A.M. Links: Innocence of Muslims Filmmaker Being Held Without Bond Until Court Date After Election, Seattle Police Buying More Drones, EU Popularity at All Time Low in Britain

Your morning links

• Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, the filmmaker behind Innocence of Muslims, remains held without bond. He has a court date scheduled for November 9.

• A CNN poll showed Barack Obama winning last night's debate 48-40 according to respondents.
• Pennsylvania Senator Bob Casey's ads connecting his Republican opponent to the Tea Party has tightened the polls. Casey's comfortable lead has vanished.
• Ben Bernanke won't seek a third term as Federal Reserve chair, he apparently told friends.
• The Seattle Police Department is reportedly purchasing two drones for about $150,000. It purchased two for $85,000 in 2010 which it hasn't used yet.
• An off-duty Milwaukee cop who accidentally shot a woman at a pretzel kiosk pled guilty to a reduced charge of disorderly conduct. The safety on his firearm was not on and it was not holstered.
• The European Union's popularity in Britain is at an all-time low, the British Foreign Secretary warns European governments.

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[Fist of Etiquette]

A CNN poll showed Barack Obama winning last night's debate 48-40 according to respondents.

Out of the 88 people who watch CNN.

[Kaptious Kristen]

How in the sweet fuck...? I have been refreshing this fucker for 5 minutes, and you still get the jump!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Quite simply the staff generally doesn't care for your comments and doesn't want them showcased.

[Kaptious Kristen]

Fair cop

[Quetzalcoatl]

guv

[hamilton]

Fist has mad skillz.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I'm 1337.

[Ted S.]

Funny, you don't look a day over 1150.

[Ted S.]

You're not the only one.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

FOE's mother's basement has excellent internet service with very low latencies.

[Fist of Etiquette]

She wishes.

[SugarFree]

I have been refreshing this fucker for 5 minutes, and you still get the jump!

This is why there aren't any womentarians.

[Karl Hungus]

How in the sweet fuck...? I have been refreshing this fucker for 5 minutes, and you still get the jump!

Did you lubricate your 'Refresh' button? Even if it feels smooth, you may not be getting optimal performance. And here in the big leagues, you need every edge you can get.

[Bee Tagger]

The people within the +/- 4.5 margin should feel insulted, I'd say.

[hamilton]

"Marginalized", even.

I'll stop now.

[Bee Tagger]

Nicely done.

[Karl Hungus]

Out of the 88 people who watch CNN.

Out of the 88 people who ordinarily watch CNN. Last night, 37 of those were watching Monday Night Football and 16 were watching whatever baseball game that was on last night.

[Bee Tagger]

Ed briefly considered a new feature called 24/7 AM Links but then chickened out.

[Ed]

🙂

[Quetzalcoatl]

That would have been a smart move.
"24/7 AM Links" evokes the all-day-breakfast menu that this commentariat loves so much.

[Lord Humungus]

Robert Redford: Why I'm Supporting President Obama
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....=Celebrity

And that's one of the biggest differences in an election brimming with them. While President Obama is moving us forward, Mitt Romney would take us back. He'd roll back every step of progress we've made -- not just in the last four years, but the last 40 years.

We've seen in the last stretch of this campaign that Romney will say anything to win, even if it's flat-out false. But we know what the real Mitt Romney would do. He'd gut investments in renewable energy -- including the wind production tax credit that 37,000 American jobs depend on -- while giving $4 billion a year in wasteful taxpayer subsidies to Big Oil, even as they reap near-record profits. It's no coincidence that those same special interests have donated nearly $11 million to Romney's campaign and the super PACs behind it.

[Drax the Destroyer]

It's not like any questionable special interests have donated to the Big O, right Red?

[Drake]

"Because I'm a Hollywood Douche" would have been a more succinct answer.

[Bee Tagger]

I'd heard rumors that there was a 91st reason out there, too grand to be hidden on McSweeneys.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Redford ceased to be relevant about 40 years ago, so his summary seems appropriate.

[Quetzalcoatl]

The Sting was released in 1973.

[Marshall Gill]

OK, 39 years ago.

[Atanarjuat]

Well, at least he's supporting Obama for something he actually has done (environmental policy), not because he makes him feel all hopey-changey.

[John]

He makes a hell of a case to elect Romney.

[Randian]

You wish.

[John]

You wouldn't be happy if Romney "gutted renewable energy subsidies"? I would. I thought he was going to do just the opposite right? He is EXACTLY THE SAME AS OBAMA

[Randian]

I would be more than happy. That does not a 'hell of a case' make.

[John]

Are you really that literal minded? Do you just not get hyperbole? Not everything that is written is meant literally.

[T]

A is A, John.

[LTC(ret) John]

Not always... how many lights do you see, T?

[John]

Except when it is not T. I didn't mean it literally.

[robc]

"crawl thru glass" yesterday is obvious hyperbole.

"hell of a case" seems pretty damn literal.

[Randian]

Whenever John states his case and gets called on it, it is the respondent's fault for missing the obvious:

A. sarcasm
B. irony
C. hyperbole
D. all of the above.

Please remember that if John says something, he doesn't really mean it.

[Troy muy grande boner]

A is A, John

Not if a judge says it isn't.

[Zeb]

No comment on Romney, but I find it really funny how many of the fliers I get in the mail that are supposed to be some devastating take-down of a more libertarianish conservative list all of the things that might appeal to me about the candidate.

[robc]

Yeah, Ive noticed that too.

Most liberal arguments against a conservative seem like arguments for me voting GOP. Fortunately, I know the liberal is lying about the conservative.

[Spoonman.]

To tie into another one of the AM links, the emails which I for some reason get from the Bob Casey campaign made me consider voting for Tom Smith, which I wouldn't have before.

There is a libertarian candidate, however, so I'm going to vote for him/her (see what an informed voter I am?)

[Randian]

It's people like you what get Democrats elected...by not voting for them. I hope you're happy with yourself.

[John]

See below the study that says Obama ads are making Republicans more enthusiastic. I don't think you are alone.

[Pro Libertate]

My opponent will slash government programs! And will deregulate!

[tarran]

He makes a hell of a case to elect Romney.

Honestly, even though my reason tells me that Romney would be a worse President from a long-term pro-freedom perspective, my emotions would leap at the bitter salty ham tears of guys like Redford should Obama get kicked out on the street.

[Randian]

So much this. I will be out in the street with a vial and an eyedropper literally collecting melting snowflakes.

[$park?]

Literally?

[Randian]

Yes. Right off of their faces.

[Auric Demonocles]

So the new strategy to deal with Obama's poor record is to run on the past 40 years instead of the past 4?

[Art Vandelay]

Romney will destroy all of Nixon's greatest achievements!

[RickC]

After watching so many green tech companies crash and burn into bankruptcy even while on the government tit let me just say, that's an "investment" this taxpayer would willingly gut.

As a matter of fact, why not cut all government subisides and see which part of the energy industry proves itself viable and hence sustainable.

[Zeb]

Is he trying to say that the only progress that has happened in the last 40 years is mostly wasteful subsidies for certain alternative power generation technologies? Seems like a few other things have happened. I don't think that Romney, for example, wants to bring back the draft, or airline regulation.

And when the hell did every bit of spending become "investment"?

[Whiterun Guard]

When they started profiting.

[Zeb]

Or at least they stopped pretending that they weren't.

[VG Zaytsev]

And when the hell did every bit of spending become "investment"?

The recipients of the government money started kicking some of it back in campaign contributions.

[R C Dean]

So, Romney wants to take us back to 1971?

Before the gargantuan expansion of the regulatory state and the explosion of entitlement spending and the internal security state?

Back when we were running a relatively paltry 12% deficit, rather than a 30% deficit?

I'm in.

[John]

I agree. He makes a great case for Romney doesn't he?

[Zeb]

What were the income tax rates in 1971?

[LTC(ret) John]

High but loophole ridden.

[Bardas Phocas]

3 Martini lunches baby.

[Killazontherun]

You could deduct your alcohol consumption on your taxes? How is lower rates without loopholes better than that?

[Pro Libertate]

You're missing the racism code here. What Redford really means is that Romney wants to bring back slavery.

[wareagle]

so that's what a 40-year rollback means? Good grief, even George Wallace had moved on from segregation by then, winning huge black majorities in his quest to be the perpetual governor.

[Pro Libertate]

He's using Hollywood years.

[VG Zaytsev]

so that's what a 40-year rollback means

The funny thing about that statement is that left has been telling how much better the economy was 40 years ago and now they're saying Oh my god, Romney wants to take us back to that.

[Whiterun Guard]

And free love.

[JW]

So, Romney wants to take us back to 1971?

When the dollar was worth 30% more than it is today? No EPA or DEA or DoEd? American muscle cars were at their peak?

Where do I sign up?

[robc]

Had Nixon finally killed the kinda/sorta partial gold standard by 1971 or was that still to come?

[tarran]

He had killed it, unfortunately.

[robc]

Answering my own question: August 15, 1971. Happy 2nd birthday to me!

[BakedPenguin]

I was going to make a joke about Nixon giving you a Fiat, but couldn't crack that nut.

[Pro Libertate]

People were walking on the Moon in 1971.

[JW]

You mean Soundstage 31, right?

[BakedPenguin]

I'm siccing Buzz Aldrin on you.

[JW]

He'd roll back every step of progress we've made -- not just in the last four years, but the last 40 years.

Not the 18 Reagan-Bush-Dubya years of progress! No! Not that!

[wareagle]

including the wind production tax credit that 37,000 American jobs depend on

so Redford favors corporate welfare when it is spent on jobs that produce something no one wants or uses. Yeah, we should listen to an aging actor.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

Those 37,000 jobs are also drop in the bucket--that makes up about 35% of the number of jobs that need to be created each month just to maintain stability.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

He'd roll back every step of progress we've made -- not just in the last four years, but the last 40 years.

Proof positive that Team Blue has become defenders of the status quo.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Pennsylvania Senator Bob Casey's ads connecting his Republican opponent to the Tea Party has tightened the polls.

