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A.M. Links: Businesses Struggle With Obamacare Costs, Rand Paul Speech Overshadowed Rubio's, Police Deny Deliberately Burning Out Dorner

J.D. Tuccille | 2.14.2013 9:00 AM

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  • Small businesses nearing the 50-employee threshold that triggers many Obamacare regulations actively consider whether to curb their own growth. Why, yes, private sector employment is expected to suffer. On the other hand, big businesses are— Oh, that's right. They're cutting employees back, too, to reduce costs under the new law.

  • Rand Paul's state of the union response overshadowed the official GOP speech and made Marco Rubio look like a squish.
  • Sen. Diane Feinstein has scheduled a new hearing for February 27 on her proposed assault weapons ban, because she was unhappy with what witnesses at the last hearing had to say. Seriously, that's her announced reason.
  • Thinning the tangle of federal criminal statutes would be one handy way to reduce the prison population, suggests the Congressional Research Service.
  • Police say, uh uh, no way did they deliberately burn up Christopher Dorner in that cabin in the San Bernardino mountains.
  • Greece remains a European (non)garden spot, with 27 percent unemployment and a third of the population expected to live in poverty by year's end. Actually, the economy is pretty crappy all across the Eurozone.
  • Police in Syracuse, New York, refuse to give city officials details of the asset forfeiture money they receive or how it's used.

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  1. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

    'Blade Runner' Guns Down Girlfriend

    Dating Replicants always leads to trouble.

    1. $park?   12 years ago

      Guy is obviously a good Libertarian.

    2. nicole   12 years ago

      I always knew there was something creepy about that guy. Then again I fall firmly in the GOB Bluth camp of maiming-freakout.

      1. Quetzalcoatl   12 years ago

        This is why there are no cyborg libertarians!

    3. db   12 years ago

      I have no idea who this guy is.

      1. nicole   12 years ago

        You probably do. It's the footless (shinless?) freak who had special carbon fiber "blades" mad so he could run really fast and be in the Olympics and shit.

        1. db   12 years ago

          I remember hearing about that. Thanks.

        2. RBS   12 years ago

          I think you mean so he could cheat at the Olympics.

          1. nicole   12 years ago

            Well, yeah, but he ended up sucking, didn't he?

            1. a better weapon   12 years ago

              His failure was a strong lesson to the kids who were considering amputating themselves in the name of athletic glory. Hopefully they got the message before it was too late.

              1. entropy   12 years ago

                Performance enhancing prosthetics will never be developed if we don't have adequate research subjects!

            2. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

              Also, he was a total and complete dick who didn't deserve the attention he was getting. I giggled at his Olympic fails.

              1. anon   12 years ago

                In all honesty, I'd probably be a dick if I had no legs too.

          2. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

            Hey, he didn't dope. Because that would make him a bad person.

          3. Zeb   12 years ago

            It's not cheating if they change the rules to allow it.

        3. entropy   12 years ago

          Ahhh. I was like - I don't remember him being in Bladerunner.

    4. SKFD!   12 years ago

      This ad is unfortunate, in hindsight.

      http://www.ibelieveinadv.com/commons/nike5.jpg

  2. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

    Iceland considers pornography ban ruining the internet

    1. Whiterun Guard   12 years ago

      Good luck with that, Iceland.

      1. Slammer   12 years ago

        "Iceland is taking a very progressive approach that no other democratic country has tried," said Professor Gail Dines, an expert on pornography and speaker at a recent conference at Reykjavik University.

        An EXPERT! How exactly does one become an EXPERT?

        1. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

          "It is looking a pornography from a new position - from the perspective of the harm it does to the women who appear in it and as a violation of their civil rights."

          New? The hell it is

          1. RBS   12 years ago

            Those poor women who decided against their will to get paid for sex on camera.

            1. Drax the Destroyer   12 years ago

              Some of them becoming millionaires in the process. Yes, those poor manipulated women.

          2. jesse.in.mb   12 years ago

            Acquaintance: "All pornography objectifies and harms women"
            [Raises hand]Me: "Umm no. I'm pretty sure no women were objectified or harmed the last time I watched two guys wrestle each other to the floor in oil and bone."
            Acquaintance: "Your pornography harms women by denying that women are necessary."

            I don't really remember the rest of the conversation. I like to think that I beat her senseless during my fugue state but I'm pretty sure I just ate lunch and smiled like a broken idiot.

            1. Zeb   12 years ago

              Wow. That is just priceless. Faced with a strong counterexample to her assertion she just keeps on going.

              1. JW   12 years ago

                It's all in the programming. She puts the "then" in "if-then".

            2. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

              "Your pornography harms women by denying that women are necessary."

              It's official: I have lost all hope in America.

            3. AuH2O   12 years ago

              Well, way to be... whomever the gay equivalent of an Uncle Tom would be.

              /Time's I wish I could speak in Archer's voice.

              1. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

                the gay equivalent of an Uncle Tom

                Larry Craig?

                1. jesse.in.mb   12 years ago

                  Maybe Matt Moore? He's part of the ex-gay movement.

                  The grindr profile was really mine. I've been on it on and off for the last couple of weeks. Like I told the guy who sent you the picture, I am wrong in having been on grindr. I haven't changed my views on homosexuality, the bible, etc. Creating a grindr profile and talking to guys on it was major disobedience on my part?.disobedience to Christ.

                  This guy has been naughty and needs to be punished.

                  And I won't be on grindr again?.ever. The pastor of my church and the church body I am a part of were informed about me being on grindr (I told them) before all of this came out, publicly.

                  1. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

                    The pastor of my church and the church body I am a part of were informed

                    They already knew - their phones told them

              2. Dweebston   12 years ago

                I had something for this.

            4. BakedPenguin   12 years ago

              I like to think that I beat her senseless...

              Sounds like she was already there.

            5. nicole   12 years ago

              "Your pornography harms women by denying that women are necessary."

              So how did you not say, "In what way does this not also mean my sexuality harms women?"

              1. jesse.in.mb   12 years ago

                It probably came up, I'm not joking when I say I can't remember the conversation after that.

                1. nicole   12 years ago

                  I don't blame you, I would suppress some bullshit like that too.

        2. Atanarjuat   12 years ago

          Well, they say if you do anything for 10,000 hours you become an expert at it.

        3. Rights-Minimalist Autocrat   12 years ago

          There, you heard it straight from the monkey's mouth: bans are progressive.

          1. gaijin   12 years ago

            My new group: The Ban Band. Imagine if we got banned!

            1. Sam Grove   12 years ago

              The banned Ban Band.

        4. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

          "An EXPERT! How exactly does one become an EXPERT?"

          Same way you get to Carnegie Hall - practice, practice, practice.

          1. RBS   12 years ago

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icr02VbbCjY

        5. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

          How exactly does one become an EXPERT?

          Maybe he did a lot of gay porn to pay for his graduate studies.

        6. Quetzalcoatl   12 years ago

          Ask sarcasmic.

        7. Jordan   12 years ago

          Well, they got one thing right, at least. Totalitarian speech bans are progressive.

        8. Rich   12 years ago

          How exactly does one become an EXPERT?

          How exactly does one become CERTIFIED as an EXPERT?

          1. T   12 years ago

            For a nominal fee, I can issue you a certificate testifying to the areas of your expertise. The more areas, the larger the fee, of course.

            1. Rich   12 years ago

              Well, OK.

              But it has to look like this.

              1. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

                So, drawn by a child and signed using a spirograph?

        9. a better weapon   12 years ago

          Actually, we tried this before the internet. Does Gail Dines really want to go back to the days of scurrying in and out of Javier's XXX Adult Video Store on I-80 to purchase the latest Butch Trucker Sluts installment praying nobody happens to drive by and recognize her partner's car in the parking lot?

        10. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

          I'm an expert.

        11. R C Dean   12 years ago

          Iceland is taking a very progressive approach

          She got one thing right. Progressive = ban.

          1. R C Dean   12 years ago

            Dang. Too slow. Next time, Rich, next time.

        12. entropy   12 years ago

          10,000 hours of practice.

          Dude must watch a lot of porn.

      2. some guy   12 years ago

        They'd have better luck trying to ban ice.

  3. sarcasmic   12 years ago

    Looks like no one will get the reward for Dorner because he wasn't 'arrested or convicted'
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....x-cop.html
    Like there was a chance the cop killer was not going to be executed. Sheesh.

    1. Whiterun Guard   12 years ago

      Well I am sure they will re-invest that money in their training programs to ensure that they catch any 'future Dorners' before they murder four innocent people!

      1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

        "Uh oh. This guy is complaining when officers assault people in handcuffs. Better do something before he goes Dorner on us."

      2. db   12 years ago

        Cue the LAPD and Mayor trumpeting their massive $1.5 million budget "cut" that can now be "invested" in MOAR POLICE EQUIPMENT.

      3. CE   12 years ago

        An obvious first step would be to prohibit LAPD officers from filing police brutality reports against fellow LAPD officers.

    2. Ted S.   12 years ago

      If he was holed up, why not just wait for him to run out of food and ammo?

      Assuming, of course, you want to arrest him and not kill him.

      1. db   12 years ago

        Because real cops chase the bear into its den.

        1. BigT   12 years ago

          Janet Reno!

      2. Proprietist   12 years ago

        They had to get it done with so America would watch the SOTU.

    3. generic Brand   12 years ago

      Time for this story to be completely forgotten about.

      I mean I rarely watch cable news, but the fact that this hasn't become more of a story is fucking retarded.

      1. RBS   12 years ago

        But Marco Rubio took a sip of water!

        1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

          Poland Springs no less. POLAND SPRINGS!

          1. Art Vandelay   12 years ago

            I think it's Moland Springs now.

            1. Dweebston   12 years ago

              Twofer. Nice.

      2. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

        If the guy were a Tea Party supporter, rather than an Obamabot, you can bet that this would be plastered on every news station for weeks, a la Newtown.

        1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

          Yep.

    4. CE   12 years ago

      I heard Headline News (I mean, HNN) say this morning that the cabin "accidentally caught fire". I'm sure that would work with my insurance company if my garage "accidentally caught fire" after I lobbed a few incendiary grenades into it.

  4. sarcasmic   12 years ago

    Hard to stomach: The last meals of death row inmates executed for crimes they were proved to be INNOCENT of years later

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....ommit.html
    This can't be true. Tulpa said our justice system is perfect and that no innocent person could ever be put to death.

    1. Whiterun Guard   12 years ago

      All I know is if I got a last meal now, I'd want to wash it down with a warm glass of Ke$ha's pee.

      1. Quetzalcoatl   12 years ago

        At least you'd die with a buzz.

      2. PowerBottom   12 years ago

        'sswrong with you?

        1. Drax the Destroyer   12 years ago

          I think her piss would kill you before the state could. Jesus...that's like something Warty would type, but Warty has standards.

    2. generic Brand   12 years ago

      Before they were put to death for unrelated murders, the equally unrelated Leo Jones and Claude Jones both had ordered steak and eggs for their last meals.

      Can two people be unequally unrelated? How can one person be more related to another than that person is to the first?

      1. generic Brand   12 years ago

        Oh, I just saw that I missed "unrelated murders" in the first half of the sentence.

      2. R C Dean   12 years ago

        No, you were right the first time. Unrelated is unrelated; there aren't degrees of unrelated.

        Now, you can be more or less related, true. But "un" is "un".

    3. Azathoth!!   12 years ago

      Not one of those cases describes any incontrovertible proof of any of these mens innocence. Is there some other website that provides a detailed proof or is all the proof like the one that says that 'twelve years after the guy was executed two people said he didn't do it'--because that's some pretty thin broth.

  5. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

    Ke$ha explains pee drinking

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/enterta.....e-drinking

    1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

      Ke$ha drinks her own piss, but Sparky would kiss her anyway.
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....ntary.html

      1. $park?   12 years ago

        Never kiss on the lips.

        1. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

          Which ones?

          1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

            Zing!

