Jihadist Calls for the Destruction of Egypt's Pyramids and the Sphinx
Earlier this summer, reports circulated that radical Islamic clerics had called for the destruction of Egypt's Great Pyramids and the Sphinx as "idols."
Earlier this summer, reports circulated that radical Islamic clerics had called for the destruction of Egypt's Great Pyramids and the Sphinx as "idols." Bloomsberg News somewhat gleefully declared the whole event a "hoax" and made fun of various pundits for handwringing over it. With that as background, consider that today Al Arabiya News reports:
Egypt is taking a jihadist's calls to destroy the Giza Pyramids and Sphinx "seriously," an Egyptian interior ministry source has said, according to reports.
The source, who was not named, spoke to the London-based Asharq al-Awsat newspaper late Monday in response to Sheikh Murgan Salem al-Gohary's television interview earlier this week.
Gohary, a jihadist with self-professed links to the Taliban, called for the "destruction of the Sphinx and the Giza Pyramids in Egypt," drawing ties between the Egyptian relics and Buddha statues.
The Islamist, previously twice-sentenced under former President Hosni Mubarak for advocating violence, called on Muslims to remove such "idols."
"All Muslims are charged with applying the teachings of Islam to remove such idols, as we did in Afghanistan when we destroyed the Buddha statues," he said on Saturday during a television interview on an Egyptian private channel, widely watched by Egyptian and Arab audiences.
"God ordered Prophet Mohammed to destroy idols," he added. "When I was with the Taliban we destroyed the statue of Buddha, something the government failed to do."
On the plus side, the news agency further reported:
But in retaliation to Gohary's remarks, the vice president of Tunisia's Ennahda party, Sheikh Abdel Fattah Moro, called the live program and told Gohary that famous historic military commander Amr ibn al-Aas did not destroy statues when he conquered Egypt.
"So who are you to do it?" he wondered. "The Prophet destroyed the idols because people worshiped them, but the Sphinx and the Pyramids are not worshiped."
Let's hope it's another hoax.
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After they get done demolishing the Great Pyramid, I suppose they will go after the Lincoln Cathedral, the Eiffel Tower, the Chrysler Building, the Empire State Building, the World Trade...Oh, wait.
The Lincoln Cathedral?
Must be one of those secret places only the Freemasons know about.
He means this place, you Philistine.
To be correct, you probably couldn't fly an airliner into it since the spire collapsed in the 1500s.
I'm no Philistine.
I know all about how Leonardo da Vinci wrote Shakespeare's plays.
I meant Philistine in its literal sense, as you are probably sitting in your mosque in the Gaza Strip, planning your next target of jihad.
You know who should be calling for the pyramids' destruction? The Nile Neighborhood Association. Have you seen those eyesores? Completely in a state of disrepair. Can you imagine if kids wandered onto the property? Death traps, I say.
Eminent domain abuse!
Just find some "drugs" and then they can be siezed by the Cairo PD.
Only in America, JJ.
Death traps, I said. The pyramids.
Nobody gets me.
Uh, we got it....It's just not funny.
I think ProL gets you, FoE, but...that's probably not a good thing.
You do realize I'm an online IQ test?
Subversively.
Declare the area blighted so Donald Trump can build a casino there.
The Luxor would have to sue.
Does Morsi really want to crash what's left of Egypt's economy (tourism)???
See him become as secular as Mubarak if the loons even begin to try.
Considering sphinxes are major badasses I doubt it has much to worry about.
Tell that to its paws.
Reminds me of the moral busybodies who requisitioned the FCC to keep George Carlin off the radio: Has it every occurred to these people to just look the other way and go about their business?
I think the wanna-be jihadis have proven they're some of the biggest concern trolls out there.
Well, considering Carlin is dead, they appear to have succeeded.
His drift from hippie-dippy anti-authoritarian to curmudgeonly anti-Western was tiresome. But his last album has a bit called the "Bill of Temporary Privileges" which is one of the great anti-authoritarian statements of the last 20 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CeGM9isBHE
To you, al-Gohary, the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?
Hey, if it wasn't for jihad there wouldn't have been a Renaissance.
Still passed these guys by.
What I'm saying is that because Constantinople fell to hordes of "savages" like al-Gohary, the resultant diaspora of Byzantine intellectuals throughout Europe helped fuel the Renaissance. Until it was sacked by the Turks, Constantinople was the most advanced and most wealthy city in Europe.
In other words, thanks for the assist!
The Iranians and some Arabs were pretty enlightened, once upon a time, and can be credited with some important advances in science and mathematics. But these guys ain't them.
