Ayn Rand and the Celebrities that Love Her
Mother Jones highlights a few "celebrity fans of the cult of selfishness." Christina Ricci? Eva Mendes? Who knew. Here are a few:
Angelina Jolie: "I just think [Ayn Rand] has a very interesting philosophy…You reevaluate your own life and what's important to you."
Christina Ricci: "My favorite book is The Fountainhead…I relate to it because of the idea that you're not a bad person if you don't love everyone."
Vince Vaughn: "The last book I read was the book I've been rereading most of my life—The Fountainhead."
Rob Lowe: "Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand is a stupendous achievement and I just adore it."
Eva Mendes: Any potential boyfriend "has to be an Ayn Rand fan."
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Christina Ricci likes Ayn Rand? My fantasies just got even better.
I relate to it because of the idea that you're not a bad person if you don't love everyone.
I love her, but that's got to be the strangest takeaway I've ever heard.
Not at all. It is a central theme. Rand said something about the world drowning in an "orgy of self-sacrifice", ie., everyone else is more important than yourself. We are bombarded with the idea that it is virtuous to love everyone equally.
Here's a good quote (assuming MJ got it right):
'Mark Cuban: "I don't know how many times I have read [The Fountainhead], but it got to the point where I had to stop because I would get too fired up."'
Any scene in particular, Mr. Cuban?
Narcissistic celebrities into Ayn Rand? Unbelievable!
It's a fair cop.
I'll have a slice with not so much rat in it.
Vince Vaughn also blurbed Ron Paul's upcoming anti-Fed book. (So did Arlo Guthrie, who I strongly suspect is not an Ayn Rand fan, but who knows?)
Does this mean they all have detailed rape fantasies?
You can keep your fucking ugly retard, Gweneth Paltrow, moonbats. Eva Mendes, holy shit, you can't ask for better than that.
That's one point for me!
One can hope.
*ducks*
That's exactly the answer I was looking for, Franklin.
Does this mean they all have detailed rape fantasies?
So long as it doesn't have to take place in a boring little lodge in the Catskills, I'm game.
Just beware celebrities who claim to like Ayn Rand or a book of hers.
More likely than not, many if not most of them, do not understand, let alone even accept, objectivism as a philosophy.
Unless they are talking about Atlas Shrugged, because that book beats you silly with objectivism.
Most probably just want to seem well-read and differentiate themselves from other celebrities.
Still small victories...
Eva Mendes into Rand eh... Could the woman possibly be any hotter?
Other famous Randroids include: Tom Arnold, Al Sharpton, Rosie O'Donnell, and John Wayne Gacy.
there is no way Sharpton is a Randroid.
Christina Ricci likes Ayn Rand? My fantasies just got even better.
I concur with the above statement.
Rosie O'Donnell
Bull-fucking-dyke shit, LoneWacko. That's 520 pounds of pure Stalinist hate.
It is only a matter of time before I am more popular than Rand.
My plan is to send everyone in the USA (legals only!) a picture of me blowing myself.
This should easily make me more beloved than Rand.
More likely than not, many if not most of them, do not understand, let alone even accept, objectivism as a philosophy.
Right. They are just atheists that have affairs with married men.
+1++
My plan is to send everyone in the USA (legals only!) a picture of me blowing myself.
Probably be the best piece of ass you've ever had. Probably be the only peice of ass you've ever had. 😉
Brad Pitt: The Fountainhead "is so dense and complex, it would have to be a six-hour movie."
Probably didn't read the book, definitely didn't see the movie.
Hugh Hefner: The Fountainhead "is a compelling tribute to man's quest for personal freedom."
Fuck yes. From the Horse's mouth. If the Hef approves, that's enough for me.
Rosie O'Donnell, Tom Arnold, Rick Astley, you can even throw Oprah's wild growth snatch hair into the mix, Wacko,
Eva Fucking Mendes, that's a bullet proof win, baby!