          2. $park?   12 years ago

            The ones that it's not OK for piss to be near. Duh! Those other ones are supposed to have piss go through them so they're fine.

            1. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

              Your logic is unbreakable.

              /SNARK

              Face it, Ke$ha is a vulgar and quite disgusting creature who drinks urine. You have what philosophers call a "conundrum", Sparky.-)))

              1. $park?   12 years ago

                Not at all. I admire Ke$ha for her weirdness and her joie de vivre. The world needs people like that in it. It doesn't hurt that I also think she's fairly attractive.

                1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

                  I also think she's fairly attractive.

                  Yeah baby!
                  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....Under.html
                  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....othes.html
                  Yeah!

                  1. RBS   12 years ago

                    I think I'd rather bang the ham ass woman.

                2. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

                  And you call me insane, Sparky,-)))

                  Oh well, to each their own, I suppose.

              2. $park?   12 years ago

                Also, it's not like she's the only one to ever drink urine.

                1. BigT   12 years ago

                  A former prime minister of India drank his own urine as a form of alternative medicine.

                  Morarji Desai, the Indian leader from 1977-1979, even was interviewed on ABC News and 60 Minutes about his repulsive habit! In the ABC interview with Barbara Walters, Desai spoke at length about how he considered urine therapy a "cure for almost all diseases." He claimed the practice could even help with cataracts "if you catch them at the beginning and continue washing your eyes with it." On 60 Minutes with Dan Rather, he proclaimed urine therapy the "perfect" treatment for the millions of Indians who could not afford professional care at that time!

                  Despite what men such as Bear Grylls and Moraji Desai may tell you, consuming your own pee has no known health benefit. Yes, urine is 95% water, but the other 5% contains substances that are harmful for you - which is exactly why your body is expelling them in the first place! In fact, even if you are trapped with no access to water, it still might be a bad idea to drink urine. Survival experts are split on this issue.

    2. Fist of Etiquette   12 years ago

      R Kelly agrees.

    3. generic Brand   12 years ago

      What's worse? Drinking your own piss or washing your hands in your own piss Jorge Posada style?

      1. $park?   12 years ago

        Here's someone worse that both.

        1. jesse.in.mb   12 years ago

          If that picture is to be believed she really needs to drink more water.

      2. Zeb   12 years ago

        I would say that depends on what you need to wash off of your hands. There are a lot of things worse than piss. Unless there is something wrong with you, it should be pretty sterile.

    4. Proprietist   12 years ago

      'One time, someone told me I smelt like a shrimp on a diaper. I thought I could make a fragrance that was little like a shrimp on a Faberge diaper, but I don't know if people want to smell like that.'

      Ladies and gentlemen, the most WTF person ever.

  6. sarcasmic   12 years ago

    Nanny Bloomberg to ban Styrofoam.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....cycle.html

    1. Bee Tagger   12 years ago

      But have you seen his stance on speaking about styrofoam? It's a civil libertarian's dream!

    2. Professional Target   12 years ago

      Because of the dihydrogen monoxide?

    3. $park?   12 years ago

      I suppose at this point all the things that aren't banned would be a shorter list.

      1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

        That which is not explicitly permitted is banned.

        1. Rasilio   12 years ago

          That which is not explicitly permitted required is banned

    4. Rich   12 years ago

      '[Styrofoam] is something that should go the way of lead paint.'

      So Hizzonner wants ghetto kids to EAT Styrofoam?

    5. Whiterun Guard   12 years ago

      It's OK, Ke$ha uses paper cups.

      1. Quetzalcoatl   12 years ago

        She uses red SOLO cups. Piss pong.

  7. sarcasmic   12 years ago

    Where were these women when I was in high school?!?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....lmart.html

    1. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

      I was going to read this article but then I noticed the picture of a woman with a canned ham implanted in her ass and decided to read that instead.

      1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

        John would.

    2. Professional Target   12 years ago

      One of them was at my high school. She also kept pointing out girls who were interested in me and suggesting how to approach them. Do I need to say she changed my life for the better?

    3. Atanarjuat   12 years ago

      I'm just going to be sexist and MALE GAZEy here: a decent looking older woman performing oral sex on a 15 year old male is not "abuse".

      1. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

        I agree. But the men on her jury will be thinking, A 15 year old boy cannot be allowed to get more play than me. "Burn the pedophile at the stake!"

        1. Professional Target   12 years ago

          I would hang that jury. Of course I'd be tossed off it for cheering "Plow her good and paint the kitchen, kid!"

        2. generic Brand   12 years ago

          I think you missed the mark when you said "men on her jury".

          1. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

            I'm sure the men will be carefully chosen. All married, old, and whipped. You know, to insure their impartiality.

    4. Quetzalcoatl   12 years ago

      Probably with the popular kids, just like the girls your age.

      1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

        The best part about my 20th birthday was that I could finally start dating high school girls!

    5. Brett L   12 years ago

      And she bought him smokes. I'm jealous as fuck.

      1. nicole   12 years ago

        My parents met in high school when my dad bummed a cigarette off my mom.

        I realized the other day that this is also how I got together with my boyfriend, though we were at university.

        So cute!

        1. Brett L   12 years ago

          Smoking, running, and yoga have been my most consistent successes. Seriously, when you meet a runner or a chick from your yoga class out at a bar and you're both smoking, instant bond. Also, we don't have strip clubs here, so yoga is as close as I can get to seeing a bunch flexible 19 year old women nearly naked for a nominal fee.

          1. Ted S.   12 years ago

            There are places that don't have strip clubs?????

            1. Brett L   12 years ago

              Yes. The triangle between Dothan AL, Jacksonville, and Alchua FL. To get to a decent one, its even larger. Probably Tampa/Orlando, J'ville, and I don't know where on the West.

            2. $park?   12 years ago

              I don't think anyone wants to think about a strip club in Florida. Can you image Marge and Valda center stage?

              1. Brett L   12 years ago

                Tampa, Orlando, J'ville, Miami, and their suburbs all have nice places. As discussed before, Cafe Risque is... ugh. I think Tallahassee, having 2 universities and giant juco, with a population of approximately 35000 women between 18-23 would be ideal for a couple of classy places. Unfortunately, there's some sort of city or county ordinance. They have a "bikini" club for the brothers, but no strip clubs and I don't think the pale guys are invited.

          2. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

            ALWAYS target the chick at the bar smoking. Smokers put out.

            My theory is they obviously don't care what's going into their bodies...

            1. nicole   12 years ago

              Some of us are extremely brand-loyal though.

              1. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

                Which was my downfall.

                I was Coors and they were looking for Heineken.

                1. Citizen Nothing   12 years ago

                  Heineken? Fuck that shit. Pabst Blue Ribbon!

                  1. Brandon   12 years ago

                    CN is a hipster?

                2. mr simple   12 years ago

                  They were looking for something skunky?

                  1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

                    Hamm's?!

    6. Drax the Destroyer   12 years ago

      Sarc, I'm guessing these women were actually in the same grade as you when you were in high school.

  8. DJF   12 years ago

    New medal for drone pilots will have precedence over a Bronze Star with Valor device awarded to soldiers who actually get shot at.. I wonder if the medal will look like a joy stick? Or if they get a Purple Heart if they get a blister on their firing thumb?

    """""The Distinguished Warfare Medal will be awarded to pilots of unmanned aircraft, offensive cyber war experts or others who are directly involved in combat operations but who are not physically in theater and facing the physical risks that warfare historically entails.

    The new medal will rank just below the Distinguished Flying Cross. It will have precedence over ? and be worn on a uniform above ? the Bronze Star with Valor device, a medal awarded to troops for specific heroic acts performed under fire in combat.""""

    http://www.marinecorpstimes.co.....ar-021313/

    1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

      Drone pilots get medals.
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....-Star.html
      How many children must you kill to get one?

      1. brlfq   12 years ago

        C-

        1. gaijin   12 years ago

          ^^F

      2. Professional Target   12 years ago

        There's a points system based on the kid's age, nationality and a difficulty modifier. Lose your drone and you have to put in another million quarters.

      3. sloopyinca   12 years ago

        I believe they will be using the Death Race 2000 Scoring System. You get a medal at 1000 points and an oak leaf cluster for every following 750 points.

        1. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

          Sloopy I caught your post about Baby Reason. I assume she will be in surgery in 3 weeks? Will it be at Stanford Medical?

          1. sloopyinca   12 years ago

            Well, we go for the consultation on the 4th. Our doctor said we should expect the surgery to follow in short order. And yes, it will be at Stanford Medical.

            I've been doing my research, and it looks like a top-flight medical center. We're feeling pretty good about it.

            By the way, my parents have been here visiting all week, and the reaction Baby Reason is having to them is just amazing. She's smiling and laughing quite a bit more than before. I guess she's just so used to us that she already thinks her parents are squares.

            1. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

              she already thinks her parents are squares

              Nah, she's angry with you for not giving her the tomahawk and letting her show the ducks who's boss

              1. sloopyinca   12 years ago

                But she's a baby and I live in California. I would imagine letting her wear an Atlanta Braves jersey would get me a visit from CPS. Allowing her to wield a real tomahawk would get me shipped 40 miles down the road to Corcoran State Prison with Charlie Manson and Juan Corona.

                1. Brett L   12 years ago

                  Allowing her to wield a real tomahawk would get me shipped 40 miles down the road to Corcoran State Prison

                  Just claim you were introducing her to Native American technology and traditions. You were educating her in a politically correct and non(European)- traditional manner.

    2. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

      Carpal tunnel is now the equivalent of a shrapnel wound.

    3. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

      That is just F'ing great. Jack Devore Dunn goes out with 24 other planes at Midway, comes back with only one other besides his - gets a DFC and a DSM and he rates one tick above someone sitting at a remote terminal in Nevada blowing people up by pushing a button.

      Above a BSM with "V" device?!! I think we should go all John F'ing Kerry and fling our medals over the White House fences.

      1. T   12 years ago

        The V is the only Bronze Star that matters. I watched them hand out Bronze Stars like candy after the Gulf War to all the staff pukes at Regiment.

        1. Drake   12 years ago

          Meanwhile my Air Team had our Navy Achievement Medals for actions on the battlefield downgraded to Letters of Appreciation.

      2. Drake   12 years ago

        It's the Pouge Medal of Honor.

        1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

          THIS!

      3. Stormy Dragon   12 years ago

        You think that's bad; when the Navy gives out a unit award now, any goverment civilians or contractors attached to that unit get it too. I've gotten a Navy MUC without having even been in the military.

    4. CE   12 years ago

      Hey, it beats an indictment for first degree murder.

  9. Bee Tagger   12 years ago

    Police in Syracuse, New York, refuse to give city officials details of the asset forfeiture money they receive or how it's used.

    Maybe it's a crime to know how the asset forfeiture money is being used so the police are really just saving city officials from having their assets forfeited. Ever think about that??

    1. Whiterun Guard   12 years ago

      They just don't want anyone to know how many gallons of Aqua Vitae Ke$ha they bought.

    2. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

      It's also a crime to AM link a story that we had a formal post about at least a week ago.

      1. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

        Take it easy on J.D. Not everyone reads H&R.

    3. Ted S.   12 years ago

      Call in the national guard to storm police headquarters. Bomb it if necessary.

    4. Brett L   12 years ago

      I think the police department is confused as to whom they are actually employed by. Were I the city, I would call in the state investigatve bureau, close the police, and contract with the county sheriffs.

    5. Drake   12 years ago

      Just when everyone thinks California is the most fucked up state, and the LAPD is the most fucked cop-shop - New Yorkers chime in.

  10. sarcasmic   12 years ago

    I haven't figured out the big deal about this model. She's fawned over in the DM on a regular basis.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....video.html
    Even by my standards she could use a few cheeseburgers. And her face? What's up with her face?

    1. DJF   12 years ago

      Its like modern art, different is considered to be the same as good.

    2. RBS   12 years ago

      Wtf, her eyebrows are thicker than mine.

