Reason.com - Free Minds and Free Markets
Reason logo Reason logo
  • Latest
  • Magazine
    • Current Issue
    • Archives
    • Subscribe
    • Crossword
  • Video
  • Podcasts
    • All Shows
    • The Reason Roundtable
    • The Reason Interview With Nick Gillespie
    • The Soho Forum Debates
    • Just Asking Questions
    • The Best of Reason Magazine
    • Why We Can't Have Nice Things
  • Volokh
  • Newsletters
  • Donate
    • Donate Online
    • Donate Crypto
    • Ways To Give To Reason Foundation
    • Torchbearer Society
    • Planned Giving
  • Subscribe
    • Reason Plus Subscription
    • Print Subscription
    • Gift Subscriptions
    • Subscriber Support

Login Form

Create new account
Forgot password

A.M. Links: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac May Need Another Bailout, More Federal Reserve "Stimulus," Seven-Year-Old Handcuffed and Interrogated Over Five Bucks

J.D. Tuccille | 1.31.2013 9:00 AM

Share on FacebookShare on XShare on RedditShare by emailPrint friendly versionCopy page URL
Media Contact & Reprint Requests
  • Pull out your mad money! Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are probably going to get another few billion in bailouts from the taxpayers.

  • Carmen Ortiz, the prosecutor in the Aaron Swartz case who once planned to ride her conviction rate into the Massachusetts governor's office, recently went to court to admit that her office arrested the wrong man in a gang case. He apparently looked like the guy they actually wanted.
  • With the U.S. economy limping along on the edge of a return to recession, the Federal Reserve plans to keep sacrificing hundred dollar bills to appease the prosperity gods. Err … that is, it will continue its monthly $85 billion bond-buying "stimulus" plan.
  • Wilmington cops face a lawsuit after reportedly handcuffing a man in his own driveway, slamming him to the ground and then tasering him. Stop resisting, you unconscious, facedown bastard!
  • California is number one — in terms of having the top marginal tax rate in the nation for residents considered "wealthy," that is. Please form an orderly line at the exit.
  • A seven-year-old boy from the Bronx was hauled out of class, handcuffed and interrogated by police for 10 hours — all over a $5 dispute with another kid.
  • Egypt's most prominent Islamic scholar got opposing politicians to meet and renounce violence. Uh huh.

Have a news tip for us? Send it to: 24_7@reason.com.

Follow Reason 24/7 on Twitter: @reason247

Follow us on Facebook and Twitter, and don't forget to sign up for Reason's daily updates for more content

The Rattler is a weekly newsletter from J.D. Tuccille. If you care about government overreach and tangible threats to everyday liberty, this is for you.

This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

NEXT: BlackBerry Announces Alicia Keys as Global Creative Director

J.D. Tuccille is a contributing editor at Reason.

Share on FacebookShare on XShare on RedditShare by emailPrint friendly versionCopy page URL
Media Contact & Reprint Requests

Hide Comments (420)

Editor's Note: As of February 29, 2024, commenting privileges on reason.com posts are limited to Reason Plus subscribers. Past commenters are grandfathered in for a temporary period. Subscribe here to preserve your ability to comment. Your Reason Plus subscription also gives you an ad-free version of reason.com, along with full access to the digital edition and archives of Reason magazine. We request that comments be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment and ban commenters for any reason at any time. Comments may only be edited within 5 minutes of posting. Report abuses.

  1. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

    Camden County Man Charged With Murder After Shooting Victim With Bow And Arrow

    Maybe now we can get universal background checks for pointed sticks and rubberbands.

    1. Ted S.   12 years ago

      Why didn't the laws against murder prevent this?!?!?

      1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

        Why didn't the laws against murder prevent this?!?!?

        They aren't prescriptive enough. It's the laws that ban the tools of murder that are the trick to stopping people from killing other people.

    2. $park?   12 years ago

      A POINTED STICK!?!?!?

    3. John   12 years ago

      Bow and arrows are military weapons designed to kill the maximum number of people. Good God, how many times do we have to watch Henry V before we ban these things?

      1. tarran   12 years ago

        Currently there are no laws preventing me from constructing a stealth catapult in my backyard.

        1. John   12 years ago

          Well the neighbors are building a trebuchet. How long before they lay siege?

          1. tarran   12 years ago

            Well, the town zoning board wouldn't let me build a moat or high, crenelated walls so I am kind of screwed.

            WTF do they think the are? Charlemagne?

            1. John   12 years ago

              The first thing any good king does is make his barons tear down their private, unauthorized castles.

            2. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

              Well, the town zoning board wouldn't let me build a moat or high, crenelated walls so I am kind of screwed.

              Living in the county FTW!

            3. Fatty Bolger   12 years ago

              Reminds me of the guy in St. Augustine who just went and built a castle after having repeated dreams about it. It was never intended as anything but a "remembrance to Christ" but has since become a popular wedding location. (An acquaintance of mine was married there back in the 90's.) It's pretty cool looking. Originally it had a plain concrete block look, but it has aged well and has a lot more character now.

              1. robc   12 years ago

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Castle

                The Castle of Versailles (pronounced Ver-Sales).

                1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

                  Even Justified gets Versailles right. You've no idea how much I appreciated that.

                  The castle out there is pretty awesome. Never been inside, but the outside is worthy.

                  1. Scotticus Finch   12 years ago

                    It used to be pretty awesome. The renovations to the "keep" are very modern-looking and don't match the outer wall and original towers. Now it looks like a Pigeon Forge attraction surrounded by a cool wall.

                2. Guy Laguy   12 years ago

                  some french people are building a castle in the Ozarks

      2. RickC   12 years ago

        What I want to know is what is the true definition of an assault bow? Is it one with the pulleys and aiming sights? Recurve? Long bow? Made of wood? Metal? Does it require those attachments that silence the string?

        And arrows, does it count as assault weapony if they're broadheads? Blunts?

        I'm so confused.

    4. Furburguesa   12 years ago

      Earl J. Hickey, is that you?

  2. Fist of Etiquette   12 years ago

    California is number one ? in terms of having the top marginal tax rate in the nation for residents considered "wealthy," that is.

    Phil Mickelson apologizes for this headline.

    1. Jerry on the boat   12 years ago

      Yeah, why is he living in some high-tax state -- what is he, a lefty?

      1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

        You just did something there...and I saw it.

      2. EDG reppin' LBC   12 years ago

        Golf clap. Literally.

    2. Romulus Augustus   12 years ago

      I'm surprised Phil has the time, what with perusing all those high end luxury home brochures that are flooding in from Florida.

  3. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

    Adult Film Star Ron Jeremy Hospitalized In Critical Condition

    The Hedgehog is down! I repeat: the Hedgehog is down!

    1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

      If he dies and the appropriate rigor mortis sets in, will they have to bury him in a "T" shaped coffin?

      1. a better weapon   12 years ago

        Better bury him 7 feet deep... just to be sure.

  4. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

    EPA moves to ban some rodent poisons
    http://bigstory.ap.org/article.....nt-poisons

    The Environmental Protection Agency is moving to ban the sale of a dozen rat and mouse poisons sold under the popular D-Con brand in an effort to protect children and pets.

    The agency said Wednesday it hopes to reduce the thousands of accidental exposures that occur every year from rodent-control products. Children and pets are at risk for exposure because the products typically are placed on floors.

    1. Bee Tagger   12 years ago

      ban the sale of a dozen rat and mouse poisons sold under the popular D-Con brand in an effort to protect children and pets.

      Protect the cats so we can neuter the cats:
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....51243.html

    2. Jordan   12 years ago

      Which has fuck all to do with protecting the environment. But anybody who dares suggest a slippery slope is just nuts!

      1. a better weapon   12 years ago

        Nuts? NUTS!? My god, children and pets could choke on nuts! BANNED!

        -Your loving caretakers at the EPA

        1. WTF   12 years ago

          I'm pretty sure nuts as well as PB&J sandwiches are already banned at schools, because someone's special snowflake might have an allergy.

          1. $park?   12 years ago

            They sure are in MA. No more peanut butter allowed in schools.

            1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

              My child's private school has not on;y banned anything that is nut based, but anything that was made in a factory where nut-based products are made.

              Really.

              1. Zeb   12 years ago

                Wouldn't it be easier and more pleasant for the majority of students just to ban people with nut/peanut allergies?

                1. Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz   12 years ago

                  By banning nuts we are only taking away from our children that great treat of all school lunches the - peanut butter bars.

                  THINK OF THE CHILDREN (that don't have peanut allergies)!

      2. Rights-Minimalist Autocrat   12 years ago

        I've long said that calling the slippery slope a fallacy is a fallacy.

        1. Numeromancer   12 years ago

          If you continue to do that, horrible things will happen.

    3. SugarFree   12 years ago

      I ate a bunch of rat poison as a kid. It was delicious. But my mom made me throw it all up.

      1. Rich   12 years ago

        Damn, SF. Did you wash it down with anti-freeze?

        1. Fist of Etiquette   12 years ago

          Bulimia is no laughing matter.

        2. SugarFree   12 years ago

          I had many misadventures as a child. I also choked once on a nickel and my dad's bright was to hold me upside down and shake it out of me.

          1. SugarFree   12 years ago

            *bright idea*

            But no one ever taught me to type.

            1. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

              no no, that's genius. A good idea? "My bright!"

          2. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

            When I was 8, I poked my eye with a stick. It punctured the eyelid but - miracle! - did not damage the eye. Plastic surgery repaired the damage. so far my only "under the scalpel surgery".

            1. SugarFree   12 years ago

              Does you mom throw it in your face at every family gathering?

              "I went to this really great restaurant..."

              "Did you eat rat poison? Because you ate rat poison when you were four."

              1. Rich   12 years ago

                It's a phase all moms go through.

                1. SugarFree   12 years ago

                  It's a phase all moms go through.

                  38 years and running is not a "phase." That's a lifestyle.

                  1. nicole   12 years ago

                    38 years and running is not a "phase." That's a lifestyle.

                    My dad is now approaching year 20 of telling people about the time my brother ate some shit he found on the ground outside our house, hoping it was chocolate. As bad as rat poison sounds, I think you're winning here.

                    1. SugarFree   12 years ago

                      I think you're winning here.

                      I think so as well. Of course, I also get the fact that I bit my saintly grandmother when I was three brought up constantly. And the whole family enjoys the story of me throwing up a banana in church.

                    2. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

                      What? And you survived rat poison? CANNIBAL BLASPHEMING MONKEY OF SATAN!!

                    3. nicole   12 years ago

                      That is fucked up. We have a saintly grandmother too and no one would ever have bitten her.

                      Banana-throwing, though, that sounds pretty sweet.

                    4. SugarFree   12 years ago

                      She says it was no big deal. My mother is a fan of of making me look bad in every way possible.

                      Oh, and if you didn't already know this: Everything is my fault. Even stuff that happened before I was born.

                    5. KMA Too   12 years ago

                      Man, I wanna subscribe to your newsletter!

                      Partying with you sounds like it could be a hoot, too.

                    6. SugarFree   12 years ago

                      Partying with you sounds like it could be a hoot, too.

                      My mommy issues make me a fun drunk.

                    7. KMA Too   12 years ago

                      Well, we won't invite her, then. Sound good?

