A.M. Links: Americans Support Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants By Wide Margin, Fighting Cancer with HIV, London City Council Bans Rare, Medium-Rare Burgers

• A new poll shows 62 percent of Americans in favor of a path to citizenship, or amnesty, for illegal immigrants.

• Barack Obama is headed to Michigan to campaign for tax hikes. If campaigning non-stop's gotten him this far…
• Charlie Crist, a former Republican governor of Florida who endorsed Barack Obama, is now officially a Democrat.
• The drug company Novartis is exploring a cancer treatment that involves infecting the patient with HIV.
• The Westminster city council in London has banned rare and medium-rare burgers. For safety. Meanwhile, the Home Affairs Committee of Parliament is urging the British government to decriminalize marijuana, as Portugal has recently done.
• Iran's launched a video-sharing website to compete with YouTube, or to control content.
• Texas A&M's quarterback Johnny Manziel is the first freshman to win the Heisman trophy.

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[Lord Humungus]

fist?

[gaijin]

12.10.12 @ 9:04AM

9:04? Are you kidding me?

[generic Brand]

Yeah these AM links were most certainly NOT out at 9:00 AM.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Charlie Crist, a former Republican governor of Florida who endorsed Barack Obama, is now officially a Democrat.

Never heard of Arlen Specter?

[Brett L]

Ooh. Charlie's out self-promoting again without the slightest hint of ethics or morals? Call the fucking newspaper! Oh wait, that's every day. I hope the Democrats in FL hitch their wagon to that jackass. The lulz will be epic.

[Pro Libertate]

The contempt for Crist is near universal. I bet he'd vote against himself.

[Brett L]

I'm hoping the Dems will talk themselves into running Crist and/or Alex Sink against Rick Scott just to hear the cries of my state and university employee friends when Scott wins 60%+ of the vote for re-election. Not that I particularly like Rick Scott, but given that some politician is going to be elected, I've got to find my enjoyment where I can.

[Atanarjuat]

He's also lent his face to those "Morgan ampersand Morgan: for the people" billboards in central Florida.

[Brett L]

Fuck Morgan & Morgan. Those guys are the scummiest bunch of ambulance chasers in the state. I especially love how they run ads explaining that only big insurance companies and corporations favor tort reform, but you shouldn't, because damnit you should get as much as you can (minus the 40% Morgan & Morgan will take off the top). Seems to me we could just cap lawyer fees and not damages at that point and save a shitton without screwing the plaintiff.

[Atanarjuat]

Agreed, they're such obvious scumbags I assumed Crist had given up politics and was enthusiastically cashing in on his fame/political success.

[Atanarjuat]

...Whereas in reality only the latter is true.

[Mensan]

I also hate their commercials where they whine about how they're not allowed to tell the jury about prior [unproven] allegations against a physician that they're suing for malpractice. They also have commercials where they complain about how they're not allowed to tell the jury whether or not a defendant has insurance, because juries will award more cash if insurance is paying for it.

Basically, they just like to bitch about being required to give a defendant a fair trial.

[carol]

Charlie Crist is whatever is expedient. He was never a Republican and he'll never be a Democrat. His "sense of duty" doesn't extend any further than the tip of his own nose.

[JW]

Never heard of Arlen Specter?

I wish that I hadn't.

[Mensan]

The difference is Arlen Specter isn't allegedly a closeted homosexual who married a wealthy woman for her social and business connections, and switches up political ideology based on whatever he thinks will help him win the next election. Also, who gives a damn. Crist isn't governor anymore; he's just another scumbag ambulance-chasing personal injury attorney.

[Atanarjuat]

Rick Scott sets off my gaydar, too, incidentally. I wonder if he and Crist had a closed-door, post-election "meeting" in the governor's mansion.

Excuse me while I go dry heave now.

[Brett L]

That nearly rises to SF slashfic.

[Lord Humungus]

'Bullish' November Data Mask An Ugly Truth About Jobs
http://news.investors.com/ibd-.....levels.htm

[Bee Tagger]

Listen up, the media said they were going to be more critical of Obama now so if they're not talking about this so-called story of yours, it's because it isn't true.

[Whiterun Guard]

Pffft. Who are you going to believe anyway. Some independent economics researchers who have nothing to gain, or the US freaking Government?

[sarcasmic]

Miley Cyrus is confused.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....mance.html

[RBS]

I don't know how to describe what I just saw.

[sarcasmic]

It's like Bieber with boobs or something.

[generic Brand]

I was oddly aroused by the visible boobs, but then immediately turned off by the lack of any other female attributes.

[WTF]

"It's like Bieber with boobs or something."

Bieber with Boobs! Made me chuckle.

[Mickey Rat]

That's not true. Beiber has a more feminine haircut than she does.

[Kaptious Kristen]

Nice rack, but she's got that flabby-skinny thing going on.

[Rich]

Miley Cyrus is confused.

Is she, um, curious?

[Archduke Pantsfan]

why does she have a spyrograph tattoo?

[Thane of Whiterun]

Looks like a chick I know.

A chick who, notably, recently declared herself (himself?) a man.

[sarcasmic]

Courtney Love is disgusting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....ening.html

[Francisco d Anconia]

Da!

[Lord Humungus]

UK: Why the rare burger may soon become endangered
It is a far cry from the traditional burger sold at fast-food outlets. All over the country restaurants are putting "gourmet" burgers on the menu, offering them from rare to well done.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foo.....gered.html

Now council officials are cracking down on the freedom to choose how your burger is done, warning restaurants not to offer them rare or even medium-rare.

A number of celebrity chefs are affected by the move, including Gordon Ramsay, whose Maze Grill restaurant sells a burger for ?12, Angela Hartnett, whose York and Albany's bar menu includes burgers, and the Soho House chain, run by Nick Jones, the husband of broadcaster Kirsty Young.

[Zeb]

I'm sure those high end restaurants are serving crappy ground beef that they let sit around a lot.

And banning medium-rare? I know a lot of people who consider that over-cooked for beef.

[Brett L]

Rare burger? Pass. I don't care how good the meat is. Too much surface area in ground beef. Medium is pushing it. SLD, that's none of the fucking town council's business to enforce.

[RBS]

So you prefer your burgers dry and tasteless?

[Brett L]

Like I say, I'm not forcing this on anyone. You're welcome to your higher incidence of food borne illness. Any burger I eat will be cooked past medium.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Pussy!

[Whiterun Guard]

Danger is the best seasoning!

The flava enhancah!

[Brett L]

If you really felt that way, you'd go barebacking your way through the prostitutes in every Liberian red light district.

[Whiterun Guard]

Ironically they do have a Red Light district here.

But it's just a regular market - so named because it used to be the only stop light in the city. (Now there are two, but neither is in Red Light).

And it's slightly different, as the chances of getting an amoeba or some other stomach illness are very slight, and the effects temporary and fairly suppressable (good lord do I know that now).

Whereas the chances of catching something terminal and irreversible from the pros here is like 30%.

But I do have to go back on my original statement, as Liberian food is routinely dangerous, but also bland and crummy.

[sloopyinca]

So, basically vaccinating one's self from cancer?

[Francisco d Anconia]

No, actually, it's cost-benefit all the way down.

The pleasure I get from a MR burger outweighs the probability of an evening of vomiting.

The pleasure I get from barebacking prostitutes is NOT worth the potential of a LIFETIME of AIDS/Herpes and/or infecting my wife with such.

The fact that you draw the line more conservatively than I is completely your decision...

AND it makes you a pussy!

[$park?]

I'm with ya Brett.

[JW]

I'm with ya Brett.

Same here. I like my steak medium rare, at most, but ground beef well-done. It's a texture thing.

[robc]

Steak: Medium rare, any mistakes on the side of rare
Burgers: Medium, any mistakes on the side of medium rare

[Hell's Librarian]

Having been made ill by a poorly cooked hamburger, I can only agree. I don't think I've ever puked and crapped so much in my entire life as that incident.

[sloopyinca]

I take it you've never eaten at Denny's.

[Certified Public Asskicker]

Oh my ass.

Or a Chinese food buffet.

[Sy]

But the tapeworms add that zest that only a five-star chef would be able to work into that patty.

[Jerry on the road]

You're more likely to get sick from the lettuce that has been irrigated with infected surface water.

[Brett L]

And that's why I don't put that shit on meat. Salads don't go on burgers.

[RBS]

I can agree with this. My wife asked for EXTRA lettuce the other day and I gave her the "WTF are you insane?" look.

[Whiterun Guard]

I like the texture of some good crisp iceberg lettuce on a burger. Gives it some toothiness.

[mad libertarian guy]

I like the texture of some good crisp iceberg lettuce on a burger. Gives it some toothiness.

Romaine lettuce with copious amounts of creamy caesar dressing.

[Sy]

damn that sounds good.. I'll have to try that next time I fire up the grill.

[mad libertarian guy]

Caesar burgers are fucking delicious.

But the dressing must be the creamy kind.

[Zeb]

I'm with you on burgers. Though mostly because the texture with ground beef is too squishy when rare. Just get beef with enough fat, and it is fine cooked through.

A good steak or roast on the other hand should be just barely warmed up in the middle.

[R C Dean]

First they came for the burgers . . . .

[Zeb]

Of course, if anyone wants to eat a raw handful of pink slime, they should be free to do so.

[SKR]

the problen is that there is another cooking technique, sous vide, that can pastuerize the beef patty at medium rare safely. then all the cook has to do is pop the patty out of the bag and sear quickly for some nice char.

[Brett L]

Sous vide on a burger. I may have to try that. Although its kind of like using duck fat to make homefries. Sure I could, but its pretty indulgent.

[Whiterun Guard]

All I know is I want to see Burger Girl and Lobster Girl in an EV Olive Oil wrestling match.

[LTC(ret) John]

Reason could put that on PPV and solve all their fiscal needs!

[Francisco d Anconia]

Didn't think you could get a burger in the UK. Didn't they already ban anything that tastes good?

[Fist of Etiquette]

THERE'S AN OFFICIAL LINK.

[sarcasmic]

Dumbass woman brings mint StG44 to police gun buyback.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....ogram.html

[db]

Are you fucking kidding me.