Leonardo himself was half Ay-rab, so there is that.
Is that like The Bloom Picayune?
Some mood music...
Some mood music...
The Buddhas of Bayiman, Sufi tombs in N Africa, a whole raft of historic monuments in SW Asia and Indonesia -- these people are savages. There are Shinto shrines that have lasted for 1000s of years in Japan under Buddhist rule, and less than a year into ruling Egypt some idiot wants the country's most iconic and enduring monuments destroyed.
It's not good PR. Some big agency should offer to represent psychotic jihadists.
CAIR?
Psychotic jihadists already have the premier agency looking out for their interests.
I was thinking more New York ad agency.
"Listen guys, you need a better image. Destroying the Pyramids--that's bad PR. Also, you need a slogan. Like, I dunno, 'Have some Islam and a Smile.'"
The Sphinx and the Pyramids are clearly national treasures that Egypt would be foolish to remove, and I do hope to visit them one day as I grew up a big time Egyptology nerd.
BUT. I will say after growing up and getting past the conspiracy garbage connected to the Pyramids by the Graham Hancocks of the world you finally get to the point that you realize the pyramids are really just a pile of rocks. A nice pile, well built and engineered no doubt, but a pile of rocks nonetheless. There is nothing especially mystic or unique about them. Almost every culture built similar rock piles associated with burials. But it is still just a pile of rocks.
Egyptian pharaohs destroyed more monuments, usually of predecessors (think Horemheb and Akhenaten, for instance) than these pikers could ever hope to destroy.
Akhenaten destroyed more than monuments. He had gangs of disciples that would go house to house and smash any idols that weren't worshiping him or his family. That's why there are so few large pieces left that predated his era.
His dynasty makes the Islamists look about as dangerous as hipsters from Park Slope. One would think that his would be the final lesson on why Monotheism doesn't work, but one would be mistaken.
The best part was that all he did for his cult was reversed right after he died. Oops. They even call his son Tutankhamun instead of Tutankhaten.
And his son was a disaster by any reasonable measure. Way to take care of the family there Pops.
The massive inbreeding didn't help.
DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT VICTOR BUONO
The number of artistic treasures destroyed by the Protestants of Northern Europe during the Reformation is exceeded only by the number of classical treasures destroyed by the early Christians.
I would still go with Akhenaten. There were so many incredible sculptures, artworks and monuments from the Early Dynasty that didn't survive his reign it's just sad. The ones left are still amazing, but the stuff from Thutmose III alone that was lost is ridiculous.
An enduring tribute to the superior engineering and masonry skills of the Hebrews, under direct Egyptian supervision, of course.
No, that's space aliens. I mean, if we're going down this road, let's go all the way.
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"No, that's space aliens. I mean, if we're going down this road, let's go all the way"
Come at me bro!
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I thought Scotty and McCoy created the pyramids out of transparent aluminum when they traveled back in time to save Cleopatra.
Why did the Greek gods leave, anyway? Whatever Apollo said, they had technology that compared pretty well with 23rd century tech. Why not rule as fake gods a little while longer? Better yet, use their technology to block dangerous advances?
I think the Greek gods were gonna come back and drop xenomorphs on us.
Ah, a new Star Trek movie: Star Trek 7: Alien vs. Shatner.
The Great Pyramids were built long before the conquest of the Hebrews. The enslaved Hebrews actually worked on the Valley of the Kings.
Jus' sayin'
I know very little about Ancient Egypt other than what appears in popular science publications, but I remember hearing that the only reference to the Hebrews ever found in Egyptian excavations was a single line in one of Rameses II's monuments to his conquests.
Fair enough, The Hebrews never would have went through the endless red tape, with zoning hearings, impact studies, the permits and fees...and negotiating with their unions would have been a nightmare, cost overruns, donations to shyster politicians...etc. It's really is a wonder they were ever built at all / imo. Kind of a pain in the ass really, all for a tribute to some politicians shallow narcissism.
God-Emperors who can have you thrown to the crocodiles for not bowing low enough tend to have a knack for dealing with obstructive bureaucrats.
Just ask Mayor Bloomberg.
And it was a wild time there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1kqqMXWEFs
I suppose, but I'd be horrified if they were destroyed.
As would I. The fact they've lasted this long is impressive, but it's not like they have much to be protected from. Rock piles in the desert last as long as no one moves said rock pile.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
Obviously I've been playing too much civ4, as I read that in Leonard Nemoy's voice.
I'll give them another 10,000 years or so. The Great Pyramid has shrunk several dozen feet already due to weathering, and there'll eventually be a point when the structural integrity of the superstructure fails.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_pyramid
Wikipedia lists a change from 481 ft to the current height of 455 ft.