Eva Mendes? I knew there was something I liked about her.
"Christina Ricci likes Ayn Rand? My fantasies just got even better."
'I concur with the above statement.'
Christina Ricci's hand trembled as she gently raised the latch on Ayn Rand's apartment door in response to the novelist's brusque 'come in!'
Inside, Ricci saw Rand sprawled on the sofa of her living room.
'Come closer,' said Rand, 'und let me look at you.'
Timidly, Ricci went up to the sofa and sat down. Rand put her arm around Ricci's shoulders.
'So,' said Rand, 'you haf been readink my works?'
'Yes,' gasped Ricci breathlessly. 'I read Atlas Shrugged and the Fountainhead and Anthem and the Virtue of Selfishness and . . .'
'Vy did you like zem?' Rand pressed, squeezing Ricci tighter and leaning her face closer, so that the lighted tip of her cigarette almost scorched Ricci's nose hairs.
'Well,' Ricci stammered, 'I suppose the best thing about your books is that they taught me that you're not a bad person if you don't love everyone.'
Rand stared intently at her. 'Not everyone? Zen who *do* you love?'
'You, of course,' said Ricci.
'Of course, of course,' said Rand, 'zat is a given. Anyone who truly understands my works must love me. But is there anyone else you love? Besides me?'
'My boyfriends, I guess,' said Ricci, 'and of course my fans.'
'Your fans!' Rand bellowed, leaping up from the sofa and belting Ricci across the face with a backhand slap. 'Your fans! Pathetic second-handers who do not understand you, and you love them! For this deviation, you must be punished . . .'
Then I wake up screaming, and the fantasy ends. Was it that way with you?
I see that Jesse Walker is here, so:
1. Is the person who posted using my name and URL pretending to be me (in the second comment on this page; the first is from me) located in Texas? Why do you allow things like that to continue, Jesse? Has Reason checked with their lawyers vis-a-vis liability?
2. I previously issued a challenge to you to debate me on my coverage of the Obama citizenship issue. I can probably set aside some time to discuss that over YIM or the like sometime within the next several days. Note: I'm only willing to discuss my coverage; I can't answer for what others have said about this issue. The email associated with this message works. The only requirement I make is that Reason must post the full transcript of the debate.
Shut the fuck up, Lonewacko.
24ahead:
Eva Mendes is a Mexican, so hands off.
The Vince Vaughn who blurbed RP's book is probably the OTHER Vince Vaughn. The one who is best friends with Jon Favreau, Obama's speechwriter.
Was it that way with you?
Basically, but the part of Ayn Rand was played by my penis.
Lonewacko: Sorry, but I'm not interested in joining one of your self-promotion schemes.
According to Wikipedia Eva Mendes supported Obama for president. Sorry to bust your fantasies.
Jesse, just go ahead and say it. You know you want to.
Wacko is at the bat, he swings his cock annnnnd --
1. Is the person who posted using my name and URL pretending to be me (in the second comment on this page; the first is from me) located in Texas? Why do you allow things like that to continue, Jesse? Has Reason checked with their lawyers vis-a-vis liability?
He misses!
Best laugh I have had this week.
I will accept the debate challenge! I will need a whole broiler, two tubs of lite whip cream, two cans of arousal whip cream, a goat, handcuffs, some cream cheese, a spool of thread, a case of red bull, two silk neckties, and one spatula.
Then it's on!!
Hmm - do you mean arousal whipped cream as in flavored non-dairy sex substitutes or aerosol whipped cream as in Redi-Whip. I need verification for the visualization. I've worked in both a porno shop and a dairy farm so i know the differences all too well.
Maybe Hmm meant the "whipped cream" Lonewacko makes when he gets aroused.
Only *one* spatula?
only one handle fits in his mouth. his hands are for fisting. the whipped cream is for a little bit of theatrical flair. kinda like when david copperfeild makes claudia schiffer's clittoris disappear and reappear on the lincoln memorial as lincoln's mole.