I'm going to miss Casey. He was very good at hiding and doing nothing. Almost the perfect senator.

[DJF]

If only they all were that considerate. Instead we get a bunch of busybodies who want to impose themselves on the rest of us.

[db]

You can always tell a Milford man.

[LTC(ret) John]

Well I am a Dapper Dan man, dammit!

[Randian]

Well, ain't this place a geographical oddity. Two weeks from everywhere!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Senators should be neither seen nor heard.

[Stormy Dragon]

Casey v. Smith is one of the races I can't decide how to vote. On one hand Casey keeps voting for spending increases, so I don't want to vote for him. On the other hand, Smith has been saying very little about what he'd do as a Senator, so I don't want to vote for him. On the third hand, the Libertarian candidate is a crazy person, so I don't want to vote for them.

I'm probably leaning toward Smith because he's not the incumbent, but I have this suspicion I'm going to regret it later.

[Stormy Dragon]

The other race is Quigley v. Painter for state assembley. Basically Quigley is better by every measure with the exception that he advocates raping women who want abortions, so I'm in an ethical dilemma about whether it's ever acceptable to vote for evil.

[Spoonman.]

What makes the Libertarian candidate a crazy person?

I have done no research at all other than to see that Smith promises to reduce federal spending to 20% of GDP, which is a pointless half-measure.

[Stormy Dragon]

He's told reporters thing like the reason the he has no campaign website is because he thinks no one really uses the internet (he never has after all).

[Spoonman.]

Oh my.

Still better than the alternatives.

[tarran]

Just write in "None of the Above" and wash your hands of the whole mess.

[sloopyinca]

Or Monty Brewster.

[Lord Humungus]

When we all shaved our heads
After a lice crisis hit our family, I learned how miserable those suckers are -- and how strong my marriage is
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/1.....our_heads/

You know who else shaved their heads?

[sage]

Sinead O'Connor?

[Rich]

Sin?ad O'Connor fans?

[Rich]

Dammit, sage!

[hamilton]

Your own damn fault for taking the extra time to get the accent mark in there.

[Rich]

It's a delicate tradeoff.

[Ted S.]

They're allowing non-ASCII characters now? Wundersch?n!

[$park?]

Moonies?

[hamilton]

Persis Khambatta?

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Walter White?

[mad libertarian guy]

Me?

[Francisco d Anconia]

I shaved my nugget before going to Iraq in 04. Never went back. Life is easier without hair.

[mad libertarian guy]

Yep.

I wore a flat top for a long time (from about age 5 to age 12, then again from 15-16. In college I learned that I couldn't do my own flat top, so I went and bought a set of clippers in 99 and never went back. I've spent a grand total of $35 on my hair grooming in the last 13 years.

It's fucking great.

[Lord Humungus]

No baldness for me - instead I have long luxurious hair that requires a blowtorch to cut.

[Francisco d Anconia]

The source of your superpowers?

[Lord Humungus]

no, I'm just an asshole.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

He promises that if you tie him up in new ropes, he'll be just as weak as any man.

[Kaptious Kristen]

When the squeeze's hair gets to be longer than 1/4", I start calling him a dirty hippie. Bald is beauteous.

[Ted S.]

Radley Balko?

[Quetzalcoatl]

Nature shaved Balko. In cooperation with Testosterone.

[Randian]

Hare Krishnas?

[Ice Nine]

Travis Bickle?

[JW]

Col. Kurtz?

[LTC(ret) John]

Otis Sistrunk? Oh, wait, he left and arrow on top.

[Lord Humungus]

the answer was libertarian nazi skinheads from Portugal!

[Slithery D]

Down 'ol South America way.

[Whiterun Guard]

Pink Floyd?

[sloopyinca]

Neo-Nazis?

[Fatty Bolger]

Brittany Spears?

[Andrew S.]

Leave Britney alone! LEAVE HER ALONE!

[Lord Humungus]

McGurn: John McCain Saw It Coming
In 2008, the GOP nominee warned that an Obama foreign policy would be na?ve?and dangerous for America.
http://online.wsj.com/article/.....on_LEADTop

Whatever his faults as a presidential candidate, to read over the transcript from that first presidential debate back in 2008 today is to realize that ?almost all of what Mr. McCain warned us about regarding Mr. Obama's foreign policy has come to pass: the danger of setting specific withdrawal dates for our troops; the naivet? of pledging to negotiate with leaders such as Castro, Ahmadinejad and Chavez without first insisting on conditions; the threat to Israel; going too light on Russia; the precarious situation in Pakistan, and so on.

Too bad we wrote Mr. McCain off as a cranky George W. Bush. Because he was trying to warn us that Mr. Obama would be the new Jimmy Carter.

[Ted S.]

Too bad we wrote Mr. McCain off as a cranky George W. Bush.

No; McCain was an evil SOB for his attacks on the first amendment and his attitude that killing people in distant places makes one a hero.

[Somalian Road Corporation]

He doesn't particularly care for the second either. Hates free speech and guns, loves war--so of course it's easy to see why he got all the "maverick" slobbering until he butted heads with Barry.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

The irony is that McCain was just as naive--he expected that all his sucking up to the media by being the Team Red Contrarian would have gotten him a pass from the left. He was probably the only who was surprised when they turned on him like jackals once the stakes actually counted.

[Big 'Orra]

...he expected that all his sucking up to the media by being the Team Red Contrarian would have gotten him a pass from the left.

That he did and his loss was especially sweet.

[Auric Demonocles]

the danger of setting specific withdrawal dates for our troops; the naivet? of pledging to negotiate with leaders such as Castro, Ahmadinejad and Chavez without first insisting on conditions; the threat to Israel; going too light on Russia; the precarious situation in Pakistan,

The only one of these I can see that actually came true was the specific withdrawal of troops, which was over his objections.

[DJF]

So says, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran McCain.

[hamilton]

Meanwhile we drone-striked (dronestruck?) four more evil terrorist sheepherder children.

[Drax the Destroyer]

That'll teach the bastards! REMEMBER PEARL HARBER!!!!! SUPARRT THE TROPS!!!! USA USA!!!

GO 'MERICA.

[Lord Humungus]

Just How Many Facebook Friends Do You Need?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/n.....-need.html

[Bee Tagger]

So liking facebook and not liking facebook both result in being overly concerned with how other people are living their lives?

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Seems an appropriate metaphor for our modern democratic state.

[$park?]

Facebook is the eye of the Elder Gods watching humanity and sowing discord.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Facebook should select users at random and adorn their profile with a golden apple.

[$park?]

That right there would be awesome. And the hysteria would be epic I'd bet.

[hamilton]

Facebook is Ithaqua?

[$park?]

I think we determined it's actually Nyarlathotep.

[R C Dean]

Just How Many Facebook Friends Do You Need?

I'm sticking with zero.

[Marshall Gill]

I am actually attempting a negative number. Not only do I have no Facebook profile, I don't want to hear about other people's second hand.

[Brett L]

I've got too many already. I just can't be arsed to defriend them.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The Seattle Police Department is reportedly purchasing two drones for about $150,000.

The U.S. Department of Justice will want the feed from those drones for a while.

[Lord Humungus]

The Next Euro Crisis: Aging Populations
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/.....aspx#page1

Consider the facts: Over the next two decades well over 250 million Europeans will be passing through that 60 age barrier bolstered by government supported health care financial support. As these "seniors" figure over 1/3 of the overall European population the arithmetic simply doesn't work. A scholarly paper already several years old, "Ageing and Fiscal Sustainability in Europe" by Dr. Werner Roger put it simply and clearly, "An increase of the old age dependency ratio between now and 2050 implies, either that benefits (relative to wages) must fall or contributions must rise" or as they say in middle school, DUH! Which brings us back to the curious puzzle of why European leaders continue to believe their summits focused only on the immediate symptoms ought to work?

robots.

[mad libertarian guy]

I went on a cruise through the Norwegian Fjords this summer and if there's just one lesson I learned, it's that old Europeans are the rudest, most entitled demographic on the earth. My fucking 5 year old has better manners and is less entitled than those fuckers.

[Quetzalcoatl]

There was a poll of the hospitality industry in the Mediterranean last year (I think), and the English were judged to be the rudest tourists.

[Kaptious Kristen]

After seeing the Krauts and Finns in action in Turkey, I find that hard to believe.

[Ted S.]

I thought Finns were stoic and never spoke.

[Lord Humungus]

my father-in-law is a Finn. Quite the odd duck.

[T]

Until you get some booze in them. Then they never shut up.

[Ted S.]

I thought they came pre-loaded with booze.

[mad libertarian guy]

This. The Germans are fucking terrible.

[Brett L]

If they've overtaken the Japanese tourbus crowd, they must be horrid.

[LTC(ret) John]

Expand the death panels, er, NHS!

[Ice Nine]

You know who else had death panels for old Europeans.

[LTC(ret) John]

Minnesota?

[Don Mynack]

New Euro Zone Initiative: 75% tax rate for seniors. Problem solved!

//Not

[Bee Tagger]

The Seattle Police Department is reportedly purchasing two drones for about $150,000. It purchased two for $85,000 in 2010 which it hasn't used yet.

I can only conclude they're trying to give Ron Paul a heart attack.

[Drax the Destroyer]

I hope the officers who retire in less than 10 years will know that their pensions were blown on skynet infrastructure.

[The Late P Brooks]

The safety on his firearm was not on and it was not holstered.

Depending on what it was, saying the safety was not on is probably meaningless, but, "was not in its holster"?

WTF?

[$park?]

Hey man, it's cool to keep your gat in your pants.

[Drake]

He did a Plaxico.

You never try to catch a dropped modern pistol - it isn't going to discharge from hitting the floor. But a pistol with a trigger safety like a Glock will fire if you catch it by the trigger.

[Auric Demonocles]

You never try to catch a dropped modern pistol

Oh yeah, what if you're sneaking through an enemy stronghold and trying to hide when you drop the gun?

[$park?]

Doesn't matter. Even if you catch it you're just going to end up sneezing because of the dust you landed in.

[Auric Demonocles]

Well, if you don't have a sneeze guard on you deserve to get shot up.