    3. nicole   12 years ago

      And her face? What's up with her face?

      High-fashion models are supposed to be "striking," not "beautiful" per se, so you will remember them.

    4. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

      Even by my standards she could use a few cheeseburgers.

      She can start by stuffing them in her bra; she's built like a 12 year old boy.

    5. Night Elf Mohawk   12 years ago

      Nice body; not pretty.

      1. Restoras   12 years ago

        Disagree. I like her face but her body is meh. It's fine to be svelte but be svelte - not shapeless.

    6. Rich   12 years ago

      She looks like Sheldon on Big Bang.

    7. Killazontherun   12 years ago

      She has an interesting face, and an oddly proportioned head. Not a beauty, but she does remind me of the kind of visually stark waifs directors like Fellini would cast in the background of their films, especially from that set of photographs which has that fill to them.

  11. sarcasmic   12 years ago

    Ali Larter is still good enough to eat.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....class.html

    1. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

      How would you know when you can't see her in any of the pictures?

  12. sarcasmic   12 years ago

    Rachel Weisz makes a face.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....miere.html

  13. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

    Idris Elba wishes the ladies happy love day

    http://twitter.yfrog.com/ebiwqxyxfynxbufrkngdmttqz

    1. bostonaod   12 years ago

      That's good. That's like a 40-degree day. Ain't nobody got nothing to say about a 40-degree day.

  14. VG Zaytsev   12 years ago

    Police in Syracuse, New York, refuse to give city officials details of the asset forfeiture money they receive or how it's used.

    Independent financing of the police and military was one of the features of banana republics.

    1. Eduard van Haalen   12 years ago

      *Was?*

  15. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

    Sen. Diane Feinstein has scheduled a new hearing for February 27 on her proposed assault weapons ban, because she was unhappy with what witnesses at the last hearing had to say. Seriously, that's her announced reason.

    How soon before we start conducting criminal trials like this?

    1. DJF   12 years ago

      The British have already gotten rid of double jeopardy in order to keep having trials until they get the guilty verdict that the government wants.

    2. wareagle   12 years ago

      what did she say about Harry Reid's describing her bill as DOA?

    3. Bardas Phocas   12 years ago

      Can't she have those dead children's bodies dug up and prop them up around the hearing room. Then she'll just keep repeating "Something must be done. Something must be done. Something must be done."

      Of couse the corpses won't argue with her impecable logic.

      1. Pope Jimbo   12 years ago

        Where is Chuck Testa when you really need him?

  16. robc   12 years ago

    I few months ago, I was talking to my former boss. The person who handles the financial and HR and other such duties, told them she will quit the day they hire employee #50.

    They were 15-20 in size when I worked there in the 90s and about 35-40 now, so they arent that close, but they have no intent to get there either.

    1. Whiterun Guard   12 years ago

      Does her severance package come with a large dose of Eau d'Ke$ha?

      1. nicole   12 years ago

        Can we please not have every thread all day involve Kesha's pee? Please?

        1. generic Brand   12 years ago

          I don't know, it brings a certain amount of pisstique to every topic.

        2. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

          Seconded.

        3. Ted S.   12 years ago

          It's pissing you off, isn't it?

          (Seriously, I agree.)

        4. gaijin   12 years ago

          we peons can dream can;t we?

        5. SugarFree   12 years ago

          Never beg for mercy, nicole. They have no pity.

          1. nicole   12 years ago

            I just want a polling feature on the site now, if we have to talk about Kesha pee. How many of you assholes have peed on someone or been peed on? Huh?

            1. Brett L   12 years ago

              Sexually? Or because they were passed out at a party and probably deserved it?

              1. nicole   12 years ago

                Sexually, of course. I mean I'm just assuming you've all passed out in a bathtub in the middle of a party before.

                1. mr simple   12 years ago

                  Bathtub? That would have been a much better idea.

            2. Ted S.   12 years ago

              if we have to talk about Kesha pee.

              That's Kedollarsignha, thank you very much.

            3. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

              How many of you assholes have peed on someone or been peed on?

              Peeing ourselves is OK though, right?

            4. SugarFree   12 years ago

              How many of you assholes have peed on someone or been peed on?

              No comment. Srsly. You don't want to know.

              1. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

                So that's why your posts always smell vaguely of wee. Is it a Kentucky thing?

                1. Zeb   12 years ago

                  The entire state of KY smells vaguely of pee. They aren't sure if it is all caused by SugarFree.

            5. mr simple   12 years ago

              This sounds like a sensitive issue for you. Something you want to share?

            6. R C Dean   12 years ago

              How many of you assholes have peed on someone or been peed on?

              Does pissing yourself count?

              1. SugarFree   12 years ago

                Does pissing yourself count?

                "He likes the warm feeling,
                but he's tired of all the dehydration."

      2. sloopyinca   12 years ago

        Urine trouble if you keep this up, Whiterun Guard.

        1. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

          I see what you...

          Oh never mind.

    2. Virginian   12 years ago

      There was a great moment on Twitter of business owners lamenting cuts they would be making to get under the 50 employee threshold. The Obamabots then accused all of them of sabotaging their businesses because they just didn't want Obama's presidency to succeed. Plus, obviously, racism.

      http://twitchy.com/2012/11/08/.....oing-same/

      1. Atanarjuat   12 years ago

        Not to mention greed. They should just cut the higher-ups' salary, profits, whatever, until they can hire more wise Latinas or whatever.

      2. wareagle   12 years ago

        jesus on a cracker. With these folks, EVERYTHING is about Obama. No one does anything without considering how it reflects on Him.

        1. Virginian   12 years ago

          In many ways, it is a cult.

          1. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

            In many ways, it is a cult.

      3. R C Dean   12 years ago

        Its a marginal cost thing: the marginal cost of that 50th employee may be huge, depending on how much complying the employer mandates will cost the company. It will be very difficult to justify absorbing that huge cost and getting a positive ROI on that employee.

        1. JW   12 years ago

          Rational economic responses to an irrational political solution. Whodathunkit?

          Of course, the howler monkeys decrying this move know nothing about marginal costs, so obviously, it can only be treasonous.

    3. Zeb   12 years ago

      Gee, who ever could have predicted that? How is it not fucking obvious to everyone that Obamacare will retard job growth? And now he wants to throw a $9 minimum wage in.

  17. Rich   12 years ago

    A $1 million reward had been offered for Dorner's capture and conviction.

    As good custodians of the taxpayers' money, California *had* to kill him.

  18. Slammer   12 years ago

    The picture above of Feinstein is a practice run for her Madame Tussaud's exhibit.

    1. Tim   12 years ago

      Looks like she melted a bit.

      1. BakedPenguin   12 years ago

        Too much meth.

  19. $park?   12 years ago

    So, anyone here have firsthand knowledge of the Rochester, NY area? Just found out yesterday that the company I work for is closing the building I work at in June. There is a potential offer to stay with the company and relocate to Rochester but I'm not sure if I want to accept just yet.

    1. nicole   12 years ago

      Cold, bleak, empty.

      That's not the most charitable description, but I find upstate NY and much of PA to be very depressing to drive through, which is my main experience with them.

      1. Tim   12 years ago

        I swear you can tell you're in upstate as soon as you cross from Mass or Vermont. All the towns look like they stopped breathing in 1949.

        1. Tim   12 years ago

          On the plus side, I hear Rochester area is not an economic deadzone, and you get strong gun control laws.

          1. $park?   12 years ago

            I'm not against guns but I don't own any. Gun laws wouldn't be a sticking point for me.

            1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

              But if ever came a time you wanted a gun, you can count on having arguably the worst gun laws in the country to navigate.

              1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

                Chicago begs to differ.

                1. nicole   12 years ago

                  I would actually argue that NY gun laws are worse than Chicago, at least now that they've passed the latest bill. I have to jump through hoops, and I can't have "assault weapons," but I can still have a bunch of shit they can't. Like a fucking 12-round mag.

            2. Tim   12 years ago

              Rochester I think is actually close enough to NYC and it's economic aura that it could be livable.

              1. KDN   12 years ago

                Rochester is halfway between Buffalo and Syracuse. Saying it's close to NYC is like saying Philadelphia is close to Pittsburgh.

                I know nothing about Rochester itself, but the nearest major city is Buffalo, which is a smaller version of Detroit. Lots of American NHL'ers come from that region though, so if you're into hockey I'm sure there's some good rinks.

                1. Tim   12 years ago

                  I stand corrected, I was thinking of New Rochelle. Alzheimer's setting in.

              2. AZ   12 years ago

                It is closer to Cleveland than NYC. In many ways.

              3. Mickey Rat   12 years ago

                Rochester is a 5hr plus drive from NYC. People seem to have no idea how big New York State is.

          2. Killazontherun   12 years ago

            I have a good friend from Rochester whose sister went into prostitution just to stay above water when their economy bottomed out. They were from an upper middle class family.

      2. RBS   12 years ago

        Me too, in my mind it's never sunny or warm up there.

        1. nicole   12 years ago

          And I say this as someone who has happily lived in Canada and Chicago and likes the cold and the "north country" in general. But upstate NY is bleaker than an Indiana cornfield to me for some reason.

          1. Warty   12 years ago

            Upstate New York: Would you like some Ohio in your West Virginia (tm)?

            1. nicole   12 years ago

              Yeah, that.

      3. NoVAHockey   12 years ago

        I went to school in Ithaca. one you get out of town, it's blight for miles and miles.

        1. Spoonman.   12 years ago

          Me too. Never went to Rochester though, but everything in the counties around Ithaca is Mississippi without the sunshine.

          Same number of Confederate flags, though.

        2. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

          No shit. Cornell?

          1. NoVAHockey   12 years ago

            I was on the South Hill -- IC

            1. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

              Ah, I guess you can't come to Spoony and my secret parties. Though maybe you can head back to Ithaca for a weekend bender with us.

              1. NoVAHockey   12 years ago

                god, i did that 2 years ago with my college friends. and passed out at that Super 8.

                and they changed Moonshadows into some sort of night club. a shot and beer type place was serve drinks out of fishbowls. I died a little that night.

                1. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

                  I never spent that much time on the Commons. Too far from my apartment near North Campus, and almost as far from the lab were I spent the majority of my time anyway.

              2. Spoonman.   12 years ago

                I'm trying to figure out when to take the wife up there this spring for a romantic nostalgia weekend. But it's so damn long until spring reaches Ithaca.

                Ideally involving sneaking into Donlon and making out.

                1. NoVAHockey   12 years ago

                  i'd go in May or June.

                2. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

                  Go for Slope Day. Do it!

                  1. NoVAHockey   12 years ago

                    yes -- slope day. we used to crash that.

                  2. sloopyinca   12 years ago

                    Slope Day

                    Also, Auric, Slope is not the preferred nomenclature. Vietnamese-American, please.

                    1. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

                      Walter, he peed on my rug!

                    2. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

                      I.... don't get it.

                    3. sloopyinca   12 years ago

                      Context.

          2. Ted S.   12 years ago

            Ithaca College is higher atop Cayuga's waters.

            1. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

              I'm at a complete loss for why you linked that. Did you think I wasn't aware of IC?

              1. Ted S.   12 years ago

                I didn't realize you went to Cornell. At least, that's the implication I get from reading the subthread after I posted. I figured you knew Cornell was in Ithaca and were showing off. 😉

                (My sister went to IC.)

                1. BigT   12 years ago

                  Cornell '74. Baker Lab basement. Oh, the horrors. But I got to talk with Sagan a few times.

      4. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

        Wasn't there a small side discussion on the horrors of upstate NY a few days ago?

      5. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

        but I find upstate NY and much of PA to be very depressing to drive through

        Try living there.

        And add Ohio for the trifecta.

      6. Stormy Dragon   12 years ago

        I find central PA lovely to drive through. I just wouldn't want to live there.

    2. WTF   12 years ago

      Rochester, New York.