And if he did mean "aerosol," that could be the greatest incidence of RC'z Law ever.
OMG fail on te spellage and typage.
I told you all it aint easy keeping this much stoopid under control.
Why wouldn't the most narcissistic group in American society be into Ayn Rand?
what can I say I was aroused.
Brad Pitt: The Fountainhead "is so dense and complex, it would have to be a six-hour movie."
Probably didn't read the book, definitely didn't see the movie.
I can almost guarantee he did. For a while, an Atlas Shrugged movie with Brad as John Galt and Angelina Jolie as Dagny was supposedly in pre-production - say what you will about their egos, I really think they wanted to make it happen.
1. Is the person who posted using my name and URL pretending to be me (in the second comment on this page; the first is from me) located in Texas? Why do you allow things like that to continue, Jesse? Has Reason checked with their lawyers vis-a-vis liability?
Lonewhacko actually has a point here. Although the URL was correct, the post was definitely not him, as evidenced by the fact that people read it, and it failed to mention his two favorite aphrodisiacs: his (wholly imagined) feud with Jesse Walker, and sock puppets.
Therefore, I submit that anyone using Lonewhacko's name to impersonate him mockingly be required to do so under the moniker $24ForheadDotCom, which is always what I think it says anyway.
Hilarious: Jesse Walker's blog gets 18 visits per day. I'll bet the Lonewacko Wiki gets more than that.
But, it's sad that Walker doesn't want to help one of my "promotion" schemes. Because, I'm sure that's the only thing he's worried about: helping my self promotion. If not for that, he'd jump at the opportunity. Have no doubt, he's only concerned about not helping me promote myself. Yes, assuredly, that's it.
I don't think he has the marketing department you have.
I told ya. A wicked good debate is one spatula and a little whip cream away.
Once you've got the spatula and the whipped cream, what's there to debate?
Oh there will be debate. If you know what I mean.
Isn't Angelina Jolie the daughter of John Voit?
Voit is supposedly a big-time conservative. I don't know if it's libertarian-conservative or social conservative or a mixture.
Boosh!
Using my advanced knowledge of human psychology, I'll hazard a guess that Jesse Walker might also be reluctant to waste a lot of time arguing with someone who has proven on multiple occasions to be a self-aggrandizing, monomaniacal clod.
Mad Max,
Does your Catholicism-based sense of propriety often ruin the end of your fantasies?
Lonewacko: Oh, it's not just my reluctance to assist your relentless self-pimping. I also don't care enough about the topic. If I didn't want to make the case against birtherism in an article that was about the birthers, and which I wrote as part of my job, why would I want to do it in an extramural debate?
There's also your notorious reading comprehension problems and your inability to honestly engage your opponents' arguments. I prefer to debate people who'll do me the courtesy of replying to the statements I actually make, not the private scripts in their heads.
Finally, I think it's kind of silly to get a "challenge" from someone who has repeatedly refused to answer a trio of simple questions I first posed to him six months ago. You don't get to issue new challenges, Chris. Not when you've still got unattended business on your desk.
I wonder if anyone here has ever read this from Rand herself...
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/libertarians.html
Yeah, what Jesse said.
SusanM,
Yes, I read it a long time ago, and I'm sure I'm not the only one around here.
But history shows that with rare exceptions, philosophers make poor politicians and vice versa.
Much as I've liked Rand's philosophy, some of her "hands on" ideas about politics have holes big enough to drive a Mac truck through.
Ms Rand, the person she, herself, who that she was -- was in fact further from omnipotence than she might have cared to believe.
It was Rand who said that people may only deal with each other by persuasion or force, by rational debate or the blade of a spatula.
Or something like that. Anyway, when it came to sex nobody ever accused Rand of debating.
Mad Max, lest you think I'm trolling you, there's supposed to be a winking emoticon at the end of my last post. I forgot to type it.
Also, re: Lonewacko: what Jesse said.
