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Culture

The Headline We've All Been Waiting For

Jesse Walker | 7.25.2011 2:06 PM

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  1. Nipplemancer   14 years ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53qeiAVjHQU

    1. MWG   14 years ago

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

      1. space biologist   14 years ago

        more likely:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj6_x5n1Y2Y

    2. Quetzalcoatl   14 years ago

      Threadjack:
      I've only ever seen the first Planet of the Apes. Is it worth watching the rest of the series?

      1. Trespassers W   14 years ago

        NO.

        1. Name Nomad   14 years ago

          I completely disagree with Trespasser W. The only proper answer to that question is, "FUCK NO!"

      2. har   14 years ago

        I've only ever seen the first Planet of the Apes. Is it worth watching the rest of the series?

        Nope. There are no Bonobos in any of the movies, so no monkey porn.

    3. oncogenesis   14 years ago

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUKS69Wj22I

  2. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

    See, this is the kind of doomsday scenario I've been waiting for. Not terrorists. Not debt. Apes with guns, mano-a-mano, let the best primate win.

    1. WTF   14 years ago

      Apes with guns, mano-a-mano, let the best primate win.

      Where would they get all the tanks, artillery, smart bombs and F-22's they would need to actually stand a chance of winning?

      1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

        They'd just take ours, silly.

        1. WTF   14 years ago

          Ah, well, that explains it then.

      2. Hugh Akston   14 years ago

        Yeah, just look at the ease with which the technological superiority of the US trounced its enemies in Viet Nam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

        The monkey war will be over in weeks.

        1. WTF   14 years ago

          I forgot about how we were conquered by Vietnam. My bad.

        2. Knutsack   14 years ago

          I don't think we've used our "real" technological superiority yet.

          1. Hugh Akston   14 years ago

            True, but weaponizing facebook will be a difficult and expensive process.

            1. Knutsack   14 years ago

              We start with Twitter first because that allows for fewer characters. Then, once we've perfected that, that's when we hit them with all of our weight: Facebook.

        3. CE   14 years ago

          The monkey war will be over in weeks.

          I wouldn't call it a war, really, more like an inter-species kinetic military action.

      3. Chupacabra   14 years ago

        Eric Holder and the ATF?

        1. WTF   14 years ago

          +1

        2. Sudden   14 years ago

          RACIST?

  3. Al Gore   14 years ago

    Manbearpig is just around the corner! I'm cereal!

  4. Scruffy Nerfherder   14 years ago

    I, for one, welcome our new man-ape overlords.

    1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

      See, the problem with this scaremongering is that if we can give monkeys human intelligence, we can give humans the strength, agility, and whatever else we want of other species. Not to mention, we're millennia ahead of the other primates in killer robot development. Our robot slaves will slaughter even intelligent monkeys by the thousand.

      1. Joe M   14 years ago

        What if the monkeys and robots unite against us???

        1. Nipplemancer   14 years ago

          skynet and ape overlords? then we're fucked.

          1. Jesse Walker   14 years ago

            skynet and ape overlords? then we're fucked.

            THE SIMIAN SINGULARITY

            1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

              Which, of course, is what's actually going to happen.

            2. db   14 years ago

              http://video.adultswim.com/sea.....brain.html

              "In science news today, surgeons have successfully transplanted little Django's brain into a robot-monkey body."

              1. dbcooper   14 years ago

                BEST EPISODE EVER!

        2. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

          That's not possible. Where do you get such ideas?

      2. Episiarch   14 years ago

        I hate every chimp I see, from chimp-an-A to chimp-an-Z...

        1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

          Really, do you think Dr. Zaius would be worse than our current government?

          1. Nipplemancer   14 years ago

            do you think real monkeys would do any worse?

            1. Joe M   14 years ago

              If there were millions of them, they might rewrite the Constitution to say:

              "Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of bleach."

              1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

                The Freedom of Feces.

                1. Joe M   14 years ago

                  Manbearpig would definitely support the right to keep bear arms.

                2. SugarFree   14 years ago

                  The right to bear feces.