      Rochester was ranked as the sixth 'most livable city' among 379 U.S. metropolitan areas in the 25th edition (2007) of the Places Rated Almanac.

      But yeah, fairly cold and alot of snow in the winter, short summers. My wife grew up in that region.

    3. Spoonman.   12 years ago

      Also, I think NYS's income tax rate is 7%.

      1. $park?   12 years ago

        Coming from Mass, that's not a huge jump. My wife and I were looking at houses last night and the prices were insanely low. I can only guess that it's because property taxes are insanely high.

        1. tarran   12 years ago

          Good old Massachusetts: a government peopled with officers so stupid, venal and greedy that they manage to make the state less attractive a place to live and work than upstate NY.

        2. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

          It's because there is a ton of land and no one wants to live there. Where in MA are you now?

          1. $park?   12 years ago

            Springfield, the Western Mass city that at least isn't Holyoke.

            1. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

              Hey, you've...uh.... got Six Flags?

            2. Rasilio   12 years ago

              If you are in Springfield I can't imagine Rochester being any worse than where you are now

              1. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

                But this is a chance for him to get out!

                Sparky, what field are you in?

                1. $park?   12 years ago

                  IT, systems analyst.

                  1. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

                    Oh shit, you can find work without going to Rochester! You probably don't even need to come out to Boston.

                    1. $park?   12 years ago

                      Oh, I know I could find work in the area. That's most likely what I'll do. I was just trying to weigh that against a guaranteed job with a change of scenery.

                    2. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

                      The IT dept at my metrowest company is hiring.

                    3. SugarFree   12 years ago

                      "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

                    4. Brett L   12 years ago

                      "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

                      "I swear to Christ, if you read me one more line from that script, I'm flying my ass to Kansas or India or wherever the fuck you work and burning it down. Now put me on the phone with someone who doesn't need a script to solve my problem. " -- actual discussion I had with my ISP after moving for the 3rd time in 14 months and going through the same script every time at the new place.

                    5. $park?   12 years ago

                      "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

                      You know, I don't go around telling people how to use the Dewey Decimal System. I'll thank you to stop giving away trade secrets.

                    6. SugarFree   12 years ago

                      Blame The IT Crowd.

                    7. Rasilio   12 years ago

                      Hey if you happen to know of anyone looking for a Test Automation Developer or QA manager type I happen to be in the market effective 2 weeks from today.

                    8. tarran   12 years ago

                      Yes. I know a guy at custommade.com and they are hiring like mad.

            3. Ska   12 years ago

              Hey, is that Mardi Gras strip club still there?

              1. $park?   12 years ago

                Hey, is that Mardi Gras strip club still there?

                Yes, although one on the other side of the street exploded back in December.

    4. Raston Bot   12 years ago

      You should ask yourself, "How much do I love the Sabres?" Because if it's not a lot, then you may not be happy Oct-Apr.

      1. $park?   12 years ago

        Sounds like hockey? Do people really watch hockey? I mean, watch it like it's a real sport?

        1. Gbob   12 years ago

          It's near a religion around here. Granted, this may have a great deal to do with how bad the Bills are. It's a great game. Grab some beer, and I'm sure you'll find folks to explain the finer points of the game. (If it makes you feel better, there are some great minor league baseball teams with a great fan base in the area. Nothing better on a summer evening.)

        2. Mickey Rat   12 years ago

          Heathen.

    5. jesse.in.mb   12 years ago

      I have family in the Finger Lakes area just south of Rochester, and some family in Rochester. I do not visit them in the winter. Summers are humid with lots of thunder, spring and fall are really nice. There are a ton of vintners and brewers around the lakes, and a few distillers. I think it's really pretty country, but I don't have to live there

    6. Mokers   12 years ago

      I grew up in Central NY. Once you get out of New York City/ West Chester, the rest of New York State isn't so bad. I am actually going to guess it is a lot like Western Mass in terms of climate most of the year. Yes, you will get a ton of snow. Summers can be humid. Your closest metropolitan center is Toronto (2.5 hours away). That being said, there are stil a lot of nice things out there. Housing prices are good. It is bleak and sparse in places, but there are lots of state parks in the area if that is your thing. And bad traffic is when you can only get up to 50 MPH on the interestate. Finger lakes is great for wine and craft brewing is starting to pick up in the area as well. You even can get your gambling on at an Indian Casino or two. The worst thing about the area are the economic prospects, but if you have a good job already it is not a terrible place to live.

    7. Gbob   12 years ago

      It's actually a pretty nice place to live.

      The Western New York region is filled with architectural wonders, some great history, and incredible food. Cost of living is low (there are incredible home finds for under 100k) and the people are excellent. Winter is a bitch for those of weaker nature, but the summer and fall are better than any place in the US.

      Bad news is the state government. It's one of the most over taxed, over nannied, business unfriendly regions you can imagine. To get anything going you *need* the patronage of some political type. "Which politicians do you know?" is one of the first questions any start up gets asked. (Not making this up!)

      Buffalo is nearby, and it's a great town. I lived in Portland, Austin, LA, Denver, etc but I made my home here.

    8. RFID   12 years ago

      I live in Rochester. I enjoy it (save the retarded gun laws), although i dont mind snow or cold and I have friends here. Anything specific you want to know?

  20. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

    One for the lawyers: Ronald Dworkin has died

    1. $park?   12 years ago

      Isn't Dworkin the guy who created the Pattern of Amber?

      1. Phrygian   12 years ago

        +1 internets

      2. PS   12 years ago

        And fucked a unicorn.

    2. Slammer   12 years ago

      He chose to divide his life almost equally between Britain and the US, with a townhouse in London and an unusual 19th-century mews cottage just off Washington Square in New York, as well as a third home, on the island of Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, where he enjoyed sailing.

      1%er !1!1!

  21. h3k86qc35923   12 years ago

    "We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out," [San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon] said.

    Emphasis mine. There's no reason to believe he's lying.

    1. Tim   12 years ago

      Depends on what "we" means.

  22. Rich   12 years ago

    Feinstein has scheduled a new hearing for February 27 on her proposed assault weapons ban, because she was unhappy with what witnesses at the last hearing had to say.

    Serious question: What exactly was said that she's "unhappy" about?

    1. nicole   12 years ago

      Probably, "You a stupid hoe, you a you a stupid hoe" or words to that effect.

      1. Rich   12 years ago

        Yeah, I suppose she doesn't consider herself to be stupid.

  23. mr simple   12 years ago

    Jezebel applauds Obama's plan for universal preschool because some people have trouble affording day care.

    It's the bluntness that surprised me. Some people need day care for their kids so we all have to pay for it. They don't even try to bury that part anymore.

    1. NoVAHockey   12 years ago

      No, that part is open. It's the "we want more influence over your kids than you" that is still somewhat hidden.

      1. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

        Eventually the indoctrination will be conducted prenatally.

        1. $park?   12 years ago

          It will be a Brave New World when that happens.

          1. Rasilio   12 years ago

            As long as I can get myself exiled to an island with a good supply of SOMA and a handful of B- hotties to cater to my every need I won't complain too badly

            1. $park?   12 years ago

              I won't complain too badly

              I'm sure the Soma would take care of that regardless.

              1. Rasilio   12 years ago

                That and the "feelies"

    2. nicole   12 years ago

      Since the White House already covered the ways universal preschool helps kids, here's a breakdown of how it helps everyone else.

      Ugh. Good thing I haven't had breakfast yet.

      Amazingly, the commenters aren't huge fans.

      1. nicole   12 years ago

        Comments are still super depressing though. Do. Not. Have. Kids. You. Can't. Afford. It's really, really easy.

        1. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

          But then like, you have to be reasonable with your sexual decisions. And that's slut shaming, or something.

        2. wareagle   12 years ago

          nice sentiment but govt policy rewards people for making bad decisions. Can't afford that 5th child? No worries, man. Momma Govt is here to help feed, clothe, and care for the child while you go about conceiving number 6.

        3. jesse.in.mb   12 years ago

          I'm pretty sure I heard some proggies saying that having true choice means not being constrained by your finances in having as many or as few children as the woman wants. So Clearly you're wrong here nicole. The proggies say so.

          1. AuH2O   12 years ago

            jesse- There is a similar argument for abortion. The Jezzies assert that there should be federal funding of abortion (well, most want universal health care, with that covered as an option) because if poor women can't afford abortion, then they don't really have "meaningful access" to that right. Think if I asserted that my right to free speech was being curtailed because I didn't have the funds to buy up an hour of prime time every night.

            Its basically a repacking of Marx's argument, that political freedoms such as voting or speech were meaningless as long as you had to slave away from the man and couldn't just live your life how you wanted to, free from want, man.

            1. jesse.in.mb   12 years ago

              Oh totally. I like the structure of the argument though. It sounds nicer than just saying "If I choose to treat my uterus like a clown car you should expect to be on the hook for that."

        4. Zeb   12 years ago

          "Do. Not. Have. Kids. You. Can't. Afford."

          It's really amazing how much people don't want to hear that. As if no one should have to bear any responsibility for their actions.

          1. nicole   12 years ago

            Well I think it's the one people want to hear the least because they don't want to hear that they shouldn't have such a CUTE LITTLE BUNDLE OF OMIGOD JOY just because of base material concerns.

      2. Kant feel Pietzsche   12 years ago

        I received what I consider a badge of honor yesterday. (So, I'm easily entertained, sue me).

        A proggie who considers himself quite the intellect was extolling the virtues of Head Start on a friend's FB page. I pointed out that HHS' own study released in 2010 showed no discernible improvement in a single one of 144 parameters measured among 5,000 Head-Starters by the time they entered first grade.

        He hit me with a plethora of links as citations for his argument, all of which were opinion pieces which did nothing to refute my case. When I pointed that out, he blocked me...which caused everyone else to mock him soundly.

        1. playa manhattan   12 years ago

          When I get blocked, I know I have won.

    3. Redmanfms   12 years ago

      It's the bluntness that surprised me. Some people need day care for their kids so we all have to pay for it. They don't even try to bury that part anymore.

      They were plenty blunt in their praise for Sandra Fluke and her standing up for the right of women everywhere to have other people subsidize their promiscuity.

      1. nicole   12 years ago

        Can we please stop acting like the Sandra Fluke debacle had anything to do with promiscuity other than the retarded interjections of Rush Limbaugh? Christ.

        1. Quetzalcoatl   12 years ago

          +1
          She wanted them to subsidize all birth control, which would be way more expensive.

        2. T   12 years ago

          I thought it had to do with her falsely claiming she couldn't possibly afford birth control unless it was subsidized. I could give a shit why she wanted the stuff.

          1. nicole   12 years ago

            Yes, it did (well, "claiming," at least, and probably "falsely"). The idiocy developed when people acted like they didn't know that if you were on the Pill, you take it every day, and it has nothing to do with how much sex you have or how many partners.

            1. wareagle   12 years ago

              come on...most people know how the pill works. We just don't want to have to pay for someone else's.

            2. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

              Being on the pill enables you to have more sex/partners without increasing BC costs...

              1. Brett L   12 years ago

                Being on the pill enables you to have more sex/partners without increasing BC costs...

                OTOH, it greatly increases the public health dangers and costs by spreading VD more easily.

            3. VG Zaytsev   12 years ago

              The idiocy developed when people acted like they didn't know that if you were on the Pill, you take it every day, and it has nothing to do with how much sex you have or how many partners.

              She claimed that her birth control was costing $5,000 / yr which is why "her friend" couldn't afford it.

              Rush's about how much sex you'd have to have for bc to cost that much was lame but not as lame as Fluke's bullshit.

              And his ratings went up after the controversy so I'm not sure how lame it was on Rush's part anyway.

              1. Zeb   12 years ago

                It was pretty lame. Each instance of idiocy should be evaluated on its own. Two idiotic statements do not cancel each other out.