"Once you've got the spatula and the whipped cream, what's there to debate?"
So that was Ayn Rand with the big bowl in Devo's video for "Whip It?" I've often thought it was her...
While I think the basic premise of Objectivism fails both practically and philosophically (almost every objective morality depends on a number of axioms), I find many of its maxims refreshing and intellectually stimulating.
I do cite Virtue of Selfishness as one of my favorite books as she wonderfully supports individualism and rational self-interest.
Though I'm somewhat skeptical of these celebrities' claims. I think they're probably just saying to look smart. Rand is en vogue now (I think a Fountainhead movie is coming out next year) and they're jumping on the bandwagon. Hollywood is a place of fads and like women's shoulder pads, I imagine Rand won't be so popular there forever.
Here's an article about Rand for anyone who is interested:
Rand's Uotpia
strike through16 years agoShouldn't there be a special children's table here for Ayn Rand discussions? There could be little toys for the easily distracted, Kool-Aid and cookies, some nap mats close by.
We hate when celebrities get involved with politics, except when we don't.
We hate when celebrities get involved with politics literature and philosophy, except when we don't they're Paris Hilton.
FTFY
On a non-ironic note, love that Art Decolicious cover art (even though I've seen it several times before).
Brad Pitt is unaware that The Fountainhead was made into a movie.
strike through16 years agoFrom the Kathy Young article, wherein she swings and misses with shocking persistency, there is however this perceptive nugget:
"In her insistence that political philosophy must be based on a proper epistemology, she rejected the libertarian movement, which embraced a wide variety of reasons for advocating free markets and free minds, as among her enemies."
Those libertarians, like unloved children, have despised her ever since, for despising them.
And I thought I was a slow reader, hyuk hyuk.
DISCLAIMER: My last comment only makes sense if you missed the "re" on rereading in the first comment. I only noticed the "re" on the third reading.
'Mad Max, lest you think I'm trolling you, there's supposed to be a winking emoticon at the end of my last post. I forgot to type it.'
Whew, for a second there I thought you hadn't gotten the point of my joke. 🙂
I simply have trouble imagine how Ayn Rand could fit into an erotic fantasy. Maybe I'm too strait-laced to see the potential.
"...You reevaluate your own life and what's important to you."
Yes, Jolie is such a follower of Ayn Rand that she:
-was named a UNHCR Goodwill Ambassador
-has donated millions to relief organizations
-met with members of congress at least 20 times over humanitarian issues
-Founded the National Center for Refugee and Immigrant Children
-filmed an MTV special, The Diary Of Angelina Jolie & Dr. Jeffrey Sachs in Africa, portraying her and statist economist Dr. Jeffrey Sachs on a trip to a remote group of villages in Western Kenya.
-announced the founding of the Jolie/Pitt Foundation which made initial donations to Global Action for Children and Doctors Without Borders of $1 million each
-co-chairs the Education Partnership for Children of Conflict
-pledged $5 million to set up a wildlife sanctuary in Cambodia
-became a member of the Council on Foreign Relations
-has adopted a bunch of rugrats
Pick one or the other, sweetie, you can save the world, or you can embrace Ayn Rand. Personally, I'll pass on both.
strike through16 years agoThat's monumentally silly, S.D. "Save the world"? What have you accomplished lately?
Go to the children's table.
She's still a wackaloon, no matter how many famous people with boobs claim they've read Atlas Shrugged.
/note: I found the description of decay in Atlas Shrugged compelling.
I am a spoof. Have your checked your liability, Jesse, vis-a-vis *me*? Why do you allow such things as *me* to happen? Hm? You can't duck this issue forever!
Maybe Pitt meant to say that it couldn't be successfully made into a movie, since the Gary Cooper version sucks.
Before you go all lovey with the Eva Mendes-Rand connection you might want to read the PeTA interview.
Paul,
Eva Mendes is a Miami born American of Cuban heritage. She's not "Mexican".