[db]

Number 1: I've seen (decidedly non-mint) StG44s offered at around $15k.

2: if this wasn't registered it's worthless. It has to be registered to the police department on a Form 5. from then on it can only be transferred as a dealer sample, which reduces its value tremendously.

The only way it's worth $30-$40k is if it is truly truly mint and has valid registration paperwork dated prior to 1968.

[sarcasmic]

Either way, after it is "destroyed" it will make a fine addition to some police officer's collection of illegal weapons.

[db]

I know of one properly registered Thompson SMG (1921/28 overstamp) that is owned by a local PD. Every few years they try to sell it to a collector and despair when they can't get what they think is a "fair" price for it. Granted 21/28 is worth a shit ton of money but their asking price is ridiculous. A former officer told me they don't really want to get rid of it because there is a Federal program that provides deeply discounted or free ammo to PDs for every firearm they have in their armory. The cops love the free ammo for their personal handguns, and this Thompson is the only .45ACP weapon in the department's inventory.

[generic Brand]

^This. My first thought: I wonder when we will see a story about a police officer shooting his wife with a mint condition StG44.

[Whiterun Guard]

Never? Because it would just be called an 'automatic assault weapon' or something equally retarded.

[db]

Interestingly enough, IIRC one of the very few (like two) murders committed with a lawfully registered machinegun in the US was by a cop who used an M11/9 to kill his wife and her lover.

[Generic Stranger]

More like one. AFAIK, it was the ONLY murder.

[Mensan]

I thought we were going with autonomous assault weapon now. Since the guns do the killing all on their own without any human involvement.

[sarcasmic]

"Shooting his wife"? Such language would never be used. No, the wife would have been killed by an assault weapon. Passive voice. Always.

[LTC(ret) John]

Ah, you've taken the Associated Press writing course, have you then?

[db]

After this publicity it will likely not be destroyed but registered to the PD and transferred to a museum with a dealer's license.

[R C Dean]

if this wasn't registered it's worthless.

I'd be curious to know if its possible to register a war trophy like this. It got here legally, was legally owned by its sole owner (I assume) and has never changed hands (until now).

[db]

There is only one way to lawfully do it if it has not been registered in the past.. It must be transferred (registered) to the PD using an ATF form 5320.10. After that it can be transferred only to other law enforcement agencies or Class 2 or Class 3 Special Occupational Taxpayers (FFL holders who have paid the SOT to do business in NFA regulated weapons). It will be considered a Post 1986 Dealer Sample and therefore cannot be transferred to non SOTs or non LEOs. If an SOT possesses it and then gives up his license, the weapon (as a Post Sample) must be transferred to another lawful registrant.

[Generic Stranger]

From what I understand, this is pretty much what they're doing.

[db]

Prior to 1968 it could have been registered by the person bringing it back but it's unlikely that was ever done.

[Invisible Finger]

if this wasn't registered it's worthless.

If true, then it wouldn't be subject to a wealth tax.

[db]

The gun itself has only some modest collector value there are thousands of StG44s around the world, many still in use in various rebel actions etc. The registration paperwork is what people buying NFA weapons in the US pay for.

[Restoras]

Holy crap. This is one of those rare times when I feel like the average person is too stupid to own a gun.

[Lord Humungus]

ah, my favorite WW2 gun - at least in the video game world of Red Orchestra 2.

[Joe M]

I don't see anything in that piece about them paying her the $40k.

[Sy]

They didn't arrest her on the spot for owning that particular model of AK-47 assault grenade launcher. No prison time is her reward.

[Lord Humungus]

and a video of the STG44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jrlCPq5stE

[sarcasmic]

Anything passes for art these days.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....-Rome.html

[Zeb]

I like it.

And anything should pass for art if it is presented as art.

[Whiterun Guard]

Seriously, this is pretty cool and fun. I mean it's worth a chuckle at least.

Though let's be honest, I prefer my art a whole hell of a lot fartsier than that.

[Zeb]

What makes good art is another discussion entirely. But it's kind of a pet peeve of mine when people decide they get to be the arbiter of what is art and what is not.

[Whiterun Guard]

I don't know what I like, but I know what art is.

[$park?]

But, but, that's the point. EVERYONE gets to be the arbiter of what is art and what is not.

[mad libertarian guy]

Wrong. Everyone gets to be the arbiter of what is good art or bad art, not whether something actually is art.

And if one cares enough to make the determination that something presented as art isn't art, that's good evidence that it is.

[Zeb]

I like this answer.

[Zeb]

MLG's that is.

[$park?]

Wrong. Everyone gets to be the arbiter of what is good art or bad art, not whether something actually is art.

Wrong. If someone put a toilet in the middle of a street they are more than welcome to call it art. Other people walking down the street may just think it's a fucking toilet in the road. When somebody calls something art, it's only art to the people who see it as art. Otherwise, it's just a toilet.

[Zeb]

Says you. I say it's art.

[db]

And when someone runs over the toilet with a monster truck it's performance art.

[robc]

No, everyone gets to be the arbiter of what is art.

If you dont like it, you can be the arbiter of whether Im full of shit.

[Hell's Librarian]

Yeah, not sure I'd call it art, but it's pretty fun. In the same vein, I find the stolen lawn gnomes that send postcards from various exotic locales back to their owners amusing as well.

[Auric Demonocles]

This comment is art.

[Zeb]

If you say so. Personally, I find it limp and uninspired.

[Whiterun Guard]

The only good arts are Garfunkel and Carney.

[Zeb]

Art is just the last three letters of "fart" anyway.

[Mensan]

What about Vandelay? Not George Castanza; the burrito at Moe's.

[Rich]

"One day a wag ? what would the wretch be at? ?
Shifted a letter of the cipher RAT,
And said it was a god's name! Straight arose
Fantastic priests and postulants (with shows,
And mysteries, and mummeries, and hymns,
And disputations dire that lamed their limbs)
To serve his temple and maintain the fires,
Expound the law, manipulate the wires.
Amazed, the populace that rites attend,
Believe whate'er they cannot comprehend,
And, inly edified to learn that two
Half-hairs joined so and so (as Art can do)
Have sweeter values and a grace more fit
Than Nature's hairs that never have been split,
Bring cates and wines for sacrificial feasts,
And sell their garments to support the priests."

-- Ambrose Bierce

[sarcasmic]

Washington pot grower kills two burglars.
http://www.latimes.com/news/na.....8410.story

[gaijin]

The new Drug War?

[sloopyinca]

Idiots at PoliceOne chime in on incident. Note they attribute the crime to the drug itself as opposed to the state still making growing it illegal.

Here's a tip, coppers: if it was completely legal and people could grow their own, this kind of crime would completely disappear.

[sarcasmic]

Note they attribute the crime to the drug itself

Well, duh. Inanimate objects cause things to happen. They're magic. Drug violence. Gun violence. The violence is caused by the drugs and the guns, without which the violence could not have occurred. If only we could get the drugs and guns out of the hands of the dumb peasants, then the violence would cease.

[LTC(ret) John]

*Bob Costas nods in agreement*

[JW]

Not if a car was the inanimate object. Then it becomes poor judgement on the part of the participant. Only guns have free will.

FOAD Costas. You actually bring negative value to any broadcast.

[sarcasmic]

Unless it's an SUV. If it's an SUV then things just happen. "SUV runs off road." "SUV strikes pedestrian." "SUV causes accident."

[Mensan]

While the majority of the comments are idiotic, I actually saw a much higher percentage of rational comments than would usually be found on a PorcineOne article.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The drug company Novartis is exploring a cancer treatment that involves infecting the patient with HIV.

I'm pretty sure I saw this on an episode of House.

[Zeb]

That's where they get all their ideas now.

[Whiterun Guard]

Well the good news is, your cancer is cured...

[SKR]

to be fair, if the cancer was going to kill you in a month, hiv doesn't sound like such a bad deal. Magic Johnson is still alive after all.

[Apple]

I'd much rather have HIV than certain cancers, particularly pancreatic.

[Mensan]

Why not. Doctors were able to use cancer to cure HIV. Well, sort of.

[Lord Humungus]

Gay marriage or economic Armageddon: which do you think matters more?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/n.....ters-more/

Have a look at this chart and then ask yourself a question. "Which do I care about more: the fact that Rupert and Tarquin currently can't get married in Holy Trinity, Brompton or the fact that the pound in my pocket is worth 20 per cent of what it was twelve years ago thanks to cynical and deliberate debasement of our currency by the ever-burgeoning state?"

Well, call me a great big homophobe but I know what bothers me more. Sure, Rupert and Tarquin are almost certainly thoroughly delightful chaps, who'd like nothing better than to have their partnership solemnised in the eyes of God, perhaps at an all-singin', all-dancin', all-smiling happy clappy ceremony presided over by some grinning OE Alpha Courser. Or Catholic priest. Or ultra orthodox rabbi. Or imam. Or Jedi. But I just don't think it's any of parliament's business to be concerning itself with such essentially private matters. In fact, more than that, I think it's an insult to the electorate and that it represents grave abuse of parliamentary responsibility.

[generic Brand]

Wow. That was an epic takedown.

[Redmanfms]

You should read his book about the origins of the green movement. Epic of epic.

[Mike Laursen]

And these two things are opposed to each other why?

[Rasilio]

The point is not that they are opposed, one is certainly capable of holding opinions and advocating political change on both issues simultaneously.

The point is that people actually do got worked up and protest for or against gay marriage with far greater regularity than they do about economic issues

[Lord Humungus]

Ah, George Will has been pretty good lately... but...

A case for targeted killings
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....story.html

Waging war, says Yoo, is unlike administering criminal justice in one decisive particular. The criminal justice system is retrospective: It acts after a crime. A nation attacked, as America was on Sept. 11, goes to war to prevent future injuries, which inevitably involves probabilities and guesses.

Today's war is additionally complicated by the fact that, as Yoo says, America's enemy "resembles a network, not a nation." Its commanders and fighters do not wear uniforms; they hide among civilian populations and are not parts of a transparent command-and-control apparatus. Drones enable the U.S. military ? which, regarding drones, includes the CIA; an important distinction has been blurred ? to wield a technology especially potent against al-Qaeda's organization and tactics. All its leaders are, effectively, military, not civilian. Killing them serves the military purposes of demoralizing the enemy, preventing planning, sowing confusion and draining the reservoir of experience.