                  1. SugarFree   14 years ago

                    Ape Congress shall make no ape law respecting an establishment of Ape religion, or prohibiting the free ape exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of ape speech, or of the ape press; or the right of the apes peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Ape Government for a redress of ape grievances.

                    1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

                      Nor shall Ape kill Ape without due process of law.

                    2. SugarFree   14 years ago

                      No Gorrila shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Ape Owner, nor in time of war on the beat Man, but in a manner to be prescribed by The Law Giver.

                  2. Pip   14 years ago

                    Bear feces good for tiny Asian penis.

                3. WTF   14 years ago

                  The right to screech and fling feces, shall not be abridged.

          2. Episiarch   14 years ago

            I said chimp, not orangutan, ProL. Try to stay with the program, OK? Everyone knows that orangutans are scientists.

            1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

              Well, if you'd been paying attention, you'd have noticed that Bright Eyes' trial was judged by orangutans. And the gorillas did Zaius' bidding. And Cornelius and Zira were scientists.

              Confess--you've only seen the Marky Mark version.

              1. SugarFree   14 years ago

                What a fucking mistake. If I was Episiarch, I'd just die from embarrassment. Assuming the gangrenous anal polyps didn't do me in first.

                1. Episiarch   14 years ago

                  All those fucking monkeys look the same to me, like the Irish.

                  1. Jim   14 years ago

                    I'm conflicted. Is it racist to say that different species of great apes all look the same?

                    Just in case it is, I'll give a preemptive RRRAAAAACCCCCIIIIIIISSSSSTTTTT!!!!!

                    1. SugarFree   14 years ago

                      To decide if something is racist, you first have to decide if a white guy said something. Whatever he said is racist.

                      Who are the white people among the apes? Gibbons?

                    2. Episiarch   14 years ago

                      Charlie: Oh, oh, oh! What about, uh, monkey? Monkeys are, like, nature's humans.

                      Dee: I doubt they have monkey, Charlie.

                      Charlie: People eat monkey, Dee. They ate it in Temple of Doom. You ever see that?

                      Chinese Butcher: Hey. We got monkey.

                    3. Joe M   14 years ago

                      It's probably just tapeworms.

                  2. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

                    J'accuse!

                    I recommend that Episiarch be required to watch all of the Planet of the Apes movies all at once. If he fails to do so in the next 48 hours, he has to watch the Marky Mark version.

                2. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

                  In the old days, they'd have dropped the ban hammer on him. We used to go all Planet of the Apes or, at least, one of the other Hestonian Apocalypse Trilogy every third thread or so.

            2. Ashlyn   14 years ago

              Here was me thinking orangutans were Librarians.

              1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

                Remedial Apes training all around!

              2. Episiarch   14 years ago

                NutraSweet is no orangutan; he's a lemur. All librarians are lemurs. Yeah, I said it.

                1. SugarFree   14 years ago

                  I am not a strepsirrhine primate, dammit! Arggh! [lemurrage]

                2. Jim   14 years ago

                  Much like Capt. Picard was turning into in the episode where everyone devolved. For some reason, the intelligent bald man began reverting to a lemur, whereas Riker turned into an aggressive, hulking brute. Go figure.

                  1. Tim   14 years ago

                    One of the most absurd episodes.

                    1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

                      I do have one universal recommendation to future Star Treks beyond "Avoid child characters." It's "Avoid de-evolution."

                    2. SugarFree   14 years ago

                      Avoid evolution as well. It'd like to brand "Evolution is not entelechy!" right on Rick Berman's asshole.

                3. highnumber   14 years ago

                  Did you just call the Librarian a monkey?

                  1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

                    Everyone is anti-book since the e-readers came out. This antibiblioism extends to hatred of librarians.

                  2. SugarFree   14 years ago

                    Lemurs are not monkeys. They are strepsirrhine primates. PWN'D!

                    1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

                      You would know.

              3. Brandybuck   14 years ago

                Ook! Ook!

