Selling Beer from a Cart in Portland Is Not Rocket Science
Nothing goes better with tacos than a cold beer, a fact that has not escaped Portland's many food cart owners. Several of the city's growing herd of food carts have requested permission to make that delicious, delicious dream a reality. But an editorial in this week's Oregonian actually uses the word "insurmountable" to describe the regulatory issues involved in getting those permissions:
The [Oregon Liquor Control Commission] has begun analyzing this request slowly, thoughtfully and carefully, as it should. The agency's first stop is the attorney general's office, to explore the legal ramifications of allowing food carts to serve alcohol.
And let's acknowledge that, at present, neither the city nor the state has much experience in this realm.
A wider, deeper exploration of what other states and cities do -- and don't do -- would be invaluable in guiding Oregon's policy direction. But our first response to the idea of food carts serving alcohol is overwhelmingly tilted in one direction: No, no, no.
There are two problems, as we see it, and not only do they seem insurmountable, but they also appear to be linked.
Seriously, Portland? I mean, a private company launched and retrieved a space capsule last week. Surely you can figure out this whole selling-beer-from-a-restaurant-with-wheels thing.
The editorial goes on to wrap together safety concerns—who will keep an eye on those taco-eating drunks without liquor control board-supervised training in the "50 signs of visible intoxication"?—with concerns about fairness to existing bricks-and-mortar businesses—"restaurants could gripe, quite legitimately, that the carts are undermining their businesses"—into one big juicy bullshit burrito.
Let's sing it one more time: Restaurant licenses (and/or liquor licenses) do not come with a guarantee of protection from competition. Nor should they. If a taco truck with a keg in it is killing your business, it sucks to be you. Time to step up your game, or get your own truck.
Via my favorite slightly soused Portlander Jacob Grier.
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What immeddiately comes to mind is that most Cities have laws forbidding the consumption of alcohol in public places, or possessing open containers of alcohol.
Both of which are stupid laws.
That's a separate argument.
No, no it isnt.
The [Oregon Liquor Control Commission] has begun analyzing this request slowly, thoughtfully and carefully, as it should.
Who says comedy is dead?
If a taco truck with a keg in it is killing your business
Leeches!
According to Pew, Oregon is another of our failed states. As Oregon's most populous city, Portland is ground zero.
We all know that you can't just let people sell things to people that they want, all willy-nilly. That would be anarchy.
And open container laws are bullshit. There, I feel better now.
Pro Lib is gonna be pissed that KMW is twisting the SpaceX knife like this.
Yeah, it's only worthy of mention to score points on other issues, not as its own post.
Err, she's the one that wrote an whole article on SpaceX.
After 3 days of prodding.
Well, maybe that's 'cause she was slowly, thoughtfully and carefully thinking about what to write.
It's Portland; are we really that surprised? This is in the state that won't let you physically pump your own gas, for fuck's sake.
Has NJ changed their law?
Not as far as I know.
Nope. Fueling up takes three times longer here than any neighboring state.
Open a gas station at the last exit before entering the state and make a killing. Kinda like fireworks places at the South Carolina / Georgia border
NJ's gas prices are tough to beat, even with full service.
At least compared to NY. I think PA is more expensive too.
PA is way more expensive, 10%-12% more.
Can someone explain to me WHY New Jersey has such cheap gas? I don't understand it. It seems to me that it ought to be more expensive than just about anywhere else, since gas stations would need to have more employees to pump the gas.
I'd guess the first thing to check is the level of state taxes added per gallon.
Yeah, state tax levels are the primary driver on differential gas prices.
NJ gas stations can be hilarious. Couple of years on the Turnpike, caused quite the consternation at the Walt Whitman service area when I actually got out of my 280ZX because the homeless guy they hired to pump gas couldn't understand a hood that hinged in the front (or a gas cap that took more than a quarter turn to loosen). I'm fairly certain some people were considering whether or not to call 911 when I actually checked my own oil, and added half a quart myself. The looks of confusion on their faces was apparently genuine.
Last January I was in Miami. The attendant at the gas station next to my hotel was explaining how to pump gas to a middle aged lady. Im assuming, as she didnt seem to be a complete retard, that she was from New Jersey and had never done it before.
I imagine it has something to do with the supply chain. Elizabeth is a major port and there are many refineries in New Jersey.
According to this http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/245.html NJ's per gallon tax is 14.5 cents while neighboring NY is 44.6 cents, PA is 32.3 cents, DE is 23 cents, CT is 41.9 cents, and MD is 23.3 cents.
Wow. That's quite a difference.
What would all the certified gas pumpers do though if you we just went all full anarachy on em overnight ?
Curl up and die to sad music, like the elephant man?
This is in the state that won't let you physically pump your own gas, for fuck's sake.
The high school dropouts can't all get jobs with the TSA.
Ice burn!!!
So one of their primary concerns is the possibility of drunks stumbling around downtown which is a problem Portland apparently doesn't suffer from at the moment. Is this correct?
One of their primary concerns is that people might enjoy themselves in Portland. You know what that leads to.
Frolicking? We'll have none of that, now.
It's worse than that. If the frolick standing up it might lead to dancing.
By forcing would be alcoholics to purchase beer in the grocery store as opposed to off a street vendor, the Oregon liquor control board is saving thousands, nay, tens of thousands of souls a year. Or some shit.