[gaijin]

goes to war to prevent future injuries

I think this assumption is incomplete...by this logic, Al Qaeda saw it self attacked and sought to go to war against the US to prevent future injuries? Sometimes people go to war to extract revenge...

[sloopyinca]

He should stick to baseball, because this justifying our murderous drone campaign is mind-bogglingly stupid. As if some wedding attendees and their children are "military." Oh that's right. They're all military if they're males of fighting age. My bad, George. Carry on.

[RBS]

Also, fighting age is now apparently "old enough to walk."

[Rasilio]

Well there is some truth to this.

My uncle was nearly killed in Vietnam because he saw a kid he figured was about 11 or 12 with an AK and didn't shoot because of the kids age.

The kid had no problems shooting however, save for the aim so instead of dying he just lost a good chunk of his thigh muscle.

This of course does not excuse the drone war's killing of innocents but it is a simple fact, in a tribal or near tribal society teens and even preteens are considered "military aged" by their own societies.

[hamilton]

While it's certainly true that children are outfitted to become soldiers in a lot of these situations, it doesn't mean that one couldn't re-evaluate the cost/benefit of being in the situation, once the cost goes up to include the necessity of killing those children.

[sloopyinca]

Not to mention there's a major fucking difference between staring down the barrel of an AK-47 being held by a 12 year old and murderdroning them while sitting in your air conditioned office in Nevada.

[JW]

there's a major fucking difference between staring down the barrel of an AK-47 being held by a 12 year old and murderdroning them while sitting in your air conditioned office in Nevada.

Only if there is a Republican is in the White House.

[some guy]

Two days before the election an Obamaphile stopped by my house to solicit my vote (never mind that I have a 'No soliciting' sign prominently displayed.) When she asked why I wouldn't be voting for Obama, the first thing I said was that I didn't like his drone war or the fact that he thinks its OK for the President to kill US citizens without a trial. She looked away and mumbled some shit about 9/11 and protecting people from constantly changing global threats. I told her this was American and we were supposed to be better than that. She wrote something on her clipboard and walked away.

Sacrificing your freedom is NOT the first step in protecting your freedom! Will the majority of our country ever get this?

[VG Zaytsev]

She was marking down that you were a non voter so that the ward boss could vote for you.

[some guy]

HA! Jokes on her. I voted for G. Johnson. Frankly I'm surprised she even wasted her time asking why I was voting for GJ instead of BO. I assumed she would have just checked "Third-party tard" and moved on to the next house.

[Lord Humungus]

The West is signing its own death sentence
Capitalism is, by its nature, dynamic. George Osborne's attempt to engineer the 'perfect society' undermines the logic of the free market
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....tence.html

But for us, right here, right now, it matters that Barack Obama and George Osborne are playing small-time strategic games with their toy-town enemies while the unutterable economic truth stares them in the face. (The political leadership of the EU seems to have passed through the looking glass into a world where the rules of economics do not apply, so their statements and actions are beyond analysis.) Mr Obama is locked in an eye-balling contest with a Republican Congress to see who can end up with more ignominy when the United States goes over the fiscal cliff. It is clear now that the president will be quite happy to bring about this apocalypse ? which would pull most of the developed world into interminable recession ? if he could be sure that it would result in long-term electoral damage to his opponents.

[LTC(ret) John]

"It is clear now that the president will be quite happy to bring about this apocalypse ? which would pull most of the developed world into interminable recession ? if he could be sure that it would result in long-term electoral damage to his opponents."

Forward! Revenge!

[Whiterun Guard]

But BOOOOOOSHH!!!!

[mad libertarian guy]

It is clear now that the president will be quite happy to bring about this apocalypse ? which would pull most of the developed world into interminable recession ? if he could be sure that it would result in long-term electoral damage to his opponents.

Was this ever really in question?

[mad libertarian guy]

The Westminster city council in London has banned rare and medium-rare burgers. For safety.

So the Brits want hockey pucks.

[Zeb]

Well, if it's fatty enough, well done burgers are OK. But with lean meat, yeah, terrible.

[mad libertarian guy]

I rarely eat beef anymore. It's all buffalo and game meat.

A well done burger with either of those would be horrific. Inedible.

[Zeb]

Indeed. I made the mistake of overcooking bison burger once and it was really not even worth bothering with.

[Bee Tagger]

Barack Obama is headed to Michigan to campaign for tax hikes. If campaigning non-stop's gotten him this far?

Any word on whether he's changing his campaign song to the ubiquitous Cheap Trick song?

[LTC(ret) John]

I Want You TO Want Me?

[RBS]

Oh goddamnit...

[Gene]

The Dream Police?

[Whiterun Guard]

Beds are Burning?

[robc]

Beds are Burning?

That is Midnight Oil.

[Whiterun Guard]

Whatever, some band with a bald guy in it from the '80s.

[LTC(ret) John]

He ended up a Minister in the government of Australia.

[sloopyinca]

I assume you're referring to their hit, "Up The Creek"?

[Pro Libertate]

"She's Tight?"

[Jerryskids]

Surrender?

[Jerryskids]

Or No Mercy?

[Mensan]

The Flame?

[Lord Humungus]

Syrian Rebels Tied to Al Qaeda Play Key Role in War
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12.....ml?hp&_r=0

The lone Syrian rebel group with an explicit stamp of approval from Al Qaeda has become one of the uprising's most effective fighting forces, posing a stark challenge to the United States and other countries that want to support the rebels but not Islamic extremists.

Money flows to the group, the Nusra Front, from like-minded donors abroad. Its fighters, a small minority of the rebels, have the boldness and skill to storm fortified positions and lead other battalions to capture military bases and oil fields. As their successes mount, they gather more weapons and attract more fighters.

[LTC(ret) John]

I am guessing the IDF is not amused.

[tarran]

Why wouldn't they be?

Al Queda does not have anti-Israeli goals as their primary mission (they added the pro-Palestinian arguments to their published casus belli as an afterthought).

Rather they are anti Shiite and anti Hezbollah and their successes will destroy Iran's supply lines to Lebanon.

Moreover, Al Queda institutes such a terrible tyranny wherever they gain power that there is almost invariably an armed uprising requiring brutal measures to retain power, which means that any country dominated by Al Queda is constantly losing the capability and industrial/economic capacity to invade anyone.

The IDF would probably kick back quite happily to watch two groups it dislikes thump each other.

[LTC(ret) John]

Should they pound each other, oh yes, then the smiles would be happening.

But the fact these guys are opening the door to "I'm a bigger and badder jihadi than you" means somebody is going to take a crack at Israel from their sooner or later. They had "admonished" Assad (ie. shooting down his air force, wiping that secret nuke place off the map) to the point he wasn't interested any more.

[LTC(ret) John]

*there*

[generic Brand]

Texas A&M's quarterback Johnny Manziel is the first freshman to win the Heisman trophy.

Thus further proving that the Heisman Trophy is not about on the field and off the field leadership, but who can best pad their stats sheet by the end of the season. Let this kid fucking win next year... the award should have gone to Teo.

[UnionBuiltOhioRoads]

Whoop!

Are you kidding? Unfortunate events dont entitle you to trophies. Youve been watching too much ESPN.

[generic Brand]

I feel that a vote for the Notre Dame linebacker is one that ESPN was NOT pushing. They were on the Johnny Football train for most of November.

Obviously unfortunate events don't entitle you to anything in life, but we exalt players who play through (excel, in fact) horrible events. Brett Favre's career game after his dad died; Tiger's play after his dad died... Teo was the heart of the Notre Dame defense this season, and it's tough to make the case that they would be playing for the national title if he weren't on the team.

[John]

He went 10-2 playing for a lousy team in a tough conference. aTm was a five hundred team last year playing in the Big 12 with a future first round draft pick at quarterback. This year they are 10-2 in the SEC with this kid at quarterback. That is pretty good. And him breaking Cam Newton's total offense record is good too.

[Spoonman.]

My wife sure was confused by all the "ATM" logos on cars when we lived in Texas. She at first thought a lot of people in Houston were into salad-tossing.

[John]

I always thought the aTm tag was a disrespectful way to refer to the former boys school known as Sing Sing on the Brazos.

[Brett L]

EaTmE is generally how we make fun of their monogram.

[UnionBuiltOhioRoads]

Better than t.u..

[sloopyinca]

Manziel was average at best against the few teams they played with winning records. His stat line was nowhere near what Klein's was, who had one bad game all season.

Meh, as long as he doesn't win a second one, I'll be fine with it as the award is nothing more than an exercise in ESPN seeing ho much they can control the minds of another group of voters.

[injanear]

Wrong. Taking over against Alabama (who's not exactly average) and breaking Cams total offense record is a pretty big stat.

[sloopyinca]

People are constantly breaking total and season records. It's because seasons are longer and defenses have been neutered by the idiotic rules made to "make the game safer" or "make the game more exciting".

Manziel's stats against some of the better opponents:
FLA: 173 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 60 yds rush, 1 TD
Ole Miss: 191 yds, 1 TD, 2 INT, 129 yds rush, 1 TD
LSU: 276 yds, 0 TD, 3 INT, 27 yds rush, 0 TD

Compare those to Klein and it's not even close.

[robc]

Lets compare:
Passing comp/att perc yds ypa td/int rating
Klein 180/272 66.2 2495 9.2 15/7 156.28
Manziel 273/400 68.3 3419 8.5 24/8 155.85

Klein has a slight lead in rating and in yards per attempt. Manziel threw more, so racked more yards. But, wait, there is more:
Rushing att yards ypc td
Klein 194 895 4.61 22
Manziel 184 1181 6.42 19

I see two very similar QBs, I would give slight edge to Manziel.

How you get "not even close" is beyond me.

[0073735963]

"People are constantly breaking total and season records. It's because seasons are longer and defenses have been neutered by the idiotic rules made to "make the game safer" or "make the game more exciting"."

You'd have a point if we were talking about a 30 year old record, but we aren't so your point is just that much more ignorant whining.