              2. Tim   12 years ago

                Probably gave you immunity to the mind poison of politics.

              3. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

                naw... nothing but love. Though my old man skipped the ambulance going to the hospital. Instead he threw me in the back of the Chevelle where we apparently vastly exceeded the posted speed limits.

                1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

                  I can attest to vastly exceeding the speed limits when trying to get a kid to the hospital. For those in the know, I made it from Wilmore to the UK hospital in 14 minutes. On the old Harrodsburg Road.

          3. Professor Booty   12 years ago

            When I was a young kid, I fed my little brother Deadly Nightshade - atropa belladonna - cuz, you know, my parents told me not to eat it myself. Made sense at the time...

          4. fish   12 years ago

            I'd have turned you upside down to get my nickel back too you lousy nickel thief!

            1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

              +1 can monocle polish

      2. Night Elf Mohawk   12 years ago

        I ate a bottle of orange-flavored children's aspirin, so I have that going for me.

        1. Zeb   12 years ago

          I love those things. I'm surprised I never did that.

    4. R C Dean   12 years ago

      I'm sure the explosion in rat populations will have no effect whatsoever on the health of teh children.

      1. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

        Bring out your dead!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs

      2. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

        I'm sure the explosion in rat populations will have no effect whatsoever on the health of teh children.

        How dare you suggest that the laws from on high would have unintended consequences? Didn't you know that our bureaucrats are also our betters and couldn't possibly miscalculate their actions?

        1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

          I live in a state that is overrun by bugs of all varieties and that is becoming overrun by pythons. But they want to take away my poison and my guns.

          1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

            Gotta love lovebug season.

            /Born and Raised in Florida

            1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

              At least lovebugs just make a mess. And generally stay out of your house.

              1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

                I'll trade you all our box elder bugs for them.

                1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

                  Florida is like the Arrakis of the United States. Survive our fauna, and you're good to go anywhere but Australia. Where the sandfleas are lethal.

                  1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

                    Florida is like the Arrakis of the United States. Survive our fauna, and you're good to go anywhere but Australia. Where the sandfleas are lethal.

                    That sounds about right.

                    And fuck Australia.They can keep their deadly ass shit to themselves.

                    1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

                      It's like Death City there. Sorry, you stepped on a fish?. Dead.

          2. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

            Look pal. Those pythons are going to be your bread and butter. You should be thanking the powers that be for presenting you with such an opportunity.

            1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

              You're right, of course. One forgets when one has to fight off a python for the toilet paper, though.

    5. crashland   12 years ago

      Is there a child proof rat poison?

      So living with rodents is safer for the kids than showing them the poison and saying "don't eat this."

      Time too flood DC with thousands of plague carrying mice to eliminate the same dirty rats in power.

      1. Marshall Gill   12 years ago

        Time too flood DC with thousands of plague carrying mice to eliminate the same dirty rats in power.

        Wouldn't a massive outbreak of bubonic plague be awesome?

        1. BlogimiDei   12 years ago

          Already happened: "The Hot Zone"

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hot_Zone

  5. Fist of Etiquette   12 years ago

    Err ... that is, it will continue its monthly $85 billion bond-buying "stimulus" plan.

    Imagine how wealthy it will be when those bonds come due.

  6. Bee Tagger   12 years ago

    A seven-year-old boy from the Bronx was hauled out of class, handcuffed and interrogated by police for 10 hours ? all over a $5 dispute with another kid.

    Never owe money to someone who's mobbed up.

    1. Rich   12 years ago

      Frances Mendez, at home with son Wilson Reyes yesterday, is furious that he was handcuffed and badgered by police over a measly $5. She quickly snapped a damning photo of the scene

      and was handcuffed and interrogated for 10 hours for interfering with a police investigation?

      1. Ted S.   12 years ago

        STOP RESISTING!!!!!!!

      2. Fist of Etiquette   12 years ago

        The photo was definitely a good idea. Look what Ron Thomas of Fullerton got accomplished solely with a photograph of his son.

    2. Mike Laursen   12 years ago

      From the photo with the article it looks like they just happened to have a special pair of kid sized handcuffs around.

  7. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

    A Republican Senator in Tennessee has revived a bill proposing to limit mentions of homosexuality in schools, with an added clause that would order schools to report any student's "gay activity" to their parents.

    more

    1. Ted S.   12 years ago

      Example #5842584258036780437580258672765086738675 of why state-run education is the problem.

      1. robc   12 years ago

        Yep. 99.44% of all school issues can be solved by separation of school and state.

        1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

          Yep. 99.44% of all school issues can be solved by separation of school and state.

          And get rid of our hero teachers?

          1. Zeb   12 years ago

            I think non-state run schools need teachers.

            1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

              I think non-state run schools need teachers.

              They do. But those teachers aren't the selfless public servants that union card carrying members of the public government school system are.

        2. Marshall Gill   12 years ago

          How many times do I have to tell you guys? If you oppose the State educating people, you are opposed to people being educated!

          1. Dr. Frankenstein   12 years ago

            Paging M. Bastiat.
            Monsieur Frederic Bastiat to the white courtesy phone.

    2. Rich   12 years ago

      Campfield has also introduced a bill that would make families on welfare receive fewer benefits if their children have a poor academic record.

      Gotta take the good with the bad, I suppose.

      1. EDG reppin' LBC   12 years ago

        Where is the "good" in that sentence?

    3. John   12 years ago

      with an added clause that would order schools to report any student's "gay activity" to their parents.

      Mr. Jones, I am sorry to inform you but your son has show tunes on his Ipad and was overheard telling other students how much he likes Glee.

      1. Rich   12 years ago

        "Moreover, he evidently enjoys telling that 'Crunchbird, my ass!' joke."

      2. gaijin   12 years ago

        report any student's "gay activity" to their parents.

        So everyone who laughs joyously or skips?

        1. nicole   12 years ago

          Or does poorly in PE.

          1. John   12 years ago

            Joins the drama club.

            1. kinnath   12 years ago

              I hung out with the theater kids in high school. It's one of the best ways that a non-jock can get close to girls.

              1. John   12 years ago

                You are not kidding. I was really stupid as a teenager. If I had it to do over again, I would never skipped football and other sports and been in the drama club and probably taken up figure skating. Someone should have took me aside and explained that parable about the fox guarding the hen house.

                1. robc   12 years ago

                  I said this the other day, but 43 year old robc wants a time machine to kick 18 year old robc in the nuts.

                  But actually, I would go back 30 years instead and beat some sense into 13 year old me before high school.

                  1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

                    I said this the other day, but 43 year old robc wants a time machine to kick 18 year old robc in the nuts.

                    If I knew 1/10 of what I know now, I'd have been waist deep in high school and college snatch.

                    1. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

                      ^^this^^

                      I was too shy and well, too damn honorable. (I blame my love of reading King Arthur)

                    2. Zeb   12 years ago

                      "too damn honorable"

                      That was my problem too. Probably still would be if I weren't attached. Doing the things that people do to get girls has always seemed a bit too slimy and manipulative for my taste.

                    3. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

                      That was my problem too. Probably still would be if I weren't attached. Doing the things that people do to get girls has always seemed a bit too slimy and manipulative for my taste.

                      This x 1000

                    4. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

                      That was my problem too. Probably still would be if I weren't attached. Doing the things that people do to get girls has always seemed a bit too slimy and manipulative for my taste.

                      This x 1000

                2. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

                  My problem was I wanted to be Fonzie when I was actually Potsie.

                  Had a handful of band geeks who liked me, but I had to chase the cheerleaders.

                  Stupid!

                  Married the geek. Couldn't be happier.

              2. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

                I hung out with the theater kids in high school. It's one of the best ways that a non-jock can get close to girls.

                Band, dude.

                Those "One time, at band camp . . ." stories from American Pie are there for a reason.

                1. kinnath   12 years ago

                  No musical skills. But every stage production needs people that can stand in the background and not pick their nose.

                  1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

                    Most people in the high school band didn't have any musical skills either. I was one of the few who did. As section leader, I actively asked some of my section to NOT play. They didn't care, because between the actual band members and the flag/baton girls band was a pussy smorgasbord.

          2. John   12 years ago

            It really is a South Park episode. Cartman goes around informing on everyone for "gay activity".

          3. Heroic Mulatto   12 years ago

            Or does poorly in PE.

            Yes, because a bunch of dudes in tights slapping each other's asses when they throw a ball well and then jumping in a big dogpile is the most hetero thing ever.

            1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

              Yes, because a bunch of dudes in tights slapping each other's asses when they throw a ball well and then jumping in a big dogpile is the most hetero thing ever.

              It's always been my theory that sports, particularly contact sports, are the social outlet development specifically for the purpose of exercising our homosocial tendencies in a socially acceptable manner. It's how we get our Greek on without the fear of being called a fag.

              1. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

                I think it was Robert Graves who said something about boys schools fostering homosexuality. With no girls around there has to be a sexual outlet somewhere.

              2. Enough About Palin   12 years ago

                There is no sport gayer than wrestling.

                1. SIV   12 years ago

                  Soccer

                  1. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

                    nowt effeminate about football, son

                2. sloopyinca   12 years ago

                  Gay Olympics!

    4. Restoras   12 years ago

      It's idiotic shit like this that prevents me from moving to places like Tennessee.

      1. Rights-Minimalist Autocrat   12 years ago

        That, and the country music.

      2. SIV   12 years ago

        You don't have idiot legislators in your state? Or are you a closeted gay public school student?

        1. Restoras   12 years ago

          Oh I have plenty of idiotic legislators here. I'm just not down with quasi-persecution of teh gays. I assume (yes, I know that's a bad idea) that this asshat is doing so to win votes, leading me to assume (2nd deriviative assumptions are almost always wrong, I know) that the people being kowtowed like this idea and are ZOMG rabidly anti-gay.

          A little rational thinking leads me to believe that, generally speaking, most people don't give a crap what anyone else does with their business - unless you are a left/right-wing douchebag.

          1. BlogimiDei   12 years ago

            "left/right-wing douchebag"

            That's IT!

            Ridilin for everyone!

    5. a better weapon   12 years ago

      I googled this story and its shocking how quickly its growing legs. It shouldn't continue to amaze me that a no-name republican state senator can fart and make news, but a US senator can exploit underage, 2nd world hookers and avoid scrutiny so long as he's a democrat.

      1. a better weapon   12 years ago

        Why do the religious nuts have to be so goddamn active in politics? I can't wait for the religious faction of the GOP to enter hospice care so the party can finally be turned over to the libertarian wing, the only active and enthusiastic group they'll have left.

        1. SIV   12 years ago

          Except for that huge overlap between the religious and libertarian factions that elects the handful of libertarian- leaners we have in Congress.

          1. a better weapon   12 years ago

            I never understood the overlap to be significant at all because of the gay marriage issue. Did I miss some sort of game-changing truce last election cycle?

      2. NeonCat   12 years ago

        A STRAIGHT US Senator, thank you very much. If he'd been soliciting the lads of D.R. I'm sure he'd attract more notice.

    6. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

      with an added clause that would order schools to report any student's "gay activity" to their parents.

      They just can't help themselves can they? Like a moth to the flame.

      Must. Touch. Third. Rail.