          3. Hugh Akston   14 years ago

            Bobo/Pickles 2012!

            1. Chupacabra   14 years ago

              That is so racist!

          4. SIV   14 years ago

            I wouldn't send kids to the Human Party camp.

      3. Seer   14 years ago

        And then those Cylons will kill us instead.

  5. Marge Simpson   14 years ago

    Homer, do you ever think about the future?

  6. A Serious Charlton Heston   14 years ago

    IT'S A MADHOUSE! A MADHOUSE!!!!!!!

  7. Joe M   14 years ago

    I, for one, welcome our new humanized ape overlords.

    1. Joe M   14 years ago

      D'oh!

  8. Episiarch   14 years ago

    This seems suspiciously timed with Rise of the Planet of the Apes coming out.

    1. Kristen   14 years ago

      Ding ding ding ding!

    2. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

      They are running a viral (hate that word in marketing, incidentally) marketing campaign with videos of dangerous monkeys. The videos look quasi-real, so I suppose quasi-real science is possible, too.

      1. Episiarch   14 years ago

        Is Roddy McDowell in them? Is Roddy even alive still?

        1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

          Sadly, he's been dead for quite some time--since the late 90s. Which is why the idea of new Planet of the Apes movies is so silly.

        2. Virginia   14 years ago

          Roddy was in the original Fright Night too. Is Overboard coming out soon? One can dream.

    3. Nipplemancer   14 years ago

      Marky Mark is doing a prequel? Why did I not hear about this.

    4. A Serious Man   14 years ago

      At least it can't possibly be worse than the Mark Whalberg 2001 version...Right?

  9. AlmightyJB   14 years ago

    I fail to see significant change should this happen. The human race is just a bunch of hairless apes. If apes could talk, they would probably make more sense than most of congress.

    1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

      I wonder which party would get the chimp vote?

      1. Episiarch   14 years ago

        The Silly Party.

      2. AlmightyJB   14 years ago

        Well the hard working ones with the most bananas would probably be against banana redistribution. The ones who were too lazy to pick their own bananas would probably be for it.

        1. Chupacabra   14 years ago

          I, for one, for oppose subsidies to BIG BANANA.

          1. OO========D   14 years ago

            As am I.

    2. WTF   14 years ago

      If apes could talk, they would probably make more sense than most of congress.

      They already make more sense than congress. Give them a comfy tree and some fruit and they generally won't fuck with you.

      1. ipsl34ek   14 years ago

        Bonobos will. They fuck everything and everybody.

  10. Sparky   14 years ago

    So it's proven again that the only thing stopping animals from taking over the world is the fact that they aren't as smart as humans. They don't need weapons, they'll just fool everyone into a false sense of security with their cuddly cuteness.

  11. SugarFree   14 years ago

    Planet of the Apes

    2 oz Jamaican Rum
    1 oz. orange juice
    1 oz. pineapple juice
    .75 oz. Creme de Banana
    .5 oz. lime juice

    Shake with ice, and empty into a highball glass. Garnish with maraschino cherry and a banana slice.

    1. AlmightyJB   14 years ago

      That actually sounds pretty good. I have all that at home. Bet it would be good with vanilla vodka as well.

    2. A Serious Man   14 years ago

      Dude did you invent that? That sounds really good.

      1. SugarFree   14 years ago

        Nah, I first saw it on Sloshed. But it seems to be an original from Beachbum Barry's Glog Log.

    3. Mongo   14 years ago

      Another tortuous day of work reading delicious, online cocktail recipes.

    4. True Ape Version   14 years ago

      Garnish with maraschino cherry feces and a banana slice.

  12. GregorySmith3   14 years ago

    Scenario? What scenario? We already have an Ape-in-Chief in the White House. It's Planet of the Marxist Apes!

    Oh, before you accuse me of racism, google "Bush monkey."

    P.S. Stop loving Obama!

    1. Episiarch   14 years ago

      GREEGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    2. Nipplemancer   14 years ago

      Stay classy there Gregooo.