[sloopyinca]

You're right, number man. There have been absolutely no rule changes in the last two years that could help offenses out. None at all.

Thanks for setting me straight.

[John]

Klein was the more valuable player. KSU went 11-1 with him and would have been lucky to win five games without him. One bad night in Waco against a team that got really hot at the end of the season should not destroy an entire season's worth of work. But I don't think Manziel is totally undeserving. He won at Alabama and had great numbers on a 10-2 team.

[some guy]

What did it for me was that Manziel went to Alabama and carried his team to victory.

[Mike M.]

I'm not sure exactly what on the field and off the field leadership means, but it doesn't take too long to look at the list of recent Heisman winners to see what a joke the award is.

There really is no reliable formula to tell who the best college football player truly is, so stats are always going to be the big determining factor.

[Auric Demonocles]

The award seems to be the "running QB" award. I'm not sure why they're so enamored with QB rushing TDs.

[Whiterun Guard]

Well when they refused Tebow his second one it was the nail in the coffin of it being anything other than a retarded political statement.

[Auric Demonocles]

The Heisman Peace Prize?

[LTC(ret) John]

+1 award

[Red Rocks Rockin]

The irony is that Tebow would have won his second if the voting had been done after the national championship that year.

[Whiterun Guard]

Or if, you know, he wasn't white.

[Mike M.]

Anything in life that's determined by the media (over 90% of the Heisman voters) is almost always going to yield stupid results, because the media are mostly full of unqualified idiots.

These kinds of awards should never be taken nearly as seriously as they are. I'll just never understand why society confers so much wisdom and importance on what the fucking news media think about anything.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

I'm not sure exactly what on the field and off the field leadership means, but it doesn't take too long to look at the list of recent Heisman winners to see what a joke the award is.

It's been on a downhill trend for a while, but it officially became a joke when Ingram won the award over Suh, who absolutely dominated the competition and damn near carried a mediocre Nebraska team to the BCS all by himself.

Mark Schlereth made a pretty good point a couple weeks ago about the voting process--he brought up Terrell Suggs getting 24 sacks in 2002, yet never even received one vote for the Heisman. Hugh Green was similarly dominating the year that George Rogers won it, and while Derrick Thomas never would have overcome Barry Sanders in 1988, he still only finished 10th despite getting 27 sacks.

They really just need to rename the Heisman "Best QB or RB" award at this point and drop the pretense. Even Woodson had to return kicks and play part-time on offense to get his award.

[generic Brand]

This was the ultimate point I was trying to make. Thank you for being better at words than me, Triple R.

[Rasilio]

Who cares about this playground football crap.

The real football story this year is what is going on in Indy.

I mean if you were a scriptwriter who had written this story and submitted it to a studio you'd have been laughed out of LA.

Lets see, storied franchise with beloved but aging QB is always dominant, then QB gets hurt and just how weak the rest of the team around him is gets revealed as the team goes on to the worst record in the league. They tear the team apart and draft a rookie QB cutting ties with their beloved old guy.

Fast forward to training camp, the new head coach goes to his pre camp physical only something is wrong, gets blood work done and turns out he has cancer, needs immediate Chemo.

The team of mostly rookies with a handful of leftover vetrans, inspired by their coach's heroic struggle goes on to make the playoffs and with a 9-4 record to this point don't exactly look like they will be a pushover when they get there.

Now imagine if their first round matchup is against Denver and they manage to win that game?

[Brett L]

I need them to lose one more so that the Texans can lock up home field advantage. After that, I hope they go forth and kick ass. I believe its possible that the Colts and Texans could play 3 times in 5 weeks.

[Auric Demonocles]

Come on, you know the #2 seed just feels so right for the Texans. Just drop the next two games. It will feel like such a good fit.

[hamilton]

I, for one, certainly expect the Texans to drop their next game.

[Brett L]

Ah, so you're gonna be crying yourself to sleep tonight, hugging your Tom Brady sex doll and telling it that you'll protect him from that mean old JJ Watt. Sorry, buddy.

[LTC(ret) John]

OK, that was some quality trash talk... should the result back it up, it will be esteemed even more.

[hamilton]

Well, so much for that, then.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

Lets see, storied franchise with beloved but aging QB is always dominant, then QB gets hurt and just how weak the rest of the team around him is gets revealed as the team goes on to the worst record in the league. tanks the season to get the number one pick in the draft for his replacement.

Right before last season, I remember reading an article on SI talking about how Bill Polian was putting a ton of effort into scouting Andrew Luck once it looked like Manning was going to be out for the year. I knew right then Indy was going to suck ass, because even as awesome as Manning was, a Super Bowl-caliber team doesn't just completely fall off the cliff like that once he's gone. I'd understand if Indy had been losing close games throughout the season, but they were getting absolutely dominated on both ends of the field, and that kind of dropoff doesn't just happen to perennial playoff contenders.

[Rasilio]

Yeah, even if their 2 - 14 record was intentional remember, Manning was not the only person the team lost.

They pretty much cleaned house all the way through the organization in a total rebuild, including Pollian.

The fact that the rebuilt team is as good as it is may not be *that* surprising, the fact that the new head coach came down with Lukemia prior to the season and the largely rookie team is doing this well *IS* a surprise.

[0073735963]

"The real football story this year is what is going on in Indy."

Shitty football team becomes slightly less shitty?

Yeah, HUMONGOUS FUCKING STORY there nuthugger.

[sarcasmic]

The Westminster city council in London has banned rare and medium-rare burgers. For safety.

Know what they say.
In Heaven the cops are English, the chefs are French, and the cars are German.
In Hell the cops are German, the cars are French, and the chefs are English.

[LTC(ret) John]

I always heard this as when a Good European dies, he goes to Heaven, where the chefs are French, the police are English, everyone has an Italian lover and the Germans run the place. When a Bad European dies he goes to Hell, where the chefs are English, the police are French, everyone has German lover and the Italians run the place.

[LTC(ret) John]

Oh, and the Swiss all automatically end up in Purgatory/Limbo.

[Whiterun Guard]

I thought they guarded the pope in Heaven?

[Lord Humungus]

is there anything more twisted than German porn?

[Hell's Librarian]

Japanese porn.

[Lord Humungus]

TENTACLES!

[$park?]

"I figured if we had nothing to say to each other he would get bored; go away. But instead he uses it as an excuse to put his testicles all over me."

[Rasilio]

You notice a theme here?

The 2 countries with the most twisted porn are the main 2 axis countries from WW2.

There has got to be a connection somehow.

[Brett L]

American occupation?

[Rasilio]

Nah that can't be it.

I mean I know some of that freaky wierd German shit goes back well past World War 2.

Hell, Martin Luther was famously obsessed with shit being smeared over places.

[Zeb]

Well, the English get three things right, food wise (in my opinion): cheese, breakfast and beer.

And, somewhat surprisingly, the best burger I have had in my life was from a Turkish pita place in Cambridge, England.

[mad libertarian guy]

And, somewhat surprisingly, the best burger I have had in my life was from a Turkish pita place in Cambridge, England.

You must not have had very many good burgers.

[Zeb]

You must not have been to this place. I was as surprised as you. Speak not of what you don't know.

[sloopyinca]

While the English breakfast has its moments, it often consists of baked beans, horrible sausages and overcooked eggs.

Pass.

[Zeb]

OK, but you have to give it to them on cheese and beer. And I always thought that their eggs were generally undercooked, compared to what you usually get int he US. My ideal egg has the white completely cooked and the yolk completely liquid.

[mad libertarian guy]

But the roast pork and British Bacon is the fucking bomb.

[Atanarjuat]

I've heard good things about thick-sliced Australian bacon.

[Zeb]

And I like the horrible sausages.

[EDG reppin' LBC]

With HP Sauce. Yum.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Barack Obama is headed to Michigan to campaign for tax hikes.

I don't really understand what the campaigning is for. Does it make a difference at this point what people want?

[RBS]

No, but Obama feels the need to constantly explain things to us little people and when the little people don't like what he has to say his only response is to explain harder.

[Mensan]

By explain things you mean lie about things, right?

[Redmanfms]

You assume that 0 is smart enough to know he's merching horseshit. I'm starting to think he truly believes everything he says, which is why he gets so snippy and indignant the few times he gets questioned for saying something retarded. He would also help explain his total intransigence on any topic.

[R C Dean]

Obama just grooves on the whole rock-star ego rush of campaigning. Its really what he enjoys, unlike the drudgery of governing.

Now that he's got his flexibility, I suspect this is how he'll spend his time (and our money).

[DJF]

Your amnesty link goes to a story about 64% of Americans wanting to raise taxes on the rich. Is this what will happen after amnesty goes through?

[UnionBuiltOhioRoads]

Premonition

[sloopyinca]

Memphis must really be hurting for police officers if they're putting this guy back on the street.

[Matrix]

Guess I won't be getting burgers there. I only eat rare to medium rare. Fucking food fascists. Let me eat what I want to eat!

[Tim]

Eating has a number of negative policy outcomes. Our scientists are working on ways to replace it.

[Caleb Turberville]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/musi.....box-set-3m

The Residents are selling a $5 million box set (plus a $100,000 version for you bargain hunters)!

[Gene]

I bet the box contains a thumb drive and the word SUCKER scrawled on a piece of paper.

[sloopyinca]

If only this cop had spent more time at the range.

[Rich]

Neighbors who didn't want to be identified say Chavez moved in a couple months ago. Then they were happy to see a cop living next door, but now they're not so sure.

Nice story, sloopy.

[KMA Too]

Geez... I know it's late and all, but I can't believe no one here jumped on this gem:

"They say can't believe an officer sworn to serve and protect would act so recklessly."

[UnionBuiltOhioRoads]

"A new poll shows 62 percent of Americans in favor of a path to citizenship, or amnesty, for illegal immigrants"

Fine, but lets not repeat the 80s and get duped like Reagan was, ok?

Of course no real reform will happen. The borders will remain wide open as the accented socialist tidal wave continues.

[Ken Shultz]

I wish the borders were open. Sadly, they're not.

And if it weren't for the immigrants, all the average consumer would have to protect us from unions is foreign trade.