  8. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

    Trillion-dollar deficits are sustainable for now, unfortunately
    http://www.aei.org/article/eco.....nately-ft/

    The real danger facing American policy makers is, contrary to the cries of imminent "crisis" and "unsustainable" deficits, and debt accumulation, the current sustainability of trillion-dollar deficits, thanks to very low borrowing costs relative to GDP growth. Eventually, the Federal Reserve's QE program of large government debt purchases at a current rate of $800bn per year, largely aimed at sustaining the growth of outlays on entitlements that do not support economic growth, will cause inflation to rise. The Fed's latest move to target the unemployment rate with more quantitative easing only adds to the threat of inflation because the only way monetary policy can affect growth or employment is by engineering a higher-than-expected rate of inflation.

    Despite the current absence of rising inflation, Washington is flirting with a debt trap, where abrupt austerity forced by the sequester and/or a government shutdown would actually boost the ratio of debt to GDP by depressing growth too rapidly.

    1. Drake   12 years ago

      In unrelated news: "U.S. Economy Unexpectedly Contracts in Fourth Quarter"

      http://www.cnbc.com/id/100419252

      1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

        How is it that everything bad that ever happens in "unexpected?" How can analysts and policymakers be so wrong so much of the fucking time yet still retain their jobs?

        Jesus Fucking Christ.

        1. Drake   12 years ago

          I would find it to be "unexpected" if the economy grows this quarter. In the business world, it is pretty obvious the economy has pretty well stopped.

      2. WhatAboutBob   12 years ago

        More good news:

        Government Expenditures Plus Transfer Payments Equals 40% of GDP; GDP Shocking Downward Surprise; Don't Worry It's Transitory

    2. Matrix   12 years ago

      What the hell are we going to do when interest alone eats up 100%+ of revenue?

      1. Drake   12 years ago

        Borrow more - duh!

      2. Jersey Patriot   12 years ago

        Roll over the debt to the Federal Reserve, which is legally required to refund all interest to the Treasury.

    3. R C Dean   12 years ago

      Washington is flirting with a debt trap,

      Actually, I think Washington slipped it a roofie and now has the debt trap handcuffed in its dungeon.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   12 years ago

    Wilmington cops face a lawsuit after reportedly handcuffing a man in his own driveway, slamming him to the ground and then tasering him.

    Yeah, that seems like a civil matter.

    1. Tim   12 years ago

      Why do we torture people on a driveway and drive on a tortureway?

      1. mr lizard   12 years ago

        Damn you for my now coffee-scented nasal passages

  10. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

    Uranus takes a pounding more frequently than thought
    http://www.dvice.com/archives/.....ow-why.php

    The only reliable way to change the tilt of one planet is to smash it with another planet of comparable size. While planets running into other planets isn't something that happens very often nowadays, back in the tempestuous youth of the solar system, it was relatively common: a planet the size of Mars hitting Earth four and a half billion years ago probably blasted off enough stuff to form the moon, for example. But with Uranus, one collision big enough to knock the entire planet sideways would also have screwed up Uranus' system of moons, which isn't the case.

    1. Ted S.   12 years ago

      Obviously, the collision that caused the axis to tilt happened before the collisions/gravitational captures that created the moons.

    2. Jerry on the boat   12 years ago

      It's Warty who is skewing the statistics.

    3. Michael S. Langston   12 years ago

      lol @

      "The only reliable way to change the tilt of one planet is to smash it with another planet of comparable size."

      What about slightly nudging it with a planet 3 times it's size?

      What about just bring a super-massive black hole nearby?

      Exploding star?

      Intergalactic spaceship?

  11. Bee Tagger   12 years ago

    California is number one ? in terms of having the top marginal tax rate in the nation for residents considered "wealthy," that is. Please form an orderly line at the exit.

    So what you're saying is that they need to block just one more exit to make sure this grand experiment works?

  12. sarcasmic   12 years ago

    New York City's finest are sued after they handcuff a seven year old boy to the wall and interrogate him for hours.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....llion.html

    Nothing else happened.

    1. Ted S.   12 years ago

      Do you actually read the text of the Morning Links? :-p Mr. Tucksilly included this story as one of the links.

      1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

        I saw that just after I posted the link.

        1. Ted S.   12 years ago

          Obviously you're posting just to increase your post count. :-p

    2. Professor Booty   12 years ago

      I had an interesting run-in with some of the Portland cops a couple nights ago, Sarc. Reminded me of you.

      1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

        Do tell...

  13. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

    An Eagan lawyer is suspended indefinitely after having an affair with a client whom he represented in a divorce, then billing her for time they spent having sex.

    more

    1. Fist of Etiquette   12 years ago

      A man who represents himself has a fool for a pimp.

    2. DJF   12 years ago

      What is wrong with this? Lawyers are whores and he just wanted to get paid.

    3. Ted S.   12 years ago

      Obviously, it wasn't in the procedures that you don't have sex with your client and then bill him/her for it.

      1. DJF   12 years ago

        Probably had something to do with how billable hours was calculated. He was charging her hours for sex when in fact his legal secretary was researching sex positions on the internet.

  14. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

    Carmen Ortiz, the prosecutor in the Aaron Swartz case who once planned to ride her conviction rate into the Massachusetts governor's office, recently went to court to admit that her office arrested the wrong man in a gang case. He apparently looked like the guy they actually wanted.

    Was he a Chinaman? because you know it's hard to tell those guys apart.

    1. R C Dean   12 years ago

      Carmen Ortiz is going to face a hell of an internet/hacker shitstorm if she ever runs for office.

      So I hope she does.

      1. Raston Bot   12 years ago

        of course she'll run. and team blue will lick her bung and shit on swartz.

  15. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

    The Cost of Obama's Regulatory Explosion
    Nearly double the cost of the first three years of Bush and Clinton combined.
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/.....98918.html

    In fact, as the chart below shows, the costs of "major" regulations ? those estimated to cost at least $100 million in any one year (in 2001 dollars) ? issued by the Obama administration in its first three years nearly tripled the cost of those issued by the Clinton administration in its first three years, nearly quintupled the cost of those issued by the George W. Bush administration in its first three years, and nearly doubled the cost of those issued by Bush and Clinton combined. Again, that's according to the Obama White House's own tallies.

    1. Jordan   12 years ago

      Impossible. Obama is Number One Capitalist, according to Comrade Shriek.

    2. NeonCat   12 years ago

      Did anyone else notice that's the Kenyan flag behind his right shoulder in the picture accompanying the article?

    3. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

      Feature, not a bug.

      /The One

  16. sarcasmic   12 years ago

    Olivia Wilde. Yum.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....cover.html

    1. robc   12 years ago

      Of chicks who acted on House, I will take Jennifer Morrison any day.

      On a slightly unrelated topic, any one else catch the 1st episode of The Americans last night?

      I enjoyed it far more than I expected. I like the period. Its set in 1981, Reagan has just taken office and the Russians are freaking out over it. Plus, they used period music.

      I realized the daughter in the show, would be just about my age at the time, actually, 1 year older, as she is 13 in 1981 and I was 12.

      1. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

        comedy? drama?

        1. robc   12 years ago

          Drama. Although it stars Keri Russell, so maybe its a comedy.

          Its about two Russian spies who have been living as a married couple in NoVa since the early 60s.

          1. RBS   12 years ago

            Damn it, I forgot it started last night. Does it seem like it will be worth following?

            1. robc   12 years ago

              Yeah, I think so. I set it as a series recording on my DVR. But Im easy that way, but if it bores me, it will get deleted soon enough.

              I bet they re-air the pilot sometime this week, it is cable.

              One unintentional hilarious (in a sad way) scene, they are arguing about their kids and how they agreed to not tell them anything and let them have their own lives.

              Wife: They can be a different kind of Americans, socialist or ...
              Husband: No they wont, this place doesnt create socialists.

              That may not be word for word, but clearly he didnt anticipate Obama.

              Also, there is a flashback scene of them at a motel when they first arrive in America and complaining about the climate. Then they discover the AC in the motel, and they just stand in front of it, enjoying the amazing cold air box.

              1. RBS   12 years ago

                The 80's were a simpler time...

                Cool, I'll check it out. I just have to be pretty selective these days since I don't have too much time to waste on bad tv.

      2. Bee Tagger   12 years ago

        I thought Cameron, the character, was the best female character they had. Thirteen was a slight step down and then they really tumbled after that. Although, I'm probably the only person in existence who thought Masters could have been interesting had she stuck around longer.

        1. SugarFree   12 years ago

          And with Masters we could have had the spectacle of watching Amber Tamblyn's ass get noticeably fatter every episode. That lab coat was doing God's work for some of the chubbiest hips in America.

        2. robc   12 years ago

          I kind of liking the new characters from the last season, even though the show was obviously dead, I liked them better than group 2.

        3. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

          Me, too, though they would occasionally forget her character and have her do things that made no sense for her. I think the random event generator they occasionally used for House got misplaced.

      3. WTF   12 years ago

        I was 22 in 1981. I may have to watch it out of curiousity to see what they get right and what they get wrong.

        1. robc   12 years ago

          Architecture, for one thing.

          The elementary school looks exactly like what I remember the ones built in 1960s/70s looking light.

          Im not sure they have the clothes right. But the suits look about right.

          1. SIV   12 years ago

            Does it have lots of chicks walking around in shiny spandex with goofy headbands and legwarmers?
            That is what I remember from 1981

            1. robc   12 years ago

              I think that is a few years later, IIRC. In 1981, we still werent over the 70s entirely.

              1. SIV   12 years ago

                As a noted fashion blogger the shiny metallic spandex first apppeared in public as swimsuits, disco pants and dancewear in the mid/late 1970s.The early 1980s was the period in which women would actually shop at the grocery store and go to class and such ostensibly on their way to and from aerobics class but actually looking trying to look like a bunch of science fiction hookers of the future.

            2. robc   12 years ago

              The cars are period accurate, there was even a joke about not buying a japanese tiny car.

        2. Matrix   12 years ago

          I was born in 1981, so I don't have much recollection of the time period.

          1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

            I was born in 1981, so I don't have much recollection of the time period.

            I wouldn't worry about it. Your birth probably isn't worth remembering anyways.

  17. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

    The Fiat Dow
    http://www.nysun.com/editorial.....dow/88174/

    We are by no means the first to ponder this point. There is a whole Web site that charts the Dow in gold. The value of the Dow was actually 44 ounces of gold as recently as 2000. So the drop is not small. Congressman Ron Paul marked this point in March 2011, when he was chairman of the House monetary affairs subcommittee and was questioning the Chairman Bernanke. We'd but add that one could call the index that is nearing 14,000 the "Fiat Dow."

    There has to be some explanation, after all, for the fact that even though the Dow is within a whisker of 14,000, no one seems to be jumping for joy. Nominally the Dow is at the highest point in its history but few, if anyone, around town are popping Champagne. One could call it the Obama Dow, but that would be unfair to the president. For the collapse of the value of the Dow ? not the number, but the value in ounces of gold ? didn't start on his watch.

    1. John   12 years ago

      The Fiat Dow

      Is that a new car model?

    2. robc   12 years ago

      Looks like the Gold Dow bottomed out at the end of Carter, and was on a pretty consistent rise thru Reagan/Bush1/Clinton. A steeper rise than Truman/Eisenhower/Kennedy.

