"You Can Have Either Sex or Immortality"
That's the conundrum posed by an article over at the transhumanist H+ magazine on using calorie restriction (CR) to increase human lifespans. A lot of research finds that feeding some critters, like worms, flies, and lab mice, about two-thirds of what they would otherwise prefer to eat dramatically increases their lifespans. The idea is that this mechanism evolved as a way to keep individuals alive through lean times until they could reproduce once food is again available. So it's not too surprising that starving animals have less interest in sex.
The article in H+ suggests that many human practitioners of calorie restriction also suffer from shrunken libidos. Worse yet, perhaps permanent starvation will not actually increase the lifespans of practitioners:
So what about those glowing reports which purport to have demonstrated that caloric restriction doubles the lifespans of mice and rhesus monkeys, as well as giving them glossy pelts? Surely we can put up with a bit of mental confusion, even failing erections, in exchange for a longer life, as long as it's of high quality –- otherwise we'll end up like poor Tithonus, who was granted immortality but not youth and dwindled into a shriveled husk before the gods in their whimsical mercy turned him into a cicada. And it does seem that caloric restriction decreases such banes of extended human lifespan as diabetes and atherosclerosis. Well, there's something interesting going on, all right, but not what people (like to) think.
In biology, details are crucial and mice are not humans. In Eldorado Desperadoes I: Of Mice and Men [See Resources], I explained at length why non-human studies are proof of principle at best, irrelevant at worst. Laboratory mice and monkeys are bred to reproduce early and rapidly. They're fed rich diets and lead inactive lives –- the equivalent of couch potatoes. The caloric restriction studies have essentially returned the animals to the normal levels of nutrition that they would attain in the wild. Indeed, caloric restriction of wild mice does not extend their lives and when caloric levels fall below about 50%, both lab and wild mice promptly keel over,…. In the rhesus studies, lifespans appeared extended only when the investigators counted a subset of the deaths in the animal group they tested.
So what about calorie restriction and sex? Combing through the research literature, I came across an article in the journal of Manhattan studies, New York magazine, that addressed this topic:
"Before CR, I was, if anything, hornier than most men," says Michael [a calorie restrictor]. "But some people find that when they go on very severe CR, their classic male libido—that sort of aaaargh-there's-a-pretty-woman-I-can't-stop-my-neck-from-moving libido—goes down." And Michael, it turns out, is one of those people.
"I've often thought that if you could explain to women that on CR, men will improve their sexual performance but decrease their skirt-chasing behavior so they only have eyes for you, who they're in love with, women would be like, 'I'm cutting your calories, honey. Half your dinner tomorrow,'" April [Michael's calorie restrictor wife] resumes.
Damn it! Why does everything have to be a trade-off?
For the skinny on CR, check out the H+ article here and the New York article on extreme CR here.
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Everything that makes you live longer, makes your life unliveable.
Oh well, I guess the good news is that the increase in anorexic men will mean more women for normal men.
Before CR, I was, if anything, hornier than most men," says Michael...
Of course you were, just like all the Slate writers are "fact mongers." Yawn....
I bet April is fat.
Wow, You mean I can live forever as a skinny old man on a near starvation diet who hasn't been laid in a few decades? Gee where do I sign up?
I really don't get this mentality. There are reasons to live healthy and not be a slob. You feel better. Your quality of life is better as you get older. You don't want to be some 300 lbs slob your whole life. When you are 60 and facing a knee replacement and type II diabetes, life sucks. But, what kind of sick fuck would starve themselves so that rather than living the typical 80 or 85 years, they can live 100. I mean seriously, is the quality of life between 80 and 100 good enough to justify a lifetime of deprivation? These people are like retarded monks. At least monks are doing it for the next life.
These people are like retarded monks.
The smart monks at lease learned to make beer and become giant fatasses from it. These people are morons.
Arrrrgh, I john'd.
And there's a significant chance that you're just going to get some kind of cancer and die anyway, despite your self-deprivation. Imagine getting that diagnosis after 30 years of not eating.
Matt2,
Or dropping dead of a heart attack. One my best friend's dad was an airforce and airline pilot for 30 years. Guy spent his whole life in great shape and was subject to an ungodly number of physicals every year. He walked into his shower one day and dropped over dead of a massive heart attack. Some people's heart's just are not cut out to run for 100 years no matter what they do.
It is an evil cycle. I am not getting laid. Warty rebuffed me. So I am depressed, so I don't eat, so I live longer, but can't get a hard on, so I get depressed....
Jesus Troy, who does Warty ever rebuff?
Troy, you could always try castration. Plus, you'll never go bald.
Sex, or a longer life? Let me think for a min- ok, sex.
I've got longevity genes AND hair genes, though, so i'll be getting it on while sporting an amazing 'do well into my 90s.
