Further Cancun Update: Keep Talking About Kyoto Protocol and Set Up Green Climate Fund

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Cancun

The UNFCCC has just released its new negotiating texts. After going through it quickly, here are a few highlights:

(1) As far as I can tell, the COP has indeed kicked the Cancun down the road by agreeing that they "shall aim to complete" further commitments by rich countries to cut greenhouse gas emissions "as early as possible." They do include the saving phrase "and in time to ensure that there is no gap between the first and second commitment period." Translation: Additional cuts should be agreed to before 2012. The telling words are "shall aim to complete." No real promises here.

(2) The shared vision says that the parties set the goal of cutting greenhouse gas emissions "so as to hold the increase in global average temperature below 2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels…." The parties will think about trying to hold average temperature increase to 1.5 later after further scientific review in 2015.

(3) The shared vision drops the earlier text that would have required that the world cut greenhouse gas emissions by 50 percent and that developed countries cut their emissions by 80-95 percent by 2050. Instead, the parties will "work towards identifying a global goal for substantially reducing global emissions by 2050" and consider it at the next meeting in Durban.

(4) The shared vision also drops the proposal that global greenhouse gases should peak by 2015.

(5) The text also sets up a process for creating a system for accounting and monitoring of greenhouse gas emissions from developed countries. As far as I can tell from reading the rather opaque text, the U.S. has not been roped into a process that leads to legally binding emissions reduction commitments.

(6) China, India and other emerging countries also have not been roped into legally binding commitments, but if they take mitigation actions that are supported by outside money, those activities will be subject to some kind of international auditing. On the other, the world will have take their words for their domestically funded activities.

(7) The text also says that the parties decide to establish a Green Climate Fund under the authority of the Conference of the Parties with a board of directors consisting of 24 members, half of whom will be from rich countries and half from poor countries. The devloped country parties commit to "mobilizing jointly USD 100 billion per year by 2020 to address the needs of developing countries."

These are still negotiating texts and are probably the maximum that can be expected from the conference. The world now awaits the political spin.

Addendum: Bolivian ambassador Pablo Solon just denounced the draft text as a "Copenhagen Accord cut and paste." The COP process is that all decisions must be made by consensus. Solon wouldn't say if Bolivia would veto the agreement.

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  1. I’ve got an idea, Let’s ask some Danish fuck with no real scientific background what he thinks.

    1. Hi Max! Nice to see your pleasant cheerful disposition and insightful and informative comments!

    2. I don’t know about a Dane, but I get to enjoy the insightful climate change views of Evo Morales, the president of the Plurinational State of Bolivia in a few minutes.

      1. So how much does it cost to *avoid* listening to him?

      2. Commies are instant experts in all matters climatic, economic and moral.

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      3. Poverty keeps us pure!

    3. Why so angry?

      If you are so sure of your position, and are arguing based on reason, why the emotional eruption?

      You remind me of someone lashing out when challenged about their religious beliefs, or that statism is the cure for the world…but I repeat myself.

      1. Because that Dane has blown holes in Max’s fantasies with facts; no brain-dead likes THAT!

  2. “China, India and other emerging countries also have not been roped into legally binding commitments,”

    Ahh, so the very places where they make almost everything we buy nowadays don’t have to play ball.

  3. Max: Please go enjoy your weekend.

    1. So get a science degree, asshole.

      1. Max: Like I said, enjoy your weekend.

      2. Max: Like I said, enjoy your weekend.

        1. You repeat yourself. Enjoy your weekend too, Ron.

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            1. Damn. Glad I penned that.

      3. Max, from the highly educated nature of your commentary we can only assume that you have and advanced degree in a scientific field. From what Ivy League or prestigious European institution did you earn your science degree? And what is your specialty?

        1. The text also says that the parties decide to establish a Green Climate Fund under the authority of the Conference of the Parties with a board of directors consisting of 24 members, half of whom will be from rich countries and half from poor countries. The devloped country parties commit to “mobilizing jointly USD 100 billion per year by 2020 to address the needs of developing countries.”