    3. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

      For the collapse of the value of the Dow ? not the number, but the value in ounces of gold ? didn't start on his watch.

      BOOOOOOOOOSH!

    4. VG Zaytsev   12 years ago

      But gold is only for igrunt yokels and christfags.

  18. sarcasmic   12 years ago

    NYPD officer kills self after female boss forced him into an affair.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....edule.html

    Yeah, sure. Whatever you say.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   12 years ago

      And that boss? Carmen Ortiz.

    2. Ted S.   12 years ago

      Nothing else happened.

  19. $park?   12 years ago

    Carmen Ortiz, the prosecutor in the Aaron Swartz case who once planned to ride her conviction rate into the Massachusetts governor's office, recently went to court to admit that her office arrested the wrong man in a gang case. He apparently looked like the guy they actually wanted.

    I don't blame her. They all look the same to me too.

  20. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

    Same-sex marriage can help save the institution
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....story.html

    Blankenhorn still believes, as do most Americans, that a child benefits most from a loving mother and father committed in marriage. The U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child even has designated this arrangement as a right. "Marriage," Blankenhorn has written, "is a gift that society bestows on its children."

    But this gift has been badly damaged or, too often these days, withheld. Moreover, many same-sex couples today also have children. It is simply not possible to justify offering societal protections to only certain children. As Blankenhorn has recognized, it is in everyone's best interest that all children in all families have the security of parents committed through marriage with all its attendant rights and responsibilities.

    1. a better weapon   12 years ago

      I've always observed gay couples to be as equally or less committed to their partners than hetero couple. If my gay friends and their friends are any indication, the institution of marriage won't be faring better any time soon.

  21. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

    Possibly the greatest testimonial to a lawyer's skills ever

    1. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

      priceless

    2. db   12 years ago

      That's one for the Hall of Fame for sure.

  22. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

    Yikes! Economy shrank in fourth quarter for the first time since '09
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....9/?hpid=z1

    Overall, it was a bad quarter for the U.S. economy, but not nearly as bad as the overall negative number would suggest.

    "The economy ended 2012 on a very sluggish pace, even though onetime factors put the number below the trend," said Kathy Bostjancic, an economist at the Conference Board. Markets were little affected by the news, with the Standard & Poor's 500 index down 0.1 percent at 11:50 a.m.

    GDP is the broadest measure of economic output, aiming to capture the value of goods and services produced within U.S. borders during a given time. The data over the last three years show an economy stuck in a pattern of steady growth that's not strong enough to significantly push down unemployment nor weak enough to sink the nation into a new recession.

    1. John   12 years ago

      But Shreek and Tony and all of the media assured me the economy was doing great. You mean they were lying?

      1. Jeff   12 years ago

        Not lying, just stupid and deluded.

      2. Palin's Buttplug   12 years ago

        But let's look under the hood. The overall number disguises strong consumer spending and business investment in equipment and software, which zoomed upward.

        You could even say the strength of consumer spending and business capital expenditures is the bigger surprise, more than the contraction. Why? Because the fourth quarter also featured a bitter presidential contest and a Washington battle royale over the fiscal cliff, both of which dampened consumer and corporate confidence.

        The healthy consumption and business investment pictures were bolstered by another report out today showing that the labor market continues to heal. Companies took on more workers than expected in January, with an increase of 192,000, according to the ADP Research Institute.

        http://www.bloomberg.com/news/.....umber.html

        Markets agree with Bloomberg.

        1. John   12 years ago

          A contraction is really an expansion!! That is not even worth posting the screaming monkeys for.

          1. Restoras   12 years ago

            Strip out the governemnt spending funded by debt and the economy has been contracting for awhile now.

            And stop feeding the sock.

            1. Palin's Buttplug   12 years ago

              At the same time, however, corporate spending on equipment and software climbed at a 12.4 percent pace, contributing 0.86 percentage point to growth. Residential construction increased at a 15.3 percent rate. For all of 2012, homebuilding climbed 11.9 percent, the most since 1992.

              Same link.

              1. John   12 years ago

                And the economy contracted and jobless claims rose. That is called a recession. Shut the fuck up Sock Puppet.

                1. Palin's Buttplug   12 years ago

                  That is not what a recession is, you dumbass.

                  It takes two quarters.

                  1. fish   12 years ago

                    It takes two quarters.

                    That sounds like the same lame assed excuse that a TEAM member would make.

              2. R C Dean   12 years ago

                The bump in income and the corporate spending were themselves "one-time factors" as people tried to get ahead of the 2013 tax increases.

                So there's that.

                1. John   12 years ago

                  R.C

                  And even with all of the artificial demand caused by the strategic behavior related to the tax increases, the economy still contracted. I bet it falls off a cliff in the first quarter of this year.

        2. Ice Nine   12 years ago

          Markets agree with Bloomberg.

          Markets agreed with Pets.com.

          1. gaijin   12 years ago

            Yes. Except now the markets are totally free...no HFTs, lots of retail investors...oh wait.

    2. Ted S.   12 years ago

      I blame BOOOOOOOSH!!!!!!

    3. R C Dean   12 years ago

      even though onetime factors put the number below the trend

      Unexpectedly!

      Seriously, how is it that one-time factors and unexpected data only ever runs one way?

      1. Palin's Buttplug   12 years ago

        Talking "fiscal cliff" nonstop all year + Hurricane Sandy = one time factors.

        Q1 GDP will be robust.

        1. WTF   12 years ago

          According to Pauli Krugnuts Hurricane Sandy = Stimulus! So how does that shrink GDP, exactly?

          1. Palin's Buttplug   12 years ago

            Q1 2013 stimulus.

            1. WTF   12 years ago

              So, no answer to the actual question. Not surprised.

        2. R C Dean   12 years ago

          Q1 GDP will be robust.

          Because we won't be talking debt ceiling, sequester, and budget at all for the next few months.

  23. Jeff   12 years ago

    He apparently looked like the guy they actually wanted.

    "They all look the same."

  24. The Late P Brooks   12 years ago

    hauled out of class, handcuffed and interrogated by police for 10 hours ? all over a $5 dispute with another kid.

    Beacon of Freedom.

    1. Slammer   12 years ago

      All those schoolkids look alike, though

    2. WTF   12 years ago

      Procedures were followed. It's not their fault they were never trained not to abuse little kids.

  25. The Late P Brooks   12 years ago

    He apparently looked like the guy they actually wanted.

    Those wily Chinamen!

  26. Rich   12 years ago

    Five years after the housing collapse of 2008, the government's role in the mortgage market could still have taxpayers on the hook for another multibillion-dollar rescue of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    "Government *of the People*", botches!

    1. R C Dean   12 years ago

      "Government *of the People*", botches!

      Possibly the best RC'z Law typo of all time.

      1. Rich   12 years ago

        Glad someone took the 'bate!

  27. John   12 years ago

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/.....le/2520078

    E15 gas can ruin engines. It was rushed through without any real study by one group of central planners because some other central planners decided on an arbitrary goal for renewable fuel use.

    1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

      Look. It was never intended to ruin engines. It was intended to reduce our dependency on fossil fuels. By criticizing the results you have questioned the intentions.

      Why do you oppose reducing our dependency on fossil fuels?

      1. Jeff   12 years ago

        If you don't have an engine, you don't need fossil fuel.

        1. Rich   12 years ago

          Why does anyone need an engine that holds more than one piston, anyway?

          1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

            Is it an an assault engine?!!

            1. WTF   12 years ago

              A high-capacity assault engine!

              1. gaijin   12 years ago

                The War on Nature!

          2. NeonCat   12 years ago

            Efficiency?

    2. SIV   12 years ago

      When Congress passed the law, it could not know it was creating this problem.

      The current National Renewable Fuel Standard program (RFS1) was established under the Energy Policy Act of 2005

      Good ol' Republicans. Without them we'd have Democrats ruining our car engines with central fuel planning.

      1. John   12 years ago

        No. Bush was a deregulating Nihilist. Didn't you know that?

    3. Zeb   12 years ago

      E10 is bad enough. God, I fucking hate that shit.

    4. Robert S   12 years ago

      What difference, at this point, does it make?

  28. John   12 years ago

    http://www.click2houston.com/n.....index.html

    Home invasion still a contact sport in civilized states like Texas.

    1. Jordan   12 years ago

      She should have done the moral thing and let herself be killed because guns are icky.

    2. Night Elf Mohawk   12 years ago

      I saw that earlier. Some of the first comments were people claiming this was an NRA hoax to gin up support for guns. I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of the new talking points for the gun grabbers.

      1. John   12 years ago

        Shreek is up thread informing us the economy contracting is a good thing. So, yeah I wouldn't be surprised.

    3. a better weapon   12 years ago

      Hmmm, no word on whether or not the dogs were shot when police finally arrived.

  29. John   12 years ago

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/.....-13-months

    Jobless claims up. If we just didn't have that damned BOOSH in the White House.

  30. NoVAHockey   12 years ago

    Insurers in the individual market are dropping annual premium rates and replacing them with monthly ones.

    http://tinyurl.com/a9837x6

    1. Matrix   12 years ago

      This can't be. The word "Affordable" was used in the Act. It can't actually do the opposite! IT CAN'T!

  31. John   12 years ago

    So I went to an LEO Conference to remain nameless this week. And there were people there from Connecticut and of course the actual facts of Newtown were pretty well known. And unsurprisingly what has been reported in the media is mostly half truths. It appears the kid was obsessed with Halo. He played it pretty much during all waking hours for months. He had told several people he planned to beat the "score" of that mad man in Norway. They actually have security tape of most of the incident. And every move he made was modeled after the moves in Halo. The whole thing about revenge against his mother is all bullshit. He was just totally gone and somehow crossed reality with the game he was playing, right up to killing himself so he could keep his points.

    1. SIV   12 years ago

      Clearly we need to ban Norway.

      1. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

        what? No A-Ha?
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCkbfyk6XGc

    2. Rich   12 years ago

      Obviously the solution is universal background checks for all game purchases.

      1. John   12 years ago

        Funny how the media hasn't reported that. If it got out, there would be a hurricane of stupid directed at Hollywood and the video game industry. It is almost like they are lying so the fire is directed at the gun industry or something.

        1. Enough About Palin   12 years ago

          "It is almost like they are lying so the fire is directed at the gun industry or something."

          What difference, at this point, does it make???!!!

      2. Restoras   12 years ago

        Ironically, or not, or whatever, his mother probably bought the game for him.

    3. NoVAHockey   12 years ago

      "killing himself so he could keep his points"

      it's been awhile since i played. what does this mean?

      1. John   12 years ago

        I don't know. But I am told that in Halo if you kill yourself you keep your points for the next game but if someone else kills you, you lose said points. That is the one point of the story I am skeptical of. But I don't play Halo so I don't know.

        1. NebulousFocus   12 years ago

          I play Halo. That makes no sense.

    4. Jeff   12 years ago

      We need common sense regulation of media reports of mass shootings. Why does anyone need to report a story more than once?

    5. robc   12 years ago

      Im pretty sure I saw that movie. It starred Tom Hanks.

    6. Azathoth!!   12 years ago

      Yeah, because second and thirdhand gossip from cops is the gods own truth.