      1. GregorySmith3   14 years ago

        If you think I lack class, you should see the rantings and ravings of Rahm Emanuel. Or why not check out Obama saying "the police acted stupidly" after they arrested a black professor that was threatening them? Yup, our mulatto-in-chief is a real class act.

    3. Joe M   14 years ago

      Racist!

      1. GregorySmith3   14 years ago

        Caucasianphobe!

    4. WTF   14 years ago

      I was wondering how long it would take before an "We already have an ape in the Whitehouse" post.

      1. sevo   14 years ago

        'Bout 16 minutes.
        Would have been quicker, but Greg's a slow typist.

        1. WTF   14 years ago

          We all know Greg is slow, but we try to use the term "special'.

        2. GregorySmith3   14 years ago

          I type 40 word per minute+, a-hole.

          1. Sy   14 years ago

            "I type 40 word per minute+, a-hole.

            That's not something I'd admit, as a blogger. 40 word?

  13. Fist of Etiquette   14 years ago

    God damn you all to hell.

  14. rather   14 years ago

    if the apes aren't robots, I'm skipping this one

    1. rather   14 years ago

      Although I've heard chimps like peanut butter...

    2. Pip   14 years ago

      ZOMBIE APES!!!

  15. val   14 years ago

    "Scientists" warn, eh?

    From article the only person I could find complaning was a Prof. of PHILOSOPHY.

    He is about as "scientist" as a monkey chucking poop is Benjamin Franklin under the apple tree.

    1. JEP   14 years ago

      Isaac Newton?

      1. val   14 years ago

        lol, well count that one to a brain fart on my part, no better than that poop throwing monkey.

    2. CE   14 years ago

      It was a cherry tree, and Washington chopped it down, if I recall correctly.

    3. har   14 years ago

      a monkey chucking poop

      I've never seen a poop chuck a monkey.

  16. Another Isolated Incident   14 years ago

    Animal activist arrested

    An animal rights activist from Beverly was arrested by Salem police this week for refusing to turn over a dog she believed had been abused. Kim Hyder, 51, who was a national finalist in a "sexiest vegetarian" contest run by PETA, was arrested Tuesday night at the Hawthorne Building in downtown Salem, where she was teaching a children's acting class. A student brought a small dog to the class and told Hyder that he was taking care of it because, earlier that day, it had been kicked in the head and had a knife thrown at it.

    At the end of class, when the alleged abuser, a 10-year-old boy, and his older sister arrived to pick up the dog, Hyder refused to let it go. At one point, Hyder put out her arms and told police, "Arrest me, I'm not letting go," according to the police report.

    She was arrested, charged with disorderly conduct, handcuffed and booked at the police station. Nothing else happened.

    http://www.salemnews.com/local.....rotect-dog

    1. WTF   14 years ago

      Well, apes are certainly more intelligent than AII. And ape cops would probably be less dangerous than the goons we have now.

      1. Police Ape   14 years ago

        STOP RESISTING!!!!

      2. Sudden   14 years ago

        Throw poop, don't shoot.

    2. R C Dean   14 years ago

      Kim Hyder, 51, who was a national finalist in a "sexiest vegetarian" contest run by PETA,

      My gorge rose a little at that.

      1. Joe M   14 years ago

        See the photo I linked. Really quite attractive.

      2. PETA   14 years ago

        We nicknamed her "Cucumber".

    3. Joe M   14 years ago

      Would you shoot her?

      1. WTF   14 years ago

        Only if she was resisting.

      2. Scruffy Nerfherder   14 years ago

        Depends on the ammo I'm using

    4. Pip   14 years ago

      SF police shooting of wheelchair user questioned - SFGate

      http://articles.sfgate.com/201.....ting-taser

  17. Mongo   14 years ago

    Beneath the Planet of the Apes had A-bomb worshipping, veiny-skulled mutants who crucified apes, meaning the staff of The Weekly Standard will apparently survive the coming ape uprising.

    1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

      Hard not to like the mutants, though you'd think they'd have worshiped Taylor as someone from the bomb-making era.