My favorite, and by far the hottest of all the Hollywood Ayn Rand fans, is Amber Heard. She's been quoted as saying, "I am my own God and worship myself."
"Mother Jones highlights a few "celebrity fans of the cult of selfishness."
I had no idea that Ayn Rand advocated people queuing up with their hands extended, waiting for the state to drop into them what little sustenance others have managed to eke out by dint of their labors.
They honestly seem oblivious to the profound selfishness of that level of parasitism.
She's a 5-Percenter?
Well, It is a good thing then that Libertarians are not anarchists. And yes, when Ayn Rand was approached years ago that was her complaint. But the Party/philosophy was never about anarchy (even with Rothbard in the mix). Anarchists, and only a small number of them, are only along for the ride. By definition Libertarians want government...only a crap load less than we have now.
Only time will tell
Isn't an Atlas movie pretty much predestined to be one of the biggest flops of all time?
No. Terrible box office, excellent DVD sales.
Ah, sweet Ayn.
Tony, you're confusing her with that Marx fellow.
Who, Groucho? I love his movies.
Subcomandante Dave | August 6, 2009, 8:12am | #
Rand was not specifically against any of that, except maybe most of what the UN does with public money it gets from its member states.
She condemned altruism and self-sacrifice and subservience to others' demands. She was not opposed to compassion and charity give freely and voluntarily and in pursuit of ones own values.
And trying to make the world a better place is only wrong if it involves using force. Nothing on that list suggests that A Joli is using any coercion.
Wealthy, self-absorbed douchebags dig Ayn Rand. News at 11.
I took three sincere runs at Atlas Shrugged in my life -- the third time was the charm. I was finally able to get past the first hundred pages -- which I had found, until then, to be unremittingly boring and impenetrable -- in my mid-30s, during a sabbatical from work. The story seemed a lot more interesting after the first hundred pages or so, and I ultimately counted A.S. as one of my favorite books, but with an asterisk.
I will need a whole broiler, two tubs of lite whip cream, two cans of arousal whip cream, a goat, handcuffs, some cream cheese, a spool of thread, a case of red bull, two silk neckties, and one spatula.
And if he did mean "aerosol," that could be the greatest incidence of RC'z Law ever.
That would definitely go on the short list.
I think that A.S. could be successfully and faithfully "reimagined" into the future by supposing the following:
* On the political scene, the establishment left and right are finally seen as the frauds they are, and abandoned by the majority. In the place of the old, corrupt order, a new populist-flavored libertarianism, which is environmentally conscious (but pragmatic and not envriofascist), ascends, clearing the way and setting the stage for a cultural, political, and economic renaissance, of sorts.
* During this period, some far-sighted entrepreneurs, seeing to fill the economic niche left by the collapsing auto-industry, recognize the value of Personal Rapid Transit technology and manage to build numerous privately owned-and-operated local transit networks, which they then interconnect with higher-speed intercity lines, to create a cost-effective and efficient, automated national transport network without the need for State support or intervention (this would be the long struggle of the builders that would create the milieu, and influence the mindset, of the protagonists and which, for example, would serve as the motivation for creating Rearden Metal).
* You can't keep a good statist down, however, so after the burst of economic revitalization and creative innovation, decay begins to set in and statism, like rust, begins to encroach again, and we start moving toward the kind of economic-political watershed that we just saw (and are still experiencing) in our own lives. This point would correspond to the opening scenes of Rand's novel.
This future would probably be 20-40 years after our own time, which would give enough opportunity for our present regime to implode, the transport system to be constructed and to become an American institution, and the process of social and political rust to begin again.