              2. nicole   12 years ago

                She claimed it cost $3k, which I said at the time I thought was high but not outside the realm of possibility if she's taking a name-brand pill and her insurance covers neither a negotiated price on the pill nor a negotiated price on a doctor visit to get the pill. I was an uninsured person on brand-name BC for a while and I paid $75/month * 13 = 975, plus about $300 for a doctor visit. So I think she was quoting high, but within the right order of magnitude.

                And my point wasn't that Rush was "lame," my point was that he was acting like the amount of sex you have has ANY bearing on the cost of birth control if your chosen method is oral contraceptives.

                1. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

                  my point was that he was acting like the amount of sex you have has ANY bearing on the cost of birth control if your chosen method is oral contraceptives.

                  There is a connection, but it's only relevant going from 0 to anything greater than 0. That still means the amount of sex you're having has an effect on your birth control costs. Yes, going from 5 times a month to 20 times isn't going to cost anymore, but going from 0 to 1 time will.

                  1. nicole   12 years ago

                    It's not actually going from 0 to 1 time, it's going from "zero possibility of ever having sex" to "any possibility of having any nonzero amount of sex."

        3. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

          Only when the left agrees to stop telling me that it's about women who need BC for legit medical reasons.

          I don't deny that there are many women who fall in to said category, but let's not pretend that it's any more than a minuscule amount of the sum total of all of those who use or want BC pills.

          1. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

            Just look at what it's called: the "birth control pill".

            1. generic Brand   12 years ago

              Time to redefine the terms. The left is so good at that. I'm thinking MC pill: Menstrual Cycle pill.

              1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

                Yep.

          2. nicole   12 years ago

            I'm not pretending it has anything to do with endometriosis or other medical conditions for most people; I'm saying it has nothing to do with promiscuity.

            1. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

              What's the point of being on birth control if you don't plan on having sex (and you aren't one of those rare women with some medical condition)?

              1. SugarFree   12 years ago

                Regularization of the menstrual cycle, minimization of menstrual pain and discomfort, and in some women it makes an effective acne treatment.

                1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

                  Agreed.

                  But we're talking about a small subset of those on the pill. For anyone to pretend that the vast majority of the women on it aren't on it specifically to avoid getting pregnant is disingenuous beyond all fuck.

                  1. SugarFree   12 years ago

                    I'm sure glad I don't have to justify my insulin to my employer's insurance.

                    1. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

                      I'm sure glad I don't have to justify my insulin to my employer's insurance.

                      Lack of insulin will kill you; a lack of sex won't.

                      And you do have to justify your overall food and health choices, as you have a metabolic and endocrine disorder, chronic and incurable.

                2. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

                  Regularization of the menstrual cycle

                  This is true. Most women don't have problems with multiple menses during a given ~28 cycle, however. It is appropriate for menorrhagia and atypical menses.

                  minimization of menstrual pain and discomfort

                  Lo-lovera and nuva rings aren't the only TX for this.

                  and in some women it makes an effective acne treatment.

                  So is Accutane and Proactiv (OTC).

              2. nicole   12 years ago

                First of all, because never having a period is WAY awesomer than ever having a period.

                But mostly because "having sex" has nothing to do with being "promiscuous."

                1. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

                  But mostly because "having sex" has nothing to do with being "promiscuous."

                  Oxford dictionary disagrees.

                  As does Mirriam-Webster.

                  Taber's as well, but I can't link to it directly.

                  1. nicole   12 years ago

                    That's only true in the most literal possible reading of my words. "Having or characterized by many transient sexual relationships" does not exactly describe someone who has sex all the time with one person.

                  2. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

                    don't be dense, Doc. nicole's point is that the mere fact one has sex does not make one promiscuous.

                    1. nicole   12 years ago

                      It's amazing that, what, a year later? we are still having conversations about whether all women on birth control are sluts.

                    2. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

                      Too right. And not just sluts as in a promiscuous woman - I think it was John last year who was claiming subsidised BC is essentially paying a woman to have sex and therefore she's a prostitute.

                      But then we all know there are some women issues around here

                    3. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

                      Yep...I totally became a slut when I went on the pill. It had nothing to do with, you know, being prepared just in case a sex partner came into my life. Women get all cray-cray and lose all sexual discrimination when those hormones start a-rollin in!

                      I honestly had no idea men thought women who were on the pill were somehow automatically promiscuous. Color me educated.

                    4. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

                      we are still having conversations about whether all women on birth control are sluts.

                      You're the first one to say that.

                      I'm just arguing that women take birth control because they want to have sex (but not a baby). Hell, that's the reason my girlfriend is on it. You're the one who is making the leap from that to "slut".

                    5. nicole   12 years ago

                      I am not the first one to say it. Above, Redmanfms (who later softened the claim) said that Fluke was "standing up for the right of women everywhere to have other people subsidize their promiscuity."

                      And my "we are still having conversations about" comment clearly referred to the initial threads we had ages ago about this. Where, yes, people absolutely did explicitly and implicitly say that women on hormonal birth control were sluts, regardless of actual sexual activity.

                    6. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

                      It's amazing that, what, a year later? we are still having conversations about whether all women on birth control are sluts.

                      I am much more critical of male sexual behaviour than female sexual behaviour.

                      Coitus is a bright line.

                    7. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

                      don't be dense, Doc. nicole's point is that the mere fact one has sex does not make one promiscuous.

                      I'm not, I am using a strict medical definition.

                    8. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

                      I'm not, I am using a strict medical definition.

                      Doc, any definition of promiscuity is going to be related to having sex, without it's a strict medical definition or the definition from a guy on the street. I can't believe you got called out for that.

                    9. SugarFree   12 years ago

                      My wife has had one sexual partner in 22 years and has been on hormonal birth control the entire time.

                      Is my wife "promiscuous"?

                    10. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

                      My wife has had one sexual partner in 22 years and has been on hormonal birth control the entire time.

                      Is my wife "promiscuous"?

                      No.

                      But no one else should have to pay for her to remain not pregnant. And her being on the pill likely is an advantage for you because she's able to have sex without fear of becoming pregnant. Removing that fear at someone else's expense would certainly have the affect of promoting promiscuity in some people.

                      That is the argument being made by anyone who isn't being a tool.

                    11. SugarFree   12 years ago

                      I'm not advocating they should have to (my subsidy joke below notwithstanding) but arguing that all women want free birth control so they can be sluts isn't going to go all that far with the considerable number of paying women who either want BC to not get pregnant in their monogamous relationship, use BC for other reason that have nothing to do with sex, or want it for the purposes of sluttitude yet are fine paying for it themselves (the bloated non-OTC prices notwithstanding.)

                    12. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

                      Is my wife "promiscuous"?

                      Is she faithful?

                    13. SugarFree   12 years ago

                      Is she faithful?

                      My cock tamed her years ago.

                    14. JW   12 years ago

                      My wife has had one sexual partner in 22 years and has been on hormonal birth control the entire time.

                      Do you at least know the guy's name? It is a guy, right?

                    15. SugarFree   12 years ago

                      It is a guy, right?

                      I think so.

                    16. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

                      Doc, any definition of promiscuity is going to be related to having sex, without it's a strict medical definition or the definition from a guy on the street.

                      In medical speak, this is called, "Establishing a baseline".

                      You either have sex, or you don't. One person, monogamous. More than one, but discrete and discriminate, polygamous. Indiscriminate and more than one person, promiscuous. What people object to is the dispassionate term perceived as a negative term, and it is not.

                      Simply stating the dull and dispassionate fact here.

                    17. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

                      Doc, any definition of promiscuity is going to be related to having sex, without it's a strict medical definition or the definition from a guy on the street.

                      In medical speak, this is called, "Establishing a baseline".

                      You either have sex, or you don't. One partner, monogamous. More than one, but discrete and discriminate, polygamous. Indiscriminate and more than one partner either singular or multi, promiscuous. What people object to is the dispassionate term perceived as a negative term, and it is not.

                      Simply stating the dull and dispassionate fact here.

                    18. nicole   12 years ago

                      A strict medical definition that specified "many transient sexual relationships," "an unselective approach; indiscriminate or casual," or "not restricted to one sexual partner." Which goes far beyond "the mere fact one has sex."

                    19. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

                      Which goes far beyond "the mere fact one has sex."

                      I did say, "Coitus is a bright line."

                    20. nicole   12 years ago

                      I did say, "Coitus is a bright line."

                      I don't think I understand your point here.

                    21. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

                      Sexual intercourse, heterosexually and male homosexually speaking, requires (organic) penetration, either rectally or vaginally, excluding male fellatio.

                      Yes, I am more than aware of sex via instrumentation, but my hobby horse is definitions, and the thing I disagree most with redefining terms to suit a particular axe-grinding agenda either way.

                      I don't really care how many sex partners you have, unless I am TX'ing you, nicole, and my statements are value neutral, but the act of coitus itself doesn't happen by magic.

                    22. nicole   12 years ago

                      Okay, well I don't think it happens by magic either, and I'm not trying to redefine anything. I don't think it's a redefinition to say that someone who has sex with exactly one other person for nine years is not "promiscuous," and being on the pill just has no effect on that.

                    23. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

                      I don't think it's a redefinition to say that someone who has sex with exactly one other person for nine years is not "promiscuous," and being on the pill just has no effect on that.

                      They aren't "promiscuous", that is the textbook definition of "monogamy". The point is, sexual health is a lifestyle. Full stop.

                      And I am admittedly a huge fan of it, medically and morally, and I have yet to find one documented medical case where someone died of a lack of sex.

                      Also, the pill does not protect against STD, which actually, is my larger medical concern here, and it amazes me how libertarian types suddenly become Chi-Coms and Soviet Russia Pinkos when even discussing sexual behaviour comes up, to the point of subsidizing it.

                    24. nicole   12 years ago

                      Okay, I think we are just talking past each other. I don't want to subsidize anything, I think Sandra Fluke is an immoral person for calling for it (and doing so in a particularly immoral way), but when she first got her 15 minutes it set off an absolute shitstorm of people here and elsewhere making absurd claims about the sexual habits of any woman on the pill. Which, as you can see above, continues to this day. And I will continue to call bullshit on it because it's insulting and completely stupid.

                    25. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

                      nicole, I agree with you 100%, I really do. I'm not pure as the wind driven snow and neither is Dr. PG, but the conflation of behaviour, medical, and fiduciary (insurance) is now impossible to untangle and has been for arguably since 1963 (CMS).

                      I was one of those people with whom it set off a shitstorm because it minimizes legit medical concerns (and others, like mental illness and pain), but when some firebrand claims a behaviour is a need and should be subsidized, then I have a problem.

                      I could write a book on this, and since people will not accept that in a free market society that some people will lose out, then the Commie shit comes out, and I happen to live in Commietopia and see it every day.

                      And I remind you, I am more critcal of mens' sexual habits than womens'. Just me making suggestions about condom use sets off a shitstorm.

                    26. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

                      nicole's point is that the mere fact one has sex does not make one promiscuous.

                      Absolutely right.

                      But I shouldn't have to pay to keep a faithful woman (one who has sex with just one partner) not pregnant any more than I should have to pay to keep a promiscuous one not pregnant.

                      And though being on BC shouldn't imply promiscuity, having it provided to you for "free" can certainly encourage it.

                    27. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

                      having it provided to you for "free" can certainly encourage it.

                      Newssflash...a woman who wants to have sex will do it with or without the pill.

                    28. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

                      Newssflash...a woman who wants to have sex will do it with or without the pill.

                      Seriously? No fucking way.

              3. Rasilio   12 years ago

                My wife takes it so she only needs to have 4 periods a year rather than 12.

                1. Warty   12 years ago

                  ALL WOMEN ON BIRTH CONTROL ARE PROMISCUOUS AND I HATE THEM

          3. Zeb   12 years ago

            The thing that realyl gets me is that not on;y must it be provided by all insurance, but it can't cost anything out of pocket. Even if it is necessary for non-BC reasons, why shouldn't it be like any other drug. Antibiotics are a whole lot more necessary in most cases where they are needed and somehow people manage to come up with the co-pay.