[Atanarjuat]

I guess that's why my Springfield XD has a grip safety in addition to the trigger safety.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

"Disorderly conduct"

Jesus. What would the charge for a non-LEO be?

[Kaptious Kristen]

See: Buress, Plaxico.

[LTC(ret) John]

See also, Prison.

[Zeb]

To be fair, that was in NYC, so having a gun at all was a no-no. But on the other hand, this asshole actually injured another person. Seems like at least some sort of criminal negligence.

[R C Dean]

Nope, no double standard there. Prosecutors routinely write down actual shootings of actual people to "disorderly conduct." Happens all the time, ATFPAPIC.

[Ska]

Disorderly conduct....this guy shot a person and got the equivalent of public urination.

[Andrew S.]

No, public urination occasionally comes with overpunishment, i.e. sex offender registry. This wasn't even a light slap on the wrist.

[Clich? Bandit]

not enough hth

[H. Reardon]

Disorderly Conduct: The charge they levy against 'civilians' when they need to make one up. Also the charge they use against LEOs when criminal negligence would be more appropriate.

Disorderly Conduct - what can't it do?

[Lord Humungus]

'Why I Left Goldman Sachs' tells firm's secrets
http://www.usatoday.com/story/.....s/1649643/

Q: What do you hope to accomplish with your book?

A: People know there's this huge conflict, and that things are being done that are unethical but not necessarily illegal. Yet nobody can put their finger on exactly what the problem is. My goal with the book was to write it to a general reader who knows nothing about finance. By the time someone reaches the end of the book, they can say, 'I can now speak more intelligently about where the conflicts of interest are, and I can lobby my congressman or I can speak about it more.' If people are not educated about what the issues are, they're powerless. That was the problem with Occupy Wall Street -- they didn't know what they were protesting.

[Marshall Gill]

I saw this guy getting interviewed by Anderson Cooper. At one point, he said that a PhD in physics was required to understand some of the financial instruments being used. My Top. Men. detector went off and the rest of the interview basically confirmed it.

[Kaptious Kristen]

No more The Bernank? I haz a sad. Not really.

It purchased two for $85,000 in 2010 which it hasn't used yet.

As far as you know.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ben Bernanke won't seek a third term as Federal Reserve chair, he apparently told friends.

This just in: Ben Bernanke apparently has friends.

[mnarayan]

I would too if I could throw a couple billion at each of them.

[Drax the Destroyer]

Ben Bernanke apparently has friends.

I call them the cabal of world-breakers. It's like a fantasy football league but instead of playing with stats and teams and shit, they play with people's lives.

[BakedPenguin]

Fantasy super-villains? Oh, wait, real super-villains.

[Brett L]

Apparently he knows Romney is winning the internals as well.

[Randian]

Why are these internals never published? What magic do these internals use that regular pollsters are unable to?

I keep hearing about 'internals' and I frankly don't get it. What the hell are they?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Yeah, what's up with that? They seem like they're usually accurate the way campaigns and people in the know shit themselves over them.

[Clich? Bandit]

Well, they also shit themselves about LP candidates when we only get 2%. Fuck 'em, if they think we are a threat we will use it...if they believe in the "magical" internal polls, let 'em. I used to think the two big parties are evil, manipulative, geniuses...I was wrong. They are blithering idiots with power.

[Marshall Gill]

I keep hearing about 'internals' and I frankly don't get it. What the hell are they?

Since they are not about propagandizing the election but winning it, campaigns do their own polling. They use actual suspected turnouts and are much more careful about polling voters that are actually going to vote. Until just before the elections the media pollsters do not use as strict methods.

At least in theory.

[PowerBottom]

Jesus, could you imagine the parties?

[Lord Humungus]

TRR: Romney Has Best Gallup Tracking Poll Numbers Since 1968
http://www.washingtontimes.com.....bers-1968/

The latest Gallup daily tracking poll of likely voters has Mr. Romney leading Barack Obama by seven points, 52% to 45%. Mr. Romney's total is greater than Richard Nixon's 44% at this point in the race in 1968, Jimmy Carter's 49% in 1976, Ronald Reagan's hard to believe 39% in 1980 (Carter was ahead with 45%), George H. W. Bush's 50% in 1988, and Bill Clinton's 40% in 1992. In 2000 and 2008 George W. Bush and Barack Obama both tracked at a within-error 51%.

[Ted S.]

Mittens has been tracked by Gallup since 1968?

[Citizen Nothing]

That's when he first became operational (MITT Laboratories, Urbana Ill.)

[LTC(ret) John]

+9000

[db]

Dr. Chandra taught me a song. Would you like to hear it?

[LTC(ret) John]

Sure, sing it for me, HAL.

[Whiterun Guard]

I'm leavin' it all up to you-ooh-ooh
You decide what you're gonna do
Now do you want my lo-o-ove?
Or are we through?

That's why I'm leaving it up to you-ooh-ooh
You decide what you're gonna do
Now do you want my lo-o-ove?
Or are we through?

[Auric Demonocles]

Should say:

Mitt Romney continues to out-poll every winning presidential challenger since 1968.

[Art Vandelay]

Or, it SHOULD say:

Barack Obama continues to out-suck every incumbent president since 1968.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Am I misunderstanding this, or did the lower-polled candidate win in some of these elections? If so, it undermines their point.

[Auric Demonocles]

I think this was only the case with Carter/Reagan. The question is what did the polls do over the last couple of weeks that year.

[Rich]

Ben Bernanke is a worse quitter than Sarah Palin.

[Bee Tagger]

I can't wait for his health and fitness book with solutions like eating a lot more food to prime your metabolism.

[Rich]

Or a reality show. "Qualitative Easing with the Bernankes".

[Kaptious Kristen]

Sounds like a porn to me. Bow chicka-wow-wow.

[Rich]

"Oh, Ben, do the 'Helicopter' again!"

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Bernanke porn would suck. All stimulation, no growth.

[R C Dean]

"Dammit, this is supposed to get your animal spirits going! What's wrong with you!"

[Whiterun Guard]

"Where's my knife? Time to cut your...interest rates again"

[Randian]

What kind of adult fare are you watching, WG?

[Lord Humungus]

okay, I lol'd.

[Lord Humungus]

Weight Stereotyping: The Secret Way People Are Judging You Based on Your Body
http://living.msn.com/life-ins.....-your-body

Discrimination against heavier people is well documented?and, sadly, rising: a full 66 percent in the past decade, according to a Yale University study. But could this kind of bias extend to women of all sizes? And are people looking at your body and making assumptions about your life?and your personality?

To find out, Glamour commissioned an exclusive poll of more than 1,800 women ages 18 to 40, designed with guidance from Rebecca Puhl, Ph.D., director of research and weight stigma initiatives at Yale's Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity. We asked respondents to imagine a woman whom they had never met and knew nothing about except that she was "overweight" or "thin"; they then had to choose from pairs of words, like ambitious or lazy, to describe her. They could select neither, but fewer than half did?a telling statistic, according to Puhl. "Weight," she says, "is one of the last acceptable prejudices."

[Lord Humungus]

A Red Carpet for Radicals at the White House
http://www.investigativeprojec.....hite-house

A year-long investigation by the Investigative Project on Terrorism (IPT) has found that scores of known radical Islamists made hundreds of visits to the Obama White House, meeting with top administration officials.

Court documents and other records have identified many of these visitors as belonging to groups serving as fronts for the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and other Islamic militant organizations.

[John]

I don't know that this is a bad thing. Maybe he had good reasons to meet with them. But I do think he owes the country an explanation just why he was doing.

[Rich]

It's an "ongoing investigation" of militant organizations, John, so no can do.

[Coeus]

These cops seem very irritated that someone got in trouble over abuse of authority. I mean, apparently the guy was a drug user, so he should just be happy they didn't bust him on a bullshit charge.

[mr simple]

But their arguments are complex, nuanced and deeply rooted in logic, with great factual support. Who can argue with intellectual heavyweights who easily toss out rhetorical haymakers like:

What a B.S. lawsuit. Civil rights violation? I don't think so! Probably filed by some pansy ass lawyer who has never done a pushup in his life!

Obviously if you have never done a pushup, you can't argue against pushups. And that's after he cleverly refutes the civil rights violation argument.

[Andrew S.]

Curse you for making me click on a PoliceOne link. That place makes my rage meter (and my blood pressure) go through the roof.

[Fist of Etiquette]

An off-duty Milwaukee cop who accidentally shot a woman at a pretzel kiosk pled guilty to a reduced charge of disorderly conduct. The safety on his firearm was not on and it was not holstered.

Well, that wasn't very orderly.

[The Late P Brooks]

The Seattle Police Department is reportedly purchasing two drones for about $150,000.

But they won't be used to help the DEA locate and raid marijuana growers.

No, sir.

[mad libertarian guy]

The union said so.

[Bobarian]

Are the drones going to be in the union?

[Coeus]

A win for the good guys:

Facebook refuses to close an "undercover cop" page.

The page has more than 12,500 followers and has dozens of photos and comments revealing the number-plates of unmarkedpolice cars.

A News Limited report says Facebook has refused a police request to remove the page, saying it cannot stop people taking photos in public places.

[LTC(ret) John]

Policeone hardest hit?

[Rich]

According to reports, under his probation, Mr. Nakoula was prohibited from using computers and the internet without supervision.

Oh, surely *someone* was watching his cyber usage, if you catch my drift. Maybe he'll walk on a technicality.

[John]

"What was the scandal? Get to it, nail it, what was the scandal?!" Matthews rudely barked at the Romney backer. Upon the young Romney supporter answering that he was referring to Benghazi and the administration's early dogged insistence that the fiasco was the result of a spontaneous demonstration over a YouTube video, Matthews barked back (emphasis mine), "Yeah, it was about the video. Read the newspaper. Thank you. Everybody knows it's about the video. It's all about the video."

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/k.....z2A81DqCOW

I think Matthews might be crazier than Krugnuts.

[$park?]

He probably knows how to work html tags though.

[John]

Oh Burn Sparky. BURN!!