It really comes down to what kind of food you want to see reguritated on the sidewalk: a nice taco or a 7-11 Jalape?o Cream Cheese Taquito.
Obviously selling beer to somebody walking is far more dangerous than selling beer at a restaurant or bar that people had to drive to.
I mean, that's just common sense, right?
If you had read Superfreakonomics, you'd know that walking drunk is 8x more dangerous per mile than driving drunk.
"You'd better drive home. You're too drunk to walk."
Wait, which way does that work: 8x more dangerous to yourself, or to other people?
+1 on Michael's original comment. There are more drunks and bums ambling about downtown per capita than anywhere else I've lived - including New York & LA.
San Francisco's mission district might beat it... but not by much.
As a resident of New Orleans, I find it baffling that other cities prohibit the outdoor consumption of alcohol. Here, when we are ready to leave the bar, we pour our drinks into a plastic go cup and head on out the door.
That must be why crime in New Orleans is non-existent.
The violent crime in NOLA has nothing whatsoever to do with our open container laws. That you would even formulate that hypothesis speaks to your complete misunderstanding of our city's demographic and economic condition.
There's no room for drunks because of all the stoners.
Restaurant licenses (and/or liquor licenses) do not come with a guarantee of protection from competition.
Then why the fuck are they so expensive?
I formally up-mod this pithy and insightful comment.
"restaurants could gripe, quite legitimately, that the carts are undermining their businesses"
Damn you Edison!!!
Dame you Webster too, for mocking my spelling.
Brick and mortar places do have one legitimate gripe about cart & truck vendors: The former pay real estate taxes to support the sidewalks & roads that are the latter's place of business.
This is a fair point.
ROOOAAADS!
Interesting extension of the "but you use the roads" anti-libertarian argument. Should have worked Somalia in there somewhere too.
I'd guess it'd be easier opening a taco stand selling beer in Somalia than Portland. Oh, wait, we were supposed to be arguing against this, weren't we?
In Portland, you might get fined or thrown in the slammer for opening a taco stand selling beer.
In Somalia, you get executed.
I'm pretty sure that's just Somalia's equivalent to our individual mandate: except that the penalty for simply existing there is execution.
No they don't, their customers do. Besides which, the cart and truck vendors also pay those taxes, directly or indirectly.
Food truck vendors pay property taxes on their truck to support the sidwalks and roads.
Get off my sidewalk, you leeches!
OT: looks like Charles Rangel forgot one of his bags on a recent trip.
Medical examiner will determine the cause of death
Hmmm, what could it be?
Secondhand smoke exposure.
But I thought the whole purpose of government was rent seeking? If I'm going to pay that much for a god damn license, I had better get some rents in return.
Is that taco about to be served with a disgusting Pilsner? Blech!
Where is a zesty APA to go with that taco?
In Portland, I dont think finding an APA would be a problem.
Oregon is a strange mix of pretty scenery and prissy, paternalistic people. I've never been able to stand being in that state longer than it takes to drive through on I-5 on my way to the Puget Sound. The whole time I'm like, "Wow, it's really gorgeous here," and then I interact with a native. FFFFUUUUUU.
I've never mixed tacos and beer, although I am a huge fan of both individually. Is this really a good combo?
Only if you don't mind pissing out of your butt.
Only if you don't mind the taste of awesome.
Yeah, I'm going with Brett's take on this one.
Seriously, never had a beer with tacos? Have you only had tacos at T-Bell?
You know what goes well with Tacos? Vienna Lagers.
(Props to the three of you who understand that)
Mixing tacos and tequila is even better.
Soft-shells only. The hard shell bits become shrapnel to embed in your throat/mouth on the way back up.
There's a whole "war against the food carts" going on in Portland right now. If you so much as put plastic chairs outside for people to sit, you have to go through the whole inspection, working bathroom, permit process a brick and mortar place does. This is all just the well-connected getting the political goodies and shutting down competition.
You'd think all the rain would give indoor restaurants a natural, big advantage over food carts. I'm sure this whole mess is caused by global warming.
One of the things I miss about Prague was the ability to buy a hot dog and a beer from a street vendor and drink it publicly and openly.
Only our country has such stupid laws.
In Soviet U.S.A., beer drinks you!
No? I'll work on it and get back to you.
That's because Amerika is a free country.
Yeah. In Japan you can buy beer at any convenience store and walk the streets with it or even take it on the subway. Our country is absurdly puritannical about where and how you can drink alcohol.
One must be praguematic about such things.
Isn't Portland full of hipsters now? Maybe they can pressure the government to allow food carts to sell beer, as long as the stock is limited to PBR.
Portland has been full of fucking hipsters for a long time, and they are part of the problem, because hipsters overwhelmingly vote statist D, if they bother to vote at all.
"Keep Portland Weird."
Except in the case of liquor laws, where Portland needs to make sure it is restricting freedom to the same extent as every other state.
Do you guys pay Austin for renting their slogan?
I guess Portland's love affair with statism trumps its beer culture.
If we allow the sale of beer and tacos from street vendors, we'll be just like Somalia.
I think Portland would be better served addressing the mobile strip club issue.
They should use the Seattle model: drive through strip clubs with coffee.
Explanatory link. A Seems it was quite a scandal.
Anyone remember that phrase that we used to say back in the 70s? "It's a free country, brother".
Don't hear that one anymore.
Your right sucks more & more.