            1. SugarFree   12 years ago

              You strip away the religious nonsense and the progressive "everything must be free!" shit and you are left with a non-OTC drug whose price is greatly inflated because of the 3rd party payer problem rampant in medicine.

              There are two solutions: make it OTC and watch the price tumble to where the cost objection is eliminated (or at least mockable) or have it be covered by the insurance women are forced to pay into and employers are mandated to carry. Any employer that has an objection to it can refund their employees who object the amount that would have been covered. Clean hands all around.

              1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

                Making it OTC is the only sane way to administer BC.

                1. Zeb   12 years ago

                  "Making it OTC is the only sane way to administer BC."

                  Agreed. This whole stupid debate could be killed if they did that.

                  1. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

                    Agreed. This whole stupid debate could be killed if they did that.

                    Release Big Pharma of liability and your wish will be granted.

                    1. nicole   12 years ago

                      Release Big Pharma of liability and your wish will be granted.

                      If only I could!

                2. jesse.in.mb   12 years ago

                  I know someone who visits Dubai regularly, that's where she picks up her BC because it's the same stuff she gets at home, OTC and dirt cheap. They also sell ibuprofen 800mg there without a prescription (the horror!)

                  1. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

                    They also sell ibuprofen 800mg there without a prescription (the horror!)

                    That's four 200mg ibu's OTC. Any person can buy that at any time in the USA. Are the USA's math skills that poor?

                    1. jesse.in.mb   12 years ago

                      Probably. Even if it isn't the FDA certainly believes that it is.

                      I'm desperately trying to find the bit from Coupling where Jane says she's decided to end it and has overdosed on paracetamol, when they ask how much she's taken she says "two, the bottle says not to take more than two every four hours"

              2. JW   12 years ago

                At the root of this entire thing is that the Federalistas have stuck their all-knowing noses into this issue and created a problem where none needed to be.

                Make OTC or make it a choice for anyone. A real, fucking choice, not some tarted up Rube Goldberg system of insurance coverage.

                And fuck their free ponies, figuratively speaking.

        4. Redmanfms   12 years ago

          Alright, "subsidize their sex lives."

          1. SugarFree   12 years ago

            Just about the only thing I want the government to subsidize is birth control. 13 generations of idiots is enough.

            1. AuH2O   12 years ago

              THIS.

              Anything that discourages the stupid from breeding is worth it in my book. Yes, I will turn in my LP card, but seriously... the world is a better place with less children being raised by Jezzies, right?

              1. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

                Anything that discourages the stupid from breeding is worth it in my book.

                Define "stupid".

                1. SugarFree   12 years ago

                  Define "stupid".

                  Anyone who lacks the foresight to use birth control when they don't want a child.

                  1. Redmanfms   12 years ago

                    Anyone who lacks the foresight to use birth control when they don't want a child.

                    Just about the only thing I want the government to subsidize is birth control. 13 generations of idiots is enough.

                    These seem to be mutually exclusive statements.

                    If they lack the foresight to use BC, why would this lack of foresight change should BC be subsidized? Unless, of course, you forced them to use BC.....

                    1. SugarFree   12 years ago

                      These seem to be mutually exclusive statements.

                      Yeah, I guess they are. I still have no objection to subsidizing it and still think it will cut down on the amount of idiots. Or at least the amount of moochers.

                2. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

                  Define "stupid".

                  Anyone who thinks differently from ME!

                  1. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

                    Define "ME" then

                    1. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

                      The person I am and everyone else isn't.

              2. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

                They seem to be self-weeding out, no? I mean, they don't much care for men, and if they find the right beta, he won't exactly push for kids, would he?

                1. nicole   12 years ago

                  Do men have to push? I thought the point of these women was they wanted a really fancy doll and just needed some poor sap to give it to them. And then pay for it forever.

                2. Virginian   12 years ago

                  They'll let the beta raise the kids they make with an alpha.

                  1. Zeb   12 years ago

                    What do the gammas and deltas do?

        5. brlfq   12 years ago

          nicole,
          The fellas here call Fluke a slut and a cunt and other endearing names because she is an ideological enemy, and that's the most clever way they can think of to insult her. By attacking not her ideas, but her personally. Hope this helps.

          1. Kreel Sarloo   12 years ago

            There might be something to that except for the fact that those people who did try to make arguments based on ideology and economics were still accused of calling her a slut, denying access to birth control and generally making war on women.

    4. R C Dean   12 years ago

      Personally, I like the theory that is a giveaway to the unions. Universal Mandatory daycare = unionized daycare.

  24. Virginian   12 years ago

    That's the wrong picture. You gotta use the one where she points an AK of some kind at the crowd of media, with her finger on the trigger, and no one in the room freaks out even a little bit.

    But I'm the ignorant one.

  25. Caleb Turberville   12 years ago

    http://tinyurl.com/azbxl6p

    Image from one of the more odious Facebook political groups I have ever seen. Tell me again which State of the Union address took a hard line stance against unwarranted drone-based execution?

    1. Caleb Turberville   12 years ago

      Sorry about that. Let me see if I can find it again.

      1. Caleb Turberville   12 years ago

        http://tinyurl.com/bc2uspf

        There it is.

        1. RBS   12 years ago

          Is that from the Tea Party is full of racists and we hate them all because arrrrrrrrRRRgRGGGHH!!!! group?

        2. WTF   12 years ago

          Well, I guess talk of liberty and limited government would seem like a foriegn language to those idiots.

    2. Atanarjuat   12 years ago

      Of course hardcore lefties refuse to hear what libertarians have to say, they'd have to confront the evil of their own ideology.

  26. Rich   12 years ago

    Small businesses nearing the 50-employee threshold that triggers many Obamacare regulations actively consider whether to curb their own growth.

    A local talk show has recently had many small business owners calling in about how they're planning to lay off employees, cut locations, or call it quits due to Obamacare. Let the good times roll!

    1. Red Rocks Rockin   12 years ago

      "Let me be clear, we will support small businesses by ensuring they remain small."

  27. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

    Australian Customs wants its staff to dob in colleagues who are seen smoking marijuana at parties outside work, leaked internal documents reveal.

    Customs and Border Protection workers have been told that under the new ''mandatory reporting'' regime, they will be expected to report on their colleagues' behaviour inside and outside of work.

    more

    1. WTF   12 years ago

      "dob in"? Is that some sort of Ozzie slang?

      1. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

        Oh, I suppose it is. "Dobber" (ie someone who informs authority of another's wrongdoing) used to be a serious insult at school. Plenty of people still do see dobbing as a bit of a mongrel act. There was a minor Sydney crook some years ago who got shot. His last words were to the cops asking who shot him: "Get fucked." Even the guys who shot him thought he was a good bloke for staying staunch on his deathbed.

        we spell it Aussie, BTW

        1. KDN   12 years ago

          Snitches get stitches. Y'heard?

          1. Jordan   12 years ago

            Curse you and your quickness!

        2. Jordan   12 years ago

          His last words were to the cops asking who shot him: "Get fucked."

          Holy shit, that is fucking hilarious. Sounds like Australia's version of "snitches get stitches".

        3. Zeb   12 years ago

          So, the Aussie equivalent of "nark", I guess?

      2. Tim   12 years ago

        Dob in means to rat out?

      3. EDG reppin' LBC   12 years ago

        "Dob" is the common name for the Australian Flying Spider.

    2. Redmanfms   12 years ago

      Customs and Border Protection

      Ummmm....

      Australia is still an island, yeah?

      1. Quetzalcoatl   12 years ago

        Those Kiwis have canoes!

      2. db   12 years ago

        Yeah, what, did the sharks go on strike?

    3. $park?   12 years ago

      Border Protection on an island?

      1. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

        i think we consider the limit of our territorial waters to be a border

        1. Tim   12 years ago

          I'll never forgive you fuckers for what you did to little Nemo and his friends.

      2. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

        You never know what could swim ashore, jump off a boat or fly in, eh?

        1. T   12 years ago

          Unless it's more poisonous than the natives, it won't last long.

        2. Brett L   12 years ago

          In Oz, its probably poisonous or considers human flesh tasty.

      3. SIV   12 years ago

        If only Australia was surrounded by some sort of moat filled with dangerous creatures.

        1. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

          It's not much of a deterrent, frankly. We live in a region with a lot of people who want a better life, and some of them pay people smugglers to put them on small, dangerous boats that travel thousands of miles through dangerous waters. And quite a few sink. Some are discovered by the Navy or Customs and rescued, but unknown numbers die.

          1. Brett L   12 years ago

            So you're like the Florida of the Pacific.

            1. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

              Florida with pub rock, yes

              1. mr simple   12 years ago

                So you finally got pub rock 40 years after it started in the UK? Good on ya.

              2. mr simple   12 years ago

                Found a song about Australian Irish pubs.

  28. Jerryskids   12 years ago

    Small businesses nearing the 50-employee threshold that triggers many Obamacare regulations actively consider whether to curb their own growth.

    It was my understanding that the mandates set to take effect in 2014 would be based on the number of employees at the end of 2012 - if you have slightly over 50 employees, it's too late now to get rid of a few with the idea that you're going to avoid the mandates. And I also believe that the 50 employee rule applies to full-time equivalents - having 100 part-time employees isn't going to save you either.

    But it seems to me there might be a business opportunity for setting up some sort of employee exchange - coordinating the hiring and scheduling for employees working two part-time jobs for two different employers. Since neither McDonalds nor Burger King are going to be eager to hire full-time employees, an employee exchange would be the way for them to both hire the same worker for part-time employment.

    1. Don Mynack   12 years ago

      The way they will get around this is by "outsourcing" different departments of small companies, I think. For instance, if you own Widget Industries, you will now form another company called Widget Accounting, and move all your accounting there. Then, you corp-to-corp your money between them.

      At least I hope this works.

      1. Virginian   12 years ago

        Yeah, I figure that, for example, a resturanteur (sp?) will incorporate his two locations as entirely different entities.

        Then we finally go full Atlas Shrugged when they pass a law saying one man can own one company, no more.

        1. Rasilio   12 years ago

          Go a step further than that.

          Incorporate a Kitchen Business and a Hospitality business. The Kitchen business is the back of house, the hospitality business is the front of house. The Hospitality buiness contracts with the kitchen business to provide food to order for it's customers and rents them the physical space in the back of their restaurant.

    2. Night Elf Mohawk   12 years ago

      Use only contractors?

      1. Alack   12 years ago

        Doesn't work in MA, at least. Contractors have to be able to spend 20% of their time off-site and are required to receive health insurance.

    3. Rich   12 years ago

      there might be a business opportunity for setting up some sort of employee exchange

      Saving *and* creating jobs!

    4. R C Dean   12 years ago

      They'll be chasing this with ever more baroque regulations, mark my words. They'll be aggregating affiliates, dropping the minimum number of employees, reclassifying contractors, you name it.

      Good times for the lawyers, at least.

  29. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

    OT: Reasonoids, I need your help.

    Since it is V-Day in the USA (Valentine's Day is not a holiday in UKR), I decided to buy Dr. PG a "Promise Ring" (0.25 carat, princess cut, silver) and I need suggestions on how to present it to her tonight. (She likes bling and I called her fave jeweler for her ring size, unbeknownst to her).

    I also have decided to buy an engagement ring (0.5 carat solitaire, gold) for later in the year, if things go swimmingly (if she says "NET!" then gems hold value well).

    If she accepts my proposal, then I will buy the Groovy Hope Diamond (1 carat emerald, platinum) for a wedding (same rationale applies if things go south).

    I'm weird and have always had fixation with "3" and a few other prime numbers.

    Should I hide it in her fave food? In a box of candy? On a tiger lily (her fave flower?)

    1. tarran   12 years ago

      This is so sweet.

      It really depends on her personality. Does she like being the center of attention or does she get embarrassed by it? Is she an introvert or an extrovert? Does she like surprises or hate them? Does she like getting presents or dislike being fussed over?

      1. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

        Her personality is well, Russian (big help, I know.)