    2. Average Neocon   14 years ago

      ALL HAIL THE KRISTOL! BOW BEFORE YOUR PHILOSOPHER KING!

  18. sloopyinca   14 years ago

    C'mon, people. I find it hard to believe that I'm the first one to say THIS belongs here.

    Embrace The Specials.

    1. sloopyinca   14 years ago
  19. proegg antichicken   14 years ago

    I like the viral marketing angle. These scare stories don't make sense to me. Why wouldn't you want to make human-ape hybrid creatures? The only warning is that it "goes too far". Okay. What is too far? There is no clear danger to monkeying around with DNA to make whatever we damn well please. Therefore, I'm much more satisfied writing this off as marketing.

    1. WTF   14 years ago

      I would be happy if my dog could talk. Then he could just fucking tell me what he wants instead of the nudging/whining/pawing while I try to guess.
      "What do you want, Gunther? "
      "I want to go outside and take a piss."
      "Okay."

      1. Bar Student   14 years ago

        I hear from a reputable source that if you smoke the right kind of weed you can talk to your dog. Careful though, they're supposedly quite smug and judgmental.

        1. proegg antichicken   14 years ago

          I think smug and judgmental is cats. Dogs strike me as stimulus bound and happy to the point of annoyance. We won't know until we try. All we have now is anthropomorphisms.

          1. Bar Student   14 years ago

            but but but the government told me that my dog doesn't like me smoking weed! They wouldn't lie!

      2. Lost_In_Translation   14 years ago

        If your dog could talk, he could also blackmail you. Think of that.

        You: Hi boy, how are you doing?
        WTF's dog: You smell like you've been to the porn shop. Give me a steak tonight.
        You: No, dogs don't get steak
        WTF's dog: Dog's that know their owner's dirty laundry get whatever the fuck they want!
        You: Want to go hunting boy?
        WTF's dog: Fuck you, I'm calling PETA.

        1. WTF   14 years ago

          LOL - okay, maybe it's better he can't talk.
          Dog: Mommy! You know what daddy's been up to?
          Me: Shut up, asshole!
          Dog: I'm sorry, did you say Prime Rib?

      3. Kristen   14 years ago

        Best not-quite-Superbowl ad ever.

      4. Sparky   14 years ago

        Apparently you missed that episode of Dexter's Laboratory where gave the power of speech to a dog.

        Dog: "There's a car, there's a car, there's a car, I want to get the car, there's a car, there's a car. Look, the moon, the moon, the moon, and more dogs, hey can you guys hear me? Can you guys hear me?"

        1. Clich? Bandit   14 years ago

          SQUIREL!!!

  20. proegg antichicken   14 years ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp76RCIvvQI

  21. Jeff P   14 years ago

    Do I get my own hot mute woman in a fur bikini?

    And they've never address what happened to the Mandrills...

    1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

      I believe that's in the Human Bill of Rights. Which is only two rights long--the Freedom to Serve Ape being first, and the second being the Freedom to Nova.

  22. Warty   14 years ago

    Got this from Urkobold: SPRING BREAK

    1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

      Oh, hey, thanks. Nice not to be the pimp for once.

      1. Warty   14 years ago

        I was quite disturbed to learn that joe hangs out there, though.

        1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

          He comments there every blue moon. I think he was disturbed by your presence as well. Maybe you should meet on the field of honor and cast feces at one another.

          1. Warty   14 years ago

            There's nothing honorable about my feces. Not anymore.

            1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

              We'll have them blessed by the Urkobold beforehand.

    2. proegg antichicken   14 years ago

      that was awesome

  23. Lord Humungus   14 years ago

    and the new Libertarian battle cry rose from the masses (of one):

    Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!

  24. NoVAHockey   14 years ago

    so exactly how many monkey butlers will there be?

    1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

      However many you need. I'm thinking like the number of robot servants the Solarians had in The Naked Sun.

    2. Lost_In_Translation   14 years ago

      Perhaps you missed the point of this link, Jeeves.