A pile of rocks tends to just sit there.
I'm betting on the Nile doing the pyramids in (by way of changing course) before the sandstorms do.
OTOH, maybe we humans will work out a stable civilization that lasts. In which case, the pyramids will be around as long as we are.
One ruin whose demise will be especially poignant, the Titanic wreck should collapse and disintegrate to the ocean floor within the next 50 years, perhaps sooner.
By my reckoning, that gives us at least 1 more movie about the sinking before it turns to a pile of iron oxide. (The rate appears to be about one every 40 years.)
Titanic II: The Revenge
I saw that. Gene Hackman and the Titanic were upside down because of Ernest Borgnine's incompetence.
Actually, Leslie Nielsen played the captain.
And you've forgotten about the Nazi Titanic movie.
You're thinking of Forbidden Planet, where a spaceship goes to a planet turned upside down due to Ernest Borgnine's incompetence. Based on Shakespeare's For a Few Dollars More.
Actually they used to be covered in limestone, but that was looted a long time ago.
Imagine white pyramids glimmering in desert sun.
I think it's time for a restoration.
I've always wondered what that looked like in a place like that. There's a tiny bit left on the top of the Great Pyramid, I believe.
I also wonder what all of those painted statues in Greece and Rome looked like.
This Gohary fellow better not come within arms reach of Dr. Zahi Hawass who use to run Egypt's Antiquities Council. That guys fanatic when it comes to historical presrvation and would certainly kill anyone he caught trying to destroy the Pyramids. I've seen Dr. Hawass get angry on History Channel documentaries and I wouln't want to be on the receiving end of one of his tirades.
I used to be a big fan of Hawass, but then I found out that he was just as fanatic in his Jew-hatred.
I'm mildly surprised that a Pakistani nuke hasn't been smuggled in and exploded outside of Cairo, killing many thousands but also destroying the Pyramids. They'd blame Israel, of course.
Or Iran. But a nuke would have to be damn close to the pyramids to destroy them.
Doesn't have to obliterate them, just damage them enough to turn the world even more against Israel.
I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere in Quetta, this had been discussed, followed by an awkward pause and an uneasy chuckle.
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I'm mildly surprised that a Pakistani nuke hasn't been smuggled in and exploded outside of Cairo, killing many thousands but also destroying the Pyramids. They'd blame Israel, of course.
Just so long as I didn't give them the idea.
Wow that makes a lot of sense dude. WOw.
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Death to spammers.
People don't seem to realize that the Islamists are in a cultural war, and seek to eradicate symbols of power and prestige of other cultures, to wipe them from the face of the earth.
That's what 9/11 was about. It wasn't about killing 3000 people, it was about destroying symbols.
Killing people was just icing on the cake.
You know, a few people recently filed petitions to secede from the Union.
Every culture has loony assholes. Hell, I bet there's more than a few people in America who would nod about destroying the pyramids as symbols of polytheism.
So while this guy is a total idiot, as Americans I think we can understand that there's a lot of dumbass things said on TV and Radio that is not really representative of public opinion and has no chance of every actually happening.
Every culture has loony assholes.
Yeah, but not every culture re-elects them to high office.
Or, wait, maybe they do . . .
You have a keen insight into the jihadi mind sockpuppet.
Damn, anon-bot has been radicalized? Not good, man.
The pyramid owners' answer should be "No, fuck you. Cut spending."
You truly are wise.
Dude, you are truly onto something. I'm using that everywhere.
I grant you a perpetual license. Go forth and cut spending.
You know, that statement would make a great response to politicians soliciting constituent opinions.
Maybe if we are all lucky, all Hollywood celebrties and other famous lefties will fly to Egypt to protect the pyramids as human shields.
Rosanne Barr, Michael Moore, Sean Penn, and Alec Baldwin will be standing on top of the Great Pyramid leading their fellow comrades in song when all of the sudden there is a huge explosion...
Planting Barr and Moore on top of the pyramid would probably cause it to sink or collapse right on the spot, so this plan may need a little rethinking.
I thought Team America already took care of that.
That is a great movie, by the way.
That was make believe, I am talking about real life. But, yeah, I guess I sort of stole the idea from them. But it's still a great idea!
The future does not belong to those who want to destroy the Sphinx.
What's limp in the morning, limp in the afternoon, and stiff at night after a TV broadcast advocating riots against cultural treasures? A jihadi's dick!
No, too obscure a reference. Let's try:
Foreign types are going "yipes"
Saying WTF, WTF
Bomb like an Egyptian