

[Floridian]

I stand corrected

[sarcasmic]

Nations that are majority Christian are pretty tolerant of other faiths. Can you say the same thing about Muslim countries?

So now government equals society? You know who else confuses the distinction between government and society?

[wareagle]

So now government equals society?

in muslim countries, the answer seems to be yes. In western nations, not so much. Do you often hear of western nations attacking random muslims? Because you sure hear of people in muslim nations randomly attacking non-muslims.

[sarcasmic]

Because you sure hear of people in muslim nations randomly attacking non-muslims.

Which means that all Muslims attack non-Muslims. Or at least they approve if they don't openly condemn those things that they didn't do.

[BardMetal]

"So now government equals society? You know who else confuses the distinction between government and society?"

Is that what I said? Even in Muslim countries with secular governments Christians have to fear attacks from the local mobs.

Here's another idea. Take a map of the world and draw a little x on all the major conflict areas. Put an x on gaza, darfour, Kashmir, Chechyna, etc and see if you notice something.

[anon]

So now government equals society?

Sarc, normally I'd disagree with you, but I cannot think of a secular islamic state.

[anon]

DAMNIT! EDIT Disagree/agree.

[Lady Bertrum]

It's important to look beyond just the US and Europe when looking for religious violence. In Sri Lanka, Burma, Bangladesh, Kashmir, North Africa, Egypt, and throughout the ME Muslims are coming into conflict with Christians, Buddhists and Hindi. It's rare to find Christian on Buddhist or Buddhist on Hindi violence.

The culture of the region or the culture of Islam or both seem to lead to these types of conflicts. Islam is political in the same way Catholicism was political during the Middle Ages. It seems to be aggressive and fearful.

[BardMetal]

Damn you beat me to it.

[Floridian]

Catholicism was extremely violent in spite of the teaching of Jesus. I don't think religion changed as much as people did. Religion seems to bend to the culture of the people over time. In 200 years the Muslims may look back and say " gee we did a lot wrong but now we are really peaceful". I don't hold Catholics today responsible for the inquisition and I don't hold Muslims accountable for the acts of radicals.

[BardMetal]

According to polls there are a lot of Muslims in the UK that have very similar goals with the terrorists, but just disagree with the tactics.

[Suthenboy]

No matter how many times I see the stone age mind on display it always makes me say "WTF?".

Crawl out from under a rock already. We have a robot on Mars and you fuckers are still squatting in the mud and shit banging rocks together and chopping heads off with swords.

[CampingInYourPark]

A group called The American Muslim Political Action Committee (AMPAC) is planning a one million Muslims march to Washington D.C. on September 11th.

http://www.breitbart.com/Insta.....ry-of-9-11

These lies told to the American population has made it impossible for us to do true Dawa. Why do we have to defend our religion while doing Dawa? Why can't we just share the perfection of the Quran and the beauty of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (SWS)?

Am I supposed to know what Dawa means?

[anon]

Suicide bombing?

[sarcasmic]

This might help: http://bit.ly/1byQSY2

[CampingInYourPark]

This is obviously why we need moar internet speed for the skoolz

[Floridian]

That was neat. I didn't know you could do an animation of googling.

[John]

That is really sarcasmic.

[Matrix]

Dawa is proselytizing for Islam.

Funny, they kill people of other faiths who try to proselityze Muslims.

[Bardas Phocas]

Mormon missionaries without the pork.

[John]

But the Mormons never kill anyone.

[Some call me Tim?]

Why do we have to defend our religion while doing Dawa?

Because every religion has to defend itself when trying to convert others? I bet Mormon missionaries get asked all sorts of questions about their crazy underwear and celestial marriage and dead baby baptisms?

Do they think they should be exempt?

[wareagle]

call me when the Mormons start issuing fatwas when they're mocked or criticized, or when their followers start committing crimes in the name of LDS.

[John]

This is the match made in hell of liberal PC victimhood and Muslim totalitarianism. You see, I am a Muslim. I am a protected class of people because I am from the third world and have been the victim of Imperialism. That means I get to preach to you and use the force of law to prevent you from doing anything that might offend my delicate sensibilities. You in contract cannot so much as talk to me about another religion or question mine.

[Drake]

Hearing Muslim calls to prayer in my yard would definitely wound my religious feelings.

[Lord Humungus]

grr...

[Lord Humungus]

Did I miss the news that yesterday was the official Reason Wednesday drink-a-thon holiday?

[John]

I wonder if Muslims in this country are dumb enough and arrogant enough to go after dogs. People are crazy about dogs. If Muslims really want Americans to hate their guts, bitching about dogs will accomplish that faster than 20 911s.

[Solanum]

Yep. Even most lefties like their dogs. I think they're smart enough to stay well away this one.

[SKR]

so true. I don't like most people so beheadings don't motivate me to violence that much. Condemnation sure but not violence. Show me someone hurting a dog and I'm going to grab my gun.

[SKR]

I doubt they will obtain the population densities to give them the courage to do anything in the US any time soon. However, just google europe, muslim, and dog in order to get really pissed off at Muslims. Here in L.A., I have had a few encounters with orthodox Muslims and my dog where they pulled their children away from us and/or shot me dirty looks with unintelligible muttering.

[John]

I have to admit, that would make me happy if I were you. Fucking barbarians. I really hope they are stupid enough to think anyone gives a shit about their idiotic beliefs.

[SKR]

The first time it happened, I just thought they were really afraid of dogs. I'm at the point now where I just shake my head and say, "stupid medieval Muslim mysticism."

[ant1sthenes]

Worst part is how badly they've subverted the police academies and turned them into terrorist training camps. And now you know why "pig" is so offensive to the cops.