[LTC(ret) John]

And SugarFree smiled.

[SugarFree]

And it hurt. I normally can only cover smirk to grimace.

[LTC(ret) John]

Offer your suffering up for the poor souls in Purgatory, SF.

[Auric Demonocles]

Matthews better tell that to Obama.

[Randian]

He still believes that?

Has anyone called him a Truther yet? Because that is Truther-level crazy. (hey speaking of, where's LibertyMike?)

[John]

I don't think he believes it. I think he has just lied so long he can't keep up with what the spin is today.

[Kaptious Kristen]

Admitting it was unrelated to movie riots is to admit he and his media colleagues are under the thumb of, and easily duped by, this Administration. So the only answer is to stay the course.

[Marshall Gill]

What incentive does he have to tell the truth? Get fired and have all of his friends call him a racist?

[John]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/.....IabBaCX-YI

A new survey of presidential campaign ads reveals that those from Mitt Romney and President Obama jazz Republicans, pushing GOP enthusiasm 42 percent higher than it was in 2008 for Sen. John McCain.

"Democratic ads are goosing Republican enthusiasm," said poll analyst Adam Schaeffer of Evolving Strategies, a public opinion research firm. "That in turn will boost Republican turnout," he added.

[Ted S.]

Did some writer just get a thesaurus?

[Lord Humungus]

Professor: Only White People Can Be Racist
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/11899/

Though Sue was thoroughly applauded by students, not everyone was pleased with his lecture.

A student rose up during the question-and-answer session, accusing Sue of bias himself, and stating that his entire speech was a "microaggression against white people."

Sue reacted by quoting Spike Lee's saying that only white people can be racist.

"Asian-Americans [for example] can discriminate and can oppress on an individual level, but on a systemic level, African-Americans, Asian-Americans, do not have the power to oppress in the way that a white person might do because they have the very institutions that support it," said Sue.

[Rich]

Nice discrimination logo

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

on a systemic level, African-Americans, Asian-Americans, do not have the power to oppress in the way that a white person might do

He obviously hasn't dealt with any public institutions in a long time.

[Whahappan?]

Or he's a liar.

[LTC(ret) John]

Or both, perhaps?

[DJF]

Ignoring the fact that she was the professor put in place by the college institution.

And Spike Lee is a director and producer, both those sound like positions of authority

[Isaac Bartram]

According to TFA, the professor is a he.

a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1BJfDvSITY"I tell ya, life ain't easy for a boy named "Sue.",/a

[Isaac Bartram]

Dammit!

According to TFA, the professor is a he.

I tell ya, life ain't easy for a boy named "Sue."

[BakedPenguin]

Dammit.

[BakedPenguin]

It's a "he". A boy named Sue.

[Auric Demonocles]

An English major friend from undergrad was in some liberal arts class where the professor explicitly said "only white people can be racist". She's actually pretty liberal, but she got up and walked right out of class, and dropped it that day. I was pretty pleased with her response.

Asian-Americans [for example] can discriminate and can oppress on an individual level, but on a systemic level, African-Americans, Asian-Americans, do not have the power to oppress in the way that a white person might do because they have the very institutions that support it,

Assuming this is true, that still doesn't show that these Asian Americans aren't being racist. It just shows they aren't being effective at being racists.

"[If you talk to] CEOs they all say that they worked and sacrificed hard, and I never deny that: indeed they worked hard," said Sue. "But what is invisible, is that there are women and people of color who worked equally hard, if not harder, but don't make it to the batter's box."

Why does that sound so much like the lead in to "You didn't build that"?

[mad libertarian guy]

Of course the entire argument presupposes that racism, or even simple discrimination on an individual level, is a purely American phenomena. I'm sure that Asians in Asian countries absolutely discriminate on a systemic level in EXACTLY the same way that this cock muncher maintains that they aren't capable of.

[Randian]

Some Asian countries are pretty notorious for their racism...so yes, I concur entirely.

[LTC(ret) John]

Indeed, being guilty of Korean-ness in Japan will close many a door to you.

[Randian]

If you think bringing home a black boyfriend in Georgia is bad, go ahead and do it when you live in a Japanese household.

[LTC(ret) John]

Mass seppuku?

[gaijin]

But what is invisible....

If it is invisible, then it is an assertion of belief...not evidence.

[Stormy Dragon]

Assuming this is true, that still doesn't show that these Asian Americans aren't being racist. It just shows they aren't being effective at being racists.

Just like a white person to assume only white people are competent enough to be effective racists.

[Bobarian]

The only good racist is a white racist!

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Sue, who is Asian-American, described a typical microaggression: being told he spoke "excellent English" by a taxi driver, even though he was born in Portland, OR. That microaggression delivered a "metacommunication," which Sue said was "you are an alien inside your own country."

How much do you want to bet the taxi driver was a foreigner with bad English skills?

And what a delicate piece of turd paper the professor is.

[Auric Demonocles]

That's a microaggression against taxi drivers!

[R C Dean]

Holy category error! Love the slide from [anyone] can discriminate and oppress to an individual level, to only white people have the institutions to engage in discrimination, and back to only white people can discriminate, even though anyone can.

Or something.

[Auric Demonocles]

Who are you going to believe, a liberal arts professor or a lying dictionary?

[Ted S.]

The response should be that now that we've elected a black president, the "minorities don't have the power" line goes out the window.

[Lord Humungus]

A Boy Named Sue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOHPuY88Ry4

[BakedPenguin]

Apparently, this guy chose a more passive aggressive way to get back at his tormentors than the protagonist of Cash's story.

[Coeus]

These microaggressions may seem isolated and harmless, but Sue stated that "study after study" shows that they are cumulative and "sap the spiritual and psychic energies of people of color." In addition, says Sue, they are the reason behind large societal disparities in education, health, employment, and other fields.

Wonder if the "psychic energy" study was peer reviewed?

[Francisco d Anconia]

So, at least the studies were scientific. I wonder if unicorns were involved?

[Stormy Dragon]

"I can no longer sit back and allow racist infiltration, racist indoctrination, racist subversion and the international racist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids."

[Coeus]

And their intentions become clear in the last paragraph:

"I can personally relate to a lot of the things Sue was saying about microaggressions against Asian-Americans," said Christine Noh, a sophomore journalism student. "Yet I was never one to take offense to it- but I see it in a different light now."

[Red Rocks Rockin]

Bingo--it's not about educating people in regards to real racism, it's about making them hypersensitive to every little slight, real or perceived, in order to find someone to shame and/or shake down.

This fucking country--shit like this makes me wish sometimes that the Chinese or Russians would pull an actual invasion just to put us out of our misery. Considering we're cultivating a population of whiny-ass crybabies, a severe culling in some form is probably inevitable.

[Marshall Gill]

Look at the entire world, RR, and you will come more to my position that a Death Star is required.

[Coeus]

them hypersensitive to every little slight, real or perceived,

I remember when we first delved into the term here. The vast majority of them are experienced by everyone on a regular basis. But apparently if you're a white male, it can't be discrimination because, well duh, you're a white male. Things like (this was in the article) being asked to move to balance a small plane or helicopter (happens to me frequently). Apparently, if you're not a white guy, it's a microagression. It's only physics if you're white.

And the clincher is: because you're white, you can never understand. So explanations are meaningless (convenient, isn't it?). So we really need to get a "person of color" to ask these idiots what the fuck they're talking about.

[mr simple]

"I can personally relate to a lot of the things Sue was saying about microaggressions against Asian-Americans," said Christine Noh, a sophomore journalism student. "Yet I was never one to take offense to it- but I see it in a different light now."

And another grievance monger is born. Mission accomplished, whiny left. But of course it was white privilege that caused these feelings in her.

[The Late P Brooks]

Mika was being extra-cunty and smug this morning. Seriously, if there was photographic evidence of her favorite President eating the still-beating heart of a five year old boy, she'd jump up and down and clap and goggle.

[sloopyinca]

GA Police chief sentenced to two years in federal court for repeatedly slapping and punching restrained detainee in the face.

Funny that the local and state officials didn't think he did anything wrong enough to pursue charges. Maybe if they didn't investigate themselves there would be more prosecutions of this kind, but only at the local level.

[John]

That is actually one of the few proper roles for federal law enforcement. Too bad they spend their time doing state level drug cases.

[sloopyinca]

It's also a job of local law enforcement to prosecute people who violently batter restrained individuals. It's called assault and battery, and it would also carry a "possession of a handgun in commission of a violent crime" enhancer if he was a "civilian". But his fellow officers just stood there and watched him beat a guy to the point of breaking his nose and did nothing. And the local DA had it all of tape and did nothing.

That's my point. Thus asshole should have been locked up for his real crime of AB with a firearm enhancer, not some civil rights bullshit.

[John]

Sure they should. But they often don't because locals are often corrupt assholes. That is why we need to feds to step in sometime.

[Spoonman.]

There's a hilarious article on the front page of the Philly Inquirer today about how the FBI has opened a tip line specifically for Philadelphia's corruption.

The people aren't any more corrupt here, you see, but the institutions and culture of "pay-to-play" make it corrupt.

Which is really just a way of saying "holy crap, this place is corrupt."

[Ted S.]

I'm sure the cop was just following procedure.

[The Late P Brooks]

Sue reacted by quoting Spike Lee's saying that only white people can be racist.

If Spike Lee said it, it must be true.

[Lord Humungus]

Constitutional Scholar he is.

[Auric Demonocles]

Still better than Obama.

[sarcasmic]

New LG monitors. So real it's scary.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci.....reens.html

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Now that's funny.

[Rich]

So, they're urine-proof?

[Bobarian]

Does Urine even post here anymore?

[sarcasmic]

Man gets the shit kicked out of him by tolerant and inclusive people who were just trying to steal his Romney sign.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....signs.html

[sarcasmic]

WTF! Cops kill another naked person! Is that three in one week?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....ndows.html

[Whiterun Guard]

Well, this guy was gay, so there's a tiny chance the MSM will run with it.

Hahaha who am I kidding.

[DJF]

That's it, I am putting on clothes. No more naked internet for me.