      1. Hugh Akston   14 years ago

        "Monkey butlers" can just as easily refer to 'butlers for monkeys' as it can 'monkeys as butlers.'

        So in answer to the question: six billion and counting. Though most of those will probably be eaten.

  25. Tim   14 years ago

    Monkeys, And I missed it. BLAST!

    1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

      Monkey threads never die.

  26. Seer   14 years ago

    It seems to me the Frankenstein "monster" is used inaccurately all over the place. The creature was as capable of humanity as anyone else, and that's what it really yearned for. It only went bad because society couldn't stand to look at it and shunned it. It was not an innately bad creature.

    1. proegg antichicken   14 years ago

      the real monster is us? boring.

    2. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

      It was socially ostracized so it killed and killed and killed yet again?

      1. Tim   14 years ago

        It was one of the earliest proponents of wind power.

    3. Pip   14 years ago

      Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: [to The Monster] Hello handsome. You're a good looking fellow, do you know that? People laugh at you, people hate you, but why do they hate you? Because... they are jealous. Look at that boyish face. Look at that sweet smile. Do you wanna talk about physical strength? Do you want to talk about sheer muscle? Do you want to talk about the Olympian ideal? You are a God. And listen to me, you are not evil. You... are... good.

  27. Mr. Mayday   14 years ago

    Once more, with love: I, for one, welcome our monkey overlords.

    1. Mr. Mayday   14 years ago

      Our tiger overlords cometh: http://bit.ly/nXE51x (Okay, I'm done now).

  28. Michael   14 years ago

    Eh, as long as they're like Bobo from MST3K, I'll be entertained.

  29. IceTrey   14 years ago

    That time is now!

    Ape with an AK

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2ZxC0qVHio

  30. Apple   14 years ago

    Are there enough Gorillas in the world to form an Army? I think they might have just enough for a decent sized, pissed-off mob.

    Of course, "Ghetto of the Apes" is still a movie I'd pay to see.

  31. Au H20   14 years ago

    SKINNER:Well, I was wrong. The lizards are a godsend.
    LISA: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?
    SKINNER: No problem. We simply unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
    LISA:But aren't the snakes even worse?
    SKINNER:Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.
    LISA:But then we're stuck with gorillas!
    SKINNER: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

  32. highnumber   14 years ago

    From the article:

    "If it's heading in that direction, red lights start flashing," said Prof Baldwin. "You really do not want to go down that road."

    Kinda seems like he's speaking from experience, dunnit?

    1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

      You know, I think you're right. What could've happened to him? The gorilla butler he grew up with turned on him and his family? Sounds like something personal to me.

  33. Snowbee   14 years ago

    I personally can't wait until there's something I'm actually encouraged to kill. A biofreak ani-monster outbreak seems more likely than the zombie invasion we've all been hoping for, so I'm content to compromise here.

  34. Colin Fraizer   14 years ago

    Get your stinking headlines off H&R, you damned, dirty scientists!

  35. CE   14 years ago

    Michael Crichton was ahead of the curve as usual. His novel Next, about talking human-animal hybrids came out five years ago.

  36. St?phane Dumas   14 years ago

    Doubtful then the folks of Planet of the Apes might like the visit of Spaceballs 😉 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9MxTRspXpQ

  37. Brian from Texas   14 years ago

    GET YOUR HANDS OFF ME YOU DAMN DIRTY APE!!!!!

    Sorry, couldn't resist.

  38. James Anderson Merritt   14 years ago

    Don't be hatin' on those who have only seen the Marky Mark version! Who here has read Pierre Boulle's original "Monkey Planet" novel? I read what I later realized was a rather bad translation into English, back in the 1970s. The book bears as much relationship to the Serling/Heston Planet of the Apes as that movie did to Burton/Marky Mark's. (Or as Heinlein's Starship Troopers did to the movie version, for that matter.)

    If you didn't read Boulle's original in French, you don't know from Apes.

    1. IceTrey   14 years ago

      DON'T GET ME STARTED ON STARSHIP TROOPER'S!

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