          Gee, that doesn’t sound like wealth transfer or anything like that

          1. Gahhhhh!!!

            I beginning to hate threaded comments

            1. Corduroy, I understand. They can be frustrating. A mistake I sometimes mistake is posting a comment at the bottom I intended as a reply to someone else. This looks like the opposite mistake. ‘Sokay, don’t feel bad. We have all done it.

          2. At least they don’t have a committee of 535, like we do.

  4. How about some mention about how Cancun is currently experiencing record-low temperatures?

    1. I second the motion. The motion is now on the floor.

    2. Colin: I am too aware of those low temperatures.

  5. These are still negotiating texts and are probably the maximum that can be expected from the conference.

    “Maximum”, eh?

    BTW, Ron, how are these UNFCCCers paid?

  6. Not bad.
    Gridlock in Cancun to match the gridlock in DC.
    Happy Holidays!

  7. Climate delegates sign petitions to ban water, derail US economy:
    http://www.theblaze.com/storie…..s-economy/

    1. 99.4% of all murderers consumed DHMO in the 48 hour before they committed the murder!

  8. As far as government “solutions” go, this isn’t all that bad. I mean, if wealthy nations had to donate 100 billion a year to developing nations, and those developing nations recognized that we want to know where that money goes, would that be the end of the world? It would probably be the least bothersome government action in history.

    I know, I know, you’re probably wondering about the mandates that we cut emissions. I don’t think that any country will seriously be held accountable for such things. We could probably implement a net zero carbon tax, plus a small, additional carbon tax to raise revenue for some small amount of green tech research.

    This is about as much as I’m willing to give to the watermelon agenda. Anything more drastic would have serious, negative effects. In fact, more serious proposals would probably never get past the planning stages since countries tend to agree on very little.

    1. “I mean, if wealthy nations had to donate 100 billion a year to developing nations, and those developing nations recognized that we want to know where that money goes, would that be the end of the world?”
      The problem here is that “wealthy nations” probably = the US. Have you seen how “wealthy” the EU is after bailing out Greece and Ireland? And that’s just the low-end start.
      And you’ll notice, if you want to look, which “wealthy nations” actually provide for any sort of defense. To save you the time, the EU simply free-rides on the US defense budget.
      Any reason to think it’ll be different here? I can’t see any.
      The saving grace is that the $100Bn is likely every bit as definitive as the “shall aim…” and “will think about trying…” clauses.

      1. Have you seen how “wealthy” the EU is after bailing out Greece and Ireland?

        Wait until you see how “wealthy” the US is after it bails out CA, NJ, and so on.

      2. Lol, that’s true, but I’m sure that the europeans will fell sufficiently obligated to donate their fair share to the fund. Am I really just being naive? I’m not saying that this is a great situation, just that it isn’t the worst situation.

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  10. If all they come up with are high sounding platitudes that are ultimately no more than diplo-drivel, but ultimately have no impact on anything whatsoever except for availability of airline seats and hotel rooms at the sites of further conferences on the planned dates for them, then I think that’s about the best we can hope for out of this bunch of rent seeking chuckleheads.

    1. Of course, on the downside, the mere fact that they will continue to have further international conferences over what is ever more apparently over-hyped bullshit, instead of being tarred and feathered for the damage they’ve done to the overall credibility of science in general will no doubt be heralded as the general success (for them, not for the rest of humanity) that it actually is.

  11. Whatever, I’ve been drinking and the Benson Interruption is on.

  12. Can we simply ignore these eco-crazies from now on? I’d rather contribute to the next Ron Bailey’s tropical vacation directly, without hearing about completely irrelevant international “agreements.” Plus, Bailey wouldn’t have to suffer from the Gore effect.