John, you sound like a girl complaining that another girl is "too thin" and "she may be thin but she pukes up all her food and doesn't enjoy it". And Warty, you sound like the horrible, raping Steve Smith analogue that you are. Troy, you just sound pathetic.
I seldom rape Steve Smith.
In all things, moderation. Except sex.
Epi,
I think girls who binge and purge are nuts to.
I think the real question is whether Warty is grossly corpulent or skeletally thin.
Epi, Warty swallows a wildebeest whole about once a month, so it depends on when you catch him during the digestive cycle.
I'm not sure how this Warty-as-omnisexual meme got started, but it's not worth stopping. So let's say I resemble Hedonism Bot.
I think girls who binge and purge are nuts to.
Is this one of the vanishingly rare Johnisms that are unintentionally grammatically correct?
Damn it! Why does everything have to be a trade-off?
The drawback of old age is that one becomes too stupid to understand the world one lives in, and therefore killing oneself would actually be beneficial to the species. Unfortunately, the same stupidity prevents the old from realizing that they are worthless ballast.
The majority of mankind's current problems are the result of parasitic gerontocracy.
Xeones, Warty would like to commission you to write a holophonor opera for him.
You just relax, honey. But first we gotta get you out of this burka.
I recall a study that showed slightly overweight rats lived longer than average rats.
Plus, you'll never go bald.
Jesus Warty, I am bald. Didn't you notice? NO, you were to busy thinking of someone else. Probably thinking of that Steve Smith guy. ....sigh......
Good God, publishing this info should be considered a crime against humanity (well, at least half of it).
'Honey, no you can't have foods that taste good because they have calories and you might actually want to have sex with me. Heaven forbid because sex is icky!'
Sex, I choose you!
"You Can Have Either Sex or Immortality"
Is Transhumanism the new Catholicism? You heard it here first.
Surely we can put up with a bit of mental confusion, even failing erections, in exchange for a longer life, as long as it's of high quality...
This is an oxymoron.
DOES MASTURBATION COUNT?
I'm coming at this from a different perspective - I'm a health nut (that is I eat healthy and exercise, so maybe not a nut) partially because I do want to live longer.
I think the more important point of this post is that they're not even really sure calorie restriction extends life anyway.
There are so many other ways to extend your life and increase your health, and still have your calories, sex, and happiness. In fact, I think sex and nutritious food will probably make you live longer than going without them.
1) Drudge headline: Sex Makes You a Better Athlete
2) Not eating didn't work for Steve Jobs... But being a billionaire did.
Immortality is over-rated. Sex, not so much.
Oh, yes, I almost forgot.
Actually, and I don't know that this is completely indisputable, but ...
There has been some research lately into a substance called 'resveratol', which supposedly activates the gene responsible for lengthening life under calorie restriction. It worked in mice fed heavy doses of resveratol. It's available as a "herbal" supplement cause it hasn't been FDA approved, but probably not in doses consistent with the studies.
At this point, there is research underway to determine exactly what the correct dose is, as well as find out about any side effects (would you still feel decreased libido?). But it does suggest you can get the lifespan extension without the calorie restriction.
Is this why all the concentration camp survivors live so long?
Neat article, reminds me of a article about feast and famine and genetic memory a while back and how they linked it to diabetics and generational linking of the gene set that mutated during a feast famine disparage from years through. And I like the reference to "Of mice and men" I read that as a book in school a long time ago. Now if we could just understand better, the genetic memory encoded in the folding and bundling of protein chains for the right chemical expressions to be further translated out. Also genetic imprinting for genetic memory or physical therapy and replacement, or even genetic imprinting for cognitive construction and such. Protein folding and chemical docking, Where is my memory enhancement going to come from first? Just 2 cents for the kettle
I have read plenty of books on reduced caloric intake and its affects on the extending life. Being in the Health and Nutrition field and doing a lot of my own reading I have a hard time coming to the same conclusions, but four thing I know is the body does funny things when faced with challenges. Interesting reading.
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I have read plenty of books on reduced caloric intake and its affects on the extending life. Being in the Health and Nutrition field and doing a lot of my own reading I have a hard time coming to the same conclusions, but four thing I know is the body does funny things when faced with challenges. Interesting reading.
I have read plenty of books on reduced caloric intake and its affects on the extending life. Being in the Health and Nutrition field and doing a lot of my own reading I have a hard time coming to the same conclusions, but four thing I know is the body does funny things when faced with challenges. Interesting reading.
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I have read plenty of books on reduced caloric intake and its affects on the extending life. Being in the Health and Nutrition field and doing a lot of my own reading I have a hard time coming to the same conclusions, but four thing I know is the body does funny things when faced with challenges. Interesting reading.
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I have read plenty of books on reduced caloric intake and its affects on the extending life. Being in the Health and Nutrition field and doing a lot of my own reading I have a hard time coming to the same conclusions, but four thing I know is the body does funny things when faced with challenges. Interesting reading.
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