Under the above circumstances, A.S. could be an excellent science fiction miniseries (of six-hours or more in length -- don't make it a movie, as too much would need to be cut!) that could be otherwise (and in general plot, characterization and spirit) extremely faithful to the book. Indeed, setting it in the future makes the focus on rail travel and the establishment of the cloaking technology used in Galt's Gulch all the more plausible, not to mention Villers' tragic techno-frustration near the story's end. Produce the reimagined A.S. as a "comic book" movie -- think Dark Knight, Watchmen, and XMen for example, in which characters are typically expressed with broad strokes and audiences love them -- and you'd have an epic that equaled or surpassed any of those earlier works.
If you really wanted to tempt fate (in terms of creating an A.S. movie that was faithful to Rand), get Joss Whedon to produce, write, and/or direct. Even if his politics aren't especially Libertarian and his philosophy isn't especially Objectivist, I've seen a lot in his work that suggests he can and does understand these things and can treat them fairly -- even favorably -- in a screenplay. He and his team have famous insights into kick-ass heroines and female inter-relationships in general, useful for getting Dagny right, and he knows how to do SF that is decidedly, but only slightly, removed from our own time. His understanding of the persistence and resurgence of old styles and tropes with the passage of time and the growth, decay, and rebirth of societies (demonstrated in Firefly/Serenity), could also be worthwhile in this production.
How would making Dagny a believable female character be faithful to Rand?
# Tony | August 6, 2009, 5:15pm | #
# How would making Dagny a believable female
# character be faithful to Rand?
To whom are you addressing your comment? I certainly don't require her to be "believable," any more than, for instance, I expect Whedon's Buffy, Cordelia, Zoe, or Echo/Caroline to be believable, but only relatable as human beings in the sense that they can entertain and inspire in their heroic roles. Getting Dagny right means that we see and believe in her caliber of person, and that such a person would act and speak as she does (including making all-too-human mistakes, but then recovering from them) -- not that we necessarily believe that any such person could or does exist.
In Rand's use of characters and a plot, instead of a simple lecture (which many say Galt's long broadcast speech is, anyway), is implicit her recognition that people learn from and are entertained by stories about people dealing with situations that, in the aggregate, have some level of plausibility, when compared against the reader's understanding of the universe. Even if her characters were deliberate archetypes, Rand clearly wanted readers to try each one out for size, whether or not the character was likable or did admirable things. Being faithful to Rand at one level means treating the characters as adventure comic-book sketches. But being faithful to Rand at a deeper level means being in service to her and her work, by making it more possible -- within the confines of plot and explicitly established characterization, of course -- for people to slip those characters on and imagine living in their skins for a few moments. What makes the characters believable is not that the things they do and say would be things that the viewer/reader would do and say in those same roles and situations, but that they are things that, while perhaps ideally good or perfectly bad, the audience COULD see themselves (or people that they have met) doing or saying. Whedon, as just one example, is pretty good at making people feel that way about the characters in his shows, which is a reason he came to my mind in this discussion.
If characters always had to be "believable," animated cartoons would have to be much different than they are (and than they historically have been), in order to find audiences. That said, perhaps A.S. should be a cartoon series, to be most "faithful" to Rand. But if it is to be a live-action feature or series, then I think it can be even more "faithful" to her by adapting properly to the medium, making sure to flesh out enough dimensions of the characters, as to pique and maintain the interest of viewers who would easily watch a cartoon instead, if that is what they wanted to see.
Fair enough. I am much less opposed to the ideas of Libertarianism and Objectivism than I might appear at times but I tend to take a much more critical look those ideas than most. Having read alot of her work I think she has some very good, valid ideas but the philosophy tends to fail at the larger levels ("Anthem" should be required reading at any art school though!)
How would making Dagny a believable female character be faithful to Rand?
Leftists always find the idea of an industrialist who isn't evil unbelievable.
They also think the Soviet Union collapsed due to bad luck, and that Obama farts rainbows.
I like the Eva Mendes Look , In 2007, she was ranked #7 on Maxim's Hot 100 list. She also modeled nude in Flaunt magazine in 2007 (no breasts were shown, but it did show her naked back and buttocks). However, she did pose and show her breasts in a picture in Vogue Italy