  32. sloopyinca   12 years ago

    I like how in the headline the Chicago paper says the criminal cop was charged with extorting a tow truck driver but neglect to say that he was also charged with selling a handgun to a felon.

    After all, it has to be those icky Red States that are getting guns into Chicago. No way it's their corrupt police officers.

  33. sloopyinca   12 years ago

    Supercop or child rapist? Officer tries to be both but fails.

  34. John   12 years ago

    http://www.washingtontimes.com.....da-threat/

    A jihadist website posted a new threat by al Qaeda this week that promises to conduct "shocking" attacks on the United States and the West.

    The posting appeared on the Ansar al Mujahidin network Sunday and carried the headline, "Map of al Qaeda and its future strikes."

    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com.....z2JZ1VXjYN
    Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

    The dumb bastards are about due to get lucky.

    1. SugarFree   12 years ago

      A jihadist website posted a new threat by al Qaeda this week that promises to conduct "shocking" attacks on the United States and the West.

      Horseshit. I've been assured over and over again that there is no such thing as blowback.

      1. John   12 years ago

        Because they would love us if we would only give them a chance.

        1. $park?   12 years ago

          And killing them is the only way to make them love us.

          1. John   12 years ago

            I know sparky. The best way to deal with someone who launches a holy war aimed at killing you, is tell them you love them. Whatever you do, don't try to stop them or fight back. That will just make them more angry and cause blowback.

            1. $park?   12 years ago

              Whatever you do, don't try to stop them or fight back.

              If they still hate us, it's because we're not killing the right ones I guess. Or that we just need to keep killing them until they stop hating us. One of those has to work. Either that, or we just need to kill them all.

              1. John   12 years ago

                You don't get an end to a war until your enemy loses the will to fight. As long as they keep trying to kill us, we are going to have to keep trying to kill them. It sucks but that is the way it goes. No amount of wishful thinking and "why do they hate us" thumb sucking will change that.

                Even if you buy into the blowback theory, which I don't, what are you going to do now? It is not like if we stop defending ourselves they are just going to forget everything and go home.

                1. $park?   12 years ago

                  It is not like if we stop defending ourselves they are just going to forget everything and go home.

                  And by defending ourselves you mean sending drone bombs to kill them in their own homes on the other side of the globe. They aren't the ones who have any going home to do, they're already there.

                2. EDG reppin' LBC   12 years ago

                  A "third way" would be perhaps something along the lines of how the British dealt with very real threats from the IRA. Police work, essentially. The Brits didn't maintain a blow the shit out of everything campaign in Northern Ireland.

                  Right now, it seems like we are trying to squish cockroaches with a sledge hammer-- it's not efficient. We aren't killing roaches, but we are smashing holes in the floor. Could the US possibly try a different way to counter these terrorists? Or will it always be sledge hammer?

                  1. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

                    Maybe. The Brits had the advantage of playing on their home ground, and even so there were serious threats that they didn't detect and stop. In the end they had to compromise through a political process, and while that might have led to some peace, it required (i) allowing murderers to go unpunished and (ii) dissidents from the peace process maintaining the rage and (for some) morphing into criminal gangs who prey on their own communities

                  2. db   12 years ago

                    Interesting, though...how would the UK handle an IRA resurgence now? You can bet drones (at least for surveillance at first) would play a role.

                3. Chinny Chin Chin   12 years ago

                  Even if you buy into the blowback theory, which I don't...

                  John, Osama Bin Laden was explicit that he organized 9/11 because of US foreign policy. He named support for Israel, troops stationed in Saudi, and the USS New Jersey's shelling of Lebanon, in particular.

                  If not blowback, how do you explain OBL's rationalization?

                  1. John   12 years ago

                    Because OBL was a psychotic who wanted to over throw the Saudi Royal Family and recreate the 8th Century Islamic Empire. You can't placate psychotics. You clowns honestly think that if we had just been nice to him, he would have left us alone. He also wanted Spain to be Islamic, I am not sure Spain would have gone along with that plan.

                    1. Zeb   12 years ago

                      "You can't placate psychotics."

                      Maybe not. But you can set them off. If the US hadn't been in Saudi, supporting Israel and bombing Lebanon, it seems likely that 911 wouldn't have happened. He'd just be attacking Saudi Arabia and Israel.
                      Now, that's not to say that there were or weren't good reasons for the US to have the foreign policy it did. But blowback is still blowback, even if the trigger of the blowback is perfectly justified and appropriate.

                4. VG Zaytsev   12 years ago

                  Even if you buy into the blowback theory...

                  How come the blowback fools never say that our bombing weddings is blowback for 911 and al Queda. And therefor the best way to get us to stop bombing weddings is to stop the death to America rhetoric?

                  1. $park?   12 years ago

                    And therefor the best way to get us to stop bombing weddings is to stop the death to America rhetoric?

                    So you're happy to meet talk with death? Good to know. Makes me appreciate the 1st Amendment a little more.

                    1. Azathoth!!   12 years ago

                      Not sure, sparky, but I kinda remember something besides talk on 9/11, don't you?

                  2. Zeb   12 years ago

                    "How come the blowback fools never say that our bombing weddings is blowback for 911 and al Queda."

                    I don't know. I bet some do. But that is a good way to put it. It goes both ways. I guess you'd consider me a "blowback fool", but I am going to start saying exactly that.

              2. sloopyinca   12 years ago

                If they still hate us, it's because we're not killing the right ones I guess. Or that we just need to keep killing them until they stop hating us. One of those has to work. Either that, or we just need to kill them all.

                Wait, is that a foreign policy statement or the latest motto of the Fraternal Order of Police?

                1. $park?   12 years ago

                  Somebody flipped John's troll switch and I got suckered in. Again. *sigh* One day I'll learn my lesson.

                  1. John   12 years ago

                    Sparky,

                    I was the one who was trolled by the same stupid tired arguments made by Libertarians no and forever facts be damned.

                    It is the classic blind spot nearly every Libertarian has. They think that because they are rational everyone else is. They really cannot conceive that someone out there might not think like they do or might not give a shit if they want peace or not.

                    1. $park?   12 years ago

                      Yep, it's a giant blind spot to think that seeing your neighbor get bombed might cause you to hate the people responsible for the bombing. Please tell me that if your neighbor got blown up by a Russian missile because they thought he was a terrorist you would just sit back and think he must have had it coming.

                    2. SugarFree   12 years ago

                      Yep, it's a giant blind spot to think that seeing your neighbor get bombed might cause you to hate the people responsible for the bombing.

                      The huge surge in military enlistment in the US after 9/11 was just a coincidence.

                    3. John   12 years ago

                      The huge surge in military enlistment in the US after 9/11 was just a coincidence.

                      So our response to 9-11 was justified? Wow, that is news in libertarian land.

                    4. Zeb   12 years ago

                      "So our response to 9-11 was justified?"

                      Whether or not it was justified, it was an understandable and predictable response to the 911 attacks.

                      I think you make a mistake in assuming that calling terrorism blowback from US foreign policy necessarily means that US foreign policy was wrong. IT could very well be (I don't think so, but it could be) that US foreign policy was exactly what it needed to be in the Mid East. That doesn't change the fact that 911 was a reaction to that foreign policy. If the US had nothing to do with supporting Israel or keeping and using military forces in the area, I find it hard to believe that 9111 would have happened. That doesn't mean that 911 was our fault or that we necessarily should not have the foreign policy that we do. Even crazy people do things for reasons for the most part.

                    5. John   12 years ago

                      Yep, it's a giant blind spot to think that seeing your neighbor get bombed might cause you to hate the people responsible for the bombing.

                      So you would be understanding if everyone in the city of New York wanted to and made war on the entire middle east after 9-11? Odd how blowback only works one way.

                      It is just a fantasy you people tell yourselves because the actual truth, that there are some people in the world who really do mean you harm no matter what you have done, is apparently too hard to contemplate.

                    6. Zeb   12 years ago

                      So John, do you really think that had teh US not supported Israel and kept troops in Saudi, etc. that 911 still would have happened?

                      The US is seen as the big enemy for a reason. It might be a stupid reason, but it is not arbitrary. To me anyway, that is all that blowback means.

                    7. $park?   12 years ago

                      So you would be understanding if everyone in the city of New York wanted to and made war on the entire middle east after 9-11?

                      Seems like that's exactly what happened, with a little extra backup provided by the feds. Was war with a concrete objective declared? If so, was that objective reached? If so, shouldn't that war be done? I guess that's the great thing about revenge, it gives you cause for a never ending war. We get revenge, they get revenge for us getting revenge, we get revenge for them getting revenge for us getting revenge, ad infinitum.

                      that there are some people in the world who really do mean you harm no matter what you have done

                      And the best way to deal with people who say bad things about you is to kill them.

          2. John   12 years ago

            And I am sure the people doing this are from Iraq and Afghanistan. You know the places were we are. None of them could be from countries like Egypt or Saudi Arabia where we have sent billions in aide over the years.

            1. VG Zaytsev   12 years ago

              You just don't get it John.

              Nationalism is an illegitimate concept for Americans but a completely valid one for Arabs.

              1. John   12 years ago

                And blowback only goes one way. No Afghan would ever be expected to ask "why are Americans bombing us".

                1. Zeb   12 years ago

                  "No Afghan would ever be expected to ask "why are Americans bombing us"."

                  What? Why would you think that? You are getting into straw-man territory here.

              2. Zeb   12 years ago

                "Nationalism is an illegitimate concept for Americans but a completely valid one for Arabs."

                Who the fuck ever said that? Pointing out a possible reason why something happens is not the same a approving of those motivations. Arab or Muslim nationalism is even worse and more harmful than American nationalism. But it is something that exists in the world that you have to take into account when doing things like bombing people.

  35. sloopyinca   12 years ago

    PoliceOne response to the kid handcuffed over $5 story. I's as expected.

    Posted by AUR09 on Thursday, January 31, 2013 04:12 AM Pacific Report Abuse
    No damn way he was "interrogated" for 10 hours over a $5 case. As for the handcuffing, it's done to everyone as policy for officer safety at a lot of departments... sorry. Teach your kid not to the break the law so the police don't have to do it for you.

    -and-

    Posted by wtf515 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 03:51 PM Pacific Report Abuse
    Seriously? 250 million. Give me a break. Why not make it a billion? The police were probably trying to find the cracked out mother and it took ten hours.

    Remember, people. These are the fine men and women charged with protecting all of us and protecting us equally under the law.

    1. RBS   12 years ago

      One thing about cops that find particularly offensive is the racism. I live in the South so it's not particularly surprising but their are also a lot of cops/ex-cops here from NY/NJ/CT and the shit they say to each other in the gym when they think nobody is listening is terrible.

      1. Night Elf Mohawk   12 years ago

        One thing about cops that find particularly offensive is the racism. I live in the South so it's not particularly surprising...

        Because judging people by race is stupid but judging people in an entire region is science.

        1. RBS   12 years ago

          Look, I've lived in South Carolina my entire life, racism exists here, ignoring that fact would be stupid.

          1. sloopyinca   12 years ago

            I lived in Augusta, GA for 2 years and my parents retired some years ago to Hilton Head and I visit them regularly. And yes there is racism inherent in certain parts of the south. But the most racist people I've met were the retired city employees from New York and New Jersey. heir hared for all things black would make a Grand Kleagle like Robert Byrd blush.