  13. INDIA PROPOSING LEGALLY BINDING EMISSION CURBS AT CANCUN:
    What these buggers agree to is what their C.I.A. masters dictate and how many hundreds of millions of dollars bribe the C.I.A. gives them. India cannot “enforce”anything on the U.S. but this will give the U.S. another pretext to invade and subjugate India. Until the per capita emissions of the U.S. come down to India’s level, India should not make any commitments of any kind. India must demand, for example, that SUV’s be banned in the U.S. and India should reserve the right to invade the U.S. to enforce the ban. I am India’s expert in strategic defence and the father of India’s strategic program including the Integrated Guided Missile Development Program. In my blog titled ‘Nuclear Supremacy for India Over U.S.’, which can be found by a Yahoo search with the title, I have shown how India can have the military and economic strength to start doing this to the U.S. immediately, not just in environmental issues but in all areas. This move on the part of the U.S. is meant to throttle India’s economic and military strength. As I have shown in my blog, this will not be allowed and nor will numerous other things these buggers have agreed to which grievously injure India. It will require the nuclear destruction of New Delhi followed by the coast-to-coast destruction of the U.S. by India with 10,000 thermonuclear warheads and extermination of its population. This is the only thing — extermination of the United States’ population by India — whose environmental effects matter. For one thing, it will end all emissions generated now by the U.S. population. This so-called conference takes no account of this all-important factor and is, therefore, worthless.
    As I have shown in my blog, after British rule, India has been under C.I.A. rule. This government has no legitimacy and no agreements it makes will bind India in any way.
    This ‘legally-binding’ commitment by India regarding emissions has been pushed by the U.S. in support of the nuclear deal which fatally injures India’s defence and economically loots it in numerous ways; see my blog. The U.S. is saying that if you use coal to generate electricity instead of buying nuclear reactors from us — which, besides looting India, cripple its nuclear weapons program, we will invade you and enforce this. As I have said (see my blog), this requires the nuclear destruction of New Delhi and then the coast-to-coast destruction of the United States by India.
    This ‘legally-binding commitment’ offer from India was pre-arranged by the United States with Jairam Ramesh and Manmohan Singh (several days before the conference, after I wrote that the combined population of the 28 white countries in NATO, which assert a right to invade and occupy the Indian subcontinent — that is, India — at will, does not equal India’s and India must refrain from touching them or sitting near them or at the same level with them militarily or economically and my blog above shows how India can start doing this immediately, the United States said India can play a very important role at the Cancun conference, that is, propose this ‘legally binding’ commitment as a proxy for the United States because, first and foremost, it cuts India’s own throat and gives the United States a pretext to invade India if it does not accept the slavery of the nuclear deal) but was kept secret even from the Indian delegation to pre-empt any opposition to it in India and spring it as a surprise and a fait accompli. This is treason of the most brazen kind. Satish Chandra

  14. The delegates agreed to meet again in another 5 star resort and spend lots of money enjoying the perks of appearing to confront the problem.
    http://www.pathtoasia.com/jobs/

  15. BORING
    let’s discuss the libertarian view of incest, when both are ADULTS:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..94864.html

    If your not going to have kids, I’m ok with it. Its icky, but hey, people eat lima beans.

    1. While, I personally find it wrong, I agree that the state should not get involved. But a perhaps equally controversial idea that perhaps should be considered is this concept that was explored by the Oneida people. According to the “always reliable” Wikipedia : “Postmenopausal women were encouraged to introduce teenage males to sex, providing both with legitimate partners that rarely resulted in pregnancies. Furthermore, these women became religious role models for the young men. Likewise, older men often introduced young women to sex. Noyes often used his own judgment in determining the partnerships which would form and would often encourage relationships between the non-devout and the devout in the community, in the hopes that the attitudes and behaviors of the devout would influence the non-devout.”

      This could actually solve a great many problems. The only problem with it is that we still have some vestiges of puritanism in our society.

      1. Just to be clear I am not being serious.

      2. “Some” vestiges of puritanism?

  16. Isn’t #7 a complete disaster? 100 billion a year direct wealth transfer from the people of the first world to the crooks of the third? Is this a deal where they dejectedly say it was a failure but actually did yoke us into a big screwover?

    1. Getting millions of dollars for your Swiss Bank account certainly isn’t a “failure”.

  17. Did we vote for any of these guys planning to spend 100 billion/year of our money?

    1. Well, a buncj of people voted for one of them – but he had a Christmas Party to get to, so he ducked out and left Bill Clinton in charge.

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