        She likes being the centre of attention, but also blushes easily. Introvert, but SOD help you if you piss her off. Loves (pleasant) surprises. She LOVES gifts, but not all the time (she has her own money). She loves compliments, but has an excellent bullshit detector.

        1. Tim   12 years ago

          Hang it from your piecred scrotum, that'll surprise her.

        2. tarran   12 years ago

          Give it to her in private. Cook her dinner, ply her with wine so she's pleasantly buzzed, and present it to her in lieu of desert.

          Then take her out to a movie/theater/ballet so that she gets to show off her new present.

          1. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

            Done.

            1. Citizen Nothing   12 years ago

              You're replying to the scrotum thing, right?

          2. Zeb   12 years ago

            I think that sounds right. Hiding it in food always seems like asking for trouble. Hiding it anywhere has the potential to go awry. AN unexpected presentation will be quite a pleasant surprise on its own, I am sure.

            1. JW   12 years ago

              Half the fun of food-hidden gifts is the sorting it out from the fecal material, later in the evening.

              1. Zeb   12 years ago

                To each his own, I suppose.

    2. RBS   12 years ago

      Hiding it in her food sounds like a good idea until she eats the ring. Just give it to her like a regular gift and save the extra romantic stuff for the actual engagement ring.

      1. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

        nothing a little home surgery can't cure.

    3. Night Elf Mohawk   12 years ago

      Just in a box tiger lily in food.

      1. Night Elf Mohawk   12 years ago

        Goddamned greater than-eating website.

        1. Rich   12 years ago

          I just thought you were waxing poetic.

    4. nicole   12 years ago

      Are you going out to dinner/making nice dinner at home or some such? Honestly I would just give it in a box. A nice box of course. It depends on her personality of course but all the "hiding" type things always seem to me like they have too much potential to go wrong, and you know if you get a little box it's not going to go wrong...

      1. Virginian   12 years ago

        I say go with what the chick says. Chicks know about this sappy bullshit.

        My Valentine's plans are slightly less romantic.

        1. Tim   12 years ago

          Doggy style and a bottle of Jack?

          1. Virginian   12 years ago

            Ha please. I borrowed a massage table and I got some anal lube. Boldly going where no man has gone before.

            1. nicole   12 years ago

              Virginian, I can help with this as well.

              1. Virginian   12 years ago

                What you want to hold her down or something?

        2. sloopyinca   12 years ago

          My Valentine's plans are slightly less romantic.

          So are mine. I think I'm gonna kill a duck, brine it for 10 hours and cook it for my wife. Oh, and I think I'm gonna try and make another baby later tonight since my parents are leaving today and heading to my sister's house.

      2. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

        agree with nicole. Don't be coy Doc - hand her the box with some choice words of love. She'll swoon, and that's what you want, no?

        1. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

          Done.

          1. Citizen Nothing   12 years ago

            You're still talking about the scrotum thing, right?

      3. $park?   12 years ago

        I'm sure he's hoping to get a little box, if you know what I mean.

        1. mr simple   12 years ago

          Diamonds - She'll pretty much have to.

          1. Brett L   12 years ago

            That's what every Kay Jeweler commercial in the last decade has led men to believe.

      4. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

        Yes, but I have only one shot to do this, and I don't want to be all "Your Doing it Wrong!" and possibly, "Good Job Breaking it Hero!"

        Are you going out to dinner/making nice dinner at home or some such?

        Going out to her fave eatery tomorrow. She's getting flowers, perfume, and candy tonight.

        1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

          There is no wrong way to present jewelry.

          1. Brett L   12 years ago

            Giving it to your mistress instead of your wife seems to end badly.

            1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

              The mistress would think it's pretty neat, though.

          2. Rasilio   12 years ago

            Is that a challenge?

            Cause I bet I could come up with one. 🙂

            1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

              Swallowing it and pooping it out and presenting your mate with a pile o' poop to rummage through, perhaps.

              1. Rasilio   12 years ago

                Oh I was thinking more along the lines of handing it to her wrapped up in a Positive STD test result

        2. RBS   12 years ago

          What KK said. Do not over analyze this.

        3. WTF   12 years ago

          Listen to the chicks, it's the safest route.

      5. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

        Done. She gets the ring in a box tonight with all the other goodies. She can show it off tomorrow.

        THANK YOU ALL!-D

    5. Rich   12 years ago

      I would go the flower route, Doc.

      Don't want a chipped tooth or a choking episode to ruin the evening.

    6. Rich   12 years ago

      I'm weird and have always had fixation with "3"

      Ever read Clarke's Rendezvous with Rama?

    7. Brett L   12 years ago

      Bottom of a bottle of vodka? She'll get there eventually, amirite?

      1. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

        Too dangerous (for me). Ever try to outdrink a Russian?

        1. Brett L   12 years ago

          I'm mostly Irish, I've tried to outdrink nearly everyone. Far more success most Indians (dots and feathers), Asians, and Semitics than Eastern Europeans.

        2. robc   12 years ago

          Ever try to outdrink a Russian?

          No, because Im not stupid.

          Well, not THAT stupid.

          1. General Butt Naked   12 years ago

            Sheeeeeit.

            All the Russians I've met turn into maudlin, angry babies after a few beers and shots. I think they like to drink salty tears more than vodka.

            1. PS   12 years ago

              All Russians aren't created equal. Ever seen Siberians drink?

              1. General Butt Naked   12 years ago

                I used to work in a bar across the street from a hotel and we'd get russians all the time (don't know why) and they'd always make a goddamn mess of themselves. Sure, they'd drink a bit more than the average customer, but then they'd lose all composure. This happened all the time.

                The Arabs that I know can drink all goddamn day, but they eat like 23 meals a day when they drink. Every goddamn 5 minutes new food comes out, they cook and eat like it's their job.

                Irish guys can usually drink a good amount and stay cool. English dudes, too.

                And I know one mongolian dude, and he can drink enough to kill a horse. He says his whole family drinks like that.

            2. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

              I guarantee you this little devushka, all of 1.52m and 37kg, can kick your ass with no problem, cap l.-) Drinking, chess, chemistry, your frick and frack...

              1. T   12 years ago

                English units when speaking to us heathens, please. I'm an oil industry engineer, and we're still using a proper system, not a rational one.

              2. General Butt Naked   12 years ago

                Groov, every dude in the world knows some little lady that can drink all the men under the table, but I've yet to see it happen in real life, so excuse my skepticism.

                My girlfriend used to say she could drink anyone under the table as well, and she could for the average drinker. But for me and my friends that's just keeping up.

              3. Brett L   12 years ago

                5 ft even and 80lbs? She didn't look like an 11 year old gymnast.

                1. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

                  I know her real weight, but she's vain,-) She's tiny, I assure you. (ahem, add 10kg)

                  1. Brett L   12 years ago

                    I thought she was an attractive woman and you were obviously being a gentleman and giving an unrealistic number so we'd say things like that.

              4. Rasilio   12 years ago

                Wait, she's 5'1" and 81 friggin pounds?

                That is like concentration camp survivor level skinny.

                Hell my 10 year old son who is 4'6 and weighs 75 lbs is too damn skinny

    8. The Last American Hero   12 years ago

      2 words: Flash Mob

    9. General Butt Naked   12 years ago

      Tell her it's her turn to play "proctologist" in the bedroom tonight, then hide it up there. Chicks love that. Maybe spray some cologne back there before the special moment.

      1. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

        We don't talk shop outside of work, cap l.-)

        Non-medical people play "doctor". I suppose medical people play "patient". HA!

        1. General Butt Naked   12 years ago

          Hey, my plan gets that ring on her finger in a unique way.

          It's a good plan.

          1. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

            PASS! (See what I did there?)

          2. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

            PASS! (See what I did there?)

            1. General Butt Naked   12 years ago

              Don't do that.

              You don't wanna have to fish the thing out of the toilet. Just hold it, man.

    10. General Butt Naked   12 years ago

      Is there any way you could contact Ke$ha, cause I have the perfect idea.

      Lemme know.

    11. Drake   12 years ago

      Do you have a shotgun?

      1. Groovus Maximus   12 years ago

        Benelli Super Sport II*

        *H/T Episiarch.

        1. Drake   12 years ago

          Nevermind, you are still in love.

    12. wakeup   12 years ago

      she has her own jeweler?

    13. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

      *barf*

      I do, however, like your marketing plan. With each step closer to oblivion, you offer a more valuable toaster. Nice job. Very capitalistic of you.

  30. The Late P Brooks   12 years ago

    Can we please stop acting like the Sandra Fluke debacle had anything to do with promiscuity other than the retarded interjections of Rush Limbaugh? Christ.

    First you whine about Kesha's pee, then this.

    Your cosmotarian nannying sickens me.

    1. jettblackpope   12 years ago

      What is this about Ke$ha's pee? Please, tell me more.

  31. The Late P Brooks   12 years ago

    Small businesses nearing the 50-employee threshold that triggers many Obamacare regulations actively consider whether to curb their own growth.

    This morning on Bloombe4g they were breathlessly nattering about Billionaire Warren Buffet's deal to buy Heinz. Somebody said something the rich getting richer in the context of large megacorps doing fine while mid to small businesses stagnate, and asked "How do you explain this?". This elicited a brief, awkward, interlude of confusion and staring off into the middle distance.

    Then they excitedly talked about the merger between AMR and USAIR.

    1. EDG reppin' LBC   12 years ago

      In the Bloomberg world, the only "real" corporations are those listed on the NYSE or NASDAQ. Those other corporations, like my Dad's medical practice, my wife's accounting firm, my friend's restaurant, and my other friend's printing shop don't really count. Things like Obamacare, and excessive regulation never cause them problems. At least according to Bloomberg.

      Side note Brooksie: I don't watch Bloomberg TV anymore. Listen to Bloomberg radio instead. Better hosts, more diverse guests, and better talk on economics/finance/investing. Bloomberg TV is just another corporate/government media outlet.

    2. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

      merger between AMR and USAIR

      Oh goodie. I can't wait to see what ugly-ass livery they come out with when that happens.

      1. R C Dean   12 years ago

        Already done. Not bad, IMO.

        http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/ww.....ange_4.jpg

  32. prolefeed   12 years ago

    From the link about Rubio vs. Paul:

    Paul, clearly not trying to win an election, condemned the president for having a secret list of people to be killed without a trial.

    In what twisted mindset is a Republican appealing to the pissed-off pro-civil-liberties portion of the Democratic base "not trying to win an election"?

    1. Redmanfms   12 years ago

      In what twisted mindset is a Republican appealing to the pissed-off pro-civil-liberties portion of the Democratic base "not trying to win an election"?

      The mindset of those who realize there simply is no pissed-off pro-civil-liberties portion of the Democratic base with whom to lodge a rational and reasoned appeal.

      1. R C Dean   12 years ago

        Oh, he may be trying to win an election, but getting a partisan cultist to come over to the dark side by challenging their most basic beliefs isn't going to move the needle.

    2. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

      From the mindset that actually believes that the left is "better" about civil liberties.

    3. Virginian   12 years ago

      The part where he thinks that the Democratic base actually gives a shit about civil liberties. The Democratic base is composed of people who make their living off the government. This includes welfare cases, anyone who works in education, the rest of the government employees, and people who work for nonprofits or other recipients of government funding.

      The people who are self sufficent, net contributors to the treasury and who also vote Democrat is a very small slice of people, and they will be easily kept in line with "Rand Paul hates the Civil Rights Act!" type stories.

    4. generic Brand   12 years ago

      Oh snap! I think you got your answer prolefeed. 🙂

      1. Virginian   12 years ago

        Yeah we kinda dogpiled there. Just had a crazy thought: Rand Paul/Ron Wyden ticket.

        1. Raston Bot   12 years ago

          Would you vote for a president Wyden with Rand as VP? I'm not so sure. Maybe, but not for certain.