            1. sloopyinca   12 years ago

              *Their hatred -- stupid T key.

            2. SIV   12 years ago

              Hilton Head sucks.

          2. Night Elf Mohawk   12 years ago

            Believing it is somehow limited, or even more egregious, in the South is also stupid. Your "what I should have said" below pretty much covers it.

        2. RBS   12 years ago

          What I should have said is "it's not surprising to me, based on my experience growing up in SC, that some of the cops here are incredibly racist but a lot of the cops from supposedly more tolerant regions are also incredibly racist."

          1. EDG reppin' LBC   12 years ago

            I got your point. The South doesn't have a monopoly on racism. Don't tell anyone, but there are racists in Yankee states as well. There are racists in California, too. Why some I have encountered have been enlightened progressives as well. Funny what some white people will say to you, if they think they are in "safe company".

            1. Enough About Palin   12 years ago

              Even way up north in Minneapolis, there are racists. Some of them are even black and man do they hate white people!

              1. EDG reppin' LBC   12 years ago

                Blacks are a minority, so they can't be racists.

    2. R C Dean   12 years ago

      As for the handcuffing, it's done to everyone as policy for officer safety at a lot of departments

      They're afraid a kindergartner will fuck them up if he's not handcuffed?

  36. dave b.   12 years ago

    Are you richer than an African country?

    1. Drake   12 years ago

      With or without my share of the federal and state public debt?

  37. Enough About Palin   12 years ago

    ROBBING THE CRADLE
    Dominican prostitute: Senator Bob Menendez 'likes the youngest and newest girls'

    http://dailycaller.com/#ixzz2JZ3N8aSL

    1. a better weapon   12 years ago

      Why hasn't the Democrat party asked him to resign yet? I honestly had never heard of him until this story came up in November. Its not like he's a D party rising star like Anthony Weiner was.

      1. VG Zaytsev   12 years ago

        Because he didn't say something embarassing about rape.

  38. John   12 years ago

    In a little-noticed email published online Wednesday by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), a young Dominican woman wrote nine months ago that she slept with 59-year-old New Jersey Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez at a series of sex parties organized by Dr. Salomon Melgen, a longtime Menendez campaign donor.

    "That Senator also likes the youngest and newest girls," the woman wrote on April 21, 2002, according to an English translation provided to The Daily Caller by a native Spanish speaker.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01.....z2JZ32ASb7

    Larry Craig cruising for blowjobs in an airport with consenting adults was worthy of front page news for weeks. Menendez potentially being a kiddy didler taking illegal sex jaunts with a donor is not even worth reporting. But there is nothing biased about the major media.

    1. Palin's Buttplug   12 years ago

      Larry Craig put in a guilty plea before the story went national.

      Remember, Dave Vitter's whoremongering was ignored after he admitted to such in a press conference.

      1. John   12 years ago

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weu-R_bgmU4

        Nothing says Democrat and caring like molesting underaged hookers.

        1. sloopyinca   12 years ago

          In Menendez's defense, he was really big on helping people turn their lives around. In fact, he even hired a sex offender for his office.

      2. fish   12 years ago

        Why focus on TEAM RED guys shreek...not a word about Menendez. One could be forgiven for thinking you were little more than a shill for TEAM BLUE.

    2. WTF   12 years ago

      Well, they couldn't allow this to come out before the election and risk a republican winning Menendez's senate seat.

      1. Drake   12 years ago

        Unless they had a video and the kid 5, he was going to win.

        1. WTF   12 years ago

          I didn't say it was a big risk.

  39. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

    Has anyone watched Boardwalk Empire?

    I've watched the first two seasons and so far my reaction is meh. Should I continue?

    1. SugarFree   12 years ago

      Third season picks up a bit, much more action oriented, but still soapier than a bar of soap in some places.

    2. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

      Season 3 is even darker, but if you don't care about the characters why bother?

    3. NoVAHockey   12 years ago

      i thought season 3 was better than season 2. but if you're not into at this point, i don't know that i'd continue

    4. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

      oops - I only watched the first two episodes of season 1. I blame the lack of coffee.

      1. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

        they're still setting out the bones of the story. Give it another one or two

        1. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

          okie-dokie

    5. Slammer   12 years ago

      Its meh all the way down the line.
      Except for all the nude Paz de la Huerta

    6. MJGreen   12 years ago

      Season 1 is a bit of a snoozer. The second season is more exciting, and the third is even better. It was probably my second favorite show last year.

  40. The Late P Brooks   12 years ago

    As for the handcuffing, it's done to everyone as policy for officer safety

    Peak Retard is a myth.

  41. John   12 years ago

    Chinese infiltrate NYT server. Couldn't Friedman just put in a call to his handlers and tell them to stop?

    1. R C Dean   12 years ago

      Who do you think gave them the password?

  42. deified   12 years ago

    Westchester super gets 6 years in dog-sex case

    The superintendent at a suburban New York housing complex has been sent to prison for entering a tenant's apartment and having sex with a Labrador retriever.

    1. sloopyinca   12 years ago

      Dumbass should have wen to work for the CDC. Those dogfuckers don't ever have to go to trial. Even when they sexually abuse a child as well.

  43. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

    Officer safety ... If I had to handcuff a 7 year old for my safety, I'd consider quitting the police force and finding honest work.

  44. sloopyinca   12 years ago

    Motherfucking fuck! Do you all want a Balko-style kick in the nuts today? Do you? Well here you fucking go!

    FTA: The D.A. went on to say quote: "This office expresses its condolences to the Williams family for their tragic loss. Our thoughts and prayers are with them. While there was no criminal intent to kill, mistakes were made. In the hope that this tragedy will not be repeated, this office will be meeting with the police departments involved."

    By the way, PoliceOne's response is that the DA should STFU on police procedures and air his grievances in-house only.

    1. John   12 years ago

      Numerous officers from several departments were helping Overfield Township police on the scene. The D.A. says two of the officers broke down a bedroom door, fell to the floor, and that's when Brian Williams went after them with a fire poker.

      First officers shot Williams with Tasers, when that didn't stop him, Officer Mark Papi of Tunkhannock Township police shot and killed Williams.

      He was unarmed. He didn't comply. That doesn't justify deadly force. A bunch of fucking baboons with weapons. If you are too fucking big of a pussy to subdue a single guy with a fire poker when there are five of you and you have tazers, you are pathetic. They were just fucking lazy and stupid.

      1. WTF   12 years ago

        Procedures were followed, citizens were shot, needz moar training;
        hth

      2. db   12 years ago

        This makes me wonder: how easy would it be to deflect or tangle up a tazer shot with a broom handle or similar item?

        1. EDG reppin' LBC   12 years ago

          Holding a broom handle in proximity to a cop will get you shot. Immediately.

          1. sloopyinca   12 years ago

            And being in the proximity of a cop holding a broomstick will get you assraped in a Precinct House.

      3. Restoras   12 years ago

        I dread the day when a bunch of these Keystone Kops antics end up with a bunch of dead coppers. That'll really make the gun-grabbers go nuts.

    2. R C Dean   12 years ago

      Ah, the classic "mistakes were made".

      Name names, shitbird. "Officers A, B, and C failed to do X. Officers D, E, and F overreacted to Y".

  45. Matrix   12 years ago

    Tortoise trapped in record player box found alive after 30 years

    So they say they can survive on little food, but it survived 30 years without water? I call shenanigans!

    1. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

      Or it reached the urine-drinking stage and stayed there

      1. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

        lolz

      2. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

        Reduced to drinking Baldric's water...

    2. Enough About Palin   12 years ago

      Tortoise: WHERE THE FUCK YOU BEEN?!

  46. The Late P Brooks   12 years ago

    of course the actual facts of Newtown were pretty well known.

    So which fucking gun(s) did he use?

    1. sloopyinca   12 years ago

      Why do you hate the children, Brooksie?

    2. John   12 years ago

      Both the AR and a handgun. But even the cops admit there was nothing special about the AR. He was walking around shooting first graders at close range, including some of them laying and hiding behind book cases.

      1. Drake   12 years ago

        Why no Coroner report to state such?

        1. John   12 years ago

          I am not sure those have been released.

          1. Drake   12 years ago

            That is my point. If he didn't mow all those kids down with an evil AR, it would be inconvenient.

  47. The Late P Brooks   12 years ago

    Because they would love us if we would only give them a chance.

    There can be only two alternatives!

    1. John   12 years ago

      That is right Brooks and every single action by every nut in the world is the result of the all powerful US. It is all about us. We can totally control the world by just changing what we do.

      It is all about us. No one would ever just hate us for a nutso reason or because that is easier than dealing with reality. Nope. Never.

      1. $park?   12 years ago

        We can totally control the world by just changing what we do.

        It's funny that you say it sarcastically when you're the one who actually believes it. If we just kill enough, they'll stop hating us.

        1. John   12 years ago

          Yes, if you do enough damage to your enemy, he will lose the will to fight. That is how wars have been won since they started having wars.

          1. $park?   12 years ago

            Guess the only thing to do is roll up the sleeves and get to some serious killing. If drone barrages aren't enough to make them lose their will to fight, how come the military isn't going bigger? Seriously, just march a force right in there and kill everyone who doesn't bow down in praise.

            1. John   12 years ago

              Guess the only thing to do is roll up the sleeves and get to some serious killing.

              That would be war and that is why it sucks. You have to kill your enemy and break his shit until he finally loses the will to do the same thing to you.

              1. Cytotoxic   12 years ago

                B-but John! Killing the militants will make more militants! Like a blowback hydra! And you'd see it too if you weren't poisoned by NEOCON constructs like 'history'.

                1. John   12 years ago

                  Cytoxic

                  In Libertarian world, no one ever won a war by killing his enemies. Wars are won by you dying. Didn't you know that?

                2. SugarFree   12 years ago

                  B-but John! Killing the militants will make more militants!

                  Yes, because all the militants that will ever exist already existed before we ever retaliated for 9/11. And friends and family of people we murder with drones never, ever get angry about it.

                  You reason like a blood-thirsty three-year-old.

                  1. John   12 years ago

                    Yes, because all the militants that will ever exist already existed before we ever retaliated for 9/11.

                    You really are not this stupid Sugar Free. I will just give you a pass. But think about what you are saying? Has it ever occurred to you that there might be other reasons for doing this shit than base revenge? And if it were just about revenge for the dreaded drone strikes, why aren't their Afghans and Yemnis running around doing this mostly? Al Quada is full of Saudis and Egyptians and European Muslims and even some Americans. They generally are not from any place the US has ever bombed. And they were bombing US targets in the 1990s long before the US ever got into any wars in the middle east, other than the first Iraq war which no one remembers.

                    Maybe instead of blow back there is this totalitarian ideology that appeals to a lot of people out there and gives their life meaning. Maybe some people are just crazy fucks who like killing and like excitement and are also drawn to said ideology. Maybe people have reasons to wage war on the West beyond some sort of 8th Century blood feud. It is not like people haven't bought into murderous totalitarian ideologies before.

                    You are so wedded to the idea of blow back and the evil Americans being responsible for everything, it prevents you from thinking rationally. No, you are thinking like a three year old. And sadly, I think at some level you know it.