[Ted S.]

Thank god for that.

[sarcasmic]

Natalie Portman is still hot!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....ender.html

[Lord Humungus]

why yes she is.

[Auric Demonocles]

With the prequels, she went down a path I cannot follow. It was breaking my.... erection.

[John]

I saw that yesterday. She is actually hotter now than she ever has been. Having a kid filled her out a bit. She looks spectacular now.

[Auric Demonocles]

Because of the positive responses, I checked it out. I would have to agree, with the additional comment that that haircolor is not working that well for her.

[John]

A little. Cut her some slack. She has Emma Watson breathing down her neck looking to take all of her good roles. The competition between those two is going to be epic in the coming years. I think it will come down to who is willing to take off their kit the most.

[Zeb]

" I think it will come down to who is willing to take off their kit the most."

Well, let's hope so. Emma Watson does still have a bit much of the skinny teen look going for my taste, though.

[John]

She is a bit square jawed as well. She is not unattractive. But I don't think she is that pretty.

[$park?]

The new mom tits certainly don't hurt.

[Randian]

She never really did anything for me.

[Restoras]

Yes, shei is indeed.

[Night Elf Mohawk]

She's no Malena Morgan.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

*googles*

Whoa.

[Night Elf Mohawk]

I think she is physical perfection.

[Brett L]

Wow. Guess I should turn safe-search on. Or not, since my boss is about 7 states away.

[R C Dean]

Not only is she easy on the eyes, she's also smart.

[Randian]

If Pledging Allegiance to Obama is a smart move in your eyes...

[Zeb]

I think one has to accept that there are lots of smart people in the world who are also wrong.

[John]

Whatever intelligence she once had, I am sure four years at Brown beat out of her.

[R C Dean]

Harvard, which doesn't always succeed in beating the smart out of everyone.

[John]

Says you. I guess it was Watson that went to Brown. I am already confusing those two.

[JEP]

Portman went to Harvard.

[Whiterun Guard]

Plenty of smart people have fallen under his spell.

Hell even Penn voted for him, or said he was going to.

[Randian]

Stupidity over Obama was acceptable in 2008. In 2012 it's inexcusable.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

And a diehard liberal.

[Lord Humungus]

I could change that with some patented Lord Humungus brainwashing techniques.

[Randian]

I don't care how hot or smart she is, if she came in the house with that Pledge Writing on her hands, she'd be out on the street.

[R C Dean]

You can be smart and wrong.

Just look around.

[Ted S.]

Hedy Lamarr had her beat on both counts.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Hedy, the dreamgirl of every RF engineer.

[LTC(ret) John]

"That's Hedley!"

[Ska]

That's Hedley.

[The Late P Brooks]

Funny that the local and state officials didn't think he did anything wrong enough to pursue charges.

I think the FBI should devote at least as much time to investigating abuse of police authority as they do hatching terror plots against America.

Crazy, I know.

[sarcasmic]

Time laps photos from International Space Station. Pretty cool.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....hotos.html

[Whiterun Guard]

Lapsed.

Like your grammar! OH SNAP.

[sloopyinca]

PoliceOne thinks it's perfectly fine to make a person illegally stopped without PC do pushups when the illegal search (sans warrant) doesn't turn up any drugs.

Choice comments:
WTF we all should know that now is not like it was in days gone by. This pushup shit was stupid since us old timers know that now a days these pussies complain about everything. Back in the day he would have been thankful to do pushups!

and

Seriously??? "shocking to the conscience of civilized society"?!?!?
What has happened to us as a country? We are the direct descendants of the men (and I mean MEN), that stormed the beaches of Normandy. Two generations ago, if we as Americans weren't directly involved in the war effort and stabbing Nazis in the face, we were back home, sacrificing luxuries, growing Victory Gardens and eating yellow-colored Crisco instead of butter, not only not complaining about it, but PROUD that we could be doing something, ANYTHING, for the privilege of living in the greatest country on the planet. Only two generations have gone by, and now we got people "shocked" that someone was told to do a couple push-ups. How is it I am able to love my country more than I do myself or anything else, yet hate it with a passion at the same time?

Fucking barbarians think they're Judge Dredds.

[Whiterun Guard]

I'm actually OK with this, becuase fuck these people.

[John]

I don't know about that guy's grandfather, but both of mine would have told the cop where to go. Since when is standing for idiotic humiliation American?

[Zeb]

Honestly. "Our grandparents made sacrifices for the war effort, so you shits should be grateful for the opportunity to be humiliated by us noble heroes".

As if being illegally forced to do something by a thug with a badge and a gun is at all equivalent to making necessary sacrifices during wartime. I think these delusional fuckers really see themselves as soldiers on the front line sometimes.

[John]

They totally see themselves that way.

[sarcasmic]

I think these delusional fuckers really see themselves as soldiers on the front line sometimes.

That is exactly true. They are soldiers and we are the enemy.

When they "serve the public" they are serving everyone except any individual that they interact with. The "public" is everyone else. It is those bystanders who do nothing when the cops beat someone to death. They are the public. We are the enemy.

[John]

See Dunphy. The other day he posted a link of the Philadelphia police beating the shit out of some obviously derranged guy who had been spiting on people and the cops as well. Dunphy thought this was the greatest thing ever because the police gave a beating to someone who deserved. He was really proud of it and posted it on here.

I told him that if I just wanted some baboon to go beat the shit out of everyone who needed it, I would go do it myself. But that it is a really bad idea to have people like me out beating everyone who needs it. So instead we have cops who are supposed to be trained to deal with people like this without just beating the shit out of them. They get paid to treat even the worst people with some dignity and reasonableness.

It went right over his head. He accused me of being a troll. He didn't even respond.

[Warty]

He was spamming a bunch of threads with cop brutality stories that he thought were awesome. What a fucking baboon.

[LTC(ret) John]

Glad I could spend two years in war to gratify some power hungry goon's sense of purpose. I'd have told the cop "no", asked his badge number and just looked at him with arms crossed.

Of course, he probably would have tasered me or hit me with a club.

[sarcasmic]

Or killed you.

[LTC(ret) John]

Unless I STOPPED RESISTING! True.

[sarcasmic]

After reading those comments I know I will smile a big toothy smile the next time I read of a police officer being killed in the line of duty.

[LTC(ret) John]

That isn't right - maybe if it was one of those commenters, I could strain to see your point. But the family of some hapless deputy in St. Charles, IL wouldn't deserve to have their husband/father killed because some jackasses on a police authority worship site puff their chests beat their tiny little e-fists together and grunt.

[Whiterun Guard]

If they fail to police themselves, they deserve it.

For me, I get to laugh at both sides.

Every time a cop kills or beats someone I get to laugh, because that's what Americans want.

And every time a cop gets killed, I get to laugh, because fuck them.

[sarcasmic]

Would that hapless deputy intervene when one of his fellow officers chose to beat the shit out of someone in restraints?

Would any officer stop another officer from assaulting someone?

I honestly do not believe that they would. It's part of the mentality. If a fellow officer is beating someone up then the person deserves it. Why would the officer beat him up if he didn't deserve it?

Sorry, but I have absolutely zero respect for anyone in law enforcement.

They're all scum as far as I'm concerned.

[LTC(ret) John]

I do have to say that most of the LEOs I worked with would NOT do anything, in that you are correct - but I have actually met some few that would, and a pair (two out of many dozens, probably into the low 100s) that did (in Aurora IL when a Gang Unit steriod freak went off). All too rare, I know, but I hate tarring the entirety of a group, every single individual, even if the overall professional culture is broken.

I do wince with ever nutshot I see here, and I lost any naive respect for "Officer Friendly" once I actually worked with LEOs in my county. And MPs in the Army...urk.

[sarcasmic]

Essentially you're saying that 98% give the rest a bad name?

[LTC(ret) John]

It looks like that - I struggle to make sure I judge individuals on their own merits, rather than by group affiliation (OK, maybe I fail when it comes to hipsters). I have seen, or been a part of, enough death dealt out because of status as part of a group (and isn't that a big part of the drone problem?) - its my cross to bear, I guess.

As I have said, I can entirely see where you are coming from, and the current LEO culture is damnable.

[Whahappan?]

Not to condone sarcasmic's laughter at cop's deaths, but he has a point. Look what happened to that female cop in North Jersey who intervened when two cops attacked a mentally ill guy. She got kicked off the force and treated as a pariah by everyone in law enforcement. Even if they don't engage in thuggery themselves, they support it, even if tacitly.

[Somalian Road Corporation]

http://schoolcraftjustice.com/

Like many police officers, PO Schoolcraft joined the NYPD to help people and serve communities plagued by real crime; instead he was faced with enormous pressure to harass law abiding people in order to fudge statistics. Morally opposed to these policies, PO Schoolcraft refused to follow these unlawful orders and was met with retaliation from the highest levels of the NYPD. This ultimately culminated in an attempt to forcibly silence and discredit him; on October 31, 2009, several high ranking NYPD officials illegally entered PO Schoolcraft's home, forcibly removed him in handcuffs, seized his personal effects, including evidence he had gathered documenting NYPD corruption, and had him admitted to Jamaica Hospital Center against his will, under the false pretense that he was "emotionally disturbed."

[sarcasmic]

Not to condone sarcasmic's laughter at cop's deaths

I said smile, not laugh.

But yes, you captured my point. Even if a cop isn't themselves a thug, they support thuggery by not stopping it. So fuck them. Every last one. Even the "good" ones.

[LTC(ret) John]

Even if a cop [Afghan] isn't themselves a thug [Talib], they support thuggery [terror] by not stopping it. So fuck them. Every last one. Even the "good" [innocent] ones.

That is too close to the justification for drone-kills for me, even if you are correct about the wider LEO world.

[sarcasmic]

Police are in a position of power, while the average Afghan is not.

Analogy fail.

[sloopyinca]

But the difference, John, is that those Afghans do not voluntarily choose to live around the Taliban terrorists. Last time I checked, every single cop in America volunteered for the job. The whole guilt by association is a false equivalency because the Afghanis are forced into the association while the cops do it voluntarily.