And something has to be done to stop the unions from dragging our economy down. If it weren't for free trade and immigration, the unions might turn the whole country into a shithold like Detroit.

[DJF]

You do realize that immigrants do join unions don't you?

Just like they do vote Democrat

[Ken Shultz]

Unions are generally hostile to immigration. ...and have been historically. Hell, even Caesar Chavez turned illegal immigrants in to INS. Their whole schtick is about monopolizing all labor's access to an industry--why would unions want competition from cheap immigrant labor?

That's one of the reasons why Obama has been so hostile to illegal immigrants during his administration.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09.....-2011.html

[DJF]

And how does this change the fact that immigrants join unions and vote Democratic?

[Ken Shultz]

I suspect one of most important reasons why people who identify with immigrants vote Democratic is because they perceive the Republican party as being especially hostile to immigrants.

The solution to Republicans being seen as especially hostile to immigrants isn't to get tough on immigration.

Cheap labor being an important ingredient for economic growth is another issue entirely. If access to cheap labor is bad for economic growth, then China must have had the slowest growing economy in the world over the last 15 years. By artificially inflating the cost of labor, unions are harming the economy--and immigration helps mitigate the damage they do to consumers.

Our quality of life depends on being able to get more stuff for less money, and immigrants help us do that with their inexpensive labor. ...and that remains true regardless of whether people who identify with immigrants vote Democratic. If you don't want immigrants voting against Republicans, then make the Republican party less hostile to Republicans. Don't work to harm our economy by restricting the free flow of labor.

[Ken Shultz]

"If you don't want immigrants voting against Republicans, then make the Republican party less hostile to Republicans. Don't work to harm our economy by restricting the free flow of labor."

*EDIT*

If you don't want immigrants voting against Republicans, then make the Republican party less hostile to [immigrants].

...but you probably already knew that.

[Zeb]

You are not free unless you are free to be wrong. Even people with silly political opinions have the right to work for a willing employer.

[Zeb]

American citizens also join unions and vote democratic. SO what?

[Francisco d Anconia]

Democrat... Republican... What's the difference? One will get us to Hell a little quicker than the other.

[Calidissident]

Do immigrants join unions at a rate higher than natives?

[mad libertarian guy]

Just like they do vote Democrat[.]

I'd argue they do so not because they are socialistas, but because Team RED could scarcely be more hostile to immigrants than they are. If they would tone down the rhetoric, immigrants would vote for them in a more equitable way. It's as simple as that.

[DJF]

Its not about anti-immigrant rhetoric It is about poor people (which most immigrants are) wanting goodies from the government. That is why they join unions and vote Democratic.

Reagan gave them amnesty, yet they still voted Democratic.

[sloopyinca]

Wait, are you telling me that poor immigrants are in unions? But I thought all unions guaranteed their members a living wage.

[DJF]

"""But I thought all unions guaranteed their members a living wage."""

Really, you thought that? I thought that the only guarantee was to the wages of the Union leadership and pushing that leaderships social and economic agenda.

But this does not seem to stop immigrants either joining unions or voting Democratic

[sloopyinca]

Really, you thought that?

Of course not. What do you take me for, retarded?

[mad libertarian guy]

And how do we explain Bush 2 who received over 40% of the hispanic vote?

His rhetoric was less than hostile.

The idea that immigrants come in and join unions and vote Team BLUE because they are socialists is fucking stupid.

[Calidissident]

How does this explain the fact that Asians, who on average make more than whites, have a comparable poverty rate, and use welfare at a lower rate, voted for Obama in greater numbers than Hispanics? Asians also voted for Prop 30 in California in greater numbers than Latinos (who didn't support it that much more than whites did). Jews also voted for Obama at a similar rate as Hispanics, and they're more economically successful than non-Jewish whites

[Zeb]

Don't you need to be a citizen to vote?

[DJF]

You do realize that not all immigrants are illegal. Between half and 1 million immigrants become citizens each year.

[Zeb]

OK, point taken. Still, I'm not sure why it is relevant how they vote. Immigration policy should not be about social engineering.

[VG Zaytsev]

Don't you need to be a citizen to vote?

Good thing we have universal voter id laws.

[Zeb]

DJF makes the valid point that immigrant is not the same as non-citizen. But I'm going to need to see some evidence that lots of non-citizens are voting before I get worked up about that.

[Calidissident]

Also, why are we operating under the assumption that voting Democrat is an unforgivable sin,but voting Republican is perfectly ok? As if the line between capitalist and socialist conveniently runs in the 3.5 inches that separate the two parties on the political spectrum?

[UnionBuiltOhioRoads]

Indeed. In my industry, unions have single handily destroyed the US flagged merchant fleet. The AMO gestapos now want in the Gulf Of Mexico.

Parasites they are.

I dont agree that immigration has inevitably proven to help the overall economic situation. Actually, it seems to be that they turn out the same-eventually rioting and forming unions, and of course voting Democrat liberal.

[Zeb]

The borders are wide open? Interesting. Someone should tell all those people sneaking in through the desert that they are wasting their time.

[LTC(ret) John]

And put the coyotes out of business - think of it as jobs program!

[UnionBuiltOhioRoads]

How many more migrants and illegals are now in the U.S since Reagan declared Amnesty for all of them in the 80s?

[mad libertarian guy]

How many more migrants and illegals are now in the U.S since Reagan declared Amnesty for all of them in the 80s?

How many fewer since they been deported by the millions per annum over at least the last 2 administrations?

[Zeb]

I don't know. But it has nothing to do with whether the borders are wide open or not.

[Ken Shultz]

Hugo Chavez's cancer is back.

http://professional.wsj.com/ar.....96560.html

LOL

I don't know if this should be called a deathwatch or a countdown, but either way...

LO f'n L

[LTC(ret) John]

I suppose I can hope for a deathbed conversation in favor of freedom.... oops, maybe not - looks like Nicholas Maduro (who, honestly, looks like a Sasha Baron Cohen character) will keep the Revolution Pure!

[$park?]

You yammer at people who say "cunt," but you'll laugh at a guy dying of cancer? I'll figure you out one day Ken Shultz!

[Ken Shultz]

Dude...

Think of this way.

We don't want to make libertarianism unappealing to women and minorities.

Because we want to encourage women and minorities to be hostile to authoritarians like Hugo Chavez. (...and hostile to people with authoritarian tendencies like Obama and Elizabeth Warren.)

We should piss on the heads of authoritarians--just not for being a woman or a minority.

[sloopyinca]

So...if it was a socialist asshole that happened to be a woman, you wouldn't be laughing?

You're a sexist, Kendall. A fucking sexist cunt.

[Ken Shultz]

Sure I would!

I just wouldn't be using the language you used out of concern that my opposition to her authoritarianism would be misconstrued as misogyny.

I bash Elizabeth Warren all the freaking time. ...just never for being a woman.

I bash Barack Obama all the freaking time as being a shit-eating aardvark. ...just never for being black.

This is why the authoritarian socialists love having minority and woman champions: because it makes it easy to denounce the libertarian minded among us for opposing their authoritarianism becasue Warren is a woman or becasue Obama is black.

How many times did you hear people say during the campaign that Obama is pretty much just like Bush, and the only reason white people on the right oppose Obama is becasue he's black?

It's the same thing with women. Opening ourselves up to that sort of criticism may be one of the biggest challenges we face in terms of getting libertarianism across to the masses. The problem isn't something I made up; it's something I noticed.

It's bad enough as it is without shooting ourselves in the foot. I think we are unfairly thought of by many as being racist and misogynistic, and it's too bad we have to live that accusation down more so than the authoritarians do. ...but if that's the way it is, then that's what we have to do--regardless of whether it's a fair criticism.

There really shouldn't be anything controversial about any of this.

[sloopyinca]

Jesus Christ, man. I was just making a joke.

[Ken Shultz]

other people have said the same thing to me, and they weren't joking.

[$park?]

You think laughing at somebody who's dying of cancer makes you look like a humanitarian?

[Ken Shultz]

If it's an authoritarian scumbag? I think so! I'm not especially concerned about being seen as insensitive to dictator buffoons.

As long as we're not making ourselves look like racists or misogynists or whatever--we should definitely do what we can to denigrate authoritarians.

I hope Assad's head ends up on a stick. I hope the boy-leader of North Korea slips on a banana peel, cracks his skull and dies. ...and when they do, I'm gonna laugh my ass off.

I've volunteered to do dog rescue and work in homeless shelters--becasue I care. But when an authoritarian demagogue like Hugo Chavez dies, we should all throw a party to celebrate.

I hope it's a painful death.

[$park?]

Delighting in the pain and misery of others, no matter how deserving of it they are, will turn off more women than using the word "cunt." I'm quite certain that women are turned off by sadistic fuckers.

[Ken Shultz]

I'm not sure I'm being sadistic. It seems to me more like I'm being insensitive to sadistic fuckers.

[$park?]

I hope Assad's head ends up on a stick. I hope the boy-leader of North Korea slips on a banana peel, cracks his skull and dies.
...
I hope it's a painful death.

Yeah, you're right. Nothing sadistic to see here.

[Ken Shultz]

Consider the target.

Wishing a painful death on a puppy and wishing a painful death on a vile dictator are not the same thing.

[$park?]

You're failing to see the point, over and over again. Wishing a painful death is not a good thing. Period. The target is irrelevant.

[Ken Shultz]

My church school bible teacher would agree with you 100%.

And maybe you're right.

[Francisco d Anconia]

I really don't have any problem wishing bad things on bad people.

Provided you don't take action to bring about said "bad things."

The world will be a better place when Chavez is dead. Period. It would be immoral to kill him, but I'll be happy when he's dead.

Karma!

[T]

Karma's a bitch, Sparky. Chavez is responsible for untold human suffering. It's only fair he gets some back on his way out.

[$park?]

Chavez is responsible for untold human suffering. It's only fair he gets some back on his way out.

Live by the sword, die by the sword is fair enough. As long as you acknowledge that it's an unsavory position for some.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Eating rare hamburgers is unsavory for some. As is saying the word "cunt".

[Hyperion]

We don't want to make libertarianism unappealing to women

So what do we do to fix that? Promise them that when we are in power that they all get free abortions and birth control?