                    1. SugarFree   12 years ago

                      And they were bombing US targets in the 1990s long before the US ever got into any wars in the middle east, other than the first Iraq war which no one remembers.

                      Goddman, John. Are really so ignorant of history to think Gulf War I was the first time the US had any dealings in the Middle East? Really?

                      I'm not wedded to anything, just sick of self-serving warmongering bullshit. Blowback exists. That's what 9/11 was. It wasn't a random attack. I won't pretend otherwise so Cytotoxic can have his war porn.

                      Some of them are crazies, some of them are people we have pissed off, some of them are motivated by religious cuntshit, some of them are deluded into this clash of civilizations bullshit. Your strawman that people who object to the immoral drone war and endless occupation don't understand this can only take so much of beating.

                      What Cytotoxic wants is for there to be no consequences whatsoever for occupation, interventionalism, and drone assassinations. Well, there are consequences. So maybe, so fucking maybe, we should give some thought to how we conduct ourselves in the world. Which is not a call for pacifism or anything other shit you want to make up about me.

                    2. tarran   12 years ago

                      The point of blowback isn't in the existence of nutjobs like OBL. It's that it amplifies the uspport they receive.

                      Let's compare OBL to Wesley A Swift, the white supremacist that founded the church of Jesus Christ Christian. This guy was militant (not a millionaire but let's pass over that inconvenient point) who sought to overthrow the U.S. because it was allowing untermenschen to oppress whites.

                      The guy bled followers, and eventually ahd only a few tens of pathetic losers following him. Why? Because most people looked at what he was peddling and concluded that he was a loon.

                      But what would have happened had he had a point? If the crazy fantasies he promoted were backed up by the experience of the people hearing his message? He would have had thoudands, perhaps millions of followers.

                      And that would be blowback.

                      John posits that the best way to get an adversary to give up is to break his will. We who cringe at blowbacks argue that there are other, more effective things.

                      Most people have numerous things they are concerned about... feeding their families, banging the hot chick next door etc. And, those things sap the will to fight far more thoroughly - on an industrial scale - than a fear that a hellfire missile will come through the door tomorrow.

                    3. John   12 years ago

                      Most people have numerous things they are concerned about... feeding their families, banging the hot chick next door etc. And, those things sap the will to fight far more thoroughly - on an industrial scale - than a fear that a hellfire missile will come through the door tomorrow.

                      If those things sapped the will to fight, there would never be any wars. Somehow despite those things people manage to find the time and the will to kill each other by the millions.

                      Again, Libertarians live in a bubble where everyone in the world thinks and acts just like them.

                    4. John   12 years ago

                      And Sugar Free you are the exact opposite of Cytotixic. You want to pretend that we can someone make the whole thing go away. Well we can't. Even you admit not all of them are motivated by US actions. What about them? They will still be out there no matter what we do? What are you going to do about that.

                      And stop confusing the drone war with blowback. The drone war may be wrong. It may be immoral. But if it is, it is not because of blow back. You go from, "the drone war is wrong" to "every terrorist attack is the justified and expected result of the drone war". One does not follow the other and the first can be true without the second being true.

                    5. $park?   12 years ago

                      What about them? They will still be out there no matter what we do? What are you going to do about that.

                      When we* say defense, we mean defend ourselves and our country from any force that comes to do us harm.

                      When you say defense, you mean find out who is talking shit about you then go to their homes and kill them.

                      This is the heart of the problem. We say we should be using the military for defense using our definition. You hear defense and either assume your definition or assume that we want foreign armies here blowing us up before we'll then fight back.

                      *All uses of we in this comment refer to me and other who feel the same way I do and is in no way to be taken to mean everyone who isn't John.

              2. $park?   12 years ago

                Is the US at war with Pakistan? If not, why not? If so, why isn't the military over there taking care of the problem properly? There is no way that even the combined might of Afghanistan and Pakistan is anywhere close to the might of the US. Why has the military decided to do a half-ass job?

                If the US doesn't need to be at war with Pakistan and/or Afghanistan, who should the war be against? Is terrorism sufficient? Would that grant the US the necessary rights to go into any Middle East country to conduct its war? If so, why isn't the military doing that? If all that is necessary is to kill all the people who hold a grudge, why isn't that being done? Are you going to pull out some tired excuse about how we're not fighting conventional forces and that those forces choose to hide among civilian populations? Why does that matter? Is the US military not capable of marching enough troops in to root out all the evil guys that are plotting our downfall?

                1. John   12 years ago

                  Those are interesting questions Sparky. But none of them have anything to do with the crackpot theory of blow back. I could answer them for you. But I have answered every one of them numerous times on here. And I am frankly growing weary of giving international law lessons to people who are too stupid or too bull headed to learn anything.

                  1. $park?   12 years ago

                    I don't think I've ever seen you once answer why the US military isn't on the ground marching through the Middle East rooting out terrorists so they'll stop attacking. That's all it takes, after all. Seriously, all that's needed is to either completely demolish all of their shit then leave or just take over their countries.

                    1. John   12 years ago

                      Because we don't have the resources to do that and since terrorists hide in the civilian populations, it wouldn't work.

                    2. $park?   12 years ago

                      Because we don't have the resources to do that and since terrorists hide in the civilian populations, it wouldn't work.

                      I call bullshit. If the US is under direct threat from these terrorists then we should have the right to bring the full might of the military to bear as well as receive all kinds of UN backing.

                    3. John   12 years ago

                      Because when we figure out where they are, we just arrest them or drone strike them. We don't have to invade. That is pretty much what we are doing and what you guys are complaining about.

                    4. $park?   12 years ago

                      Because when we figure out where they are, we just arrest them or drone strike them. We don't have to invade.

                      And that's clearly not fucking cutting it. All the arrests and drone strikes haven't cut back one tiny bit on the "bad guys" talking shit about the US. Apparently the only solution left is one with a little more finality (wink).

                  2. SugarFree   12 years ago

                    And I am frankly growing weary of giving international law lessons to people who are too stupid or too bull headed to learn anything.

                    Irony isn't fatal, it appears.

                2. tarran   12 years ago

                  More to the point, a substantial faction of the Saudi Royal Family supported Al Queda substantially.

                  Al Queda was the merger of two groups: a faction of the Moslem Brotherhood that sought to overthrow the Mubarak regime, and a well connected and wealth Wahabbist movement seeking to seize control of the Saudi throne or move it in a more xenophobic direction.

                  This war of attrition is exactly what they wanted, and I am darkly amused that we who keep pointing out the futility of the current strategy using historical examples of how the interventions are nearly always counterproductive is considered utopian and unrealistic.

                  I mean even in my Goldwater Conservative days, I recognized that employing the strategy that the enemy wanted us to employ was not the way to win a war. Then again, maybe that was the side of me informed by seeing the shit up close and personal in Turkey as a kid.

                  1. John   12 years ago

                    This war of attrition is exactly what they wanted,

                    Of all of the stupid lies you people tell yourselves, that is probably the dumbest one. The last thing they wanted was a war of attrition. We have a lot more people than they do. The whole point of asymmetric warfare is to avoid a war of attrition and use a few people to do great damage. We have lost 10,000 people out of a million person army. Meanwhile, almost their entire leadership and any number of highly valuable assets have been killed or locked up. They had no idea we were going to come at them the way we did when they pulled off 9-11. OBL thought we would go home and stop supporting the Saudis. That was the whole strong horse weak horse thing he was always talking about.

                    They wanted us to come hunt them down and kill them. That is just fucking laughable. You people are funnier than Shreek.

                    1. tarran   12 years ago

                      John, the United States government is running out of resources and is on the verge of financial collapse - with its military expenditures being a significant part of the problem, with its economic development being strangled with homelandsecurity regs contributing significantly to the problem, and you think that doesn't constitute a war of attrition?

                      Here's an example: when Doeniz was plotting his strategy, the number of sailors his subs killed was the furthest thing from his mind: he was worried about how many tons of displacement he was sending to the bottom, because that was what was required...

                    2. John   12 years ago

                      John, the United States government is running out of resources and is on the verge of financial collapse

                      And the war has nothing to do with that. That is another fantasy you people tell yourselves. The entire war in Iraq cost less than the 09 stimulus. We have a government that collects over a trillion dollars a year in taxes. We could fight forever if wanted to. But we can't pay out medicare and Social Security and bail out every failing banks no matter what.

  48. sloopyinca   12 years ago

    Police use flash-bang grenades and bust down the door of a 68-year old Indiana woman to serve a warrant.

    The alleged crime? Threatening posts on the internet were made from their WiFi address.

    FTA (emphasis mine): After the incident, Bolin told the Courier & Press that police had definitely traced the posts back to an Internet address associated with the house and had no way of knowing if they were made from within. Police noted at the time that the threats mentioned using guns and explosives.

    Speaking generally, he said that anytime special teams or SWAT personnel are needed, police have to act in a way that ensures officer safety.

    "We don't have a crystal ball. We don't know what is going to happen. We have to to act as if it is going to be a serious threat," Bolin said.

    This cocksucker ought to be strung up by his entrails from the nearest lamppost to discourage this kind of fucking bullshit.

    1. John   12 years ago

      If killing you is what is necessary to ensure even the smallest advance in officer safety, oh well.

    2. nipplemancer   12 years ago

      look, they have their very own Tulpa in the comments:

      avontbone writes:
      A criminal used their internet connection to post serious threats. Its the police department's job to take treats seriously and to prevent crime. There was probable cause that this residence was affiliated with the threats since the threats originated from their internet connection. The confusion would have never happened if they had a password on their wifi network. Instructions for how to secure your wireless network is included with every wifi router. If you aren't smart enough to read and follow basic instructions you should have professional set it up for you.

      I don't feel sorry for them and I hope they don't see a dime from this lawsuit.

      1. $park?   12 years ago

        Holy fuck, that sounds just like him. That kinda makes me want to cry.

        1. SugarFree   12 years ago

          Authoritards gotta tard. Their position is stupid and I'm not surprised there is little variety in stating it.

    3. Evan from Evansville   12 years ago

      Sigh.

      Again?

  49. invisible furry hand   12 years ago

    Hey John, the Richard III DNA results are released on Monday at 10 am UK time

    1. John   12 years ago

      Thanks. The body they found? I bet it is him.

    2. Fatty Bolger   12 years ago

      Will forensic evidence point to Edmund Blackadder as his killer?

      1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

        Baldric, rather.

        1. Fatty Bolger   12 years ago

          Baldrick, huh? Hah! I knew that show was not historically accurate! I just knew it!

  50. The Late P Brooks   12 years ago

    The Wyoming County district attorney Jeffrey Mitchell now says police officers forced their way into this home in the Lake Winola area last November, trying to pick up a man wanted for mental health reasons for threatening to kill his wife.

    Numerous officers from several departments were helping Overfield Township police on the scene. The D.A. says two of the officers broke down a bedroom door, fell to the floor, and that's when Brian Williams went after them with a fire poker.

    Remember, children; you have no right to self defense when your home is invaded by armed thugs, as long as they have magic badges. And this is true whether or not you even know they have those magic badges.