[sarcasmic]

But the difference, John, is that those Afghans do not voluntarily choose to live around the Taliban terrorists.

Additionally the average Afghan does not have the power to stop the Taliban. What is an individual Afghan going to do against an armed gang? Organize another armed gang? Then what? Get droned for being an armed gang?

As opposed to the police where any individual bad actor is always outnumbered.

[sarcasmic]

Makes me think of that recent video of the Philly cops beating up that guy in the church. The male cop has the guy on his back and is wailing on him, and instead of breaking things up his female partner is practically shoving him over so she can get a few whacks in.

Cops disgust me.

[LTC(ret) John]

As I said, its me - not everyone else. I do understand, and the distinction between a guy walking to his mud hut when the Hellfire comes in and the cop who chooses to shot dogs, terrorize and beat the innocent is a clear one - but a village that shelters a group of Talib because of tribal hospitality or religious precription shouldn't be destroyed either.

I am just struggling to articulate my difficulty with absolutes. #$%ing; LEO misconduct makes me angry and sad, this difficulty I have just makes it worse.

[sloopyinca]

Good. Use your aggressive feelings, John. Let the hate flow through you.

[LTC(ret) John]

I have already become a libertarian, how much more can I turn to the Dark Side?!

[sloopyinca]

Have you ever seen a picture of Warty?

[The Fatman]

Hey man, by your own count it is ONLY 2% that are actually "good". If the cop killed somehow manages to be one of those it is called "acceptable loss", or just "collateral damage". Fuck the police. If they were to all die in a fire I would buy marshmallows and hot dogs for everyone that came to the bonfire.

[R C Dean]

But the family of some hapless deputy in St. Charles, IL wouldn't deserve to have their husband/father killed because some jackasses on a police authority worship site puff their chests beat their tiny little e-fists together and grunt.

Every cop makes a choice to be a cop; there's you're individual responsibility.

I'm about to the point of saying that if you put on the uniform, you play the game, and you get what you get.

[Troy muy grande boner]

I'm there with you Sarcasmic. Fuck'em. Every one of them.

And when they beat the shit out of a middle class white guy, I get an even bigger boner. Especially one of those obama voting fucks who can't be bothered to read the new that didn't get his license and registration out fast enough who thinks police brutality and prisons happen to "other people."

[Troy muy grande boner]

*news.

[The Late P Brooks]

We are the direct descendants of the men (and I mean MEN), that stormed the beaches of Normandy.

These are the people who scream "OFFICER SAFETY!!!!" and shoot anything on four legs headed in their general direction.

If asked to attack a heavily armed and entrenched defense force, they would file a union grievance and stage a sit-down strike.

[Whiterun Guard]

They are heroes just like the men (and I mean MEN) at Normandy. A stupid sheep like you should be forever grateful if they deign to bludgeon or tase you.

And the most honorable death you can have is if they shoot you.

[R C Dean]

We are the direct descendants of the men (and I mean MEN), that stormed the beaches of Normandy.

As are the people you abuse. Why do you boast about abusing the direct descendants of the men who stormed the beaches.

And, as an aside, why do you refer to them as things ("that", rather than "who")?

[Night Elf Mohawk]

They're closer to direct descendants of the men defending Normandy at that time.

[Randian]

Alright, everyone go home for the day. NEM just did the best Godwin I have ever seen.

[SugarFree]

Godwin doesn't apply if the discussion is already about Nazis.

[Randian]

But it wasn't!

[SugarFree]

Wasn't it?

[Night Elf Mohawk]

No.

[LTC(ret) John]

you know who else discussed Nazis?

[SugarFree]

Jack Gladney?

[T]

*slow clap*

[Somalian Road Corporation]

These are the people who scream "OFFICER SAFETY!!!!" and shoot anything on four legs headed in their general direction.

Haha, headed in their direction? You're not going to terrorize the "civilian" populace with that thinking. Let's check in with Balko:

Pot raid in Detroit = triple puppycide. One dog was fenced in the backyard. According to witnesses, police chased the other two around the house until they had killed them.

[sarcasmic]

You SF'd the link.

[Somalian Road Corporation]

God damn it, I'm positive that was fine. I had some links the other day that were correctly formatted break too and preview not working doesn't help.

[R C Dean]

If someone chased my dogs around the house until they were cornered and then gunned them down, I would do nothing.

For awhile. Until the dust settled. And then I would hunt them down and kill them. Every man needs a hobby, after all.

The dish would be cold, but it would be eaten, oh, yes.

[Troy muy grande boner]

No you wouldn't. You wouldn't risk your meal ticket (read: bar license) to do some justice like killing pigs. Please, no one in this room is going to fucking risk anything.

[Somalian Road Corporation]

http://motorcitymuckraker.com/.....-pot-bust/

[R C Dean]

The comments are gratifyingly anti-cop. A few apologists showed up, and were shown the door.

[John]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion.....al-hatred/

Famously tingly MSNBC host Chris Matthews decided the whole race came down to, well, race. In one of the more outlandish rants of an outlandish career, Matthews said the right hates Obama more than they want to destroy Al Qaeda, according to The Hill. The rant is too priceless to edit:

"I think they hate Obama. They want him out of the White House more than they want to destroy Al Qaeda. Their No. 1 enemy in the world right now, on the right, is their hatred, hatred for Obama. And we can go into that about the white working class in the South and looking at these numbers we're getting the last couple days about racial hatred in many cases ? this isn't about being a better president, they want to get rid of this president,' he said."

If Obama loses, how epic will Matthews' meltdown on election night be? He keeps getting crazier and crazier. Where does this end?

[Randian]

I have to think that Chris is just trolling us, because the alternative is too horrifying to ponder.

[Randian]

In order to keep my mind from breaking, I have convinced myself that Mathews is just trolling us. The alternative is too horrifying to contemplate.

[Restoras]

Someone here speculated that he would blow his brains out on national TV. I'd settle for a Scanners-style head explosion.

It'd be the best thing about a Mittens win. The collective freakout of the left would be so so delicious.

[John]

People on the Right were pissed in 08. But they at least had some dignity about it. The Left is going to throw the world's largest temper fit if they lose. They are so pathetic. It is just an election for God's sake. It is not like Romney is some kind of radical. Just what the hell do they think it going to happen if they lose?

[robc]

Will it top 1994?

That is still the greatest political freakout I have ever seen.

[John]

I think so, at least among the major media. They have invested everything in Obama.

[Whiterun Guard]

Yeah, this would be an order of magnitude bigger. The cult of personality is much much stronger now.

[Ken Shultz]

There is no way the American people can reject what progressives want--because the American people want what progressives want.

It cannot happen in their universe.

Unless people were lied to by the Koch Brothers and Fox news.

That's the essence of their objection. That and a personality cult surrounding Obama. The American people can't reject Barack Obama as their lord and savior--because he is their lord and savior.

Now get on your knees and pray to him, John.

[Restoras]

People on the left seem to have adopted their ideology as a quasi-religion. Any offense, affront against it is to be treated as the equivalent as heresy and struck down just as hard as any religious zealot would smite an unbeleiver. It's pathetic, and frankly a little firghtening too, given the history of 20th Centurly left-wing based dictatorships.

[Ken Shultz]

"People on the left seem to have adopted their ideology as a quasi-religion."

GMTA.

[John]

What is scary is the media. If some crackpot dictator came out of Alabama holding a bible, we could depend on the media to resist. But if the dictator comes out of Harvard and is one of them, they will roll over. That is what the last four years have proven. If the guy is one of them, the media will do anything for him.

[Ken Shultz]

They didn't care when he was against gay marriage, that's for sure.

They didn't care when he exploited bigotry against Muslims to divert voter's attention away from his own administration's incompetence in Benghazi, either.

They don't care what Obama thinks and does--so long as it's Obama thinking and doing it.

That's a cult.

[Somalian Road Corporation]

I found it was pretty much impossible to use the gay marriage thing as an argument against him because the kind of people that should have been receptive to it just said that he was lying and it wasn't what he really believed. Nuance!

[John]

He wouldn't really put people into camps. And besides, the Republicans are worse.

[BigT]

Just like the last time - when that greatest of great Republican icons put 70,000 Japanese in camps!!

...er, you mean FDR was a Dem?

All is forgiven.

[Troy muy grande boner]

Hey they were only internment camps. What's the problem?

[Ted S.]

Budd Dwyer (I think that's the correct video; I didn't watch it this time.)

[PowerBottom]

Good ol' nose faucet Budd.

[Somalian Road Corporation]

See also, Schumer and those sinister rich Republicans who only care about money are deliberately sabotaging the economy and their own pocketbooks just to make Obama look bad.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

They want him out of the White House more than they want to destroy Al Qaeda. Their No. 1 enemy in the world right now, on the right, is their hatred, hatred for Obama.

What a fucking joke. Al Qaeda would be irrelevant to us if we stopped playing World Police. Obama, on the other hand, has and will continue to cause all kinds of mischief that impacts our lives whether we are overseas or not. So it's hardly surprising that he's higher on the "I Hates That!" totem pole.

[The Late P Brooks]

If the cop had ordered the guy to get down on his knees and pray to Jesus for forgiveness, the ACLU would all over it.

[Randian]

Fuck you spam filter.

[John]

It has gone skynet. A couple of times it blocked posts of mine that didn't even have links. They were just text. It has gone beyond annoying.

[Randian]

It lets our criticism through much in the same way I let my dog get juuuust enough leash before yanking him back.

[Zeb]

I'd never had a post blocked before yesterday. And I had no links either.

[Ken Shultz]

It's done it to me before for posting in quick succession.

Sometimes I type faster than I talk, and if I get more than one post in real quick, the spam filter will kick in sometimes.

[Ken Shultz]

"The Seattle Police Department is reportedly purchasing two drones for about $150,000. It purchased two for $85,000 in 2010 which it hasn't used yet."

Jesus, that's cheap!

Doesn't the Second Amendment cover drones?

I used to want a remote control helicopter, now I want a drone!

Preferably one that fires lasers out of its eyes.

Just like the Seattle Police Department, I'd never actually use it, though.