[Kaptious Kristen]

Nope - just get rid of Ken Shultz and the chicks will be signing up in droves!

[Ken Shultz]

Women find me irresistible.

[Ken Shultz]

"So what do we do to fix that? Promise them that when we are in power that they all get free abortions and birth control?"

I don't claim to have the solution on how to fix that, but I think we should probably try not to actively discourage them or chase them away.

I think of it as like...you know when you meet a nice girl you really like? And you're thinking you want to ask her out?

Generally speaking, before you get to the point where you think she might go out with you if you asked, you don't want to use the "c-word" around her a lot or pick your nose.

Because a lot of women don't really find that sort of thing appealing. That's all I'm tryin' to say.

[$park?]

I'm not a woman so I could be wrong, but I suspect that talking about how much you'd love to see someone die a horrible, agonizing death may also turn her off.

[Ken Shultz]

You might be right.

But then there's stuff like this which is awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFjLmqAZ_0o

Insensitive to John Wayne? Perhaps.

But it isn't insensitive to minorities.

Bob Dylan could be pretty insensitive. Ever listened to "Masters of War"?

If libertarianism were associated with openly insensitive to racism, bigotry, etc., along with vile dictators, I think that would be great.

Maybe I'm wrong.

[Heroic Mulatto]

We don't want to make libertarianism unappealing to women and minorities

Yet, minorities like me, who commit the sin of disagreeing with you, you'll accuse of being "rednecks in blackface".

You're nothing but a clown, Kendall Shultz.

[Ken Shultz]

Interesting quote.

You got a link for that quote, or are you just lying again?

[Heroic Mulatto]

You deny that you accused me of not being multi-racial and do you deny that you accused me of actually being a "redneck"?

Do you think people have that short of a memory, Kendall?

[Ken Shultz]

So you have no link to that quote.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Really? This is the game you're playing? You have the gall to deny that you accused me of not being multi-racial because I held views you think an ethnic minority should have? You're going to disingeniously pretend that you're not smart enough to recognize the difference between a quote and a paraphrase?

You know, after you embarassed yourself by claiming I wasn't whom I claimed to be and then having been proven wrong after I posted some pictures of myself, you could have been a man and apologized.

You could have said, "hey, you know what, we may have our disagreements, but I went a little to far this time, and I'm sorry." Instead, you double-down on your stupidity like a stubborn, petulant child.

And you have the nerve to claim to be the voice of sensitivity and inclusiveness in the liberty movement?

What a sad, little man you are.

[Heroic Mulatto]

*shouldn't have

[Ken Shultz]

Right, you put quotes around something--and you lied.

Again.

And you still can't supply a link.

Because it was a lie.

That makes you a liar.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Shuck and jive, Kendall, shuck and jive.

I ask you again, do you deny that you "that you accused me of not being multi-racial because I held views you think an ethnic minority should have?"

Answer that question and I'll supply all the links you want.

Answer the question, but you won't, because you know what you wrote, but you're too chicken shit to admit it.

Answer the question you fucking racist piece of shit.

[LTC(ret) John]

I seem to remember Ken mentioning he thought a lack of color to be an HM attribute. So, IIRC, HM is correct. It seems to me it was within the last 6 weeks or so.

[Ken Shultz]

He won't link to it becasue he's so ashamed of what he wrote.

I simply asked him whether Heroic Mulatto was an attempt to stab at Barack Obama because of his race.

I mean, if you came across someone named Heroic Mulatto, who's terrified of Muslims and gets all offended when anybody says anything bad about rednecks, what would you think?

A) He's taking a stab at the president for his race?

B) He's a mixed race Trinidadian talking about himself?

I never said anything to be ashamed of. He's so ashamed of what he wrote in that thread, he won't even link to it.

And besides that, he's lying. He's quoting things I never said, and attributing them to me in quotes. He's really weird.

And he's a liar. Otherwise he'd link to where he quoted me. He can't becasue he's a liar.

[Kaptious Kristen]

Maybe they'll infect him with HIV in order to cure him...

[Lord Humungus]

"We had to destroy the city to save it."

[Hell's Librarian]

Back in the day (like the eighteenth century) there were some who cured syphilis by inducing malaria, so it isn't an unprecedented idea!

[Ken Shultz]

Barack Obama is siccing the IRS on people who can't afford health insurance--to help them get health insurance. So, it's a strategy that's widely adaptable to address other kinds of problems, too.

[SugarFree]

There is also a form of bladder cancer that can be put into remission with introduction of live tubercle bacillus via catheter.

[Rich]

Based on USDA Food Stamp data, each person in the workforce provides almost $45 a month to food stamp recipients.

[DJF]

I find that hard to believe, everyone I see at the grocery stores using EBT cards are so slim and trim.

Ha, Ha, Just kidding.

[Rich]

Oh, SNAP!

[sloopyinca]

Oh, SNAP!

Please tell me that pun was intended.

[db]

That right there is a thing of beauty.

[NoVAHockey]

exactly. Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)

[Whiterun Guard]

So very racist!

[mr lizard]

Well that's good. I like to know how much I'm paying to wait behind someone as they negotiate EBT allowed items with the cashier.

[Rich]

Be sure to say "You're welcome". That's generally good for an amusing reaction.

[mr lizard]

Ummmm I'll pass. At my grocery store that would be asking for trouble. And not even the security guard with the .357 will save me. I may be an asshole, but it's just a hobby.

[db]

They need to have a separate EBT only lane at the checkout.

[R C Dean]

But we can't stigmatize the poor little grifters and parasites!

[SIV]

I suspect EBT rules are why there are no longer any "cash only" lines at any of the supermarkets I frequent.

[SugarFree]

Well, that and the fact that most cashiers under 20 look at you like you've offered to barter with bloody goat skins if you hand them cash. This one girl at Starbucks froze up like a crashed computer when I handed her a five the other day. Her supervisor stepped in and made my change.

[JW]

I've actually had to tell cashiers how much change I'm owed, even though the the cash register bank card receipt generator just did it for them.

[robc]

This one girl at Starbucks froze up like a crashed computer

Japanese android technology has come a long way.

[hamilton]

I have no witty repartee but wanted to note that I noticed the new Snorg Tees girl.

[Ken Shultz]

One of the old ones went out and had a...breast reduction for some reason.

http://thechive.com/2010/12/22.....17-photos/

You'd think President Obama would step in and do something about the breast reduction menace.

He's always going around saying how important it is to protect our natural resources, but when he has a chance to really do something about conservation, what happens?

Nothing.

And another one bites the dust.

[Jordan]

What a shame. The terrorists have won.

[sloopyinca]

Laugh at reverse boob jobs all you want, but Banjos couldn't get into a 36-DDDD nursing bra the other day. It may be time to scale those puppies back a bit before they create their own gravity field.

[John]

For some women they are great. A good surgeon can make large bordering on saggy breasts into works of art.

[Kaptious Kristen]

Yeah, it's totally the word "cunt" that keeps women away from libertarianism.

[SugarFree]

🙂

[hamilton]

One more point for KK 🙂

[Ken Shultz]

"Yeah, it's totally the word "cunt" that keeps women away from libertarianism."

Breasts?

Yeah, I'm a big fan.

If the success of libertarianism requires me to stop being physically attracted to women, then I'm afraid America is just gonna have to become a totalitarian dictatorship.

[hamilton]

We became that already. Where've you been?

[Red Rocks Rockin]

I thought it was the constant monocle-polishing demands.

[Brett L]

I think they found a new photographer who doesn't hate women. Its really helping.

[sloopyinca]

In 2010, on-duty cop mows down two men while drunk and kills them. The trial, which is yet to begin for some reason, has now been moved.

I guess it's common to move DUI manslaughter trials for the proles as well, isn't it?

[sloopyinca]

New Jersey cop indicted for being a pederast.

[Caleb Turberville]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....69202.html

Seahawks beat the Cardinals 58-0. Meanwhile, the Browns have a 3-game winning streak and could theoretically make the playoffs.

[Auric Demonocles]

Maybe the Mayans were right.

[Virginian]

http://profootballmock.com/nfl.....osite-day/

[Rich]

Before and after meth photos

Not Safe for Breakfast

[Brett L]

And the moral of the story is: street meth has shitty QC. Legalize it and these problems will go away. You won't see before and after Adderall shots like this.

[Jumbie]

I've met some social justice warriors before, especially during my time in Teacher Ed in Toronto, but this one... WOW.

http://notalwaysworking.com/a-.....uses/27078

[$park?]

There's a guy just like that on one of the Boston radio stations.

[WTF]

That is a special form of insanity.

[John]

This is painful for a liberal to admit," writes liberal New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, "but conservatives have a point when they suggest that America's safety net can sometimes entangle people in soul-crushing dependency."

http://washingtonexaminer.com/.....MXxNKFQjcM

But liberals will continue to bankrupt the country with such programs and call anyone who questions them heartless. Fuck you Nick.

[Jersey Patriot]

And how many government checks have you cashed? *chuckle*

[John]

That is right Jersey. I have cashed a lot. And they just gave them to me. I never worked or lived in shitty places doing shitty jobs or anything. They just gave them to me.

God you are a sorry fucking moron. Just sorry son. You don't even make a good sock puppet.

[Troy muy grande boner]

Given how much you fucking post on this site, yeah, I would say they give them to you. Because when I was a lawyer, I sure as fuck didn't have the kind of time you do to appeal to us with all your pithy comments.

[John]

Because when I was a lawyer, I sure as fuck didn't have the kind of time you do to appeal to us with all your pithy comments.

What? Were you too busy grinding sand in your vagina?

[Warty]

The Westminster city council in London has banned rare and medium-rare burgers.

Joe? Wanna come FACTPWN me again, you pitiful midget fuck?

[John]

In the words of Tony Bourdain, if you don't eat your hamburger medium rare, the terrorists have won.

[$park?]

Or you just like your meat a little more cooked. I know, I know, teh HORROR!

[John]

That or you are just humorless and annoying and can't appreciate a good hyperbole.

[$park?]

I see you've been spelled from your stint in the War on Christmas.

[John]

Ah ok.

[Warty]

FAGGOT

[$park?]