          1. Virginian   12 years ago

            No, Wyden would have to be VP. He's an outright socialist, so my hope is that 8 years of Randonomics will bring him around on that front.

            1. Raston Bot   12 years ago

              Right but he would still have to get a bill on his desk before he could sign it. And Congress is not going to pass much socialist legislation when it's split. And he would tamp down the authoritarian attack on bill o' rights by threatening a veto.

              1. Virginian   12 years ago

                But Rand would do the same thing.

                1. Raston Bot   12 years ago

                  Exactly. It's the same w/ Rand. Congress is not going to present him with stuff straight from his agenda. He would no doubt veto more stuff than Wyden and would be better but I'd possibly still vote for Wyden if Wyden/Rand was a choice.

                  1. Virginian   12 years ago

                    Rand could do a lot from the Oval Office. Hell, pardoning every single guy in prison for victim less crimes would be a day one thing.

  33. Mike M.   12 years ago

    Actually, the economy is pretty crappy all across the Eurozone.

    It's the fault of all those right-wingers, who as we know control everything in the Eurozone.

  34. sloopyinca   12 years ago

    Here's actually a pretty light post (by my standards) on the double-standard.

    Administrators not sure if police officer will be charged for running red light and slamming into another car because his victim was driving without a license. That man, by the way, has already been charged with multiple offenses.

    1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

      Typically only one party in an accident is charged with anything, even if they both broke the law. Makes it easier for the insurance companies.

      1. Raston Bot   12 years ago

        Lomax was cited on charges of driving on a revoked license, having no proof of insurance and violation of the state registration law

        No failing-to-yield so there's hope.

      2. Zeb   12 years ago

        What's in it for the cops? Not having to answer questions from insurance companies?

        In the one accident I was in serious enough to have police involved, I think everyone got a ticket (mine was bogus and got thrown out after talking to some guy at the courthouse for about 10 seconds).

        1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

          What's in it for the cops?

          I dunno, but that's what the cop told me when he gave me a DUI after someone ran a red light and hit me while I was on my bicycle, leaving me unconscious in the middle of the road.

          Then again he was probably lying. After all, his lips were moving and that's usually a good sign that a cop is telling a lie.

    2. Virginian   12 years ago

      This kind of shit is worse in a way. Because when a cop kills someone, I can see how there is an incentive to think "Bob's a nice guy, he plays on the department softball team with me, our families had that cookout, he must have really thought he had to shoot. I can tell he feels terrible. It's done, putting him in jail won't bring that kid back" Very easy to rationalize.

      But this kind of shit....he ran a red light. It happens. Give him a suspension, pay the damages to the guy you hit, and let everyone get on with life. But they can't admit even the most minor fault.

      1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

        Last year I noticed a police cruiser didn't have functional brake lights. I noted the plate number and called it in when I got home. I didn't want to give the cop the opportunity to assault or murder someone for rear ending him.

        1. generic Brand   12 years ago

          I called Florida Highway Patrol because there was a broken box spring (wooden frame) blocking a lane on a major intersection. The person had to ask me at least 5 times which lane it was in, what the object was, in which direction of the road it was going, what lane it was in, what the object was, and what lane it was in.

          Then at the end of all that, he asked "Can I have your name?" and I said "Do I have to give it?". When he said no I hung up.

          1. sloopyinca   12 years ago

            Protip: next time that happens, call the radio station or TV station and tell them. The cops get almost all of their traffic info from them and you will not have registered a call to 911.

  35. The Late P Brooks   12 years ago

    I don't watch Bloomberg TV anymore. Listen to Bloomberg radio instead. Better hosts, more diverse guests, and better talk on economics/finance/investing.

    If I had Bloomies radio on my DISH/XM package, I might try it. I like "Surveillance" which comes on early. Tom Keane(?) definitely qualifies as well above average, as teevee business hosts go.

    I have reached the point where I have to change the channel when the obnoxious blabbering redhead comes on.

    1. EDG reppin' LBC   12 years ago

      Download the Bloomberg app on your smartphone. Tom Keene is superb. The redhead is a disgusting, little, government authority-worshipping, liberal twat.

  36. Raston Bot   12 years ago

    Robc-

    What do you recommend for adding citrus flavor to a wheat? My plan's to add 16oz of blood orange to a wheat beer in the 5 gallon primary so the fruit sugars ferment then and not later in the bottle. I've read this will lose that acidic bite.

    Thoughts?

    The only homework I've done is read this.

    1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

      I'd use a hop with citrus notes. Cascade and Amarillo immediately come to mind. If I was to add fruit I'd do it in the secondary.

      1. Kant feel Pietzsche   12 years ago

        I'm hardly an expert, but it seems to me that you'd have better luck with peel than the fruit.

        1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

          A friend of mine will squeeze a lemon into the secondary and then drop the two halves right in behind the juice.
          The only fruit I've ever added was blueberries, and it came out great. Then a month later the bottles turned into gushers. Good thing it was only a gallon batch so I didn't lose much.

          1. Raston Bot   12 years ago

            Gusher? Additional fermentation from the blueberry sugar?

            1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

              Gusher as in an infection that causes the beer to gush foam as soon as it is opened. Dead giveaway of an infection is a ring in the bottle at the liquid level that you can see when you hold it to the light.

              1. robc   12 years ago

                That or unfermented sugar that didnt quite reach bottle bomb stage.

      2. Raston Bot   12 years ago

        It's a 10 gallon batch with Cascade. Half will be straight-up. The other half is experimental so I'm thinking citrus fruit.

        1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

          I'd say add it to the secondary. The yeast will eat the sugar. However there is a real danger of adding an infection. The reason you add things like this to the secondary is that the alcohol content will lessen the chance of an infection, but it won't eliminate it entirely.

          Perhaps treat the juice with a Campden tablet or pasteurize it to be on the safe side.

          1. Raston Bot   12 years ago

            I was going to boil it right before adding it but going with the secondary sounds like a good cautious measure. Thanks for the input.

          2. robc   12 years ago

            Ive never boiled my fruit before adding to secondary, but yeah, there is technically a chance of infection from that. Not much though, and if it does happen, maybe it will be a GOOD infection.

            1. Raston Bot   12 years ago

              Not there yet with sours and intentional infections but in a year or so I may poke you guys for some lambic advice.

              1. robc   12 years ago

                Ive never done one.

                Once I get the pro brewery up and running, I might experiment with some sours with my home equipment.

                1. Raston Bot   12 years ago

                  What's your timeframe for going pro?

                  1. robc   12 years ago

                    It will happen this year. As soon as I can make it.

                    Im hoping to be fully funded before the end of February, but Im not sure that is going to happen. Im getting close to my "point of no return" target number though, in which its enough to commit without being fully funded. That I will hit this month (I hope).

                    1. Raston Bot   12 years ago

                      Awesome! Where are you?

                    2. robc   12 years ago

                      Still in KY, last I checked.

                    3. Raston Bot   12 years ago

                      Well good luck. I don't much about the craft market in Kentucky. Virginia's raging but not quite saturated.

                      http://beerpulse.com/2012/05/v.....breweries/

    2. robc   12 years ago

      First, before I answer, what yeast are you using. If you answer something like WY1056/WLP001/Chico yeast, I refuse to answer on general principle.

      If you are using a hefeweizen yeast, or a belgian wit yeast, or something with similar character, then I would recommend orange peel instead of the actual orange.

      1. robc   12 years ago

        The orange peel would need to be added late in the boil.

        If you are past that, adding the fruit to secondary is the best bet. Not sure how much citrus you will get though.

      2. Raston Bot   12 years ago

        WY3068.

        And you add the rind to the boil?

        1. robc   12 years ago

          Yes, I add it with 5 minutes to go in the boil.

          It wont give a huge flavor, but a nice subtle compliment to the banana esters that the yeast throws off.

        2. robc   12 years ago

          I use WLP300, which is the same strain.

          Thats a great, great yeast.

  37. The Late P Brooks   12 years ago

    Download the Bloomberg app on your smartphone.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Seriously; I have the dumbest phone I could find.

    The redhead would probably go down on Tim Geithner in the middle of Times Square on a Friday night. She loves her some fancypants overpaid investment bankers, too.

  38. Sevo   12 years ago

    Color the Chron surprised!
    "Ex-cops like Dorner may own banned guns"
    "Taking on the issue would mean challenging the politically powerful police lobby..."
    Heavens! Won't you think of the chilluns?!
    http://www.sfgate.com/crime/ar.....277196.php

  39. The Late P Brooks   12 years ago

    "Taking on the issue would mean challenging the politically powerful police lobby..."

    They're public servants. It's not like they'd attempt to wield some sort of disproportionate political influence to shape legislation for the benefit of their member class.

    What part of "Protect and Serve" don't you get?

  40. John   12 years ago

    http://www.theatlantic.com/sex.....em/273106/

    Occupy Wall Street is now going after the exploitation of little rich girls in Manhattan. Notice, it is perfectly okay for universities to charge these women hundreds of thousands of dollars for worthless degrees. But it is the height of evil for Vogue to give them work experience and a start on a career for free.

    1. robc   12 years ago

      I dont get unpaid internships. Ive never understood how the media/advertising/etc industries get away with it.

      Try it in engineering and watch yourself get laughed at.

      1. John   12 years ago

        That is because engineering jobs are hard and kind of suck and there are not that many people who are actually qualified to do them. A job at a fashion magazine is really fun. And there are thousands and thousands of attractive, moderately intelligent young women who are qualified to work for them.

      2. John   12 years ago

        And one other thing Rob. If an engineering firm offered to let you work for them for free in lieu of college, would you be more interested in such? I would.

        1. robc   12 years ago

          Sure. Its pretty much what happens with grad school. They pay you to go to school and you work as a teaching/research assistant.

          And I knew plenty of people who did that undergrad, they were called co-ops. Technically they got paid, then they paid for school, but it worked out the same way. And they had experience when they graduated.

          1. Brett L   12 years ago

            Its foreign to lawyers that someone would pay you to get an advanced degree. It makes them want to sue someone.

            1. robc   12 years ago

              If you have to pay for grad school, I think you have to consider that you are being scammed.

              1. John   12 years ago

                Not if you are a doctor or up until five years ago a lawyer. Those fields used to provide guaranteed good paying jobs. That is worth paying for. I don't think I got scammed by my law school, although if I were attending today I would.

          2. John   12 years ago

            Yeah. Drexal has a really good program like that. The thing is for business like media and law, college is a complete waste of time. People ought to do unpaid internships and be trained that way rather than going to college.

        2. John   12 years ago

          And essentially, that is what a job at a place like Vogue is. It is just a graduate school for people who want to be in that industry.

  41. Brett L   12 years ago

    Haha. Just a second ago got a IM from the gf. "Sorry I've been such a bitch this morning. The flowers are awesome!"

    Freely translated into man language: "All of my coworkers are jealous and that is way more important than thinking the youtube videos I send you are stupid."

    1. John   12 years ago

      Yup. Women love nothing better than to lord such things over their single or unattached coworkers. For them, flowers from a man is like a man getting a deer head stuffed and mounted to show to his friends.

      1. Stormy Dragon   12 years ago

        This is why I hate Valentines Day. It seems the day is less about celebrating romance than it is going out of your way to make single people feel like shit.

        1. John   12 years ago

          I agree.

        2. Red Rocks Rockin   12 years ago

          A buddy of mine actually called it "Make Single People Feel Like Crap Day."

        3. Brett L   12 years ago

          Eh. I don't give a fuck. She, and pretty much every other working woman I've known who is less than 5 years in a relationship want roses delivered to their work. Full stop. My objective is to make her happy, regardless of how ridiculous it seems to me. If she wanted the overpriced prix fixe meal at a mediocre restaurant, I'd grit my teeth, try to make it look like a smile, and do that for her.

          Do I think women are crazy for taking pleasure in other women's jealousy? Yeah. Am I going to fight natural selection on it? Nope.

        4. Quetzalcoatl   12 years ago

          Eh. Why don't you LiveJournal about it.

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