Promise.

[John]

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/20.....-homicide/

Note next to murdered pregnant woman in New York City threatens killing one pregnant woman a month unless DC sniper is released. That sucks.

[Ted S.]

On the other hand, they're New Yorkers.

[Whiterun Guard]

One a month? That's not a very aggressive schedule.

[Randian]

I don't want to revel in the macabre, but it's brilliant.

[NoVAHockey]

The Post magazine just profiled the DC sniper. i'm blaming them.

[John]

If we Virginia had given him the needle, there wouldn't be any reason to demand his release. Those guys were no shit terrorists. Not surprising they have attracted a deranged follower or two.

[Emmerson Biggins]

so they should go ahead and execute him?

[Fatty Bolger]

October surprise!

Donald Trump Claims To Have Barack Obama Bombshell

Former rumored presidential candidate Donald Trump appeared on Fox Friends Monday and told viewers that he had "very big" news concerning President of the United States Barack Obama.

Could be good for some lulz.

[Whiterun Guard]

Turns out he's black!

[Randian]

You're half right.

[Ted S.]

The media will try to put Romney on the defensive over it.

[Ken Shultz]

One of the biggest outstanding threats to Romney is people associated with Republicans saying stupid shit.

If I were Romney, I'd keep Michele Bachmann and Ann Coulter on retainer--to keep their stupid mouths shut for the next few weeks.

I guess you couldn't keep Trump from shooting his stupid mouth off for all the money in the world, but at least he could limit some of the damage.

[Randian]

Is this Part II in Ken Shultz's documentary "Don't Ever Be Confrontational or Edgy?"

[Ken Shultz]

No. This is a statement of fact.

All politics is national. And the media is out there staying up late every night trying to think up new and better ways to smear Romney, right now.

They're dying for the lack of something they can smear all Republicans with--and splash it all over Romney.

"#$%@ Republicans Say" is their favorite storyline.

Case in point:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....70502.html

That's how they roll.

[Ken Shultz]

I mean, for shit's sake, Trump is a fucking Birther!

What he's got very well could be related to that shit.

...and that's the last thing Romney needs right now. But publicity hound jackasses like Coulter and Trump don't give a shit. All they care about is getting their ugly faces on camera as often as possible. If getting that done sabotages a Republican's election chances, what do they care? As long as it gets them on TV.

[Brett L]

Trump has Obama dirt, Alred had Romney dirt, both can't stand not being on TV. Such utter bullshit.

[VG Zaytsev]

Trump's going to endorse Obama and say that he was trolling the Rs for a year to show how crazy they are.

[The Late P Brooks]

I think these delusional fuckers really see themselves as soldiers on the front line sometimes.

The Baboon Army of Occupation.

[LTC(ret) John]

Don't baboons eventually quit screeching and flining feces after a while? Not so sure about policeone.

[sarcasmic]

Kim Basinger's 17yr old daughter in a bikini on the beach.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....inger.html

Wow.

[LTC(ret) John]

You are lucky you are not a teacher in Texas, that could get you jailed!

[John]

That is called good genes.

[Fatty Bolger]

The thoughtless little pig is all grown up.

[Randian]

I forgot about that.

[John]

http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....cking_poll

Rasmussen now has Romney at 50%. That, along with Gallup, is two national polls that have him at or above 50%. One can be an outlier. But two is less likely to be such.

[Fatty Bolger]

Yeah, but that was before horses and bayonets, which is the new Big Bird and binders of women that will save Obama's presidency. Just you watch!

[John]

I actually sympathize with Obama on that. Smaller doesn't necessarily mean worse. The lethality of weapons has gone up so much, you don't need and really can't have the huge armies and navies of yesterday.

That said, I doubt the people in Norfolk really see it that way. If Virginia wasn't gone before, it is now.

[SugarFree]

Feminist tries to lose the baby weight.

I gained 80 pounds during my pregnancy. Yes, I know, that's excessive for a single birth. Whatever. Let's not dwell on it. The point is, for the past 13 months, I've been barreling down the long road back to my pre-baby size, like a truck wearing one of those big, yellow "wide-load" banners. But I've finally arrived (basically)! And while I knew it would be a difficult journey, I hadn't realized it would be such an expensive one. I've spent $7800 on weight-loss methods that I've read about in celebrity tabloids. That's nearly $100 per pound. Yes, I know. I know.

I have been stressing out about losing the baby weight since the day that I found out I was pregnant. Judging by the experiences of my mother and the other women in my family, I just knew that I wouldn't be one of those "you can really only tell from side!" kind of pregnant ladies. And I didn't do much to control it. I kind of let go. I had a laissez-faire attitude about eating in that it was "lazy-fare." You know, the kind of stuff that couch potatoes consume. It was kind of fun.

By the way, ladies... if you want to understand the fear of commitment most men have, read the comments.

[John]

Gaining 78 pounds during pregnancy is unhealthy. There is no excuse for that. You don't do your unborn child any good sitting on your ass eating ice cream all day.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

A woman of normal weight should put on about 25-30 pounds.

I like how she says "But I've finally arrived (basically)!!" That's code for, "My ass still won't fit into my jeans, but I'm going to call it a day so I can go back to sitting on my ass and complaining."

[John]

Some women have to be told by their doctors to gain weight. Pregnant women can still exercise. The only women who gain a lot of weight are women who use being pregnant as an excuse to just not care anymore.

[sloopyinca]

We have about 7 weeks to go and Banjos has gained about 15 lbs. She'll probably gain another 8-10 down the homestretch and she hasn't exactly been super-active. For a woman to gain 80 lbs, she would have to actively be trying to get super-fat.

Also, what did she weigh before the pregnancy? Based on the picture, she looks pretty slight aside from the baby gut, so either she is lying about gaining 80 lbs during her pregnancy (my guess) or she was so skinny before that it was going to be impossible to get back down simply due to the physical changes her body would have gone through due to the pregnancy (breasts getting bigger, hips widening and body storing extra fat).

[SugarFree]

Pre-pregnancy, she was wide in every pic I've seen, but not really fat. But her body structure was always headed toward gaining weight eventually.

[Auric Demonocles]

You can join a gym for 13 months for as low as $130 (Planet Fitness), and probably in the $650 range for a more average estimate at a better gym. The cost of food should be pretty much unchanged from your previous food spending, if not lower. I spend $2-3 a day for lunch since I switched to the salad bar.

[Drake]

You can ingest fewer calories than you burn for free.

[T]

A walk around the block every evening is pretty cheap last time I checked, too.

[Auric Demonocles]

Of course you don't need to join a gym to accomplish that, but it helps a lot (assuming you go). Burning 500-600 calories in a run followed by a few hundred more with some weights and core speeds things up a lot.

[T]

I was reading recently that running vs. walking doesn't burn any more calories per unit distance, which makes intuitive sense from a thermo persepctive. You just get finished faster, whihc is worth something.

[T]

I was reading recently that running vs. walking doesn't burn any more calories per unit distance, which makes intuitive sense from a thermo persepctive. You just get finished faster, whihc is worth something.

[T]

I was reading recently that running vs. walking doesn't burn any more calories per unit distance, which makes intuitive sense from a thermo persepctive. You just get finished faster, whihc is worth something.

[T]

Dafuq?

[Auric Demonocles]

I was reading earlier that posting 3 times burns more calories than posting once.

[Citizen Nothing]

At my office there's a poster by the elevator saying something like "Taking the stairs burns five times more calories than riding the elevator!"
Ok -- So if I ride the elevator up and down five times I should be good to go, right?

[sloopyinca]

So stupid I LOLd. Thanks for the laugh.

[Spoonman.]

I spend, usually, about $0.85 on lunch, since I brown-bag it.

[Auric Demonocles]

I hate wasting my time making food enough that an extra $2 is worth it. Also, less than $1? What are you eating, microwave ravioli?

[Spoonman.]

A standard is a burrito - make beans and rice on Sunday, combine with some salsa and shredded cheese in a tortilla. Solid, healthy, and cheap.

[sarcasmic]

You must have a very aromatic office.

[sloopyinca]

Oh, if you made the beans and rice on Sunday, I'll grant you that "solid" is an accurate descriptor.

[sarcasmic]

I do that from time to time. Here's a tip to try, assuming you like spicy food.

Take a can of chipotle in adobo sause, and add as much as you dare to the beans.

What I often do is puree the contents of the can in the food processor, and then spoon it out as I need it.

[sloopyinca]

A can of chipotle? Couldn't I just roast them myself and use them as needed? Canned peppers are so pedestrian.

[sarcasmic]

They're canned in adobo sauce. It's the combination that makes it awesome. That and they're so spicy they'll make your ears ring.

[sarcasmic]

Just to clarify a bit, a chipotle is a jalapeno that was smoked and dried after it was allowed to turn red on the vine.
If you buy them in the store as is, they're these small leathery things filled with seeds. Not much fun.
The canned ones are moist and easy to process, and the sauce seems to make them hotter if that is possible.

Good stuff!

[sloopyinca]

A civilized person would grow their own and smoke them at home. As far as the sauce goes, it's a pretty simple one to make. Use ancho chiles, some vinegar, salt, pepper, fresh garlic, ground coriander and a bit of sugar and you're all set.

Stop living like a barbarian, dammit.

[sarcasmic]

Your loss.

[sloopyinca]

I'm just fucking with you. The canned stuff is actually pretty good, especially the Herdez ones. I just prefer to make my own since I had a bumper crop of peppers this year.

By the way, in case any are interested, the Topsy-Turvy Pepper grower is fucking awesome. If you lack space and/or need to move things around to get good light, it's a pretty good way to grow peppers. We got a lot more than we would have out of the ground where we lived before coming to the farm.

[sarcasmic]

My house is surrounded by tree topped hills.
At best I can give plants five hours of direct sun.
No garden here.

[sloopyinca]

5 hours should be good enough for jalapenos. You could certainly do Anaheims or Fresnos woth that much, and a Fresno chile is a stretch better than a jalapeno anyway.

[Auric Demonocles]

You're calling other people barbarians for paying others to generate their food for them? Forgoing division of labor is civilized?