What you and Epi do in your spare time is no concern of mine.

[Warty]

joe, like Al Qaeda, hates us for our freedoms.

[WTF]

I'm pretty sure joe hates us for our height, too.

[NoVAHockey]

my wife saw him speak a year or so ago. he went on a 15 mins rant against Rachel Ray and her dunkin donuts sponsorship. nothing against donuts, but her hypocrisy.

[John]

What is her hypocrisy? And who doesn't love doughnuts?

[Kaptious Kristen]

Yeah, I don't get it either. It's not like Rachel Ray ever promoted high-end, locally-sourced gourmet foods. She's always been down-market in the food business, so her relationship with Dunkin doesn't seem at all hypocritical.

[Rasilio]

Yeah but the best thing about Rachel Ray was her show $40 a day.

So here she is traveling to all these exotic locales and showing how you can eat for under $40 a day in them, the fun thing is the number of times she essentially had a Donut for lunch so she could save money to get plastered.

It was also funny watching he hit on pretty much anything that moved (of either gender)

[John]

She sounds like a good time to me.

[NoVAHockey]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/.....MX-d-RIiJs

[NoVAHockey]

I have have been wrong about the hypocrisy angle.

[VG Zaytsev]

"She's got a magazine, a TV empire, all these best-selling books ? I'm guessing she's not hurting for money," Anthony ranted re: Rachael in a portion of the interview republished in the New York Post's Page Six. "She's hugely influential, particularly with children. And she's endorsing Dunkin' Donuts. It's like endorsing crack for kids."

The crotchety cook made it clear he's not coming from some moral high ground.

[Hell's Librarian]

I don't know about her hypocrisy, but he hates Rachel Ray because he thinks her approach to meals (judicious usage of prepackaged products and so on-- I seem to recall he specifically mentions frozen corn as opposed to fresh corn, for example) cheapens good food. I think Ray Ray has some spectacular failings as a cook/ chef, but her idea of trying to simplify food prep isn't one of them.

[$park?]

The problem with foodies is that they piss on people who just want something to eat and don't want to spend an hour making dinner.

[John]

^^THIS^^

[John]

And as funny as he can be, he is full of shit about that. Not everyone has the time or the skill to make what he considers good food. Ray makes cooking accessible to people who don't have a lot of technical skill. There is a place for that. Fuck Tony Bourdain on this one. People who come home from work and some ridiculous commute don't really have the time or energy to worry about frozen corn.

[Hell's Librarian]

Yeah, it's one thing if you're a professional chef who wants to eat like that, and thinks nothing of extended food prep time, but most of us just want a decent, hot meal to put on the table at the end of the day and don't much care if part of it comes from a package.

[$park?]

Someone should ask ole Tony how much time he spends milking his cows, churning his butter, and making his cheese. He can cram his 'holier than thou' food ideals up his ass sideways.

[JW]

And as funny as he can be, he is full of shit about that. Not everyone has the time or the skill to make what he considers good food.

I have a serious man-crush on Bourdain, but it's a bit thin gruel coming from a guy who's entire show was based around eating meals prepared by other people.

[Redmanfms]

I have a serious man-crush on Bourdain, but it's a bit thin gruel coming from a guy who's entire show was based around eating meals prepared by other people.

You have a man-crush on a pretentious douchebag?

Bourdain is possibly the most pretentious, self-absorbed proto-hipster ever given public attention. He's fucking worthless. And his food criticism? He loves everything he eats, and loves it especially more if it's some turd world "poor peoples'" meal. He seems to love simplicity and "honest" ingredients so long as the prep and ingredient shopping isn't done by Americans.

He's a douchey douche of maximum pretentious douche with possibly the 2nd most punchable face on TV (after Bill Maher).

/rant

[Atanarjuat]

I agree with every word, Redman. Bourdain is punchable and smug. Though I did kinda enjoy his first book.

[sarcasmic]

As much as I can't stand her, I've got to give her credit for teaching time management skills.

[sloopyinca]

You get your time management skills from Rachel Ray and your news from the Daily Fail.

It's all starting to make sense. :-0

[LTC(ret) John]

And the judges award this round, unanimously, to sloopy.

[hamilton]

I saw him a month ago in Boston. he actually said he had a big libertarian streak (this in a rant about Paula Deen), but kinda drifted back to traditional liberal. But he does hate Mark Bittman, so that's a plus.

[John]

I think at heart he is a libertarian. He just doesn't have the balls to be one in public or admit to himself that being a liberal for so long was stupid.

[Kaptious Kristen]

He's only a libertarian when it comes to food. His episode with Ted Nugent demonstrated his lack of libertarian cred when it comes to other issues.

[hamilton]

I agree, although in the live show in Boston he actually played a clip from that episode and said it was one of his favorite times (despite their political opposition).

[Red Rocks Rockin]

although in the live show in Boston he actually played a clip from that episode and said it was one of his favorite times (despite their political opposition).

These guys live in such a political bubble that they're actually surprised people with whom they disagree can still be a lot of fun to hang out with.

Christ, if I got rid of all my liberal friends I'd hardly have anyone to talk to.

[Warty]

I forget who it was that I was talking to about the Chiefs a while ago, but you, whoever you are, were completely right. The Chiefs are every bit as pathetic as the 2008 Browns. You have my sympathy.

[John]

It was probably me. And they are horrible. They went 10 games this year without holding a single lead in regulation. That hasn't been done since 1929. The NFL is entirely built on parity. That should never happen. But it did. They are one amazing collapse by New Orleans, and one murder suicide inspired win from matching the Lions for futility. And this in a year where there is no franchise quarterback to be had in the draft. God hates Kansas City.

When the current GM took over after a 2-14 season he memorably told the team and the press that you could win two games with 45 guys off the street. Now four years later, he is going to go 2-14 with his "right 45" off the street.

[Warty]

It was fun watching Brady Quinn be Brady Quinn for someone else. I missed his look of bewilderment.

[John]

What is funny is, he looked like Tom Brady against the Panthers. It is as if he can only play if someone on the team murders his girlfriend and commits suicide the day before the game. There has never been a more inexplicable performance than Quin's one last week.

And to think the Chiefs passed on Russell Wilson three times in the last draft.

[Whiterun Guard]

Could be worse. You could be a London Jags fan.

[JW]

Has anyone hooked up a generator to Hank Stram's grave yet?

[Auric Demonocles]

If they get the number one pick I think they'd be better off trading it, even though they need a QB.

[John]

But no one will want it. I think they are probably better off taking the kid from Notre Dame. It sounds insane to take a middle linebacker number one. But he seems like a really great player and this draft just sucks that bad.

[Ken Shultz]

Any general manager that takes a linebacker with the first pick, is on the road to join Casserly in the unemployment line after he picked Mario Williams over Reggie Bush or Vince Young.

...and it doesn't matter if you're right. Casserly was right. He was right and unemployed.

[Brett L]

I dunno. Seems like the Texans dodged a bullet by giving Vince Young a pass. Also, Houston seems to actually give a shit about their players having some character. They have way less crazy on their team than the league average. And that's why they are 11-1 and Detroit is 4-9 with similar talent levels, schedule strengths, and number of close games this season.

[Ken Shultz]

"I dunno. Seems like the Texans dodged a bullet by giving Vince Young a pass."

That's exactly what I'm saying.

And would you rather have Arian Foster or Reggie Bush.

Taking Williams over Young turned out to be an act of genius, but that didn't matter--Casserly got fired for making the right pick anyway.

It's sort of like the old adage about how no one every got fired for recommending Intel. That used to drive AMD crazy! If the processor fails, and it's Intel, no one would question why you chose Intel--because that's what they expected. ...but if you recommended AMD, and the processor failed, you could get fired for it.

If we're talking about a #1 or #2 pick, then making the bad pick everyone expected you to pick won't get you fired, but making the right pick against everyone's expectations might. There's just not as much risk in doing what's expected.

[John]

That general manager is on his way out anyway. He won't be making the pick. And Casserly got killed because he took a linebacker over a local favorite QB. There is no such QB available this year. No one will blame the Chiefs for taking Tao or whatever his name is.

[sloopyinca]

They could always trade it to the Raiders. Aren't they overdue for an idiotic draft day move? I mean, it's been 18 months.

[John]

The problem is that the Raiders suck so bad, what would they have to give in return? Maybe two future first rounders or something I guess.

[Auric Demonocles]

And then the Raiders will inexplicably have their best season in years so your traded first round pick falls all the way to the mid-teens...

[Ken Shultz]

"They could always trade it to the Raiders. Aren't they overdue for an idiotic draft day move? I mean, it's been 18 months."

Al Davis is dead. I don't think they'll be making the same kinds of mistakes again.

And they've made some good moves. Bringing in Carson Palmer was a good move.

They need to get McFadden off their cap or start rolling him up in bubble wrap. That guy hurts his ankle every time he gets out of bed in the morning.

[SFC B]

And they've made some good moves. Bringing in Carson Palmer was a good move.

bringing in Carson Palmer for what it cost was a terrible move. They traded their 2012 1st round pick and their 2013 2nd rounder. If they were willing to give up that much for Palmer, they could probably have made a run at a trade for RG3.

[Ken Shultz]

Very well could be.

[Auric Demonocles]

...and it doesn't matter if you're right.

John and I never said we thought that the Chiefs would do this stuff, just that they should.

[Ken Shultz]

Right.

[Mike M.]

Look for them do something really stupid, like trade for Michael Vick.

[John]

I would actually be okay with that if they didn't give up much. He can't be any worse than Quinn or Castle.

[Auric Demonocles]

*Cassel.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

The problem with bringing in Vick is that you know he's going to get hurt at least 1-2 times a season.

And yeah, it sucks for the Chiefs that no apparent franchise QB is coming out, but KC has been a graveyard for QBs for decades. Other than outliers like Trent Green (who benefitted from Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson carrying the ball 400 times a year) and a past-his-prime Joe Montana, the team hasn't had anyone they could build an offense around since Len Dawson.

[Brett L]

Holy shit. I was at the beach all weekend and didn't watch a lick of football. Apparently, it was 'shit the bed' week in the NFL. However, picking against my instincts and taking Eli and the NYG proved inspired. If I had picked the Saints and returned from the beach to find out Eli hung 52 on them, I'd have definitely gone on a killing spree.