    "A justified shoot is a justified shoot." (no points for guessing who said this)

    *I like how it is left "unclear" whether the dead guy was actually the person the cops were looking for.

  51. Fatty Bolger   12 years ago

    Pro-L obtaining inventory for his latest venture

  52. sloopyinca   12 years ago

    Saint Louis Police Internal Affairs recommends terminating officer for beating the shit out of a handcuffed man.

    The incident, which was caught on video, shows officers choking the handcuffed man to the point of unconsciousness and beating him with a baton. The DA said they will not press charges against the officers.

    1. WTF   12 years ago

      The DA said they will not press charges against the officers.

      There is no double standard, none.
      hth

    2. sarcasmic   12 years ago

      I've overheard cops bantering after a few beers, and it seems that choking people is one of their favorite parts of the job. The moment when the person goes limp gives them wood. The only thing more fun than choking people or having them piss themselves in terror because they have a gun to their head is pulling the trigger.

  53. The Late P Brooks   12 years ago

    police had definitely traced the posts back to an Internet address associated with the house and had no way of knowing if they were made from within.

    Conclusions were reached.

  54. The Late P Brooks   12 years ago

    shows officers choking the handcuffed man to the point of unconsciousness and beating him with a baton.

    Beating unconscious suspects is just solid OFFICER SAFETY procedure.

    Nothing to see here.

    1. WTF   12 years ago

      Well, when you have to handcuff 7-year old kids, you just never know when an adult might spring back to conciousness and hurt you, even with his hands cuffed behind his back.

  55. The Late P Brooks   12 years ago

    We don't have a crystal ball. We don't know what is going to happen.

    Santayana wept.

  56. John   12 years ago

    http://www.foxnews.com/politic.....z2JVcSeyMG

    Let me get my surprised face. It turns out Obama really doesn't go shooting.

  57. John   12 years ago

    (Reuters) - Arab-American groups have sharply criticized a Coca-Cola Super Bowl ad depicting an Arab walking through the desert with a camel, and one group said it would ask the beverage giant to change it before CBS airs the game on Sunday before an expected audience of more than 100 million U.S. viewers.

    http://www.reuters.com/article.....3T20130131

    But Arabs really do come from the desert and really do own camels, at least the ones who still live in the desert do. By this standard showing an English guy living in a large country home or a Scottish guy hearing sheep, is the Racist!!! Even making a factual observation about an ethnic group is now the Racist!!

    1. Ice Nine   12 years ago

      Even making a factual observation about an ethnic group is now the Racist!!

      "Now"? Been that way for along time. Hell, discussing racial issues pertaining to a race other than yours is usually "racist" and also has been for a fairly long time.

      1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

        It's OK to discuss racial issues as long as you are not white. Blacks and Hispanics can make fun of each other, but whites may not make fun of anyone of another race.

  58. sloopyinca   12 years ago

    OK, I'm going to make my last post one of forgiveness and redemption. A story of second chances, if you will. A cop that leveled his gun at other cops in a 2009 standoff will keep his job with the department after receiving 5 years of probation.

    FTA: A chase on Colorado Highway 83 ended in Franktown when authorities put spike strips on the road, disabling Day's Toyota pickup.

    Rather than submit to arrest, Day took swigs from a bottle of vodka and drew his service pistol ? sometimes pointing the weapon at officers and sometimes placing the barrel against his temple and in his mouth.

    A Douglas County sheriff's sniper testified at a pre-trial hearing that he had Day in his rifle sights and was twice ready to pull the trigger ? but Day lowered his pistol.

    The standoff was defused when Day was hit with several nonlethal rounds from a shotgun and brought to the ground by a police dog.

    (cont.)

    1. sloopyinca   12 years ago

      Also FTA: Authorities were pursuing Day after a colleague reported that he called an estranged girlfriend and racked a pistol into the phone as part of a pattern of harassment and menacing behavior.

      In a restraining order filed after the episode, the woman said Day's behavior had grown increasingly erratic in the weeks preceding his threats.

      Day pleaded guilty to three misdemeanors: prohibited use of a weapon, resisting arrest and telephonic harassment.

      In exchange, Douglas County prosecutors dropped all remaining counts, including felony menacing, drunken driving and vehicular eluding.

      Now I just know that a "civilian" would have been treated the same by the officers as well as the D.A., wouldn't they? Or would they have been summarily executed in their doorway or ran off the road and shot in the ditch the moment they pulled out a gun?

      What. The. Fuck.

      1. John   12 years ago

        They drop drunken driving charges in high speed chases all of the time. That fucking DA needs to be shot.

      2. sarcasmic   12 years ago

        Prosecutors never give peasants the opportunity to plea away a felony. Maybe to a lesser felony, but not to a misdemeanor. I mean, it is their sworn duty to strip peasants of their right to armed defense and their right to vote. That's their job.

    2. John   12 years ago

      He is not actually a cop anymore. He is a "security technician" whatever that is. The outragous part is this

      Facing trial this month in Douglas County on felony menacing charges, 46-year-old Jerald Day instead pleaded guilty Jan. 16 to three misdemeanors and was sentenced to five years' probation.

      Cops really are above the law.

      1. sloopyinca   12 years ago

        He may not be a cop anymore, but he's still working for the department and fucking the taxpayers out of $39k a year (before he gets $20k worth of OT is my guess). One day, he'll retire and draw a fat pension paid for by the taxpayers, who would have been executed if they did the same thing he did.

        1. John   12 years ago

          He shouldn't have any job except making license plates or working at the prison laundry. The fact that he didn't go to prison is what is so damned infuriating.

  59. John   12 years ago

    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com.....condition/

    Look like Ron Jeremy is headed to the big porn shoot in the sky.

  60. Raston Bot   12 years ago

    Ocean acidification question:

    If calcium carbonate was already "extremely low" circa 1890 in the Pacific northwest, then why are oyster larvae just now showing symptoms like retarded growth?

    Maps of ocean calcium carbonate levels:
    http://www.hcn.org/issues/44.2.....-Thumb.jpg

    Article on ocean acidification and Pac NW oysters:
    http://www.hcn.org/issues/44.2.....tart:int=1

  61. John   12 years ago

    A kindergartner at Alice Drive Elementary in Sumter has been expelled from school for bringing a toy gun to class.

    She will be assigned a home-based instructor from the school district. The Sumter School District says they take any potential threat very seriously and will remain vigilant in creating a safe and secure environment.

    http://www.wltx.com/news/artic.....-to-School

    If you are in Sumner, SC and you want to home school your kid but don't have the time or money. No problem just send them to school with a toy gun and the school district will home school them for you.

    This is a case where civil disobedience would work. Every kid in that school ought to show up with a toy gun tomorrow. What are they going to do? Expel them all?

    1. Raston Bot   12 years ago

      "The school needed me down there that my daughter was fixing to be expelled," he says. "I got in the car and rushed down there and when I got in there the principal told me that she had a gun at school and she pulls it out and it is a little clear plastic gun."

      Defense Distributed's CAD collection has nothing on this little gunsmith genius! A clear plastic gun!? How'd she solve the stress and heat problems?

      1. Raston Bot   12 years ago

        Imagine the commercial applications of such polymer in the manufacture of auto and airline engines. She's going to be filthy rich.

        This is of course the only plausible explanation as no school district bureaucrat could be fucking stupid enough to expel a kindergartener for a clear plastic toy.

    2. Fatty Bolger   12 years ago

      For fuck's sake. How can a toy gun possibly be a "potential threat?" I guess back in my day, I would have been expelled for trying to take over the school with my Lego army.

  62. John   12 years ago

    http://hotair.com/archives/201.....-fbi-raid/

    Menendez forgot to pay for private jet trips to Dominican Republic. Suddenly remembers after the FBI raids the office of the guy who gave him the trip. It was just "sloppy" said his chief of staff.

  63. The Late P Brooks   12 years ago

    She will be assigned a home-based instructor from the school district.

    Who will instruct her to write "OBEY" on the chalk board ten thousand times.

    1. Rich   12 years ago

      "Your next assignment is a three-page essay on the difference between a potential threat and an actual threat.'

  64. The Late P Brooks   12 years ago

    A Douglas County sheriff's sniper testified at a pre-trial hearing that he had Day in his rifle sights and was twice ready to pull the trigger ? but Day lowered his pistol.

    Exactly as he would have done if the target had been a civilian.

    1. Night Elf Mohawk   12 years ago

      Good thing he was holding a gun and not a baby.

  65. Sevo   12 years ago

    We need to pass it to find out what's in it, part MMMCLVII:
    "Obamacare 'Glitch' Allows Some Families To Be Priced Out Of Health Insurance"
    "IRS regulations issued Wednesday failed to fix the problem as liberal backers of the president's plan had hoped."
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....d=webmail3
    How can this be?

    1. Matrix   12 years ago

      It's all BOOSH'S fault!

    2. Fatty Bolger   12 years ago

      I love the open mouthed wonder in these articles. Gosh! Who could possibly have foreseen any of this? Whatever will we do?

      1. Sevo   12 years ago

        Wait until the apply the FIX and find it knocks the left rear wheel off.

  66. Proprietist   12 years ago

    Getting attacked by a crazed gunman? Use scissors!
    Love, The Feds

    1. R C Dean   12 years ago

      Just remember, though:

      When you charge the gunman with your scissors, DON'T RUN.

  67. Warty   12 years ago

    Lew Rockwell defends known scum Ray Lewis. That's it, I'm throwing in with the KOCHTOPUS.

Please log in to post comments

Mute this user?

  • Mute User
  • Cancel

Ban this user?

  • Ban User
  • Cancel

Un-ban this user?

  • Un-ban User
  • Cancel

Nuke this user?

  • Nuke User
  • Cancel

Un-nuke this user?

  • Un-nuke User
  • Cancel

Flag this comment?

  • Flag Comment
  • Cancel

Un-flag this comment?

  • Un-flag Comment
  • Cancel

Latest

How Making GLP-1s Available Over the Counter Can Unlock Their Full Potential

Jeffrey A. Singer | From the June 2025 issue

Bob Menendez Does Not Deserve a Pardon

Billy Binion | 5.30.2025 5:25 PM

12-Year-Old Tennessee Boy Arrested for Instagram Post Says He Was Trying To Warn Students of a School Shooting

Autumn Billings | 5.30.2025 5:12 PM

Texas Ten Commandments Bill Is the Latest Example of Forcing Religious Texts In Public Schools

Emma Camp | 5.30.2025 3:46 PM

DOGE's Newly Listed 'Regulatory Savings' for Businesses Have Nothing to Do With Cutting Federal Spending

Jacob Sullum | 5.30.2025 3:30 PM

Recommended

  • About
  • Browse Topics
  • Events
  • Staff
  • Jobs
  • Donate
  • Advertise
  • Subscribe
  • Contact
  • Media
  • Shop
  • Amazon
Reason Facebook@reason on XReason InstagramReason TikTokReason YoutubeApple PodcastsReason on FlipboardReason RSS

© 2024 Reason Foundation | Accessibility | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.

r

Do you care about free minds and free markets? Sign up to get the biggest stories from Reason in your inbox every afternoon.

This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

This modal will close in 10

Reason Plus

Special Offer!

  • Full digital edition access
  • No ads
  • Commenting privileges

Just $25 per year

Join Today!