[sloopyinca]

Division of labor is all fine and good, but when it comes to food, I would much rather take the time and care into making my own instead of letting someone else do it. For one, I love to cook. Hell, I made an apple pie yesterday from scratch just because I was bored.

The kitchen is man's greatest achievement.

[sarcasmic]

when it comes to food, I would much rather take the time and care into making my own

I agree to a point. Some things, like those chilis, I would rather buy. I generally keep frozen vegetables because fresh ones tend to go bad before they get used. One thing I hate is throwing food in the trash.

Hell, I made an apple pie yesterday from scratch just because I was bored.

The other day I had a mess of leftover homefries. So I got a slab of salmon from the store and baked it medium rare. I roughly flaked it into the homefries, made a quick bechemel to moisten things up, and had the wife make a pie crust. Viola! Salmon pie! Dab a little canned cranberry sauce on top. Yum!

[Bobarian]

You should smother them in artisnal mayo, too.

[Bobarian]

You should smother them in artinal mayo, too.

[Auric Demonocles]

No meat? What an abomination.

[Appalachian Australian]

Spices are generally an acceptable substitute for massive amounts of meat, especially if legumes are involved.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

She spent $7800 on various weight loss methods.

I spent $350 on P90X and some weights.

I guess I'm smarter than she is.

[MattJ]

I lost 60 lbs in 2009 by... eating less. Quit drinking calories, quit eating junk food, quit eating at restaurants except for work functions.

Didn't change my exercise habits at all.

Cheaper than free, except for buying new clothes.

[Appalachian Australian]

Unfortunately, because of all the sodium in those frozen meals, I ended up gaining 10 pounds in two months, so I quit.

Next time try going "low so".

[Spoonman.]

Also, my sister and both of my wife's sisters-in-law seem to have gone back quite quickly. They all breastfed, and maybe this woman didn't, but they don't seem to have had any trouble with it at all.

Of course they seemed to be at healthy weights beforehand, so that might be related.

[Appalachian Australian]

By this time it had been six months since I'd given birth and I was no longer breastfeeding.
Six months is a bit early to quit. Lactation consultants or joining LLL is cheaper than $7800.

She might have had legitimate medical reasons to quit but neglects to say so either way.

[Appalachian Australian]

Next time, please warn us that there are pictures. Geesh.

We spent less than $7800 on a freaking Lap-Band. Going low carb is even cheaper.

[Troy muy grande boner]

$5160.00 on a personal trainer? The hamster is strong with this one Obi Wan.

[sloopyinca]

Modesto police officer arrested for molesting family member in 2009 and 2010.

FTA: Hodges is accused of molesting an underage female family member repeatedly between 2009 and 2010. The department says none of the alleged incidents happened while Hodges was on duty.

It speaks volumes that their first thought is to make sure they say it didn't happen while he was on duty instead of, you know, saying they feel bad for the victim of his crimes.

[Appalachian Australian]

It speaks volumes that their first thought is to make sure they say it didn't happen while he was on duty

He missed a chance for overtime.

[Coeus]

The comments on this article are great.

And bonus, it's about a giant black dong halloween costume.

bonus: lots of use of the word "whitesplain". The meaning of which is obvious, but I've never seen the term before.

[Coeus]

The comments on this article are great.

And bonus, it's about a giant black dong halloween costume.

bonus: lots of use of the word "whitesplain". The meaning of which is obvious, but I've never seen the term before.

[Auric Demonocles]

I had no idea what it meant until I saw the link was to jezebel. That jezeplained it to me.

[sloopyinca]

This is what happens when a police department overlooks the crimes of its officers. These assholes tried to fuck over a "civilian" by charging him with a crime they were at fault in, and all that happened was they got fired. Now they're suing the department because they weren't charged.

If you or I falsified an official statement, manufactured false testimony (perjury) and falsely imprisoned someone, we would have been in the slammer for a long time. These guys were given a pass by being fired, which left them free to simply get a job at another department where they could have continued breaking the law at their leisure.

I believe my disdain is on par with sarcasmic, because something as simple as this is emblematic of the internal corruption and covering-up and/or acceptance of criminal behavior by officers that goes on daily in America. Police officers cannot be trusted to do something as simple as admitting they were at fault in a traffic accident. To them, a more reasonable solution is to try and destroy another person's life with false charges, imprisonment and financial ruin that comes with it...all because they were at fault in a fender-bender. Imagine their malfeasance when they do something worse.

[Appalachian Australian]

We have filed a lawsuit against the Town of Medley and Police Chief Jeanette Said-Jinete which we allege among many, violations of our due process rights, violations of the town charter and violation of the Law Enforcement Officers Bill of Rights.

Of course, the LEOBOR are all things that law enforcement routinely deny to "civilians".

[sloopyinca]

^^BIGORATI^^

[LTC(ret) John]

Law Enforcement Officers Bill of Rights.

WTF?

[sloopyinca]

Oh, I can assure you it's fucking real.

FTA: Questioning of a law enforcement officer should be conducted for a reasonable length of time and preferably while the officer is on duty unless exigent circumstances apply.

Questioning of the law enforcement officer should take place at the offices of those conducting the investigation or at the place where the officer reports to work, unless the officer consents to another location.

Law enforcement officers will be questioned by a single investigator, and he or she shall be informed of the name, rank, and command of the officer conducting the investigation.

You know. The same treatment we get.

[db]

In a just world, the LEO Bill Of Rights would read like the UCMJ, including sentences of hard labor overseen by LEOs who care about upholding (regaining?) the honor of their profession.

[Appalachian Australian]

Some law Congress passed that basically says cops can't be interrogated the way, you know, the rest of us are by cops/prosecutors. Been around a long time.

[LTC(ret) John]

Oh God, I have to go puke now.

How do cops square their tuff gai self-image with being so delicate they cannot answer a question about shooting someone without having hand holding and special treatment?

[Killazontherun]

Stomachs of glass, every goddamned one of them.

[R C Dean]

Law Enforcement Officers Bill of Rights.

Its the law!

Really, it is, in a lot of places.

[Troy muy grande boner]

"They are wonderful officers actually."

Jesus. Just how what kind of line do you have to cross to be a less-than-wonderful officer?

[sloopyinca]

Busybody assholes, jealous competition and cops with nothing better to do with their time is a bad combination.

Funny, I forgot that Puritans were still running things in dunphy's neck of the woods.

[Appalachian Australian]

Today on Morning Jokers, something along the lines "Well, we need drone warfare even if it kills 4 year olds in Pakistan because the alternative is terrorists killing our 4 year olds here."

[sloopyinca]

You sure that weren't reading the comments from a thread on here over the weekend?

Did they at least give a shout out to Cytotoxic and/or John?

[GILMORE]

It has been almost one month since Mr. Nakoula was arrested for allegedly violating the terms of his probation for a 2010 bank-fraud conviction. According to reports, under his probation, Mr. Nakoula was prohibited from using computers and the internet without supervision

Ok, riddle me this = under what provision of the law can a court - after you've served a sentence for a conviction -place any arbitrary, unenforceable limitations on your behavior they want?....basically saying, "well, you have your freedom *now*....but the second you send an email? You're back in the slammer"

I am aware that pedophiles, for instance, are kept away from schools and whatnot... and i presume arsonists are supposed to avoid campfires or something.... but explain to me how a court gets authority to say, "you can't *use a computer*?" How in todays world is someone supposed to be able to do *any* kind of work at all sans electronic gizmos? Playing with his iPhone is the excuse for re-incaceration?

The fact is, the guy made a movie - perhaps under some false pretenses, which may be a base for a civil lawsuit against him - but which as far as I understand isnt' actually against the law.

The fact no one in the news seems to be addressing this at all bothers me. In fact I'd guess most people assume that it makes perfect sense for the govt to arbitrarily lock up people who generate upsetting feelings.

[sloopyinca]

I understand your anger here, but it's slightly misplaced.* He had not completed his sentence, but was released on probation, and the terms of his probation, which he agreed to, was that he not use computers unless authorized to do so by his PO. His sentence was not completed.

*I think you should be angry at the FBI for using a pretty slim argument to jail him for an excessive time when the whole issue could have been resolved by a phone call to his PO asking if he authorized him to use a computer for any reason. If he says yes, then they should have let him go. If he says no, then he needs to be put back in jail to complete his sentence. Pretty simple, really. Thee drawn out process is what burns me, and the fact that it's obviously a political retaliation attempting to chill free speech all the moreso.

[db]

One wonders how much pressure is being applied to his parole officer to answer that question "correctly."

[Appalachian Australian]

I wonder if this administration has heard of Canada's Human Rights Commission. Methinks they'd be *very* interested.

[sloopyinca]

Probably quite a lot. And I'm also guessing there's a lot of scouring e-mails going on to make sure permission wasn't given and if it was, for that to be scrutinized in a way that it can be twisted or scrubbed from memory and the guy can be locked back up.

If they had a open and shut case of a parole violation, this man would have been sent back to jail immediately. They know he was either given permission to work on a film or he was not being supervised at all by his PO and was told he could do whatever he wanted. And they know to let him go would be to admit they were wrong (and that they support insults to Islam). They can't afford to do that for another 2 weeks + 1 day.

[sarcasmic]

It's called Rule of Man.

The point of putting arbitrary and impossible conditions upon release is to ensure that if you piss off someone with power, they can fuck up your life.

Same idea with police discretion. Two people can commit the exact same crimes. One may walk because the officer likes him, while the other may be totally overcharged and railroaded because the cop and prosecution doesn't like them.

Anyone who claims we have rule of law is ignorant or stupid.

[Troy muy grande boner]

Anyone who claims we have rule of law is ignorant or stupid.

Or has a better lawyer on retainer than you.

[Brian]

"The Seattle Police Department is reportedly purchasing two drones for about $150,000. It purchased two for $85,000 in 2010 which it hasn't used yet."

When I read this, I assume that the cops on the Seattle PD just want an excuse to blow tax money on remote control airplane hobbies. I bet they haven't used their old one yet because they couldn't figure out how to work it.