[Auric Demonocles]

Looks like 11 is gonna win it this week (possibly even 10).

[Thane of Whiterun]

My favorite whore
Is back for more.
And was does an attention whore want most?
Why, an entry in the Huffington Post!

[Hell's Librarian]

cumming

That's where I stopped reading. There are some words that act as fingernails on a chalkboard, and made-up words are like that to me.

[John]

Young people like the screw. It amazes me how every few years some budding college journalist gives us this revelation like it is something new or profound.

[Hell's Librarian]

It amazes me how every few years some budding college journalist gives us this revelation like it is something new or profound.

Haha yes! No one ever had sex before they enlightened the rest of the world about it.

[Brett L]

Its funny because journalists like to write about their profession like all they do is drink, fuck, fight and work, but any time you see an actual article about any of the first three subjects, they're written with an air of mystery.
"College kids like to drink before they go out? When did this happen?"
"Young people like to fuck and will engage in risky behavior to do so?"

[Thane of Whiterun]

She's not just screwing, she's discovering her sexual identity. Sheesh.

Still trying to decide if she's actually unaware that the problem is not the sex, but the fact that she's doing it in public, or if she's just choosing to ignore it.

[Brett L]

What's wrong with discreet public sex? Its kind of fun and exciting. They took reasonable efforts not to be discovered. It sounds fun without being too risky. Very appropriate for college kids.

[Thane of Whiterun]

It's not their property.

[Brett L]

Lighten up, Francis.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Yeah, I agree. I think it's refreshing. Americans are WAY too uptight about sex.

Good for her.

[JW]

http://sfist.com/2012/12/04/uc.....ly_cal.php

Please don't fuck in the library. I work here. My staff works here. I told my staff I'd do what I can to make sure theirs is a safe and happy workplace. Now, in addition to pedophiles, thieves, and people with poor bowel function, I've got kids using shitty liberal arts justifications to fuck in the library.

Incidentally, thank you for advising people not to ejaculate in the library. After cleaning up garbage, graffiti, shit that is apparently dropped from 10 feet above the toilet, and a variety of bodily fluids, I hesitate to ask cleaning staff to add ejaculate to that list.

[Thane of Whiterun]

Francis?

I don't get it.

[JW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs

[Thane of Whiterun]

^ Yeah, that pretty much sounds like me.

[Francisco d Anconia]

I can't believe you didn't recognize that line.

How old are you?

[Thane of Whiterun]

Not old enough, apparently

[Hell's Librarian]

Ethical screwers don't involve others-- even potentially-- in their sexcapades without their consent, so I surmise she is choosing to ignore it.

[Thane of Whiterun]

She even wrote a patronizing column about consent -- which was hypocritical even before this because she had written previously that during her "second first time" (i.e., lesbian sex) she was drunk.

[JW]

Her parents must be so proud.

[Thane of Whiterun]

According to a commenter somewhere, saying "her parents must be so proud" is code for "her father owns her until he sells her off to a groom for five dollars and a goat."

[Red Rocks Rockin]

According to a commenter somewhere, saying "her parents must be so proud" is code for "her father owns her until he sells her off to a groom for five dollars and a goat."

Depends on what her parents are like. It's not surprising that, for example, Lena Dunham is so fucked up because her parents are both mentally broken wastes obsessed with body parts.

Maybe Cho's parents ARE proud of her for being a walking petri dish.

[Thane of Whiterun]

Maybe Cho's parents ARE proud of her for being a walking petri dish.

She (and presumably her parents) are Korean, so it's possible, but I doubt it.

[Francisco d Anconia]

What does consent have to do with being drunk?

[Thane of Whiterun]

http://www.dailycal.org/2012/1.....st-be-had/

[Francisco d Anconia]

Okay... I read this quickly, but saw nothing about intoxication. Did I miss something?

What's your point? What does being drunk have to do with consent?

[Thane of Whiterun]

Apparently you haven't seen all the feminist bullshit AuH20 and Coeus like to post.

Anyway, from the linked piece:

If you're too drunk to ask for consent, you're too drunk to have sex. If you are intoxicated, you are legally considered incapable of giving consent. Having sex with a person whose mental capacity to give consent is diminished due to intoxication is seen as sexual assault under the law. Be sure all partners are able to communicate clearly when there is alcohol or substances involved.

Personally I think it's more subtle than that, but she evidently doesn't, and hence is a hypocrite.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Sorry, missed it.

If you're too drunk to ask for consent, you're too drunk to have sex.

Seems to me she's drawing a distinction between drunk and incapacitated.

Her statement:

If you are intoxicated, you are legally considered incapable of giving consent.

Is essentially correct (unfortunately) in some states. Not sure how that makes her a hypocrite? She apparently doesn't agree with the law, and has stated where she thinks the the line should be drawn.

[Thane of Whiterun]

Eh, maybe she is, but she takes on a pretty strict tack in the rest of the article that doesn't make it sound like she's leaving much room for distinction.

At best she just did a crappy job at conveying it.

[R C Dean]

If you are intoxicated, you are legally considered incapable of giving consent.

Umm, no, not really. "I was drunk" is a tough argument when trying to void a contract. You might have a chance if you can show you were "involuntarily" intoxicated, but if you got drunk on purpose, courts are generally reluctant to give say that your own misbehavior is grounds for letting you off the hook.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Hey, don't get me going. Saying a woman cannot be held responsible for her actions because she's drunk is akin to saying I'm not responsible if I murder someone while drunk.

I thought her statement was BS, so I looked it up.

While it does vary from state-to-state, in many states, if the person is intoxicated, he/she is incapable of giving legal consent to such contact.

Source 1

Source 2

[Kaptious Kristen]

I agree HL. I do grant an exception for this (which I never got my hands on), because Alan Cumming is awesome.

[Hell's Librarian]

LOL. That was awesome. I love his little snicker at the end of it.

[Rasilio]

Wait, so asian females are "women of color" now?

[Hell's Librarian]

Everyone except Caucasians are "of color."

[Thane of Whiterun]

I noticed that too.

But yes, of course they are -- they're yellow.

Don't actually say that out loud, though.

[Heroic Mulatto]

I take it you've never been to Southeast Asia? Many women with absolutely flawless mahogany complexions.

[Rasilio]

Krugman being Krugman...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/book.....-economics

There are certain novels that can shape a teenage boy's life. For some, it's Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged; for others it's Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings. As a widely quoted internet meme says, the unrealistic fantasy world portrayed in one of those books can warp a young man's character forever; the other book is about orcs. But for me, of course, it was neither. My Book ? the one that has stayed with me for four-and-a-half decades ? is Isaac Asimov's Foundation Trilogy, written when Asimov was barely out of his teens himself. I didn't grow up wanting to be a square-jawed individualist or join a heroic quest; I grew up wanting to be Hari Seldon, using my understanding of the mathematics of human behaviour to save civilisation.

[$park?]

I didn't grow up wanting to be a square-jawed individualist or join a heroic quest; I grew up wanting to be Hari Seldon, using my understanding of the mathematics of human behaviour to save civilisation.

And in the end, he did neither.

[Kaptious Kristen]

using my understanding of the mathematics of human behaviour to save civilisation

What a cunt

[SugarFree]

I guess old Kruggy didn't read the books all that closely.

Also, fantasizing about taking the One Ring to a volcano, or starting a successful business are much more humble aspirations than controlling all of human civilization in perpetuity. This is a very uncomfortable peak into the source of Kruggy's unshakable arrogance.

[Warty]

Yeah. I think he accidentally told us a lot more about himself than he intended to.

Didn't Tulpy-poo once tell us that he was a fan of the Foundation series for the same reason?

[Delroy]

He wanted to be a TOP MAN.

[Trespassers W]

"When I grow up, I want to be a technocrat!"

[Francisco d Anconia]

I grew up wanting to be Hari Seldon, using my understanding of the mathematics of human behaviour to save civilisation.

Epic fail!

[Trespassers W]

The more I think about this, the more creepy and pathetic it seems.

He didn't grow up wanting to be a hero, but rather a puppeteer? I guess girls would have to pay attention to you then, huh?

You're lucky Rand is dead. She had your number.

[Citizen Nothing]

Yeah. Wow. That is too perfect. Hari Seldon was Krugnuts' hero. Just, wow. What more can anyone add?

[Redmanfms]

You're lucky Rand is dead. She had your number.

No shit, he's an almost perfect amalgam of Scudder and Ferris. Any of his diatribes could almost word-for-word come from Scudder.

And his little admission to wanting to be like Seldon just makes him seem all the more like Ferris.

[Mickey Rat]

Of course he would, it is porn to someone with Krugman's worldview.

The Foundation Trilogy had as its central conceit that the knowledge problem could be bludgeoned to death by sophisticated enough mathematics. It resulted in a civilization so stultified that it could not handle a true wild card, and had to be saved by a backup plan of mystics.

[James Anderson Merritt]

The health care professional in the photograph appears to be one of Vonnegut's "Ethical Suicide Hostesses": Smokin' hot, though you must look but not touch while she hands you a plate full of death.

[James Anderson Merritt]

Interesting. The original photo here was of a nurse, in roughly the same pose as the Hooters girl. (Not that the latter might not be called a "health care professional" in some circumstances, I suppose.")

[Brett L]

Monkey smart enough to escape cage, wear clothes still not smart enough to assemble Ikea furniture.

[Warty]

You are all swine.

[Hell's Librarian]

That's adorable.

[Auric Demonocles]

Not that I'm complaining, but why did the picture change?

[Ed]

I put up the wrong one and didn't notice it. The other burger looked gross

[Rasilio]

Wait, there is a burger in the picture?

[generic Brand]

You aren't a fan of the Quadruple Bypass burger at Heart Attack Grill?

[Ed]

I'm a fan of the Daily Mail's coverage of burger joints!

[hamilton]

Ed, you are a God.

[protefeed]

A new poll shows 62 percent of Americans in favor of a path to citizenship, or amnesty, for illegal immigrants.

And the accompanying Links pic of a hot Latina holding a burger shows why they are in favor.